The Great Minnesota Shakedown and the R-Word Heard ‘Round the World

Summary

The Rob Carson Show – Episode Summary

Episode Title: The Great Minnesota Shakedown and the R-Word Heard ‘Round the World
Date: December 1, 2025
Host: Rob Carson
Guest: Doug Burns (former federal prosecutor)
Podcast: Newsmax Podcasts

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Main Theme

This episode unpacks two interlinked stories making national headlines. First, the scale of alleged welfare and social services fraud among Minnesota's Somali community and failures of state leadership, particularly Governor Tim Walz. Second, it explores the explosive fallout from Donald Trump’s controversial use of the “R-word” directed at Gov. Walz, with a broader discussion on changing language norms, partisan media outrage, and Trump’s rhetorical tactics. The show combines humor, commentary, and listener engagement—plus a deep dive into recent developments in political accountability, immigration, and federal investigations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tariffs, Taxes, and the Economy

Timestamp: 00:50–04:01

• Rob opens with economic optimism, suggesting Donald Trump’s floated plan to abolish income tax (for earners under $200,000) and rely on tariffs instead.
  • "Tariff revenue hit $31 billion in October and Trump is floating abolishing the income tax altogether...suck it, Wall Street Journal readers and liberals."
• Makes historical references to how tariffs once funded the federal government (pre-income tax).
• Notes plummeting gas prices, casting this as further good news for Americans and a political loss for Democrats.
  • Personal anecdotes about fuel prices and visiting loyal listeners in D.C.

2. "The Great Minnesota Shakedown" – Somali Community Fraud Allegations

Timestamp: 04:01–12:00

• Carson outlines fraudulent schemes in Minnesota, citing reports of massive Medicaid and welfare fraud tied to members of the Somali community.
  • "Costs are at $61 million... autism claims to Medicaid surged... from $3 million to $400 million."
  • References New York Times and DHS reports, alleging marriage fraud, visa overstays, and fraudulent social services billing.
• Frames Minneapolis as “the most corrupt state in America” and accuses Governor Tim Walz (whom Carson repeatedly refers to as “Tim Vaultz/Voltz/Wirtz”—interchangeably) of passivity or complicity due to political interests in the Somali voting bloc.
• References fraud related to the “Feeding Our Future” child nutrition program and money allegedly making its way to terrorist groups like Al Shabaab.

3. Trump’s “R-Word” Post and Cultural Backlash

Timestamp: 08:30–13:00

• Carson reads the full content of Trump’s inflammatory Thanksgiving post attacking Gov. Walz and Rep. Ilhan Omar, including the use of “retarded” to describe Walz.
• Analyzes Trump’s intent and doubles down on the term:
  • "You can't say that. Oh, yes, I can, because I just did."
  • "Retarded has changed. The word actually means people who are like Tim Waltz, who are stupid and corrupt."
• Clarifies that he holds those with disabilities in high regard, differentiating “the pejorative,” now re-applied to political adversaries.
• Clips of Trump saying he stands by the slur ("Yeah, I think there's something wrong with him. Absolutely. Sure.").

4. Media and Political Reaction

Timestamp: 13:01–17:40

• Discussion on how Trump’s language has prompted more outrage than the reported $2 billion fraud itself.
• Plays and comments on humorous and satirical songs about Minnesota’s issues.
• Fox News and New York Times coverage summarized to bolster Carson’s argument that fraud is rampant and systemic.
• A brief dialogue with Doug Burns reinforcing that the "R-word" episode has entirely overshadowed the substance of government oversight and criminality.

5. Immigration, National Security, and Accountability

Timestamp: 17:41–26:27

• Guest Douglas Murray clips and discussion elaborate on immigration policy failures regarding Somalian resettlement—both in the U.S. and Europe.

• Brief discussion on the Biden administration’s lax security with Afghan evacuees, culminating in alleged crimes (including murder of a National Guardswoman).

• Rob and Doug note the lack of anticipated legal consequences for Biden, Mayorkas, or other officials—though both believe history will judge them harshly.

  • Doug Burns: "There will be historical accountability. No question...not sure about legal. I don't think the Biden administration is going to be held accountable."
  • Rob Carson: "Is there going to be any accountability for what Joe Biden did on the border, what...Mayorkas did...in Afghanistan?"

6. “Lawfare,” Obama, and the Russia Hoax

Timestamp: 21:50–25:34

• Rob introduces Doug Burns to discuss new disclosures by Tulsi Gabbard and alleged referrals for prosecution of Barack Obama over Russiagate.
• Burns is skeptical of real legal consequences: "She's not telling me anything I didn’t already know. ...The Steele dossier was complete and total garbage...I don't actually think that's going to go anywhere, obviously."
• Both agree Obama will be judged harshly by history, if not by the courts.

