Trust Trump, Fear Tehran

Summary

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The Rob Carson Show – "Trust Trump, Fear Tehran"

Date: June 18, 2026
Host: Rob Carson
Featured Guests: Matthew Farace, Brigitte Gabriel, commentary from Jesse Watters and Donald Trump
Theme: Debate and concern over President Trump’s Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with Iran in the aftermath of recent hostilities, U.S. and Israeli security, and the precedent it sets for America's promise to its allies.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on America’s controversial new Memorandum of Understanding with Iran following the recent war, President Trump’s justification for the deal, and heated reactions from advocates for Israel and Middle Eastern democracy. Rob Carson brings on thought leaders and activists, fielding skepticism and fear that the deal rewards a hostile regime and sets a dangerous precedent. Through listener calls and lively discussion, the conversation grapples with whether Trump’s record proves he can be trusted — or if this marks a significant mistake.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Deal: Rebuilding Iran and Its Conditions

Main debate: The U.S. and Gulf partners have agreed to allow a $300 billion fund (sourced from Gulf neighbors, not U.S. taxpayer money) targeted at rebuilding Iran, contingent on Iranian compliance.

• Jesse Watters (00:51; 01:37):
  • “If Iran screws around, they don’t get any investments…neighbors do business, they usually don’t go to war because war is bad for business.”
• Concerns:
  • Rob Carson and multiple guests worry the deal lacks adequate enforcement and teeth to prevent Iran from channeling funds to terror instead of reconstruction.

2. Fear of Betraying Allies & Reputation Risks

• Matthew Farace (03:20; 05:34):
  • “If this deal holds, Iran emerges stronger, more dangerous, and more deadly after the war than they were before the war, and that is why it’s such an unmitigated disaster.”
  • Cites history of U.S. abandoning the Kurds and worries U.S. promises cannot be trusted.
• Brigitte Gabriel (24:18; 27:55):
  • “When you are bombing and you are succeeding and you are on a roll, you don’t push pause. You continue until you’re fixed.”
  • Expresses deep frustration as both a Lebanese and Middle Eastern expert, comparing the agreement to signing a deal with Hitler without removing him from power.

3. The Drug Addict Analogy for Iran

• Matthew Farace (08:29):
  • “Imagine that you have drug addicts. Every time you give that drug addict friend money, he goes out and he buys cocaine...”
  • Farace argues Iran will funnel money toward terror and proxy wars despite safeguards.

4. Administration’s Motives & Media Response

• Rob Carson (12:35; 21:19):
  • Notes that even critics like Cory Booker and Hillary Clinton dislike the deal, making the host suspicious of their motives.
  • “When have they ever, ever been right on anything? When have they ever tried to protect this president?”
• Donald Trump (19:48; 20:44):
  • Criticizes media coverage: “If they raised the white flag of surrender and if they said ‘praise be to Allah, Donald Trump is the greatest president ever’…the Times refused to do a story.”
  • “93% of the stories on network, ABC is horrible…I never get good [coverage]. No matter what I do, I could do the greatest thing.”

5. Guest Perspectives on the Agreement

Matthew Farace (MAGA/Pro-Trump but highly critical)

• Biggest worry: Iran will cheat, using new cash and time to rearm and destabilize region (11:13; 13:14).
• On supporting Trump:
  • “He’s not God…If we care about President Trump, if we want God to have America’s back…people of conviction need to say, Mr. President, we love you…but we ask you to rethink this decision because we think you’re making a big mistake…” (11:13)

Brigitte Gabriel (Act for America)

• Strategic mistakes:
  • Ceasefires and deals seen as rewarding Iranian intransigence; believes the “pause” allows Iran to claim victory and regroup (24:18; 27:55).
• On Trump’s advisors:
  • Cites Jared Kushner and JD Vance among those influencing Trump in “the wrong direction”—overruling security hawks like John Ratcliffe and Marco Rubio (30:19).
• Emotional stakes:
  • “This is like writing an agreement with Hitler without defeating Hitler” (27:55).
• Iranian and Israeli loss of trust:
  • “The people of Iran will not trust America again…The people of Israel don’t trust America. The people of Lebanon don’t trust America. You cannot betray your allies…” (37:05)

JD Vance (Senator, Presser Soundbite)

• Explains that the MoU aims to permanently ensure freedom of passage in international waterways, not just for the short-term (32:12).

6. Strategic Calculations: Why Did Trump Do This?

• Brigitte Gabriel (33:39):
  • Trump “basically was buying time to replenish our petroleum reserve…to stabilize the world market, fully knowing that if this fight continued…it’s going to cause a global problem…He needed to do that. That gives him 60 days that lead us up to September...”
• Risk Calculation: The deal is temporary; if Iran cheats, Trump retains the option—and the global justification—to respond militarily, even close to midterms.

