South Korea’s Democracy Under Siege — Gordon Chang Sounds the Alarm

Summary

The Rob Carson Show — “South Korea’s Democracy Under Siege — Gordon Chang Sounds the Alarm”

Date: September 29, 2025
Host: Rob Carson
Guest: Gordon G. Chang (author and China analyst)
Episode Focus: Exploring political turmoil in South Korea, larger global trends of leftward political movements, U.S. politics, and China’s rising influence, with humor and commentary.

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Episode Overview

The episode opens with Rob Carson’s signature mixing of political commentary and humor before diving into serious discussion about democracy under threat in South Korea. The central segment features renowned China expert Gordon G. Chang, who urgently details recent events in South Korea that signal a dramatic and worrying erosion of democratic norms, possibly linked to Chinese influence and internal authoritarian tendencies. The conversation situates these threats within a broader global pattern of leftist and authoritarian movements, drawing frequent parallels to U.S. politics and the global struggle between democracy and authoritarian control.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Political Rhetoric and Radicalization in the U.S.

(00:58–14:03)

• Host Commentary: Rob Carson and co-hosts debate the escalation of political rhetoric and violence in the U.S., pushing back at narratives that solely blame conservatives or Donald Trump for societal polarization.
• Left vs. Right Extremism: Carson cites studies on political violence, contending left-wing extremism is at an all-time high, overtaking right-wing extremism.
• Media & Political Blame: The hosts play and critique soundbites from politicians and media figures, lambasting what they see as hypocrisy and selective outrage from the left regarding political violence.
• Notable Quote:

  “Left wing terrorism is now at an all time high... although right wing violence has historically outnumbered left wing terrorism, the pattern has now flipped.” — Rob Carson (03:30)

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2. Accountability & ‘Retribution’ for Political Actions

(14:03–20:00)

• Discussion: The show pivots to the legal woes of former FBI director James Comey, accusations of DOJ weaponization, and broader calls for accountability among perceived political 'bad actors' in government.
• Retributive Justice: Rob and guests debate whether ongoing investigations are just retribution or justified responses to prior abuses.
• Notable Exchange:

  “You better believe there’s going to be payback. And like I said, if you want to call it retribution, I got no problem with it...” — Rob Carson (17:14)

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3. Gordon Chang Sounds the Alarm: South Korea in Crisis

(21:02–29:00)

Background of the Crisis

• Suspicious Fire: Chang highlights a major fire at South Korea’s National Information Resources Management Agency (Sep 26), which took down 600 government systems, “including, apparently, many election records.”

• Potential Cover-Up/Power Grab: Chang compares this event to the Reichstag fire in 1930s Germany, which helped Hitler consolidate power. He suggests President Lee Jae-myung may be orchestrating or exploiting the event to undermine democracy.

  “People are now starting to say that this was like the Reichstag fire of 1933, which enabled Hitler to... restrict freedoms in Germany...” (21:24)

Chinese Influence and Visa Policy

• Visa-Free Entry: With government systems down, 2,000 Chinese tourists are being allowed into South Korea without proper vetting, raising suspicions about possible facilitation of Chinese infiltration.

• South Korean Leadership:

  • Lee Jae-myung’s Position: Chang paints the president as a classic leftist, potentially more dangerous and determined than previous South Korean leftists, with actual potential to end Korean democracy and pull the nation into China’s orbit.
  • Anti-U.S. Statements: Lee has previously called U.S. troops “an occupying force” and blamed America for Japanese colonial rule, adding fuel to suspicions about his loyalties and intentions.

• Notable Quote:

  “He’s maybe even more communist than his predecessors. He’s certainly more determined and capable... He could end democracy in South Korea. He could deliver South Korea to China and even end the South Korean state itself.” — Gordon G. Chang (23:56)

Implications for the U.S. and the World

• Strategic Importance:

  • South Korea is home to Samsung and is the world’s 10th or 11th largest economy, central to the global chip industry and U.S. defense strategy in East Asia.
  • Loss of South Korea would be “a critical part of our defense line” against China and North Korea.

  “If we lose South Korea, we lose a critical part of our defense line... Defending South Korea is very much part of defending ourselves.” — Gordon G. Chang (25:26)

• Public Opposition:

  • Many South Koreans protest every weekend against Lee’s government; majority still support alliance with the U.S.
  • “The North Koreans have the military capability to absorb all of South Korea in days. But they don’t do it because they don’t want to take on the United States.” (26:15)

• Authoritarian Tactics:

  • Lee’s government has allegedly confined his predecessor, Yoon Suk Yeol, to jail, denying medical treatment.
  • Chang suggests the ruling party wants political opponents to “die in jail.” (28:09)

Parallels with Other Nations

• Chang and Carson note similarities to left-wing or authoritarian movements in Venezuela, Brazil, and the direction of the U.S. Democratic Party.
• Guest warns of a “global Marxist movement” afflicting not just South Korea but the U.S. and other democracies, posing existential threats to freedom.