7. “Seditious Six” and Military Loyalty

Timestamp: 28:56–35:46

• Dialogue about accusations that senior military officials (the “seditious six”) are sowing division by suggesting soldiers disobey “illegal” Trump orders.
• Rob characterizes this as dangerous, bordering on actual sedition.
• Doug explains the legal standards for disobeying unlawful orders and says the media’s conflation is misleading, defending military tradition and process.
  • "Illegal orders are things like kill civilians, commit a crime...this was really disgusting."
  • Doug shares personal family connection: "My late dad, Arnold Burns, was a lawyer in the Judge Advocate General... Kelly could be recalled [to military court]."

8. The Host-Listener Relationship/Tone

• Carson uses conversational humor, pop culture references (including Die Hard, Metallica, and Ghostbusters), and listener shout-outs, shoring up his “blessed beyond belief” rapport with the audience.
• Engages Doug Burns with friendly banter about Thanksgiving and food.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Economic Policy:
  "The possibility of the elimination of the income tax. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Because you know why? Because tariffs." — Rob Carson [00:50]

• On Minnesota Fraud:
  "Costs are at 61 million, meaning if you double that over the entirety of the year, you're looking at 122 million... autism claims to Medicaid surged in 2018. 3 million. By 2023...from 3 million to $400 million." — News Reporter & Rob Carson [07:22-08:32]

• On Trump’s “R-word” Post:
  "You can't say that. Oh, yes, I can, because I just did." — Rob Carson [06:43]
  "Do you stand by that claim of calling Tim Walls retarded? Yeah, I think there's something wrong with him. Absolutely. Sure." — Donald Trump quoted by Rob Carson [12:08]

• On Accountability:
  "There will be historical accountability. No question... not sure about legal." — Doug Burns [26:27]

• On the Seditious Six/Military Orders:
  "Illegal orders are things like kill civilians, commit a crime…they’re relatively clear and straightforward...this really was disgusting." — Doug Burns [33:45]

• Carson's Signature Style:
  "If you ask that question, you're a friggin idiot. You are. Honestly, you are a friggin idiot." — Rob Carson [38:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:50 — Economic optimism: tariffs, taxes, gas prices
• 04:01 — Minnesota welfare/autism fraud exposed
• 06:43 — Trump’s controversial “R-word” post
• 12:04 — Trump doubles down: “Do you stand by that?”
• 17:00 — Song parody on Minnesota
• 21:50 — Doug Burns on Obama, Russiagate
• 25:34 — Afghan evacuee crime/accountability
• 28:56 — “War crime” accusation, seditious six
• 33:45 — Military legal standards for illegal orders
• 38:00 — Carson's media critique, biting retorts

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Tone and Language

Rob Carson infuses the episode with irreverence, sarcasm, and directness—mocking political opponents and traditional media, praising Trump and conservative initiatives, and using pop culture humor to engage listeners. The dialogue is brisk, punctuated with hyperbole, friendly banter, and pointed asides. Carson is unapologetically polemical, while guest Doug Burns offers legal expertise in a similarly spirited (if slightly more measured) tone.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a provocative, fast-paced mix of political commentary, cultural criticism, and humor. Carson foregrounds conservative grievances (fraud, immigration failures, media bias), rallies his audience with “winning” rhetoric, and treats language controversies as a symptom of deeper partisan divides. The guest segment with Doug Burns offers legal analysis steeped in historical perspective, with both men skeptical about immediate legal accountability for alleged governmental abuses—but confident that history will judge main actors harshly. The show’s distinct energy and willingness to double down on controversial points reflect Carson’s radio and comedy lineage, making this episode a lively capsule of contemporary right-wing media dynamics.

