The Find-Out Phase

Summary

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The Rob Carson Show

Episode: The Find-Out Phase
Date: June 17, 2026
Host: Rob Carson (Newsmax Radio)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Rob Carson Show" weaves together in-depth and satirical commentary on political scandals, left-wing extremism, hoax hate crimes, and cultural trends, juxtaposed with moments of patriotism and humor. Carson, joined by notable guests like Philip Patrick and Carl Higbee, rips into perceived political corruption in California, the fallout from thwarted terror plots linked to leftist groups, the exposure of a fake hate crime in Chicago, and the experience of a resurgent American pride during the World Cup. The episode delivers a blend of hard-hitting analysis, comedic parodies, and memorable pundit banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Gavin Newsom, “Behested” Payments, and California Corruption

Timestamps: 01:02 – 06:42

• Rob Carson highlights Rob Schmidt's exposé on California Governor Gavin Newsom's and his wife’s alleged corruption involving “behested payments” (solicited charitable donations that align with lucrative no-bid contracts).
  • Rob Schmidt [03:27]: “Behested payments are technically legal in California because of course they are, but they might not be the way Gavin Newsom is doing them… Nine days later, Newsom awarded a $14 million no bid contract...”
  • Illustrative examples include CVS and Central Valley Community Foundation quickly benefitting from state contracts after making these donations.
• Steve Hilton joins, labeling the situation as “literally legalized corruption,” pointing to the dangers of one-party rule allowing for systematized political grift.
  • Steve Hilton [05:57]: “But that is the law. And this is the kind of thing you get when a party has been in power for 16 years and thinks it can get away with anything.”

2. Satirical Riff on Pride Month and Emergency Preparedness Guide for LGBTQIA+

Timestamps: 06:43 – 10:51

• Carson lampoons the city of Annapolis, Maryland over an emergency preparedness guide tailored for LGBTQIA+ citizens, poking fun at the supposed uniqueness of recommended supplies like “gender affirming clothing” and “chest binders.”
  • Rob Carson [08:34]: “Make sure that your boobs don’t suddenly become womanly ... you certainly don’t want, you know, something to pop out of your swimsuit.”
• Comedic musical parody with Jim Gossett on the theme of Pride Month.

3. Domestic Terror Plot and the ‘Find-Out’ Phase for Left-Wing Militancy

Timestamps: 13:09 – 19:55

• Discussion with Carl Higbee on a recent foiled plot involving explosives and drones by left-wing militants targeting major public events and even the White House.
  • Carl Higbee [13:26]: “23 people ... had this plan to use explosive-laden drones ... steer crowds towards pre-staged snipers ... Like, where are all the libs screaming insurrection right now?”
• Comparison to January 6, arguing this is “way worse” and remarking on hypocrisy around media and leftist responses.
  • Rob Carson [14:06]: "Just this plot ... to overthrow America alone is way worse than anything that was planned by Trump ... where is the outrage from the left here?"
• Segment crescendos into the announcement of indictments against Antifa-linked groups in Minnesota, seen as a long-awaited crackdown—“the find out from the F around equation.”
  • Daniel Rosen [19:09]: “Today a federal indictment was unsealed charging 15 defendants with conspiracy to impede or injure federal officers...”

4. Hoax Hate Crime in Chicago

Timestamps: 31:55 – 38:34

• Carson unpacks a staged hate crime in Chicago, where Merlin Lou, posing as a Trump supporter, burned a cross to provoke outrage and mimic MAGA-linked extremism.
  • Highlights left-leaning media and politicians’ initial rush to condemn racism, only to discover the act was a politically-motivated hoax by an Asian-American student.
  • Rob Carson [34:28]: “Let me just lie, honestly. If you believe that in Chicago a bunch of races would burn a cross ... What an idiotic thing.”
  • Merlin Lou [34:43]: “Explaining his motivation was to protest Trump administration injustices, not something racist.”
  • Satirical remarks propel the point about a pattern of hoaxes ("Just like Jussie Smollett...").

5. World Cup Patriotism & International Perspectives

Timestamps: 22:57 – 31:43, 39:35 – 41:43

• Interview with Philip Patrick (Birch Gold), a British expat and precious metals expert, on the electric, multicultural atmosphere surrounding the World Cup in America and renewed national pride.
  • Philip Patrick [23:11]: “It’s absolutely incredible. And as a soccer fan, to have it ... I think we’re doing an incredible job.”
  • Both emphasize the return of visible patriotism (“the national anthem and the patriotism—it’s back, isn’t it brother?”)
• Patrick and Carson reflect on the merits of American society, economy, and people versus Patrick’s native England.
  • Philip Patrick [31:16]: "It’s the people and it’s the attitude ... In the US, it’s completely different. People admire success."
• Lighthearted moments as international fans, especially the Scottish “Tartan Army” and others, sing American songs and praise their experience here, contrasting American vibrancy with the "darkness" of anti-American sentiment.

