Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer: Russia Is Winning, Biden Blew It on Purpose!

Summary

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Podcast Episode Summary

Podcast: The Rob Carson Show

Episode: Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer: Russia Is Winning, Biden Blew It on Purpose!
Date: October 23, 2025
Host: Rob Carson
Guest: Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer (President, Project Sentinel & 2020 Trump Campaign Advisor)

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Rob Carson Show features a sharp, satirical exploration of current U.S. politics, with a particular focus on the Ukraine-Russia war, U.S. foreign policy under Biden and Trump, escalating rhetoric about civil strife, Israel-Gaza tensions, drug cartels, and the shifting American political landscape. Heavy hitting guest, Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer, weighs in with military and intelligence insights on the state of global conflicts and America’s internal divisions.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Ukraine-Russia War: “Russia Is Winning”

[23:41–29:14]

• Shaffer’s Main Point: Russia is currently winning the war in Ukraine, and Western media or officials denying this reality are misreading the situation.
  • “It's interesting there are actually sources of news people can go look at. It's not hidden...there was just a major tank engagement there over the past week. Ukrainians lost. Nobody's talking about it.” — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [23:43]
• Failed Approaches: U.S./NATO efforts at military escalation will not change the outcome.
• The Bleeding of Ukraine: Ukraine’s population has been halved due to war, making its future as an independent state uncertain.
  • "Right now, this is what worries me, is that we are seeing the bleeding of Ukraine. When the war started, we were talking about a nation of about 41 million. That population is cut in half..." — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [25:14]
• Diplomacy Over Weapons: There is no military solution; Western powers must accept that and pivot to negotiations and possible territorial concessions.
  • “The whole premise that we'll just get one more weapon system, one more. This will be the thing that does it. No.” — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [25:06]
  • “We have no choice at this point but to say there's got to be concessions, territorial concessions.” — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [26:54]
• Biden's Blunders: Both Carson and Shaffer suggest Biden set the stage for Russian aggression through bad policy and possibly with ulterior motives.
  • “Biden messed it up so bad. I think with purpose.” — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [29:01]

2. U.S. Political Climate: Rhetoric, Division, and Civil Unrest

[05:54–15:56]

• Rob Carson's Accusations: Casts Democrats as fomenting a “de facto civil war,” using violent rhetoric and supporting actions against ICE, law enforcement, and U.S. traditions.
  • "The Democrat party is waging a de facto civil war with plausible deniability." — Rob Carson [04:33]
• Media and Language: The show lampoons figures like Don Lemon, connecting left-leaning rhetoric to calls for public armament or resistance.
  • "He makes you want to go to battle, doesn't he?" — Rob Carson [07:03]
  • "Go ahead, show up to the door when the ICE agents show and have your gun out. See how well that works for you." — Rob Carson [07:56]
• Fascism Comparisons: Recurrent theme of both left and right labeling opponents as fascists or Nazis; Fetterman pushes back against this trend.
  • "I've always refused to say that...If you call the president or someone like a fascist, you're effectively calling the people that are going to vote for him..." — John Fetterman [11:47]

3. Israel, Gaza, and U.S. Policy

[32:55–34:36]

• Trump's Position: Trump threatens to “cut Israel adrift” if it moves to annex the West Bank, seeking peace but causing concern among pro-Israel voices like Carson.
• Shaffer’s Take: Absolute support for Israel's right to defend itself and eliminate Hamas.
  • "Why should we accept a hostile...group, Hamas and the Palestinians, who have said is their primary reason for existence is to destroy the Jewish state? Why would you permit that to exist?" — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [33:51]
  • "I'm completely on the Israeli side on this." — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [34:06]
• Critique of Peace-for-Peace Sake: Both criticize superficial peace deals that ignore existential threats.

4. War on Drugs: Cartels Are Terrorists

[29:56–32:55]

• Drug Cartels as Terrorist Organizations: Both Carson and Shaffer argue for military action against drug boats, defending the designation of drug cartels as terrorist groups.
  • "These are drug boats... if you're running drug boats, you're in, you're in grave danger." — Unidentified Guest [30:05]
  • "We've had authority, Rob, to do what we're doing since the 90s....Yes, that's what we do with terrorists." — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [32:05]
  • “The redesignation or the modified designation of these drug cartels as terrorist organizations was long overdue.” — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [32:31]

5. Mayoral Debates and the Left's Downfall

[34:36–35:47]