7. The “Teeth” That Are Needed

• Rob Carson repeatedly calls for a tougher final agreement:
  • “There are a lot of things that need to be hammered out. I need some teeth in this final agreement…the IRGC has to be out of power…They have to stop the terror proxies…” (26:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Matthew Farace (03:20):

  • “If this deal holds, Iran emerges stronger, more dangerous and more deadly after the war than they were before the war, and that is why it’s such an unmitigated disaster.”

• Brigitte Gabriel (27:55):

  • “This is like writing an agreement with Hitler without defeating Hitler…”

• Matthew Farace (08:29):

  • “You really think we’re gonna give those guys a dollar and…that’s gonna [go to] infrastructure? They don’t care about their people. …They killed 100,000 of their people just a couple of months ago.”

• Rob Carson (13:34):

  • “I want to start having you on like every week because you’re great. You know that I’m a friend of Israel, you know that I’m a friend of Donald Trump.”

• Donald Trump (19:48):

  • “The New York Times and CNN…they’re not all that dishonest. They say Iran had a great victory. Okay, they practically do that. …When we knocked out the last ship, the Times refused to do a story.”

• Brigitte Gabriel (33:39):

  • “It’s like uprooting cancer… you don’t say, oh, you know what, we ran out of time. Let’s just close it up. …Of course the cancer is going to metastasize.”

• Rob Carson (38:45):

  • “This is 47 years we’ve waited for this moment. …We cannot let the dream of a free Iran disappear into the dustbin of history.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Quote | Speaker/Description | | :-- | :---------------------- | :--- | | 01:05–02:07 | Deal summary, initial commentary | Jesse Watters, Donald Trump, Rob Carson | | 02:49–05:21 | Skepticism from Israel expert | Matthew Farace | | 08:29 | "Drug addict" analogy | Matthew Farace | | 11:13–12:35 | Farace: “He’s not God…”; on voicing concerns to Trump | Matthew Farace | | 19:48–20:44 | Trump on media bias | Donald Trump | | 24:18–27:55 | Gabriel: Why the deal is dangerous | Brigitte Gabriel | | 30:19 | Gabriel: Who’s advising Trump | Brigitte Gabriel | | 33:39 | “Uprooting cancer” analogy | Brigitte Gabriel | | 37:05 | Fallout for Iranian and Israeli trust in U.S. | Brigitte Gabriel | | 38:45 | Carson’s passionate close on historic opportunity for Iran | Rob Carson |

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• Overarching sentiment: Deep skepticism – even among long-time Trump supporters – that the proposed deal will do more good than harm.
• Primary fear: That rewarding or even just pausing pressure on Iran will be seen as weakness, allow the regime to rearm, further betray already-suffering populations, and erode American credibility as a reliable ally.
• Notable counterpoint: A minority (including Carson’s cautious final stance) still want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, citing his record and ability to “play the long game,” but want much stricter requirements and vigilance in coming months.
• Key ask: Listeners and supporters are urged to pray for the President’s wisdom, vocalize concerns, and rally to ensure the final agreement is tough, enforceable, and brings real change for Iran and its neighbors.

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For Listeners new to this episode:

This show is a passionate, sometimes raucous roundtable about U.S. Middle East policy, loyalty to allies, and the hazard of short memories. If you want a capsule of conservative grassroots' perspective on the Iran deal—and what it means for American trust and power—start here.

Transcript

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[Unidentified Caller/Caller 1]

Hold it.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Now.

[Donald Trump]

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[Jesse Waters]

There's going to be a $300 billion fund where Gulf neighbors, not U.S. gulf neighbors, will invest in rebuilding Iran.

[Donald Trump]

Any relief they receive under this deal they'll have to get based on merit and it won't be from us. We don't have to give them anything. But some people may want to invest. Like, what are you going to do, say you can never ever invest in a country? I mean, it's pretty tough. They need investment because we did a trillion and a half, maybe $2 trillion worth of. So somebody's going to have to help him out.

[Jesse Waters]

This isn't free money. The deal says that we control who does business in Iran. Quote, we grant all required licenses, waivers and permissions needed. That means if Iran screws around, they don't get any investments.

[Donald Trump]

Okay?

[Jesse Waters]

Their country doesn't get rebuilt. Usually after we win wars, we like to rebuild the loser, Japan, Germany, the south. After the Civil War, when neighbors do business, they usually don't go to war because war is bad for business. That's the thinking here.

[Rob Carson]

All right, so that's a little bit of Jesse Waters. He was completely down with the memorandum of understanding last night again. Yesterday I read it and I was, I wanted more teeth. I wanted more teeth in it. Let's watch Blaine Holt last night. He's like, this is just the beginning of making the sausage, blah, blah, blah. But I. What? But one person I have been speaking with, I mean, I mean, the texts have been on fire today is my good friend Matthew Farracci, whose opinion I value greatly, particularly with regard to Israel. The founder and president of Gideon 300 InspireBuzz media companies and friend of this guy right here, Matthew Farachi. How are you on this glorious Thursday?

