Rob Carson Torches Dems Over Shutdown Lies

Summary

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The Rob Carson Show – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Rob Carson Torches Dems Over Shutdown Lies
Date: October 6, 2025
Host: Rob Carson (Newsmax Podcasts)
Key Guests: Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer, Jim Gossett, Michael Smerconna, Mike Johnson
Theme:
A humorous, pointed, and often fiery exploration of the ongoing government shutdown, Democratic and Republican strategies, immigration and healthcare debates, and national security, all wrapped in Rob Carson’s signature blend of satire and genuine patriotism.

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Episode Overview

Rob Carson opens with personal anecdotes before diving headlong into a detailed takedown of Democratic narratives surrounding the federal government shutdown. Using humor, musical parody, and spirited guest conversations, Carson critiques Democratic leadership, defends Republican actions, and broadens the discussion to national security issues with Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer. The episode is packed with monologues, media soundbites, and a particularly sharp focus on immigration, healthcare for illegal immigrants, and the crisis in the Middle East.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Rob’s Delaware Weekend & Connection to Listeners

Timestamp: 00:19–08:34

• Rob shares an enthusiastic recap of his weekend at Sussex County’s “Wings and Wheels,” highlighting Delaware’s landscape and friendly conservatism.
• He expresses gratitude for his fans, recalling his journey from food stamps and car sales to radio success.
  • Quote: “I can’t believe I’m doing this for a living. My God, just five years ago, I was off food stamps and selling cars, for God’s sake. It’s remarkable. I’m enormously blessed.” (06:36)
• Describes the diverse community spirit: "A lot of black farmers and a lot of white farmers working side by side. And it was one of the most chill events... just chilling out and hanging and fist bumping. It was just cool." (07:24)
• Establishes tone of gratitude, humility, and connection to the everyday American.

2. Rob’s Opening Salvo on the Government Shutdown

Timestamp: 08:34–12:18

• Carson lambasts Democrats for blaming Republicans for the shutdown, claiming Dems rejected a clean Continuing Resolution (CR) to force through more spending.
  • Quote: “The Democrat Party has decided they wanted to extort more money out of us. [...] You Democrats, you guys are in a death spiral.” (08:41–09:35)
• Paints Democratic leaders as out of touch and desperate: “You think just by being anti-Trump you’re gaining momentum. You’re not, you’re losing.” (09:56)
• Shifts to health care, decrying Democrat priorities for "illegal aliens" over Americans. He shares personal health insurance hardships as context.

3. Media & Political Hypocrisy & Fallout

Timestamp: 12:18–19:15

• Uses a roundtable of media and political soundbites to underscore what he describes as the Dems' contradictory stances.
  • Mike Johnson: “You say this is a Republican shutdown, but it’s Democratic senators who are withholding their votes.” (12:40)
• Satirizes minority leader Hakeem Jeffries’ pressers as ineffectual ("nobody was there") and mocks his repeated attempts to lay blame on Trump.
  • Parody Song—Jim Gossett performs a send-up of Hakeem Jeffries’ rhetoric (15:48–17:06).
• Highlights that mainstream media (NBC) is beginning to challenge Democratic narratives, proclaiming: “Called out by even NBC. This means they’re losing.” (14:29)

4. Healthcare for Illegal Immigrants—Major Flashpoint

Timestamp: 18:01–19:15

• Carson (with panelists) puts a spotlight on Democratic attempts to extend healthcare benefits to illegal immigrants at generous reimbursement rates.
  • Mike Johnson: “What the Democrats are demanding is that illegal aliens that care for them in an emergency room should be reimbursed at a higher rate to the hospitals than American citizens.” (18:31)
• Carson’s rejoinder: “I never got a free hotel room. Did you?” refers to benefits offered to migrants.
• Claims original provisions rejecting coverage for illegal immigrants were written into law by Republicans, now targeted for removal by Democrats.

5. Middle East & National Security: Conversation with Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer

Timestamp: 20:54–36:33

• Discussion with Tony Schaefer zeroes in on Trump’s handling of Hamas and Israel, the pace and strategy of the Trump administration’s foreign policy, and upcoming Middle East developments.
  • Tony Schaefer: “If Hamas insists on staying in power... complete obliteration.” (21:08–21:14)
  • Rob calls for a harder line: “As far as I’m concerned, nuke the B-words, I’m done with them. They should be wiped from the face of the planet.” (24:20)
• Explores the patience vs. urgency in U.S. and Israeli approaches, and outlines regional alliances, the Monroe Doctrine’s revival, and America’s shifting tactics.
  • Schaefer: "You can't use a hammer in every situation... Trump is giving Hamas an extra measure of... okay, dude, really, we're gonna hit you in the head with a sledgehammer and you're gonna be dead unless you comply." (25:14–26:44)
• Addresses global anti-Semitism and the effectiveness of the BDS movement, referencing available resources for listeners wishing for deeper understanding ("The BDS War Against Israel").

6. Venezuela, Drug Cartels, and Domestic Security

Timestamp: 31:11–36:33

• Predicts Venezuelan leader Maduro is near collapse—"I have a feeling that Maduro ain't going to be in power much longer." (31:38)
• Emphasizes targeting cartels' profit motives to break their power, referencing historical successes against Escobar.
  • Tony: “If Maduro doesn’t step aside, his end will be something very similar to Pablo Escobar. Just saying.” (33:12)
• Turns attention to cartel control of the U.S. border and Mexican politics, predicting a strategic U.S. response under Trump.

