Mary Walter Investigates Minnesota Fraud

Summary

The Rob Carson Show — "Mary Walter Investigates Minnesota Fraud"

Date: December 24, 2025
Guest Host: Mary Walter
Featured Guest: Adam Gillette, President of Accuracy in Media

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Overview

In this episode of The Rob Carson Show, guest host Mary Walter delves into several urgent political topics, blending her trademark humor and pointed insight. The main focus is an in-depth interview with Adam Gillette (Accuracy in Media) about the recent $9 billion Minnesota fraud scandal and its implications for taxpayers, government accountability, and future welfare policy. Other segments address the current health care system and the recent SCOTUS decision regarding federal intervention with the Illinois National Guard.

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Main Theme

Investigating Minnesota's Massive Welfare Fraud Scandal:

• Discussion of the multi-billion dollar welfare fraud involving Somalis in Minnesota.
• Analysis of the government’s response (or lack thereof), systemic failures, and political/media ramifications.
• Exploration of how such large-scale fraud is possible, whether lessons will be learned, and the broader implications for American welfare programs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Health Care: Broken System and Hidden Costs

• Personal Perspective: Mary Walter opens with a relatable anecdote about navigating health insurance, deductibles, and the rush to use medical services before year-end.
  • She highlights Representative Eric Burleson's critique of ACA/Obamacare: “ACA ‘coverage’ is a taxpayer-funded illusion. In 2014, enrollees paid 32% of their premiums. Today, they pay just 7%. Taxpayers now cover 93% and millions are not even eligible.”
• Policy Critique: Walter criticizes government health programs for fostering dependency, crowding out privately insured people, and ultimately pushing toward single-payer.
  • “[Democrats] know that if they can get the last seven [percent], and this is with the temporary enhanced benefits...you’re going to have a good number of people who are on fully paid, government-controlled health care, which was the plan all along.” (10:56)
  • She blasts Congress’s exemption from Obamacare as emblematic of deeper systemic unfairness.

Supreme Court Ruling: Limits on Federal Authority

• Segment: [13:30–18:26]
  • Discussion of SCOTUS’s 6–3 decision blocking Trump’s attempt to federalize the Illinois National Guard for ICE support in Chicago.
  • Walter emphasizes states’ rights: “The president does not have the right to deploy federal agents or deploy the National Guard in a city or state without the consent of the governor of that state. I like that. That sounds good to me.” (16:17)
• Contrast: Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry touts National Guard deployment in New Orleans as a “model” for crime reduction, highlighting state-level cooperation with the federal government.

The Minnesota Fraud Scandal: Interview with Adam Gillette

Background

• Over $9 billion in welfare-related fraud in Minnesota, much of it tied to Somali community networks.
• Local and federal response criticized as slow and ineffectual; significant media underreporting.

Adam Gillette’s Analysis

• On Political Accountability:
  • “These Democrat politicians in Minnesota saying, ‘Oh, well, look at us, we solved it, we caught them.’ Wow, how long did that go on before you caught them? How much money was wasted that will never be recovered for the taxpayers?” (22:26)
  • “It speaks to the problem with every major big government program...they define success...by how much money we're giving out. So of course, the Somalis...were dealing with people who, rather than being careful about every dollar, were doing their best to give every single dollar away.” (22:58)
• On Lack of Oversight:
  • Gillette argues government incentives are misaligned, with bureaucrats more interested in disbursing funds than guarding integrity.
  • Walter and Gillette agree that overlapping programs (Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare) create gaps ripe for exploitation.
  • “Rather than oversight, they're craning their necks to look in the other direction because it’s not a very popular, not a very palatable story for the narrative they want to push.” (25:55)
• On Media & Political Implications:
  • Mary Walter: “If this was Florida, we would be hearing this non stop. We're talking approximately $9 billion in fraud...if they think it’s $9 billion, it’s probably far above this.” (21:29)
  • Gillette: “Because it's not favorable for mainstream media...they dislike one, that a Democrat looks bad; two, that a big government program turned out to be wasteful...and three, that an immigrant group was engaged in bad behavior.” (30:27)
  • Gillette underscores his general support for immigration but notes the story’s damaging impact: “It’s anecdotally horrible and outrageous…their response is billions of dollars in fraud.” (31:15)
• On Future Outcomes and National Trends:
  • Walter and Gillette predict continued fraud and fiscal crisis as government programs grow unchecked.
  • Gillette: “They've got all of these unfunded pension liabilities...professions that are quite noble, but...their cities and states are going to be bankrupt over the next 20 years.” (27:52)

