The Fall of the Democrat Machine

Summary

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The Rob Carson Show

Episode: "The Fall of the Democrat Machine"
Date: May 21, 2026
Host: Rob Carson
Guest: Luke Rosiak (Daily Wire), various callers, commentary by Burgess Owens, Representative Brandon Johnson

Episode Overview

This episode of The Rob Carson Show dives into what Carson frames as the unraveling of longstanding Democratic political structures in urban America, particularly focusing on racial politics, gerrymandering, and systemic fraud in welfare programs like Medicaid. Featuring humorous commentary, political parodies, and a deep-dive interview with investigative journalist Luke Rosiak, the episode blends satire and serious critique to challenge the efficacy and ethics of Democratic governance in cities and states. The conversation spotlights recent Supreme Court decisions, the political maneuvering of the NAACP and Congressional Black Caucus, and allegations of Medicaid fraud tied to immigrant groups in Ohio and other states.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Racial Politics, Gerrymandering, and Inner Cities

(00:50–06:59)

• Supreme Court Decision on Race-Based Districts:
  Carson criticizes Democratic politicians for their reaction to the decision, calling racially gerrymandered districts "hotbeds of poverty, crime, poor schools, grievance and dependence."

  “The Supreme Court said enough is enough. We cannot gerrymander districts according to race and expect, but say basically expecting black people to vote Democrat. That’s what they expect.” – Rob Carson (02:08)

• Parody & Montage:
  Carson plays a montage illustrating what he sees as Democratic pandering to black voters.

  “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.” – Montage excerpt, quoting Joe Biden (03:13)

• Black Voters and Political Identity:
  Carson and a guest discuss how political allegiance is tied to racial identity, challenging the narrative that black Americans must support Democrats.

  “Only black people. The way we vote is tied to our identity. And there is nothing more personal than your identity.” – Guest (03:38)

2. Response to NAACP’s Boycott Call

(06:00–09:57)

• Pushback on NAACP Boycott Efforts:
  Carson ridicules calls by the NAACP for black college athletes to boycott SEC schools in response to the Supreme Court ruling.

  “Nobody’s going to do it. It’s so beyond stupid at this point. It’s trying to rally people for nothing.” – Rob Carson (06:34)

• Burgess Owens’ Critique of Black Leadership:
  Utah Congressman and former NFL player Burgess Owens blasts black leaders for prioritizing elitism over real community needs.

  “You have black leaders telling young black people to give up on your dreams because if you don’t, they might have to give up on theirs.” – Burgess Owens (07:26)

3. Reparations Debate & Political Exploitation

(09:57–12:59)

• Ayanna Pressley and Reparations:
  Carson plays and mocks recent statements by Rep. Ayanna Pressley about reparations for black Americans.

  “I have to just tell the truth there in this hostile anti-black administration that would rather black Americans pick cotton than pick the president.” – Ayanna Pressley (10:09) “Well, give me a government check—that’ll fix everything.” – Rob Carson’s sarcastic reply (11:27)

• Race-Baiting Satire:
  Parody segment mocking Al Sharpton and media figures for, in Carson's view, reducing disagreements to accusations of racism.

4. Audience Calls: State Governance & Election Concerns

(14:35–18:49)

• Maryland Election Integrity:
  Callers discuss perceived corruption and inefficiency in Maryland's elections, particularly regarding mail-in ballots and the Key Bridge reconstruction.
• Role of U.S. Senators:
  Caller Al raises constitutional points about the Senate's intended function as representation of states' rights rather than individuals.

5. Historical Context: Democrat vs. Republican Party Legacies

(18:49–21:21)

• Ted Cruz’s Senate Commentary:
  Playing Ted Cruz’s remarks, the episode details the Democratic Party’s role in discriminatory policies (poll taxes, literacy tests, Jim Crow, KKK) and contrasts it with the founding of the Republican Party to oppose slavery.

  “The Democrat party, for the entire history of their party, have been a party based on racial discrimination.” – Ted Cruz (21:12)

6. Massive Medicaid Fraud in Ohio (Interview with Luke Rosiak)

(22:53–39:09)

• Confronting Accusations of Racism:
  Rosiak testifies before Ohio lawmakers about Medicaid fraud disproportionately committed by Somali and Bhutanese communities. He’s challenged for being “racist” but responds:

  “I’m not implying it. I’m stating it.” – Luke Rosiak (23:29)

• Details of the Fraud:
  Rosiak explains how government benefits are exploited by ethnic bloc groups, who use shell companies and launder funds, often with little to no vetting by authorities.

  “It took a while for us to notice...every time you hear about some Democrat or some foreigner, they own a Medicaid company that brings in, like, millions of dollars...” – Luke Rosiak (24:18)

• Perverse Incentives and Lack of Oversight:
  Fraud includes pretend caretaking within families, billing for non-existent services, and multi-generational scam operations.

  “You can get paid like six figures for doing this. Especially if you have like two parents in their 60s that you claim have some health condition.” – Luke Rosiak (27:26) “It’s like living in your parent’s basement and getting paid for it.” – Rob Carson (27:18)

• State and Federal Inaction:
  Rosiak critiques the DeWine administration (Ohio governor) and Medicaid policy for failing to prevent fraud, saying the system rewards criminality due to lack of risk and oversight.

