From Tow Trucks to Tyrants: Someone's Gotta Pay

Summary

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The Rob Carson Show — "From Tow Trucks to Tyrants: Someone's Gotta Pay"

Newsmax Podcasts | July 30, 2026
Host: Rob Carson
Notable Guests: Gordon G. Chang, Jesse Waters, Tommy Tuberville, Jim Gossett

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Episode Overview

In this high-energy episode, Rob Carson delivers his trademark blend of humor, personal storytelling, and political commentary. The show covers a spectrum of topics: Rob’s personal ordeal with his towed car ("Buck"), the economics of the Biden and Trump administrations, and sweeping discussions around COVID-19’s origins—particularly Dr. Anthony Fauci’s controversial role. Heavy focus is placed on U.S.-China relations, with expert Gordon Chang joining for an in-depth segment on bioweapons, the pandemic, and Chinese influence on American media and politics. The episode closes with sharp takes on the reparations debate and left-wing political activism.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

1. Rob’s Car Towing Saga: Humor and Heart

• [03:06 – 09:34]
  • Rob shares a comedic and deeply personal story about his beloved Ford Bronco "Buck" being towed from his apartment over a minor parking infraction.
  • The story is filled with self-deprecating humor and candid observations on personal attachment to vehicles.
  • He uses the ordeal as a launching pad for relatable rants about everyday frustrations.
  • Notable Quote:
    Rob Carson [09:10]: “I have a psychotic connection with anthropomorphizing a vehicle made of metal and plastic and rubber, but by God… Buck’s my only friend!”

2. The U.S. Economy: Growth Rates and Mainstream Media Spin

• [09:34 – 12:56]
  • Rob examines recent GDP numbers, comparing quarterly and annual growth rates.
  • He criticizes mainstream media for negative framing of economic news under Trump.
  • Claims substantially more jobs created under Biden were government positions, with real economic growth happening under conservative policies.
  • Notable Quote:
    Rob Carson [09:46]: “The media is painting it as bad. I did a little research and Obama's economy grew at an annual rate of 2.3%. Overall. Joe Biden's grew at 3%—I’m doubting that Joe Biden… 70% of the jobs created were because of government jobs.”

3. Anthony Fauci, COVID-19, and Accountability

• [13:28 – 20:25]
  • Vigorous criticism of Dr. Fauci for his role in funding gain-of-function research and COVID-19 pandemic management.
  • Soundbites featuring Jesse Waters and Tommy Tuberville accuse Fauci of perjury, corruption, and personal enrichment during the pandemic.
  • Fishered with satire and musical parody from Jim Gossett as “Tony Fauci.”
  • Memorable Quotes:
    • Jesse Waters [15:04]: “We learned Fauci and Birx had a secret meeting to conspire against Trump and trap him into shutting down the economy. We learned Fauci bribed scientists with grant money…”
    • Tommy Tuberville [15:44]: “He should be locked up before he leaves this building today and put in prison and then put on trial in front of the American people.”
    • Rob Carson [16:53]: “He destroyed millions of lives. He bought and paid for the damned virus.”

Musical Parody: “The Fifth Fauci Took”

• [20:26 – 21:34]
  • Jim Gossett lampoons Fauci with a clever, sardonic song, mocking his invocation of the Fifth Amendment and public silence.
    • Sample Lyric:
      Jim Gossett [20:33]: “The fifth Fauci took, I hope he dies, broke, civil suit makes me look like a crook...”

4. Gordon Chang: U.S.-China Tensions, Bioweapons, and Media Manipulation

• [23:40 – 38:50]
  • Gordon Chang provides a comprehensive analysis on:
    • The likely lab origins of COVID-19 and deliberate Chinese obfuscation.
    • U.S. complicity through Fauci’s funding of gain-of-function research at Wuhan.
    • China’s draconian lockdowns vs. the U.S. response; lack of transparency on Chinese casualties.
    • Discovery of secret Chinese biolabs in the U.S. and FBI/governmental lack of action.
    • China’s influence operations in American media, including direct financial incentives for negative reporting on Trump.
      • Notable Quotes:
        • Gordon Chang [23:40]: “The CIA, the FBI, Department of Energy, all believe that this virus came from a lab… and yet we don’t have any admission from the architect… Anthony Fauci.”
        • Rob Carson [31:49]: “In 2021, you had Fauci before Senator Rand Paul, under oath, say that he did not fund gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. That was clearly perjury.”
        • Gordon Chang [36:09]: “We need the President of the United States to declare China an enemy, and then we got to start getting serious and protecting our society.”
    • Discussion of China selling man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS) to Iran, violating promises to Trump and endangering U.S. forces.
      • Chang [37:45]: “Now’s the time to actually impose [tariffs] and to impose other costs on China. Because we're talking about China trying to kill American servicemen.”