[Matthew Farace]

Rob, I am pretty pumped to have this conversation with you.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, yeah. Listen, and I wanted to hear your thoughts because there are a few people whose opinion I value as much as you, not only on Israel, but all things, but you, me, this piece by Israel Higham this morning, I read it, I highlighted it, I see these massive concerns. I want to know, tell me what's going through your mind right now, what you. If there's anything about this, this deal you like, and particularly what you don't like, go right ahead.

[Matthew Farace]

Well, first of all, Rob, I want to give you. I want to give your listeners this as a premise, okay? You know this, but they don't. I have been MAGA since before Trump ran in 2016. I saw Trump speak a year or two before he actually ran for president. And I said, this is the guy. And I have been a Trump supporter all the way. I love President Trump and I have been a fan supporter, whatever. Okay? And that's not going to change, by the way. But I want to say that in this context, for this reason, okay? If you truly love your kid, Rob, and I know you've been through this, and your kid does something wrong or your friend does something wrong, you can either stay silent and say, oh, I just support you no matter what, or you can call them out and say, you know what, that's not a great move. You shouldn't have done that. And in this case, I think it's very important to call the administration out and say, that's not a good move. You shouldn't have done that. Now, look, I'm going to give you the most charitable view, which is that Trump is waiting for the midterms that he had to get the economy going. He said that in his own words, by the way. He said that he was trying to avoid economic disaster. Okay, but let's look at what the Iranians are saying. The Iranians are calling themselves a superpower. Look at the Gulf states in the Middle East. They're all basically saying, America's weak, America conceded, America won the war and lost the peace. And so just look at what our enemies are saying. And you can say, okay, that's just propaganda. Fine. Then look what Israel is saying. America's number one ally who fought side by side with America for six weeks during Operation Epic Fury, Operation Roaring Lion. Israel is horrified by this deal. And the reason is. We can get into the details, but I'll give you the big picture. If this deal holds Iran emerges stronger, more dangerous and more deadly after the war than they were before the war, and that is why it's such an unmitigated disaster.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I understand. I understand what you're saying, but. But right now, the. The Iranian military industrial complex is in shambles. So there would have to be a great deal of rebuilding. And you can't just do that overnight, but go ahead.

[Matthew Farace]

Well, how do they rebuild, Rob? Money? How do they rebuild China, Russia? They can refill their military capability very quickly. Look what they did between the first time when the President struck Fordo. What was that, about a year ago? Now, they rebuilt so many missiles in between that time and the last war that started. That's what precipitated the attack. Right? That's what started the process. And the second thing you have to remember is Iran does most of its damage through the cheapest means, which is drones. Think about this. They've held the entire world hostage. They've held the world economy hostage. Not with airplanes, not with submarines, not with sophisticated weapons like we keep talking about, but with drones. They've been threatening. They've shut down the Strait of Hormuz, which was never a thing. They played it really smart. And so how else does Iran affect what they do? Terror. And now Israel has been told, without having been consulted, by the way, by the United States, the war is over between Hezbollah and Israel. And in fact, the President's been criticizing Bibi. Well, that's all fine and good, Rob, but here's the problem. Hezbollah is still attacking Israel as we speak. Hezbollah is firing rockets and drones into Israel as we speak. This is going down right now. So the thing that concerns me, I want to just back up a little, Rob. Do you remember back during the Gulf War when we settled the Gulf War? I'm talking back in 1991, and we basically abandoned the Kurds in Northern Iraq. Oh, yes, and Hussein started killing. Yeah. So America's getting a reputation. America already has a reputation. Don't trust the word of America, because they're going to promise you something today and they're going to abandon you tomorrow.

[Rob Carson]

Let me. Let me ask you this. I understand, dude. Listen, you know as well as I do, there's no bigger defender of Israel than me. You know that. I've known you for a number of years now. You know this. I would give my life for Israel, and I would give my life for the United States of America. Donald Trump is saying that this $300 billion, supposedly in investment is contingent on Iran's behavior. And also, I will mention that he was able to secure trillions of dollars from other Middle Eastern countries, including Qatar, into the American economy. They are investing in the rebuilding of Iran to make them into an economic powerhouse. Possib. Good. And then the United States says that with our monitoring that they will ensure that the money goes toward investing. You clearly do not believe that's possible. And listen, I understand you're coming from because the irc, gc, they. I said we can't leave seeds of those bastards in power there. So that's my biggest concern. What are your thoughts on that?