  “They just are paying money to random criminals without even researching them.” – Luke Rosiak (29:13)

7. Broader Pattern: Media and Government Complicity

(36:12–38:59)

• Spread of Fraud Across States:
  The Medicaid/home health aide scam is framed as national, not just an Ohio problem. Rosiak says similar patterns are in New York and California.

  “In New York State, being a home health care aide is now the most common job in the state.” – Luke Rosiak (37:51)

• Media Reluctance:
  Local outlets are accused of refusing to investigate or report the extent of the fraud due to political pressure.

  “Where the hell is journalism, Luke? Where the hell is journalism?” – Rob Carson (36:21)

8. Urban Policy, Business, and Economic Consequences

(39:24–41:36)

• Seattle and New York Business Exodus:
  Carson discusses how anti-business policies are driving large companies like Starbucks (Seattle) and financial entities (NY) away, with politicians now attempting to reconcile with the private sector.
• Jeff Bezos on Taxes:
  Bezos downplays the impact of raising his taxes as a fix for urban problems.

  “You could double the taxes I pay and it’s not going to help that teacher in Queens.” – Jeff Bezos (41:25)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [03:13] Montage Excerpt:
  “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.” – Joe Biden (quoted)
• [07:26] Burgess Owens:
  “You have black leaders telling young black people to give up on your dreams because if you don’t, they might have to give up on theirs.”
• [10:09] Ayanna Pressley:
  “...this hostile anti-black administration that would rather black Americans pick cotton than pick the president.”
• [23:29] Luke Rosiak:
  “I’m not implying it. I’m stating it.” – in response to charges of racism in his reporting
• [27:26] Luke Rosiak:
  “You can get paid like six figures for doing this. Especially if you have like two parents in their 60s that you claim have some health condition.”
• [30:14] Luke Rosiak:
  “Is this the cost of mass immigration—that now we can no longer have programs that were nice to have but that were predicated on high-trust societies?”
• [41:25] Jeff Bezos:
  “You could double the taxes I pay and it’s not going to help that teacher in Queens.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:50: Rob Carson opens with critique of Democrat-run urban areas and racial gerrymandering
• 03:00–06:59: Parody montage and analysis of party expectations for black voters, NAACP and Black Caucus politics
• 07:26–09:57: Burgess Owens and discussion about Black leaders and the NAACP
• 10:09–12:59: Reparations debate, Ayanna Pressley clip, and racial satire
• 14:35–18:49: Caller discussion on Maryland elections and role of senators
• 18:49–21:21: Ted Cruz recounts history of Democratic Party’s racial discrimination
• 22:53–31:14: Luke Rosiak interview: Medicaid fraud, testimony confronting accusations of racism
• 33:43–39:09: Representative Brandon Johnson on fraud, more from Rosiak, impact in Ohio and beyond
• 39:24–41:36: Urban policy failures, business exodus, Bezos on taxes
• End: Carson reflects on the amount left uncovered, teasers for future episodes

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Conclusion

With his characteristic blend of sarcasm, outrage, and detailed reporting, Rob Carson uses this episode to argue that Democratic dominance in urban U.S. politics is facing a crisis point, fueled by judicial challenges, economic reality, and public frustration over fraud and failed policies. The interview with Luke Rosiak provides substantive investigative depth into welfare fraud, intertwined with Carson’s satirical jabs at Democratic politicians, mainstream media, and party messaging. The episode weaves together history, current events, and ongoing political battles to position its narrative of a "falling" Democrat machine while signaling a hopeful, albeit combative, alternative for conservative reforms.

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Transcript

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[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Hold it.

[Luke Rosiak]

Now.

[Rob Carson]

You are about to hear the most interesting, informative, thought provoking and funny show in America on air and on the world World Wide Web. This is the Rob Carson Show. This is the Rob Carson show, hour number three of the show. Joining us at the bottom of the hour is Luke Rosiak. Luke Rosiak is an excellent investigative reporter. I've been following him for many years. He used to work for the Washington Times. He's done amazing, amazing work. And he went to Columbus, Ohio, and discovered massive, massive amounts of fraud committed mostly by Somalis, oddly enough, in the state of Columbus. He was testifying in front of the Congress in the state of Ohio and Columbus and of course was greeted by cries of racism by Democrat members of the House there. So we will talk to him about that coming up here very shortly on the show. It's really cool. Yesterday I made fun of, and this only deserves being made fun of the naacp. I know it still exists. And the conservative, not the conservative, the Black Caucus, the Congressional Black Caucus, which is black liberal Democrats. It's not a Congressional Black Caucus because they don't allow conservatives. They don't allow conservatives there. It's just black liberal Democrats. And this is Hakeem Jeffries. Yesterday, they're all butt hurt because they are, they're, they're Democrat racially gerrymandered districts which are hotbeds of poverty, crime, poor schools, grievance and dependence. Those are the things that make up black districts run by Democrats gerrymandered racially around the country. The America's inner cities. There you go. And it's been this way for a very, very long time. The Supreme Court said enough is enough. Enough is enough. We cannot gerrymander districts according to race and expect, but say basically expecting black people to vote Democrat, that's what they expect that's what they expect. I have a little montage I want to play real quick about. About how black people are expected to vote Democrat. I put this together this morning bright and early, and here it is. Here we go, sir.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Y' all remember the famous one, if you don't vote for me, then you ain't black.