• NYC Mayoral Debate: Carson and Shaffer discuss growing pushback against far-left political candidates, suggesting the electorate may be waking up to the dangers of Marxism/socialism.
  • “I'm hoping New Yorkers are going to wake up. Maybe this whole delusion that somehow Marxism, Communism, socialism, whatever you want to say will make things better is insane. It's never worked anywhere.” — Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer [34:50]
  • "The fact that this guy posed with a unindicted co. Consp. Conspirator on the 1993 World Trade center bombing...He cannot be the mayor." — Rob Carson [35:15]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Shaffer on Ukraine:
  “I'm trying to. You know, I love President Trump, but I disagree with whoever is advising him right now because they're not pushing the right buttons to get Russia to comply with what they want.” [24:44]
• On U.S. Civil Strife:
  "You aren't the people. You're actually the state. You aren't the state. You are the state. And, honestly, as far as I'm concerned, Go ahead and take a swing." — Rob Carson [14:24]
• Fetterman on Political Labels:
  “They love our country in the same ways that Democrats do, except for. Democrats don't love the country well. ...I refuse to do those kinds of thing because that kind of extreme kinds of rhetoric.” [12:32–12:40]
• Shaffer on Drug Cartels:
  "So it's not like we've not thought about this before. It's just that we're finally acting on it and I think appropriately so." [32:41]
• Carson’s Theme on Leftists:
  "They're in the dying throes of the class of 1968, spiraling into hell, dying like movie vampires trying to drag us into hell with them. And we're not going." [16:30]
• On NYC Mayoral Race:
  "This guy, who's from a rich background, by the way, he's privileged...there is no way this man can be the mayor of the city." — Rob Carson [35:15]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Ukraine-Russia War & Biden’s Failures
  [23:41–29:14] Main Shaffer interview on Ukraine.
• Civil War Rhetoric & U.S. Political Division
  [05:54–15:56] Carson's commentary and soundbites on Democrat and left-wing rhetoric.
• Fetterman Pushes Back Against Rhetoric
  [11:47–12:40] Fetterman comments on extremism in political language.
• Drug Cartel Discussion
  [29:56–32:55] Designation of drug cartels as terrorists.
• Israel-Hamas, Trump's Middle East Policy
  [32:55–34:36] Carson and Shaffer on Israel/Gaza.
• NYC Mayoral Debate and Political Wokeness
  [34:36–35:47] Critique of left-wing candidates in NYC.

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Tone & Style

• Rob Carson:
  Blunt, humorous, skeptical of mainstream narratives, mixes satire with pointed political critique, high-energy delivery.
• Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer:
  Direct, analytical, brings a military/intelligence perspective, not afraid to challenge both Biden and Trump advisors.

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Conclusion

The episode stands as a sweeping, acerbic indictment of current U.S. and global affairs from a conservative perspective. Rob Carson and Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer paint a bleak picture of the Biden administration's handling of foreign affairs, particularly in Ukraine, decry the escalation of divisive rhetoric in domestic politics, make the case for hardline tactics against drug cartels, and warn of the consequences of continued left-wing governance. Entertaining, polemical, and packed with memorable soundbites, the show caters to listeners seeking energetic, right-leaning perspective on the news of the day.

Transcript

[Rob Carson]

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[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

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[Rob Carson]

Hold it.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Now you are about to hear the.

[Rob Carson]

Most interesting, informative, thought provoking and funny.

[Rob Carson Show Announcer]

Show in America on air and on.

[Rob Carson]

