Toxic Femininity & Soy-Boy Masculinity

Summary

The Rob Carson Show

Episode: Toxic Femininity & Soy-Boy Masculinity
Date: December 10, 2025
Host: Rob Carson
Guest: Fred Flights (Former NSC Chief of Staff, CIA Analyst, Senior Fellow at America First Policy Institute)

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Overview

This episode of "The Rob Carson Show" delves humorously and critically into contemporary debates about masculinity, femininity, and societal challenges. Rob Carson uses political and cultural developments—particularly Democratic politics, immigration issues, and welfare fraud—to fuel a lively discussion about "toxic femininity," "soy-boy masculinity," woke culture, and the state of national identity. The show blends topical parody, biting commentary, and the perspectives of guest Fred Flights to unpack issues from government fraud schemes to national security.

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Main Themes & Purpose

• Defining and Defending Masculinity: Rob pushes back against “toxic masculinity” labels, instead emphasizing traditional masculine virtues and responsibilities.
• Critique of “Toxic Femininity” and Political “Karens”: Discussion on prominent liberal women in politics and protest spaces being the true sources of toxicity.
• "Soy-Boy Masculinity" & Political Leadership: Satirical jabs at Gov. Tim Walz and Gov. Gavin Newsom for discussing masculinity despite, in Rob’s view, lacking authenticity.
• Somali Welfare Fraud and Immigration: Exposé of widespread fraud scandals in Minnesota, Maine, and Europe—framed as a crisis tied to immigration policies and Democratic governance.
• National Identity and Security: With Fred Flights, exploration of how immigration, radical Islam, and weak leadership are eroding Western civilization in both the U.S. and Europe.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Masculinity & Cultural Satire

• Parody and Commentary:
  • Rob cracks jokes about Gavin Newsom's body language, satirizing his masculinity:
    “He had his legs twisted around like he was Stretch Armstrong or something. Like a girl version of Stretch Armstrong…” (02:28)
  • Masculinity is recast as a set of virtues and hard work:

    “Masculinity is not about being able to change your spark plugs... Masculinity fights wars. Masculinity plows fields... runs into burning houses and carries people out...” — Rob Carson (03:19)

• Pushback Against "Toxic Masculinity":
  Rob asserts the "toxic masculinity" narrative has gone nowhere and instead points fingers at what he labels "toxic femininity" exemplified by political women and protestors in the Democratic party.

2. "Toxic Femininity" & "Karen" Culture

• Political "Karens":
  • Names like Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton, and protestors at rallies are invoked as examples.
  • A satirical reenactment features “Karen” calling 911 during a political confrontation, demonstrating “toxic femininity” and overreaction:

    “Yeah, that's Karen. That's toxic femininity, and that is indeed toxic.” — Rob Carson (05:35)

3. Mockery of Tim Walz and Gavin Newsom on Masculinity

• "Soy-Boy Masculinity":
  • Rob mocks the idea that Govs. Walz and Newsom can authentically discuss masculinity:

    “The soyest of the soy boy... he walks and waves like he's a Broadway star, whatever.” — Rob Carson (05:52)

  • Audio is played from their podcast, with Rob highlighting their disconnect from real masculinity:

    “They have no friggin clue what it is about being a man, about being a father, about being a husband...” — Rob Carson (07:13)

• Ridicule of Progressive Policies (e.g., Tampons in Boys’ Rooms):
  • Nicknames like "Tampon Tim" for Tim Walz, with recurring jokes about his residence.
  • Musical parody lampoons alleged political fraud and lack of accountability (08:19–09:17).

4. Somali Welfare Fraud Scandal

• Exposé on Medicaid and Relief Fraud:
  • Focus on Christopher Bernardini’s revelations about Gateway Community Services in Maine and connections to similar fraud in Minnesota.
  • Detailed allegations that welfare and Medicaid funds have been siphoned to Somalia and possibly terrorist groups:

    “The financial contributions I was sending back were being used to support the forces for buying bullets, ammunition, and food.” — Abdullahi Ali (translated, quoted by Bernardini) (12:05)

  • Rob uses sardonic language comparing Jubaland (Somalia) to “Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome” (11:34, 14:00).

5. Immigration, Identity, and National Cohesion

• National Security and Radical Islam:
  • Fred Flights explains Trump’s European security strategy and frames mass, unmanaged immigration as civilizational erasure:

    “Europe is facing civilizational erasure because of out-of-control, unvetted immigration...” — Fred Flights (24:27)

  • Discussion of terrorist attacks and the impact on European Christmas markets.
  • Reference to Hungary under Viktor Orban as a positive example of strong border control and defense of Western tradition (25:32–27:23).

6. Welfare Program Abuse in the U.S. and Europe

• Broader Fraud Issues:
  • Explains the difficulty in tracking federal benefits in states like Maryland and Minnesota due to Democratic governments’ lack of transparency (33:41).
  • Brooke Rollins’s efforts are cited as positive action in holding states accountable for SNAP benefit abuse (35:39).
  • Welfare dependency among migrants is tied to the erosion of Western societies.