6. Economic Analysis & Fed Policy

Timestamps: 24:08 – 29:59

• Patrick and Carson debate the impact of recent international developments and US monetary policy on precious metals, inflation, mortgage rates, and the general economy.
  • Philip Patrick [26:38]: “Americans don’t live in the trim mean ... We live in the real world. And if gasoline ... even if they use another metric to say, hey, we can lower rates, if investors don’t buy it, borrowing rates are going to go up.”
  • Carson is bullish on the future, citing returning manufacturing and upcoming tax reforms as reasons for optimism.
  • Both agree that managing US national debt remains the fundamental challenge.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rob Carson [03:54]: “So every time it’s a charity to pay for his travel to go to Davos and … complain about Donald Trump.”
• Steve Hilton [05:57]: “Literally legalized corruption. It’s astonishing. But that is the law.”
• Rob Carson [09:52] (satirizing emergency supplies): “Make sure you have the Weather Girls’ ‘It’s Raining Men’ on your Spotify. Play it again and again and again. It helps you ease the pain of an incoming storm.”
• Carl Higbee [17:07]: “You think MAGA movement is strong now—if any group ever pulls any of these things off, God forbid, you’re going to have an army of not only in defense of MAGA, but reflexively against everything the left is for.”
• Rob Carson [19:20]: "This is the find out from the F around equation. So you F around equals find out. This is the find out."
• Rob Carson [34:28], on the burning cross hoax: “Stupid. Let me just lie, honestly. If you believe that in Chicago a bunch of racists would burn a cross... What an idiotic thing.”
• Philip Patrick [31:16]: "It’s the people and it’s the attitude, man. ... In the US, it’s completely different. People admire success."
• Scottish fans singing "Country Roads" and "The Star-Spangled Banner" [39:35-40:33]: A heartwarming segment showcasing international joy and pro-American sentiment.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |------------|--------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:02 | Show opens; discussion of Gavin Newsom corruption | | 03:27 | Rob Schmidt details “behested payments” | | 05:07 | Steve Hilton on California’s institutional corruption | | 06:43 | Satirical riff: Annapolis’ LGBTQIA+ emergency guidance | | 10:11 | Parody song: June is busting out all over | | 13:09 | Carl Higbee: left-wing plot involving drones and snipers | | 19:09 | Daniel Rosen: Federal indictment of Antifa-linked group | | 22:57 | Philip Patrick on World Cup and cultural atmosphere | | 24:08 | Discussion: gold prices, Federal Reserve, Fed policy | | 29:14 | Tackling U.S. national debt and economic trajectory | | 31:55 | The Chicago cross burning hoax deconstructed | | 34:28 | Audio: Confession and interview with Merlin Lou | | 39:35 | Scottish fans sing American songs; more international joy | | 41:03 | British couple reflect on friendliness and love of the South |

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Tone and Style

Rob Carson's delivery is equal parts irreverent and incisive—mixing sarcasm, parody, incredulity, and directness. He skewers progressive excesses and leftist violence but counters the darkness with segments celebrating American spirit and unity, often in a lighthearted, comedic register.

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Rob Carson Show" captures its host at his most multidimensional—outraged by political corruption and left-wing extremism, caustic toward progressive virtue signaling, yet ultimately celebratory of America's enduring culture, resilience, and global appeal. Patriotic pride and sharp satire serve as responses to controversy and chaos, painting a picture of a nation in flux but, in Carson’s view, turning a corner.

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Transcript

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[Rob Schmidt]

Schmidt on Newsmax cvs, the pharmacy chain.

[Rob Carson]

Hold on.

[Rob Schmidt]

At the same time, Let me start that again.

[Rob Carson]

That's not the one. Here's the other one. Here's the behest, no bid contracts.

[Rob Schmidt]

Behested payments are technically legal in California because of course they are, but they might not be the way Gavin Newsom is doing them. A great example of this from the Washington Free Beacon, February 2024, Newsom behested $99,000 from the Central Valley Community foundation to his wife's California Partners project. Nine days later, Newsom awarded a $14 million no bid contract to the Central Valley Community Foundation.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, here's one.

[Rob Schmidt]

With CVS Incorporated, Newsom behested a $25,000 contribution from CVS, the pharmacy chain.

[Daniel Rosen]

Yeah.

[Rob Schmidt]

At the same time as the pharmacy giant lobbied Newsom's office against a bill that would have cracked down on pharmacy benefit managers, CBS cut its check to the California Protocol Foundation. Well, that is a charity that happens to pay for Newsom's out of state and overseas travel.

[Rob Carson]

So every time it's a charity to pay for his travel to go to Davos and and, you know, complain about

[Rob Schmidt]

Donald Trump, Gavin wants to go to Paris and sit in a $20,000 first class seat. Those are the people that pay.

[Rob Carson]

Wow.

[Carl Higbee]

Newsom, that's a charity.

[Rob Carson]

Okay.