7. Civil Unrest, Leftist Protests & Democrat “Death Spiral”

Timestamp: 34:32–36:33

• Schaefer and Carson compare current unrest in cities like Portland and Chicago to historic Democrat-led civil strife, arguing the left is driving increased civil conflict.
  • Tony: "We had to send federal troops in Democrat riots... nothing has really changed since the Civil War." (35:04)
  • Rob: “Democrat Party has been the same damn thing. They're standing in the schoolhouse doors now.” (35:30)
• Asserts that the Democratic Party’s tactics are backfiring and signals their impending political decline.
  • "This is why this party is in a death spiral. The Democrat Party is in a death spiral." (36:00)

8. Listener Calls & Closing Thoughts

Timestamp: 37:25–40:08

• Caller Tariq raises the issue of Obama-era promises on Obamacare and exclusion of illegal immigrants, noting the modern Democratic shift on this stance.
  • Tauriq: “Obama made... no aliens will be covered under this plan... Why is it okay now?”
• Carson reiterates that Democrats have lost media and voter control, compensating by appealing to non-citizens (“butter their bread”) and “propping up representation in Congress.”
• Ends segment reinforcing message: “Democrat party is in a death spiral... and they’re losing on this budget battle as well.” (39:25–39:57)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Rob Carson:
  • “You Democrats, you guys are in a death spiral. You're losing, you're losing, you're losing. And it's laughable.” (09:35)
  • "The Democrat Party is doubling down on evil. That’s why Donald Trump said the Democrat Party is satanic, because you really are." (10:08)
• Mike Johnson:
  • "You say this is a Republican shutdown, but it's Democratic senators who are withholding their votes..." (12:40)
• Jim Gossett (Parody Song):
  • "Whenever I want to, I can set him off, Hakeem... Hakeem has got thin skin, he can never win in a war of words with me." (15:48–16:33)
• Tony Schaefer (re foreign policy):
  • “If Hamas insists on staying in power... complete obliteration.” (21:14)
  • “I kind of forecast that if Maduro doesn't step aside, his end will be something very similar to Pablo Escobar. Just saying.” (33:12)
• Caller Tariq:
  • "If they extend American medical coverage to all the residents of South America… why do you have to come here?" (39:15)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Personal Weekend & Opening Monologue: 00:19–08:34
• Democrats, Shutdown, & Healthcare: 08:34–19:15
• Parody Song & Media Clips: 15:48–17:06
• Tony Schaefer Interview: 20:54–36:33
• Listener Call-In & Discussion: 37:25–40:08

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Tone & Language

• Rob Carson’s tone throughout is brash, irreverent, and openly partisan, mixing self-deprecation and heartfelt gratitude with direct critiques and satirical humor.
• Language is energetic, occasionally coarse (“nuke the B words”), and packed with pop-cultural references, parody songs, and pointed attacks against Democratic leadership.

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Summary

This episode combines personal stories, policy debates, and hard-edged commentary, focusing on the federal shutdown but ranging across the political and geopolitical landscape. Carson and his guests paint the Democratic Party as desperate and out-of-touch, while defending conservative positions on spending, immigration, and foreign policy. The show successfully weaves humor and serious political critique, encouraging listeners to stay engaged and steadfast.

Listeners will walk away with:

• A conservative, Newsmax-flavored perspective on the government shutdown
• Amplified skepticism of media/Democratic talking points
• Insight into conservative thinking on national security, immigration, and the "Democratic death spiral"
• Characteristically irreverent commentary and musical parody

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Transcript

[Rob Carson]

Hold it.

[Tony Schaefer]

Now.

[Rob Carson]

You are about to hear the.

[Jim Gossett]

Most interesting, informative, thought provoking and funny show in America on air and on the World Wide Web. This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Rob Carson]