Transcript

[Rob Carson]

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[Doug Burns]

In America on air and on the World Wide Web. This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Rob Carson]

This is the Rob Carson Show. The first hour is pretty amazing, right? This hour is going to be as amazing or even more. Doug Burns, former federal prosecutor, is going to join us later this hour to talk about a number of things. I got some great news that is going to make life less expensive for you. The possibility of the elimination of the income tax. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Because you know why? Because tariffs. I know. I know all you Wall Street Journal readers who are going to kill yourselves when Donald Trump became the president. I do want to mention that I was graced by the presence of several people this weekend who came to Washington D.C. to to meet one. They are people who are live chatters on our Rumble Channel. And we've got people, a community of people who chat on Facebook, who chat on YouTube, who chat on Rumble during the live broadcast. And several of these folks have gotten together and become fast friends. And they came to Washington D.C. to meet and to meet me. I know I'm not worthy. I want to say hi to Diane and Ernie Rutledge and Kevin and Laura Heenan. They came in this weekend and I got to show them around Old Town Alexandria. And they took me out to lunch. We went to this little place called the mystic here in Old Town Alexandria. And I said we got to go there because it's a small place. They never have much business, but their food is amazing. And I want you to try a crab cake for the very first time because one of the couples was from Texas who had never had one before. And we went in and we had a marvelous meal. Everything was perfect. And we found out from the waitress that the mystic was closing the next day, which was yesterday. And the waitress who took care of us, I've seen there before. And I've gone there about once a month since I got here. Not enough to keep them in business. We gave her a hell of a tip because we know how hard it is to be unemployed at Christmas time. And it was really something else. I'm, I'm blessed. Blessed beyond belief. You know, Rush Limbaugh had the EIB network. I have the BBB network. Blessed beyond belie. Like win, winning, winning. So much winning. It's lots of winning. Lots of winning, lots of winning, lots of winning, lots of winning, lots of winning. It's oh so good. Okay, so Tariff revenue hit $31 billion in October and Trump is floating abolishing the income tax altogether. Yeah, because you see the income tax came along before that the federal government was funded by tariffs. You didn't know that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then what was it? Was it Wilson came along, he was a piece of crap and he brought in the income tax and it's been oppress ever since. Trump's talking about for Those making under $200,000 might see their income taxes slashed or even eliminated since the when the policies full effects take take place. And right now, $33 billion just in that month. 320 billion this year. Yeah, there you go. So suck it, Wall Street Journal readers and liberals. Oh, and then there's also this, by the way, in case you were traveling over the river through the woods this.

[News Reporter]

Morning, some states seeing gas prices below do for the first time in years. Let's get to seeing his.

[Rob Carson]

Matt Egan for the good news. Yeah, absolutely. It's nice to finally be here with some good news on the cost of living front. So for the first time in four and a half years, gas prices are averaging $3 a gallon nationally according to AAA, down by 7 cents in just the past. You know what state is blowing the curve? California. It really is. It's actually below 270 a gallon. And I filled it 250 something on my way to Pittsburgh. And when I got here to Northern Virginia, it was $303.36 when I got here. And I can get it for 272 now. I pay attention to these things because I was poor for a good share of my life. So there you go. I think that's kind of cool. I think you ought to be real happy about that. So Democrats, you know, you're losing on every front. It's just so glorious. My God in heaven, it is so, so, so, so glorious. Donald Trump's greatest post of all time happened over the weekend. It was pretty amazing. He's going after Tim Holtz because Tim Boltz is a moron. Tim Voltz is the governor of the most corrupt state in America, Minnesota, because they let all These Somalians in. And no, no, Somalians aren't corrupt. No, but a whole hell of a lot of them are. Yeah. Because you know why? Because Somalia is the meth lab trailer park of the world and it has been for a very long time. President Trump's Thanksgiving message. Very happy Thanksgiving salutation to all our great American citizens, patriots who've been so nice to allow our country who have been so nice in allowing our country to be divided, disrupted and carved up, murdered, beaten, mugged and laughed at along with certain other foolish countries throughout the world for being politically correct and just plain stupid. The official United States foreign population stands at 53 million, most of which are on welfare from failed nations or from prisons, mental institutions, gangs or drug cartels. A migrant earning, illegal migrant earning $30,000 with a green card will get roughly $50,000 in yearly benefits for their family. It's true. It's true. Because Democrats want to replace all of you guys who are voters with voters who will just vote for Democrats because they give them free crap. Leading cause of social dysfunction in America, something that did not exist after World War II. As an example, hundreds of thousands of refugees from Somalia completely taking over the once great state of Minnesota. The seriously retarded governor of Minnesot. You can't say that. Oh, yes, I can, because I just did. Tim Holtz does nothing either through fear, incompetence, or both, while the worst congressman or woman in our country, Ilhan Omar, always wrapped in her swaddling hijab and who probably came in the United States illegally in that you are not allowed to marry your brother, does nothing but hatefully complain about our country, its constitution, and how badly she is treated when her place of origin is a decadent, backward and crime ridden nation, which is essentially not even a country for lack of government, military, police and schools. Happy Thanksgiving. Oh, my God, it's so fantastic. It's so fantastic. Here is Will Kane, by the way, Will Kane on Fox talking about what, what's happening in Minnesota through the first.