[Rob Carson]

Got more questions. But I tell it. If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump and

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

you ain't black, the moniker is real, that if you're black, you vote Democrat. Right. I have never heard any other group of people being described that way.

[Rob Carson]

What's something that you always carry with you? Hot sauce.

[Caller or Listener]

Really? Yes.

[Rob Carson]

Now, listen, I just want you to know people are going to see this and say, okay, she's pandering the black people.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Okay.

Is it working?

Yeah.

Only black people. The way we vote is tied to our identity. And there is nothing more personal than your identity.

[Rob Carson]

Yes, 100%. You get it. You get it, you get it? Yes. I've never heard this before. I haven't heard this in 30 years of following this. I've been following this. America's inner cities and the crime and the 10 times the national murder rate and the hopelessness and helplessness, the broken families. I mean, I haven't heard this kind of talk out loud because people have been called Uncle Tom's and people have been told you're this and that and this and that for saying such a thing. But it's finally happening. It's finally happening. And the SCOTUS decision has the Democrats completely out of their minds because they recognize that this is the Berlin Wal Wall falling for inner city people of color.

[Luke Rosiak]

It is.

[Rob Carson]

It is. I've heard emancipation from some people. That's what this is about. That's what this is about. Because LBJ said he could get black people to vote for Democrats for 200 years, but he called them the N word. Okay? And they do it the same way. They promise things. They promise the sun, the moon, and the stars, and then when election day rolls around, they leave some money on the dresser, but they don't leave money on the dresser anymore. I've been saying this for years. And so what is the Democrat doing? The Democrat party doing? They are. They. They are trying to get people to fall on their sword. And the only ones they can think of are young college athletes. The only people who are maybe a little bit more susceptible, less life experience. And they are asking for some inane, insane reason for college athletes in the sec. Blacks to give up Their careers and boycott their possibility of a career, their livelihood. Now, because the Supreme Court voted in a way that Democrats hate. This is Hakeem Jeffries with members of

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

the Congressional Black Caucus as well as former athletes committed to this.

[Rob Carson]

It's not the Black Caucus. It's the Black Liberal Democrat Caucus.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Cause. And getting.

[Rob Carson]

Remember when Rush used to say the N double L or the N double lcp, something like that.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

The.

The national association of Liberals, this egregious situation turned around. This is an unprecedented moment featuring an unprecedented attack on black political representation.

[Rob Carson]

And so you're going to ask what to cure this? You're going to ask young black athletes to quit their sports for the Democrat Party.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

And therefore, it requires an unprecedented response. We are here standing in solidarity with the NAACP and its call for athletes to boycott institutions within the SEC that belong to states that have unleashed.

[Rob Carson]

Nobody's going to do it. It's so beyond stupid at this point. It's trying to rally people for nothing. Nobody is listening to it. Nobody cares. At this point is laughable. I've been making fun of it. I just put a video up on social media about it because it is so absurd. These Gen Z athletes are going, first of all, naacp. That still exists. The national association for the Advancement of Colored People. Really? Really. That still exists. Okay. And yet, Hakeem Jeffries, everybody in the frame. That event yesterday on Capitol Hill, over 50 years old, and they are trying to use college students like the left does, indoctrinating them and using them their cause. It's absolutely ridiculous. Burgess Owens is a member of Congress. He is a Republican from the state of Utah, also a former professional athlete.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Yes. Let me unpack this for you. You have black leaders telling young black people to give up on your dreams because if you don't, they might have to give up on theirs. No. This is what the NAACP is all about. It's always been about elitism first. And to be honest with you, I'm not surprised at all to see this. You go back to see what the real seed of this. This organization was back in 1909. It was based on white supreme white socialists. There's 20 of them and one black guy, W. Dubos. They hated Booktube.

[Rob Carson]

And by the way, a Planned Parenthood was created by Margaret Sanger, who was an avowed racist, by the way. She was a racist and it was

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

all about his thoughts of faith, family, free market.

[Rob Carson]

She wanted people who have disabilities and black people to be aborted education.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

So understand, this is what the Democratic Party, all minorities party The NW is all about. I'm hoping black Americans across the country realize their issue is not about them. The issue is not about those that they're supposed to be serving. It's about the elitists who want to keep their power and do anything they can destroy anybody's lives they can to make that happen.

[Rob Carson]

It is remarkable. And I told you they're going to get uglier and it's going to be bigger as we go down this road as the Democrat house of cards begins to crumble and it's been built on racism. Here's more from Burgess Owens. Well, they also just keep mine.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

What we're talking about is the young is a dreams that these people have. They're working hard to get it done. And these people come across and say, you know what? Forget your dreams, forget your hopes. Forget the fact you can get to the middle class and leave a legacy on kids. Think about us. Think about us here in D.C. these black elitists that by the way, Lauren, they vote against everything that would help the black community grow. They vote against choice. They vote against.

