From Pam Bondi to Planet X

Summary

The Rob Carson Show — Episode Summary Episode: From Pam Bondi to Planet X | April 2, 2026 | Newsmax Podcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Rob Carson Show serves up Rob Carson’s signature blend of political insight, humor, and pointed commentary, delving into breaking political news, frustration with government corruption and lack of accountability, the controversy around birthright citizenship, and even a detour into government secrecy around UFOs and extraterrestrials. With guest appearances including legal analysts, commentators, and politicians, the episode is a rapid-fire journey through conservative perspectives on recent events.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Political Shakeups: Pam Bondi & Kristi Noem Exit (01:18–04:47)

• Pam Bondi and Kristi Noem both recently exited significant roles tied to the Trump administration in the span of a week.

  • Carson and guests describe internal Trump-world politics and Bondi’s departure, with Todd Blanche poised to take a key legal role.
  • Rob expresses long-standing frustration at the lack of high-level prosecutions for politicians’ wrongdoing.

  Notable Quote:

  “We need to start seeing some damn perp walks and some people spending the rest of their damn lives in jail for corruption, for abuses and usurpations.”
  — Rob Carson, [03:10]

• The segment blends personal anecdotes, listener reactions, and irreverent humor regarding Kristi Noem’s family rumors.

2. Crime, Immigration, and Political Policies (06:01–14:07)

• Guest Nick Minoc reports on a string of violent crimes in Fairfax County, VA, involving illegal immigrants.

  • Carson decries policies under Governor Abigail Spamberger, criticizing "sanctuary" practices, new gun restrictions, and tax increases.

• Cites examples from Illinois and elsewhere: tragic crimes allegedly committed by illegal immigrants and the perceived lack of preventive action.

• Heavy criticism of Democrats for supporting lenient immigration policies, opposing voter ID, and allegedly enabling electoral manipulation.

  Notable Quotes:

  “Democrat Party cares more about illegals than they do you and me.”
  — Rob Carson, [07:33]

  “On the one hand, they’ve defunded the Department of Homeland Security for the stated purpose of stopping the President from carrying out the immigration agenda… At the same time, they’re fighting against the Save America Act. Yeah, because they want those very same illegal aliens to be voting in American elections.”
  — Brandon Gill, [08:43]

3. Voter Integrity and Election Fraud Allegations (09:31–14:21)

• Carson and guests claim that Democrats are weaponizing immigration to control elections and ignore evidence of voter fraud.

• Anecdotes about illegal voters and a voter fraud case in California are cited.

• Poll statistics referenced to argue that most Americans, including many Democrats, believe current policies are destructive.

  Notable Quote:

  “You’ll have some Democrat on TV who will say, ‘Illegal immigrants voting in our elections is very rare.’ Well, number one, how about we put it to zero?”
  — Political Commentator (J.D. Vance), [10:57]

4. The January 6th Narrative in Education (14:21–14:54)

• Commentary on Virginia’s proposed education mandates that label January 6th as an “insurrection” despite no federal convictions on that charge.

• Carson and guest denounce this as Soviet-style propaganda and express concern for the politicization of history in schools.

  Notable Quote:

  "If something can’t be proven in a courtroom, why is it being required in a classroom?"
  — Political Commentator, [14:54]

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Memorable Moments

• Human Decency Amidst Chaos (16:09–17:04):
  • A mom in Baltimore returns stolen money on behalf of her struggling son, prompting a rare, heartfelt pause.
  • “My son wasn’t raised like that… I want to pay you back because you don’t deserve to be stolen from.”
    — The Mother to Shop Owner, [16:34]
  • Carson calls it "just beautiful," providing a moment of humility in an otherwise intense episode.

5. From DC Drama to Outer Space: UFOs & Hybrid Disclosure (17:04–20:24)

• Matt Gaetz claims he was briefed by a uniformed Army officer about hybrid breeding programs involving “captured aliens,” shocking both listeners and co-hosts.

• Tim Burchett echoes the seriousness and secrecy around UFO disclosure, hinting at earth-shattering revelations that would “set the earth off.”

  • Both offer cryptic statements about government cover-ups and the need for public disclosure.

  Notable Quotes:

  “If they would release the things I’ve seen, you’d be up at night worrying about or thinking about this stuff. We just need to disclose it all. I’m sick of it.”
  — Rep. Tim Burchett, [18:28]

  “And for the record, I'm not suicidal and I don't take a risk.”
  — Rep. Tim Burchett, [19:28]

6. Deep Dive: Supreme Court and Birthright Citizenship (22:54–32:14)

• Rob Carson and Legal Expert Doug Burns break down the Supreme Court’s deliberations on birthright citizenship, particularly regarding the children of illegal immigrants.

  • Justice Clarence Thomas questions whether the 14th Amendment even applies to illegal immigrants, challenging liberal interpretations.
  • Historic context: 14th Amendment was intended to secure citizenship for former slaves, not immigrants.
  • Burns believes that Congress, not the executive branch, should clarify the law and that the Supreme Court will likely “punt” to Congress, possibly enabling the exclusion of children of illegal immigrants via new law.