[Rob Schmidt]

Vetoed that same bill that CBS was lobbying for. Just a few weeks later, a CBS spokesman praised him. And the company's Stock spiked nearly 3% at the Open of the markets. The very next day, Gavin gets greased, CVS gets a stock bump. And the only downside is Californians just have to pay, you know, higher out of pocket costs for pharmaceutical drugs.

[Rob Carson]

Wow, wow, wow. Here's Steve Hilton running for governor in the state of California. Last night on Rob Schmidt's show, the investigation is covering.

[Steve Hilton]

First of all, the Existing corruption case involving Gavin Newsom's former chief of staff and my opponent, Javier Becerra.

[Rob Schmidt]

Right.

[Steve Hilton]

And money that was illegally taken from Becerra's campaign account, funneled through another consulting firm run by Gavin Newsom's former chief of staff and into the pocket of Becerra's chief of staff himself. Another story is that there's a separate investigation into tax payments involving the Newsoms that's based on whistleblowers from within California. But all the serious reporters in Sacramento are saying that the origin of this is within California. Nothing to do with President Trump.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, nothing to do with Donald Trump at all. But of course he's blaming it on Donald Trump. He's trying to demonize Donald Trump. I hope the B word goes to jail. I hope he and his B word wife go to jail.

[Steve Hilton]

It's incredible, Rob. It's literally legalized corruption. It's astonishing. But that is the law. And this is the kind of thing you get when a party has been in power for 16 years and thinks it can get away with anything. So a politician can phone a business that they regulate. In this case, you've seen examples like PG and E, one of the big utilities in Northern California. The governor phones them up and says, I'd like you to give some money to this organization that I think is a good cause, happens to be, in this case, one run by his wife, and then she's paid from that organization. It's completely outrageous. And there are many other examples of Gavin Newsom and other politicians in California carrying out this kind of legalized corruption.

[Rob Carson]

Wow, that is. That is just fantastic. I love that we're knowing this. And they are in a buttload of trouble. They are in an absolute buttload of trouble. And even CNN did a report on it last night, which was pretty, pretty cool. I won't play that report because I don't have time to do it. Right. But I did mention this. I did mention this. You know, it's Pride Month. I don't know if it's Pride Month. Yeah, it's Pride Month. Everybody knows it's bloody Pride Month. Everybody's got Pride Month. Oh, my God. They did a hot dog night at the stadium because of Pride Night. I didn't even know. I don't even know. But it's kind of ridiculous. And ridiculous. You could say that the city of Annapolis, Maryland, just put out an emergency preparedness guide only for LGBTQIA plus people. They claim that lgbtq, whatever the hell, are more likely to be affected by a natural disaster. Democrat appointed Kevin Simmons is the director. I'm gonna look at this. This. You idiots in Annapolis. My God. What the hell is wrong with you? Emergency preparedness guide for LGBTQ RSTU community. Stay connected. Create a network of people who can help you during a disaster or when a storm blows in, I guess. I don't even know. Establish a buddy system for mutual check ins. Well, yeah, this is totally different than being straight. Ask your healthcare provider to get you an emergency supply of retroviral or hormonal medications. Because, you know, you wouldn't want to revert to your original sex during a storm. You'd be like, oh, look, I'm a girl. And then, oh, my God, I can't believe this storm. It would be weird. It would be just so weird. And then, you know, if you were a guy playing for a woman's team, then all of a sudden, you know, you grow a mustache.

[Merlin Lou]

Boom.

[Rob Carson]

Like that. And then you'd be at the cats out of the bag. Keep a copy of your prescriptions, dosage and prescriber contact information. That's totally different than straight people. Here's where it gets really, really stupid. In Annapolis, Maryland, by the way, Democrat appointed Kevin Simmons, no relation to Richard, is the director of Public Safety. I guess there. Gather supplies. You ready for the supplies? 30 day supply of medicine. Make sure that you have the weather. Girls. It's raining men on your Spotify. Play it again and again and again. It helps you kind of ease the pain of an in blow in incoming storm. Supplies for required injectable medications. Birth, marriage and or adoption certificates. Okay, are you ready? Gender affirming clothing, chest binders and packers. So you want to make sure that your boobs don't suddenly become womanly. If you're a dude, and you certainly don't want, you know, something to pop out of your swimsuit. As someone who's now a girl, it's kind of weird. It's Pride month, by the way. Here's Jim Gossett.

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June is busting out all over binders. It's Pride month for all the world to see.

[Rob Carson]

Don't want your package busted out.

[Rob Carson (Intro/Outro)]

Our pride is overflowing with arrogance. We're glowing and the media will cover it for free. June is busting out all over.

[Daniel Rosen]

It's.

[Rob Carson (Intro/Outro)]

It's Pride Month, in case you didn't know.

[Rob Carson]

This is embarrassing.

[Rob Carson (Intro/Outro)]

I hear about it every minute. Prefer not to be in it. Sorry. That's the way it's gonna go. Pride Month's busting out all over our tactics. They aren't Very nice corporations we are shaming. Names will be a naming Pony up or you will pay the price.

[Rob Carson]

I love ponies.