[Matthew Farace]

Well, Rob, I want you to think about this. I want you to imagine that you have drug addicts. Every time you give that drug addict friend money, he goes out and he buys cocaine. So you try to, you buy him a car. You say, listen buddy, I am not going to let you spend this money on drugs. I'm buying you a car to get to work. What's he going to do, Rob? He sells the car, he goes back to buying drugs. Right. So when you say that we're going to give Iran, Iran $300 million of peaceful money, that we're going to monitor Iran, that takes money. And they specialize in funneling money all around the world, by the way to Venezuela, ok, where they were part of the Maduro regime, where they were part of the, as we know now, the 2020 stolen election. Okay? So the sleaziest sleaze balls in the world maybe next to the Russians and the Chinese and partners with the Russians and the Chinese. You really think we're going to give those guys a dollar and you can. Oh, that's going to. Infrastructure. They don't care about their people. They killed 100,000 of their people just a couple of months ago. They don't care about the suffering of their people. So what incentive do they have to give this to people? Peaceful purposes. Especially when we've given them a deal which is 90% what they want and nothing what we want. Another thing, the president competed yesterday. I guess they need to have ballistic missiles. I mean, you know.

[Rob Carson]

Yes, I saw that.

[Matthew Farace]

Need to have missiles, right? No, they don't. And here's my favorite one, Syria. Alshara would do better at fighting Hezbollah than Israel would. Let me just give you a point of fact. Alshara would join Hezbollah in fighting Israel. He would not fight Hezbollah. He is a former Al Qaeda terrorist. So what I'm saying is like the reason you hear this passion for me, Rob, is not only for Israel. Okay? Yes, I'm worried about the United States of America. If you accept the fact that we went to war to prevent Iran from threatening the United States and our allies, then how does giving them more money and all these concessions protect Americans? It doesn't.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Let me ask you this again. This is a fort.

[Matthew Farace]

This.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, I know. I know, bro. I know, I know. Listen, I'm so grateful, this conversation, because, again, I'm on the fence on this. I'm giving the President the benefit of the doubt because of what he's done and what he's gone through for us. And he hasn't let us down before. But you've got. You got 60 days to make things happen. Are you. Are you hopeful that maybe a powerful message from Israel, from concerned friends of Israel, from people like you and me, will get through as they hammer out the details on this?

[Matthew Farace]

I think it's. Look, here's the tragedy of it all, Rob. It's almost not even worth having this conversation because it's all going to fall apart. Iran is not going to stick to the deal. They're going to cheat. And the problem is we're going to give them money and help them cheat. We're giving them time to help them cheat. And my sacred prayer, because, look, I trust Trump, and I've been telling people that shut up and trust the president. He's exercised good judgment. But let me remind you something. He's not God. The other day I say, he said, the other day, I saved Israel. If it wasn't for me, Israel would be wiped off the map. That is factually untrue. God saved Israel. And to the degree that Donald Trump had something to do with that, he was God's instrument. Okay? So my point is, if we love President Trump, if we care about President Trump, if we want to see him succeed, if we want God to have America's back, and people of conviction need to say, Mr. President, we love you, we honor you, we thank you for what you've done for this country, and we ask you to rethink this decision because we think you're making a big mistake and you're setting a precedent that Israel and our Gulf allies in the Middle east cannot count on America, and that basically, America will bomb you. But if you wait them out and you make Americans pay $2 more in gas at the pump, and guess what? You can beat the United States. That's exactly what Iran is doing.

[Rob Carson]

I understand exactly what you're saying, but I'm going to say one other thing before we end the conversation, because we're running out of time. The Democrats are also saying this is a terrible deal. When you've got Cory Booker saying this is a terrible deal. I don't like being on his side because he has nothing. He wants nothing good to happen to Donald Trump. He has not cared about the Iranian people, he has not cared about the American people. And now he's saying this is a bad deal. It makes me kind of wonder if it is. It's going to turn around the economy. It's going to actually, the safeguards in place are going to work. And that's why the Democrats. I, you know, I don't even know. But listen, I appreciate you.

[Matthew Farace]

Likes the deal. You know who likes the deal that makes you sick? Hillary Clinton.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, brother, I appreciate you being on. I want to start having you on like every week because you're great. You know that I'm a friend of Israel, you know that I'm a friend of Donald Trump.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Thank you.

[Matthew Farace]

I just want to say, I want to say thank you to you for this. You are somebody that believes in having open, honest conversation and you're intellectually honest. And I want to thank you for the opportunity to do that. And I want to just please encourage your listeners. Pray for President Trump. I love President Trump. He's a hero to me. And I'm just praying that God will show him that this isn't, that there's a better way to do this.

[Rob Carson]

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[Unidentified Caller/Caller 1]

We have to beat them electorally and

[Matthew Farace]

then we have to break their spirit

[Unidentified Caller/Caller 1]

and then we're gonna crush their soul.

[Donald Trump]

Oh, really?