5. Reparations, Progressive Politics, and Academic Grievances

• [38:50 – 42:52]
  • Rob lampoons the reparations debate, framing it as an unserious political tactic (“Reparation H”).
  • Criticism of progressive figures and movements as dominated by privileged, over-educated youth with “worthless degrees” and personal debt, seeking government bailouts through socialism.
    • Rob Carson [41:28]: “It’s spoiled entitled children who are over-degreed… and they owe anywhere between $106,000 and $190,000 in student debt… the only way out is to get a government bailout. And you look at socialism as a way to punish those who are successful…”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• [09:10] Rob Carson (about his Bronco): “You have no idea what this vehicle means to me. I’m like, he’s going to be hard to steal because they got this GPS and all this stuff...”
• [21:34] Jim Gossett (parody song): “I broke it, the fifth invoked it… I am guilty, there is not a doubt, it’s clear that I have been caught.”
• [36:09] Gordon Chang (on China/US relations): “We are under assault from the Chinese regime... Every single contact that that regime has with us, they're using it to take down our country.”
• [40:49] Rob Carson (on slavery and reparations): “It's not been exclusively black either… It's been a part of mankind since the beginning of civilization.”

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Segment Timestamps

• Personal Story: The Towed Bronco / “Buck” — [03:06 – 09:34]
• Economy, Media Spin, and “Winning” Jingle — [09:34 – 12:56]
• COVID, Fauci, Media Accountability — [13:28 – 21:34]
• Gordon Chang Interview: COVID Origins, Biolabs, Chinese Influence — [23:40 – 38:50]
• Reparations, Progressive Politics, Student Debt Satire — [38:50 – 42:52]

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Conclusion

This episode typifies Rob Carson’s entertaining, irreverent style—fusing his own life mishaps with sharp, convention-challenging political analysis. The deep-dive with Gordon Chang stands out for its sobering look at pandemic accountability, Chinese influence, and media manipulation. Listeners seeking robust skepticism of government narratives and lively satirical humor will find this episode engaging from start to finish.

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Transcript

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[Guest or Caller]

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[Rob Carson]

live from Newsmax Studios in Washington,

[Jim Gossett]

D.C. the most interesting, informative and funny show in America on air and on

[Rob Carson]

the World Wide Web.

[Jim Gossett]

This is the Rob Carson show, also,

[Rob Carson]

you might say the most physically animated during the broadcast. You can see that on the live stream, by the way, the live stream, which was gigantic, by the way, reaching millions of people every month. It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Jim Gossett]

It's crazy.

[Rob Carson]

And by the way, we post little clips of the show on my social media and Newsmax social media. If you want to check out my social media, go to Rob Carson's show. Tick tock, Instagram, rumble, YouTube, LinkedIn, getter truth social. Your toaster, it's everywhere. It's everywhere. Google my name. I swear to God, I'll show up on your toaster. You'll be like, what the hell is that? And you'll. You'll put the toast in and then they'll pop it and you'll hear my voice. You know what? What's going on? He's taking over the world. So anyway, check it out. And we are in the Newsmax studios now here in the heart of Washington D.C. a stone's throw from the nation's capital if you can throw a stone. About a mile and a half. I get to drive by the Washington Monument every morning. Every single morning. This morning I was a little distracted. I'm going to get into the news of the day in a second here, but. And I'm going to play the winning jingle. You like that? Okay, so the winning jingle is coming. It's your favorite thing. Everybody loves the winning jingle. It's your favorite thing. It's crazy. It's like, what the. What if we, if we auditorium tested it, you guys would love the winning jingle more than Kraft Macaroni and cheese. I mean, it's just crazy how much you like that. I'm going to play in a second. Don't worry about it. But this morning, I almost didn't have the show. Today I almost didn't have the show because you know, you know how I feel about my Bronco Buck.

All right?

It was the first new car that I had in 20 years. I was out of work and, and then I. And then I sold cars for three years and, and I was hoping and praying that Newsmax would offer me a contract. I had not had a new car in 20 years. I was driving a 2006.

[Jim Gossett]

Huh?

[Rob Carson]