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Because it's June, June Just because it's June, June, June.

[Rob Carson]

Here's some other stupid suggestions from Democrat appointed Kevin Simmons Director of Emergency Management in Annapolis, Maryland, home to the Maryland General Asylum. That's what they call the State House because they're freaking nuts. Other things you need if you're an LGBTQRA2WH2O R2D2 if you're any things you need, menstruation supplies. Generally they're reserved for women who have vaginas and uteruses. Whatever. Emergency contacts, court orders for name and or gender change. You need that when your electricity isn't working. And clippers, razors, cosmetic wigs, etc. Extreme hate can be challenging for those who rely on gender affirming clothing. Stay hydrated and take frequent breaks from your chest binders on hot days. Yeah, there you go. That's, that's in Annapolis, Maryland. I mean, my God, what an embarrassment Annapolis is. I mean please, please let global warming continue and, and rise to maybe have people move out of Annapolis and then it could just sink underwater like Atlantis at this point. Because honest will not be missed. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show.

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[Rob Carson]

The media and our friends in the Democrat party kept saying we needed new legislation, we must have legislation to secure the border. But it turned out that all we really needed was a new president. Boom. Carl Hickey News Banks.

[Carl Higbee]

23 people who have been identified, five in custody, had this plan to use explosive laden drones, like stuff that we're seeing on the battlefield in the Ukraine to hit buildings near this event that would then force a mass evacuation.

[Rob Carson]

Talking about the USC fight night and the murder spree, the terror attack by leftists driven insane by Democrats and the

[Carl Higbee]

left and then steer crowds towards pre stage snipers. I mean this is like all according to officials. This gets even crazier a second wave was an allegedly planned to storm the White House gate. I'm sorry, is this Libya or we in America? Like where are all the libs screaming insurrection right now?

[Rob Carson]

Just, just this plot because they want to overthrow America alone is way worse

[Carl Higbee]

than anything that was planned by Trump. No Kings is about supporters on Jan6 like that was. This is nothing like that yet it was the worst thing ever back then. Where is the outrage from the left here?

[Rob Carson]

Because they want Donald Trump out of office, they want America to fall. That's what they've been doing the last decade at least they make it very clear they are funded by the Chinese Communist Party by Neville Singham and George Soros. That's what this is about. And guess what? They are about to get their rear ends kicked up between their shoulders.

[Carl Higbee]

This whole thing was on Signal Chat which was apparently thwarted by the kid's mother actually that reported his sudden purchase of firearms and magazines.

[Rob Carson]

Mom, you turned me in. We were gonna go on a murder spree and kill everybody. Take down the American government.

[Carl Higbee]

19 year old Tyson proper from Cincinnati allegedly still at this point spent $3,000 of his graduation money to purchase lots of.

[Rob Carson]

And this is why we need to put a limit on the amount of money these brats can get for graduation

[Carl Higbee]

munition and guns and extra magazines. And then he was honestly, you're frickin

[Rob Carson]

graduated from high school. You know, I hate to tell you this, you're expected to graduate from high

[Carl Higbee]

school going to use in this alleged attack. And then he was caught. He rolled on basically everybody. Two others that were identified immediately as Brian Omar Roa and also Michael Allen Thomas. Three first names were arrested in California. These guys were kind of like an organized militia. Look at, let's go through some of these texts.

[Rob Carson]

Listen, this is the best, this is

[Carl Higbee]

the best action I see. Position your teams in the purple dots. Counter snipers and drones.

[Rob Carson]

This is Columbine 2026 Long Range Circle area.

[Carl Higbee]

Great shot. Easy out into the river. Okay, we'll drop you off in safe zone. These are all the roads they have all the details. Screenshots with zones highlighted. Look, I did ops in Baghdad with less intel than this. This actually went on. They will pick you up here. Read the docs for mission briefing posted above. These guys played way way way too much Call of Duty.

[Rob Carson]

But yeah. And I wouldn't mess with people like Carl Higbee and his, his brothers in arms. The homeboys, hillbillies and Hebrews of America have had about enough of this nonsense.

[Carl Higbee]

Check this out. One of the guys arrested Daniel Eskridge of Kansas City, Missouri, saying, I'll be on the ground leading from the front as one of the five snipers. I would never ask you all to do something I wouldn't do myself. But I can't do this alone. So I'm asking for volunteers.

[Rob Carson]

Kids, a demon needs to go to jail for a very long time. He's a demon.

[Carl Higbee]

This op is what we call the trigger event. The terrain is urban, but after this, we will have no choice but to go old school because they will send everything they have to hunt us. But if we pull this off correctly, we'll raise an army. No, you will not.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, look. No, you won't. No, you won't. Your revolution is already dead. You just don't know it yet.

[Carl Higbee]

You think MAGA movement is strong. Now, if any group ever pulls any of these things off, God forbid, you're going to have an army of not only in defense of maga, but reflexively against everything the left is for. And we will guard against all, all, all of your unlawfulness.