[Rob Carson]

You and what ar

[Donald Trump]

this was years in the making. You know why? Because I was the one that killed General Soleimani. If I didn't kill General Soleimani, we probably wouldn't be talking right now about this deal because he was a mad genius. A lot of people forget that. The tough guys, you know, the tough guys that would drive the country right down the tubes. I don't like it. We'll go back to shooting at them. Dropping bombs on their head. Do you expect? I don't like it. If they don't behave, we'll go right back to dropping bombs right smack in the middle of their head.

[Rob Carson]

I understand the great concern that many have with regard to this memorandum of understanding. 100%. I totally get it. I wanted Trump to go in there and just waylay the IRGC. I wanted every one of them dead. Absolutely, 100%. There have been many times in the last decade people have panicked, freaked out because of something that Donald Trump did and immediately said, oh, my God, he's wrong. Oh my God, he's wrong. And every time they were wrong. So I'm going to let this, I'm going to let what happens, happens here and we will see. I also would encourage you to make your opinions known to this administration in a positive fashion. These are your concerns, These are the things that must happen. I don't believe they're tone deaf. I know they have put a great deal of time and thought into this. I think they've been more deliberate than any administration. You've had 11 weeks without dropping bombs until last weekend and an overabundance of patience with regard to the irgc. So I'm not ready to say Donald Trump is really destroying things. Donald Trump, he's. Like I said, there's been a plan going since he killed Soleimani, since he went to Qatar, since he got the trillions of dollars, investments in the American economy, since he opened, you know, since the Panama Canal. We took over the Panama Canal. We have control of trade, war routes around the world. We are rebuilding and redirecting the world's economy, particularly with regard to fossil fuels, making America fossil fuel independent. So, you know, I mean, like I said, I'm going to give the Guy the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. There's a little bit more from Jesse Waters last night with regard to this deal.

[Jesse Waters]

Also, Iran has to keep their dog on a leash. Hezbollah has to stand down if they attack Israel. Israel can hit back and hit back hard. All right, But Israel, they have to behave, too.

[Donald Trump]

We have a little dispute over Lebanon. I say you can do a little softer touch, Bibi. You don't have to knock down a building every time somebody walks into it. That's from Hezbollah.

[Jesse Waters]

A senior official tells Primetime that Netanyahu thinks the deal's a home run if Iran complies, but he's skeptical. Here's the bottom line. They'll never have a nuclear weapon, the straits open, the Ayatollah is dead, their military is whipped, and we did it in three months with no ground troops. And Mohammed's not getting a penny until he performs. And none of these pennies are even ours. And as a bonus, the United States is now the world's biggest energy exporter. And hopefully, fingers crossed, we rewired the Middle east so they make love, not war.

[Rob Carson]

All right, we'll see. I mean, that's, that's optimistic thinking, obviously, you know, that's optimistic thinking. But, you know, I, you know, like I said, I'm going to, I'm going to give this president the benefit of the doubt because of what he's done for the country, what he's endured for the country, among other things. And of course, he always gets terrible, terrible coverage. Here's the President yesterday talking about the media constantly being lined up against him.

[Donald Trump]

What if I would go, by the way, if I'd go another three or four weeks, those same people that are critical would say he went too long. He should have done, you know, no matter what. If they raised the white flag of surrender and if they said, praise be to Allah, Donald Trump is the greatest president ever, we totally concede, we totally give up. This war is over. We have failed. The New York Times and CNN and a couple of others, they're not all that dishonest. They say Iran had a great victory. Okay, they practically do that. You know, it's amazing. When we knocked out their last year, they had 159 ships. When we knocked out the last ship, the Times refused to do a story.

[Rob Carson]

Well, that's true.

[Donald Trump]

I said, why wouldn't you? They don't have a navy and you don't want to do a story, and they don't have an Air Force you don't want to do so. We need a fair press.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, we don't have a fair press. Here is the President, United States, talking about his support despite on 94% negative coverage.

[Donald Trump]

When I went in a landslide and I had 93%, they take good stories about me and make them bad. But the only reason that happened is because they have so little, the media has so little credibility that the people voted for me. 93% of the stories on network, ABC is horrible. I think ABC is the worst. NBC is terrible and CBS is terrible. Cnn, obviously. And I never get good. No matter what I do, I could do the greatest thing. I won't get good stories on this.

[Rob Carson]

You know, and this is another thing, and this is why I've, I'm in a conundrum here is that the media, Mississippi, now, cnn, Democrat politicians all say this is a bad deal. When have they ever, ever been right on anything? When have they ever tried to protect this president? So there's that. There's that. Another fantastic guest on the show, Brigitte Gabriel. Act for America next. Finding great candidates.

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[Matthew Farace]

Yes, the job's not over.

[Unidentified Caller/Caller 1]

This is not over. This is the start of an mou. Moja. I'm sorry.

[Matthew Farace]

I'm sorry.