No. Toyota minivan. It was like the second minivan that I own. I know, I know, I know, I know. Yeah, that's, you know. So I see the new Bronco coming out and I go to the Ford dealership and I say, I'm. I just had that confidence that something good was going to happen with Newsmax. I was doing my TV show, which is a weekly thing, and then I was doing this Newsmax, the Newsmax daily podcast. All right? And I was waiting for a contract, a full time contract, radio and television with Newsmax. And I decided to roll the dice. And I talked to the Ford dealer and the Ford dealer said, well, you can order one and you don't have to put any money down. And I was like, okay, cool. So I decided to order Buck. And, and the reason why they did is because the vehicle was in such high demand that the dealerships, A lot of times you're only allotted a certain amount of vehicles, but if you have orders from people, then the factory has to send that car to your dealership. And if the person who ordered the car backs out, you can sell it. Well, in this case, they would have preferred me to back out because they could have sold the truck for $15,000 over sticker because that's how hot the car was. So I wait, I wait. I Wait. I wait. I wait. And finally one day I, I drove by every day, the dealership every day, twice for a year to see if Buck was there. And finally one day I drove by the dealership and I drove through the lot, and he. There was like a sun coming down from the clouds. There's this singular beam of light onto Buck. And I walked up to Buck and I saw my name on the sticker. And I went, oh, my God in heaven. And I went home. You know what I got then? I got an email from Newsmax saying I got a contract that day that said, truck is very near and dear to me. He's my boy. I put a 5000 watt sound system in him. He's my boy. So I go out to the parking garage this morning and I look where Buck was supposed to be parked, and I saw nothing. And I began to kind of freak a little bit because there was one time I accidentally parked on the floor before because they all look alike. And then the next day, forgot about it. And so I had to go down. So I go ahead and hit the panic button, the little red button on there to see, to locate Buck. And I got nothing. Buck is gone. My heart leaps into my throat and I begin. It was like, you're losing your dog. I swear to God, it was that bad because I have a personal connection to this vehicle. You have no idea. You have no idea what this vehicle means to me. So I, I, I'm freaking out and I'm like, somebody stole. Dang it. And I'm thinking in my mind, I'm thinking, oh, he's going to be stripped out. He's going to. His stereo is going to be gone. He's going to be sitting up on cinder block somewhere. And I got to thinking about him. Like, he's going to be hard to steal because they got this GPS and all this stuff, and they, you can't. You got to have the key and the whole deal. And then I decided to go to the Ford app on my key on my phone, and he's parked over on whatever street in a location. So I call the police and I'm like, you know, the police are like, trying to be cool because they, you know, I've had, like, a child abducted, you know, and I'm just like shaking like Anthony Fauci yesterday reading his opening statement. And, and, and so I said, and I talked to him and they'll calm down. Where do you think he is? I said, well, he's over at 607 Whatever street, whatever. And okay, okay, well we can send an officer. And then she gets back to me, goes, that's an impound lot, he's been towed. And I went, what the hell? And so I said, all right, thank you for your, your assistance, officer. And I'll try to make up for the blubbering, panicked fool that I behave like on the phone here that said call the impound lot. They said, yeah, we got your truck. And I'm trying to be cool and it's very hard when somebody tows your truck, your truck, and wants $200 to get it back. It's very hard to be cool with those people. That's why when I went there, they have these bars in this wiring on the, on the window there because they got to deal with people who are really pissed off that their truck got butt. So I said, why did you tow my truck? I called him Buck. Buck, you mean your truck? Yes, I call him Buck.

That

why he was in another space. Meaning that I had parked over the line in the parking garage and the apartment complex where I have been a great tenant, by the way. I've made many improvements on the house. I pay my rent early, early. I bring frickin muffins to the people in the front office and they towed my truck because I was parked over the line. Needless to say, I'm going to be stopping by the apartment complex later today and I'm going to say, you better take that, that off the rent or I'm going to find another place to live. And I mean it. I'm like, I will find another place to live. You don't tow Buck. And, and because he's parked, you know, of course I parked him, is my fault. I'm abusive, I'm sorry, Buck. I apologize to him already. So I got Buck. I drove my daughter over there. I was so angry, I drove her truck over there with her. She ended up getting car sick because I was so mad. She's like, you got to slow down, I'm getting car sick. I'm like, I can't help any guy look at Buck. So I get into Buck and you know, teary reunion, you know, it was kind of weird, but this, the way it is turned on. Some Metallica drove Buck into work and they finally calmed down enough that I can possibly laugh about it. That's how my day started. But I was at the very beginning and I said, the first thing I said was, he's been stolen. And if he's been stolen, I don't miss my show very often. But I would have gone to the ends of the earth to find Buck and if I had to not do the show today. But you know what I did.

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There you go.

[Rob Carson]

So I thought I'd share that with you because, you know, sometimes it's case, occasionally it's a, it's one of the conventions of entertaining people is to share a little bit about the host. And there you go. So I have a psychotic connection with anthropomorphizing a vehicle made of metal and plastic and rubber, but by God, I just got dumped by a woman I've been dating for six months. And Buck's my only friend. We love to win. Winning, winning. So much winning. It's lots of winning. Lots of winning, lots of winning. Lots of winning, Lots of winning, lots of winning. It's oh so good. So if you Google the US economy grows at 1.5%, you're going to get a whole bunch of headlines on, on, on Google and then they're, they're all going to be negative. It's all going to be sluggish economy under Trump sluggish. I mean, really, honestly, it is. It is. So a 1.5% GDP growth in, in a singular quarter extrapolates to 6% per year because four times 1.5 is 6. That's big. But the media is painting it is bad. I did a little research and Obama's economy grew at an annual rate of 2.3%. Overall. Joe Biden's grew at 3%. I'm doubting that Joe Biden. 70% of the jobs created under his administration were because of government jobs. There you go. And inflation went up 30 or so percent. Housing prices doubled in the whole deal. So 1.5% annual, not annual quarterly growth rate extrapolates to 6, 6, 6% there. You're not 6, 6, 6 like that, but 6%, 6%. There you go. So the economy is coming back. Spending was up as well and, and of course, obviously the price of gas because we're kicking Iran's rear end up between its shoulders. We'll talk to Brigitte Gabriel very shortly, but I have a feeling the end is near. Donald Trump has had enough. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. Hey, guys, it's Carson for Ghostbed. Do you really want another summer like last summer? Barely sleeping because you were too hot all night? People blame summer heat for bad sleep when it really may be their mattress trapping heat. And if you already sleep, hot summer only makes it worse. That's why I switched to Ghostbed helps keep you cool all night. No waking up sweaty, tossing and turning or throwing the covers off at 2am Cooling tech is built into every mattress. It's not some expensive upgrade you have to pay extra for. Hot sleepers are some of Ghostbed's happiest customers. Read the reviews. You get incredible support. Less stiffness, deeper sleep, more rested mornings. I got my ghostbed about six months ago, and it changed my life. Ghostbed gives you one out of one nights to try it at home. You can sleep on it all summer long and feel the difference for yourself. How many more summers are you going to waste on bad sleep? Ghostbed is currently having their Fourth of July sale, offering my audience an extra 10% off. Go to ghostbed.comcarson. use the promo code CARSON. That's ghostbed.comcarson promo code CARSON. So you preferred your pronouns to be they and them, they, them.