  Notable Quotes:

  "That content or that exchange strongly supports us… That’s a poster for the argument… in favor of eradicating birthright citizenship."
  — Legal Expert, [27:36]

  “So let me explain. The children born here of two foreign diplomats are not, repeat, not U.S. citizens... The children of people who are here in an invasion against the United States, not citizens. And all of that is in federal law.”
  — Legal Expert, [28:24]

  “There are vehicles and avenues… under United States federal law that the offspring of two people who broke the law to come here are not citizens, that’s a victory.”
  — Rob Carson, [32:14]

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Other Major Segments

7. Epstein, Political Accountability, and Recent DOJ Staffing Fluctuations (35:49–38:58)

• Pam Bondi’s ouster possibly tied to the Epstein controversy and her lack of prosecutions of high-profile targets.

  • Doug Burns and Carson lament the lack of consequences for political and bureaucratic corruption.
  • Burns reiterates skepticism about Epstein’s “suicide.”
    • “I don’t believe he killed himself, Rob.”
      — Doug Burns, [37:16]

• Staff changes: Lee Zeldin and Todd Blanche discussed as possible interim AG choices.

8. Satirical Break and Return to Roots (39:47–40:51)

• Carson praises Glenn Beck’s return to original musical satire with a skit about Eric Swalwell and Fang Fang — “Bang Bang Fang Fang.”
  • “That’s just brilliant stuff. I’m so glad that Glenn came back to satire…” — Rob Carson, [40:51]

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Timestamps For Key Segments

| Segment | Time | |---------------------------------------------|------------------| | Pam Bondi / Kristi Noem shakeups | 01:18–04:47 | | Illegal immigrant violent crime reports | 06:01–09:31 | | Voter fraud, open borders debate | 09:31–14:21 | | January 6th “insurrection” in schools | 14:21–14:54 | | Mother repays shop after son’s theft | 16:09–17:04 | | UFO/alien hybrid program discussion | 17:16–20:24 | | Birthright citizenship Supreme Court debate | 22:54–32:14 | | Epstein, lack of prosecutions, DOJ changes | 35:49–38:58 | | Glenn Beck’s “Bang Bang Fang Fang” satire | 39:47–40:51 |

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Episode Tone & Language

Carson’s delivery oscillates between comedic relief and fiery, impassioned rants. He’s openly skeptical of mainstream narratives, frequently uses hyperbole and sarcasm, and drops in folksy expressions (“I’m not stupid,” “Give me a freaking break”). Guest experts provide legal and factual scaffolding, while entertainment elements (satire, anecdotes) lighten the pace.

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Summary Conclusion

This episode typifies The Rob Carson Show: a whirlwind of anger at establishment corruption, worries about immigration and voter integrity, sharp satirical jabs, and an embrace of both political and cultural hot topics — delivered with an unfiltered, populist edge.

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For further details, specific timestamps above can guide listeners to the segments of greatest interest.

Transcript

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[Legal/Political Analyst]

He likes her and he still wants her in the fold in some way. But he the sense that we've gotten here over the last couple weeks is that something was happening at the top of the Justice Department and for whatever it is that the administration has planned for the next couple months, as long as an acting Attorney General can serve, he felt more comfortable with Todd Blanche being there. And so it's kind of a thanks for your service, Attorney General Bondi, but

[Rob Carson]

don't let the door hit you on the way out. While Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi out in the span of about a week and then of you know, Kristi Noem's husband likes to dress up in women's clothes with large fake breasts. I know, it's just frickin weird. It's just, it's just weird. It's just weird. I was texting my friend Tony Kennett because he's never been a fan of Pam Bondi and he's on the air right now and he said, yeah, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. I don't know what it is. I mean we have waited a very long time. We suffered a great deal over the last decade from the left from being censored online to Donald Trump being persecuted for nothing. Tried to throw him jail, tried to take away his, his fortune, tried to take him off the ballot, all of this stuff. And then of course the massive fraud that's happening around the country. And by God, some people have to go to jail. I I and this means politicians are going to have to go to jail. Elon Omar needs to be denaturalized and deported by, by, by. We're sick of this. We're sick of this. You know, when was the last time you saw a politician go to prison? I'm drawing a blank on the guy who had all the gold in his home, who's in prison right now, the Democrat. But honestly, when are people going to start going to jail? When is Nancy Pelosi going to be investigated for insider trading? When are all the members of Congress going to be invested for insider trading? When are they going to be investigated? When is the FBI going to be dismantled for going after Donald Trump and all of the things they did to not only his. His followers, but his associates and whatnot and members of the Republican Party? When are people going to go to jail? When are people going to go to jail for what they did to the January Sixers, putting them in jail for four years without a trial? When are they going to be put in jail? When is Tim Voltz going to be removed from the governor's mansion in handcuffs? Dear God. We're not stupid and we're just tired of this nonsense. So we'll see what happens with Todd Blanche. I like Todd Blanche. You know, I mean, I don't know a lot about, you know, what's going on there. I like Kash Patel. You know, I think Cash Patel's doing a pretty good job. But we need to start seeing some damn perp walks and some people spending the rest of their damn lives in jail for corruption, for abuses and usurpations. The people who censored our speech. You know, I mean, honestly, we're just done. We're done with it. We waited a very long time. We went through a hell of a lot during the four years that Joe Biden was president. We went through a hell of a lot during Joe, you know, when Covid was here and our schools were shut down. When is somebody going to be held accountable for Covid? When is somebody being held accountable for, you know, not telling us the truth about it? When are people going to go to jail for opening our southern border and hundreds of thousands of children and women being trafficked for sex and work? And when are some people going to jail for opening the southern border to fentanyl, which killed 100,000 plus people per year in America?