This is the Rob Carson Show. It's Monday, kids. Did you have a nice weekend? I had a hell of a weekend. Oh my God, did I have a weekend. I went to Delaware. Delaware. Oh my God. You know, I never thought when I was a kid that I would like Delaware so much. Not so crazy about the people in charge of Delaware, the state government. They lean way left. But I spent a lot of time in Sussex county, which is kind of like the Staten island of Delaware where, where they till a lot of soil. It's like Iowa meets the ocean. It is. It's Iowa meets the ocean for God's sake. They rain the same one just like Iowa. They raise corn and then they rotate the crops with beans. And I saw sorghum and then I saw hog farrowing units. And in they have chickens, large chicken farms there where they raise chickens and everything, just like Iowa. And then all of a sudden there's the beach. There's the beach right over there. So literally five miles away from the beach, there's corn fields and gorgeous little towns and everything. I remember when I was in third grade, we were all asked as a third grade assignment to write a different state and ask for information about the state. And you know, one kid got a. You got Wyoming. And they send the kid a damn leather bound, you know, friggin thing. It was gorgeous. It was hand hammered and all this. And you know what I got from. I got Delaware, all right? So I write Delaware. I'm like, what the hell? Delaware is the smallest state. It's like Israel in the Middle East. It looks like a toenail clipping compared to the rest of the country, right? And they sent me a dang three fold flyer. That was what I had. And then I had to do my, my, you know, my big class presentation with my threefold flyer that had a stamp on it from Delaware. And it didn't say anything much about Delaware. But I got to tell you, since I got to know Delaware, and I've been going to Delaware for about 20 years now. So about in 2004 we started going to Rehoboth. Rehoboth is very left of center and super gay by the way. But you know, it's pretty cool. And then I got to know Sussex county, went out to this thing called Wings and Wheels. Saw these antique planes and frigging really cool, cool cars and Just had a blast. And I met hundreds of people and I signed hundreds of shirts. I sold my shirts. There I am, merchandise that people want to buy with my logo on it says, don't catch the stupid. And I got to meet so many people and hug so many people and shake so many hands. It was unbelievable. It was the best thing ever. And you know what? I'm looking at maybe putting a tiny home there and going there every other weekend or something, just hanging out and I got to have my grotto pizza. You know, my grotto pizza was as good as I ever imagined. It was absolutely, absolutely glorious. My God, So good. Grotto pizza. By the way, you know, for those of you live near a Grotto pizza, it's kind of like, oh, it's Grotto pizza. But if you don't live near a Grotto pizza, it's like, oh, my God, Grotto pizza is so fantastic. And it was everything that I wanted it to be. It was perfect. It's this tomato and then just a nice marinara sauce, then a swirl of cheese. That's all I wanted. And it was perfectly done and it was amazing. It was amazing. So I had a great weekend and I got to meet so many people and I just. I'm not worthy. I remember when I was a kid and I, you know, would used to, you know, Elvis Presley was my idol. I was a late comer to Elvis Presley. He was already on a precipitous slide into drug addiction when I discovered Elvis Presley when I was in elementary school. And when he died, I was in fourth grade, I guess, and I cried for about a year. But I remember being Elvis Presley. Must have been cool to be Elvis Presley. People come up to you and ask for your autograph and, you know, all these fawning fans and everything. And now I've got fans. It's just crazy. I had to pinch myself. I'm like, I can't believe I'm doing this for a living. My God, just five years ago, I was off food stamps and selling cars, for God's sake. It's remarkable. It's remarkable. I'm enormously blessed. And I. And I had somebody bring out a wonderful gift for my birthday coming up. And, you know, I'm not trying to make a big deal on my birthday. I just shared last night the video that I took of this wonderful little gift that people literally took the time to put together a gift for me. Who does this? Why do I deserve this? It's amazing to me that people would come up and bring me a T shirt. Bring me a T shirt that says make America grateful again. And then has Donald Trump looking like, you know, a led zed or not a Grateful Dead shirt. And then these wonderful people, Kevin and Laura, they brought me a gift bag and inside of it they were. I'm gonna be 60 damn years old. Okay, I'll just say it. You know, it's weird. I've never gotten old before. I don't feel old. I look pretty kick ass, you know, And I'm working, working on it, you know, I'm going to get even better shape now. But they, they, they put this bag and they, they had individual bags of things with 60 and like 60 pennies and 60 Q tips and 60 whatever. And, and it was just, it was thoughtful and wonderful. It was. I, I just, I don't, I don't, I don't deserve it, but damn, I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky. And, and every day that I realized that, that, you know, I waited a long time to get here, man, I was a, I was a, you know, an overnight success after 30 years in broadcasting, you know, and, and you know, as much as I, it was real. It was a hell of a journey. Was an arduous journey. And I'm not saying I'm there completely yet, but there's a reason why it, it lasted this long. It's a reason why you and I, you, we and I, and we came together. Now at this point in history, I really believe it. I believe it more than ever. And, and it was, it just meant so much to be out and see you guys. And somebody just wrote any 66 GTOs out there. You know, there were some GTOs I never saw a judge. I saw, I think, I thought it was a 66, but Astro? No, Tom K, who's one of my rumble guys, we got Tom a T shirt. We got round a pony a T shirt. All you guys who are chatting on the rumble, you guys have been there the longest. And now we've got all sorts of people on YouTube, on Newsmax, chatting, and we've got all sorts of people on Instagram watching the show live and all of that. Saw a lot of cool cars there. And you know what else I saw there? It's an interesting thing because in, in Sussex county, conservative county, it is about an even split. I don't even know what the demographics are, but a lot of black farmers and a lot of white farmers working side by side. And it was one of the most chill events. You walk up and there'd be a Brother with his car and there'd be a white guy with his car and he all just chilling out and hanging and fist bumping. It was just cool. It was really cool. So, you know, despite that third grade flyer that I got, you know, I'm pretty happy, I'm pretty happy that, you know, that I had had the opportunity to go to lovely, lovely Delaware this weekend. You know, it's really weird. My computer shows six, 6:57pm what the hell's wrong with my computer? That is really weird. This lap time of mine is showing the wrong time. I'm gonna have to adjust that. Anyway, we got a lot of stuff to get to and I'll get a little bit more in the, the Delaware thing, but obviously there's some things going on with the, with the shutdown of. The government has been shut down a few days and everybody's freaking out about it. You know the amazing thing, the Democrat Party is spent the entire weekend doing what they do best, bitching and whining about everything. Even though it's their friggin fault that the government is shut down. The Republican Party gave them a clean CR so they could iron things out. The Democrat Party has decided they wanted to extort more money out of us. A $1.5 trillion extort some more money from us because they never get enough money. And then they said Donald Trump is nowhere to be seen. Donald Trump is hiding out. No, Donald Trump won the 250th birthday of the Navy this weekend. And it kicked ass. I mean, he went out and it just kicked butt. He went out and here he is, here he is saying, God bless the United States of America. And then these planes flew over on cue and the crowd went nuts. Meanwhile, Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, the gargoyle, sitting in Washington D.C. together. And he said, yeah, it's Donald Trump shutdown. Do you see? I mean, the Democrat Party, you're in a death spiral. You're in absolute death spiral. And you stay in that death spiral because I'm going with this guy.