[Rob Carson]

We're just tired of this nonsense. You already had an attempted assassination at the damned White House Correspondents Dinner and now this. I'll let Carl Higbee put an exclamation point on this.

[Carl Higbee]

Today marks 11 years since Trump came down that golden escalator and he's been dealing with this crap ever since. Then we had Butler, where he was shot in the ear, another attempt at his golf course. Guy charged Mar? A Lago got shot there, guy got shot at the White House, you know, he shot, literally shot at the White House and got put down. We just had another gunman at the White House Correspondents Dinner. This attack and how many others have been foiled? Thank God again, the party of coexist, coexisting so well. This stuff didn't happen like this under the last administration because it's these rabid leftists that are the ones causing these problems. Because they're not capable of winning debate or on the merits of arguments or policies. They better cut this stuff out because one day they're going to push too hard and there's a bunch of us, there's a hell of a lot better at the things that they're trying to do. We defended this country once before, we'll

[Rob Carson]

do it again, 100%. Carl and I will join you homeboys, hillbillies and Hebrews. Done, done with this nonsense. You're not armed. Well, physically or intellectually. And I'm telling you we're sick and bloody tired of it. And if you're not proud of America and you don't want to celebrate America and you hate America, screw you. We're having a party. We're having a celebration. We are going to march on without you, leave you in our dust. We don't have to live in this darkness anymore. In Minneapolis, they about to find out what happens when you mess with the man when it comes to going after ICE agents, trying to run them over and whatnot. This is Daniel Rosen, U.S. attorney for the District of Minnesota talking about these indictments of 15 antifa members for the stuff they did to ICE. Now comes payback.

[Daniel Rosen]

Today a federal indictment was unsealed charging 15 defendants with conspiracy to impede or injure federal officers and other charges.

[Rob Carson]

This is the find out from the F around equation. So you F around equals find out. This is the find out related to

[Daniel Rosen]

efforts of two Minneapolis based antifa groups that violently opposed the enforcement of federal law in our state. Such stalking and other direct actions against law enforcement are criminal. They're un American and they'll be met with swift justice. That's why we're here today. To those who choose to threaten or harm federal officers, we will hold you accountable.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Daniel Rosen]

We will defend federal officers. We will protect the public. We will enforce the law.

[Rob Carson]

Now for this little temper tantrum that has become a. An attempt to overthrow our government. And that's what it is. That's what it is. Fifteen members of Direct Action Minnesota. Damn. It's called Damn. I know. Idiots. Anyway. Federal crimes, conspiracy to impede a federal officer, multiple counts of interstate stalking, interstate threats, solicitation to commit a crime of violence, multiple counts of assault on a federal officer, destruction of government property, among other things. We've had enough. We've had enough of all of this nonsense. We've been through 10 years of this nonsense going on 11 years of this nonsense. We patriotic Americans who believe in the founding, we Trump supporters are battle hardened veterans, not battle weary veterans. Because we have just begun to fight. There you go. There you go. There you go. Chicago cross burning incident was of course made up. Just like Jesse Smollett going to subway for a footlong at three in the morning. Not sure if he was going to subway for that, but anyway. Yeah. And of course Democrats think the worst of Americans. Another hoax exposed. Hey guys, it's Carson. For relief Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Those words weren't written for history books. They were written for you. But it's hard to pursue happiness when pain is a part of your everyday life. Relief factor was created to help people address inflammation, one of the most common causes of ongoing aches and pains from aging, overexertion and daily living. It's a 100% drug free research based formula that works through multiple metabolic pathways to support comfort and mobility. No prescription, no masking symptoms, just real relief so you can keep moving forward. I work out every other day. I crush it at the gym and I ride my bike 100 miles on the weekends. I credit Relief Factor for making all of those activities pain free. And as America celebrates 250 years of independence, give yourself a chance to reclaim yours. To commemorate, they're offering a special patriotic price, just 1776.

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[Philip Patrick]

I'm doing very well, Rob. How are you?

[Rob Carson]

I'm good. I want to ask you this because you are, you are an expat. You are an American citizen. And what do you think about this World cup in America and all of the people who are coming here and discovering how glorious this country is?

[Philip Patrick]

I think it's absolutely incredible. And as a soccer fan, to have it. This is the first time I've ever been in a city I live in that's hosting the World cup. And I think we're doing an incredible job.

[Rob Carson]

Now, what city do you live in, by the way? Where do you live, bro? Where do you live?

[Philip Patrick]

I'm in Los Angeles.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, my gosh, Dude. I was out. I was out the other night. I went out to downtown Old Town Alexandria. A lot of people in Washington, D.C. for the world cup. And I ended up dancing in the streets with people from Brazil and all over. And there was so much joy, dude. And you could see it. Did you see that the other day, the game, the US Game in la and the national anthem and the patriotism. It's back, isn't it, brother?

[Philip Patrick]

It was absolutely, absolutely incredible to see. It's an amazing atmosphere and what a result for the United States.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. And the US Is playing Australia today.

