Mary Walter’s Turkey Hangover Show

Summary

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The Rob Carson Show: “Mary Walter’s Turkey Hangover Show”

Date: November 28, 2025
Host: Mary Walter (in for Rob Carson)
Featured Guests: Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer, Tony Kennett

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Episode Overview

In this Friday-after-Thanksgiving episode, Mary Walter sits in for Rob Carson, delivering a lively, pointed, and at times humorous take on the latest headlines. The episode’s central theme is the intersection of national security, political rhetoric, and public accountability in the current American climate. Walter leads incisive discussions with Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer (retired intelligence and national security expert) and Tony Kennett (Daily Signal investigative columnist), exploring the fallout from a deadly attack involving a former Afghan CIA asset, judicial accountability, and the shifting political landscape—and how both media and political parties are responding.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. The D.C. National Guard Shooting: Vetting Failures & Political Ramifications

(Main segment with Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer, 02:35–19:50)

• Was It a Terrorist Attack?

  • Walter and Schaefer discuss whether the attack, which involved a former Afghan who once worked for the CIA and resulted in the deaths of National Guardsmen in D.C., constitutes terrorism.
  • Schaefer:

    “We now have a battlefront that's anywhere and everywhere… a terrorist act happening in Washington, D.C., when we even have overwhelming force on the streets.” (03:33)

• Vetting of Afghan Refugees After U.S. Withdrawal

  • Schaefer criticizes the post-withdrawal vetting process, linking current violence to systemic failures during the Biden administration’s Afghanistan exit, and highlighting how poor databases and lack of documentation rendered biometric screening largely ineffective.
  • Quote:

    “You have to have something to link that to. So did they scan the people and were the scanning successful? ...but it wasn't matching anything because there's nothing to match to.” (06:46)

• CIA Roles for Local Afghans

  • Brief primer on categories of Afghans recruited by the CIA: linguists, paramilitary ‘augmentees,’ and actual clandestine agents.
  • Schaefer suggests the perpetrator was likely a paramilitary who was useful in-country but never fully loyal.
  • Schaefer:

    “Just because you’re working for CIA, killing folks in Afghanistan … doesn’t mean they’re going to be loyal to you." (09:29)

• Radicalization, Political Rhetoric, and Responsibility

  • Walter raises the possibility that the attacker was radicalized after arrival, particularly in response to feeling abandoned in the U.S.
  • Schaefer politicizes responsibility, emphasizing Democratic policies and rhetoric as contributors, while dismissing efforts to blame the Trump administration.
  • Schaefer:

    "Nowhere that I can see is this the responsibility or fault of Donald Trump, which is what the left's trying to say right now." (11:33)

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2. Political Class Accountability & ‘The Ruling Class’

(13:50–19:50)

• Walter’s Cynicism:

  • Expresses doubt that high-profile political actors (esp. Democrats) will be held accountable, arguing the system’s inherent bias in their favor.
  • Walter:

    “They got two things protecting them. Number one, they're Democrats and number two, they're part of the ruling class. So they're above the law.” (15:25)

• Schaefer’s Perspective:

  • Describes Defense Department willingness to hold individuals to account (possible administrative penalties) but characterized the situation as unprecedented and fraught.

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3. Coincidence or Conspiracy? The Role of Deep State

(17:23–19:50)

• Slotkin’s ‘Prediction’ and the Nature of Coincidence:

  • Senator Slotkin (former CIA) had predicted a violent incident weeks prior; both Walter and Schaefer muse on the significance.
  • Quote:

    “One of the first things you learn in spy school, there's no such thing as coincidence. … How does this former CIA Afghan asset turn up in Washington about three weeks after another CIA asset talks about an event about to happen?" (18:02, Schaefer)

• Deep State Desperation:

  • Schaefer voices his mistrust of the intelligence community, suggesting that as it loses power, it may resort to desperate measures.
  • Quote:

    “The Deep State has gotten more and more desperate. … The more they lose power and control, the more desperate they're going to get.” (19:14, Schaefer)

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4. Judicial Overreach, Accountability, and Societal Consequences

(Tony Kennett segment, 22:12–29:49)

• Judicial ‘Resistance’ and the Intractability of the Justice System:

  • Discussion about cases in which judges dismiss charges against individuals involved in anti-ICE and anti-police violence, linking it to broader themes of progressive judicial activism.
  • Walter:

    “They cannot be held accountable. … They can be as wrong as they want… and there is zero blowback on the judge.” (25:38)

• Potential for Vigilante Retribution:

  • Kennett expresses concern that a lack of legal accountability for judicial malfeasance could drive individuals to seek retribution through violence, referencing historical cycles of extra-legal justice.
  • Kennett:

    “Eventually you will find people who take matters into their own hand… unless these judges start acting with respect, then there is no other way.” (26:38)

• Two-Tier Justice and Cultural Pessimism:

  • Both agree America now has a bifurcated system: lenience for the powerful or privileged (especially those labeled 'oppressed' or holding political clout), harsher justice for ordinary citizens or conservatives.