The world wide web. This is the Rob Carson show. This is Rob Carson Show. Welcome to it. And this is hour number two of the of the show. Lots of things to get to at the bottom of the hour. Lt. Col. Tony Shaver's gonna join, talk about, you know, what's going on with Ukraine and Russia. Donald Trump's wasn't heavy on Russia economically and apparently the, the economic sanctions and the tariffs and all that are, are really beginning at home. And next hour, this tower, you know, we got next hour. KT McFarland, thank you very much. She's an expert on all that sort of geopolitical stuff, but she's also an awesome person. Got to meet her in, in New York last year. That was kind of fun. It's kind of fun. It's, it's. I still got to pinch myself that this is my life now. I was selling cars just five years ago. Selling cars for a living and you know, having to go out and fetch cars for test drives. It was not fun. It wasn't fun. Not one little bit. New new, new, new, new new new. A couple of things I want to get to before we, before we move into like the mayoral debate last night. They had a last name mayoral debate in, in New York City last night got pretty spicy. They went after the. The man child who has no life experience at you know, academian who literally had his on his mother. On his mother's or on his resume. He had an internship for his mom. An internship for his mom. He wants to be the mayor. And by the way apparently some rabbis not too crazy about the idea that he's going to be the mayor. Possibly 650 rabbis wrote a letter and said that he should not be the mayor of New York City. The safety and indignity of Jews in every city citing the refusal to condemn the globalized. The intifada, denial of Israel's legitimacy and genocide claims that he says about Israel. He also says that Hamas should not lay down its arms among other things. And then of course he also, you know, he did a photo op with unindicted co conspirator in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. He's a radical Islamist. And if you vote for this guy in your Jewish. You are so beyond self loathing. You're suicidal. Honestly, you're suicidal at this point. But we'll get to all of that in a moment. Here we were talking about ICE and how insane people are with protesting ice. And this is not going to, this is going to continue. ICE is going to continue to do this until everybody who's here illegally is either on the right path to citizenship by self deporting and then given the opportunity coming back or gone for good, just removed from the country. That's, that's the way it's going to happen no matter what you do now. The Democrat party is going to do their level best to start a civil war. Here's a teacher in Los Angeles and this is where they are now. They are telling people to use guns to fight ice. Okay, again, I told you. The Democrat party is waging a de facto civil war with plausible deniability. They are, they're using words of war. They are funding this war to the tune of billions of dollars. Billions of dollars through NGOs, through billionaires, through, through communist organizations. This is real. This is a de facto civil war. The Democrat party is down with the side of taking down America as founded. There's no doubt about it. I'm not screwing around it. They wouldn't be doing this if, if they weren't. But here is this guy, a teacher in Los Angeles. This is the beginning. We heard it over the weekend. They had people in these idiotic no Kings protests which went to. And it's a moist dream of the class of 1968, to show that the American people overwhelmingly do not support Donald Trump and they want him removed from office and he should get in the helicopter, leave. It's not going to work. That's why Donald Trump did this. The video, the AI video of him flying over these protesters and dumping feces on them from a fighter plane. That's what he looks at you as. And then, oddly enough, at like 2 o' clock in the afternoon, the protests just immediately broke up because they were on the clock, bought and paid for. But here's this teacher in Los Angeles. Don't forget where you're standing. This is South Central Los Angeles.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

They are not.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, Democrats have made that place a new hell on earth. Not the only ones with guns in this city. There you go. We're not the only ones with guns, okay? What kind of gun are you gonna use against an MRAP with a.50 cal strapped to it? They're not the only ones that.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Don't forget that.

[Rob Carson]

And I don't say that because we're calling for violence. I'm saying that because the people have every right to defend themselves against masked unidentified gunmen with AR15s and other military rights. He's saying to take up arms against law enforcement. That's what he's doing. They did the same thing in the summer of 2020. They were quite as bold. They would just say, you know, pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon, and then, you know, leave pallets of bricks on street corners. The media would never cover it up, you know? Yeah, this is what they're doing. This is what they're doing. There's no doubt about it. Don't make me laugh by trying to say it isn't happening, because it is. Here's Don Lemon the other day. He is just so mad. Don Lemonade said the same thing.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Black people, brown people of all stripes.

[Rob Carson]

Whether you're an Indian, you, black people of all stripes, American or Mexican American, he's quite. I mean, he makes you want to go to battle, doesn't he?

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

American or whoever you are, go out in your place where you live and get a gun. Legally, get a license to carry.

[Rob Carson]

Legally get a license to carry.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Because when you have people knocking on your door and taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn't that a citizen? What? The Second Amendment was written.

[Rob Carson]

The Second Amendment is a citizen.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Or go back and read what the Second Amendment says, and perhaps it will knock some sense in the head. In the heads of these.

[Rob Carson]

Really got to stop using so many essence.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

People who are saying, well, it's all great. I don't believe they're doing it without due process. They're asking people for papers. They're not really beating people up. These people are doing things that are illegal. Nobody is illegal. It is a myth to meet.

[Rob Carson]

Go ahead, show up to the door when the ICE agents show and have your gun out. See how well that works for you. See? And when he speaks and he uses S's, dogs go crazy. You may wonder why your dog is barking right now. That's Don Lemon using a lot of S's in a sentence. It happens. It's weird that way. Here is Tulsi Gabbard, she's DHS secretary, talking about why Democrats don't condone or don't condemn violence against ice.

[Winsome Sears]