Broader Systemic Corruption

• Walter and Gillette expand discussion to similar fraud cases in other states and government programs:
  • Gillette: “Every big government program is corrupt and wasteful. The more big government programs you have in your state, the more this sort of thing…will exist.” (31:44)
  • Critique of public education as another institutionalized example: “Our K–12 system isn’t set up to educate children; it’s set up to take funds from taxpayers, enrich fat-cat unions, and essentially embezzle it to far-left candidates.” (32:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mary Walter on ACA and Health Insurance:
  “Everybody’s complaining about healthcare, right? And you can join me...[but]...this isn't healthcare, it's a subsidy scam.” (06:46)

• Adam Gillette on Big Government Fraud:
  “These Democrat politicians in Minnesota saying, ‘Oh, well, look at us, we solved it, we caught them.’ Wow, how long did that go on before you caught them?...What other corruption is going on as we speak?” (22:26)

• On Media Complicity:
  Gillette: “Because it’s not favorable for what the mainstream media wants to sell us, they’re going to ignore the story.” (30:59)

• On Institutional Failure:
  “Every big government program is corrupt and wasteful... As smart as they are when they create these programs, the connivers are always going to be one step ahead of them.” – Adam Gillette (33:24)

• Federal Suspension of Funds:
  Walter summarizes Small Business Administrator Kelly Leffler’s pointed letter to Minnesota: “We’re not giving you any more money because you have proven to us that you don’t know how to handle it… [your state] failed to safeguard taxpayer dollars, and SBA will not continue to place federal resources at risk in a state where oversight measures are ignored and accountability is abandoned.” (35:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Health care & ACA critique: 00:24–13:15
• SCOTUS/Illinois National Guard ruling: 13:30–18:26
• Minnesota fraud segment opens: 20:22
• Adam Gillette interview start: 20:58
• Big government program analysis: 21:29–33:55
• Small Business Administration’s letter to MN: 34:09–38:56

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Tone & Style

Mary Walter’s approach is candid, humorous, and exasperated in equal measure. Adam Gillette’s tone is pointedly critical but leavened with sardonic wit, skewering both bureaucratic incompetence and political calculation, while supporting the importance of reform.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a scathing, detail-rich account of the Minnesota welfare fraud scandal—framed as symptomatic of wider governmental and media indifference to reckless spending and systemic waste. Through incisive commentary and the sharp insights of Adam Gillette, listeners gain a clear sense of the scope, causes, and likely trajectory of such scandals—both in Minnesota and nationwide.

Transcript

[Mary Walters]

Hold it. Now.

[Adam Gillette]

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[Mary Walters]