1.

When are they going to go to jail? It's going to have to happen. Tired of this nonsense. All right, there you go. I've said enough. I've said enough. Then there are other things that I, that I want to get to this hour in the show. We're going to talk about the birthright citizenship case closer to the hour. I wanted to save it for Doug Burns. Doug Burns is my go to on things like this and he's absolutely outstanding. So I want to, I want to get to that very shortly on the show. This was Nick Minoc, by the way. He is of Northern Virginia. Well, he's with us at this TV station called ABC7. And right now there's a governor in the state of Virginia who is a wretched harpy from hell who lied about who she was to become the governor. She has ushered in a communist Marxist regime that is bringing up even though the state has a budget surplus, $2.3 billion, 70 new tax hikes, all sorts of restrictions on gun ownership that are unconstitutional and then of making it so local authorities cannot work with ICE agents. And under her tenure now three illegal aliens who should not be in the country have committed murder.

[Nick Minoc]

Hey, it's Nick Minoc with seven news sharing another sad story. Out of Fairfax County, Virginia, yet another illegal immigrant was arrested for murdering someone. This man is accused of murdering his three month old daughter. Police in Fairfax county have charged the this man with second degree murder and felony child abuse. My law enforcement sources tell me this man is in the country illegally. This is the third murder in recent weeks in Fairfax county by illegal immigrants. You might recall reporting from Monday the man accused of repeatedly stabbing a man with a machete on Sunday and killed that man is in the country illegally. And weeks ago an illegal immigrant named Abdul Jalo allegedly killed a single mother at a bus stop in Fairfax County. Was Stephanie mentor and mentor's family has called on Fairfax County Commonwealth's Attorney Steve Descano, Sheriff Stacy Kincaid, Governor Abigail Spamberger and Fairfax County Chair Jeff McKay to do more to keep residents in Fairfax County.

[Rob Carson]

41 year old mother gutted at the bus stop by a man who had been arrested 40 times. Fairfax Police had told the county attorney you've got to put this guy in jail. You've got to get him off the street. And what did he do? Shame on you. My God. I mean my God. Sixteen year old girl done killed. Killed in Chicago. Police won't revealing information about a person of interest amid reports he is a Hispanic male beautiful 16 year old girl gunned down in Glenview, Illinois on Saturday morning. Lily Boba, high school sophomore was totally shot, fatally shot I should say at an apartment complex where she lived with her older sister. This on the heels of the Loyola student who was murdered by an illegal In Chicago just so bloody done with this nonsense. Aren't you just tired of the left running roughshod over our country doing what they're doing? And then, of course, you know, they want illegals to have IDs. The Democrat Party cares more about illegals than they do you and me. That's true. That's all there is. They know to expect Democrat votes no matter what they do. Democrats will vote slavishly for Democrats even though they want a voter ID. And 100% of Democrats on Capitol Hill don't want voter ID, even though 70% of Democrats do. 95% of Democrats don't want boys becoming girls to compete in girls sports. 100% of Democrats on Capitol Hill want it. So they know you Democrats are going to vote for them. They just need the illegals to put them over the top and win the elections. Here's Brandon Gill talking about that really

[Brandon Gill]

clear what the Democrats are doing right now, because they're doing two things at the same time. On the one hand, they've defunded the Department of Homeland Security for the stated purpose of stopping the President from carrying out the immigration agenda that he was elected to do, which is to deport illegal aliens. At the same time, they're fighting against the Save America Act. Yeah, because they want those very same illegal aliens to be voting in American elections.

[Rob Carson]

They do.

[Brandon Gill]

I don't know what other logical conclusion we can draw from the past couple months of Democrat idiocy other than that they want to systematically weaponize mass migration, to flood our communities with illegal aliens in order to rig American elections 100%.

[Rob Carson]

It's that easy. I mean, duh, you know. And you know why I know that? Because I'm not stupid. That was one of the expressions I came up with, you know, around 2020. I said, you know the reason why I know that a paper mask is going to stop the COVID virus? Because I'm not stupid. You know why I know that standing six feet away from somebody versus five feet away isn't going to keep me from getting the COVID virus? Because I'm not stupid. You know why I know Joe Biden had dementia? Because I'm not stupid. You know why I knew. I knew that Russia collusion was a hoax? Because I'm not stupid. You know why I knew Hunter Biden's laptop was, was, was real? Because I'm not stupid, Honestly. And, and it's just a shame we don't have a, you know, journalism in this country that has enough journalistic curiosity to pursue the Biggest stories you've ever seen, ever, ever, ever seen. But they're so devoted to their orthodoxy that they will forsake journalism. Why do you even become a journalism is journalist? All you're going to do is just take the propaganda that you're fed as pablum. I mean, honestly, what. Why are you a journalist? What's. You don't have integrity. Why is Jake Tapper still a journalist for not having the. The.