[Jim Gossett]

God bless the United States Navy.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Yeah. And all the Democrats can do is, hey, Daniel. Jim Shin. Dan, he's Daniel, Jim. No, it's not. You guys shut it down. Yeah, America's backed. And you know what? If you don't want to join with the 80% who want to march forward and support the country and be patriotic and come together, then screw you. Screw you, Hakeem Jeffries. Screw you, Chucky Schumer. Screw you, ilhan Omar and AOC honestly, you guys suck. You are supporting violence against ICE and police. You supported attacking the police in 2020. Now you're just attacking ICE using inflammatory language, using words like fascist and Nazi that have shown up on shell casings of people who've been assassinated, like Charlie Kirk and people in a Dallas ice facility and now in Chicago boxing in an ice vehicle and attempting to murder ICE agents. And then big fat JB Tetzler, he's still doubling down on it. You Democrats, you guys are in a death spiral. You're in a death spiral. You're not even close to winning. You think you have some, some sort of momentum. You think just by being anti Trump you're gaining momentum. You're not, you're losing, you're losing, you're losing. And it's laughable. And guess what? Nobody's blaming Trump and the Republicans for the shutdown. And most of us don't give a crap about the shutdown. I know there are a lot of people suffering. We don't want them to suffer. They're trying to keep the Republicans are trying to keep the government open. The Democrats want illegal aliens. I can say that now without being shut down to get free health care. And you and I have to pay for it. Even though our healthcare is prohibitively expensive like mine. $857 a month with a $7,000 deductible. My co pay is $50. $857 a month. Meanwhile, somebody can come across the southern friggin border and go to the hospital and Medicaid will reimburse the hospital for more than an American citizen. This is why you're in a death spiral. And this is why you are actually shoving dirt, shoveling dirt in your own grave. And then you've got an AG candidate in Virginia who had texts out wanting to murder a fellow, or I should say an opposition candidate wanting to murder them. And the Democrat Party is supporting the guy. Oh, it was only three years ago when he supported killing this guy and his children. Honestly, the Democrat Party, you guys are so broken. And we are in a period of enlightenment. Not only patriotic, but also with regard to faith in God. And the Democrat Party is doubling down on evil. That's why Donald Trump said the Democrat Party is satanic, because you really are. When you look at it, all things combined from deciding that girls can compete with boys and boys can compete with girls by becoming girls, to, you know, the open border, to, you know, illegal aliens getting free health care. Down with evil. This is why you're going to get beaten into, you know, into oblivion, into the future. So we got a lot of stuff to get to on the show today, obviously. I'm excited to be back. Excuse me. Here's the number. 800-922-6680. This is a Monday edition of the Rob Carson Show.

[Mike Johnson]

Heard Speaker Johnson, as you're just referencing, criticized Democrats for using the government shut down to press for an extension of those Obamacare tax subsidies. But you actually did make a similar point back in 2013, why it's now different.

[Michael Smerconna]

So there is a crisis now that we didn't have then. The crisis is far worse now, I should say, than we had then.

[Mike Johnson]

You say this is a Republican shutdown, but it's Democratic senators who are withholding their votes. Why not fund the government and debate extending Obamacare tax credits after the fact?

[Democratic Party Spokesperson]

America is already too expensive for the American people because of the Trump failed policies, the Trump tariffs. And this will make things worse. So we just want a bipartisan negotiation that addresses the health care crisis.

[Rob Carson]

No, you don't. You, you want health care for illegal aliens because you don't give a rat's behind about the American people. That's why you open the bloody southern border for four years, allowed 20 million people to come in, allowed 300,000 children to be trafficked for sex and labor, hundreds of thousands of women the same hundreds of thousands of American killed by Fentanyl. You did nothing. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. But you know the thing that people don't know? They don't know Hakeem Jeffries. They don't know who the hell he is.

[Michael Smerconna]

And Sally, the average American doesn't know who Hakeem Jeffries is. They're going to see one party controlling the White House, House and Senate and blame Trump and Trump alone.

[Tony Schaefer]

Right.

[Michael Smerconna]

That's a good point. Like how the average American is not going to work their way around the fact that somehow Hakeem Jeffries, who's the minority leader, is responsible for this shutdown.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, nobody knows. They know the guy in the sombrero, but they don't know who the hell he is. They know that people are making fun of the guy in sombrero, but they don't know who the hell he is because he's, he's not going to be the, the minority leader for much longer. Here he is being called out on NBC.

[Mike Johnson]

But let me ask you, because you say this is a Republican shutdown, but it's Democratic senators who are withholding their votes on what is called a CLE resolution. That means no strings attached which is something, quite frankly, leader, that you and other Democrats have advocated for in the past. Take a look. You do not use the threat being.

[Rob Carson]

Called out by even NBC. This means they're losing.

[Mike Johnson]

Shutting down government to try to advance your policy agenda.

[Michael Smerconna]

First thing that the House has to do is pass a clean six weeks.

[Rob Carson]

The awful Harry Reid.