[Unidentified Caller/Caller 1]

Ayatollah Mojtaba, without legs, is not in a position. If he wants to declare that this is a victory, well, it's a Pyrrhic victory. The point is, is that I understand the consternation, but you have to also understand that the President is not going to repeat Iraq and Afghanistan with one 40,000 forces on the ground in a 20 year war. That's not. And it's not militarily necessary either. So Scott Besant is drying up all the money. Great. The money laundering out of London's not happening anymore. Europe's in a real bad position and they're basically going to be succumbing to the Iranian people themselves. And President Trump did say the Iranian people are the ones who have to finish this.

[Rob Carson]

All right, so that is Blaine Holt, Brigadier General, who is a frequent guest on this radio program. Last night, he was talking to Rob Schmidt. Little while ago, we had the wonderful Matthew Farace on. Founder and president of Gideon 300 Inspire Buzz media companies. I could think of no other guest who would. Who would better this stellar lineup today than the awesome and incredible Brigitte Gabriel. Of course, she is with actforamerica.org Brigitte Gabriel, welcome to the show. I've been dying to talk to you about this.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah,

[Rob Carson]

I know we got. We got a lot of concerns. We got a lot of under. We got a lot of concern. I get it. Tell me your thoughts on. I'll let you go.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Well, I'm not happy with the deal, and I wasn't happy even with the first ceasefire because you. When you are bombing and you are succeeding and you are on a roll, you don't push pause. You continue until you're fixed. And I think pushing pause the first time two months ago, 60 days ago, was a big mistake because even through the ceasefire, the Iranians kept bombing, kept causing problems. We were bombing them last week, Rob.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

The whole reason why they came and they said, okay, let's sign. We agree, we want to sign a memo of understanding is because Thursday night President Trump told them, if you thought last Thursday, if you thought the last two nights were bad, wait until you see what we're going to do to you tonight. We're taking Cargill Island. And supposedly that's when they reached out directly to the White House and said, let's talk. And that's how this whole Mamova understanding began. Now, you and I know we cannot trust the Iranians. They lie through their teeth. They are buying time. They will do anything and everything they can, even if they supposedly agree to a memorandum of understanding for them. In the eyes of their people, they are victorious. They are celebrating victory. They're saying to their people, look, Israel and the United States bombed us for the last so many months, and they have not been able to make us budge. They can kill every single one of us of the leadership 3, 4, 5, 6 layers down, and we're going to continue fighting and we are succeeding. And finally, they caved and we claim victory for the Iranians. This is victory on the world stage. It is victory for the Iranians for us. The President's trying to tie a beautiful bow on it and present it to the American public as, look, this is not a deal. We're just. It's a pause. So we can discuss a term of a deal. Yeah, fine. It just looks bad on the world stage and we just give the Iranians a breather.

[Rob Carson]

I understand what you mean, and I've been saying this all morning with regard to giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I look at what Donald Trump has done, what he has been through, the fact that he has not misled us before, the fact that his, his instincts have been correct through all of this. And, and that's where I am concerned because so many people have tried to make us doubt him. So many people have told us he's doing the wrong thing, knowing he was doing the right thing to distract us or to bring down our opinion of him and to stop him. That's why when I look at all of the things that are going on with regard to the Abraham Accords, with regard to other Arab states, with regard to their trillions of investment in America, and the fact that we have caused between 1 trillion and 2 trillion dollars worth of damage, and you've got Arab states saying we want to use $300 to invest in Iran, assuming they will want a return on this. That's where I'm kind of going. I'm not. I mean, there are a lot of things that need to be hammered out. I need some teeth in this final agreement. I get, I mean, the IRGC has to be out of power. There has to be some, some, some freedom there and they've got to stop the terror proxies and all this crap that hasn't happened yet. I get it. But do you kind of wonder if maybe the enemies of Donald Trump are trying to poo poo this agreement before it's even finished?

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Well, look, it doesn't take the enemies of Donald Trump. I have been one of the biggest supporters of the President and I poo poo disagreement. As a Lebanese, as somebody who was born and raised in Lebanon and as somebody who worked in Israel, as somebody who comes from the Middle east, as somebody who understands the terrorist infrastructure of Hezbollah, I am telling you, this is such a terrible step that President Trump took. And you know, President Trump agreed to let the Iranians keep control of the Straits of Hormuz. Billions of dollars will be given to them. And yeah, he is saying it's not our money. I get it. I don't care whose money it is, whether it drops from the sky. What do you think the Iranians are going to do with an influx of $300 billion? Build schools for girls, educate girls. They are going to take that money and rebuild their Terrorist infrastructure, funding, Hezbollah, Hamas and the Houthis. And by the way, Hezbollah has not end that agreement. In other words, on top of that, we are letting Iran demand and include the protection of their terrorist groups in Lebanon, a sovereign and independent state that doesn't want the terrorist regime operating within it. And not just Lebanon, but demands that Israel, a nation under attack from these same terrorists, cannot respond when attacked by these same terrorists to defend itself. Who do we think we are? You know, again, I've been one of the President's biggest defendants on this one, but I can tell you I spoke yesterday with Lebanon as well as with Israel. And for the first time, the Lebanese government, the Lebanese and the Israelis are together as one against Bastille, against this agreement, and forget Israel. I mean, this is not for the benefit of Israel. Yes, this is like writing an agreement with Hitler without defeating Hitler, but saying, okay, we bombed Germany out of the yin yang and now we're going to sign a memo of understanding with them. And even though Hitler is still in power, but, you know, we think the Iranians may change their ways and we're only going to give them money if they change their ways.