7. Call for Civil Courage and National Renewal

• Rob calls on listeners not to fear cultural celebrations (like Christmas markets) and to reclaim public spaces from fear and intimidation:

  “I would encourage those who are afraid to go to Christmas markets to go to the Christmas markets. Bring your pepper spray or whatever you got and bring some big friends with you because I'm done with this bullcrap. We cannot live in fear...” — Rob Carson (37:30)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Redefining Toxicity:

  “If you want to talk about toxicity, talk about toxic femininity…” — Rob Carson (03:19)

• On Masculinity:

  “Masculinity is not toxic… masculinity fights wars… masculinity does the dirty work.” — Rob Carson (03:19)

• Musical Parody Mocking Tim Walz:
  • [08:19–09:17] “Oust Tim Walls for dereliction. FA la la la la la… Tampons should go…”
• Satirical Comparison of Somali Politics to Mad Max:

  “Welcome to Jubaland. You must fight to the death. Somalia.” — Rob Carson (11:34)

• Audible Frustration with Politicians:

  “Yeah. We don't want them in our country. Let them go back to where they came from and fix it.” — Rob Carson (10:00)

• On the Need for Muslim Voices Against Extremism:

  “It is time for peaceful people who worship Islam and follow Islam to speak up and end this because they've got to be part of the group that eliminates it.” — Rob Carson (30:23)

• On European Security:

  “Europe is facing civilizational erasure because of out-of-control, unvetted immigration that is frankly destroying European society.” — Fred Flights (24:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:19] — Rob's personal definition of masculinity and rebuttal to "toxic masculinity"
• [04:53–05:35] — Karen protest parody (toxic femininity in action)
• [06:08–07:13] — Satire about Tim Walz, Gavin Newsom, and “soy-boy masculinity”
• [08:19–09:17] — Musical parody of Tim Walz and scandals in Minnesota
• [10:14–12:48] — Somali welfare and Medicaid fraud exposé with quotes from Christopher Bernardini and translation from Abdullahi Ali
• [13:46–16:54] — Analysis of money flowing from US aid to Somalia and implications
• [23:42–27:23] — Fred Flights discusses Donald Trump's national security strategy, Orban, and European immigration
• [29:31–30:33] — Muslim voices against extremism; Rob and Fred's reflections
• [33:41–36:03] — Discussion of fraud in welfare/benefit programs, Brooke Rollins, and state accountability
• [37:30] — Rob’s call for courage and reclaiming public spaces

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Tone & Style

• Biting, Sarcastic, and Parodic: Rob uses humor and parody songs, sharp cultural references, and sarcasm to both entertain and criticize.
• Conversational but Provocative: Interactions with Fred Flights blend expertise with accessible language.
• Occasionally Abrasive: Strong language and direct insults are employed, especially toward political figures.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

This episode delivers a no-holds-barred, often satirical critique of contemporary American cultural crisis, centering on masculinity, femininity, immigration, and institutional corruption. Rob Carson lampoons Democratic leaders and leftist activists for emasculating men and enabling what he brands as “toxic femininity.” The show then turns to substantive national issues: widespread welfare fraud in immigrant communities, particularly in Minnesota and Maine, and its connections to Somali politics and terrorism. With Fred Flights, the discussion expands to European parallels, arguing that national identity and security are under threat from unchecked immigration and weak leadership. Throughout, the tone is irreverent and combative, packed with humor, parody, and unapologetic political takes.

Transcript

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[Fred Flights]

You are about to hear the most interesting, informative, thought provoking and funny show.

[Rob Carson]

In America on air and on the World Wide Web.

[Fred Flights]

This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Rob Carson]

This is hour number two of the Rob Carson Show. Joining us at the bottom of the hour is Fred Flights. He's always awesome. Former NSC chief of staff, CIA analyst and all of that. Senior fellow. That's pretty fancy. America First Policy Institute can be talking about a lot of stuff, including Trump's national security strategy. Strategy. Strategy. No, that's I'm not Jasmine Crockett strategy. Tough love to save Europe. We'll talk about that and other things because there's, you know, international stuff going on. All of that and all of that.

And of course, new comedy from Jim Gossett, among other things. Tim Vaults and Gavin Newsom did a podcast together. I don't know what I would listen to it. But anyway, they talked about masculinity. Have you, have you seen the video of Gavin Newsom when he was doing. Was it the New York Times thinking he had his legs twisted around like he was Stretch Armstrong or something. Like a girl version of Stretch Armstrong. You know, just really. Oh my God, he will never be the president. I just want to say that right now. And of course neither will Tim Vert. But anyway, Tim Wiltz thinks that somehow.

These guys have something to say about masculinity.

Let me just tell you something.