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5. Media Narratives, Generational Shifts, and Trump’s Masculinity

(31:02–39:28)

• Media’s Biden/Trump Coverage and Generational Cynicism:

  • Walter plays a clip of MSNBC’s Katie Tur acknowledging Trump’s stamina exceeds Biden’s, noting how rare it is for mainstream media to give even faint credit.
  • Kennett:

    “They still get to...waltz out when it's time for the young progressives to stroll in who also hated Joe Biden…then they'll pretend, ‘We've always been honest about age.’” (34:28)

• Democrats’ Struggles with Young & Male Voters

  • Walter and Kennett discuss the increasing difficulty Democrats have in connecting with young men, and how their efforts to promote masculinity look inauthentic.
  • Walter:

    “They thought Jazz Hands Waltz with the high kicks was alpha. And we're like, maybe for you guys, because he's not wearing skinny jeans and a man bun, but that doesn't make him alpha.” (37:03)

  • Kennett:

    “There’s an aspect of Donald Trump as a person who's very self-confident because of how he was raised and his wealth and also experience as an entertainer. … When you put those things together, you get some genuinely good products.” (37:58)

• No End in Sight

  • Both express uncertainty and cynicism over possible “off-ramps” to the country’s current divisiveness.
  • Kennett:

    “Once you get to retribution style violence, there's no way it stops. … Where is the actual—how do we turn away from this? … I can’t see another way out of this.” (29:33)

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Notable Quotes & Key Moments (with Timestamps)

• Schaefer on Vetting and Databases:

  “You have to have something to link [the scans] to. … it wasn’t matching anything because there’s nothing to match to.” (06:46)

• Walter on Ruling Class Immunity:

  “They got two things protecting them. Number one, they're Democrats and number two, they're part of the ruling class. So they're above the law.” (15:25)

• Kennett on Judicial Consequences:

  “Eventually you will find people who take matters into their own hand… unless these judges start acting with respect, then there is no other way.” (26:38)

• Schaefer on Coincidence and ‘Deep State’:

  “One of the first things you learn in spy school, there's no such thing as coincidence… How does this former CIA Afghan asset turn up in Washington about three weeks after another CIA asset talks about an event about to happen?” (18:02)

• Kennett on Men and Political Parties:

  “The Democrat party doesn't get that [masculinity] because that would involve being positive and joyful, and they're too busy going through aggressive menopause, so now they're stuck in that hell.” (39:00)

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Flow, Tone, and Style

• Casual, Direct, Humor-Infused:
  • Both Mary Walter and her guests blend pointed political critique with humor and cultural references.
• Cynical and Pessimistic:
  • Recurring theme: institutions (media, justice system, political parties) are fundamentally broken or compromised.
• Rapid Fire, Spontaneous:
  • Guests respond improvisationally, revealing both depth of knowledge and willingness to “riff” on news and cultural trends.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Show Introduction & Guest Lineup: (01:24–02:42)
• Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer Interview – Afghan Vetting Scandal: (02:42–13:50)
• Political Accountability & Deep State Conspiracy: (13:50–19:50)
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• Tony Kennett Interview – Judicial Issues and Public Retribution: (22:12–29:49)
• Media Narratives, Politics, and Masculinity: (31:02–39:28)

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Summary Takeaways

• The Rob Carson Show’s “Turkey Hangover” edition dives deep into the national security fallout from the Afghanistan withdrawal, with a strong critique of federal bureaucracy and political motivations.
• Walter and her guests’ skepticism of mainstream narratives fuels lively speculation about government motives and media complicity.
• Discussions on the judicial system reveal bleak expectations for reform and a warning about vigilante “justice” if institutions fail.
• Cultural and political observations about generational and gender dynamics highlight current partisan and social fractures.
• Despite the dark tenor, the episode maintains its trademark humor and rapid interplay, creating an engaging and provocative listening experience.

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Transcript

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And welcome to the Rob Carson Show. How are you Noah? Just so you know, I have feedback in my headset so I sound like I'm in Yankee Stadium. So just wanted to let you know that. Oh, it's gone. Thank you so much. So I'm Mary Walter sitting in for Rob. How are you? I hope you everybody had a wonderful day yesterday. I hope you got to spend it the way you wanted to. You know for some people that's being with friends, family, other people, it's like hanging out at home. So I hope you got to spend it the way that you wanted to. Great show plan for you. Ken did a great job. Coming up at the bottom of the hour, Tony Kinnit. You know he's always at 12:30 on Fridays. He'll be joining us 1:35 in my usual spot will be Charles Love. He is the co host of the Cut the Bull podcast. He'll be joining us and at 2:35 of course Christian Toto will be joining us. So going to be a fun Friday but we have a lot to talk about and I want to start off with the big news of the day with Tony Schaefer. Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer, he's retired. He is now the president of Project Sentinel. He was a 2020 Trump campaign national security advisor. You can find him on X AT T. Spooky. And there's an underscore between each letter So T. SP with an underscore between each letter. Tony, great to talk to you and I hope you had a wonderful day yesterday. Welcome to the Rob Carson show on the Newsmax hotline. Hi, Tony.