[Unidentified Caller/Caller 1]

Yeah.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Let me ask the regime. Nothing's going to change.

[Rob Carson]

Why, why do you suppose that the President went this way when he's been such a powerful support of Israel and he's done so many, so many good things. Why, why do you. I mean, if this deal is as bad as you say, I mean, whose advice is he taking, do you suppose?

[Brigitte Gabriel]

He's taking the advice of Jared Kushner, his son in law, Steve Woodkopf, his lifelong friend, and JD Vance, who doesn't really have that much experience on the world stage. He's a brilliant guy, but he's young. He's taking their advice against John Radcliffe from the CIA. You know, we intercepted conversations within the regime on Monday that they are discussing that they're not going to abide by this deal, that they're buying time. John Radcliffe took the information to President Trump on Monday, as well as Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, as well as Pete Hexsett, the Secretary of War. The three of them do not like this deal. I mean, you saw Rubio yesterday standing next to the President while Steve Woodkoff is smiling and whoever's standing next to him and the President is smiling and, and you couldn't get a smile out of Marco Rubio. They know it is not good. Now, having said all that and did all that poo pooing of the deal, I can tell you this. The President realized that after all this bombardment of the Iranians that we are dealing with an ideologically apocalyptic regime that wants to, that is willing to burn the country instead of surrendering.

[Rob Carson]

Now, Brigitte, Brigitte, I want to continue the conversation on the other side of the break and I want you to think about this. How do we send, I think we are already sending a powerful signal to the President, United States, with regard to this deal. It is a memorable understanding. The final deal hasn't been hammered out, but how do we get through to the President to get what we absolutely must see happen, that we must see happen? We'll get to that on the other

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[Rob Carson]

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[JD Vance]

waterways should be free of tolls. And that's been our position. That's what you see, of course, in the 60 days of the MoU. And when you say it leaves it open, it doesn't really leave it open except in the sense that, of course, the final negotiation is going to set the terms of what comes afterwards.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Right.

[JD Vance]

You said, I think, that it's the goal the Omanis and the Iranians, but it's actually the MOU contemplates that the Omanis, the Iranians and the Gulf coast coalition together will figure out a proper security framework for the straits in the future. And what I mean by that is that we don't ever want this to happen again. That's not about tolling, that's about ensuring that the Straits are never used as a choke point for the global economy ever again. It's frankly not what the Iranians want. It's not what the Omanis want. It's not what the GCC wants either. So.

[Rob Carson]

All right, so that is JD Vance this morning doing a presser, trying to allay some of the fears that have have come up with regard to the Memorandum of Understanding, which of course I read yesterday and I went, oh boy. Brigitte Gabriel went, oh boy. Because, Brigitte, you and I are the same. We are on the same page. We have talked before about how this is a moment in history that we can change the world and if it's not, I mean, a lot of things got to happen, but the one thing's got to happen is every ounce of radicalism in the country of Iran has to be wiped out and freedom must return there because if you leave one seed, it will blossom into darkness again.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