It makes no sense. I have not heard a single one of them. The opposite is true. You just heard very directly. It's the exact opposite. They're actually putting a target on the backs of every one of these ICE agents who puts their lives at risk every day. Not to grab innocent people off the street, as the Democrats accuse them of doing, but it is to get those criminals, those who have, you know, murders on their records. They have kidnappings, they have drugs, they have violent crimes of various sorts on their records, which is why ICE is going after them in the. These communities.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. And, you know, people like JB Pritzker, they use the word Hitler, Nazi, fascist. All of this on purpose. We've seen this. It's been going on for a decade now. It's showing up on shell casings and in manifestos of leftists who murder children in Catholic churches in Minneapolis. And Charlie Kirk. Yeah, and here he is again. We have to save this country from what Donald Trump is doing to it because he is standing in the schoolhouse door like George Wallace, except for he's more effective because he takes up the entire door. No, I do not want this country to become like other authoritarian regimes people have criticized me for talking about. The Democrat Party is right now the reason why they carry states like New York and Illinois and just about every state is because of the population centers loaded with Democrat voters. That's it. Otherwise, you've got states. Even Maryland. Even Maryland, where I used to live. Even Virginia. Virginia, largely controlled by Fairfax and Loudoun County. They get all sorts of government employees living here, and they control the narrative. And the Democrat Party wants to keep the people in America's inner cities uneducated, aggrieved, impoverished, independent. That's it. And now they have illegals in Those areas that they are going to use to vote Democrat. That's it. That's all. That's what they're afraid of. Because once they lose cities like New York and they go Republican, then so goes the state. This is their spiraling into hell moment. The Nazi regime on the right people have criticized me. It's the one I know most about because I helped to build a Holocaust museum. And I know you use some of your family money to build a Holocaust museum. Are you sitting next to haven't built anything. I don't think you even did Lego when you were a kid. Holocaust survivors, that what they will say in this moment is this is what happened. No, I'm thinking Holocaust survivors are in New York going holy crap, they're gonna put Zoran Mandami as the, as the mayor of the friggin city. Here is this is what the Democrats have been doing four years now to get to this moment.

[Winsome Sears]

He said he wanted generals like Adolf Hitler had.

[Rob Carson]

President Biden believes that Donald Trump is fascist. I mean, yes, this sounds like Nazi rhetoric. This sounds like fascist rhetoric. It sounds like white suprem the last two years.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?

[Winsome Sears]

Yes, I do.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

And Biden has to get in there.

[Winsome Sears]

Very hard and go rapist, racist, fascist.

[Rob Carson]

Now here is John Fetterman. Last night again, he had his hair or his brain turned on and off and it reset. So he's the only Democrat alive now, I think who has common sense. But listen to what he said last night about calling Trump and his supporters Nazis and fascists.

[John Fetterman]

I don't know why and I've always refused to say that. And when then the Vice President Harris referred to President Trump as a fascist and I knew absolutely we lost the plot at that point. Yeah, you know, if you, if you call the president or someone like a fascist, you're effectively calling the people that are going to vote for him and then, then they must be fascist too, or they Ford. Excuse me. They support fascism in those things and that's just not true. That's just not it. I happen to know and I love a lot of people that voted for the president and they're not fascists, they're not Nazis, they're not trying to destroy the Constitution, all those things. They just happen to have different priorities. And they love our country in the same ways that Democrats do, except for.

[Rob Carson]

Democrats don't love the country well.

[John Fetterman]

So I refuse to do those kinds of a thing because that kind of extreme kinds of rhetoric.

[Rob Carson]

It's because the Democrat Party and Barack Obama said he wanted to fundamentally change America. And the only way you do that is by what, fomenting a revolution? And since they weren't able to win, by silencing us and by, you know, rigging an election and attempting to take Donald Trump off the ballot, bankrupt him, and then murder him, what's the next step? What's the next step? You're witnessing. And it's gonna fail. It's gonna fail big time. Let's take a break and come back, shall we? This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Rob Carson Show Announcer]

Fasten your seatbelt deep state. It's gonna be a bumpy ride. It's the Rob Carson Show.

[Rob Carson]

It is a Rob Carson show. You don't believe me when I say the Democrat Party is and has been waging a de facto civil war with plausible deniability. No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump. And he is a fascist to his core. No, he's not.

[Winsome Sears]

Let me shut down the Senate.

[Rob Carson]

We are at war.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

We are at war. So you have to be willing to.

[Rob Carson]

Do whatever is necessary in order to save the country.

[Winsome Sears]

And that's why the gloves are off.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Donald Trump and the maga Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. Yes, there are many threats to democracy. We see it with these extreme candidates. I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country.

[Rob Carson]

And maybe there will be.

[Winsome Sears]

You can only push people so far and then they start to take matters into their own hands.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

What the American public want is for.

[Rob Carson]

Us to bring actual weapons to the spar fight.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

This is an actual fight. You know, this is literally call to arms.

[Rob Carson]

Okay? You're, you're messing with the most well armed intellectually and physically people in the history of mankind. We, we, the founders wrote the second amendment into the Constitution to prevent what you're fomenting there, by the way, because you aren't the people. You're actually the state. You aren't the state. You are the state. And, and honestly, as far as I'm concerned, Go ahead and take a swing. Honestly, take a swing. Take a swing. See what it does to you. Ain't gonna win well for you. It didn't in the Civil War.

[Rob Carson Show Announcer]

Democrats to the town of Portland. I sent in the guard. Antifa. They are gonna hit your heart. The Democrat mayor's getting in my way. Go ahead, punks, and make my day. Come on f around and find out. F around and find out. Schumer's gonna find out. I mean business and I'LL get my way? Pencil neck and Chris Ray.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, yeah.