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Hey.

[C]

Thank you, Mary. And don't tell Rob I said this, but you're both beautiful and more smart than he is. Just saying. So don't tell him I said that, though, because he'll get.

[A]

Thank you. You tell that to all the girls. No, I appreciate that. I want it'll be between you and me.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

That's good. So when I got the new, when we all saw the news, I mean horrific news about what happened with these National Guards, Guardsmen, this, this woman and this young man, they were sworn in the day before she volunteered to, to work so that someone else could go have Thanksgiving with their family. And then this horrific, horrible. I think it's a terrorist, terrorist act. You may disagree, but let's, let's get into this because when I thought I said, who can I get to talk about this? And you immediately came to mind. So I do appreciate your time. Is this a terrorist attack? I guess that's the first question. Is this a terrorist attack in your mind?

[C]

Absolutely. And by the way, speaking the fact that these young folks are signing up, this is they're signing up, Mary, because they believe that the country's worth saving. So that's why she was there. And the fact is this, and I'll be blunt, we now have a battlefront that's anywhere and everywhere to include on to your point, a terrorist act happening in Washington, D.C. when we even have overwhelming force on the streets. So I'm going to link this to something else that maybe you guys don't want to hear, but it's true. The Democrats, the Democrats were responsible for the failed withdrawal from Afghanistan. Joe Biden's policies, decisions resulted in the catastrophic withdrawal that resulted in these, this mass migration, this almost injection of Afghans. And I'm not, I have Afghan who are friends. I've served in combat with Afghans. I'm not belittling them. I'm be middling. The fact that we had through that stream of refugees at least between 5 and 10% terrorists. This is not the first time one of these guys happened, Mary, right there in Fairfax county just a few months ago, an Afghan was in a shootout with the police, with Fairfax county police. There's been other incidents. So the fact is there was no vetting. Cash Patel confirmed that yesterday in a press conference that there was no vetting of these folks. And the Big kicker here is this guy worked for CIA, this Afghan terrorist. And so the question that opens up a whole other set of doors regarding what did he do? What was he trained to do? Why was he not vetted and screened? And why is it within three weeks of Senator Slotkin say. They're saying, the CIA, former CIA member, CIA operative Elise Slotkin. Why does this event happen within three weeks of her saying it would happen from Apache to the Brookings? So it's all very peculiar.

[A]

Okay, so here's where I'm confused. You're right. Kash Patel said that he had been vetted, was not vetted. We've heard from all sorts of people who were involved in this. Some of them speaking on condition of anonymity, saying, yeah, I was in Doha, one of the lily pads, where they sent these people to be checked along the way. But there were so many of them. Some. Some of them had no papers. There was impossible to check, and the administration told them to pass them through. We hear that. But yet there was a report released by the DOJ's Office of the Inspector General in June, and they found, they claimed that there were no systemic failures in Afghan refugee vetting or subsequent immigration pathways. The report reviewed the vetting, screening, and admission processes used during and the evacuation, and they found that the US Agencies followed required procedures and that biometric and biographic screening worked as intended, including fingerprints, iris scans, facial recognition, and on and on and on. So why would the DOJ's OIG say everything was. Was done right? They were vetted, we know who's in the country, and then all of these people are coming forward and saying, that's literally not what happened?

[C]

Well, that's literally the issue is that the DOJ in those days and the IG was compromised. They're going to take information and let me make this kind of abundantly easy to understand for the audience. If you're running people through these biological scanners, you're scanning their eyes and doing all this other stuff that. Mary, that depends on having a database with data relating to where they came from. They didn't have that as far back. Afghanistan had fallen by the time these people were going through the process. So even in the best circumstance, had we had the databases, you would have had to link those individuals with all the scanning of the eyes, the eye, all the other things they were talking about. You have to have something to link that to. So did they scan the people and were the scanning successful? They put the information into a database? Yeah, of course, but it wasn't matching anything because there's nothing to match to. That's my point.

[A]

But this guy, but this guy worked for the CIA. And so because he had that CIA card, he was assumed to have been vetted, right?