[Democratic Party Spokesperson]

A continuing resolution that is at the fiscal year 2023 levels is the only way forward.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, there you go there. That's the hypocrisy. And then he had this little presser, Hakeem. He didn't bring a sombrero, but he had a little presser, and nobody was there.

[Democratic Party Spokesperson]

It's day three of the Trump Republican government shutdown.

[Rob Carson]

Nobody believes that.

[Democratic Party Spokesperson]

And day 5257 of the chaos that Donald Trump has been inflicting.

[Rob Carson]

I don't think that Donald Trump caused you guys to burn Tesla dealerships and attack ice facilities and riot across the country, try to riot in Los Angeles, among other things. You guys have been throwing a childish, violent temper tantrum that's only gotten worse.

[Democratic Party Spokesperson]

On the American people since the very beginning of his presidency.

[Rob Carson]

You have been trying to make it sound like this presidency is failing when it's been kicking butt for, you know, 257 days. This is.

[Jim Gossett]

I tease him so Jim Gossett, I have heard doesn't please him so. No, it's so absurd. Whenever I want to, I can set him off. Hakeem, Hakeem. Keem. Keem. Some railroad pic of Hakeem. How it did the trick.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, big time.

[Jim Gossett]

Began to steam Whenever I want to. I can give grief to Hakeem, yes, I can.

[Rob Carson]

Hakeem Kim.

[Jim Gossett]

Kim. He has got thin skin. He can never win in a war of words with me.

[Rob Carson]

He's unarmed.

[Jim Gossett]

His comebacks are lame. What a shame Hakeem is so humorful free. You know, it's true that my memes are getting through or so it seems. Whenever I want to, I can really rile. Hakeem. Hakeem.

[Tony Schaefer]

Keem.

[Jim Gossett]

Keem.

[Rob Carson]

That is brilliant.

[Jim Gossett]

Hakeem. Keem K.

[Rob Carson]

That is Jim Gossett, of course. If you want to help out Jim Gossett, go to adrian.com Jim Gossett comedy. Here's Michael Smerconna Shoes right about one third of the time, blaming this solely on the Democrats because it's their fault.

[Michael Smerconna]

While like the Democrats, I'm protective of the aca, their efforts to shut down the government violate my time and place rule. Because Republicans have advanced a clean, continuing resolution. This is not the time and place to litigate health insurance policy. No, the objective should be to fund the obligations already made by the.

[Rob Carson]

You guys said you fixed health care when you pass that Obamacare thing. What the hell?

[Michael Smerconna]

And if the result is catastrophic insurance losses and premium hikes for consumers, the solution should come in next year's midterm election. Meanwhile, 700,000 federal employees are being used as pawns. It's not fair to them and will only discourage others from seeking federal employment.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Michael Smerconna]

As well as damage Americans faith in the workings of their government.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, well, hopefully it'll be a big downsizing in the federal government because of all the jobs that Joe Biden created out of whole cloth. Like 87,000 IRS agents. Remember that? Yeah. Just out of nowhere. There was no need for it. They just wanted more people to go after you and me, that's all. Here's Mike Johnson stating the obvious about one of the things that you don't realize about this, this health care for illegal aliens. It actually, it actually favors illegals over American citizens.

[Michael Smerconna]

What the Democrats are demanding is that illegal aliens that care for them in an emergency room should be reimbursed at a higher rate to the hospitals. To the hospitals than American citizens. Young pregnant women. They want to pay more for illegal aliens than a US Citizen Citizens. And we are against that. The reason it's illegal right now for illegalism.

[Rob Carson]

They gave illegal aliens really expensive hotel rooms in places like New York City for an entire year.

[Michael Smerconna]

Free aliens to receive taxpayers.

[Rob Carson]

I never got a free hotel room. Did you?

[Michael Smerconna]

Funded benefits is because Republicans wrote it into the law. July 4th. Look at don't take my word for it. Look at page 57, section 2141 of Chuck Schumer's counter proposal. It's on my [e-mail] everybody go look. Don't take my word for it. Read their section. They want to reverse those changes.

[Rob Carson]

There you go. Yeah, because they've been favoring illegals for a very long time.

[Tony Schaefer]

Time.

[Rob Carson]

Because they want to replace you and me because they're leaving. American citizens are leaving Democrat states. And so they want to bring in those illegals and count them. All right, so coming up, Tony Shaver, Lieutenant Colonel is going to join us to talk about Hamas and peace in the Middle east, among other things. Don't go anywhere. As the weather cools, I'm swapping in the pieces that actually get the job done. Warm, durable, built to last. And Quinsay delivers every time with wardrobe staples that'll carry you through the season. I call fall the great equalizer. You can put layers on. I actually like the way I look in clothes now, and Quinsay has the kind of fall stables you actually want to wear on repeat, like 100% Mongolian cashmere from just $60. Classic fit denim always good and real leather and wool outerwear that looks sharp and holds up. I've got my eye on their suede trucker jacket. It's perfect for layering and looks really casual. But put together by partnering directly with ethical factories and top artisans, Quinsay cuts out the middleman to deliver premium quality at half the cost of similar brands. Layer up this fall with pieces that feel as good as they look. Go to quinsay.com newsmax for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q U I n c e.com Newsmax free shipping and 365 day returns. Quinc.com Newsmax over the weekend I had.

[Tony Schaefer]

A quick text interview with President Trump focused mainly on his proposed peace proposal or ceasefire proposal with Hamas and Israel.

[Rob Carson]

I asked him, if Hamas insists on.