Masculinity is not about being able to change your spark plugs or retire. Masculinity doesn't necessarily mean you can. You can shoot a shotgun, alright? There's a. There's a combination of things that make you masculine and, and masculinity is not toxic. We've been told that masculinity is toxic. No, because mask masculinity fights wars. Masculinity plows fields. Masculinity goes, you know, works lobster boats. Masculinity does the dirty work. Masculinity does the heavy lifting. Masculinity does the high rise welding in the middle of nowhere. Masculinity runs into houses and carries people out on their shoulders. Burning houses. Okay, so you know, let's just get off the toxic masculinity crap. That went nowhere. It was a joke. If you want to talk about toxicity, talk about toxic femininity. The toxic femininity of Jennifer Welch. Is it Felch? No, it's Welch. It's Welch. Jennifer Welch. Okay, so there's that. I always miss that. Who else? What about, what about Kamala Harris? What about Hillary Clinton? What about, what about the, the toxic Karens who, who are always the spokespeople when it comes to, you know, being out at these idiotic rallies and whatnot. These toxic Karens who, who have taken over the Democrat party. What about that? What about that? I think I got. Let me see Caitlin. Let me see Caitlin Bennett. Here's Caitlin Bennett out the other day being attacked by Karen's of toxic femininity and their Karens. 911.

[Fred Flights]

Would someone please call 911? I'm not going to talk to you about this any longer.

[Rob Carson]

Why not?

[Fred Flights]

Because I don't know if I can trust you.

[Rob Carson]

Could we put her picture on your protest sign?

[Fred Flights]

Would you stand up for her?

[Rob Carson]

Who was killed by an illegal immigrant while jogging?

[Fred Flights]

All immigrants are not criminals. And that is my last. Would you put her picture on your side? Call 911. Would someone please call 91 1?

[Rob Carson]

Call 91 1. I don't have an answer. She's got to be arrested.

[Fred Flights]

I this.

[Rob Carson]

I'm being harassed. Her speech is disin.

[Fred Flights]

Asked her to Walk away. She is not. Please call 91 1.

[Rob Carson]

Back up. You're in.

[Fred Flights]

Don't.

Get away from me now.

[Rob Carson]

Away from me before I punch you. Excuse me. Goodbye.

[Fred Flights]

Yes, she is. She's following me and she's putting the.

[Rob Carson]

Microphone in my face. Yeah, that's Karen. That's toxic femininity and that is indeed toxic. All right? Being a strong man, being a football coach, you know, is not toxic. But here. Here's two of the most. I mean.

The soyest of the soy boy meets, you know, I don't even know what he is. He walks and waves like, you know, he's a Broadway star, whatever. So here's Tim Voats and Gavin Newsom talking about masculinity. But I think this notion of. I think it's.

[Fred Flights]

This notion of toxicity and masculinity needs to be separated.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, my God. And I think it's been conflated and I think we're going to have to work on that a little bit. I think there's. Look, there is a crisis.

[Fred Flights]

Some of us scare.

[Rob Carson]

Listen, Tim Waltz thinks that he scares men like you and me. I'm just not talking to the. I'm just talking to everybody here. It's not just the men. I'm talking about them and the masculine men and the women who love them.

He says.

Tim Waltz says that he scares us a little bit. Why they spend so much time on us.

[Fred Flights]

No, I'm serious.

[Rob Carson]

Because I can fix. They know I'm not bull. I can fix the truck. I'm a masculine man. I'm not putting this in people's grill. I don't know. Oh, in my grill. Dear God, man, how old are you?

[Fred Flights]

My identity is not hunting.

[Rob Carson]

My identity is not football coaching.

[Fred Flights]

My identity is not, you know, a.

[Rob Carson]

Beard in a truck. He thinks that those things make you a man.

I gotta tell you. I gotta tell you. I. I gotta tell you, if they have no friggin what masculinity is about, they have no friggin clue what it is about being a man, about being a father, about being a husband, about being. You're divorced. Yeah, I know I am. I did my very best, man. I. I did my level best to be a great husband and father. I failed in so many ways, but I succeeded in more ways than you can ever, ever, ever imagine. Ever imagine. And that these two toads are going to tell a tampon. Tim, the guy.

Who lives in a Stay Free maxi pad. He does. It's a very large home on Summit Avenue in St. Paul. And it's very big. So it's a maxi pad. And he lives there for nothing because he's got so it's his stay free. Maxi pad is what he lives in. And his name is Tampon Tim because he thinks that tampons belong in the boys rooms. I mean honestly, really. He's masculine. He's a man. And Gavin Newsom. Are you freaking kidding me?

[Fred Flights]

Oust Tim Walls for dereliction. FA la la la la la la.

[Rob Carson]

La Sound like masculine men.

[Fred Flights]

His explanation is pure fiction. La la la la la la la.

[Rob Carson]

La la Somalis they have stolen millions, committed fraud so much fraud La la la la la it could run into the billions.

[Fred Flights]

Watch Tim Walls applaud Applaud the fraud.