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Do you need me to explain how to use that? Nope, because I'm not going to. I love it. Caitlin minute. By the way, Gordon Chang is at the bottom of the hour. Brigitte Gabriel is next hour. So there you go. Got a lot of stuff to talk to about, you know, because the. The COVID vaccine came from China, you see. We'll talk to Gordon Chang about that. I'll tell you what, man. I was watching the news last night. All of the. The nonsense, people saying, you know, that Anthony Fauci was a good guy. And, you know, it's still. The.

The.

The media, they f. And they made him some sort. They deified him to some degree, and it was really, really, really, really, really disgusting to watch. I have a sound bite here I want to go to for Abby Normal over on cnn. She. She was talking to Lydia Moynihan, who's fantastic, by the way, and. And Lydia Moynihan schooled her because Abby Normal acted like, well, why are you upset with Anthony Fauci? I don't understand. I don't understand how you could be a journalist and be as clueless as to not want to hold this monster accountable for what he's done. He's a monster, all right. But here is Abby Normal and Lydia Moynihan last night.

[Guest or Caller]

Let me ask you a question. Can you be a little bit more specific about what you think Fauci did and said that was so wrong, that based on what we knew at the

[Rob Carson]

time, he paid for the virus to

[Guest or Caller]

be created, that you should hold him accountable for every bad thing that happened during COVID as a result of the virus and lockdown.

[1-800-Contacts Spokesperson]

So the Diaries are quite illuminating. He was writing one thing at the same time that he was saying something very different publicly about. He was extremely dismissive, for instance, of the origins.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Honestly, you cannot be that clueless. Abby Normal. My God in heaven. What the bleep are you talking about? Utterly, utterly, utterly, utterly, utterly ridiculous. With regard to what Anthony Fauci did, by the way. Here is. Here is Jesse Waters talking about it.

[Jesse Waters]

We learned that Fauci and Dr. Birx had a secret meeting to conspire against Trump and trap him into shutting down the economy. We learned Fauci bribed scientists with grant money so they'd say the virus didn't come from the lab. Did he also pay someone to lobby Biden for the pardon? And Rand Paul indicates Fauci destroyed evidence. Thousands of emails.

[Rob Carson]

Other than that, you know, he was great. And yeah, he knew the origins of the virus.

[Jesse Waters]

We all know the virus came from a Chinese lab. There's no dispute over that. And we know Tony funded the lab.

[Rob Carson]

Here is Tommy Tuberville, excellent Congressman, talking about how Fauci should be in jail.

[Tommy Tuberville]

This gain of function nonsense, where he actually did fund the gain of function in the Wuhan lab. Now, we know that it was released from the Wuhan lab. Now, whether it was on purpose or not on purpose, it killed.

[Political Commentator]

I.

[Rob Carson]

My opinion is that it was because of the election year.

[Tommy Tuberville]

You see billions of.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, people.

[Tommy Tuberville]

And he lied through his teeth. He should be locked up before he leaves this building today and put in prison and then put on trial in front of the American people. We lost 20 to 30,000 people in Alabama alone. And I hope every damn one of them sues.

[Rob Carson]

The.

[Tommy Tuberville]

This doctor filed. She puts him in court. If we can't put him in prison, let's put him in court every day.

[Rob Carson]

Sue him, make him penniless for the

[Tommy Tuberville]

rest of his life where he. Where he has to be punished. And listen to the death that he caused. Again, the vaccine, the death.

[Rob Carson]

Abby Normal on CNN doesn't know this because she's lying to herself and she's a Democrat party apparatchic.

[Tommy Tuberville]

Lies that he gave to President Trump. And then he took over for Biden and Biden didn't know what day it was. And so he was free to just run loose across this country and just lie when the truth he knew was totally different than what he was telling. And again, it's embarrassing.