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4. China, TikTok, and Global Social Control

(30:00–33:48)

• China’s Stability & Social Control:

  • While China is experiencing severe economic turmoil, the regime remains stable due to tight social control mechanisms—“the social credit system, 700 million cameras.”
  • Occasional uprisings occur (e.g., Oct 2022), but the Communist Party maintains a firm grip.

• TikTok’s Ownership and Security:

  • Ongoing efforts to separate TikTok from Chinese parent ByteDance, with Oracle possibly managing data, but uncertainty remains, especially around the algorithm and Chinese government approval.

  “There will be probably more than 80% ownership by American companies... Oracle will control the data... but we don’t know about the algorithm.” — Gordon G. Chang (31:01)

• Censorship & Social Media:

  • Chang recounts his own temporary bans from platforms due to “mentioning facts” about China, tying it into the broader narrative of censorship and government control over information.

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5. U.S.–China Great Power Rivalry: Bagram Air Force Base

(33:33–33:55)

• Strategic Chess:

  • Trump’s statement about potentially “taking Bagram back” in Afghanistan is discussed as a way to pressure China, given Bagram’s proximity to China’s border.

  “The Chinese went into a fit about this because it’s about miles from... Afghanistan and China... Obviously we can project power from there.” — Gordon G. Chang (33:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Gordon G. Chang on South Korean President Lee Jae-myung:

  “If he were a communist and traitor, he’d be doing exactly what he’s doing right now.” (24:46)

• On the Gravity of the Threat:

  “This is a guy who could end democracy in South Korea. He could deliver South Korea to China...” (23:56)

• On U.S. Defense Strategy:

  “Defending South Korea is very much part of defending ourselves... Off the coast of East Asia.” (25:26)

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Segment Timestamps

• Opening & Political Rhetoric: 00:58–14:03
• Accountability/’Retribution’: 14:03–20:00
• Gordon Chang Interview/South Korea: 21:02–29:00
• China, TikTok, Global Threat: 30:00–33:48
• Bagram/US–China Rivalry: 33:33–33:55

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Tone and Style

Rob Carson’s tone is irreverent, blunt, and often humorous, even while discussing serious threats to democracy or global security. Gordon Chang’s contributions are urgent, analytical, and deeply concerned, expressing alarm at both global trends and specific developments in South Korea.

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Conclusion

This episode of The Rob Carson Show delves deeply into the ongoing political crisis in South Korea, painting it as a canary in the coal mine for democratic backsliding worldwide. With input from Gordon Chang, the show makes the case that authoritarian and Marxist ideologies present coordinated threats across the globe—from Asia to the Americas and in the digital domain. The overarching message is one of alarm coupled with a call for vigilance, resistance, and renewed dedication to defending freedom at home and abroad.

Transcript

[Rob Carson]

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[Gordon G. Chang]

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[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

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[Rob Carson]

You are about to hear the most.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Interesting, informative, thought provoking, and funny show.

[Rob Carson]

In America on air and on the World Wide Web. This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

This is the Rob Carson Show. I hope you had a good weekend. I. I had a nice weekend. I got to go out, meet a lot of people who listen to the show and watch the TV show and whatnot, and it was really. It was wonderful. It was absolutely wonderful. I ate way too much this weekend. I had two crab cakes this weekend, My God, and they were glorious. This is one of the things that you want to have when you're on the, on the east coast is go to get a Maryland blue crab cake because they are a gift from God. They are a gift from God. I was walking down the street, you know, I'm just, I'm. I'm happy. Okay. That's just. I'm. I'm finally, like, able to breathe a little bit after putting all of my, all my belongings in the. In a U haul, like I'm some sort of kid just graduating college and, and, and driving it across the country behind my truck. I know it's nuts. And then going to a studio in Old Town Alexandria, where I only went once when I lived in Washington, D.C. for a dozen years, and I reassembled, reassembled the broadcast studio in a, in a, in an office near, near the Potomac River. This is my life. It's. It's crazy. And, and I've just been finally able to breathe and, and let go of my life in, in Kansas City and, and like, I was walking down the street and, you know, got these street musicians, and one of the things that I do really well is background Vocals, Right. So I'm just in a good mood. My sister's there with me and this guy's singing Tennessee Whiskey, you know, Chris Staple to Tennessee Whiskey. And it just so happens I do the harmonies. So I walked over and you're a sweet Tennessee whisky whiskey. And I started doing the background vocals. Come on over here, come on over here. So he turns the mic to me. I said, no, no, no, no. I just want to do backgrounds. So I ended up doing backgrounds. My sister's like, oh my God, what the hell is going on with him? But it just was fun. And then I got some applause. I didn't get any tips. I gave them all to him. It was really fun. It was really, really fun. And my TV show was on and we're doing some fun things with the TV show. Going to be adding some elements to the TV show. And then I got back in the studio last night and got back into the show prep and God knows there's plenty of stuff. Major study reveals. Are you ready for this? Left wing terrorism is now at an all time high. A 30 year high outpacing right wing extremism study from the nonpartisan center for Strategic and International Studies concluded that although right wing violence has historically outnumbered left wing terrorism, the pattern has now flipped. Oh really? Since when? Because it's been going on. The left has owned it for a decade minimum. For a decade minimum. And by the way, the body count, the damage is, is a thousand fold. What? Right wing terrorism has caused $2 billion worth of damage in the summer of 2020. 30 people dead, thousands of police officer injuries. Duh. Of course that's the case. Are you kidding me? This is kind of funny. This is Adam Meckler and Scott Jennings on cnn and these lefties are trying to, you know, say, oh, use Donald Trump's rhetoric that's causing all this. That's bullcrap. You would talk like Donald Trump has Talked if the 97% of the rhetoric of the news stories have been negative about Donald Trump for a decade. That they, they impeached him right after he took office. The Jim come Pfizer warrant. Got a Pfizer warrant using a lie about Russia collusion to surveil Donald Trump. And then of course they impeached him and then they put him through Russia gate, which was bull crap. And, and I got to tell you, you know, as far as complaining about how Donald Trump talks, it's all defensive. It's not offensive. The offense comes from the left.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I'm pretty tired of conservatives gaslighting about the current.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh my God, how old are you? Like 12?