[Nick Minoc]

The.

[Rob Carson]

It wasn't even. It was just avoidance. It was just covering up Joe Biden's dementia until it was so obvious it couldn't be covered up anymore. It's just ridiculous. This is JD Vance talking about voter fraud in this country. The Democrats say isn't happening.

[Political Commentator]

You'll have some Democrat on TV who will say, well, we don't have to worry about that because illegal immigrants voting in our elections is very rare. Well, number one, how about we put it to zero?

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Political Commentator]

Okay. Even if you're right.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Political Commentator]

Number two, you're not right. It happens way more often than a lot of people appreciate. In fact, just this week, ICE arrested an illegal immigrant. I'm going to read this because I want to make sure I get it right.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Political Commentator]

An illegal immigrant from Mauritania who's voted in seven federal elections since 2008. And I haven't got good authority that at every single election he voted for Don Davis. No, I don't know about that.

[Rob Carson]

I don't know where he voted. There. It's happening all over the place. California voter fraudster sentenced after investigation found 71 voter names registered to his address. Former Lodi Councilman Shakir Khan was sentenced Monday to three years in county jail after election integrity advocate and database error. Sheriffs discovered 41 sealed and completed mail and ballots when searching his home. And Maloney discovered 71 names registered to consent address. This is happening all over the country. Benny, John, expose It In California, 100 names to a parking lot with an outhouse. I mean, it's happening, it's happening. But in California, they don't investigate it. They do not investigate voter fraud. It is state policy not to investigate voter fraud. And it's happening and it's happening and it's happening. So please, please. And by the way, majority of Republicans and Democrats and swing voters agree the Democrat Party wants open voters. According to a poll of 2,009 registered voters by Harvard Harris, 51% of Democrats, 63 of Republicans, 52% of independents and others agree the Democrat Party wants open borders with the rest of the world. They want to destroy the country. This is why they're doing a death spiral into hell. And we're going to win. We're going to win this. You have to have faith. You have to have faith, and you got to have a warrior ethos, and you've got to overwhelm them with faith, with joy, and with patriotism. Let Donald Trump handle the butt kicking. All right. That's what we got to do. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson show. This fall, you're invited to experience Washington, D.C. in a truly unforgettable way with me, Rob Carson, and other Newsmax listeners. Imagine strolling through our nation's capital as America celebrates 250 years and seeing history come alive with an expert guide. Together, we'll tour the White House Visitor center, step into the halls of democracy with a guided tour of the U.S. capitol building, visit Arlington National Cemetery and the Changing of the Guard, stand in awe before the towering figure of President Abraham Lincoln, and take in the beauty of DC's legendary memorials with a special nighttime illumination tour. Our adventure includes premium hotel accommodations for four nights in the heart of D.C. in addition to six meals, ground transportation, guides, and gratuities. Space is limited, so don't wait. Visit travelwithrob.net to book your DC getaway today or give our friends at Cruise and Tour a call at 800-383-3131. That's 800-383-3131 or travelwithrob.net

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[Satirist/Song Performer]

No, no.

[Rob Carson]

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

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[Political Commentator]

So let me get this straight. For January 6th, not a single person was charged or convicted under the federal crime of insurrection. Not one. But now Virginia's House Bill 333 wants teachers to stand in front of kids and present it as an insurrection, like it's an unquestionable fact. Hello? So in court, where facts actually matter, they didn't use that charge. But in classrooms where kids are learning how to think now, it's mandatory language. Make that make sense. Because if something can't be proven in a courtroom, why is it being required in a classroom?

[Rob Carson]

It's propaganda. It's Soviet. It's Soviet. That's what's happening in the state of Virginia. And if this isn't turned around, I'm going to move. I'm gonna move out of the state. I, I really hate it. I, I chose Virginia over Maryland because Maryland's just awful. Just, I mean, awful. Fortunately, the governor of Maryland is now underwater polling. Maryland is beyond crooked corrupt. I'm looking for Nick Shirley to go to Maryland. I'm sure he's going to find all sorts of ungodly corruption, voter fraud, the whole deal, the same stuff that's going on around the country. But it's come to Virginia and that they're going to teach in the schools, force teachers to say January 6th was an insurrection, even though Newsweek itself and the FBI said it was not an insurrection. There was no insurrection. It is utterly disgusting and filthy and foul, and I would pull my kid out of the damn schools, honestly. And they're losing a lot of students in places like Fairfax county with this WOKE nonsense and now pure propaganda. It's unbelievable. Here's some good news. This is a mom in Baltimore. Her son is a drinking problem. Her son's 30 years old. She goes back to this place where her son was drunk and stole the tip jar, and she put her son in treatment, and she went to the shop owner and did this.