[C]

That's correct. That's correct. Well, so the CIA hired people in three categories in Afghanistan. By the way you've talked about my book before, Operation Dark Part, I have a whole chapter on this because we were competing with CIA on ground regarding using some of these Afghans to get to certain places. So let me, let me briefly open up kind of what, what they did. So first category of Afghans for both sides, for anybody, is linguist. You had to have people help you understand what is being said. I don't speak posh to know very few other of my colleagues did. So you had to have linguists. So both CIA and DOD have those. Second category essentially is augmentees, people who are going to be like a ground guide or scout. And I did a whole chapter on when we had to bring someone into Bagram who was going to be a scout for a Ranger operation. And they also enlisted these guys into what CIA calls paramilitary operations. Basically, it's like they copied the Green Berets and they had their own little paramilitary groups to go around and do raids and things like that. They're all Afghan nationals. Third are clandestine assets. These are the agents. These are the guys who basically don't disclose the fact that they're getting paid to be commit espionage on behalf of the U.S. government. And we send these guys out to get inside of the terrorist organization. So those are loosely the three categories of use. We have not got confirmation what category this guy was in. I suspect Based on CIA's comments, the way it was stated, he was the second one. He was a paramilitary guy outdoing things. And Mary, just because you're working for CIA, killing folks in Afghanistan who you consider bad, and by the way, Taliban considered ISIS bad, Everybody, even Al Qaeda, thought ISIS was bad. So if you're hiring someone who wants to go kill isis, doesn't mean they're going to be loyal to you. Just saying. And I think this is where there's a breakdown. I don't think they fully vetted this guy's motivations because they were using him for a limited range of things. In Afghanistan when the withdrawal happened, we estimated then between 5 and 10% of people coming through were terrorists. I think he unfortunately was one of those guys whose loyalty was never to the United States. But he saw an opportunity and he came.

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Yeah, I was going to ask you, you read my mind. You know, what capacity was this guy in? Because originally I thought he had been a translator. I thought it was said he was a translator. But then I saw that he was working with the troops, alongside the troops. So to your point, maybe fighting with the troops. Donald Trump said sometimes these guys just go cuckoo. And could it be case of just a radicalization? After he got here, he had five kids and he's young. He's not even 30 years old and he's got five kids. And they were, he was living in an apartment. They had very little furniture, according to the neighbors. They had no beds. Could it have just been a, hey, I came to America, I helped these people. I came to America and look at the way they just left me and look at the way I'm living. And he was just like, I'm done. And he, you know, decided to turn.

[C]

It's always possible. I have not heard anything about what's come out of the interrogation of this guy yet or his motivation based on anything we've been given online. With that said, there's one side that's been constantly doing a drumbeat of trying to encourage violence against members of our military. That's the left. It is what it is. And if he was radicalized, I point fingers at the seditious six who have been actually trying to contemplate and encourage something to happen. And again, Elise Slotkin said this at Brookings about a month ago in a talk saying she anticipates that something is going to happen. Well, gee, there's a clue. And regarding this guy, why would this guy travel all the way across country to Washington that he did this to make a political point? So if he was radicalized once he got here, yeah, it's very possible. But again, the people who resulted in his bad circumstance were the Democrats in all aspects. And would he come to Washington to basically express his discontent? That's possible. I guess we'll find that out. But nowhere that I can see here is this the responsibility or fault of Donald Trump, which is what the left's trying to say right now.

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Right. And that's exactly what they do every single time. Well, you know, he got his final clearance through, through on when Trump was president. But, you know, a lot of people say these things are just, just rubber stamped a lot of times. By the time it gets to that point, it's, it's just literally a rubber stamp. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes through and, and that's that. And there's no additional vetting or anything. Along, along those lines. And that's exactly what happened. So they're gonna pin it on Trump. And it was his, you know, office OIG who said that, you know, yeah, everything was followed. Everything was everything was being done properly. So they're going to hang this on him and they'll do it successfully because of the media will allow that to happen. But here's the thing. You talk about the rhetoric coming from the left, the violent rhetoric coming from the left. And you know what? So I'm just going to set this up and then we're going to take a quick break and we'll come back. But they are very careful with the way they word things. Right. You know, they're very careful. And I think that they're all going to skate. I don't think anything happens with this, and I don't see them turning down the rhetoric. I'm going to get your opinion on that. Coming up. We're speaking with Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer on the Newsmax hotline on the Rob Carson Show. Welcome back to the Rob Carson Show. Mary Walter in for Rob Carson with my guest Tony Schaefer on the Newsmax hotline. He is a retired lieutenant colonel from The Army, a 2020 Trump campaign national security advisor and the president of Project Sentinel. He is also the author of the book Dark Heart. Right. Dark Heart.

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Operation Dark Heart. Yeah.

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Operation Dark Heart. Okay. I almost said Braveheart because, you know, I get that in my head. So, so, all right. So, so we're talking about what happened with this, this National Guard, with the shooting here. And I wanted to ask, we were talking about the rhetoric coming out from the left. And I have to tell you, just don't think anything happens because of the way they word things. They, they word them so suc and so carefully that I just don't think anything happens to them. What do you think?