[Rob Carson]

He destroyed millions of lives. He bought and paid for the damned virus. They released the virus and it destroyed the economy and it destroyed a generation of kids. A Generation of kids. We haven't even analyzed what it did to the minds of children who couldn't be with one another and had to wear stupid masks and be terrified. Just live in fear. Live in fear. You could die of this, right? What did you do to our kids? My God, Abby Normal doesn't even know that. Here is. Oh, here's a little story from. From Waters, Jesse Waters, about one of the. Some of the other stuff that this. This SOB did while the rest of

[Jesse Waters]

the country quarantined and masked, homeschooled six feet apart. Thanksgiving canceled, blackballed. If you contradicted the company line, police were breaking up church services. Yeah, moms got arrested.

[Guest or Caller]

Your advice to communities like that, to idiotic politicians who enforce those rules. Arrested that mom for watching a football game with her own family outside. When that story broke, I said to myself, I cannot stand idly on the side and watch this happen. Here I am sitting in front of you six years later saying, who the do you think you were for?

[Rob Carson]

You couldn't go see a movie, you couldn't go see a concert. I saw this all in real time. I was screaming. I was like. I saw what was happening. And I told you that. The moment that changed for me is when they said, you can't go to church. I said, oh, boy. Now I know this is a psyop. Now I know this is control. You know what masks exist for? I told you this when it was happening. I said mass exists to broadcast fear. That's all. They exist to broadcast fear.

[Guest or Caller]

Fear.

[Rob Carson]

And you still have idiots wearing these masks. Everywhere I go here in Northern Virginia, Washington, D.C. i see. Still see idiots in their cars alone wearing a mask. Or idiots out on the sidewalk still wearing a mask. Honestly, they made us wear surgical masks for two years. Are you freaking crazy? They made us wear surgical masks for two years. Pull your heads out of your butts, for God's sake. Oh, yeah. And then Anthony Fauci, while we were losing our businesses and our relatives were dying alone, he got rich during the pandemic.

[Political Commentator]

You got rich, didn't you? You got rich while people were dying. Hundreds of thousands of Americans. Over a million in the end. And you were getting rich. And not only were you doing that, you were using federal employees with taxpayer money to apply for and solicit cash prizes for you personal.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, and don't forget all the PPP loans that were forgiven and stuff. And don't forget that they increased the size of the government by 40% and then have effectively been looting our treasury ever since.

[Political Commentator]

Cash prizes totaling over a million destroyed the value of the dollar in dollars.

[Rob Carson]

Caused unbelievable inflation.

[Political Commentator]

You did all of that during the pandemic, didn't you?

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Thousands dead a day. And Tony was telling Steph, put my name down for this award, million dollar prize and tell the lawyers not to block it. Now it's illegal for federal officials to solicit cash prizes. So that's another charge.

[Rob Carson]

Yep.

[Jesse Waters]

And while he was self dealing and dining with Tapper, he was posing for photo shoots.

[Political Commentator]

You could sit for InStyle magazine, but you can't answer questions for the American people. You could sit for InStyle magazine, but you're here taking the fifth. You could sit for InStyle magazine and get a million bucks in cash awards. But now the cat's got your tongue.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I bet he does.

[Guest or Caller]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

This is Jim Gossett as Tony Fauci on the Rob Carson show at that hearing.

[Jim Gossett]

The fifth vouch she took 111 toy.

[Rob Carson]

I hope he dies. Broke my silence.

[Jim Gossett]

Makes me look like a crook.

[Rob Carson]

Civil suit. Who wants it?

[Jim Gossett]

I refuse to testify.

[Rob Carson]

Anybody got a love?

[Jim Gossett]

I broke it.

[Rob Carson]

Let's do it.

[Jim Gossett]

The fifth invoked it. Don't ask me why.

[Rob Carson]

We got to sue it for a couple billion.

[Jim Gossett]

To say that I could be held in contempt for my failure to comply. Biden's pardon won't make me accept. In this case it does not apply. Rand wants to test me and to arrest me. You know he'll try. I am guilty. There is not a doubt. It's clear that I have been caught.

[Guest or Caller]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Jim Gossett]

Joe's no longer there to be.

[Tommy Tuberville]

All right.

[Rob Carson]

That is brand new from Jim Gusset, by the way. Go to patreon.com Jim Gossett comedy patreon.com, jim Gossett comedy Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang on X joins us next to talk about the country, the origin of the virus. China. Don't go anywhere. This isn't the end of a fight. It's the start of one. Lioness, the critically acclaimed original series from Taylor Sheridan returns August 2nd only on Paramount. It's the new season. Hidden networks, foreign operatives and personal betrayals collide while Joe walks the line between duty and family. Don't miss Lioness, starring Zoe Saldana, Michael Kelly with Morgan Freeman and Nicole Kidman. Streaming August 2nd only on parallel Foreign. Hey, guys, it's Carson for relief factor. When it comes to supplements, two things matter most. That it works and that you can trust it. Jim ran out of relief factor twice. Both times his ache, stiffness and pain came back. Once he restarted again. He says he felt better again. You know something's working when you run out of it. I started taking release factor six months ago. I ride 30 miles on a Saturday morning on my mountain bike and lift weights every other day and I feel great. People like Jim make it easy to find out if you'll be the next person telling us relief factor help you tackle your daily aches and pains three weeks for just $17.76. Simply go to relieffactor.com or call 800 for relief. They will do everything they can to help. We hope you'll be sharing your story with us too. 804Relief or relieffactor.com.