[Rob Carson]

The whole environment and Donald Trump's rhetoric, when all of this escalation can be traced back to his entrance into American politics. His claim to fame was saying that Obama wasn't born in America. He was the first presidential candidate to have his crowd chant lock her up about political opponents.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, because she did a lot of illegal stuff.

[Rob Carson]

You see, you can bring up the insurrection even in the past.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No, no, no. You see, cuz people used to get in line at Trump rallies in 2016. I remember Antifa and others to start fights. That's when it started jerky. And then it ramped up when he started running and he was even surveilled by the FBI.

[Rob Carson]

Few weeks my home city of Chicago. He posted a photo of Chicago being invaded by the Department of War. So the broader point here is Donald Trump endlessly deflects and tries to blame it on the other side.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No, no, you, you, you picked the.

[Rob Carson]

Fight, junior, when he is the one responsible for amping up the tension in America. And I've spent all of my.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Really, that's kind of interesting because this is kind of the stuff we've been hearing from the left. I don't know, for the last nine years.

[Rob Carson]

He said he wanted General Adolf Hitler had. President Biden believes that Donald Trump is a fascist. I mean, yes, this sounds like Nazi rhetoric. That sounds like fascist rhetoric. It sounds like white supremacist rhetoric. Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Yes, I do.

[Gordon G. Chang]

And Biden has to get in there.

[Rob Carson]

Very hard and go rapist, racist, fascist.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, yeah. By the way, a couple of these mass shootings, the shooters who were left of center, scribed on their shell casings. Fascist.

[Rob Carson]

You see formative years throughout high school, throughout college, looking to the president, who I'm supposed to be able to look up to and seeing somebody.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

This is Adam Meckler. He's a left wing little toady, probably 22 years old. And Scott Jennings is about ready to take him to the woodshed.

[Rob Carson]

Who's trying to place blame on the left, who's amping up the rhetoric constantly. And yeah, it's not good. So you think it's Donald Trump's fault that a deranged leftist climbed up to the top of a building and shot up the ICE facility not once now, but twice in Texas. I think it's Donald Trump's fault that America has gotten to this heated.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No, no, it isn't actually, because here's a, here's what the left has been about Donald Trump for 10 years.

[Rob Carson]

And let me ask you tonight, do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. This guy's tendency towards leaning towards dictatorship is un American. It is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that Donald Trump would invoke Adolf Hitler the man.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, there's no doubt. It all comes from the left. Dear God. Back to Scott Jennings.

[Rob Carson]

Ace. I think that's no responsibility for the, for the radicalization on the left that's causing this violent outcome. 29 year olds radicalized by online communities and online algorithms. Algorithms. I'm not going to blame that. Did you read his own Trump? But he was caught in a lot of online video game algorithms and all these communities.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh yeah, it's video Donald Trump, but it's video games that use the same words that Democrats have been calling Trump and his supporters.

[Rob Carson]

Ten years ago, Donald Trump amped up the tension in America. So, so, so he ran 10 years ago and this guy. Then 10 years later, somehow you're connecting. Can't you just take responsibility for it? Oh, let's not do the. Like. He has to take response.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No, no, he does, actually. If he's got a mouth off like that, he's gonna have to defend his position. So stop getting in the way there, Mom. My God, are you kidding me? Here is Kamala Harris this weekend at the Congressional Black Caucus, I guess convention or whatever the hell it is, literally, you know, starting a fire again, fomenting.