Hey, welcome to the Rob Carson Show. I am Mary Walters sitting in for Rob. I will be with you you on Friday. They're gonna give me a couple hours off tomorrow, which is very nice. So I'll get a couple hours off tomorrow and then in the afternoon, I'll start putting together Friday show because I do two doing several shows during the week. So I will do that. So I'll be back with you on Friday. Monday. I will not be here with you. No, not be here with you on, on Monday. And I'll tell you why coming out because it's probably something we can talk about, but we do have Ken, Ken did a great job. We have Adam Gillette joining us from Accuracy IN Media at the bottom of the hour here, discuss the Minnesota fraud scandal and whether anybody's going to go to jail because I don't think they will. And we'll never recoup the money. Yay, American taxpayers. And then next hour, EJ And Tony from Heritage joins us. He's economist extraordinaire. We're going to discuss the anticipated effects of the big beautiful bill in 2026 and also some good numbers coming out and some reduced gas prices. Trump's budget seems to be moving in the right direction. And he said if you let me roll up my plan, it's going to work, going to see some improvements in 2026. And I'm just hoping there's enough of an improvement. We'll find out from EJ in order to affect the midterms. So, you know, everybody's complaining about health care, Right. And you can join me 8009-2266-8080-0922-6680. If you can't make a phone call, you can just reach out to me on X. It's Mary Walter Radio. There's no S. Just tag me in a post and I will try to get to it in a timely fashion while we're so I thought you might want to talk about this, everybody on X, because the left is all about health care, right? They're like, oh, yeah, it's health care is terrible. Health care, health care, healthcare. And what I I found something that was really interesting. And let me bring it up. Representative Eric Burleson. He is a Congressman representing Missouri's 7th congressional district, and he's part of oversight and part of the Freedom Caucus. And here's what he posted. He said, ACA quote, coverage is a taxpayer funded illusion. In 2014, enrollees paid 32% of their premiums. Today they pay just 7%. Taxpayers now cover 93% and millions are not even eligible. This isn't health care, it's a subsidy scam. Now I want to go into this because the reason why I'm not going to be here on Monday is last week, the beginning of last week, maybe mid the week before my orthopod, my orthopedic surgeon. I had my shoulder reconstructed a year ago November and four months later had a slight accident, really wrenched it. Horrific pain. But I was outside the window of when you should have a problem. So I come in nursing it and I finally went back to physical therapy. And my physical therapist said, something's going on, you need to go back to the doctor. So he calls me and says, I want more imaging. I'm gonna send you for an arthrogram. So an arthrogram is one of those fun MRIs if you've never had. First of all, MRIs are awful. They stuff you in a coffin and they tell you to lay there and just sob. You can't even sob silently because you can't move. So you just like scream internally in your head that you're being buried alive. And so I have to do it with Prince Valium on board. So an arthrogram is even worse because they stick this long needle in your joint. So it's gonna go in my shoulder. And they have this. You gotta lay, it's like an or. And you have to lay on at least the way, the way they do it where I go, it's like an or. And they have like a screen over it because the doctor does it guided by X ray or something or a fluoroscope. However, they look in there, but they're looking in there. So he sees exactly where he needs to get it in the joint and they inject it to get the dye in there. And then you got to walk down the hall to the mri and then they stuff you in the coffin. So I'm doing this. The only day I could get an appointment is next Monday. And I'm working two shows a day next Monday. And the appointment is right in the middle of this show. It was the literal only appointment I could get. So I was like, I'll just do it in January. And my husband's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You are not doing it in January. I'm like, after January 2nd, I have a life again. We can celebrate Christmas. And. And he said, no. He goes, because you met your deductibles this year. Between the two of us, we met our deductibles. You start in January, the clock resets. So everyone who has their, like, we all know this. If you're not on ac, I don't know how they work it on Obamacare. But for the rest of us who are paying for everything, you, if you've hit your deductible, you better get your butt in there before midnight on December 31st. So he goes, it's going to cost us more than you're going to make by doing that show. So that's why we're talking about this is because, you know, think about health insurance is so it's just a mess. And you all know everybody has been in my shoes. This is why doctor's offices are packed in December. You can't get in because everybody's like, oh, I hit my deductible. So they want to get the blood test or the this or the that, and they want to get it done by the end of the year. That's why every orthopedic surgery I have ever had, I usually don't do it in the summer. I know I need it done. And then the fall rolls around and my husband's like, you have to have it done by the end of December. So a lot of mine take place in November and December. And yes, I have a lot of orthopedic problems. I'm klutzy. I break a lot of stuff anyway, so that's what's going. So I thought, you know, this is a great way to talk about health care because everybody's complaining about it. And the left's like, this isn't humane. These people, all these poor people who are on ACA who are on Obamacare, they can't afford their insurance. Yeah. Because they're only paying 7%. They're only paying 7%. But it's so expensive. What do you think is happening to the rest of us who aren't on Obamacare because we make too much money, we work super hard for whatever reason, you're blessed, whatever, not paying it. Right. So I thought, I just wanted to bring up that post by the congressman. And I thought it was so eye opening. And so I just keep reposting that on all of these blue pages. But they don't care because this was never about health care. It was never about health care. This was always about government control. That's what this was. About and they know that if they can get the last seven and this is with the, this is, this is a 7% with the temporary enhanced benefits. The temporary, you can, and Democrats know you can never give anybody a temporary benefit because they get used to that extra money coming in. So they're freeing up money that they were putting on health insurance and they're, they're spending it because all they have to do is cry and they'll take money from us or from other people and throw it at them. So now you have, you're going to have a good number of people who are on fully paid, fully paid government controlled health care, which was the plan all along. You Want to jump in? 800-922-6680 do you feel my pain of oh my gosh, there's only two weeks left in the year and I have to get this procedure, blood test, whatever by the end of the year because the clock resets at midnight on December 31st. Right. That's how that's now I don't know. And what's going to happen with, with Obamacare, they're going to make this permanent. Those temporary enhanced benefits are never going away. They're going to be permanent and you know, that'll be now only 7%. And then down the road there's good, they're going to be crying in two years when they're supposed to expire again that oh my gosh, it's so expensive and they'll get bumps because you know, the price of insurance has gone up and healthcare has gotten so high. So we'll give them even