[Rob Carson Show Announcer]

For your crimes you will pay.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, big time.

[Rob Carson Show Announcer]

You have both been found out. Hope you get a lengthy prison stay? Listen up, Hamas, I am warning you.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, yeah?

[Rob Carson Show Announcer]

Break the ceasefire and you'll be through? Democrats hang your head in shame for the shutdown? You gonna get the blame? F around and find out? Come on, Mess around and find out? F around and find out? In the end I'm gonna win, Win.

[Rob Carson]

The day that is Jim Gossett find out the President of the United States. Brilliant. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. I came up with Monday and sent it to him, and he threw it together. It's brilliant. That's the official theme song of the Trump administration right now. F around and find out honestly. And that's kind of my theme song, too. Kind of done with this temper tantrum nonsense that's been happening. The the left, they're in the dying throes of the class of 1968, spiraling into hell, dying like movie vampires trying to drag us into hell with them. And we're not going. Chris in Fort Worth joins us. Chris, what's up, buddy? How you doing?

[Caller Chris from Fort Worth]

How are you? My man Rob, this is your man Chris in Fortress Fort Worth together. Hey, I heard you had a birthday recently, and so did I.

[Rob Carson]

What?

[Caller Chris from Fort Worth]

I was born October 19th, so I'm a Libra, but actually I'm a Christian more than anything else.

[Rob Carson]

How many? How many for you, Chris? How many?

[Caller Chris from Fort Worth]

63, officially.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, all right. All right. Yes.

[Caller Chris from Fort Worth]

But, you know, Stephen Miller, they called him, he not a Jewish Nazi or a Nazi Jew. And I'm like, yeah, that's that. Okay. That's where they're desperate.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller Chris from Fort Worth]

To be attacking that fine man and questioning his heights and stuff. It's very low down. You know, let's get over that. What I'm worried about is, you know, I'm hearing my beloved parents county, and, you know, I'm thinking back about Maricopa county back in 20 and 2022, what they did to Carry Lake. And they're focusing on our My county now. And I want the world to know, be aware that and especially our Tarrant county residents, that, you know, we got to get out there, we got to show our support. Trump, we got a vote. Matt Maga. And I like the candidate, Lee. I can't really pronounce her last name, but hopefully everybody come out for her. But, yeah, this Nazi thing is just. It shows desperation.

[Rob Carson]

Of course it does. You're exactly right, Chris. It's 100 desperate direction. Yeah, listen Listen, I appreciate your phone call, Chris. I do have to run, but. Yeah, it's, it's the dying throes of the class of 1968. It's all over. They're doing it. They're doing it. They're trying it. They're doing the level best. And it's, it's doing a face plant. It's cutting through. People are, people are recognizing how bad the Democrats are. Here's Winsome Sears. Winsome Sears on Fox. There was a guy at a, at a sporting event calling her racist, using racial epithets.

[Winsome Sears]

I'm the one who's saying, parents, I'm on your side. My opponent, Abigail Spamberger.

[Rob Carson]

Here she is talking about Abigail Spamberger, who still believes that boys become girls and compete in women's sports. This is, this is why I have a good feeling about the race in the state of Virginia where I live now for ag Governor and lieutenant Governor.

[Winsome Sears]

Has voted against the Parents Rights act when she was in Congress. And it simply said this. If you're transitioning my child in the school system, I need to know. She voted against that. Also said if my child is not reading and doing math, et cetera, on grade level by the time they're in the third grade, I need to know as the parents. She voted against the parents going. Also, if there is violence happening in schools, I as the parent need to be notified. Voted against that.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. And by the way, John Reed's opponent for lieutenant governor is as radical as they get. She wants a $20 minimum wage. She wants compulsory union membership. She's down with every leftist thing that America is rejecting. They want to do to Virginia what they've done to states like Maryland. Maryland. I got a TV report coming up you wouldn't believe how many people are at least leaving Maryland. Leaving Maryland? 2 million people left Maryland because they're sick and tired of the overregulation and the radical leftism of Maryland, which really swung left after I moved from Maryland about 11 years ago. So got more on that coming up. They are the last dying gas of the class of 1968 in states like New Jersey, in states like Virginia. And we have to drive them out of power. All right, so we got Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer coming up to talk a little bit about Russia, Ukraine and other sundry international stuff dealing with the military. It's always awesome. He has great insights. And so I'd encourage you to listen more of the Rob Carson show right ahead. Don't go anywhere. Hey, guys, it's Carson for Get Fresh Olive oil. I eat olive oil every day. I got rid of seed oil years ago. Life is too short to not have wonderful fresh olive oil. And I mean fresh olive oil packs the most flavor and healthy ingredients when it's fresh from the farm. And that's the problem with supermarket olive oils. They're not fresh. They could sit on the shelf for months, growing stale. That's why I get my olive oil from small, award winning farms thanks to a fellow named T.J. robinson, also known as the olive oil hunter. When I tasted TJ Farm's fresh olive oils, I fell in love with their vibrant, grassy flavors. They were incredibly delicious on salad, veggies, pasta, meat, fish, you name it. And as an introduction to his fresh pressed Olive Oil Club, TJ is willing to send you a full size $39 bottle up one of the world's finest artisanal olive oils fresh from the new harvest for just $1 to help him cover shipping. There's no commitment to buy anything now or later. Get your free $39 bottle for just $1. And tast freshness makes, go to getfreshrobcarson.com that's getfreshrobcarson.com for a free bottle and pay just $1 shipping. Get freshrobcarson.com.