[C]

So I do know from talking to certain senior members of the Department of Defense that they are taking this very seriously. If there's something that can be done legally, it will be done. I'm convinced of that. Now, I can't speak for the FBI. I know there's an FBI inquiry right now. But for the record, Mark Kelly being a retired Navy captain for recall, and by the way there, I heard Judge Napolitano, our friend Judge Napolitano, Andrew Politano, mentioned the other day that he says that he thinks there's a law that prevents members of the military being recalled to active duty from being in the Senate. And if it's true, that's Fine. He may not be able to be recalled, but there's things that could be done administratively to Mark Kelly, for example, he could be reduced in rank if he doesn't want to show up, if he says, I'm going to follow the law. And it's like, okay, we can do, we can do a number of administrative things and make decisions without the ucmj. So I'm just telling you, Mary, I'm pretty sure the DOD is going to do something and it's going to be noticeable.

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I just hope they don't get shot down. There's been no member, no sitting Congress person who has actually been recalled to be court martialed. That's never happened. And they got two things protecting them. Number one, they're Democrats and number two, they're part of the ruling class. So they're above the law. They got two counts going for them to keep them above the law. And that's what bothers me here. And that's the way I think, unfortunately, things are going to go well.

[C]

I'm, I know the DoD side is going to go as hard as they can. The civilians, the other folks, the other five I don't know about. I know that the FBI is investigating. To me, there's clearly predicates for them to do something. The statements they made weren't about reinforcing the chain of command of what they should do. It's about creating conditions that there's a belief in the mind of the individual soldier, sailor, airman, guardian, that they have the right to question every order. And they actually said that. It's like, well, you need to start checking with your jag. That's not tenable. Mary, you and I have spoken both on and off air. I've worked for a number of Democrats, presidential administrations that I did not agree with. Policy wise, I did things that were legal directives and orders that I did not agree with because I believed the political outcome would be detrimental United States by doing anyway, because that's my job. Once you take that oath, uniform on, you got to follow the rules. So what they're trying to do right now is break that down so that there's not a functioning military and that that military that exists essentially will question every order to slow things down or create more dissent within the ranks because the military still has roughly the same breakdown of political leanings as we have in the private sector. So that's what they're going for. That's why I just believe that this is the beginning of a color revolution that's designed to Create a wedge between people within the military to create hate, discord, discontent and interfere with good order and discipline.

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Last question. Since we only have about three minutes here, Senator Slotkin, I want to go back to her and you mentioned her.

[C]

Yeah.

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She said, quote, it's only a matter of time before things get worse. By my estimation, we're about two weeks away from a bloody incident that spires spirals out of control. She is a former CIA intel analyst. I'm sorry, but this is too cute by half. I think this opens up a lot of questions because.

[C]

Exactly.

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It comes back and now all of a sudden this happens. I don't know, I. Am I going too far with this? Is my. Do I need to take my tinfoil hat off?

[C]

So one of the first things I learned because I'm a CIA trained operative, Mary, Just saying. I went through the training, I got the T shirt, but I'm not them. Let's be clear. One of the first things you learn in spy school, there's no such thing as coincidence. Just saying. I mean, that's one of the first lessons, those things which are, and we are taught how to orchestrate things and make it look like it's just random or happenstance. Just saying. So, yes, your question is on the nose and you start it, you start asking questions like, gee, how does this former CIA Afghan asset turn up in Washington about three weeks after another CIA asset talks about an event about to happen? Just saying. So ignore that. We can't ignore that.

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So you don't think it's a bridge too far for someone to say that they knew this was going to happen today? Are you, Is it a bridge too far to say that they, that they knew this was going to happen, maybe even had a part in it? I mean, for them to know, somebody in government had to, had to know this, right?

[C]

I don't think it's a bridge too far to recognize that the CIA has been caught in a lot of lies. The Deep State's been caught in a lot of lies. I'll say this to end kind of my view of this. The Deep State has gotten more and more desperate. I believe they've taken shots at the President. They've done a number of things to basically show their hand. The more they lose power and control, the more desperate they're going to get. So I'll ask you in the audience, how desperate do you think the Deep State people like Slotkin and I do consider a member of the Deep State, how far are they going to be willing to go to stop the loss of control they have, how far will they go?

[A]

Wow. And because that was going to be my last question is, would they, would they really go that far? But you're right. But okay. So just very, we don't have a lot of time. I gotta go. But I just, I just don't know if anybody will be punished. And that's, that's what the wild card is to me. Somebody needs to be punished. Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer, thank you so much for joining me. You're the best. I really appreciate it, my friend. Thank you for joining me here on the ROB Carson show. Have a great weekend. Coming up, Tony Kennett from the Daily Signal will be joining us. We'll just get into some other news of the day with him and then, of course, next hour, Charles Love. And after that, Christian in toto. It's going to be a great show. I'm Mary Walter. More coming up on the Rob Carson show, Foreign.