more. And very slowly but surely you will have a class of people in this country that on our Medicare aren't on Medicaid but are on government run single payer healthcare. So we'll have three government run health care programs in this country. Do you see where this is going? It's not going to be long before they merge them all. BERNIE sanders, Medicare for All that's exactly what's going to happen. That's what's going to happen. And you're slowly going to see just private insurance gets so expensive that people move over to the government program because at least it's affordable. And then you're going to see, just like they do in Canada, the doctors which are it's already happening. If you're in private practice and you have a large hospital group and you work at the hospital, you know that they're going to pressure you. They're going to force you to sell to them. Now you're owned by the hospital group, they're the ones making all the money and they put the doctors on salary and then the doctors see the number of patients that they have to see by their metric, no more because they're getting paid salary. So seeing more isn't put more money in their pocket, it's just more. They're working for free at that point. And then you have wait times get really, really long like you have in England, like you have in Canada. That's where we're headed. And so for all you, all the people who are screaming about Obamacare and the premiums, you can't take away the temporary premium. I've gotten used to that and my costs have gone up. You can't take it away. Be careful what you wish for cuz you're going to get it. They will merge Medicare, Medicaid and Obamacare into one big government run healthcare system. And just remember that a government that can give you everything you need can also take away everything you need. And then when they start saying I'm sorry But you're over 55, you're not getting a heart transplant or you're over 75, you're not getting a new knee because the return on investment isn't there for us, you're going to have rationed care just like they have in all those other countries. It is coming, I'm telling you. And what we need to do, in my humble opinion, if you want to fix it and you can disagree with me, you want to affect, fix this mess, put Congress, they have a Cadillac, really great taxpayer funded health care program, they got it all. If, if you want to stop this, make Congress be on Obamacare, put them in the exchanges, make them. And they wrote that out. They wrote an exemption into Obamacare for Congress. Did you know that? They wrote an exemption in for themselves so that they are not subject to the same health care that, that we are and we get to pay for theirs. So if you want to fix this, make Congress participate in the same plan as the little people as the rest of us as the health care plan that they have put together. It will stop, it doesn't affect them. That's the first step and I guarantee you you will see changes. So that's a really long way of me telling you I won't be here on Monday if you want to jump in. Do you feel my pain? 8009-2266-8080-0922-6680 or over on X. I got a lot of notifications. I'll try to run through them to get your messages. Just tag me in a post. All right. And I'll try to get there as ap. There's more coming up. I'm Mary Walter. You're listening to the Rob Carson Show. And welcome back to the Rob Carson Show. So I had some Christmas topics that I was going to do, but Rob did all the Christmas topics when he was here, so he left me with nothing to with do. So I think I have one for later that I don't think he did because it's a new story that broke today. So I think it is one topic that Rob actually left for me to be able to do when I'm working on Christmas Eve. So I was gonna have fun with the Christmas carols, but I know he did that. He did the movies, he did whatever. So. Okay, let us, let's get to some news. I want to go to cut one here. Noah, if you could, if you could get that ready. Cut one. All right. The Supreme Court has ruled against Donald Trump's plans to Federalize and send 300 Illinois National Guardsmen to the city of Chicago. They're supposed to go to help protect ICE agents from violent rioters. Democrats, basically, who are, and a lot of these people are hired by Democrat NGOs. That's a whole nother topic. Let's get rid of NGOs and they assault the officers and they run away and nothing happens to them. And if they are caught and if they are arrested, they go to court and the charges are dropped. So it's a free for all. It is just a free for all. It is an insurrection. There's a word that hasn't been used in a while. It's, it's an insurrection. So in October, Trump had wanted to deploy the National Guard to assist ICE agents, but a federal judge blocked the effort with a temporary restraining order. Now, when the Trump administration asked the U.S. court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit to stay the judges order, the panel of judge denied. The panel of judges denied. The administration. They said, nope, we're with them. So then Trump asked the SCOTUS to stay the judge's order so the National Guardsmen could be deployed to Chicago to protect the ICE agents. Yesterday, SCOTUS ruled in a 6 to 3 decision that the Trump administration has failed to identify a source of authority that would allow the military to execute the laws in Illinois. In other words, this is, this is part of the, the deal with the National Guard. The governor has to invite them in. The governor has to request the National Guard or Give permission for the National Guard to be deployed. The president does not have the right to deploy federal agents to deploy military in or the National Guard in a city or a state without the consent of the governor of that state. I like that. That sounds good to me. I like it. But then there has to be a way and the only way I can think of to solve the whole issue with these sanctuary cities and towns. And I've been saying this for years, all Donald Trump has to do is say, okay, fine, Chicago, these other ones, wherever you are, Chicago, if you are in the, in the state of Illinois and you are found by ice, ICE is going to be stationed around the perimeter of Chicago. And if you are caught entering or leaving the sanctuary district of Chicago, you will be arrested by ice. And if you are in the state of Illinois, you better put beat feet and get the to Chicago. Or he could just ramp up the they, he just has to ramp up the arrests in other parts. And it's going to drive these people to the sanctuary cities and states, drive them there, push them there and let them enjoy and experience what everything that they ask for. And when they tell you that they don't have enough money for hospitals, they don't have them because got all these illegals, you don't have enough money for housing or for this or for that, say, you know what, get my, get that money from another sanctuary state because the states that enforce the laws are not going to be financially responsible for you because you choose not to. Justices John Roberts, Sotomayor Kagan, Barrett Brown, Jackson. It was an unsigned order backed. Kavanaugh wrote a concurring opinion. Samuel Alito wrote a dissenting opinion. Clarence Thomas joined in. Gorsuch wrote a dissenting opinion as well. And Alito wrote in his Whatever one may think about the current administration's enforcement of the immigration laws or the way ISIS conducted its operations, the protection of federal officers from potential sexually lethal attacks should not be thwarted. I therefore respectfully dissent. I think Donald Trump is smart enough to figure out a way to give these places exactly what they asked for, make them eat it. And I think he's smart enough to do it. I really believe that Donald Trump can do that. Now let's go to New Orleans and let's see the contrast in Louisiana. Governor Jeff Landry versus J.B. pritzker. Here is the governor of Louisiana.