[Tony Schaefer]

Staying in power in Gaza, what happens? The president wrote back, complete obliteration.

[Rob Carson]

There you go. That is Jake Tapper. He said he had a text conversation with Donald Trump over the weekend. By the way, for those of you who are streaming right now, I put the the meme up there with the QR code so you can order my swag, including the don't catch the stupid T shirts that I was selling it to this wonderful event in Delaware over the weekend in Sussex County. Wings and Wheels. There's a QR code if you want to order. Right there, right there. I put it up there for now because I've had so many people bugging me about it and Ken, my producer, telling me, oh my gosh, people have been getting. So there you go, right there. Get your phone. Just poke right there. Get that QR code. You're gonna see my store show up there. I haven't done a lot of promoting on this because it's really not that big a deal yet, but I know many of you would like it. Don't catch the stupid T shirt. So if you'd like, I'll make it a little bigger here.

[Jim Gossett]

There.

[Rob Carson]

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[Tony Schaefer]

I'm doing great, Rob. Thanks for having me. Good to be on.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Now, so hamas, the, the 6 o' clock deadline yesterday, I guess passed. I was reading, listen to this. Hamas said to demand numerous key terror Chiefs in the October 7th participants be freed in exchange for hostages, which I'm thinking ain't gonna happen because they're not in a position to demand anything. What are your thoughts on that and what should Trump and Israel do about Hamas?

[Tony Schaefer]

Well, I think President Trump is trying to push this deal through. And that is to say he's probably putting some pressure on Netanyahu to kind of be open to it. And I think they've given way more ground to Hamas than they should. I know, helping negotiations. So that's my concern. Now, this is the bottom line. I think Netanyahu and Israel are just kind of saying, okay, we're going to go along, but we know it's not going to work. That's, I think that's what they're doing is like, like, okay, Mr. President, we respect you. We're going to, we're going to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Tony Schaefer]

As President Trump said, they're going to obliterate. Frankly, between you and me, Rob, I don't know why they're keeping kicking this can down the road. Because I know, bro, to me, and the only reason I see them doing this, and I didn't talk to anybody directly, I was in Washington on Friday and Saturday, but I didn't talk to anybody about this. But I suspect that, that if there's any hope at all of getting hostages back, that's why they're doing it. But then again, Hamas itself has said if they accept the deal, it's like, well, we don't even know where they're at, the people who have them. So it's kind of a moot point. I just don't think it's going to work.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I was looking at the 21 point proposal. I don't have it in front of me, but I looked at it last week and it basically says Hamas has to disband, they can't be in control anymore or whatever. And it's their foolish pride and arrogance that they would, would demand that numerous key terror chiefs on the eve of the October 7th anniversary be released. And, and as far as I'm concerned, nuke the B words, I'm, I'm done with them. They should be wiped from the place of the face of the planet. There should be no negotiations. There should be lay down your arms, come out, you know, but that, that, that should be it. And I'm, I'm really, I gotta tell you, Tony, I'm about where I am with these Portland protesters and these anti ice protesters. I just want America to kick some ass, to be quite honest. But obviously it'll be America giving the thumbs up to Netanyahu to get it done. But I hope they do.

[Tony Schaefer]

Yeah. And this is where I, you know, I'll spend some time, as I mentioned, Washington on Friday and Saturday. And I think I see a picture coming together on the Trump side. And this is where, you know, a lot of us are very impatient when we are. And I, yes, yes, I think, I think the big issue right now is how do you get sufficient critical mass in place to essentially expand and increase the pace of doing the work of removing this. So I think, I think we're still in phase one. So with that said, then, President Trump's being a little bit sedate about some of the things he wants to do. Like he's putting his toe in the water regarding Venezuela, pun intended. Yeah. So I think we're going to see a revision of the Monroe Doctrine for those who, I think we've talked about this already. Yeah, yeah, Monroe Doctrine's coming back. He's addressed the domestic issues regarding Chicago and Portland and I think he's moving forward with that. But some of this takes a bit of finesse to do. You can't use a hammer in every situation. I think the same can be said here with the Middle East. Remember, we have eight of our Arab allies who have to come in with us and they're all watching. So I think this is another reason he, Trump is giving Hamas an extra measure of. Okay, dude, really, we're going to, we're going to hit you in the head with a sledgehammer and you're going to be dead unless you comply. And so I think that's why he's Doing it, I think, to help get the Arab allies solidly on board to do what we're going.

[Rob Carson]

It's part of the art of the deal, isn't it, Tony?

[Tony Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

And I never thought. I never thought I would tell Donald Trump that he needs to pick up the pace, but now I'm realizing he's being much more deliberate than. Than most would have ever expected from him. And, and, you know, as much as I disagree, I know there's a reason for it, and I. I would tend to agree with the pace that he is taking that at. But I got to tell you, it's got to be very, very close for. For this. I mean, if Hamas pushes this past the anniversary of October 7th, I could see some bombs going off.

[Tony Schaefer]

Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's like he. He's got folks like us saying, hey, you're doing good, but you got to do it faster. And I agree. I think we need to see these things done because tomorrow is the second year anniversary of the whole thing. And I, Again, I would have never thought this would have gone on this long.

[Rob Carson]

I know, and I know.