[Rob Carson]

Look at Baltimore. Baltimore is rotting. Number two worst schools in America. You can buy a brownstone newly redone in Baltimore for $150,000. But across the street is a car with a window shot out of it and a boarded up building that had been burned down.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Anything that helps the flea market.

[Rob Carson]

No grocery stores. You gotta run from your car into your house and lock the door.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Listen, grow these people. They're socialists and Marxists. I hope this is a wake up call. They do not care about anyone but themselves. And this is a chance for black Americans to finally realize is the Republican Party is President Trump. You heard that, that hopeful message. That is the message for everyone. By the way. That's the message I grew up with in the 60s segregated community. All about moving forward, dream big and overcome the obstacles and never ever be a victim.

[Caller or Listener]

Put in the work.

[Rob Carson]

There you go. But I told you that the Democrat party is going to get uglier. They're going to get louder. They are movie vampires dying. This is Ayanna Pressley the other day regarding this decision.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Listen, I have to just tell the truth there in this hostile anti black administration that would rather black Americans pick cotton than pick the president.

[Rob Carson]

Modern farm equipment has been around for over 100 years.

[Luke Rosiak]

So.

[Rob Carson]

Companies have used the SPLC to blacklist conservative nonprofits. They did a lot of damage. School districts across the country, listen, have adopted the SPLC's curriculum. Yeah. They have hundreds of promise reparations that are never going to happen. That's what they are doing. They're going to promise reparations. They know they're going to not going to happen. And when they don't happen, who they're going to blame, they're going to replace. They're going to blame Republicans.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

One promise has been kept to black Americans in this country when every bit of prosperity you enjoy was built on our backs.

[Rob Carson]

For that's not true. The industrial revolution happened after the the slavery. Slavery largely benefited just the plantation owners

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

hundred years of labor. So we are long overdue for reparations. I'm proud to be the lead sponsor of HR40. Black folks are certainly deserving of redress and reparative work. And one bill will not undo centuries of harm.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, yeah, you know it'll work. A government check. It's worked so well in the past.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

There are folks in this world like Al Sharpton, Jim Gossett who make everything about race as Al Sharpton who get a pass from the media. Reparations, criticism. We never fail.

[Rob Carson]

Well, give me a government check that'll fix everything.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

I have been a race mater. It's made me a lot of dope. Quit your sports as well as an Israel hater. I'm just like old sleepy Joe.

[Caller or Listener]

Come on.

[Rob Carson]

That's.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

That's why I don't have any viewers. That's why my ratings are low. But they know that I'll cry racism if they cancel my TV show.

[Rob Carson]

Here's the chorus.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Everyone is racist. Everyone I hate. Every time I say it, the Dems get white.

[Rob Carson]

Ira, they want to make you pick cotton.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Everyone is raised. Everyone but me. You will hear me say it on msnbc.

[Rob Carson]

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[Caller or Listener]

What's going on? Rob, I listen to you all the time, buddy. I'm listening to you talk about Westmore and you had it right when Trump said he is absolutely the stupidest governor in the union. Here's the problem. Have you seen a photograph of Westmore near that bridge?

[Rob Carson]

No, I have not. You're talking about the Key Bridge. You're talking about the Key Bridge that was knocked out. Hold on, let me, let me. Hold on. Talking about the Key Bridge was. Was knocked down by a container ship a couple years ago. And, and Westmore committed. It was going to cost 2 billion. It was. And then it ended up being 9 billion. They fired the contractor and now there's nothing happening. Go ahead.

[Caller or Listener]

Well, it was a trick question, but there is no bridge. It's done.

[Luke Rosiak]

You just.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I'll catch you. Okay.

[Caller or Listener]

On the bridge.

[Rob Carson]

Yes, exactly.

[Caller or Listener]

When Hogan was done.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller or Listener]

Westmore had a surplus. Surplus.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller or Listener]

Surplus.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller or Listener]

Most people probably can't spell that if they have a big D next to their name. Yeah. What do we have now? We just need. We need more money. We need more taxes. We got to do them. And Danny, hey, let's just get over on the rich. They don't care.

[Rob Carson]

Let me ask you this, Mauricio. Let me ask you this because I lived in Maryland 12 years and I. And I couldn't do it anymore. Now they mailed out 400,000 ballots that were mismanaged accidentally. Whatever. Do you believe? I, of course, believe that the elections in Maryland are corrupt. What do you think?

[Caller or Listener]

I absolutely believe that for a few reasons. But I'm gonna tell you about that. I mailed in my ballot. I got it. I mailed it in. Two days after I mailed it in. Yes, that report came out. Hey, by the way, Maurice, we're going to send you another Ballot. Like send me another ballot. I revoted. I voted already. What are you gonna do with that?