[News Reporter]

Six months of this year. Costs are at 61 million, meaning if you double that over the entirety of the year, you're looking at 122 million.

[Rob Carson]

Just one scam and he's going to cover two of them here in dollars.

[News Reporter]

In five years from 2 million to 122 million. Now, why six people are accused of defrauding HSS and they're members of the Somali community. But this just gets worse. If we take a look at Minnesota's federally funded autism program. Now, several people and this is an example. A woman in the Somali community are co conspirators and they're accused of recruiting kids for autism therapy. They brought in families, had them convinced to get their kids diagnosed as autistic. In fact, these families ultimately ended up having various social services bid for their children.

[Rob Carson]

And I'm venturing to say most of those families did know their kids did not have autism. Give me a frigging break.

[News Reporter]

Competing with the number, size of check that they would get.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, see, that's why I say that they knew their kids didn't have autism.

[News Reporter]

It didn't matter if the kids had autism. And what happened? Autism claims to Medicaid surged in 2018. 3 million.

[Rob Carson]

Yep.

[News Reporter]

By 2023.

[Rob Carson]

Yep.

[News Reporter]

Listen here. From 3 million to $400 million, autism providers jump from 41 to 328 in five years.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Now the New York Times did a piece. The New York Times, Ernesto Landano reporting from Minneapolis. How swamp fraud swamped Minnesota's social services system On Tim Wirtz watch. They go after Tim Waltz. Tim Waltz has to go to jail. He has to go to jail. There's a lot of people need to go to jail. In Minnesota, federal prosecutors charged dozens of people with felonies, accusing them of stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from a government program meant to keep children fed. That was the $250 million program that over the last five years took root in pockets of Minnesota, Somalia, Diasporia as scores of individuals made small fortunes setting up companies that build state agencies for millions of doll the social services that were never provided. Federal prosecutors say 59 people have been convicted in these schemes so far. More than a billion taxpayer dollars have been stolen in three plots. They are investigating this also, including by the way, the, the fraud with regard to. And, and, and Tim Waltz did d word for Richard about it. You know why? Because Minnesota Democrats need the Somali community and fear the Somali community. Not voting for them, you see? Not voting for them. So there is, there is that. Here is dhs. Oh, the dhs. The DH desk did this. This operation Twin Shield up there. And they uncovered massive fraud. Minnesota, the most fraud. I used to live there. Thank God I don't live there anymore. The most fraudulent state in the nation. And it's all because of the Democrat Farmers and laborers party and Governor Tim Voltz. September 19th. Officers from our Fraud Detection and National Security Directorate working in teams have conducted over 1,000 site visits across the Minneapolis St. Paul area as part of this operation. What they found should shock all of America. Focusing on a list of over 1,000 target cases involving more than 900 individuals, our officers encountered blatant marriage fraud, visa overstays, people claiming to work at businesses that can't be found, forged documents, abuse of the H1B visa system, abuse of the F1 visas, and many other discretionary. That is just crazy. That is just crazy. And apparently Tim Vault was quite mad because Donald Trump called him retarded. I can say it because, you see, the President said it. And you know, for years, people use the word retarded to make fun of people who. Who are intellectually disabled. Okay? But you see, retarded has changed. The word actually means people who are like Tim Waltz, who are stupid and corrupt. Okay? So I want you to know that the. The intellectually disabled, those who have learning disabilities, etc. They're beautiful people. They're beautiful. The most beautiful people you could possibly imagine. I know many of them, by the way. The most beautiful people you could imagine. When Donald Trump uses that word, he's talking about the pejorative which now describes people like Tim votes. Okay, just want you to know that. I just want you to know that. But here is Donald Trump doubling down on calling Tim Wiltz retarded.

[News Reporter]

In that same post, you mentioned Tim.

[Rob Carson]

Walz and you called him what many.

[News Reporter]

Americans do find an offensive war retarded. Do you stand by that claim of calling Tim Walls retarded?

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I think there's something wrong with him. Absolutely. Sure. Do you have a problem with him? You know what? I think there's something wrong with him. Anybody that would do what he did, anybody that would allow those people into his state and billions of dollars after Somalia, we give billions of dollars to Somalia. It's not even a country because it doesn't function like a country. It's got a name, but it doesn't function like. Yeah, I've got more on this coming up. Because Tim Voltz says that he wears that badge like a badge or that name like a badge of honor, which is honorable for somebody as stupid and corrupt as he is. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson show, Newsmax. You like Newsmax?