[Scott Bessen]

As you know and that the world can see, President Trump is the president of peace. He's done peace deals, trade deals, tax deals, and part of the peace deal. The real remaining final conflict in the world. This would be the ninth one that he has found a solution to, would be between Russia and Ukraine. President Putin has not come to the table in an honest and forthright manner as we'd hoped. There were talks in Alaska. President Trump walked away when he realized that things were not moving forward. There have been behind the scenes talk, talk. But I believe that the president is disappointed at the where we are in these talks. So this, either this evening or first thing tomorrow morning, we are going to be announcing a substantial increase in Russia sanctions. I'm not going to give you the exact sanctions, but I can tell you that this will be one of the largest sanctions that we have done against the Russian Federation.

[Rob Carson]

And joining us to talk about this, that's Scott Bessen, by the way. He's Treasury Secretary. They're doing everything, they're pulling out all the stops to end this conflict between Russia and Ukraine. And there are a lot of balls in the air, you know, to get, for instance, Afghanistan or not Afghanistan, India and Pakistan to the table. He used tariffs. He used tariffs. He said they're gonna pay for your war if we're not buying your stuff. So, you know, there are a lot of, like I said, a lot of balls in the air. Tony Schaefer, Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer, president of the Project Sentinel and 2020 Trump campaign visor, joins us on the Newsmax highlight. Why is this one so hard, bro? Why is this one so hard?

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

So it's because Russians are winning and the rest of the world seems to continue to deny that. It's interesting there are actually sources of news people can go look at. It's not hidden that, like per Cross, there was just a major tank engagement there over the past week. Ukrainians lost. Nobody's talking about it. So. Yeah, so. So this is one of the things about the Cold War that we were good at. We're not so good now. You have to examine the situation from the eyes of your adversary to understand how to manage that perception. Reagan was a master at this. So, you know, okay, another round of sanctions. Okay, bring them on. The thing that did have an effect, the two things that did have an effect is when President Trump talked to India and said, hey, stop buying. That got Putin's attention, as did, did the, the Tomahawks. That got attention. And then, of course, then the backs off. Oh, never mind about the Tomahawks. That's not. I don't know who advised President Trump to do that. That wasn't smart. Yeah, because it shows you were bluffing all along, so.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Just saying so. And I'm trying to. You know, I love President Trump, but I disagree with whoever is advising him right now because they're not pushing the right buttons to get Russia to, to comply with what they want.

[Rob Carson]

What are the buttons? What do you, what do you suggest?

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Well, the two things that have to be done is to accept that there's no military solution. That has to be the premise. You start from that. NATO and everybody else has blown it. And what worries me is we're doing. We're going back to the same scenario, that goddess where it's at. It's like, you know, we're talking about wonder weapons, we're talking about, we'll give them this and that'll be it. It's like, no, that didn't work under, under Biden. Why do you think it's going to work now? The whole premise that we'll just get one more weapon system, one more. This will be the thing that does it. No, right now, this is what worries me is that we are seeing the bleeding of Ukraine. When the war started, we were talking about a nation of about 41 million. That population is cut in half, virtually for a number of reasons, not all military losses. So if this continues, you're going to have a deficit of people to run the country. I mean, this isn't even about military to military. Like, do you even have enough people to sustain a country? So this is what worries me, and this is what we're playing into Russia's hand. Russia wants to bleed Ukraine dry. We're helping him do that.

[Rob Carson]

And then what happens? Then what happens? Is there a power vacuum? Is there what?