[Rob Carson]

Tim did nothing bout the stealing. Tim Waltz was aware of what they took Another case of dirty deal and.

[Fred Flights]

Tim Waltz is involved cause he's a.

[Rob Carson]

Pro.

Should impeach him, vote him up.

[Fred Flights]

Throw him out the door.

[Rob Carson]

A lesson that would finally teach him.

[Fred Flights]

Tampons should go.

[Rob Carson]

The initials.

Discovered by the IRS for which the initial fraud that was discovered by the IRS for which I'm the.

[Fred Flights]

Acting commissioner is discovered by IRS criminal investigator.

[Rob Carson]

He's more masculine than those two issues unit. This was not an endogenous thing that the state of Minnesota decided We had to go in and clean up the mess for them. And this is part of the continued cleanup. That money has gone overseas and we.

[Fred Flights]

Are tracking that both to the Middle east and Somalia.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. To see what the uses of that have been.

[Fred Flights]

These are people that do nothing but complain.

[Rob Carson]

They complain and from where they came from, they got nothing. Yeah. We don't want them in our country. Let them go back to where they came from and fix it.

[Fred Flights]

We feel like there is an unhealthy obsession that he has in the Somali community and an unhealthy and creepy obsession that he has. And you got to learn the not to defraud the American people.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. About tired of this nonsense. How about you? I don't even know why that music on.

Second Democrat run state hit by accusations of Somalia fraud with woke lawmaker giving a vile answer to voters who asked him about it. Second Democrat run state this is Maine, by the way. Maine. And this is all over the country. By the way. This is all over the country. Here is.

We've got a guy here. He was featured on Carl Higby broke the story about a week ago, by the way, on Newsmax. Christopher Bernardini talking about how he worked as a billing guru for Portland based Gateway community services for seven years until April 2020. 5 While Somalis were defrauding Medicaid. And it was gigantic. It was absolutely giant. Let me grab the sound here. Here is the sound bite now. Yeah. It's the man who ultimately founded and.

[Fred Flights]

Was the executive director of this social services agency here in Lewiston, Maine, and in other parts of Maine, was at the same time last year running for.

[Rob Carson]

President of Jubaland, which is a subsection of. Doesn't that just sound like a Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome? Welcome to Jubaland. You must fight to the death. Somalia.

[Fred Flights]

On the border with Kenya.

[Rob Carson]

His name is Abdullahi Ali. And in an interview.

[Fred Flights]

This is where it gets real crazy with Kenyan media.

[Rob Carson]

He openly discussed contributing money back to Somalia and paramilitary forces. Abdullahi Ali posted to his own presidential media page.

[Fred Flights]

In a section we had translated, he said this.

[Rob Carson]

What?

[Fred Flights]

When I was away and abroad, the financial contributions I was sending back were being used to support the forces for buying bullets, ammunition, and food. And it's just an absolute slap in the face to every Maine taxpayer that these funds that could be used to help Maine people, Maine veterans, Maine senior citizens, Maine families who are struggling, are being funneled to Somalia directly. I learned that he was running for president of Jubaland, which is like a small country inside of Somalia, and that he had admitted to funding the militia groups over there. I guess that's part of. In Somalia. In Somalia, that's part of their thing that they do. Every president has a militia that they have to fund in order to run for president.

[Rob Carson]

And so what do you think about that? It's such a crap hole. It's the meth lab trailer park of the world. It's such a crap hole that to run for president, you have to have your own militia.

I got more on this, but it's about the massive defrauding of the American taxpayer by people who shouldn't even be in the damned country. And fortunately, our president is saying, if you live in an S hole country and you're just coming here to defraud America and.

Your country, you've been around for a thousand years and you still suck. How about you just stay there? So that's all coming up. This is the Rob Carson Show.

Bring joy to the world. It's the thing to do. But the world does not revolve around you. Don't be a jerk. He's more masculine than Tim Walls. It's Christmas. That is SpongeBob, by the way.

Here is the president last night in Pennsylvania.

Provided I can get it to play. Hold on one second. Let me start that Again, here is the president last night in Pennsylvania.

[Fred Flights]

I mean, it's considered about the worst.

[Rob Carson]

Country in the world, right?

[Fred Flights]

They have no military, they have no nothing.

[Rob Carson]

They have no parliament. They don't know what the hell the word parliament means.

[Fred Flights]

They have nothing. They have no police.

[Rob Carson]

They police themselves. They kill each other all the time.

[Fred Flights]

I love it. She comes to our country and she's.

[Rob Carson]

Always complaining about the constitution allows me to do this.

[Fred Flights]

We ought to get her to hell out.

[Rob Carson]

She married her brother in order to get in. Right?

[Fred Flights]

She married her brother.