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I was just telling my wife that we had such a phenomenal time in Israel. We've had a phenomenal time on the ground in a couple of places that we've met. And getting to talk to you on a fine post Thanksgiving Friday is, I mean, it's like another helping of sweet potato casserole. You know what I'm saying? It's good for the soul.

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Oh, you're good. Oh, you're good. Were we so. So Tony, since he brought up we did go to Israel together with Newsmax and you were on my bus. You were on the cool bus.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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The bus that the department of the, excuse me, the Department of war said was extra. Not allowed to get hit by an unfriendly fire that's right near the UN and they don't do anything.

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And coming up next hour is Charles Love, who was also on the cool bus.

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Oh, wow.

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We really, you really did pack the house with great guests today. Rob Carson's lucky.

[A]

No, I'm lucky. I'm lucky. Tony, a couple of different things I want to talk to you about. And I know that you know, just so people know, like he has no clue what the heck I'm gonna throw at him. This is how good, this is how good all the guests are. There is a story breaking out of, I believe it's South North Carolina. A man named Miguel Martinez. He was accused of weaponizing his white van. He chasing ICE agents. He fled on a high speed chase through the city and then tried to ram federal agents in an attempt to escape. And he just had his charges dismissed by a North Carolina judge and he's been let out of prison. Now when we have the robed resistance, when we have the robed resistance fighting Donald Trump, what do we do? I mean this, this is the Democrats are very smart. They play the long game. Harry Reid was very smart when he got rid of the filibuster for JuD except for Supreme Court. They knew what they were doing. They packed liberal judges all across the country who are now working against law and order because it's something that Donald Trump wants. Can we the people change this?

[B]

So I'm sorry, I couldn't help but break in because when you said Carolinas, my immediate thought was this exact thing, this exact thing just happened in California with the judge who just released the terrorist who tried to ram a U haul through a blockade of federal officers out on bail. And now charges are being dismissed in North Carolina. Mary, this is an epidemic. This is yet again people who are committing terrorist acts because they've seen others do it. They've seen the rhetoric, they follow along with that rhetoric. So the question is, you know, what do we do with this? You have to make examples. You do. You have to take those who are directly involved with this. We have to quit all of this soft handed niceties. Okay. Well, first is your initial arraignment and then we're going to have three months of that and then another three months of awkward lawyer testimony. No, if you are going to solve the situation, it has to be dealt with swiftly. I think the Trump administration is starting to move in that direction fully. Because otherwise, if you feel like you can just commit whatever terror attack you want and get away with it, well, then that's the easiest and most effective means of putting political pressure on something which is the exact opposite of how this country was supposed to work.

[A]

But see, they're smart. The judges are smart because they know that they're never. They can't be held accountable unless other judges get together and impeach them. Not gonna happen. They can't be held accountable. They can be as wrong as they want. Judges release some of these criminals, 17, 18, 19 times, they go on and kill somebody, and there is zero blowback on the judge. Nothing happens to that judge. They cannot be held accountable. So the system has to change. And I don't, I don't. I don't see that happening. Democrats are never going to vote to change that system.

[B]

So I don't. I agree with you that in a legal way, yes, nothing is ever going to happen again. We've filed for impeachment proceedings on James Boasberg in Washington, D.C. that was done by the excellent Representative Brandon Gill of Texas, however illegally. There will eventually be someone who sees the fact, you know, his daughter killed by one of these drunk drivers, who was mowed over by one of these vehicular terrorists, and who will find that judge and will lynch them. Do I want that to happen? No.

[C]

Will it happen?

[B]

Inevitably, that is where we're going. Because if the legal system does not keep people safe, eventually you will find people who take matters into their own hand. That has happened not just around the world, it's happened in this country. And unless these judges start acting with respect, then there is no other way. And I say that as someone who wants another way. I want them impeached. I want judges to take the blind authority of justice seriously. But if they don't, that eventually someone who has been disenfranchised or their life ruined or someone in their life ripped away from them by one of these judges acting corruptly, someone will take matters into their own hands. And that's when things get very, very messy. Because when you're committing a crime, there's collateral damage.