[Jeff Landry]

Yes, I want to thank President Trump. He is fulfilling his commitment. Him and Secretary of War headseth are sending the National Guard back into Louisiana, into New Orleans. They will be there for New Year's Eve. And they're going to be there for a deployment through February, which we desperately need. Look, we know how to make cities safe and the National Guard complements cities that are having high crime problems. Look at what the president has done in Washington, D.C. when he wanted to send the national guard into Washington, D.C. louisiana was one of the first to raise his hand and say our troops will go there and help you. And the city is so much better. They're going to be here in New Orleans. It's going to help us further crack down on the violence here in the city of New Orleans and elsewhere around Louisiana. And so a big shout out to both of them, thank you.

[Mary Walters]

There you go. So he's like, yeah. And you know what else will happen as you drive them out of these places where they are enforcing the law and you drive them out, you're just, they're just going to go to a place naturally. It's kind of like self deporting. They're going to go to a place as city estate, naturally, where they can, can be safe and live their lives, etc. And you know what's going to happen in those areas. You're going to see housing costs come down. You're going to see costs for health care come down. You're going to, you're going to see an improvement in the economy in those areas. In my humble opinion, maybe I'm wrong because, you know, they contribute so much to the economy. Maybe I'm wrong, but it'll be very, very interesting to see. Coming up, Adam Gillette will be joining us from Accuracy in Media. Let's talk about Minnesota fraud, speaking about a blue state and how well they're run. Let's go to Minnesota with Adam coming up next on the ROB Carson Show.

[Tony Marino]

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[Mary Walters]

And welcome back to the Rob Carson show. I'm Mary Walter, in for a vacationing Rob Carson, who will be back with you on January 5th. So I'll be with you tomorrow and I'll be with you Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday the following week. I have to think. I have to think. Joining us now Adam Gillette, president of Accuracy in Media. You can find him on X at Adam. And it's spelled G, U, I, double L, E, double T, E. Adam, so great to talk to you again on the Newsmax hotline. How are you?

[Adam Gillette]

I'm great. Thank you so much for having me. And yes, you can follow me on X if you could type all of those letters correctly. Good luck.

[Mary Walters]

You know what? I did not change my last name when I got married because my husband has an Italian last name that nobody can spell and they just butcher the heck out of it. Walter is super easy, except sometimes people put an S on the end of it, like, that's as bad as it gets, you know?

[Adam Gillette]

So jealous. Mine is just like the razor blade, but spelled and pronounced differently.

[Mary Walters]

Okay, so it's not Gillette, it's Galette, right?

[Adam Gillette]

It is, yes.