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Well, the Russians win. The Russians will take. Take either what they want or all of it. I don't think they want all of it because they don't want the issue with insurgencies. But I'm just saying what we're doing right now is not going to resolve this. What we have to understand is that since this, and this is the best thing I would use if I were President Trump. Look, this was so badly managed by Biden, we have no choice at this point but to say there's got to be concessions, territorial concessions. This always comes back to the Europeans saying, oh, no, no, we can win this. Like, no, you can't. That. That ship has long sailed, so you have to go with what's next. The next thing is preserve what you got, stop the bleeding, stop the destruction of Ukraine and start backwards, start seeing if we can start pushing back. Because at this point, again, the Europeans talk big, but they won't give troops. Obviously, the neocons are always trying to push, like Lindsey Graham trying to push us to do more regarding military, but it doesn't work. So accept the level of. Accept the level of the water as it is. Don't pretend it's something else. And so this is where my frustration continues with the administration.

[Rob Carson]

It is definitely a different nut to crack. And I was trying to figure out if it was a cultural kind of differences. Vladimir Putin is someone who is very dark and very uniquely proud and sociopathic individual, you know? Yeah.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

But with that said, he's winning. That's true. In his mind, he's winning. So you've got to go from that premise, because the more you pretend he's not and you take the European talking points and use them, the more it's like, yeah, and that's what happened here. You know, Putin and Trump talk. The reality set in. It's like, yeah, they're not really going to give us what we want, so we got to postpone It, Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

Did you see that? Did you see the stories last week about Joe Biden going over to Ukraine before the conflict and doing his speech, talking about corruption and how terrible was, even though he knew it and the people, the leaders of Ukraine knew he was there. Gaslighting them. He was gaslighting them. And then, and then he offered, basically said, you know, Russia, you couldn't, you couldn't, you couldn't invade a little. It was all, this is all really a cover up of his fricking family's corruption. If this is the case, there's the blood of a lot of people on his lousy, stinking old hands.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Well, think about this. We came to learn, we've come to learn that Hunter Biden was being paid by both Russia and Ukraine. Come on. I mean, it's obvious they were trying to get the war going.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

President Trump is correct. This would have never happened under his watch.

[Rob Carson]

So it really is.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

With that said, with that said, Rob Biden messed it up so bad. I think with purpose. We've got to accept that. We can't, we can't put Tumpty Dumpty back together.

[Rob Carson]

No.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

There's going to have to be some territorial losses to Russia.

[Rob Carson]

Just.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

It is what it is.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. And then we're going to have to use Ukraine's natural resources to pay for the rebuilding and pay us back. To be quite honest, I do want to talk a little bit about what's going on with Israel and in Gaza and if Hamas is going to continue to fafo. It looks like they are. I'm hoping, actually they do. I'd love the IDF to go in and just wipe them out, get rid of them all together. I want to cover that on the other side of the break. And also your thoughts on taking out drug boats. Can you stick around and talk about those two things, my friend?

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Absolutely.

[Rob Carson]

All right, cool. Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer on the Rob Carson Show. Let's take a break and come back. Go anywhere.

[Unidentified Expert on Drug Boats]

Well, I mean, the question is, bottom line, these are drug boats. If people want to stop seeing drug boats blow up, stop sending drugs to the United States, does it matter if.

[Rob Carson]

It'S going to the United States?

[Unidentified Expert on Drug Boats]

Well, these are all in international waters. The boat, well, that's a different matter. You're talking about a law enforcement matter. In this particular case, there are people traveling on international waters headed towards the United States with hostilities in mind, which includes flooding our country, country with dangerous, deadly drugs. And they're going to be stopped. And that's what's happening. And in the case last week, you saw there was a submarine. It was a submarine. It was a submersible. That's a drug boat all the way through. We know what these boats are. The President just said it. We tracked them from the very beginning. We know who's on them, who they are, where they're coming from, what they have on them. And you know, if you're running drug boats, you're in, you're in grave danger.

[Rob Carson]

And they are affiliated with governments including in Venezuela. The Maduro regime is behind this. They have profited from this. This is a war. This is a war. That's why it is different. Rand Paul, I mean, Rand Paul, dear God, man. You know, just, just honestly, sometimes you're Libertarian. Pull your head out of your Libertarian. But for God's sakes, this is a completely different ball game. And they have been waging a war on us by flooding our country with not only fentanyl, but also with the emptying their prisons. This is a war. It is a completely different ballgame. And I say keep blowing the snot out of them. Tony Shaver, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Shaver, what say you, sir?

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

So I agree with your premise. It's time we take this seriously. Now, what I find interesting about Rand Paul and others to include those in the left, and I, you know, I consider Rand a friend. I like him, but he's wrong on this.

[Rob Carson]

I know.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

So let me be clear with, with your audience, with our audience. We have the authorities to do this going back to the 1990s. The military first engaged in counter drug. In the period of about 1992-93, when we were asked to come in and join the war on drugs. So I served time in a place called jaidev, Joint Interagency Task Force east in Key west, now Joint Interagent Task Force South. Beautiful place, Key West. Go there, by the way, conservatives taking over Key West. Just saying. Go there. Have a good time.