[Daniel Rosen]

Whoo.

[Philip Patrick]

We that we got that one, by the way, we should be able to handle the Australians.

[Rob Carson]

We shall, we shall see. We shall see, brother. There's so much happening right now. You got this memorandum of understanding with Iran, the possibility of a millennial peace. I mean, all of these countries coming together to make sure that this happens. It's crazy what it's doing to crude prices. What's it going to do to gold prices, do you suppose?

[Philip Patrick]

Look, I think the world has been waiting to see what happens. And there was big movements to cash which strengthened the dollar and pushed the, the price of gold down. Now that it appears we have a resolution on the horizon or here, I think it frees the markets up to start moving. And I think ultimately gold prices go up. People have to remember gold was skyrocketing before anything happened in Iran. And that was on the back of structural issues. Debt, deficit, those haven't gone away. And I think now there's some clarity, we'll start to see gold moving again. And it's happening already, to be clear.

[Rob Carson]

Well, it's obviously finite and not as plentiful as say for instance, crude oil. You just don't load up ships with gold. You've got the existing, you know, the existing supply and that which is, you know, brought up and we, it's really hard to keep up with demand, honestly when it comes to gold. And we had a sell off back in January. It's given people a little bit of breathing room, brought the price down to 4,500, which by the way, if you would have said 10 years ago $4,500, you would have went what the heck are you talking about? But it's down from earlier this year.

[Philip Patrick]

It was 5,500 earlier this year. And honestly, if you said 4,500 two years ago, I was expecting aggressive upside in gold, but maybe not the pace. But listen, it's tied in directly to the pace of spending, debt, borrowing costs. Those things are very closely related. And like I said, President Trump has been dealing with a lot of issues that's a big one that still yet to be tackled. And look at the will be the long term.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, well, look at the debt we have. The American dollar is worth less. I think that only portends good things for precious metals. Kevin Wash, the Federal Reserve, I guess they're talking about lowering interest rates today. I'm not sure exactly what happened there. What do you, what does that mean, do you suppose, for the, for the country and the Federal Reserve.

[Philip Patrick]

Listen, he's got a very tough job. Kevin Walsh Obviously, there's a desire to drive rates down. If you look at the Fed's dual mandate, which is maximum employment and steady prices, there isn't a rationale for them to lower rates yet. In fact, many say there's a rationale to raise slightly. I don't think that will happen. What they're looking at now is different metrics, right? So he's talking. And there is, by the way, a reasonable case for looking at what, what they term trimmed mean inflation, which basically strips out extremely volatile things like oil prices today. So they're trying to find a way to lower rates. My concern is, you know, Americans don't live in the trim mean, right? We live in the real world. And if gasoline prices are elevated, grocery, electric bills, all of that, you know, even if they use another metric to say, hey, we can lower rates, if investors don't buy it, borrowing rates are going to go up. So I'm interested to see what happens with Kevin Walsh. I don't envy his position today. It's a tough position to be in, but we'll have to wait and see what happens.

[Rob Carson]

I'm just saying Federal Reserve leaves interest rates unchanged signal support for a rate hike this year. We don't need a rate hike. What are you talking about? We don't need a bloody rate hike. You know, I got to tell you, I got friends who have mortgages at 2, 9. And when you look at the real estate prices around Washington, D.C. paying 5% is ridiculous. Is ridiculous.

[Philip Patrick]

Listen, I agree with you, but mortgage rates are dictated by borrowing rates, and borrowing rates are dictated by supply and demand. The Fed have lowered rates five times in two years. Mortgage rates and borrowing rates are going up regardless. And that was kind of the point that I was trying to make. Investors need to look at the decisions the Fed make, and they need to believe in them. If they don't, regardless of what the Fed do, borrowing rates will go up. So that's why I say I don't envy Kevin Walsh. He's got a tough job. He's got executive, executive pressure to lower, but he has market pressure to do the right thing.

[Rob Carson]

I think that the economy is going to blow up. It's going to go skyrocketing. You've already got the return of manufacturing. You're building factories. Factories are able to write off 100% of their capital investments this year. You've got amazing things happening with no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security. It's freeing up some money. I think people kind of hunkered down a little bit with regard to the Iran conflict and inflation going up a bit. I think that this is going to really cause people to relax, begin to spend again and to invest again. What do you think?

[Philip Patrick]

Look, I think you're right. I absolutely do. And I think President Trump and the team have done an incredible job. And you've mentioned a few of those things, boosting manufacturing, we've got tariff revenue coming in. But the one thing I'm always focused on is debt and deficit. Right. That for me and I, I sound like a broken record. But if we don't get that under control, none of this matters. Growth is the most realistic way to tackle the problem. But we are going to need significant, really significant growth for it to outpace debt. And that's the big race. Right?

[Rob Carson]

So I worry about it. I worry about it because we're $40 trillion. I don't know how the hell we pay it up off. I don't even know.

[Philip Patrick]

I don't have the answers. But until somebody has the answers, gold's going to keep going up and I think the dollar is going to keep sliding until somebody has the answer to that question.