[Rob Carson]

Violence again at a time such as this, it demands one thing for sure.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, God.

[Rob Carson]

We must fight fire with fire. So cbc, let's get to work. Thank you.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

There you go. Fight fire with fire. There you go. Here's Seth Moulton. He's a Democrat. Once again, after the shootings in Texas where this maniac climbed on a building and shot at ICE officers, ended up killing a couple people. They were actually, they were immigrants, illegal immigrants, by the way. And the ICE officers were trying to shield them.

[Rob Carson]

How are we going to handle immigration? We all hate what Trump is doing with ICE and these mass.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No, no, we don't. Very few of us do. Most of us are cheering them on.

[Rob Carson]

People running around like the Gestapo. But what is Democrats immigration policy? How are we going to take on the challenges of the future?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, there you go. That's once again calling them Nazis one more time even though there's a body count. Honestly not protected speech and frickin done with it. Absolutely done with it. This nonsense has to stop. Here is Hakeem Jeffries this weekend. Of course now It's Jim Crow. The Democrat Party, by the way, created Jim Crow after they lost the Civil War. So they created Jim Crow because they wanted to keep black people in their place. And they did that for about a hundred years. And then Lyndon Johnson came along with a great society and destroyed the black family back.

[Rob Carson]

I've come to the conclusion a few.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Years ago that while Jim Crow may.

[Rob Carson]

Be dead, he still got some nieces and nephews that are alive and well.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

Trouble all around.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Everything's Jim Crow, even though the Democrat Party is the party of Jim Crow. Yeah.

[Gordon G. Chang]

We want to move the country forward.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

They want to turn back the cl. How do you want to move the country forward? You want to keep people in the inner city uneducated, angry and needy?

[Rob Carson]

We're fighting hard to bring people.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

What have you done, honestly? What have you done particularly for the black community?

[Rob Carson]

Together, they are tearing us apart. We fight for the people they fight for. For the privileged few.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, nobody believes that, honestly. Here's at the same convention, Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, being introduced. Listen to this. Because he's a terrible mayor. John Fetterman, who. Who did what you do with your computer when it doesn't work. He had his brain turned on, often turned back on again. He had a stroke. Remember that? And all of a sudden he got common sense. He's like the only Democrat with common Sen. Common sense. He was asked if he was going to switch parties because of all the violence of the Democrat Party, even after shootings where they put fascists on the shell casings. And the Democrats are still calling ICE officers and Donald Trump and his followers fascists all the way.

[Rob Carson]

But I mean, on the left, you've got such extremes. Would you consider switching parties? No, no, I'm not going to switch, but I'm just going to be an independent voice in the Democratic Party. I'm not going to be afraid if people, I mean, and if there are groups attacking a Democrat, you know, the last one in Pennsylvania, then that's. To me, that's part of the problem, you know, in our party. And if you want a Democrat that's going to call people Nazis or fascists or all these kinds of thing, well, I'm not going to be that guy.

[Gordon G. Chang]

Oh, my God.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

He's like the only Democrat saying the obvious.

[Rob Carson]

The obvious truth, you know, independent thinking and views, wherever I happen to believe the truth, regardless if it's the Republican or the Democratic voice. You know, what I think is I.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Got to tell you, and I never thought I'd say this, but John Fetterman, I mean, he, he has the plan to save the Democrat Party. And right now the powers that be in the Democrat Party are destroying it, what's left of it, and it will die. This party is not going to win the midterms. There's no way they'll win the midterms. They're offering nothing in the midterms except for countering Donald Trump. And Donald Trump is kicking their butts on everything about the economy, about the border, et cetera. And here he is. He's the savior of the Democrat Party. Maybe not him personally, but his thought process could save the Democrat Party. And do I want the Democrat Party to disappear? No, I would like the Democrat Party to get some common sense. Otherwise, disappear. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson show. It is Rob Carson show. I was just kind of watching the news feed on Newsmax Twitter feed. It's, it's always excellent, by the way. It is always, always find good stuff on the Newsmax Twitter feed, including my show. There's my show right there. Already got 15,000 views. Holy hell. That is pretty amazing. That is pretty amazing. Democrats already calling for gun control after the Michigan church shootings, even before we know, you know, who died, who got injured and all that. That's your typical Democrat Party. I knew they'd do something insensitive and stupid. That's just the way they are. That's just the way they are. Looks like Jim Comey, the first of many who are going to be indicted for weaponizing the DOJ against Donald Trump and his followers and doing things like l before Congress. Here's Jesse Waters.