[Rob Carson]

You know, we're a kind and benevolent people. And right now, and we have been b slapped by the third world. We've had the Democrat party who spent the last 30 years telling us how bad we suck, how bad our country sucks, and then inviting the drugs of the third world world to come in here and take advantage of us. And then we complain about it. You say, well, you're racist and you suck. Do you understand how that kind of works? Destroy your self worth. Destroy the preciousness of being an American and how glorious it is to be here so you can bring in the third world and load them up with largesse so they will vote and keep Democrats in power. Do you understand it now? Yeah. Yeah, it all kind of makes sense, doesn't it? This is, by the way, there's a second Democrat run state, widespread Somali fraud, including this guy who is in office and he, he was running for warlord in Somalia. By the way, this guy, we just mentioned his name a second ago and I've. Oh yeah, the. The company's founder. This, this Medicaid, Maine's Medicaid program. Abdullah Ali, Somalian American who ran for president of Jubaland, the state in Somalia. They call it Jubaland. This is like Mad Max beyond Thunderdome. It really is, right? It's exactly like Mad Max beyond Thunderdome. I make no apologies for building a successful business in Maine. Sure you didn't do anything. Working hard to pay to earn a living. Earning my PhD. Giving back to my main community. Sending money back to Jubaland. Jubaland. Easy is running for Jubaland where they have a Thunderdome. They fight to the death over there, but they're so weak from hunger they can't fight very long. Here is the guy who broke the story. This guy used to work in this office that defrauded all the money and he moved to Florida after Covid. So we. He's been working remote.

[Fred Flights]

It. It could be, it could be in the millions. The audit revealed almost $1 million back in 2018, in overbuilding. And our programs had grown significantly since then. One of the programs I worked in was an entirely new program, so Gateway Community Services. Who knows? It could be in the millions. All those years, seven years I was there, and, you know, I didn't see a lot of stuff at first, but. But during the pandemic, especially the last few years, I've been working remote from Florida. And so I didn't see any of the people. I didn't see any of the staffs in person, none of that stuff. I just saw the massive amount of turnover, new people coming in.

[Rob Carson]

What else?

[Fred Flights]

A lot of migrant community getting jobs, a lot of new migrant clients, stuff like that. And like, a lot of the stuff I just couldn't verify.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, there you go. Yesterday, we heard a TSA agent at Minneapolis St. Paul International Airport, they Somalians, a couple Somalians would come in, two Somali men, and they'd bring in a giant suitcase and it'd be full of cash. And they take it back and they search it and make sure that it was just cash and not anything else, and just let them go through. Just let them go through. Let them go back to Somalia, take their millions of dollars in cash with them. That's your taxpayer money. By the way, Here is this Christopher Bernardini, who found out this in the state of Maine, how he put two and two together.

[Fred Flights]

I made a connection through from Gateway to the Minnesota people by, you know, them telling me about their family they had in Minnesota. The executives of Gateway, the Somalian executives, had family that they used to visit in Minnesota, their families to visit them.

[Rob Carson]

From Minnesota, like the aliens from Independence Day.

[Fred Flights]

And they used to talk about the agencies they ran out there. It was a similar kind of setup. You know, there was a connection there between all of them feeding kids, you.

[Rob Carson]

Know, taking care of kids with autism, lying about everything.

[Fred Flights]

Christopher, how long had this been going on? You were a Gateway for quite some time. How long has this been going on, this fraud? I was there from 2018 to recently, 2025, 28. And I hadn't realized about the audit that had been completed in 2018. So before I even got there. Yeah, they were complicit in some of this stuff.

[Rob Carson]

What?

[Fred Flights]

And that was corroborated by the audits that were reported in the Steve Robinson article from the Main Wire. That's what really made me come forward.

[Rob Carson]

Because you've been going on for a really long time. And you know that Tim Vaults, the DFL in Minnesota, and Tim Ellis, Keith Ellison, the AG of Minnesota, who Literally said that, don't worry, we'll shut down any investigations of all the Somali fraud up here. No big deal. Just keep the money. Coming to my conference, they did find a recording where he said essentially that Liz Collins, she did a marvelous documentary on the burning and sacking of Minneapolis while Tim Wurtz was the governor and Jacob Fry was the mayor. And she's discovered a lot more about what's happening in Minnesota. And yes, I want Ilhan Omar indicted, tried, convicted, removed from office and kicked the hell out of the country for good. For good. That's it. Anyone in Minnesota, regardless of your nationality, who's not here legally, particularly Somalians who've come here, 85% of them on welfare in Minnesota, if they came here fraudulently, bye, bye, go back to Somalia. Make Somalia great. I would say again, but it's never been great. It's always sucked. Who knew what and when you laid.

[Fred Flights]

That out, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, she held several events at the restaurant named in.

[Rob Carson]

The Feeding Our Future Fraud, including hosting.

[Fred Flights]

Her congressional win in 2018.

[Rob Carson]

At that, she got the $250 million. They stole a restaurant, so she got it through Congress. Just said, here, go, go.