[Rob Carson]

Back, back to the World Cup. Philip Patrick, by the way, where are you originally? Where are you originally from?

[Philip Patrick]

I'm from England, Great Britain originally. But I'm an American citizen, so I know you are.

[Rob Carson]

You are my brother. You are an American citizen as much as I am an American citizen very much. But, you know, you see all these Brits coming over here having barbecue for the first time. Or I saw this British how bad is food in Great Britain? When this woman goes into Olive Garden and eats some pasta Alfredo and says it's the best thing she's eaten in her life.

[Philip Patrick]

I mean, honestly, the answer is it's absolutely terrible. Come on. Nobody talks about British food.

[Rob Carson]

Well, no, because you know what the national food of Great Britain is? It's from India. It's curry. It certainly isn't blood pudding.

[Philip Patrick]

Thank God it's not blood pudding.

[Rob Carson]

What's your favorite thing? But let me ask you, you've been a citizen for a long time. What was your favorite thing? And not only food, but think about America and, and what makes you proudest to be here?

[Philip Patrick]

You know what? It's the people and it's the attitude, man. Growing up in Britain, it's a provincial attitude. Anybody that gets success is resented. And it kind of, I don't know. I, when I think of England, I think of gray. In the US Is completely different. People admire success. They, you know, they have drive it's really that. It's the people and it's the mindset here and it's why. Why the country so successful. I'm very fortunate to be in it.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, we're both present. We're both. We are both very fortunate to be American. Philip Patrick, precious metal specialist with birch gold. Thank you, brother, for your time today. I appreciate you.

[Philip Patrick]

Thank you, Rob. Cheers.

[Rob Carson]

All right, let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. There's always room for Zeppelin. So who in the hell would believe that racists would get together and burn a cross in Chicago in a park? Yeah, stupid. Let me just lie, honestly. If you believe that in Chicago a bunch of races would burn a cross and to send a message to black people. What an idiotic thing. Block Club Chicago reports that Michael, Reverend Michael Fliggs of St. Sabina Church offered a reward because there was this leftist who burned across and put a red hat on it to kind of blame it on maga. Racism has always been a part of America's DNA, and this week it was raised its bloody. It raised its head boldly and loudly. No, it didn't. You're just thinking the worst of America because you're a racist yourself. The bold rise of racism must be condemned by every race faith community in Chicago. And as was done with the swastika treated as a hate crime. Brandon Johnson said that the investigation remains ongoing. Like many Chicagoans across our city, we are deeply disturbed upon seeing the images which have emerged following this incident. We don't care that the murder rate black on Black crime, is 10 times the national average. We could give a rat's behind about that. But hate has no place in our community. Every Chicagoan deserves to feel safe, protected and respected. Unless you're in the inner city and it involves, you know, a bunch of kids killing each other. Several members of the council's Black Caucus learned about the incident Wednesday morning. When asked about it by the Block Club, Alderman Greg Mitchell was initially speechless when the reporter showed him the burning cross. Here's the problem. It was put there by an Asian man, Merlin Liu. Merlin Liu. He thought he would create another fake hate crime like. Like Jussie Smollett blaming it on Trump supporters when it really was just a couple of guy bodybuilders that he used to do videos with. You know, whatever that. And. And they faked the hate crime. They went to Home Depot or, I don't know, Ace Hardware and got a rope and I don't know what the. Anyway, you know, you know, it was a fake hate crime. Here is this punk being interviewed. This, this punk, this Merlin Lou, and now he realizes he's in a lot of hot water. He's under investigation for a federal hate crime. He thought he could, he could, you know, get MAGA supporters in trouble. Listen to this kid.

[Merlin Lou]

NBC 5 Investigates has now interviewed the man who admits burning the cross. Cross. University of Illinois Chicago senior Merlin Lou says he knew the implications of a burning cross and had placed a MAGA

[Carl Higbee]

hat atop the cross.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, because he wanted to blame it

[Merlin Lou]

on MAGA supporters, explaining his motivation was to protest Trump administration.

[Rob Carson]

This is all bullcrap. From here on out, everything he says,

[Merlin Lou]

injustice, not something racist. How did you land on a burning cross?

[K]

Just, it came up to my head one day. I wanted to, I wanted to find something that I could do by myself, like no organization.

[Rob Carson]

Well, there's a lot of things a 20 something year old man can do that don't involve burning a cross.

[K]

No friends. No. I did know about this historical relevance beforehand, but I didn't know the severity. How, how.

[Rob Carson]

He's in a lot of trouble. Oh boy, he is in a lot of trouble. This little man child is in a lot of trouble. Here he is trying to backtrack a little.

[Merlin Lou]

Last week, Lou sent this scripted video to NBC claiming responsibility for the cross burning, but saying he had no affiliation with the Ku Klux Klan. Apologizing to those who were offended. In the video, he also criticized President Trump.