[Doug Burns]

I like it, too.

[Rob Carson]

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[Doug Burns]

I am Walter Peck, sir, and I'm.

[Rob Carson]

Prepared to make a full report. These men are consummate snowball architects. They use sense and nerve gases to induce hallucinations. People think they're seeing ghosts. And they call these bozos who conveniently show up to deal with the problem with a fake electronic light show. Everything was fine with our system until the power grid was shut off by us. Here.

[Doug Burns]

They caused an explosion.

[Rob Carson]

Is this true?

[Doug Burns]

Yes, it's true. This man has no. There you are.

[Rob Carson]

Just kind of reminded me of that scene. Bill Murray doubling down on D. Wordless. Here's Jim Gossett on Samarth. Somalia and Minnesota. Mogadishu. Mogadishu men have fled you. You have set your dregs into the usa. Somalis, they are leaving Mogadishu. And it looks like most of them are here to stay. No, I don't think they are ripping off the state of Minnesota. Yeah, I know. Minnesota, nice. Minnesota stupid. 250 million they've stolen so far. No, no, no. Closer to 2 billion. Tap on. Tim hasn't lifted a finger. Tampon Tim. He allows it. Yeah. Disavows it. I know he does crooked. You know, she. I hope she gets deported, too. When it comes to fraud, she's Mogadishu star. There you go. That is Jim Goss. And you can help him out by going to patreon.com Jim Gossett comedy My God, so brilliant. So I sent him that idea this week and he just threw down and he threw down beautifully. Patreon.com Jim Gossett Comedy by the way, Mickey Hastings on the top chat on YouTube says serviceman in critical condition in Washington D.C. toe movement seen by parents. God is good. A great sign. Hopefully he will recover. And God Bless the beautiful 20 year old national Guard soldier who passed away on Thanksgiving Day. You will be avenged. You will. Let's take a break and come back. Doug Burns joins us next. Always entertaining and informative. Don't go anywhere.

[News Reporter]

Hey, quick question for all the people mad at Donald Trump for calling that reporter a piggy. Would you prefer to call her Hitler, racist, rapist, pedo, dictator, fascist?

[Doug Burns]

Would you prefer one of those.

[Rob Carson]

Metallica followed by DHS Secretary Tulsi Gabbard.

[News Reporter]

This January intelligence community assessment that they drafted at the direction of President Obama. The fact is that they used already discredited information like the Steele dossier. They knew it was discredited at that time, yet they used it as a source for this document that they claim to have high confidence in. They used intelligence that some of these intelligence community professionals rejected previously because of the lack of credibility and the lack of the ability to vet with any kind of confidence whether or not that information or intelligence was accurate and could be used for an assessment. There is a long laundry list of facts and intelligence reporting that directly contradict the statement coming from President Obama's office and those who are trying to deflect away from what actually happened, which was after Donald Trump was elected. Led by President Obama, there was an effort to create an adoption, a document that would serve as a foundation for what would be a years long coup against President Trump, therefore trying to subvert the will of the American people.

[Rob Carson]

Do you suppose that the Democrat party regrets chasing her out of the Democrat party? I hope so. It sounds like the feces is hitting the fan. Finally here to talk about this and other subjects today, former federal prosecutor and favorite guest on this here radio program, he's Doug Burns. Doug Burns, how are you this glorious Monday?

[Doug Burns]

Very good, Rob. How are you?

[Rob Carson]

I'm glorious man. I had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

[Doug Burns]

Great.

[Rob Carson]

And made some hella turkey soup yesterday, man, I made some turkey noodle soup on the carcass. Oh my God, I wish you were here. I would serve you up a hot bowl.

[Doug Burns]

I have a shocking admission. For the first time in 60 plus years, I had salmon, not turkey.

[Rob Carson]

You had salmon? Oh, you know that's all right. Salmon's good.

[Doug Burns]

I'm really sacrilegious, but my sister hosted it, you know, at a restaurant club, and they had two options. I said, you know what? I'll have the fish first.

[Rob Carson]

Hey, man, nothing wrong with salmon. Salmon is a gift from God. All right, so let's talk about Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard. More documents exposing Barack Obama, the Russia Gates hoax. She has also officially referred Barack Obama to the DOJ for criminal prosecution. That's what I'm hearing. What do you know and what do you think?