[Rob Carson]

We didn't start this. You did. It's coming around and it's going to come around so hard. Hopefully it'll be the end of it.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

And if it's not, we'll just blanket pardon everyone like Biden as Trump goes out the door. I bet James Comey wishes he had one of those. They didn't think Trump was going to punch back. And this is only the beginning.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I think there'll be others. I mean, they're corrupt. These, these were corrupt radical left Democrats because Comey essentially was. He's worse than a democr. They weaponized the Justice Department like nobody in history. What they've done is terrible. And so I would, I hope there, frankly, I hope there are this. You can't let this happen to a country. You know, it's amazing. The Democrat Party called people who protested CRT and transgender lunacy terrorists. But they hate it. When antifa, a terrorist organization, are called terrorists. This is why you Democrats who still kind of want to have a party. You might consider maybe, oh, no, getting some smelling salts and, and coming to your senses like John Fetterman. Maybe your brain needs to be turned off for a little while. It's probably not taking a whole lot of electricity, but. But that's what you're going to have to do, honestly, because you keep going down this road, your party's done. It's absolutely done. Here is Jesse talking about all of the things that they did to Donald Trump. Now this, this also contains a lot of illegality. What they did, using the, the justice system to go after Donald Trump and his followers is very illegal. And we've been waiting like a keg of dynamite for years for this. If you want to call it retribution, call it retribution. I don't call it, call it a tuna sandwich, I don't even care. But you're going to get a tuna sandwich stuffed down your throat. Lefties for doing all the bull crap you did to Donald Trump and his followers.

[Gordon G. Chang]

Is this more about justice or is it about revenge?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Is it more about justice or revenge? To the President, it's about justice, not revenge. It's also about the fact that you.

[Rob Carson]

Can'T let this go on.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

They are sick, radical left, and they can't get away with it. They can't. They can't get away with it. They got away with it for the last nine years using the justice system to go after Donald Trump and his supporters. And they did. There's no doubt about it whatsoever. And they did more.

[Rob Carson]

He never really explains revenge for what.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, listen.

[Rob Carson]

Do they? They arrested a president, his White House chief of staff, his chief advisor, his national security advisor, his trade advisor, his campaign manager, his campaign consultants, his lawyers, his CFO, and even his valet.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

He did that.

[Rob Carson]

They arrested his entire inner circle. Could you imagine if Trump had arrested Barack Obama and everyone around them? And not only that, they spied on his campaign, framed him as a Russian operative, staged a coup, impeached him twice, raided his house, leaked his tax returns, fined his company 500 mil, stripped his business license, tried to stip his name off the ballot and did such a poor job protecting him, a sniper shot him in the head.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

Almost happened. Twice.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

So you better believe there's going to be payback.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You bet you there's going to be payback. And like I said, if you want to call it retribution, I got no problem with it calling it retribution. It is. It is just. It is going after illegality and like retribution, it's going to kick some serious butt. Here's Devin Nunes saying Jim Comey should be consider himself lucky. There are only two charges so far.

[Rob Carson]

I think Comey should consider himself lucky, Maria. Number one, that he wasn't treated like Roger Stone was treated, who had a very similar charge where they actually raided his home at 6am driving. And that was before they had actually called the CNN camera so that they couldn't go and get it all on camera. So that didn't happen to him. Secondly, what also didn't happen to him is what happened to General Flynn, where Comey himself admitted that they ambushed Flynn in the White House, charged him on very similar charges, even though the FBI agents themselves said that they didn't believe that Flynn had lied. And by the way, that information out on General Flynn that they then misled the American public about what was what actually General Flynn said. So look, Comey has long been a liar, a leaker, he's dishonest, he ruined the FBI, he's a scumbag. And I would just lastly say this about this indictment. He's also going to be very lucky if there's not a superseding indictment. But I'd say most importantly, he will be lucky if. If there is not a grand conspiracy charge brought, which is really what should be brought against probably about two dozen characters in the United States over the last. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And I think that's gonna happen. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Here's Jim Gosling.

[Rob Carson]

You call me a home where he cannot roll Locked in his cell every day.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Donald Trump's a good singer, isn't he?

[Rob Carson]

Indictment came down and call me for his crimes finally will pay.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I hope so. The rest of his life in jail. Comey is a crook.

[Rob Carson]

And he lied about me in his book.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, yeah, he did write a book, didn't he?

[Rob Carson]

I will predict they'll vote to convict.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

For the illegal actions he took. Go after Brennan next and Hillary next to the Congress.

[Rob Carson]

He like.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

When call me test defy.

[Rob Carson]

I just got a text. Yep, John Bolton is next.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yay. I hope he's arrested and tried. That is true. He had all sorts of classified documents and everything. Yeah. This is what we waited for. This is what we voted for ever since that 2020 election when. When the election was rigged, by the way. When the election was rigged. And so this is what we voted for. And it's happening. Yay. It's finally happening. All right, cool. And I've got more. More audio on that more subway. Gordon Chang's joining us next. Talk about China and whatnot. He's written a book called the Coming Collapse of China. Hopefully that's happening now. We will check in with Gordon Chang, the one and only, after this. Don't go anywh. It is a Rob Carson show Monday edition. One of our favorite guests is the great Gordon G. Chang on Twitter, Gordon Chang, the author of Coming Collapse of China and Plan Red China's Project to Destroy America. Gordon, how are you in this glorious Monday, my friend?