[A]

Yes. And unfortunately, that person will be held accountable to the strictest letter of the law. They'll go to jail. Their life and their family's lives will be ruined. And these judges will not learn a lesson at all. They're going to be the victim. I'm a victim. I need, I need personal security now because I'm a victim. So I just don't see, God forbid that happens. I don't see the system changing. I'm not as optimistic as you. I don't think these judges learned jack diddly squat. I think the robed resistance feels that they are doing God's work by doing this and they've created a two tiered system of justice. If you have, if you are in the country illegally, you have more rights than someone who is a citizen. They've now tilted the scales of blind justice right. In the favor of someone in the country illegally. If you're a citizen, you are held to the standard of the law. If you're part of the ruling elite, you are above the law. If you have a D after your name, if you have an R after your name, you are treated very, very harshly. And that has now become entrenched in our judicial system. It is no longer fair blind justice in this country. And I don't know how we get that back. I think it all sounds good, but I just don't know how we get it back. I think.

[B]

I didn't say that I was perhaps optimistic at the federal level. Maybe you reach a point where it becomes so untenable that legal action starts getting taken. And I am, I'm unfortunately very pessimistic about the direction of the judicial tyranny in this country because I do think that once you get to retribution style violence, there's no way it stops. And no, no amount of. We've seen this around the entire world. No amount of personal security that some local or city magistrate calls for will end up getting them the safety that they need. And unfortunately for them, especially the people who will be out to commit acts of retribution will not be doing so for, for political terrorism's sake. You know, when, when they're doing it for the cameras, the vehicle ramming that they are hoping will cause major political pressure. It will be very, very personal and it will be very ugly. Think horsehead in the bed style stuff. And again, this isn't something that I look forward to.

[C]

It's a very dark path.

[B]

But I'm, I'm with you, Mary. What's the off ramp? Where is the actual. How do we turn away from this? It's why I'm so passionate about spiritual and cultural revival. I can't see another way out of this. Otherwise.

[A]

Yeah, that's, it's, you know, I'm at This point in my life where I'm just gaming out the odds of me still being alive when it all goes sideways, you know what I mean? And I'm like.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Yeah, I am, I'm at that point. Yeah, everybody hits that point where you're like, you know the odds of me still being alive, pretty slim. So have at it. I'm probably gonna be dead. Don't care about that. Like, you learn how to like, like, I never thought it was going to happen, but it's very true. You hit a certain age and then you just start to be like, yeah, I don't care about that. You know why I'm going to be dead. So it's just like you're running on cruise.

[B]

You're just like, you know what, I'll be out of here by the time it's done. I there were. I can sympathize with that because when I was in the administration at a big Indianapolis public school, I felt that way. I knew my time was coming to a close. I was going to expose stuff in the district. Just coasted out, out. But I think that on your guys way out, you could do what every person dreams to do as a generation. You can burn the whole thing down. And that I want to empower each and every person in generation X and the, the boomers above them to do is help us youths just completely overhaul the system and we'll give them quite a show.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, Tony, hang on. Coming up, I want to talk to you about something that Katie Tour said on the Daily Beast podcast with host Joanna Col. I'm gonna play a little clip for you and I'm curious as to what your reaction to that is going to be. More coming up with Tony Kennett on the Rob Carson Show. Welcome back to the Rob Carson Show. With us on the Newsmax hotline is Tony Kennett, investigative columnist for the Daily Signal. Follow him on X at the tonus T O N U S Speaking of that, I follow you and you don't follow me. What the hell is that about?

[B]

Oh, that's. I'll fix that right now. M A R Y.

[C]

Perfect.

[B]

That is now, that is now rectified in real time. Time.

[A]

Thank you. I do appreciate that. I was, I was a little insulted when I saw that. Yeah.

[C]

But that was a little patrolled.

[B]

I like it.

[A]

All right, let's thank you for rectifying that. It's like my Christmas gift. Okay. Early Christmas. All right, so mess now, I call it mess now because Ms. Now I don't Even know what the Ms. Stands for. Does anybody know what the Ms. Stands for?

[B]

Menopause.

[C]

I thought.

[A]

Oh, wait. Oh, oh, oh. Noah said it stands for Microsoft.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, no. You were being serious. Oh, yeah. Microsoft was the original idea.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I just call it Mess now because now just to me, just goes to mess now. So anyway, Katie turns a host on Mess now, and she was on the Daily Beast podcast with host Joanna Coles, and they were talking about an article that the New York Times did that reported that the president was showing signs of fatigue, which I think is laughable since they never show. They never ever caught on that Biden was president pudding pants, and they couldn't figure that out. But Trump showing signs of fatigue, they're on top of that. So they were discussing it. And I just want you to hear how this transpired and what Katie Turer had to say. Here we go. When he doesn't appear on camera for a day or two days or three days, everybody starts to freak out and wonder if he's died. Remember that earlier this year and he came out and said, I haven't died, I'm still here. But I mean, I think not to be, not to get on the bandwagon and to push back a little bit bit. He is doing much more than certainly Joe Biden did. He is out there in a way that past presidents haven't even been out there. He does give access. He's constantly on television. So I mean, he might be slowing down for him and slowing down because he's getting up there in age, but he is still very much mobile. He's still very much mobile. He does more than the former president. And she goes, I. But did you notice she had to disclaim it by not to get on the bad bandwagon, but to push back a little bit. She actually said something honest and she did push back against the narrative to which I'm sure she is told she has to stick. What's happening here? Is there like it could it possibly be that the media is actually realizing that Donald Trump is doing a heck of a lot more than Joe Biden and they're going to say it.