[Gordon G. Chang]

You know, the CIA, the FBI, Department of Energy, all believe that this virus came from a lab. And yet we don't have yet any admission from the architect and the most prominent supporter of gain of function research. Everybody was extolling Anthony Fauci and saying he was the nation's doctor. No one had been that he had a conflict of interest, that because he had funded the lab, he had a strong argument for saying it didn't come from the lab.

[Rob Carson]

You know, there is, I mean, if you completely ban all gain of function research, then you're going to interfere with some of the important things we need to do. Yeah. All roads lead back to Anthony Fauci, who's been a big fan of gain of function for whatever reason. And it's very apparent that he found a lab that would do his dirty work in Wuhan, China. Joining us to talk about this and so much more is expert on all things China, among other things. He's an expert on everything. For goodness sake. Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang on X. Gordon Chang, how are you in this glorious Thursday, sir?

I'm fine, Rob, and thank you so much.

It's great to have you on. So we don't talk about how the Chinese have reacted to Covid, how the Chinese people reacted to Covid. How many people in China died of COVID Who the Chinese find hold accountable for Covid? I am very curious as to how the CCP has presented Covid and its origins to the people.

Yeah, they have talked about this zoonotic transfer that it came from a bat in southern China in Yunnan province and then worked its way up through an intermediary mammal to Wuhan, which is in the central part of the country and then ended up, you know, in people. And they've talked about the Wuhan, not the lab, but the wet market. And they've been very quiet about this, as you can Imagine they haven't talked about it in a very long time. And clearly they're very concerned about it because they know where it came from. Yeah, 99.99%. It came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology because no one's been able to document those zoonotic transfers. And they are improbable when you think about distances that have, that would require for this, excuse me, for this virus to transmit.

I guess I'm having a hard time figuring out why they would still say this, even though technically, I mean, the United States is kind of responsible for it. I mean, they both are. The lab is still open. I'm trying to figure out how they can continue that story when, I mean, even American comedians like Jon Stewart know it's bull crap. I, I, you know, it clearly was

[Zoran Mamdani]

a

[Rob Carson]

working with the American niaid. I'm not so sure. I don't understand why they don't kind of use it as a tool against America.

Well, you know, now that you mention it, I mean, they've got at least two secret Chinese biological weapons labs in the United States, which were discovered, thank God, one in Reedley, California, which was found in December 2022, and the other one was in Las Vegas, which was raided in January of this year. And from all that we can tell, Rob, there is almost certainly a third facility which is yet to be uncovered. And we don't see the FBI spending very much time trying to figure out what's going on. Matter of fact, we find them trying to cover things up from what we can see. And that is really disconcerting, especially because the facts point to a third facility.

Unbelievable. So how did Covid, though? I mean, are they being honest? Well, of course they're not being honest. They're the ccp. But do we know the amount of death it caused? How did they react to China? You know, China loves to control people. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure they, they probably, oh, we could shut down everybody. We could control everybody. But how did China react to Covid versus the United States? And what was the impact?

Well, what China did was it locked down the central part of the country during the initial stages of the epidemic. And it was a strict lockdown. And as time progressed, the lockdowns became even more strict as we saw people, for instance, literally welded into their home.

I remember that. I remember that. I remember there was a, there was a, there was a night, I recall, and they were showing the high rises in, I think maybe Beijing, and people were screaming and it sounded like it really did. It sounded like people who were in torment in hell. It was, it was. It was just terrifying.

Yeah. That was in western China. That was a high rise apartment that was on fire and the fire trucks couldn't get to the building because of the barricades on the road. People in that building were in fact welded into their apartments and couldn't leave. And that is one of the most horrific stories that came out of the epidemic.

I'll never forget it.

Yeah, we know how bad things were inside China. What we don't know, Rob, is the number of people who died from this. Yes. That we won't know until the Communist Party releases their archives. Which means after they fail and people start to go through the papers and then figure out how bad things were. And then we'll also find out how many people died on the night of June 30th and June 4th in Beijing. Yeah.

Did they mandate the vaccine like. Or did they come up with their own backs? I'm just curious about this. These are questions I came up this morning. I was thinking about talking to you and since you're such an expert on this and you know the culture and the government and the country so well, did they mandate the American vaccine in China? Did they force people to take vaccines? If you couldn't be in the military, you couldn't go to work, et cetera. Did they do that over there?

They did that with their own vaccines. And of course, unless you were a senior Communist party figure, you didn't get the good stuff.