[Shop Owner]

A little while ago, a young man came to your stand.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I'm his mother.

[Satirist/Song Performer]

Oh.

[Shop Owner]

How much did he take from you?

Like something. I couldn't pay attention. Like, 23rd.

What do you think he took from you?

I see. I see the first. I couldn't see the second is.

How much do you think he took from me?

About 30. But you don't need to pay.

No, I'm gonna pay.

[Rob Carson]

Wow.

[Shop Owner]

Because my son wasn't raised like that.

Why he is doing that, I don't. I don't want to ask, but.

No, no, listen to me. My son wasn't raised like that. My son drinks, and when he drinks, he does stupid stuff. I want to pay you back because you don't deserve to be stolen from.

[Rob Carson]

I love it. That's just beautiful. That's just beautiful. I'm sorry for her. With her son's behavior, it must be very difficult. Must be very difficult.

All right.

I promise, you're going to talk about Matt Gates. Matt Gaetz was on with Benny Johnson, says that the United States. It's like Alex Jones kind of stuff. Breathing humans with space, aliens, which explains Rose Delaro.

[Matt Gaetz]

I think the most important information will be the biologics and Adam Schiff that are not human, that have been discovered. And, like, even some of the briefings that aren't classified just. Just need to be out in the public. I mean, I had someone come and brief me who was in a military uniform, worked for the United States army that was briefing me on the locations of hybrid breeding Programs where captured aliens were breeding with humans to create some hybrid race that could engage in intergalactic communication. An actual uniformed member of the United States Army. Brief me on that.

[Rob Carson]

What? Here's Tim Burchett talking to Rob Finnery last night on Newsmax.

[Nick Minoc]

I don't have the tinfoil hat on just yet, Congressman, but I'm wondering, you know, kind of how you react to that.

[Rob Carson]

You better sit down for this, as you are connected.

[Nick Minoc]

You're on the UFO Subcommittee. I mean, I'm just wondering what you make of that. Have you heard anything like that?

[Tim Burchett]

Well, I'm still a member of Congress, so I can't really comment too much on what Matt said.

[Rob Carson]

Okay.

[Tim Burchett]

But I will say this.

[Nick Minoc]

Wait, Seriously? Are you being serious?

[Tim Burchett]

I'm being 100% serious. I've been 100% serious. I've been briefed by just about every Alphabet agency there is. And I'll just tell you this. If they would release the things that I've seen, you would stay up. You'd be up at night worrying about or thinking about this stuff. We just need to disclose it all. I'm sick of it.

[Rob Carson]

What?

[Tim Burchett]

Oh, well, I was. I was.

[Rob Carson]

Kennedy is without. Does it have any words?

[Tim Burchett]

I'll just tell you this. I was brief last week on an issue or. Excuse me, two weeks ago, and it would have set the earth off. This. This country would have come unglued. I think they would have heard all that I heard.

[Rob Carson]

Are you kidding me?

[Tim Burchett]

Demand answers. And they knew we need to. But, you know, it's. It's never going to get. Unfortunately, it just keeps getting covered up and covered up, and the people that know are dying or disappearing, as the case may be.

[Rob Carson]

Wow.

[Tim Burchett]

And. And for the record, I'm not suicidal and I don't take a risk.

[Rob Carson]

What? What?

[Nick Minoc]

I'm glad you said that. I'm speechless. Congressman, we should be back.

[Tim Burchett]

You should be. And I told the President, release it all. And the problem is the people that are around the President don't know the. And the President doesn't know the questions to ask. A few of us are going to have to get with the President and tell him what he needs to ask and where he needs to look. I mean, you know, we're. We're in meetings, and they have addresses and tell locations of items. I'll just say, and the public has a right to know. Dadgum. And it's your tax dollars.

[Nick Minoc]

Absolutely.

[Rob Carson]

I don't even know what to say. You ever see National Treasure? The second one when they went into the library of Congress. And there was the book. I wonder if it's there. The Book of Secrets. Alex Jones was right.

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Clarence

[Legal Expert]

Thomas, actually, he threw a wrench in everything and made, I think, the most salient point that I hadn't even thought of, which is, does the 14th Amendment even apply at all to illegal immigration?

[Rob Carson]

How much of the debates around the 14th Amendment had anything to do with immigration?

[Legal Expert]

This is why I love Clarence Thomas, because he always, without fail, interprets the Constitution with the intent as it was written at the time. And I was like, when he said that, I was like, wow.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Legal Expert]

How many people were illegally immigrating to the United States after the Civil War? And John Sauerkraut had potentially the best answer of the day regarding this issue.

There is a general principle that's a broad principle that's adopted the phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And we submit that our theory of allegiance and domicile based allegiance, what explains those specific exceptions that everybody was aware of? But it is broad enough to sweep in future situations. And as you pointed out, illegal immigration did not exist then. Now the problem of temporary visitors did exist. And it's very interesting that as you look at pages 26 and 28 of our brief, commentators going from, you know, 1881 until 1922 are uniformly saying the children of temporary visitors are not included.