[B]

I don't know if they're going to get that close. I think it's probably more internal politics calculation. If they have the opportunity to throw Biden under the bus, like by kind of alleging very like, well, Donald Trump's doing way more than Biden is, they still get to kind of. Or did. Then they still get to waltz out when it's time for the young Progressives to stroll in who also hated Joe Biden, you know, your AOCs, your Rashida leaves, your Zoran Mamdani's. And then they get to pretend, well, we've always been honest about age. And then they'll play that clip of Katie Tur appearing to be moderate. This is what they do with Jake Tapper over on cnn. He'll say nine awful, stupid, dishonest things. And one thing that's like, okay, I mean, it's not great, but I mean, you know, it's passable oatmeal. Then they'll trot out the oatmeal as though he's some kind of beating the ground. Honest. Upton Sinclair, journalist, reporter, broadcaster man. And they'll try to tell you that's why now when Jake is tut tutting or Katie tourist tut tutting now, you should take them seriously.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I was just. Because I do think that especially the younger generation, that tide turning and being for Trump and Democrats have realized that they've lost young men and they've lost a good chunk of, of blacks and Hispanics. They realize now that that's a problem. They didn't see it coming. Which to me was, I was shocked that they didn't see it coming because the Democrats are pretty good with, with figuring out what's happening and having their pulse on stuff. It's the Republicans who are, who are always like the deer in the headlights and have no clue. So I go ahead. I'm.

[B]

No, I agree. I think that some have recognized it like you have like James Carville's who recognized it.

[A]

It right.

[B]

Old dogs do. The new dogs don't care. They've been again, they have been raised in a generation where white men bad, young men bad. I mean, you still have people like Barack coming on going, now listen, you need to get out there and, and pay attention to Michelle and Kamala. I mean, you got to get that they lecture the men and now they don't really care that they're gone. And all they really have to get him back is again, Zoran Mamdani going out there and pitching socialism to them and it's not pulling them in. Maybe some of them, I don't know, I all, I guess I'm a little more optimistic there. I don't think they know what to do with men. I mean, it's, it's like Shania Twain after she finishes singing that don't impress me much. And it's like, well, what does impress you, Shania?

[A]

It is funny because, you know, they did put Tim Walls out there as their alpha male. Like, they realized that they needed an alpha because Trump is just so alpha and no one can be him. He is the unicorn. There's never going to be another one of him. But he thinks of things like flying Air Force One over the football stadium, you know, when he's, before he arrives, like, it's so Alpha, he just, that's just who he is. And they, they haven't figured out, like they thought Jazz Hands Waltz with the high kicks was alpha. And we're like, maybe for you guys, because he's not wearing skinny jeans and a man bun, but that doesn't make him alpha. They can't figure that out because they have put down men, especially alpha men, for so long that they now don't know how to embrace it because they don't know what it is anymore. Their women are more alpha than their men.

[B]

Well, yeah, there's an aspect of Donald Trump as a person who's very self confident because of how he was raised and also because of the wealth and the financial freedom and success that he's had and also his experience as an entertainer. When you put those things together, you get some genuinely good products. Now, occasionally you get some Tony, but.

[A]

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I have to take a quick break. So we'll finish this on the other side. Okay, so just hold that thought. You're used to this because this is the time you're usually here. So hang on. And I'll be right back with more from Tony Kennett. All right, Tony, I got about a minute left here. We were talking about how the left has no idea what the hell masculinity is, which doesn't surprise me since they don't know what women are either. Like, Dylan Mulvaney is the best looking woman they have. So they've got a problem. Can they figure it out?

[C]

No.

[B]

And they can't because they don't know what men like. Men like the kind of situation where they walk in, they drink a beer and they go, hey, you know, be really cool. And then they do it.

[A]

It.

[B]

And the Democrat party doesn't get that because that would involve being positive and joyful and they're too busy going through aggressive menopause, so now they're stuck in that hell. Tim Walls is their man, if that's.

[C]

What you call a man.

[A]

Jazz hands and high kicks and the whole package. I loved when he changed the filter and took a, a clean filter out and put another clean filter in in the car.

[B]

It's stunning and brave, isn't it? I. I thought it was stunning. I think it was a rainbow.

[A]

Yeah. Love it. All right, Tony, thank you so much for joining me. Have a wonderful weekend. Always great to talk to you. Thanks for following me on X. I. I do appreciate that.