[Tommy Tuberville]

Wow.

[Rob Carson]

Stuff that came out of the United States. So this was China making sure that it's. That its vaccines were used because it was a political issue. And that's why they forced the Chinese people not only to take their vaccines, but also twice a day. Covid.

[Guest or Caller]

Wow.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I recall that. Honestly, it was just such a. I don't know. You have to think that America was colluding with China because we bought all of our protective gear, masks, all of that crap from China. We had massive, massive, multi billion dollar contracts. You have to believe that there was some colluding between the two.

Well, a couple things. First of all, at that time, the US Couldn't manufacture masks. And the other protective equipment, which was the reason why we were importing so much from China in terms of collusion. That goes back to the Fauci story. You got to remember, in 2014, President Obama imposed a federal moratorium on the funding of gain of function research in the United States because he felt it was too dangerous to be Done here. And that's when Fauci decided that he knew better than the President of the United States. And then he funded Echo Health alliance, which was a New York ngo, which then transferred the money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And the one thing that Fauci doesn't want people to know is that there are two scientific papers, 2016 and 2017. They're written by researchers at the Wuhanes Institute of Virology. They clearly describe gain of function research, and they both specifically acknowledge. Excuse me, funding from Fauci's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. This is public record.

Unbelievable.

And really, the reason why this is important is because in 2021, you had Fauci before Senator Rand Paul, under oath, say that he did not fund gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. That was clearly perjury. Or it was Fauci not knowing what his own institute was doing. And between those two explanations, the perjury one is much more credible.

You know, I was watching Carl Higbee on Newsmax last night, and he quoted a statute about the presidential pardon. And you cannot pardon someone for something that has not been charged or suspected. So they just gave him a blanket pardon. And I'm hoping maybe there might be something to crunch on there. I'm also hoping massive civil suits by people who lost their businesses or loved ones because of COVID Because I would love to see Anthony Foushee die, preferably in prison, but certainly broke, alone and ashamed. Let's take a break and come back much more with Gordon Chang. Gordon G. Chang on X. By the way, you got to follow this guy with it's the Rob Carson Show. Back in a minute.

[Gordon G. Chang]

In 2011, your agency funded Ron Fouchier's laboratory when it mutated the avian flu until it could spread through the air between mammals. This was the tipping point. This is when others became worried. You funded this. You advocated for this. The federal government's own biosecurity Board, though, recommended withholding the details of these experiments because of the danger the research posed. People were concerned that publishing it was publishing a roadmap to creating bioweapons around the world. But you sided with the gain of function scientist Fouchier, and argued that the benefits of publishing the research far outweighed the risk.

[Rob Carson]

I don't even know. I can't even imagine why. I can understand why the CCP would want to create a virus that's easily used as a weapon. But one thing that we've learned from all of this is that the United States members of our government are capable of such evil acts as well. That's one of the things that really was dispiriting for me, and I'm glad it's been exposed. Gordon CHANG Yes.

Well, we've got to remember that gain of function research and biological weapons research are essentially the same thing. The issues get complex, which is the reason why it took the Obama administration some time to actually impose that moratorium. But once that federal decision was made, Fauci should have realized that funding gain of function in a Chinese biological weapons lab was essentially helping China build bioweapons. And unfortunately, in this case, one of them did some way get out of the lab. And that has resulted in the deaths of about 9 million or so people. There's 7 million people outside the United, the China that died from it. We don't know exactly how many in China, but clearly we could be talking 8 or 9 million.

Unbelievable. You know what? We haven't touched on this story that's been going around, I mean, kind of watching it percolate. China, the Chinese Communist Party, paying American media to report negatively on Donald Trump. If you, if you looked into that much. I, I didn't get a chance to dig into it today, but I saw it last night, I think on Newsmax, did a story on it, but it sounds like this, I mean, this is unbelievable. Not only are they paying, you know, Neville Singham and that China's done a lot of things to, to foment revolution in our country, but this is remarkable.

It is remarkable, but we've known, you know, Rob, this has been going on for quite some time. Not so much that they paid specifically for negative stories about President Trump, but that they've been paying journalists.

Wow.

This is, this is an issue. We are starting to learn a lot of things that we've known for a long time, but they really haven't risen up to public consciousness.

This is treasonous. This is treason is taking money from an enemy country and publishing propaganda against the President United States. These people need to be investigated for treason. Gordon CHANG this ain't freedom of speech. This, this is, this is trees. This is spying, essentially. Maybe not spying, but, but, but becoming a tool of a foreign enemy to, to take down an administration.

Yes, this is, you know, we don't, unfortunately, we have not designated China as an enemy, and that's something that we have to do. But one can argue that these journalists should have registered under the Foreign Agents Registration act, fara and obviously they didn't this is going to be something that we're going to have to have a national conversation on because we are under assault from the Chinese regime. It's a comprehensive assault. Every single contact that that regime has with us, they're using it to take down our country. You need two things. We need the President United States to declare China enemy, and then we got to start getting serious and protecting our society. We need both of those things at the same time.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

You had mentioned Chinese selling manpads to Iran. Explain.