[Mary Walters]

Okay. Okay. So, all right. Sorry about that because I think I mispronounced it. So I apologize for that. Okay, so Minnesota. Let's talk about this whole Minnesota fraud thing. And the first question I want to ask you is, if this was Florida, we would be hearing this non stop. We're talking approximately $9 billion in fraud. And I'm thinking if they think it's 9 billion, it's probably far above this. This went on for years. And when President Trump was announcing his golden fleet, the smallest ship is about $10 billion. So if we get a billion more somewhere, we could buy a tank, we could buy a warship if we wanted to. The. This. It's staggering how much. Why, why does no one seem to be concerned?

[Adam Gillette]

Yeah, you could buy a ship, but some of their Somali relatives might hijack it. Now these Democrat politicians in Minnesota saying, oh, well, look at us, we solved it, we caught them. Wow, how long did that go on before you caught them? How much money was wasted that will never be recovered for the taxpayers. And most of all, what other corruption is going on as we speak? And it speaks to the problem with every major big government program. Even if it seeks to solve a problem that you think exists, government has all of the wrong motivations and all of the wrong measures for success. They define success in a government program by how much money we're giving out. So of course, the Somalis, these people who are more than happy to engage in corruption and get tons of cash, they were dealing with people who, rather than being careful about every dollar, were doing their best to give every single dollar away.

[Mary Walters]

Yeah. So what's in it? Here's the thing is, you know, here is Tim Walls. Am I to Believe that the Democrats didn't know that this was happening in Minnesota when they chose him. Mr. Jazz Hands to run. Excuse me, run with Kamala Harris.

[Adam Gillette]

Well, I mean, let's think about the IQ test. If you're wise enough to decide that you want to be the VP candidate for Kamala Harris, we're all right, you know, intellectual aptitude quite a bit right there. There's a job with very, very little job security. There are attempts working at the mall for the holiday season who have more guaranteed longevity employment than Tim Waltz did as a. But really, as I say, all of these programs have this sort of mess. We see tens of billions of dollars annually in Medicare fraud. We saw massive amounts of money pilfered from COVID Relief, put up by Trump, put out by Biden. And as these state governments grow, it's only going to get worse. I think Minnesota's state budget tripled over the quarter of this century, even though their population didn't triple. And the more they spend like crazy, the more corruption that will occur. The only difference is, unlike the politicians in D.C. they don't get to print more money.

[Mary Walters]

Right. I just think we need to, and I keep saying this because there are so many, there's so many programs that do the exact same thing. We have Medicare, we have Medicaid, now we've got Obamacare, which when they started out, the people on Obamacare paid something like 38% of their. Of the. We were 38% of their premiums. Right. They were paying 30, now they pay 7. So we're eventually going to have a third government run health care program. Right? Because we need three. We need three. And the, and the government's not smart enough to morph them all into one and just say, you know, socialized medicine. Here we go. That's the problem with this. These programs started with good intentions. Feeding. What is it, feeding our children was the one, or feeding our families. That was the granddaddy of them all. And it sounds great, but the numbers get out of control and they're so big. And daycare and another program for Somali children, which I don't think any of these programs should be allowed to be just for black children, white children, Somali children, German children, whatever. It should be for children. But we have so many programs that are duplicated and the government just keeps giving them money. Is there no oversight with that? You know, you're from accuracy and in media, so you know this, you know, because you know what's being covered up or.

[Adam Gillette]

Well, rather than oversight, they're craning their necks to look in the other direction because it's not a very popular, not a very palatable story for the narrative they want to push. And as you say, we should never have programs that are geared after any one specific ethnic group. Our law should be colorblind. It should be gender neutral, much like many of the bathrooms in schools. They shouldn't be hyper focused on these sorts of things. And it's hysterically ridiculous to see the this in Minnesota. You know, these leftists think that they need to atone for the tins of slip, for the sins of slavery. But in reality, this is a state that was settled by Lutherans from Germany that never owned any slaves. And their money is given to Somalis, not former South Carolinian slaves. It's given to Somalis who were never slaves in America. It's utterly ridiculous. You couldn't make up anything as a joke, as laughable as what they're doing there. And naturally, of course, it leads to corruption.