[Rob Carson]

Good.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

And my point being, yeah, the ICE is welcome there. Believe it or not, their city council approved it. Anyway, back to the topic. We've had authority, Rob, to do what we're doing since the 90s. It's just, it was never used. So it was reluctant because. Reluctance. Because of what we're seeing right now, people are getting upset. Oh, my God, you're blowing people up. Yes, that's what we do with terrorists. So I think.

[Rob Carson]

Who? Frigity who?

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

The redesignation. Yeah, the redesignation or the modified designation of these drug cartels as terrorist organizations was long overdue.

[Rob Carson]

Yes, that's exactly right.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

We're basically dusting off plans. Heck, my second book, the Last Line, was about us turning essentially the military on the drug cartel. So it's not like we've not thought about this before. It's just that we're finally acting on it and I think appropriately so.

[Rob Carson]

I love it. I love it. Here's a headline today, Donald Trump has threatened to cut Israel adrift if they annex the west bank in an extraordinary escalation as the president demands peace in the Middle East. See, I'm hoping that. And it looks like Hamas is believing around and finding out. And I personally would like Israel to occupy because they had a chance at a two state solution and I think the only way to end Hamas is to get rid of them. I kind of feel uneasy about Trump's stance about cutting Israel off for doing what I think is the right thing. Go ahead.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

No, I think you're right. I think at this point, look, if, if. Let me ask you a question in the audience. If West Virginia, if West Virginia is a state, if its primary purpose and stated up front, its primary policy purpose to exist is to destroy Virginia, I think we would take Virginia's side and let them invade West Virginia. Just saying. Don't you think?

[Rob Carson]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

So the same thing here. It's like, you know, why should we accept a hostile, you know, a group, Hamas and the Palestinians, who have said is their primary reason for existence is to destroy the Jewish state? Why would you permit that to exist? Why?

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

So I'm completely on the Israeli side on this.

[Rob Carson]

Is it just because Trump wants peace? Is that it? Just peace? I mean, it's kind of a blanket peace. I just want peace for peace sake, for peace sake. But I gotta tell you, Hamas can't be allowed to exist. They just can't be allowed to exist.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

This is where I've been frustrated with the phase two of the thing. It's like, well, and then yesterday you said, well, well, we'll do like a bifurcation. We'll have the Israelis take one half and Hamas take the other side. No, that's no better. That's no better.

[Rob Carson]

No. Final, final thoughts. What do you think about the New York mayoral way? They had a big debate last night. I haven't a chance to watch a whole deal, but they, they really went after the mon commie. What do you think's happening there? Do you think the tide is shifting? 12 days before the election?

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

We think, I think, I'm hoping New Yorkers are going to wake up, up. I don't know, maybe this whole delusion that somehow Marxism, Communism, socialism, whatever you want to say will make things better is insane. It's never worked anywhere.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Yet somehow this. This guy, who's from a rich background, by the way, he's privileged. He's not. Not one of these guys that came up through, you know, hardship. Yeah, it's. It's bad. So. Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

You know who else was Osama bin Laden, by the way. Osama. I mean, it's the same damn thing. The same damn thing. And. And the fact that this guy posed with a unindicted co. Consp. Conspirator on the 1993 World Trade center bombing. He did it so blatantly. He cannot be the mayor, Tony. He. Because of that. That should immediately disqualify him. Have you lost so much common sense that you don't see that has to be a disqualification? That's like posing with Hitler, for God's sake. I mean, there is no doubt about it. There is no way this man can be the mayor of the city.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Yep. I agree.

[Rob Carson]

All right, brother. Well, I always appreciate your insights, man. Where can people find all your glorious work? What is the name of that book again? About the drug cartels and war on them.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Yeah, you guys can look it up. Last Line. It's. It's a. It's a novel. It basically, we wrote it 10 years ago. Wow. Postulating that, hey, we're going to have problems. The Southwest border. And by the way, this is. It wasn't like, I just wrote it one day. It's like, no, I saw this coming based on my experience in the 1990s and early 2000s. Like, yeah, this is going to get out of hand. We're going to figure out where to use the military. So that's. That's called the Last Line. And what you see now transpiring. We kind of put it into a fictional account out 10 years ago.

[Rob Carson]

All right, Tony Shaver, where can people find your work? On the Web.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Just mostly on X. I've got a subscription. Subscribers. We're doing a thing on Spoof. Fine. This week. And. And. And through the. Through this week. We're doing a thing tonight. No, tomorrow. Yeah, tonight at 8. On. On spine. On Counterintelligence stuff. So check us out on.

[Rob Carson]

I love it. Hey, man, thank you so much, Tony. I appreciate you so much. It's so nice to have you on. I feel like a. Very, very blessed to have you as a guest and a friend.

[Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer]

Friend.

[Rob Carson]

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