[Rob Carson]

Okay, so we got a lot to unpack, and there's nobody who I would rather unpack them with than Doug Burns, former federal prosecutor. Doug, welcome to the show, man. How are you today?

Good, thanks.

So I see this piece from Amy how Supreme Court appears likely to side against Trump on birthright citizenship. What do you think about this? I mean, it's obvious it's terribly destructive the country. We've got countries like China who are taking advantage of it to our destruction. Doug, what do you think about this?

Yeah, classic case of unintended consequences developing. So first let me move away from the offspring of two people who entered illegally and talk about this business of, you know, people flying into the US Having a child in the US For a couple of days and then leaving. And the child's a US Citizen, apparently. And I only heard this, I haven't confirmed it myself, but there are hundreds of companies, Rob, that are engaged in exactly that. And that came up yesterday. But that's not the main focus. The main focus, obviously, is this question of the offspring of two people who are here illegally in violation of law. Now, there's no debate whatsoever that when the 14th Amendment was put in after the Civil War, 1868, it was because of the horrific Dred Scott decision which held that African Americans were not citizens of the United States. Shockingly, you know, it's regarded, not surprisingly, as one of the, if not the worst Supreme Court opinions. And so they put that in to make sure that the children of slaves and African Americans were citizens. It had nothing, zero to do with this question that we face today. But what I find to be the irony of. Irony of ironies, and I think you'll like this, is that you know the great Justice Antonin Scalia, he believes in textualism. You just looked at the words and he was ripped for decades by everybody, all the elite academic eggheads. Oh, no, you have to look at the context, the background. Now, when it suits them, their position is, oh, look at the words. And that's it. All of the sudden they're big. Anthony Scalia decided. It's just breathtaking. Right?

Unbelievable. This is a quote from Ketanji Brown Jackson apparently trying to make a point and having it back for. I'd love to hear you dissect it after I play it.

[Ketanji Brown Jackson]

What do we do with. I mean, that's a debate and it's a discussion. Very valid. But then we have a subsequent debate between Fessenden and Wade where the same concept comes up and it becomes clear, at least from Senator Wade's perspective, that that's wrong. So Senate Fessenden and I'm not sure whether these are senators, I apologize. Suppose a person is born here of parents from abroad, temporarily in this country. Wade responds, the Senator says a person may be born here and not be a citizen. I know that is so in one instance, in the case of the children of foreign ministers who reside near the United States, etc. Etc. So it appears as though in that exchange, at least, Senator Wade believed that the English common law understanding of what it means to have allegiance, to be a temporary person on the soil was what was being adopted.

[Legal Expert]

Yeah. That content or that exchange strongly supports us. If you look at it in context. Senator Wade has introduced a version of that says only birth on US Soil.

[Rob Carson]

There you go. That is the sour basically saying that. Well, you just made my point there. Ketanji Brown Jackson, go ahead.

He read my mind because I was going to say that that is a. That's a poster for the argument that could be made in favor of eradicating birthright citizenship. First of all, I think your vast audience will find it very interesting to debunk some stuff that you see on liberal media where they turn around. If you're born here, you're a citizen. That's it. That's Completely wrong. Incorrect. So let me explain. The children born here of two foreign diplomats are not, repeat, not U.S. citizens.

Yes.

The children of people who are here in an invasion against the United States, not citizens. And all of that is in federal law. So the point is, the most important thing that was discussed yesterday, and you've already sort of tangentially touched on it, is, you know, can federal law now be expanded with this children of diplomats point, children of invaders point? Can it be expanded to include children of two people who entered illegally? My answer is yes, it can.

Well, of course,

do that easily. All right. And so I thought it was very interesting and somewhat disingenuous when the lawyer, you know, for birthright citizenship, arguing for Birthright, said the 14th Amendment, it's clear that it's exclusive and there can't be any further exceptions. I totally disagree with that 100%.

How do you suppose the Supreme Court is leaning? It sounded like Clarence Thomas made some brilliant points yesterday, but I'm seeing a few legal experts who feel like Donald Trump's executive order is going to be overturned. What are you, what is your gut telling you?

Yeah, well, it's apples and oranges. There's two different discussions under my analysis. So, first of all, I don't think, believe it or not, that the executive order is the way to do it. I just said a minute ago that Congress would be the vehicle to do it. So I think that the court is going to say a little crystal ball stuff that the executive order wasn't the way to go, but they're not going to be that negative. They're going to turn around and, and I think you've used the word punt, you know, the football analogy many, many times in our discussions. And I think they are going to punt the football down the field a little bit and make it sound as though I'm hoping that they're going to say Congress can clearly add to federal law that the offspring of two illegal aliens are not citizens. And that'll be phenomenal if that happens, because that will also essentially stand for the proposition that it's perfectly okay to say that the offspring of two people who broke the law to come here, you know, it's perfectly viable to pass laws that say they're not citizens, and

that would be okay. So it's essentially the same thing that happened with the tariff thing.