[Mary Walters]

Yeah. Now, 98 Minnesota mayors got together and they wrote a letter to state lawmakers and the governor, Tim Walz, and they expressed their concern and frustration. And they say that the state is slipping economically, which is insane because all this money is being pumped in from the feds, money from states that are responsible and, you know, taxpayer money. They had an $18 billion surplus and now they're projecting by 28, 29 a $3 billion deficit. So they're blowing through this money like crazy, and they blame it on fraud, unchecked spending, and inconsistent fiscal management that has trickled down to the cities. So now cities are facing workforce shortages there. They have, they're slowing their business investment. They have costs rising. So you're going to see taxpayers getting fewer services. They, this, this is inevitable. We've seen this movie before. So what happens here? What happens in Minnesota?

[Adam Gillette]

Well, I get offended whenever they say inconsistent fiscal management. I think it's quite consistent, consistently bad. The problem we're seeing in Minnesota is going to be replicated in states across the country and in cities across the country over the next 20 years. They've got all of these unfunded pension liabilities for firefighters and police officers and teachers, professions that are quite noble. We celebrate these things. But these folks get to retire after 20 or 25 years with 90% of the salary for the rest of their life. Then they quickly get another government job so that they can get double the pension for the rest of their life. And then they ironically move to my state of Florida and they're sitting on the beach while their cities and states are going to be bankrupt over the next 20 years. The notion of rather than focusing on reining in and resolving their unfunded pensions, instead expanding into bigger government programs is insane. You know, the only benefit they could have from that is perhaps they think a Democrat will win the presidency next and they might bail them out.

[Mary Walters]

Well, that's exactly what they thought this time. Like they really thought, you know, going back to, you know, Vice President Jazz Hands, they thought that Kamala Harris was going to get in. We all know that. And this would all be covered up. Can you hang on? We're going to take a quick break. I have more to ask you because you're so much fun. So hold on. We'll be right back with more from Adam Gillette from Accuracy in Media on the Rob Carson show. Welcome back to THE ROB CARSON show. We're with Adam Gillette, the president of Accuracy and Media, on the Newsmax hotline talking about Minnesota and this fraud that has been found just to the tune of billions of your taxpayer dollars and the lack of interest by the mainstream media. It's just absolutely amazing. We were talking about Walls and how he's in this up to his eyeballs. We know that whistleblowers came forward and made complaints and said, hey, this is going on. We know that the numbers were unsustainable. Now we have the Minnesota mayors who are like, we going to go under here. Does Walls escape unscathed? I mean, he was banking on being VP to your point, and there there being no investigation. But I think this is just so massive that it would have come out eventually even when he was vice president. I do, though, think he escapes unscathed.

[Adam Gillette]

I do think he does, based on the time that this story comes out and how closely people are paying attention to, you know, cable news stories at times during the holidays relative to any other time of year. In addition, it's not Ohio, it's not Florida, it's not California, it's not New York. It's not a state with a massive population. It's not a small state, but they don't have a massive population and they're not on the coast. So the national media wouldn't take much of an interest anyway. And because it's not favorable for what the media, mainstream media wants to sell us, they're going to ignore the story. You know, they dislike one, that a Democrat looks better, two, that a big government program turned out to be wasteful and full of fraud and three, that an immigrant group was engaged in bad behavior. Now I'm somebody who's actually pro immigration. Even illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native born Americans. But this story certainly flies in the face of that reality. It's anecdotally, anecdotally horrible and outrageous to see, to think that the generosity we show to people who come into this country and their response is billions of dollars in fraud. And then the trust we put in politicians and bureaucrats to manage these programs and their response is to look the other way. It speaks to a broken system.

[Mary Walters]

It does. Now do we see this elsewhere?

[Adam Gillette]

I mean, we do. Every big government program is corrupt and wasteful. So the more big government programs you have in your state, the more this sort of thing that's going to exist. You know, I think the most big government corrupt program that we honestly have is our public school system. By all objective measures, students are learning less than they've ever learned previously. They read at lower grade levels than previously. They do math, lower grade levels than previously. This is despite the fact that we're spending far more per pupil than ever before in American history. We need to stop pretending that the school system exists as a measure to educate the public and instead look at what they do well. Well, every two weeks, without fail, the teachers get paid every paycheck, without fail, a portion goes to the unions. Every election, without fail, 99.9% of those funds go to big government left wing candidates. Our K12 education system isn't set up to educate children. It's set up to take funds from the taxpayers, enrich fat cat unions and essentially embezzle it to far left candidates. That's institutionalized corrupt.

[Mary Walters]

But my guy, I guess my question is, is this happening right now? We know in Boston for instance, the mayor there, Michelle Wu is, is being investigated for, for fraud that is going on there. There's problems with it happening with two Haitians. There's a Swiss snap. There were two Haitians that were arrested because they had storefronts. One was 150 square feet and it was supposedly a supermarket and was cashing in more food stamps than a large like huge supermarket. And that was going on there. So I think that this is happening in a lot more places.