[Gordon G. Chang]

I'm fine, Robin, thank you so much.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Absolutely. I've got a bunch of stuff I want to get to, including the TikTok acquisition. I want to talk about Bagram Air Force Base, Nepal, what happened in Nepal. I think that, but you mentioned we were texting a little while ago that there's some things happening in South Korea. What do you know that's going on right now, Sir?

[Gordon G. Chang]

Yeah. On September 26th, there was a fire at the National Information Resources Management Agency in South Korea. Apparently wiped out many about 600 government systems. It was at a backup facility, but the systems went down anyway, which is really, really suspicious. People are now starting to say that this was like the Reichstag fire of 1933, which enabled Hitler to tell Hindenburg to pass the Enabling act, which basically restricted freedoms in Germany and it propelled Hitler to absolute control. E.J. mung, the president of South Korea, is trying to seize absolute power. And we don't know a lot about this fire, but people are very, very, very suspicious about what's going on because this means the government, for instance, probably lost a lot of, of records from the last election which, where there were irregularities clearly. Also, today is the day that South Korea is allowing in 2000 Chinese tourists visa free. They can't vet these guys with their information systems down. So there's a lot going on here and people want to know more because on the surface, this looks very bad.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

So tell me about the, the leader of South Korea. Are you, are you saying, because I think we talked about there is a lot of Chinese special forces already in South Korea. You had told me that a while back. So is this, is this, is this a move by China to, I don't know, to make South Korea fall?

[Gordon G. Chang]

Well, it could be a move by E.J. meng, the president, to let the Chinese in.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Wow.

[Gordon G. Chang]

He is, he's, you know, he came to the White House in August. He tried to make nice to the United States. But we know that he abhors or maybe even hates us. We know this because Statements he's made in the past about how American troops in Korea are a quote, unquote, occupying force. And even more explosively, he has said that America was responsible for Japan's continuation of its colonial. Colonial rule in.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Wow, he sounds like a classic leftist.

[Gordon G. Chang]

He is a classic leftist. But, you know, the US has survived three leftist presidents in South Korea, but he is very different. He's the fourth, and he's the one we might not survive because he's more ruthless than his predecessors. He's maybe even more communist than his predecessors. He's certainly more determined and capable than his predecessors. So this is a guy who could end democracy in South Korea. He could deliver South Korea to China and even end the South Korean state itself. We don't know what's in his mind, but we see what he's been doing, Rob, and the direction right now is terrifying. So I can't say that he's a communist. Communist can't say that he's a traitor. But if he were a communist and traitor, he'd be doing exactly what he's doing right now.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Well, it's the same thing they did here. It's the same thing they've been doing the world over. And it's worked actually in Venezuela, and it's worked for now in Brazil, and it sounds like it's happening in South Korea. South Korea is a monster economy, though. Do you suppose that with it being the monster economy, that the rest of the world isn't going to be so, you know, down with. With communists taking over South Korea?

[Gordon G. Chang]

Yeah, a couple things here. South Korea is the home to Samsung. Samsung makes about 8% of the world's most sophisticated computer chips.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yes.

[Gordon G. Chang]

South Korea is like the 10th of the 11th largest economy in the world, and it anchors our Western defense perimeter. So if we lose South Korea, we lose a critical part of our defense line. You know, we don't defend ourselves in Hawaii or Guam. We defend ourselves off the coast of East Asia. So defending South Korea is very much part of defending our ourselves. We do want Chinese to get through that line, of course, and pressure us on the West Coast.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, my God, it would be unbelievable. So let me ask you this. Is there a strong opposition to this. This man? And also, how is this popular support? Do you suppose that would play a part in possibly stopping the leftward motion of South Korea?

[Gordon G. Chang]

There are many South Koreans on the streets every weekend protesting Lee Jae Mo. And in general, the people in South Korea, more than half, far more than half, support the US alliance because they know that it's the only thing that protects them from North Korea and China, our American troops. It's that promise that we have to defend them. That by itself stops the North Koreans. I mean, the North Koreans have the military capability to absorb all of South Korea in days. But they don't do it because they don't want to take on the United States.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No. Yeah. I mean, I can't see the United States being able to just stand back and let this happen. Because I mean, like I said, South Korea is a. Is a very big economy. And they're also, you know, allies of the United States. We will. We will see. What does your gut tell you, Gordon? What do you. What do you think is going to happen yourself?

[Gordon G. Chang]

I think that eventually he will be reined in. But that's just a guess. And sometimes I think it's more than just. It's just a hope. But the point is the ease attack on democracy and his movement towards China and away from the United States is extremely disturbing. This is a guy who is really determined. So it's not like the leftists in the past that we got by. This guy is very different.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You say he's very ruthless. Like he would be. He would be the kind of person that we've seen in previous despotic regimes that left body piles in. In. In ditches.