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller or Listener]

So somewhere, somehow along the road, they're gonna invalidate my first vote because it was already in the mail, and they're gonna send me a second ballot. So I think that's the fastest way to get one person voting for twice.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller or Listener]

I've ever heard of.

[Rob Carson]

Of course, buddy. Listen, I gotta run, man. I appreciate your phone call. When I go to real quick to Al in Pasadena, Maryland. Al, welcome to the show. What's on your mind today?

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

So, yeah, I like to know what the job description of senators is, if you have any idea.

[Rob Carson]

Well, you're supposed to represent your state. I guess

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

you got it. And it's something that they don't even know. I know you don't represent. You're not representing constituent.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, I know.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

You're representing states rights.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, well, Al, you know, the thing

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

is, that's what right now it was established for.

[Rob Carson]

Exactly.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

States rights. States would not sign on to the Constitution until they had direct representation. And the Senate was the very last thing. That's True now since 1913, the Senate has run wild. Yeah, they're the ones that are making problems all over Washington. They're not there to write bills. They're not there to take on the House of Representatives. They're there only to pass the bills or send them back to the House. They're not there to write bills. They're not there for any of that. They're there to put people in the courts. They're there to confirm Trump or the President's Cabinet. They're there to do things like that. But they're nowhere near anywhere, anywhere in. Anywhere in any legitimate papers that came from our forefathers. Did the Senate have the right to write bills and it's none of their business. They either approve it or disapprove it. And what they're supposed to be representing is how is it going to affect my state.

[Rob Carson]

Yep, you're exactly right. Listen, listen, Al, I gotta run. I appreciate you. Thanks for the phone call. Yeah, I appreciate you. You're kind of not nonsecretary. We're really talking about that.

[Caller or Listener]

But.

[Rob Carson]

But he make a good point. You make a good point. And I do appreciate your educated opinion, by the way, both of you. Maurice and Al, thank you so much. Real quick, I want to share a little bit of this. Ted Cruz, take it on Mazie Hirono giving the Democrats. And this is finally coming through, by the way, after years and years and years and years People are beginning to realize the history of the Democrat Party. This is just, I think, a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant analysis.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Just a moment ago, our colleague Senator Hirono said there's a lot more to say. And indeed, she's right. And in fact, I want to go back to her comments. She began by saying, we have a long history of racial discrimination in this country. That's undoubtedly correct. And then she said, quote, we had poll taxes. We had literacy tests. We even had tests of how many jelly beans are in a jar. Mr. Chamberlain, when. When Senator Hirono says we had poll taxes, I want to ask you who we is and in particular, what party was it that implemented poll taxes. Taxes in the South?

And I don't want to necessarily speak in every single case, but I'm pretty confident it was mostly the Democrats.

Yeah.

And what party was it that put literacy tests in place in the South?

Same answer. Mostly the Democrats.

And what party was it that had tests like how many jelly beans are in a bottle?

The Democrats.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Tell me, what party were the founders of the Ku Klux Klan from?

I'm pretty sure that was the Democrats.

[Rob Carson]

Pretty much.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Indeed. In fact, Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the Klan, was a delegate to the 1860 Democrat National Convention. What party wrote the Jim Crow laws in the South?

The Democrats.

Yeah.

And so on this side of the aisle were members of the Republican Party. Who was the first Republican president?

Abraham Lincoln.

The Republican Party was literally founded.

[Rob Carson]

Why?

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

To oppose slavery.

[Caller or Listener]

Oh, yeah.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

We came into existence because slavery was a grotesque evil.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

And it was President Lincoln, the first Republican president, who signed the Emancipation Proclamation, who won the Civil War, and that resulted in the freeing of the slaves and the passage of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

By the way, fast forward to the civil rights era. Bull Connor, one of the most noxiously racist politicians. What party was he from?

He was a Democrat.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

The Democrats, for the entire history of their party, have been a party based on racial discrimination.

[Rob Carson]

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[Caller or Guest Commentator]

I would like to point out that the majority of people on Medicaid in Ohio are not from the Somali community or from communities of people of color. The majority are actually white. So for you to imply the racist

[Rob Carson]

information that you're on Medicaid or home health.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

On Medicaid and home health, we are. When you look at the numbers of people that are in Ohio, the white population versus people of color, you're implying that most of the fraud is happening in communities of color.

[Luke Rosiak]

I'm not implying it.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

I'm stating it.

Boom.

[Rob Carson]

That is a mic drop. That is the mic drop of the week from Luke Rosiak. Somebody trying to say that because he went out and discovered massive, massive, massive fraud, largely committed by members of the Sigmali community. And she said you are implying. And Luke Rosiek said, I'm not implying. I am staying. Boy, that was huge. Luke Rosiak, welcome to the Rob Carson Show. How are you, brother?

[Luke Rosiak]

Hey, Rob, thanks for having me.

[Rob Carson]

When I saw Luke, oh my God, my head exploded. Luke, by the way, works with the Daily Wire and has been in, in Ohio where he has uncovered all of this fraud. By the way, brilliant, brilliant coverage. But she was ready to do the old pin the racism on the donkey thing going there. And you would have none of that. Who was that and what were you doing when you, when you drop that mic?