[Fred Flights]

One of the owners. Very well, Saleem said is his name, who has since been convicted. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry, senior policy aide Abdinur Salah also entered a guilty plea. He was tied to the case. Campaign donations from some of the defendants in PDR future eventually returned, as you mentioned, to Jacob, Attorney General Keith Ellison, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.

[Rob Carson]

But you're right.

[Fred Flights]

I sat down with the lead prosecutor in the case, Assistant U.S. attorney Joe.

[Rob Carson]

Thompson talked to him months ago, and.

[Fred Flights]

I asked him, will we see any.

[Rob Carson]

Of these political leaders indicted? Come on. At the time, he said he could not comment on future indictments.

[Fred Flights]

But even back then, the feds made it very clear that it seemed that these cases were still wide open.

[Rob Carson]

And now we're hearing about multiple social programs in Minnesota. And one of the people that are going after them is Scott Besson is the head of the IRS or acting head of the irs. So they're going to go after them in this direction. Now we just need dhs, which is in Minneapolis right now going after illegals, Somalians and otherwise. The FBI also have to be involved. And the people, the politicians in charge that presided over this for at least seven years must be investigated, indicted, tried, convicted, removed from office, thrown in jail, or thrown out of the country. Fred Flights joins us next. Don't go anywhere.

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And it's a Rob Carson show on a Wednesday, 15 days from Christmas. It's ridiculous how quickly the Christmas season is, is here and, and it will be over. So enjoy every second of it. That's what I'm gonna do whether you like it or not. Ho, ho, ho, there you go. I'm going to be, I'm going to be painfully joyful is what it's going to be.

A lot of people in Europe, the elites in Europe, not very joyful. They're very dour people. The left, very dour wherever they are. You don't expect joy from the, from the left. And Donald Trump would like to save Europe's rear end, like to pull their butts out of the fire. But the elites in Europe, not so crazy. I guess they like the downward project trajectory of the, of the countries involved there. Fred Flights joins us to talk about that. He is a former NSC chef, I should say chief of staff of the Trump administration, CIA analyst, senior fellow of the America First Policy Institute. I hope that doesn't fit on all, all on one business card, but he's here with us today. Fred, welcome to the show.

[Fred Flights]

Hey, good to be here.

[Rob Carson]

You know, Fred, there is a, we've heard of Trump derangement syndrome. Trump derangement syndrome has driven People insane that Donald Trump has won the election. And right now, the Democrat strategy to combat Trump is basically no matter how good, what he does is to say the opposite, to absolutely block everything he does and say everything he does, from killing narcos in drug boats to closing the border to bringing down crime massively. It's all bad. And it sounds like they're kind of doing the same thing in Europe as Donald Trump is trying to promote European greatness. What are your thoughts on this? I know you got a new piece on this on the Newsmax site. Tell me your thoughts.

[Fred Flights]

Yes, it's in Our favorite publication, Newsmax.com Yes. And I talk about how the National Security Strategy section in Europe is not anti Europe like these European elitists are claiming. It's pro Europe. It does say let's make Europe great again. And why they're mad is because of the concept brought in there that Europe is facing civilizational erasure because of out of control, unvetted immigration that is frankly destroying European society.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. And that's happening here. And we fortunately were able to nip it in the bud. Some countries in Europe have kind of gotten wind of this, made some changes. Poland, certainly, Italy, certainly some state. Some countries that are kind of on the cusp. France, you know, Marie Le Pen has been told she can't be in office for another five years because of some trumped up bullcrap charges to keep her out of office. I've heard debates as to whether England is already past the point of no return. What are you, what are you hearing?

[Fred Flights]

Well, since it's Christmas time, I want to give you a Christmas example, please. I'm close to a lot of people in Hungary. I don't know if you've ever been to one of these outdoor Christmas markets.

[Rob Carson]

They have.

[Fred Flights]

And they have something called mulled wine. It's spiced wine my wife and I love. And you can buy crafts. They sing Christmas carols and it's just wonderful. But, Rob, they're not having these celebrations in many European cities or they're being done with high security because radical Islamist have used vehicles to run people down. They have broken up these celebrations in Brussels and in Berlin this year with loud jeering crowds and whistles and playing loud music to basically destroy the celebration because they disagree with it, because they disagree with European culture, because they hate Christianity. This is civilization ratio, Rob. People who are afraid to go to these celebrations now, that's what this is. And the European elite, they don't want to admit this. Instead they're saying To Hungary, you admit an EU quota of illegal migrants or we'll fine you a million euros a day. Unfortunately, Prime Minister Orban said, get lost. I'm not going to do that. So after they've destroyed European society, they want to destroy Hungary society, too.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, well, Orban is one of the guys who's kind of trying to pull it out of the fire. And he is a Trumpian populist, isn't he?

[Fred Flights]

And in addition. Yes, he certainly is. And I was at a meeting with the President Orban at Mar a Lago last year, and I saw the two of them. I can't talk about the discussion, but I will tell you that the two of them had a very good discussion about illegal immigration. They agree on that completely. And in addition to not letting in illegal migrants, he has done mass deportations.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Fred Flights]

So he basically set the model for what President Trump is successfully doing now to protect our homeland.