[Gordon G. Chang]

Yes. Right now he's got his predecessor confined to a small jail, denying him medical treatment. Yoon Suk Yeol, the former president, is diabetic and ill to start out with.

[Rob Carson]

Wow.

[Gordon G. Chang]

And he's also doing this with other people. So I think the Democratic Party of Korea, which is his party known as Minju, wants to see people die in jail. I mean, it's the only explanation for what's going on.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Well, it sounds like the same worldwide movement that has obviously infected the American Democrat Party because the American Democrat Party sounds like they echo the exact same sentiments that this guy does. And this is. This is not uncommon. This. This is a. This is a Marxist movement. And. And obviously it has infected South Korea and it is progressed. We were able to put it back a little bit. We're still fighting it on November 5th. But it sounds like Korea is in the same struggle that we were going through. And they are. It's a much more tenuous situation. Gordon, can you hold on for the next break? Because I do want to talk to you about TikTok separating from Bite Dance, I guess the Chinese Communist Party. And then also I want to talk about Bagram Air Force Base because the Chinese don't want us to get it back. And Trump saying we got to get it. If you can hold on, I'd love to talk to you about that. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. Here's Rob Carson. Joe on a Monday, Gordon G. Chang. On Twitter as well. You'll find Gordon Chang who just joins us on the Newsmax online. So Nepal, they had an anti communist revolution kind of akin to what you, you saw in, in China in 1989. You know, young people standing up, saying no more. And they, they fortunately it looks like the leaders of the Chinese or the, the Nepalese Communist Party were a paper tiger. Any chance of that spreading to, to China, my friend?

[Gordon G. Chang]

Friend. Well, China right now is in trouble and the economy is basically flatlined. The Communist Party is in turmoil. You see all these other crises. The Communist Party is still very much in control because what we have witnessed is essentially their social control mechanisms like social credit system, yeah, 700 million cameras. They're able to keep the Chinese people in mind. But every once in a while the Chinese people explode as they did in October of 2022. And that could very, could very well happen at any time.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It would be, it would be nice, wouldn't it be nice if we, it would finally happen. A lot of concern about TikTok. And Donald Trump said we'll handle it. J.D. vance says he's confident the U.S. has successfully separated TikTok from the Chinese China parent company ByteDance. What have you heard about the, the TikTok situation and, and how safe it is to use without the Chinese commun spying on you?

[Gordon G. Chang]

We don't know what TikTok will look like when it is separated except there are a few things. There will be probably more than 80% ownership by American companies and a company from the Gulf Persian Gulf. We know that Oracle will control the data, which is good, but we don't know about the algorithm. There's been a lot of talk about this but we have yet to see any details. China has not yet indicated it is approved the Tick tock deal that was announced by President Trump. So there again there is real uncertainty.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, we will see. I was excited. I don't know if you, had you ever been banned from YouTube or taken off of YouTube before because the, the people who own YouTube decided to let people who had been censored for Covid, like Dan Bongino back on the platform. That was kind of a big move. It was more about, it wasn't just about COVID There were a host of other things but they they used the COVID as, as an excuse, I guess, to make things right. Did you ever go through any of that with social media five years ago and, and have it still continue to now?

[Gordon G. Chang]

Well, pre Musk, I was taken off tick tock for a little while for a reason which I think was unjustified. I was talking about Chinese students and actually just mentioned mentioning facts, but these were facts that the people who are running YouTube that was the Dorsey era didn't like.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

So of course. But well, yeah, that's, that's what they did. They, they called, you know what we do, we, we believe disinformation. Disinformation. You know, same kind of thing happened with Mao's Cultural Revolution and all that. Let's wrap things up with Bagram. Donald Trump talking about taking Bagram back and apparently that's got the Chinese Communist Party a little has their panties in a bunch to say the that's not very far from China and it was a major base for the United States. What do you think is going to happen?

[Gordon G. Chang]

I'm not sure that we'll get Bagram back, but I think what Trump will do is use that as leverage against China. And you're right, the Chinese went into a fit about this because it's about miles from the border between Afghanistan and China and obviously we can project power from there. And they were not happy about that. So I'm very glad, glad that President Trump mentioned this and it was great that he did it.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, yeah. Just say it's like, I don't know, you guys buying farmland in America. We'll just call it like that. It's like us buying farmland in Afghanistan next to China. We will see what happens. Gordon Chang, thanks for joining me today. I appreciate you very much. Obviously you are on Twitter at Gordon G. Chang. Where else can people find you on the web, sir?

[Gordon G. Chang]

I archive my articles for free at www.gordon C-H-A-N g dot com.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

All right, Gordon, have a glorious day. Thank you for joining me today. I appreciate you.