Exactly. No, no, it's the same exact thing, and you're spot on. But the point is, I do not think, you know, a little doom and gloom. I don't think they're going to say, you know, we specifically hold now that the offspring of two people who broke the law to come here are not citizens. They're just not going to do that because they don't need to reach that. The other point real quick is that that Wong Kim Ark case that everybody throws around, I read that quite a while ago, haven't studied it that closely recently, but I never felt that it really was squarely on point, as lawyers say, and that it stood for any great proposition about birthright citizenship per se. In that case, real quick, without getting in the weeds, the individual was born here to Chinese nationals who were living in San Francisco and then they went back to China and when he tried to reenter the U.S. there was a controversy about it. But again, I don't think the Supreme Court's so wedded to that Wong Kimmar case. But again, broken record. I think they're going to turn around and say that the 14th Amendment does allow for further congressional action on this and that's exactly where it should be done.

Yeah. And of course, and of course Democrats in Congress will say no, of course,

no, no, no, it's going to be, it's not, not any guarantee whatsoever that it will happen. But at the same time, you know, for the Supreme Court of the United States to say, hey, there are vehicles and avenues and mechanisms under which it can be declared under United States federal law that the offspring of two people who broke the law to come here are not citizens, that's a victory again.

All right, let's take a break and come back more with Doug Burns on the other side of the break. This is the Rob Carson Show. Hey guys, it's Carson. I just got a ghost bed. Yeah, pay attention here because I've been sleeping on a foam mattress since I moved to the Washington, D.C. area, which is like sleeping on the sponge in your sink. Ghostbed doesn't build mattresses like furniture. They build engineered sleep systems. Their beds are serious health equipment. Beds designed for and recovery, not looks, not fluff. Your body should be healing while you sleep, not fighting for comfort. I have been sleeping past seven in the morning on my ghostbed. It's unbelievable. If you wake up stiff, you toss and turn. If you sleep hot, even reaching for a pain reliever before bed, hoping tonight will be different. That's not aging, it's your mattress talking. Another great thing I love about Ghostbed, you get 101 nights to try it at home. If you don't like the difference, you can send it back risk free. Ghostbed is offering My audience, their lowest prices of the season plus an extra 10% off. Go to ghostbed.com Carson. Use promo code Carson. That's ghostbed.com Carson. Promo code Carson. You are going to love your new ghostbed.

[Jonathan Turley]

Well, that was the second great question, whether the president could sit absolutely silently as an argument went on that he felt strongly about. So we answered that question. He was able to do that. But it must have been hard at points because I'm sure some of these questions were maddening. The fact is, the policy is maddening. It's perfectly insane. That's why very few countries accept birthright citizenship. And so the difficulty with this case is that it's hard to really justify the policy when you look at what's happening with, you know, in China alone, hundreds of these tourism site, sending people over for the sole purpose of having children here. Only a moronic nation would allow that type of industry to flourish. None of our allies do. In Europe.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. That is Jonathan Turley. I appreciate his opinion. Not as much as I do of Doug Burns. Thank you very much. That's why I waited through the entire show to approach this topic, because I knew you'd have the final word on it. My brother.

I appreciate that. Look, Professor Turrelli very smart. I go to school, you know, off of him many times. Yeah. And he's right, though. And that's why it was interesting. That's why I sort of started with the tourism point, because again, to have hundreds of companies developed and having people just fly in, have the child born here, I mean, it's just crazy.

What about. What about an executive order regarding that? What about an executive order regarding that?

No, you read my mind. My next sentence out of my mouth was, well, wait a minute. To avoid this whole controversy about immigration where everybody's just red in the face, ripping mad, just calmly put something in saying, no more birther tourism.

There you go. 100%. I mean, listen, if you are, and it should be fairly easy to figure out, the reason why your facility exists is not to provide health care, but to facilitate the birth of a child from two foreign nationals to become a citizen of America, you could shut that crap down.

Absolutely. 100%.

Boom.

They really should really clear up that birther thing. But I'll tell you what, not to get melodramatic. It's going to be fascinating for me and you and everybody else to see what this opinion looks like, honestly.

Yeah. Pam Bodi got fired today. The rumor is that she may have tipped Eric Swalwell off to opening an Investigation of him, you know, getting a little chitty chitty fang fang on the side.

Yeah, I heard about that. But I'll say I have my two reasons why she's gone. One, the Epstein thing was just a big, big blunder. You and I have discussed it many times. For them to come out, you know, it was interesting because people have to understand that what happened was, is that they alienated part of Trump's base because, you know, the base did not want to hear he killed himself. That's it. Have a nice day.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's crazy, because there are serious, serious questions. Yes, Immodest. I've read five, count them, five books about Epstein. I know the case pretty well. And the fact of the matter is, you could have major, major league discussions on this question of whether he killed himself. Major forensic scientists, Michael Baden, Cyril Wecht all said that the weight of bones were broken in his neck. Okay. The way the lividity was, and I'm not a physician, all could have easily been more consistent with homicide than suicide. And then also there are a couple of Sherlock Holmes points, which is his bail situation had not been finally resolved, and he would have become Roman Polanski and Mark Rich so fast, your head would have been spinning. In five minutes, he would have been out of here. So. I don't believe he killed himself, Rob.