[Rob Carson]

Well, we are just beginning to see the beginnings of ending this and starting the war on the spread of radical Islam. And now we can say radical Islam. Now, right after 9 11, George Bush, he said, we've got to understand why they hate us. And then they put a ground Zero mosque. And then America was very unbelievable with regard to forgiving radical or Islam or not holding Islam accountable of what happened on 9 11. And since we've seen radical Islam spreading its wing around America. This is Tommy Tuberville, Congressman, talking about what's going on in America that is already happening in Europe. There's some people come over from some of these countries that, that want to come here for a better life, and they're going to assimilate and go by the things that we believe in, go by our Constitution. The Muslim group, Steve, this is World War 3, okay? And it's going to be on our soil and it's coming so fast. Within five or 10 years, it is going to be way out of control. We have a prime example of this. Europe, Europe is gone. And it. They will have to fight in the streets to get it back. And that's coming. And so we do not want that to happen here. And the people of Alabama, the people of Hoover saw this and they want to stop it. Before now, the people of Hoover, Alabama, they wanted to build a large Islamic Sharia compliant school there. And the people of that town said, now we're done. He also mentioned he thought Europe is gone, fighting is next in the street. You mentioned in Hungary with regard to Orban and these Christmas bazaars and whatnot. The Islamists coming out do you suppose fighting in the street is next?

[Fred Flights]

Well, we're just not seeing this in Hungary. They're having. It's very peaceful. Let me add, most Muslims are peaceful. I have many Muslim friends. Dr. Zudi Jasser is a Navy surgeon. He's actually running for Congress, I think, in Arizona. Brilliant man who's taught me a lot about radical Islam.

[Rob Carson]

Sure.

[Fred Flights]

In his view, there's too many mosques and Muslim clerics who, they're not radicals, but they want to speak out against this. So he's trying to get his co religionists to basically stand up to this radicalism because, you know, he gets tarred and feathered by this kind of stuff that he denounces very strongly.

[Rob Carson]

Well, it's amazing how the Democrat Party is willing to paint Trump supporters with a broad brush. We're all white supremacists. We are all maga fascist enemies of democracy. But when it comes to Islam, if you criticize radical Islam, you're an Islamic Islamopho folks. And I think that the Islamic community. I don't want to, you know, I'm with you on Jasser. I'm with a lot, a lot of. Listen, I got a brother right here in the office where I work, Islam. He follows Islam and I talk to him frequently about it. But it is time for the peaceful people.

Who worship Islam and follow Islam to speak up and end this because they've got to be a part of the group that eliminates it. I wouldn't want this cancer affiliated with my faith, would you?

[Fred Flights]

No. That's good. I think you put it exactly right. But sometimes when we talk about this, we conservatives.

Generalizes too much. I don't want to count out people like Zoody Jasser, who of course as a Muslim has fought against radical Islam and he's made the point to me that most Muslims are peaceful. They're our neighbors and doctors and businessmen. And frankly, they deserve to be part of our society too. But they have to help us and standing up to members of the religion. Look, there's radicals in Christian Christianity too, who you and I will speak out against. So we have to be fair, but also very precise.

[Rob Carson]

Well, you also have to look at the rationality or the rationality of it. And you know, whereas, you know, you look at the. Most of the violence in this country comes from the left. Most of the violence in the world as far as from religion comes from Islam. That's just the way it is. I want to talk to you about the abuse of the welfare system in not only Minnesota and Maine, but also in the Nordic countries. Can you stick around for the next break to talk about that?

[Fred Flights]

Okay, I'll be here.

[Rob Carson]

All right. Cool. Fred Flights. More with Fred coming up on the other side of the break. This is the Rob Carson Show.

Poor little Democrats. Are you guys okay today? I came in to check on you. Every time Trump does something good, you guys spazz out. Would you guys shut up and let him work.

[Fred Flights]

1991 is when the temporary status was granted.

[Rob Carson]

Somalia was a mess here to call for two. Protected status was first granted in 1991 when the country was torn apart by civil war and its national government collapsed. The designation has been extended many times since, many times more than 30 plus years.

[Fred Flights]

The President wants to terminate these protection orders.

[Rob Carson]

That's where we are. Yes, because the city general report says and shows that there has been massive fraud defrauding of American taxpayers, including of things like Covid era loans and much more. And that some people in the Somali community in Minnesota have sent money from those schemes back to Somalia and that some of them have found their way into the hands of the al Qaeda linked terrorist group Al Shabaab. Cases like that. The abuse of the welfare system system, the abuse of the housing system has been endemic in Somali emigre communities across Europe and other parts of the world. There you go. And this is not uncommon. I was reading the other day, I believe it was Switzerland, $250 million in fraud. Not sure if it was necessarily just Somalian, but it is immigrants from that part of the world. And this is not uncommon. And it sounds like during COVID it became a gravy train. Joining us to talk about this, among other things, Fred Flights, senior fellow at the American First Policy Institute. This, this Minnesota fraud ring spreading to Maine and other states. It sounds like Europe has had this been been going on for years.