[Gordon G. Chang]

Thanks, Rob.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Righty. You bet. You bet. You bet. So I want to go back to the, the Jim Comey indictment, which I guess on October the ninth he's supposed to appear, hopefully, you know, get his mug shot. Wouldn't be nice to have his mug shot. Matt Taibi is journalist who now I admire greatly. You know, there were several journalists who really crystallized while America was being censored and really were able to look beyond party and politics and do journalism as it was meant to be. People like Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger did a brilliant job of that. They did the Twitter files. You may recall, when Jack Dorsey owned her own Twitter, it was censored 100% against conservative thought. I mean, everything, whether it be the border, whether it be Covid, whether it be Joe Biden's brain not working, whether it be Hunter Biden's laptop. It was a pure tool of the federal government. In fact, the chief counsel for the FBI left the FBI to work for Twitter in 2018. So the FBI had direct and deep tentacles into Twitter to censor you and me. And, and they, they got away with it for a little while, but there was going to be some hell to pay. Here is Matt Taibbi talking about Jim Comey and the fact that more are coming. And for those of you who voted for it, like me, things are coming in the coverage.

[Rob Carson]

It's been kind of amazing that there's been so little attention paid to the substance of these charges. One of them is making the statement before Congress that he never authorized a third party to speak anonymously to the media. There's an entire inspector general's report about James Comey doing just that. It's called James Comey disclosing unauthorized sensitive information. And as you mentioned, it involved Dan Richmond, the Columbia professor. This is well documented. At the time it was happening, pretty much everybody.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's why the left and the media are saying this is retribution, this is revenge. They started saying that a couple years ago when they recognized that what Comey was doing was breaking the law.

[Rob Carson]

And media knew that this was a good what's going on. They had the audacity to have this.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Person, but it was breaking the law to go after Donald Trump. So they were able to look the other way.

[Rob Carson]

Quoted on the record as he was giving away classified information. So it's. I don't think that part of the case is complicated.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Coming up, Matt has a description of the scope of the charges. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Rob Carson]

What is the substance of these lies? What were they? These news stories that were put out.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

There, Matt Taibbi talking about Jim Comey.

[Rob Carson]

Lying before Congress that were leaked to the press. The thrust of them was that Donald Trump was under the throes of a foreign government. He was a Russian agent. Think of the national security implications of implying that your own president is a spy for a foreign country.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

They really put us in a very, very dangerous predicament with Russia when they lied about Donald Trump colluding with Russia.

[Rob Carson]

Would that be tolerated in any normal country. You cannot let that go on. You can't have an FBI director doing these kinds of things and engaging these sorts of.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's why Chris Wright needs to go to jail, too.

[Rob Carson]

Manipulations and lying to Congress about it and getting away with it. Yeah, he basically framed him as a traitor. And what's the punishment for treason? We all know what that is. I mean, this is the worst thing you can possibly do. You know, James is a little bit of a drama queen.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah. By the way, here's Nancy Pelosi. She wanted Donald Trump to go to jail. So did all the Democrats. They wanted Donald Trump to go to jail even though the charges were nonsensical. Tonight, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi escalating her words. 2019 Words against the president.

[Rob Carson]

Politico reporting that during a meeting because.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You see, they wanted to steal the election and they did. Tuesday, she was pressed by Judiciary Committee.

[Rob Carson]

Chairman Jerry Nadler to start impeachment proceedings.

[Gordon G. Chang]

NBC News has learned from a congressional source.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, they already impeached it back in 2016 for nothing.

[Gordon G. Chang]

The room. Pelosi then said about the president, I don't want to see him impeached. I want to see him in prison.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah. And see, now we want the people who did that to go to prison, too. Pelosi has indicated she wants the president.

[Rob Carson]

Prosecuted after leaving office.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, that's what she wanted. But. And they did, by the way. They did. They did five cases, nonsensical cases, where they tried to take Donald Trump's freedom and his fortune and. And then they tried to kill him.

[Rob Carson]

Pelosi is facing pushback from a growing.

[Gordon G. Chang]

Number of Democrats calling for an impeach inquiry.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Up to 60 House members.

[Rob Carson]

But Pelosi insists it's too soon.

[Gordon G. Chang]

We're following the facts. We'll take them where they lead us.

[Rob Carson]

According to Politico. Judiciary Chairman.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, they went ahead and beats him after he left office. And it was bullcrap. Yeah, this. This is why we. We want justice. And if you want to call it retribution, hells to the retribution. Sure, why not? You know why? Because these are evil people who permit. Who did evil acts that were illeg. Was a grand conspiracy and, and fan, meet feces. Feces, meet fan, as far as I'm concerned. Because we have waited a very long time and suffered many abuses and usurpations along the way. Worse than the founders could have ever predicted. And guess what? It's payback time. Last hour of the Rob Carson show coming up next. Don't go anywhere Fall is all about cozy comforts and with herobred, you can.

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