[Doug Burns]

Well, you have to work backwards, which is work backwards from the election. The American public saw right through a number of things. They saw through the entire conspiracy to undermine Trump. They saw through the lawfare, the ridiculous, absurd Fani Willis case, the ridiculous, absurd Letitia James case, and on and on and on. Saw through all of it. Reelected. The man and the left were hit like they got hit by a Mack truck. I mean, it was unbelievable. So the point is, Tulsi Gabbard, you know, the disclosure is excellent, but she's not telling me anything I didn't already know, and certainly nothing that Rob Carson didn't already know and hasn't been speaking about for years, which is that we know there was a concerted effort to completely and totally undermine Trump. We know that the Steele dossier was complete and total garbage, yet they soldiered on with the thing, on and on and on, and it was just unbelievable. And then just throw in in some ancillary stuff. The Hunter Biden laptop. Oh, yeah, that has the earmarks of Russian disinformation. No, it didn't. It was 100% legitimate, and the FBI knew was legitimate months and months and months and months before. So this was just completely and totally disgraceful. I'm not dodging your main, main question, which is, you know, the referral of Barack Obama, you know, to doj. I don't actually think that's going to go anywhere, obviously. I know you're disappointed to hear that.

[Rob Carson]

No, no, no, no, no. I agree with that. It won't go anywhere, Doug. I mean, it's awful that that SOB was able to get away with it, but the other people involved, and particularly after, I think, didn't. Didn't Donald Trump just negate 92% of Joe Biden's executive orders for pardons?

[News Reporter]

He did.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[News Reporter]

Yeah.

[Doug Burns]

Let me go back to Obama. Not to put this in, you know, melodramatic terms, but I think that he will be held accountable in the annals of history. And he'll be held accountable in the history books. I think that if serious scholars look at this calmly and dispassionately, after the whole, you know, Trump era and Trump derangements subsides, a number of scholars are going to write books. You know, I hope I'm around to see them. I'm not being sarcastic. I'm 67. But the point is these books are going to lay out exactly what you and I have been discussing, which is that there was just a breathtaking, concerted, illegal effort, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I think it will be held accountable there, hopefully. And that's it.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I think you'll be around because you keep eating salmon for Thanksgiving. I think you're gonna be fine. You're gonna be fine. Let's talk a little bit about. There's a number of things on the plate. Donald Trump brought the national guard to Washington, D.C. one of the unvetted radicals that Joe Biden allowed to come into the United States. Now they're saying anywhere between 100 and 190,000 Afghani people brought in unve invented. Now one of them is, has murdered a, an American serviceman, which is an act of war as far as I'm concerned. Is there going to be any accountability for what Joe Biden did on the border, what Aliana Romeorkas did, what those who allowed this to happen in Afghanistan for what they did to our country before, you know, we're able to boot all these people out?

[Doug Burns]

Well, again, it's the same answer. There will be historical accountability. No question about not sure about legal. I mean, the fact of the matter is, once again, you've heard me bemoan over and over and over about how I sit across the dinner tables from people, you know, here in New York City and Manhattan and they tell me that everything's just nothing more than right wing talking points. But the reality is even the forest furthest, excuse me, left person, et cetera, et cetera, when they see what just unfolded, what just played out in Washington D.C. they know full well that the legitimate conservative complaints about the way Biden his czar. And of course I'm being sarcastic. Kamala Harris handled and addressed the border was completely disgraceful. And now you're seeing some of the residual effects of that. You know, will there be accountability for what Biden did vis a vis? I mean, look, everybody knows about the disastrous withdrawal in Afghanistan and now it turns out that there was a program, you know, to resettle people here. I don't think in fact. And I know you'll agree with this, you can't sweep with an overly, overly broad brush, which is, you know, that everybody's terrible and horrible. I don't agree with that. But Trump is taking measures to address the vetting situation and improve it and he's going to put a pause on asylum, you know, petitions and applications. And it's the right thing. But I do not. Again, disappointing answer, of course. No, I don't think the Biden administration is going to be held accountable.

[Rob Carson]

All right. Well, we've got a few other things that I want to cover on the other side of the break. Doug, if you don't mind holding, I would really appreciate it because I'd like to cover a few things, including the Tim Waltz, the governor of Minnesota and the massive fraud up there. I mean, and Donald Trump of car calling him the R word, you know, which was the only thing people were mad about, not the $2 billion that were stolen under his watch and he went after the whistleblowers. But they're mad because Donald Trump called him the R word, which is an insult to the R word. That's coming up with Doug Burns. This is the Rob Carson Show. Let me ask you about that Washington Post report on the the attack on that Venezuelan alleged drug boat. What do you make of what happened there? Do you think there was a war crime committed? Oh, I think it's very possible there was a war crime committed. Of course, for it to be a war crime, you have to accept the Trump administration's whole construct here that we're.