[Luke Rosiak]

Well, I call her Dr. Somali. I think her name is actually Dr. Sonali. It's like one letter off from Somali. She's one of the only Democrats on the Ohio Medicaid committee. And that's, you know, really says a lot about Ohio. It's basically a very red state. And then they started offering these Medicaid programs that certain ethnic communities started exploiting at massive scale. And they told all Their friends and their friends came and moved there. And pretty soon they started, you know, using that to amass political power and putting Democrats in Congress who are from these ethnic communities. And underpinning the whole thing, we're realizing more and more every day, is these sketchy Medicaid businesses that they all own. And it took a while for us to notice because we're just normal people working jobs. But more and more, you realize, like, every time you hear about some Democrat or some foreigner, they own a Medicaid company that brings in, like, millions of dollars, it's like, rob, are you and I the only people that don't have these things?

[Rob Carson]

You know, I heard someone the other day talking about how at refugee camps in Africa, they were talking about where they're going to go, and they said, well, we're going to go to Minnesota because that's where you can commit fraud and make a lot of money. So it actually bec what I'm curious about, because I lived in Ohio, where Vivek Ramaswamy, by the way, won every county in the gubernatorial primary. How in the hell is it just because Columbus is a liberal bastion, I guess, in the northern part of the state?

[Luke Rosiak]

Well, they've taken over other areas, too, like Reynoldsburg, that was a really deep red area. And they brought people from Bhutan there and just turned it into a Democrat. They vote as a bloc. And. And, you know, the Bhutanese are really running at least as much of the home health care scams as the Somalis in Ohio. And I was talking to somebody about that today, and it's like they're always trying to say everyone's a racist. Like, I don't have any prejudice against Bhutan. I couldn't even locate Bhutan on a map. I don't care enough about it to have any prejudice against it. I didn't, like, make this up to, like, get vengeance against the country of Bhutan, if we're being honest. That's what's going on in Ohio. The Bhutanese, massive quantities of them. It's not the exception to the rule. It is the rule that the Bhutanese migrants are pretending to be really sick and then getting these basically Medicaid servants, getting an authorization to get their own family members paid to take care of them for 16 or 24 hours a day, which was something that we had for a long time in states in our country, to take care of people that were, like, amputees and had horrible conditions. And suddenly these people come here and every single one of them is claiming they have some horrific medical condition.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. You know, and it's basically. It's like living in your parents basement and getting paid for it.

[Caller or Listener]

Yeah.

[Luke Rosiak]

I mean they're cooking, cleaning, companionship, conversation and they don't even have to be. I mean we don't know whether they're doing that. I mean, what I hear is they will. Bill, if you, if you. Because a lot of these immigrants live in multi generational households and 30, and you've got your mom there and she's 60. The mom will typically be cleaning and cooking and doing all the work. She's like the matriarch. But they claim they're taking care of her, Bill the government for taking care of her. Nobody's, they're not actually doing, you know, the 30 year old isn't doing anything at all. He's just. But you can get paid like six figures for doing this. Especially if you have like two, two parents in their 60s that you claim have some health condition. And you hear from. It's frustrating because you hear from Americans who have a hard time getting these doctors. And the program isn't as lax as you say. I've had trouble. I had a friend who had a trouble. Trouble getting well. Yes, because you live among normal people who don't lie and scam constantly.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Luke Rosiak]

But you're dealing with this whole parallel society. They've got doctors in on it and everything.

[Rob Carson]

Here is a little bit of your testimony the other day, see it in person.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

And I really, I mean in all the years I've been doing this work, I don't know that I've ever seen a scandal so shocking. Both because of the scale of it, the dollar amounts are very large, and also how blatant it is. I mean, you didn't have to be a detective to figure out what was going on. You just kind of had to go to any of these locations along East Dublin, Granville Road, Bush Boulevard, that whole corridor.

[Rob Carson]

So was this shocking to lawmakers in Ohio when you did this? Had they done any investigating whatsoever before you arrived?

[Luke Rosiak]

You know, the lawmakers have been really good, the Republicans. It's just that they're not the ones paying out the money. All they can do is kind of oversight after the fact. And it's been Governor DeWine and his office of Medicaid and then the broader Medicaid rules that apply in all the states that it turns out they're just horrible. They just are paying money to random criminals without even researching them. And it's just so much money that even if you were to get caught, like the chances of it are so low that it's worth taking the risk that you get like $10 million. So I think that the question now is how to deal with it. I mean do we reform this program? Do we cut it off entirely where nobody gets payments to hang out with their family even though there may be some Americans with rare diseases who that impacts negatively? Is this the cost of mass immigration that now we can no longer have programs that were nice to have but that were predicated on high trust societies.

[Rob Carson]

Now were you were invited by the state House to come testify or what was that all about?