[Fred Flights]

Well, I mean you and I are both unfortunate live in the People's Republic of Maryland and it's happening here. There's an effort by the Trump administration to get statistics from where where various wel goes that's given to the state of Maryland and the government won't say yes. And that's the same thing that's happening in Minnesota and various other states. These Democratic states take the money. They don't monitor where it's going or they send it for liberal causes that it wasn't intended for. This is money to help people eat and to have a place to live and to help them, you know, basically get by. But you know, frankly, once you liberal governments get hold of it, you know, I didn't realize it was going to. It may be going to fund Al Qaeda, but it doesn't surprise me.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. By the way, I do not live in Maryland. I lived there for 12 years and I opted not to move back to Maryland. I live in Virginia. Just in time for the Karenist of the Karens to be elected governor. So we'll see what happens with. That's okay. I mean it's just. Dude, Fred, I could not come back to Maryland considering the Maryland General Asylum and all of the nonsense. And then these blue, these blue. I hate that blue. It's red. Red is communist. I hate that nonsense. Oh yeah, the Democrat states are blue. No, they're not. They're red. They did that when Barack Obama was running for president because he was red.

[Fred Flights]

I didn't like that either.

[Rob Carson]

It was ridiculous.

[Fred Flights]

They did that deliberately because red is a communist color.

[Rob Carson]

But 1,000%. 1,000%. But, but these, these, these Democrat states, they are covering up who's getting the SNAP benefits. Brooke Rollins the other day said, here's the deal. Unless you tell us who is enrolled on SNAP benefits, you tell us us who it's going to. We are cutting off the aid and it's about time because they have abused these. I mean look Fred, 40% increase in the SNAP benefits. 50, 55% of the people enrolled in SNAP benefits are here illegally or not. American citizens. Really?

[Fred Flights]

That's exactly right. And isn't Brooke Rollins great? She's the former president of afbi so I have to put a plug in for her. She's basically kicking butt and taking names on the abuse of food benefits that as I said earlier, they're for poor people. It's money to help people eat. But so much of it is being wasted in fraud by professional fraudsters. So Brooks on the case.

[Rob Carson]

Well, you look at the number of people, migrants, illegal otherwise in Europe who are on government, the government dole. 55, 60, 70%. You know, this is a matter of the third world and you can, you know, know Donald Trump called a lot of countries s hole countries in the last term and everybody got all bent out of shape. But they are, there are s hole countries out there. I like to call Somalia the meth meth lab trailer park of the world. And don't you suppose, Fred, that if these people, these, these people you're racist. Oh, shut up. These countries not been able to get their crap together for a thousand years. You know, what are they doing? Well, what they're doing is they're taking advantage of, of wealthier countries and their generosity. And then they're not only moving in to take advantage of that, but also to export their beliefs and their, you know, their, their radical Islamism, among other things. And I think, I hope we've nipped this in the bud and I hope we got a lot of a big battle ahead of us, but I think maybe we caught it in time. We'll see. What do you think?

[Fred Flights]

I think Trump is on top of this.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Fred Flights]

And he's taking significant steps to reverse it. But there's also signs throughout Europe they're realizing that out of control immigration really is destroying their society. And I mean, obviously it's Christmas time. These Christmas markets are a very good example of it. So many families won't go to them in Europe, they're so worried that radical Islamists will attack them.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I think we're done with that. And I live, you know, in Northern Virginia where conservatives speak in hushed tones. I learned this and I said, bull crap. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it, Fred. I know some artists, some local artists who are conservative and they're afraid to say out loud that they're conservative. I'm done with that. I don't live in 1939 Germany. I'm not going to go through this nonsense. And I would encourage those who are afraid to go to Christmas markets to go to the Christmas markets. Bring your pepper spray or whatever you got and bring some big friends with you because I'm done with this bullcrap. We cannot live in fear, Fred. Flights, Fred. Flights. God bless you, my brother. You've got this great new piece on Newsmax.com, trump's National Security. Tough love to save Europe. Where else could people find your glorious work?

[Fred Flights]

You know, I hope your listeners will go to American greatness. On Friday, I'm writing a similar piece that highlights Hungary versus the other European Christmas markets.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I appreciate you being on the show today. God bless and merry Christmas.

[Fred Flights]

Merry Christmas. Thanks.

[Rob Carson]

All right, let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show.

Come on.

[Fred Flights]

On.

[Rob Carson]

I'm full of the Christmas spirit. There's nothing you can do about it. I'll have a blue.

[Fred Flights]

Christmas.

[Rob Carson]

Without Michael. I love you, but Elvis is better. Sorry, he just is. Nothing you can do about it. Just this version of the song. Just thinking.

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