[Doug Burns]

At war, which is we're in armed conflict.

[Rob Carson]

So they're basing it on report. I think it was in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal about a drug boat that been exploded and a couple of the hangars on of the craft were survivors and they went ahead and dropped another ordinance on them. That is hearsay and has not been proven at all. And of course, Pete Hegseth is doubling down on it, posting a humorous meme about wiping out the drug cartels. Doug Burns, former federal prosecutor, here to talk about this and so many other things. What did you what have you heard about that? And do you suppose this is a distraction? Clearly this is a distraction. Clearly. The the seditious six, they have tried to create some sort of insurrection in the military and they're doing a little CYA now. But what are your thoughts on the possibility of a war crime being committed by Pete Hegseth?

[Doug Burns]

Well, that clip you just played, I only heard it. I wasn't I didn't see it visually. Was that international war tribunal Judge Kelly. I mean, come on, these people are unbelievable. They just jump right in with game show answers on everything. Really, really complicated questions. You and I, not to be immodest on behalf of both of us, broke it down originally when we discussed this, which is, look, if the people can be reasonably viewed as war combatants, then you can take that action against that. If, on the other hand, you are arguing that they are civilians and even the most vicious criminal who's a civilian is entitled to be arrested and brought to a court, that's called an intelligent debate. What you heard Judge Kelly, continuing the joke, say is, oh, yeah, it's a war crime. Case closed, that's it. And let's go back to the whole Biden era playbook. We're not going to listen to any competing argument. We'll just shout it down and cancel it, et cetera, et cetera. But the fact of the matter is, you can argue it both ways. I happen to think that Trump would prevail on that. I know I'm sort of a conservative legal analyst, but the reality is I think he would prevail.

[Rob Carson]

So the seditious six, and I do call them that, because what they did there was no reason to do it other than to sow discord in the military. That's it. I'm not an idiot. There was. Mark Kelly cannot name a single order that Donald Trump has given that would be illegal. He doubled down on this weekend and said that if he were told to go after the drug, he would disobey the order. So I'm going to tell you this sob, as far as I'm concerned, needs to be court martialed. This has done nothing but divide. It was based on nothing and it was ordering. It said you must, you must disobey the illegal orders of Donald Trump. They can't come up with any illegal orders. So they're saying, you must disobey Donald Trump. Doug, what is going to happen with his court martial?

[Doug Burns]

That's an interesting way to argue it. That actually is. Which is. That's right. Since there are no illegal orders, then they're talking about any orders. But the reality is they were being cute legally. They always do. They consult lawyers, they sit in conference rooms. And so they turn around and say, you should disobey illegal orders. That's not telling me anything I don't already know. That's a correct statement of law. But it's breathtakingly misleading and disingenuous and disgusting because they're making it sound to the average person, and I'm not being pompous, but let's say, you know, had no, you know, orientation toward law or legal analysis. You have people walking around saying left and right. I can't believe Trump is issuing illegal orders. And Kelly knew full well that that would be the result of what he did. Now, interesting point, really interesting is that my late dad, Arnold Burns, was a lawyer in the Judge Advocate General. People might say, why is he mentioning that? I'm mentioning it because my father used to talk all the time about the case that stands for the proposition that you can go back and re, you know, bring somebody back in for the purpose of court martialing them. Either he was involved or colleagues involved in that exact case. So the point is Kelly could be recalled.

[Rob Carson]

Okay?

[Doug Burns]

It's what you call sort of long arm jurisdiction. Bring him back into the military and face court martial. I thought what he did was disgusting. All of them, absolutely disgusting, because it was so misleading and so cynical in terms of capturing it in terms of a correct statement, which is you can disobey now illegal orders. I don't have to tell you, but for the listeners and your audience, illegal orders are things like kill civilians, commit a crime. You know, they're relatively clear and straightforward. I mean, this really was discussing.

[Rob Carson]

And military members already know that. Duh, they already know it. They're already told it. This was, this was bordering on sedition, if not completely sedition. You've got Democrats defending this with the First Amendment, defending things like saying that, you know, National Guard troops might murder civilians. You never know what will happen. And then what the hell happens? Some psycho who's let into the country after being unvetted murders a National Guard troop. And by the way, the young woman who was murdered by this sob she said that she was spat upon by people in Washington, D.C. just like Vietnam soldiers returning from Vietnam were by the left, for God's sake. And honestly, they are. They are using the First Amendment. And there's a, there's a line sooner or later, Doug, where the First Amendment isn't going to cover their butts.