[Luke Rosiak]

Yeah, I mean I did. A lot of the politicians in Ohio have been reaching out about this. Vivek has been talking about it. Ramaswamy. I also testified to the US Senate yesterday and what's interesting there is the Democrats didn't show up. There's a whole committee, small business committee and the only guy who showed up is the ranking member who basically has to. And it was a hearing about fraud both in Ohio and Minnesota. And clearly fraud exists and this is part of their job to do oversight. And they just genuinely didn't seem to care. And I was, I mean, because it benefits them. I guess so. I mean I hate to feel that way. I thought they should. I thought they would show up and pretend at least care. But it's almost like they don't. They just don't care about fraud. And it's really sad.

[Rob Carson]

Now coming up, I want to share, Luke Rosiek, by the way, I want to share with you Brandon Guild in an interview last night because he's in charge of going after these fraudsters, particularly in the state of Ohio. We've got Luke Rosiak, the Daily Wire, Luke Rosiak on Twitter here. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. So many people living with everyday pain think they're just stuck with it and it is what it is, but it doesn't have to be. Let me tell you about George from Oregon and his relief factor story. George is a hard working guy, spends 10 hours a day in his garbage truck. It's a tough job made even harder because he was dealing with sore right knee that he couldn't bend. But here's the amazing part. George started taking relief factor and it changed his life. He said, and I quote, I can bend my knee again with very little pain. If you're living with aches and pains, see how relief factor, a daily drug free supplement could help you feel and live better every day. Give their three week quick start a try only $19.95 in a few weeks or even days. Feel the difference relief factor can make. You don't have to be stuck living with pain. Visit relieffactor.com or call 800 for relief. That's relieffactor.com or 800 for relief. More with Luke Rosiak from the Daily Wire in one moment. For the first time since World War II, our national debt held by the public has exceeded GDP. That's good to know, right America? This is a wake up call. Our sins of the past, reckless government spending have caught up to us. A lot of it. Fraud. Casey didn't know. Higher inflation, higher prices, higher cost of living expenses, higher interest payments on the national debt. The dollar is cheapened. The dollar has been cheapened. Smart retirement planners prepare for potential setbacks and know that they can do that by diversifying with time tested asset known as gold. Yeah, physical gold. For my friends at Birch Cold. They have my money. They should have yours. Text the word Rob my name, by the way, to the number 989-898. Birch Gold will send you a free info kit on converting your IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold. Then you can just let it ride. That's what I'm doing. You don't pull the ripcord on the parachute once you hit the ground. Don't wait for economic turbulence to diversify. Text Rob to the number 989-898. Again, text Rob to 989-898 for Birch Gold. This is Representative Brandon Johnson on fraud in Ohio.

[Representative Brandon Johnson]

What we found with this Ohio fraud scandal is that we've got what we believed to be billions of dollars that have been defrauded from American taxpayers that should have been going to benefit the American people and instead were being laundered through a wide variety of shell companies that were acting as intermediaries to facilitate payments to organizations that weren't providing any type of health care. Ostensibly this was going towards companionship services where we can't even verify that the services were actually provided, where there was no verification that the people providing these services were actually had any medical training whatsoever. And there were no caps on the spending for these programs.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, it is ridiculous. And it was kind of an honor system and it was very dishonorable. Luke Rosiak was the guy who really uncorked this in Ohio where by the way, money flying out of Columbus airport made a beeline to St. Paul Minneapolis Airport and then that money made a beeline to Somalia. So there was that connection. And then Luke went there and uncovered all of this. For, for those who don't know, Luke, give us a little recap of what, when you went to, when you got to Ohio and, and how you pursued this story and where you found this massive fraud.

[Luke Rosiak]

Sure. So the government released a database of Medicaid spending for the first time ever. And you could see what companies were getting paid, sometimes a million, $10 million a year or things like home health care. And you could see their addresses. And I found that in Columbus there was just like an absurd amount, like 15% of all home health care in the whole state was taking place in these four square miles, which turned out to be the Somali neighborhood. But I didn't know that. It wasn't like I went to go find the Somalis I database to find the fraud and abuse, and it told me where the Somalis were because it was kind of similar to what we saw in Minnesota. You walk down these buildings and nobody's. They all have these offices that are building the government, but nobody's in any of them. And then you look up who owns them and they've got criminal records, tax liens, full time jobs, and they're doing this on the side. And the government will just pay. You know, in one case, they paid. Basically the husband got convicted of stealing from the government by doing fake jobs for the elderly. And then he didn't pay his restitution. His wife started a company using the same address. They paid her $6 million.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Luke Rosiak]

The whole time he's not paying his restitution. He doesn't have any money. So it shows how gullible the government is. They're paying people with no real knowledge of who's behind these companies.

[Rob Carson]

Where the hell is journalism, Luke? Where the hell is journalism? Snoozing on a job here. You, you went to Ohio and you found this. Where is journalism in the state of Ohio?

[Luke Rosiak]

Oh, it's bad. The Columbus Dispatch people are insane. They won't, they won't write, they won't tell the residents. Basically, I was there and they asked me how to spell my name. And I said, if you're writing about my stories, you need to have read the stories. And my name is at the top of the story. Why would you be asking how to spell my name? They don't want to tell the readers about how they're giving Medicaid payments to people who have extensive records for theft and fraud before they even start a Medicaid company.