[Adam Gillette]

You're exactly right because it happens with every big government program. As we said, tens of billions of dollars of Medicare fraud annually. Because the people who are clever enough to defraud the government are always smarter and more motivated than the lazy bureaucrats and the clueless politicians. As smart as they are when they create these programs that the connivers are Always going to be one step ahead of them. It's just with big government regulations, the businessmen are smarter. They're always going to find a way to have it not affect them. It's the upstarts who get hurt.

[Mary Walters]

Absolutely. Adam Gillette, we got to go. I always want to call you Gillette, but I know that's not it. And I catch myself every single time. Have a wonderful Christmas and a great new Year, and thank you for taking the time to join me on the Rob Carson Show.

[Adam Gillette]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Mary Walters]

Me. Don't go away. We got more coming up. And just a little bit more on what's going on in Minnesota. And Adam was absolutely right. You know, this story breaks just before everybody goes away for two weeks. Nobody works, nobody's paying attention. Anything playing Christmas music, Hanukkah, doing whatever they're doing. My friend, I was just talking to my Rhoda, my girl Rhoda, who used to be my neighbor when I lived in Washington, and she and her son are the ones who took me out to Christmas, and we took me for Chinese food when I was had to stay in D.C. for Christmas. It was wonderful. They're great people. She was just telling me about their Christmas celebration yesterday. I'm like, you're doing more for Christmas than I am. I'm going to Mass today. That is the extent of my Christmas celebration this year. That is it. And pretty much every year, because my husband and I are both are both considered essential personnel. You turn the radio on, there's somebody here. You go to the hospital, there's somebody there. You know, your house catches on fire, somebody shows up. So I thought she's like, oh, the gifts were so much fun and everybody was so happy. And I'm like, gifts? You get gifts. Like, oh, man. But anyway, going back to the Minnesota thing, okay? The Small Business association administrator, Federal Small Business Administrator Kelly Leffler, sent a letter yesterday to Tim Walsh. He got another letter, and in this, she said that they are halting more than five and a half million dollars in annual support to resource partners in the state until further notice. In other words, we're not giving you any more money because you have have proven to us that you don't know how to handle it. You are not worthy. She says in the letter that this action is the result of a fundamental breakdown in the public trust. Under your leadership, Minnesota failed to safeguard taxpayer dollars, and SBA will not continue to place federal resources at risk in a state where oversight measures are ignored and accountability is abandoned. She blamed Tim Walsh for making Minnesota the epicenter of the largest fraud scandal of the COVID 19 pand era. That's saying a lot because there's a lot of fraud with that and that recent criminal convictions of Somalis and other figures prove such fraud is endemic to St. Paul's vast welfare curriculum. She cited U.S. attorney Joseph Thompson's calculation saying the Somali fraud network netted 1 billion in its Minneapolis centered fraud scheme and at least half of certain Medicaid funding programs subsidized by Minnesota taxpayers have been pocketed by criminals. Assessing the final figure to be at least $9 billion, she noted the USDA, which facilitates SNAP and some of these other programs, as well as Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant have launched probes into the scandals. At least two and a half million in PPP and economic injury disaster loan funds issued during the pandemic were tied to the Somali fraud scheme. This has been going on for years. Another 430 million in PPP subsidies have been flagged as fraudulent, but they were fund anyway because it's other people's money. We don't care. Send the money out there because I guarantee you it makes its way back into Democrat pockets, including some that were among those loans altogether forgiven by the Biden administration. They never had to pay them back. When legislators and whistleblowers raised concerns about potential abuse during the pandemic, your administration resisted oversight, refused accountability, and allowed the misconduct to metastasize. She faulted Governor Waltz for dismissing some of the criticisms of his administration's generosity as racism. Yeah, that's what they do. They throw the racist card down. Like, I'll play the race car. Play the race car. Because you know Republicans, it's like kryptonite to us. You got to stop reacting to it. People call me racist all the time on X and I'm like, oh, shut up. I don't care. I don't react to it. It does. It doesn't hold meaning for me in that way. All right, coming up, I do have a Christmas topic. Do have a Christmas topic. One that Rob didn't get to because it broke today. And it's about Christmas decorations, where you live and your hoa. If you have one that is coming up on the Rob Carson Show.

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