Yeah. Reuters on Tuesday night, late Tuesday night reported that China had manufactured and was selling somewhere between 300 and 400 what are called MANPADS to Iran and they would be delivered soon. These are shoulder fired missiles. I got you lethal. They can bring down American aircraft. Matter of fact, they've already brought down American aircraft in this particular war. President Trump yesterday said that he would be disappointed if this story were accurate. Most people believe the story is accurate. Xi Jinping has assured President Trump that China would not be selling weapons to Iran. Obviously, China is continuing to do that. Now it's up to President Trump to, to express more than just disappointment, but to warn the Chinese in public. And I think at this point to actually impose severe costs. I agree, I agree back. And Trump has talked about imposing tariffs on countries that supply weapons to Iran. Now's the time to actually impose them and to impose other costs on China. Because we're talking about China trying to kill American servicemen.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 100%. I appreciate. You see, when you said man pads, I thought it was what Tim Waltz wants to put in boys bathrooms. That's kind of what I thought when you said that originally. You know, it's kind of funny, Gordon, wrapping up a, kind of a humorous note. I was watching the, the, the live chat on, you know, on all of our Newsmax media social media pages where I, you know, do the show live. And one of them, when they, when they introduced you, they said, it's time to join the Chang gang. The Chang gang. I thought that's pretty cool.

Well, thank you so much, Rob. So far it's just a gang of one.

Or maybe it's two, I think, I think you got a few. You got a few on the chain gang, baby. I appreciate you, Gordon Chang. Thank you so much. Gordon Chang. Gordon G. Chang on X. Thank you, sir. We'll talk again soon.

Thanks, Rob.

All right, let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. Shelby how to Live Audio slave. My theme song. Never get tired of hearing this song. So Zorat Mandami, the Democrat Party uses reparations because I think they should come up with a bill. Called it reparation H. Right. Maybe that I just came up with that. Let's call it reparation H. You know, because you're really screwing the taxpayer up the rear end with prep Reparation H. There's a sense of humor of a 14 year old boy that I've been looking for Reparation H. So you know the oyster HR whatever House resolution. So let's call it reparation H. That's what we need to call the bill to forever. But anyway, Zoro Mannami and the Democrat Party they want, they want to do reparations because they. The. The black people are beginning to go wow, the Democrat Party really has screwed us over all these years and everything. And you know, they can't racial gerrymander districts and all that anymore. So they promise reparations knowing that they're never going to get reparations. But when reparations don't happen, they can blame the Republican Party for it. That's the reason why they're doing. If you are a black person listening right now, you're never going to get reparations. It is only a political tool the Democrats use to say and divert from the damage they've done to particularly the black nuclear family in America's inner cities. They say reparations will give you a government check. How well has that worked out? But Zoran Mandami says he's going to do reparations.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I stand by what I submitted. Yes, it's the truth. It's not a personal assessment. And we often think about slavery and the complicity in slavery as being exclusively to certain geographic areas of the country. Here in New York City throughout history,

[Rob Carson]

it's not been exclusively black either. It's. It's been for all all sorts of people around the globe. It's been a part of mankind since the beginning of civilization.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We were very complicit. I can tell you that this is critically important because this is also what it looks like to acknowledge what history truly was.

[Rob Carson]

There was no slavery in New York.

[Political Commentator]

All they have is, is. Is that race, Griff. That's the only thing that's holding the left at this point. And the funniest thing about Mamdani is he's a rich kid from an Indian family. That Indian family invaded Uganda, which is a dump and they live like kings in Uganda. He was a rich spoiled kid. They're the gentrifiers in Uganda. The Mamdanis are the gentrifiers driving up housing prices, living like kings in a cheap place. He is exactly what he hates.

[Jesse Waters]

So many of these.

[Rob Carson]

And that's, that's what this, this entire movement is, this dhs, dhs, this DSC movement, the Democrat Socialist dsa. It's spoiled entitled children who are over degreed. A good deal of them have undergraduate degrees, all of them do. And of course overgraduate degrees, graduate degrees and, and they owe anywhere between $106,000 and $190,000 in student debt, have no way to pay it off because their worthless degrees have gotten them a job at Star. They make a lot of them under $60,000 a year. If you owe $200,000 for a loan for student debt, you are going to be angry, pissed off because your degree is worthless. You see other people around you succeeding. You realize that you can't because you got yourself in this problem. And so the only way out is to get a government bailout. And you look at socialism as a way to punish those who are successful, who weren't dumb enough to get a stupid degree in lesbian poetry or whatever the hell it was, spent $200,000 on it and now you can't find a job. So they want to bring down the rest of us to pay them because of the bad mistakes they've made. I've got much more on this on the other side of the break. Also, what Democrats think of Republicans versus what Republicans think of Democrats. The brainwashing has worked. This is why your family was broken up. Mine too. Stick around.

[Jim Gossett]

This is the.