Your thoughts exactly. It's like uprooting cancer when you have the body on the operating table, and you are doing surgery to get cancer out. You get it all out. You don't say, oh, you know what, we ran out of time. Let's just close it up. There's a little bit left. It's not really that big of a deal. It's not going to be as bad as it was. Let's see, you know, what's going to happen with this one. Is it going to live or die? You know, we don't think it's going to be dangerous and sew the body up and let the body out. Of course the cancer is going to metastasize. Of course it's going to grow, because if you leave a particle of it there, it's going to mushroom. And that's what we did with Iran. We did not finish the job. Now, I don't doubt for one second that if the Iranians do not misbehave in any misstep, that President Trump will go back and he will bomb the daylight out of them. He already told them that. I believe him. One of his play cards is he is unpredictable. Everybody in the world knows this. The president did this deal because he wanted to stabilize the world market, fully knowing that if this fight continued for the next two months, it's going to cause a global problem on the world stage. You know, a literal economic collapse. And he could not let that happen, not under his watch, because then our problem leading up to the midterm would be nothing now compared to how they would be two months from now if we had a world economic collapse. And that's why he did this deal. He basically was buying time to replenish our petroleum reserve, because you can only pump from our reserve so much into our oil to just kind of keep the market stabilized within the United States. So he needed to do that. And that gives him 60 days that lead us up to September. Now, the Iranians may be banking on, oh, Trump is not going to do anything in September because it's going to be only two months before the November election. Well, they're gambling wrong. Because if they do not follow through on what they will agree on in this moment, understanding, understanding, he will bomb the daylight out of them and he will do it leading up to the election, and it will not harm the country that much, because then he had proved to the American public that I did everything I can to try to reach peace. We went above and beyond time after time after time after time, and they just forced our hand to go back and bomb them. So it will not have that much of an impact if we go back to work with Iran, to war with Iran right before the election that it would have if we just continue fighting for the next two months. So I do understand logically why he did it.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I, you know, I see headlines today. For instance, there's an Iranian singer, Paris to Ahmadi, and she made the mistake of doing a video showing her soldier shoulders. And she has been sentenced to 74 lashes. And this crap has to end. This crap has to end. This country, this, this Iran. We've waited 47 damned years for the people of Iran to breathe free. And I do not want to see the women of Iran, another generation of women in Iran, suffer through this again. And I am sick and damn tired of Iran being a cancer on the world, spreading its tentacles of terror around the world. And I got to tell you, some stuff's got to happen in the next 60 days that show, to me, we're going to take the bastards out. Your final thoughts on this?

[Brigitte Gabriel]

This deal is a huge disappointment and betrayal to the Iranian people that took to the street by the millions because President Trump told them the help is coming. And so they took him at his word. They came out and As a result, 40 to 50,000 of them died. Every single home in Iran has been affected. Unless someone either immediately or extended family because President Trump told them help is on the way. So I can tell you this. The people of Iran will not trust America again. The people of Israel don't trust America. The people of Lebanon don't trust America. You cannot betray your allies. If you tell them, I'm going to stand by you, you have to stand by them. And I hope that before he leaves office, at least in two years, that this regime in Iran will be gone and done.

[Rob Carson]

Yes.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

And he will be dealing with the new administration.

[Rob Carson]

That's what we need to see. That's what we need to see 100%. And I do believe we, there are some things going on behind the scenes we don't know about. I'm praying that God will guide the hand of Donald Trump and the Iranian people will be free. Brigitte, so good, so good to have you on today. Thank you so much for being on the show and finding the time for us. Actforamerica.org give us a quick plug real quick.

[Brigitte Gabriel]

We need people to go to actforamerica.org, join us. Stand with us as we fight to preserve and protect the United States of America, our culture and our security and freedom.

[Rob Carson]

All right, thank you, Bridget. Have a glorious weekend.

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[Unidentified Caller/Caller 1]

Thank you. Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

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[Matthew Farace]

Wow.

[Rob Carson]

This first two hours of the show has been like, whoa, what the heck? And it's all been about the. The memorandum of understanding with Iran. And I. I completely get your. Your concerns because we've got a. This is an opportunity. This is 47 years we've waited for this moment. And we cannot let down the people of Iran. We cannot let down the people of Israel. We cannot let the dream of a free Iran disappear into the dustbin of history. You have to take this opportunity. You have to take this opportunity. America has, in so many times, so many times left people hanging, left them hanging on the top of an embassy in Saigon, left them hanging in so many different times. And we cannot leave them hanging now. We cannot leave the people of Iran hanging now. They have waited 47 years for this moment. All of my adult life, I've waited for this moment, dreamed of this moment where we could once again see Iran be free. And then I see headlines today like this Iranian singer who made the mistake of baring her shoulders, and she faces 47 lashes from these animals, these Islamist animals. We have to wipe radical Islam off the face of the planet. We have to get rid of the scourge of radical Islam around the planet. That's it. That's all. That's it. It can't rise here. We've got to get it now. And I'm hoping that the President of the United States, and I'm sure he knows our concerns. I know he knows all of these things. He's not a clueless man. He surrounds himself with excellent people. But he's going to have to know in the next 60 days we have to have some things. We have to see freedom ring in Iran. We have to end the scourge of radical Islam. We have to make sure that the Strait of Hormuz is open forever. We have to make sure they never can reconstitute their military in such a fashion, particularly their nuclear programs. We have to have these things. We are on the cusp of what could be a millennial peace in the Middle east. And we cannot. We cannot allow this moment to pass without making sure that it's done. And I have to have faith in this man who is in the White House, who has been through. Through so much and it faced so many negatives. I still believe we're in a battle of good and evil in this world. I still believe we have evil back on its heels. And every day we have doubt. You have to rally. You have to pick yourself up and you have to say we must, as Rush Limbaugh used to say, be joyful warriors. We must overwhelm the left with faith and joy and patriotism. We have to do it. We are battle hardened veterans. We are not weary. We have just begun to fight. Let's take a break and come back. Last hour of the Rob Carson Shows right ahead. Don't go anywhere.

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