[K]

I don't want to wait till his term ends. I don't want to wait until he may or may not get impeached. I want him gone right now.

[Rob Carson]

I want him gone right now.

[Merlin Lou]

That video, are you threatening him?

[Philip Patrick]

No.

[Rob Carson]

You just dig himself further in the hole.

[Carl Higbee]

You say that you think he should

[Merlin Lou]

be brought to an end.

[K]

I think. No, I said, I said he deserves to stand trial to the American people.

[Rob Carson]

Something really. Why is that?

[K]

Junior paraphrase, I guess, but I think

[Merlin Lou]

you use the word end.

[K]

Yeah, that's what I mean by, I mean by end, I don't mean like a civil war. If, if, if that's the, if that.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, no, no, please start a civil war.

[K]

Racially motivated. It may seem what I did.

[Rob Carson]

Well, unbelievable. Here's a little more from the punk. He said he didn't realize, you know, with the cross burning, he had no idea what the KKK was about.

[Merlin Lou]

Lou says he was protesting what he calls maga, Christian nationalist supporters and the Trump administration.

[Rob Carson]

That sounds like somebody's fed him in

[Merlin Lou]

the academia, ruling class.

[K]

He's just Scamming people. We're just scamming out of money.

[Philip Patrick]

Right.

[K]

And I think that's a great reflection of how this country works right now, where money controls everything. Money has power over health care. Money has.

[Rob Carson]

It also pays your rent and your car payment and your groceries. So there's that power over transportation. Chicago police and the FBI spewing nonsense. And listen to this.

[Merlin Lou]

Now, I have been trying to identify him ever since putting out this flyer with pictures of him running away. CPD labeling it an arsenal. Did you make it all the way through almost four years at UIC without somebody teaching you that a burning cross is one of the most divisive symbols in America?

[K]

No, I didn't. I don't really have any. Like, I never grew up with religion.

[Rob Carson (Intro/Outro)]

Never.

[Merlin Lou]

But it's a symbol of the Ku Klux Klan.

[Steve Hilton]

Yeah.

[Merlin Lou]

That really is where it started. Nobody ever taught you that. You never read it in a history book?

[Rails to Trails Conservancy Representative]

Nobody.

[K]

I just. I just saw the Wikipedia page with the. The movie with the, like. I think it's called, like, Under One Nation or something.

[Rob Carson]

No, no, it was actually. Birth of a Nation. Yeah.

[Merlin Lou]

The Birth of a Nation is a famous 1915 silent film that romanticized the KKK and showed a cross burning. Was it a hate crime?

[K]

No, for sure, not. In no way possibly possible was that a hate crime. I do understand.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, it was. It was a hate crime against Republicans and MAGA supporters.

[Rob Schmidt]

Why?

[K]

It was interpreted that way, and I apologize for that.

[Rob Carson]

Too bad.

[K]

But. But no, the intent was not there.

[Merlin Lou]

The FBI and Chicago Police will determine that. And what charges may be filed against the man who admits the cross burning. Authorities have not reported anything new in this case. Lou says his parents are encouraging him to surrender and that they offered to provide an attorney, but he said no. He told me he's thinking of turning himself in. Something he won't have to worry about if police arrive for first.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. And they're going to merlin Lou a manchild who did something stupid trying to. To implicate Trump supporters in the idiotic possibility that they would burn across in the public square in Chicago. I hope they nail this kid and he spends a little time in prison. Teach him a little lesson. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. I want to play some cool audio from people who came here to see the FIFA and love, love, love, love, love, love America. This is the Scottish Tartan Army. The Scots are having a hell of a time here. The Scottish Tartan army singing our national anthem, by the way. Singing our national anth. Singing Country Road 1st

[Rob Carson (Intro/Outro)]

West Virginia Mountain mama.

[Rob Carson]

Take me home. At the twilight.

[Rob Carson (Intro/Outro)]

And bright stars.

[Rob Carson]

I love it. Tarant army. A sound like Shrek.

[Rob Carson (Intro/Outro)]

Here you go. Listen to this.

[Rob Carson]

Here come the bag bites. The bag bites. Come on.

[Rob Carson (Intro/Outro)]

Oh,

[Rob Carson]

I love it. Welcome to America. I'll even forgive the Scots for singing abba. Love it. Here's a British couple. Here's a British couple. They love the south. Guys, what is going on in the South?

[Philip Patrick]

Seriously, Life over here is completely different to what we've experienced before. The people are so friendly.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. And the left hates America. And this is why we don't have to live in darkness anymore. And this is another serendipitous moment for America. That Donald Trump is the president, that the World cup is here, that people are coming here and discovering how amazing America is. Going back to their countries, lamenting being back in their countries. It's happening. Overwhelm the left with joy and patriotism and faith. It's happening. God bless you, America's founder, Donald Trump. Our troops were kicking butt in Iran. And until tomorrow, which just happens to be Thursday, don't catch the stupid Osilic smack again.

[Rob Carson (Intro/Outro)]

I'll see you.

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[Rob Carson]

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