[Tony Schaefer]

I think that we cannot permit a terrorist organization, as far as. I think you'd agree with me on this, Rob, they should just release that video.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Tony Schaefer]

About a year and a half ago, where they had all of the. The horrific attacks. I think now is the time to remind the world, hey, you're trying to give a. A group of terrorists who murdered men, women, babies, tortured people, have held people captive for two years. You're rewarding that with the idea of a state. Shame on you. And I got to put that tape out now.

[Rob Carson]

But you know, Tony, there are people even in our country, and I would venture to say even running for office, like mayor of New York, who. That video wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. I mean, really, honestly, we've got people who. They covered up October 7th, a week after it with a faux bombing of a hospital. So, Tony, I mean, releasing the video is going to impact and maybe drive our passion and reconnect us to the horror of that event. But there are people in this world who. They would. They wouldn't even care. The Jews are pigs. Who cares if they killed their babies? Honestly, there are that kind of people in the world, Tony. We've got. We've got around the world a level of anti Semitism the world hasn't seen since World War II.

[Tony Schaefer]

Yeah, well, and that's part of the problem. This BDS movement has been very effective, and that's for the, for the. The Boycott Divest. Yep. And sanction. Yeah. And my friend Jed Babbitt and Herb London. Dr. London wrote a book about this. It's out there. It's called the BDS War Against Israel. Anybody wants to understand what's happened, read the book. It's not that long. By the way too. And by the way, we don't make any money off. I'm just saying is a service. Read the book. It's a good book.

[Rob Carson]

Very good. Listen, we got to take a break. We got to take a break. Tony, we need you to hold on. I want to talk about this a little more. I want to talk about what's happening in Venezuela and then I want your opinion on what's going on in in places like Chicago where they boxed in an ICE vehicle and attempted to murder ICE members. Unbelievable. We'll cover that next. Let's take a break and come back more with Lt. Col. Tony Shaver on the Rob Carson show in a minute. Don't go anywhere. All right. It's a Rob Carson Show. By the way, I put a QR code for my merch on that was dated. The correct one is there for all of the swag that I have. And I've got other designs that aren't up yet. But you'll get an idea of some of the designs. I have the politically correct, incorrect merchandise. Like I said, I haven't made a big deal out of it because, you know, merch isn't the most important thing. But you're gonna see some of the, the don't catch the stupid I'm non Biden area. That was pretty good one that we had up there. And there's some other ones we're gonna be adding more. I've got a great shirt. AOC 2029 is up there. We're gonna do veganism is an eating disorder. We're gonna have that one up there. All of these. But they're meant to poke fun at the left. And also, you know, you can wear proudly your you know, your thoughts about the show. Like don't catch the stupid. Nobody wants to catch a stupid. Lord knows we've had enough people in this country who've caught the stupid the last 10 years or so. We're trying to turn that around. Lt. Col. Tony Schaefer on the Newsmax hotline. Hey, I wanted to mention, and you may have saw the headline last week, there were some tanker ships going overseas about a week and a half, two weeks ago and going toward Great Britain, I guess in the same fashion they did right before Donald Trump bombed the snot out of the Iraq, the Iranian nuclear facilities. I was wondering if that was about possibly going after the Ayatollah or, you know, working with taking out Hamas. What are your thoughts on that, bro?

[Tony Schaefer]

I think it's still about Hamas. I think the Iranians have had to take a step way back. And if you remember, when we first struck Iran, there was all this first off, the dia the general got fired, by the way, for leak.

[Rob Carson]

Gotcha.

[Tony Schaefer]

So, no, I think it's all about that right now. We're going to see. I think that the focus is going to be more on what you just mentioned on our hemisphere, the Monroe Doctrine and Venezuela.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I, I have a feeling that Maduro ain't going to be in power much longer. I think he's teetering at teetering at best. He's got a 50 million dollar bounty on his head in a country where the most popular restaurant is the zoo in Caracas. I mean, the people are poor. They've suffered under this jerk weed for so long. Plus also Trump bombed another drug boat y. So I don't think, I don't think Maduro's gonna be around much longer. What do you think's gonna happen from.

[Tony Schaefer]

So I think the, what we're seeing right now regarding Venezuela and the counter drug is the beginning of a larger, what I would call campaign plan that's been put together by the Pentagon. By the way, I don't want to, you know, give anybody any indications that may not be accurate, but I wrote a book about this. Yes, the last line where essentially the tagline is correct. The drug war is about to become a real war. So that just takes that as what's going on. And I think we're going to be not looking, not only looking at Venezuela, we're looking at Mexico especially. And we're going to examine the routes and methods being used by cartels to both move drugs and money. More importantly, Rob, do you, you know, the reason they do this is they make money. Maduro makes money off. So the moment you start basically cutting off off the motive, the profit motive, that things start changing. We know this because we actually defeated several, the Medellin and colleague cartels to include Pablo Escobar. Remember? We.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, that's true.

[Tony Schaefer]

We've seen this movie. Yeah, I think they've, they've dusted off some of the things we did last time. We're going to look at how we to do it. So I, I kind of forecast that if Maduro doesn't step Aside, his end will be something very similar to Pablo Escobar. Just saying.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I, you may recall the last couple years I've been saying that we need to fly in Huey's with Arnold Schwarzenegger and, and Jesse Ventura, paint some targets. But I don't think we need to paint targets anymore. I think we've got plenty of ways to take out the cartels, their manufacturing facilities, drug lords, houses and whatnot. But there's one other thing. They've got to be taken out of power in Mexico because they run that country.

[Tony Schaefer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob Carson]

And it's about damn time.