[Doug Burns]

Now the First Amendment is going to go right out the window when you start going down these roads. You know, I'm not a psychiatrist, but I'll guarantee you, I think, Kelly, you would think that now he may hopefully be having some second thoughts about this ridiculous. He ought to come out and apologize, truth be told.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, he's not going to. He's not going to. I want the sob. I want him. Course I want him court martial. I'm giving a rat's behind about it.

[Doug Burns]

I don't, I don't blame you. I mean, I thought it was disgusting. And I was really, you know, again, just the point of personal thing. My father was a lawyer in the United States army for four years. He loved it. He probably would say it was the best part of his career, which was a pretty notable career, but that's another seminar. And so the reality of the matter is, is that it really is disgusting for these to. I mean, again, we've looked at this from 30,000ft so many times. And the point is, you know, everything is too far off the rails, okay? And everybody's got to take it down a notch and not come out. And by the way, the other part of this, which we didn't articulate, but I know, everybody knows, is this nonsense of, you know, fronting your credibility. You know, I served.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Doug Burns]

In that capacity. That's a big part of it. And that makes it even more disgraceful, you know, 100%.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I appreciate you being on today, Doug. Leftover salmon is always great. I, I mix it with some cracker crumbs and an egg and make a patty.

[Doug Burns]

I'm heading to the fridge right now, buddy.

[Rob Carson]

All right, my friend. God bless you and, and, and Merry Christmas and all that. We'll talk again soon. All right, let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. Coming up, the biggest smackdown by Donald Trump of a liberal reporter with a stupid question from, from this year, maybe ever. We'll get to that. A lot of politicians are getting coal in their stocking for Christmas. Birch Gold thinks is a smart planner. You deserve silver. Every $5,000 you invest right now in gold from Birch Gold, they're going to send you an ounce of silver, which is up over 60% this year. Year. You know, silver and gold. Silver and gold. You need them both in your portfolio. That's why I encourage you to buy gold from Birch Gold. With the rate cuts from the Fed in 2026, the dollar will be worth less. And what happens if the AI bubble burst, huh? What about that? You think about that. Diversify. Physical gold, was it $2,600 at the beginning of last year is over four. It was 4,200 bucks last week. Week. You get an ounce of silver for your stocking, for your kids. How about that? How about that? Put a silver ounce coin in the kids stocking, huh? How about that? Wouldn't that be neat? Plus, then you're just going to be investing your IRA or 401k in gold. Kaboom. Holy heck. Santa Claus didn't even need to come this year. Although I'm sure he will. Text Rob to 989-898 to claim your eligibility for this offer. Again, Rob to the number 989-898 because Birch Cold's free silver with qualifying purchases ends December 22nd. So Joe Biden let in 100,000 Afghans. One of them killed a National Guards woman in Washington D.C. last Wednesday, died on Thanksgiving, and another one is in critical condition. And a woman was asked why he blames Joe Biden for it.

[News Reporter]

Why do you blame the Biden administration?

[Doug Burns]

Because they let him in.

[Rob Carson]

Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person? Because they came into on a plane. Plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't be here. If you ask that question, you're a friggin idiot. You are. Honestly, you are a friggin idiot.

[Doug Burns]

And you're just asking questions because you're a stupid person.

[Rob Carson]

And we. There's a law passed that it's almost. Yeah, you are a stupid person for asking the question. I'm so glad we have a president doing that. Jim Acosta is now saying that the press should, should boycott Donald Trump's pressers. Now, I want you to think about this. 98% of the time the, the news is negative on the press. Do you suppose Donald Trump, Trump would hate this? And that's why I, you know, I strongly believe, and I, there are people who disagree with me on this, that other folks in the press in the room should speak up in that moment and say, Mr. President, that is not appropriate. And you know, and double down on the questions that were asked. Why didn't you answer that question? Why are you resorting. Because it was a stupid question. To personal attacks. My answer should be obvious. Can you take the heat? What's going on here? And you know, to me, I think the only solution to all of this is collective action. We need to see the networks get together, together perhaps with some of the major newspapers. Send a letter to the White House, send it to Caroline Levitt and say, listen, if the President does not stop these attacks, we're not coming into your. There you go. It's like having your drunken uncle at Christmas not show up. You're like, well, hell yeah. By who cares? You guys are losers and liars anyway. You know, Russia, collusion, anybody? Hour number three of the show right ahead.

[Doug Burns]

Don't go anywhere.

[Rob Carson]

This is the right choice.