[Rob Carson]

And it's because it benefits the Democrats. I know. Here's Brandon Gill, real quick. This is how Brandon Gill ties it into the Democrat Party. And of course, the media is in bed with Democrats.

[Representative Brandon Johnson]

What Democrats want to do is weaponize the federal government and state governments and agencies to launder tax dollars to give to their political allies to effectively buy off votes. That's what we saw in Minnesota and what it seems to be, we could. We could be finding in certain parts in Ohio and other states across the country as well. What we're doing is we're taking away one of the key arms that the Democrat Party apparatus has used in order to win elections. In order.

[Rob Carson]

I heard that that Nick Shirley was in the state of Maryland. Are you going to look into Maryland?

[Luke Rosiak]

You know, this is happening everywhere. California basically lost jobs. But once you count the people who are billing the gut, billing Medicaid, hang out families, it's. They can claim to have gained jobs. In New York State, being a home health care aide is now the most common job in the state. So this is. There's a lot to go around for everyone. I mean, Nick Shirley had, you know, no budget, just two eyes and an iPhone show stuff that all the bureaucrats, you know, they never found. And although we did hear some testimony yesterday in the Senate from people who were working these government officials who were tasked with finding fraud in Minnesota, and they did find some of it, the problem was their higher ups were retaliating against them.

[Rob Carson]

I know. Well, Maryland needs a colonoscopy. I think Luke Rosiak needs to give it to. I'll bet there's all sorts of. I'll bet there's all sorts of corruption here. Luke, I know this is one of the biggest stories I've ever seen you cover. You're doing a great job. Where can people find all your glorious work, man?

[Luke Rosiak]

Dailywire.com.

[Rob Carson]

all right, brother. Have a glorious Memorial Day weekend. Great job. Congratulations. Absolutely outstanding. We'll talk again soon. Okay.

[Luke Rosiak]

Thanks, Rob.

[Rob Carson]

All right, let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. I didn't get a chance to do everything I wanted to do today because there's so much stuff going on. Luke Rosiak was absolutely amazing.

[Caller or Guest Commentator]

Oh, man.

[Rob Carson]

What am I gonna do here? There's so much to talk about here. I, I had told you I was gonna talk about Katie Wilson and the, the, the Seattle, The Seattle mayor, and she now is. Admits she was wrong to call for a boycott of Starbucks as the coffee giant begins to flee its home city. And so she's begging him to come. Zoran Mandami forced to eat humble pies as he makes nice with America's business leaders. These, these, the, this man child and this woman child thought that they could just storm in, get the votes and then, you know, demand that, that business leaders pay higher taxes. And they said, you know, honestly, screw you, we're out of here. And consequently, they are coming back to them.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Hat in hand of yesterday afternoon, meeting with executives that make New York City the financial capital of the world. Mamdani's office sharing with Fox Business that He met with JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon at their new headquarters in Midtown, saying that the pair discussed how the public and private sectors can collaborate to deliver both excellent public goods and a thriving city where all New Yorkers can succeed.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, the only thing that's got to happen is massive cuts in the government. That's all there is to it. It's, it's, it's unaffordable. The, the restrictions on business, the taxes on business, all of that are too much for anyone to ever be able to survive.

[Caller or Listener]

There.

[Rob Carson]

That's it. That's all there. That's. That

[Caller or Listener]

man.

[Rob Carson]

Here is Jeff Bezos. I think I got time. Jeff Bezos talking about how doubling his taxes won't mean anything to the average person.

[Interviewer]

And Elizabeth Warren has made this point repeatedly. I think she's made any reference to you and others are able to pay a lower tax rate even though you're paying an enormous sum in taxes. A lower tax rate. And maybe I am.

[Jeff Bezos]

These people sometimes say that, you know, I don't pay taxes. So true. I pay billions of dollars in taxes and it's a perfect again, if people want me to pay more billions.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Jeff Bezos]

Then let's have that debate. But don't pretend, you know, that this, that that's going to solve the problem. You could, you could double the taxes I pay and it's not going to help that teacher in Queens.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, that's exactly right. And the same goes for Seattle. And they're discovering that it's not going to be enough, this pied a terre, whatever the hell tax it is on, on, on second homes. And by the way, now they've lowered the value on that taxable to $1 million, which by the way, is about average in New York City if you want to buy a home. So everybody's going to get hammered. There's not enough money. When socialists run out of money, that's the problem. They run out of other people's money. That's what's happening in these, in these cities. And they're going to. This is a really, really cold, hard reality check for them as people are streaming by the, by the millions, 4 million democrat run states, $2 trillion of wealth has left these states for other states. This is a turning point for New York. This is a turning point for California as well as other Democrat run states. I don't think they're going to get it. What's going to have to happen is they're going to have to have Steve Hilton as the governor of California, Spencer Bratt as the mayor of Los Angeles. Then they could be a shining example. But New York City City is going to continue its dissent unless they cut government, cut taxes and regulation. Not going to happen with Mondami. That's going to do it for the show today, guys. Tomorrow by the grace of God is finally Friday. God bless America, God bless you. And until tomorrow do not catch the stupid. I'll see you then.