[Tony Schaefer]

Yeah. Well, think about this. So the last administration left the border open, allowed. And I said on this show that the border wasn't uncontrolled. It was controlled very tightly by the other side, the cartels. And a control.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Tony Schaefer]

And so that's what has been reversed. And there's been credible articles out saying that the new policies is making life very difficult for these cartels. And by the way, it's going to get worse for them because again, like I talked about the first part of the show for a segment, this is but part of a plan. And I think they're going to, you know, President Trump and company are going to do a really good job of mapping, understanding and then acting. So I think that's what's all coming.

[Rob Carson]

Now, when you look at Portland, you look at the, the antifa. They declared a terrorist organization. You look at what's happening in Chicago with ICE facilities. The left is in the middle of a civil war with us. Yeah, I believe that they are in a war with us. They have already declared the war, Tony. And what, what can we do about this? And we got Democrat politicians who are using words of war that are causing this violence and they are promoting it. What do we need to do? What's going to happen?

[Tony Schaefer]

Well, I reminded everybody yesterday on my X feed that because they were complaining about federal troops being sent into blue cities. Well, Rob, it kind of goes back to the Civil War because we had to send federal groups in Democrat riots. Like, yeah, nothing has really changed since the Civil War. We had to go in and quell anti war because they, you know, Democrats wanted us to stop. Yes, stop. From freeing slaves. So it's like all kind of.

[Rob Carson]

I've been saying the Democrat Party has been the same damn thing. They're standing in the schoolhouse doors now.

[Tony Schaefer]

I know it's not like, okay, well, it's kind of consistent.

[Rob Carson]

It's about keeping, keeping people of color in control. Uneducated, angry. I Mean, my God, it is ridiculous. This party. This is why this party is. Is. Is in a death spiral. The Democrat Party is in a death spiral. Tony, listen, we gotta run, bro. I could talk to you for hours when. Get this podcast up and going in studio and you come to D.C. next time. We're going to do a couple hours in the TV studio. Okay?

[Tony Schaefer]

Can't wait. Thanks.

[Rob Carson]

All right, brother. You bet. Where can people find all your stuff online?

[Tony Schaefer]

Well, just come out to Colonel TonyShafer.com. it's kind of my website. Have all the stuff there. And then, of course, I've got a subscription thing on my X now, people. We do a Sunday night debrief and we're doing a special this month on Spooks because it's spooky. You know, it's October, so we're doing the thing on Spies and Spooky, folks.

[Rob Carson]

All right, brother.

[Tony Schaefer]

Dr. We had Dr. Corsi on talking about the, the ghost in the machine, the whole Russia collusion narrative in the first episode. So people like it. Check it out.

[Rob Carson]

I love it. Take care, brother. I appreciate you. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. All right. It's the Rob Carson show on a Monday after a weekend in Delaware. I got to meet so many of you and hundreds of people came out to meet me. And I am honored. I'm honored to be there. And hopefully we will be out more. I've been talking to some folks at KSCO in Santa Cruz. It is an island of sanity and a sea of insanity and maybe getting out there as well. And back to WCBM in Baltimore and all of that. And the show is growing by leaps and bounds. And, and, and I think the thing that sets us aside is connection and comedy, because nobody else does that. I don't think. Anyway, Tariq in Ellicott City is on the phone. Hello, Tariq. What's on your mind, bro?

[Caller Tariq]

Yeah, I'm concerned about a promise that my former president, Barack Hussein Milhouse Obama, made when he put in Obamacare with the agreement of our Congress that no aliens will be covered under this plan. Now, his political descendants, the people in power right now in the Democratic Party, are moving for that. Well, wait a minute. How come the truth changed? If it was worthwhile to have such a preclusion of additional people coming into American health coverage, then why is it okay now? Why are they willing to.

[Rob Carson]

Let me explain it to you. Let me explain it to you. Because the Democrat Party does not own the media anymore. Nobody is paying attention to the media anymore. The Democrat Party no longer has the ability to steal elections using massive amounts of mail in votes. There are a host of different reasons why the Democrat Party is so much weaker. And also people are moving out of Democrat run states and so they've got to really kiss the butts of illegals to prop up their representation in Congress so they can stay in power and remain relevant. That's why they are depending on illegal non citizens and they're doing everything they can to butter their bread to make sure that they stay where they are. That's it. That's that. That's why the Democrat Party is so broken. Tariq, that wasn't happening when Barack Obama was the president.

[Caller Tariq]

So as, as conservatives, we have to spread that word. In the words of Michael Savage and Mr. Mark Levin, the American. The Democratic Party is out to destroy America. Yeah, it is right here in front of our eyes. How if they extend American medical coverage to all the residents of South America. Why do you have to come here? We'll cover your medical expenses. Now stay in Chile and stay in Argentina.

[Rob Carson]

Okay, Tariq, thank you. Thank you brother. I do appreciate you. I know you're on kind of a jag here, which is cool. I will tell you that the Democrat party is in a death spiral. We have to keep the heavy on them, keep the heat on them because they are failing and failing in a dramatic fashion. Nobody is supporting the the people who are protesting ice. Nobody is supporting antifa. The Democrat party is supporting both and. And again, they're dying like movie vampires. Dragging, kicking and clawing to take us into hell with them. And we're not going. And they're losing on this budget battle as well. Let's take a break and come back. Hour number two of the Rob Carson show is right ahead. Don't go anywhere.

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