You know, I know 1,000%. I also don't think. I also think there were people involved in the Butler shooting because nobody lets a man get in the most prone position. Was already on the federal radar who literally was training at the same damn gun range as the Secret Service. Give me a freaking break. But how much? About what? About her lack of indictments? With all of the bull crap that's happened, when are we gonna start seeing some people in government going to damn jail? When are we gonna see Ilhan Omar denaturalized and deported? That's a big deal to me.

Yeah. Had an A and a B. A was Epstein. And then B, of course, was his. Legitimate frustration with the failure to prosecute successfully. Comey, Letitia, James, Shifty Shift, and all of the rest of them. And it's like a football coach, in other words. You know, I've heard some pundits. I haven't been watching liberal media today, truth be told, but I've heard some pundits even on some of the conservative networks saying, you know, that's not really her fault. But I don't buy that, because a football coach gets fired if the team loses.

Well, what do you think about Blanche, what do you think about Zelda?

I like Lee Zeldin. I mean, I don't know him that well. I met him a couple times very early on when he was running for Congress. Went to a very small fundraiser. Like 20, 30 people got a chance to meet and interact with him. I'm told that he's done a good job at the epa. He is streamlining things, keeping things moving. You know, the one knock, I suppose, is he doesn't have a lot of federal criminal law background, but I don't think that's a big impediment. Todd Blanche would actually be good.

I like Blanche, dude. I like Blanche better. I think maybe in the interim, they'll decide to keep him. I hope so. I like Blanche.

I think that would be a smarter move, truth be told, because Tom Blanche knows his way around the federal stuff. Rob.

All right, my brother. I appreciate you so much. I hope you have a blessed Easter holiday, my friend.

I appreciate that. Thank you, Rob. You, too.

All right, God bless you. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. All right. This is pretty funny. Glenn Beck, he used. When he first got on the air, he was. He did a lot of funny on his show. He did a lot of what I do because he comes from a music background, and he's kind of faded away from that. Yesterday, his producers came up with a great piece of original satire. It's not a parody of a song, but he came up with this. It's just really good. I'm gonna play a little bit of. It's called Bang Bang Fang Fang about Eric Swalwell, and it's great.

[Satirist/Song Performer]

Don't bang bang bang bang swal. Don't want the files to drop. Cause he went bang bang with bang bang. Hey, don't bang bang. Hey, don't bang bang bang bang. The case is closed. He screams and shouts but we all know he went bang bang with bang bang.

[Rob Carson]

This is just good.

[Satirist/Song Performer]

He chased Rush a ghost from dawn and sun. Scream collusion louder than anyone else. While Fang Fang bundled checks with that sweet CCCP smile? Just didn't turn close. Stayed for a while on the intel committee Guarding secrets so tight. But his own honey trap Was working overtime at night. Now Cash wants the receipts, the text and the fix Eric's yelling nonsense. While sweaty life breaks. No bang bang.

[Rob Carson]

That's just. That's just brilliant. That's just brilliant. That's an original song. It's not a parody of a song. That's just brilliant stuff. I'm so glad that Glenn came back to satire yesterday. He's really good at it. He and he and, and Stuart, just great at it. That's. I was always, when I want to hear a show, I'm like, he got so serious, you know, and all this. But I have a great resounding respect for the genius of Glenn Beck, 1,000%. He was at the launch of the Artemis yesterday. It was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. Hey, this fall we're doing this trip to dc. I was asked where you want to go with your listeners, and they offered me cruise and travel, said we could go to D.C. you really don't want to go? And I said, oh, hell yes, I want you to come here. So what I would like you to do is investigate this. I just downloaded the brochure. I just went to visit a travel with rob.nettravelwithrob.net and saw the presentation that they've got Cruising Tour. It's freaking world class. I mean, it's like world classes, triple lifetime kind of stuff. It's not too expensive, by the way, but it's, it's just going to be beautiful. It's going to be tours of the White house Visitors Center, U.S. capitol Building, going to go to Arlington, see the Changing of the Guard, going to go to the Lincoln Memorial, going to go to all of the war memorials. We're going to go to the National Mall, the museums. We're going to have unbelievable dinners. Six meals, ground transportation guides. Gratuity space is limited. Don't wait. It's October 25th through the 29th. Five days and four nights. I'm taking the time off to be with you. So this, I can't wait. I really can't wait to see you guys. So travelwithrob.net, you could fly in from around the country. You could drive in, you could take the train down from Philly or from North New Hampshire or, you know, in from Balm or whatever. Just drive in. But Travel with Rob.net TravelWithRob.net is the name of the, is the, is the website you need to go or 8003-8331-3180-0383-3131. This is Easter week. Somebody just texted or said on the, on the chat, the bunny is dead. Jesus is back. God bless the bunny. But Jesus is what it's all about. God bless you. America is founded. Donald Trump is what he's doing for this country. Our soldiers in harm's way. And until tomorrow, which by the grace of God is Good Friday, don't catch the stupid thank you.

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