When Rhetoric Turns Into Reality

Summary

The Rob Carson Show

Episode: When Rhetoric Turns Into Reality
Air Date: July 21, 2026
Host: Rob Carson
Special Guest: Morgan Murphy (National Security Expert, US Navy Captain, Former Trump White House Official)
Main Theme: Examining the connection between heated anti-ICE rhetoric and real-world violence, plus a broader critique of the escalating leftward direction of the Democrat Party and its consequences for American politics and security.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Rob Carson dives into a recent attempted attack on a federal ICE facility in New York City as a lens through which to discuss what he views as dangerous rhetoric from Democrats and left-wing pundits. Carson argues that repeated vilification of ICE and law enforcement has contributed to real acts of violence. The discussion expands to cover illegal immigration, the political motivations behind it, the radicalization of the Democratic Party, and developments in U.S.-Iran relations and Middle East politics. The episode features Carson's trademark humor and sarcasm, pointed political commentary, and clips of notable political figures.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Attack on ICE Facility – Narrative and Details

[00:56–05:32]

• Incident Summary:
  Rob Carson recaps the attempted attack where Andrew Arabaca poured gasoline near a New York City ICE facility, set it on fire, fired an airsoft rifle, and brought axes, a hammer, a machete, and knives.

  • “As attacks go, kind of a ham handed stupid attack. He poured some gasoline on the stairs, not near the building, then set it on fire. So not exactly, you know, well thought out plan.” (Rob Carson, 01:51)

• Analysis of Intent and Capability:
  Carson mocks the ineffectiveness of the attempt and questions the attacker's actual plans, contrasting the serious arsenal brought with the ultimately unserious means.

  • “Not exactly sure what he was trying to do with the pellets from an airsoft rifle, but the building was attacked.” (Rob Carson, 02:37)

• Motivations Tied to Rhetoric:
  The sign "ICE off our streets" was found with the suspect, which Carson ties directly to mainstream slogans at anti-ICE protests.

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2. Democratic Rhetoric: From Slenderman to Charles Manson

[02:56–05:32]

• Comparison to Cult-Like Persuasion:
  Carson likens the ability to radicalize individuals online to how political rhetoric from Democrats drives certain unbalanced individuals to violence.

  • “Do you ever notice what Charles Manson was able to do with the Manson Family with the power of suggestion and whatnot? … That's what the Democrat Party has been doing for the last decade or so with regard to the Trump administration, the police, and of course, ICE.” (Rob Carson, 02:56)

• Lack of Democrat Condemnation:
  Carson claims Democrats are silent when violence targets ICE, suggesting a double standard.

  • “Have you noticed there are no Democrats saying this sort of behavior outside of ICE facilities is absolutely unacceptable?” (Rob Carson, 04:49)

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3. Immigration Policy, Illegal Voting, and “Cannon Fodder”

[06:55–08:01]

• Illegal Immigrants as Political Assets:
  Carson asserts that Democrats encourage illegal immigration to bolster census counts and voter registration, directly tying immigration to political strategy.

  • “They bring in a Trojan horse packed with millions of our country's enemies ... 250,000 illegals registered to vote ... Do you register to vote real quick? … You register the vote to vote.” (Rob Carson, 06:55)

• Law Enforcement Under Biden vs. Trump:
  Clip from Tom Holman and panelists debate whether enforcement has changed and Democrats’ actual commitment to the law.

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4. Historical Context—ICE under Different Administrations

[10:43–13:00]

• ICE in the Obama Era:
  Audio flashback and commentary illustrating that left-wing outrage against ICE started with Trump, even though similar policies existed before.

• Democrat Rhetoric Escalation:
  Carson and audio clips show how language like “Gestapo,” “secret police,” and “racist” have become commonplace.

  • “Repeat a lie enough, by the way, repeat a lie enough… it becomes the truth … particularly among those who are mentally ill … 50% of liberal women, for instance, are bat guano crazy.” (Rob Carson, 13:00)

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5. Stochastic Terrorism and Media Amplification

[13:52–16:12]

• Definition and Examples:
  Panelists and Rob Carson discuss how repeated demonization incites lone wolf attacks (“stochastic terrorism”).

  • “Experts call this stochastic terrorism where somebody has been so demonized that it creates this heightened risk of lone wolf actors.” (Scott Jennings & Rob Carson, 13:52–13:55)

• Rhetorical Extremes:
  Audio montages demonstrate extreme statements from public figures likening present policies to Nazi Germany and predicting the end of democracy.

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6. Media Bias, Political Violence, and Party Fragmentation

[17:34–19:34, 24:19–38:34]

• Political Vigilantism:
  Tom Holman and Morgan Murphy discuss the cascade from rhetoric to violence and the failure of Democrat leaders to take accountability.

  • “These people are effectively political vigilantes. They've been programmed by the left to go out and take matters into their own hands and it ought to be stopped right now.” (Tom Holman, 18:49)

• Liberals as "Noisiest Friends":
  Murphy and Carson discuss the public aggressiveness of leftist activism, referencing Occupy Wall Street and other protest movements.

• Absurdity and Consequences:
  Carson paraphrases Voltaire—“Those who are made to believe absurdity will commit atrocities”—and links tech giants and Elon Musk to current scapegoating logic.

• Law and Order, Mercy vs. Justice:
  Murphy argues that justice has “taken a backseat to mercy,” calling for tougher consequences for offenders.

  • “We've erred too far, as you say, in one direction, and we've got to start handing out justice to people who deserve it.” (Morgan Murphy, 29:07)

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7. Iran, Middle East, and U.S. Policy

[31:23–35:38]

• Iran Conflict Update:
  Carson and Murphy analyze the recent U.S. military actions against Iran, Iran's aggression in the region, and the shift in U.S. strategy under Trump.

  • “The President is using every option … to try to get Iran to be reasonable. … Thank goodness that this kind of conflict has happened with a regional power as opposed to a Russia or a China ...” (Morgan Murphy, 32:36)

• Gulf States & Israel Alliance:
  Murphy notes unprecedented alliances, positing that Iran’s belligerence has united its neighbors in ways never seen before.

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8. Democrat Party’s Leftward Lurch and Internal Panic

[35:38–38:34]

• Party in Turmoil:
  Carson and Murphy argue the Democrat establishment is losing control to the radical left, with traditional party leaders staying silent as the socialists gain ground.
  • “The Democratic Socialists are losing, you know, the church going black vote here in the south … Americans just aren't going to buy it.” (Morgan Murphy, 37:33)
  • “No, not. And whenever it wins in places like Seattle or New York, people leave in Mass. California is a prime example of that. Maryland now another prime example of that.” (Rob Carson, 38:01)

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9. Personal Toll on ICE Agents

[39:10–41:12]

• Stigma and Daily Pressure:
  Carson describes ICE agents’ reluctance to reveal their profession and the increased danger from public vilification.

  • “It is really bad for the ICE agents and their families. Tom Holman yesterday was just sick and damn tired of it. Here he is going off on the media for their and it is absolutely unwarranted. … the next thing that's going to happen is an agent is going to get murdered.” (Rob Carson, 39:10–39:58)

• Final Plea for Respect and Due Process:
  “If you don't like what law enforcement did, you then go to the court, sue, call the ACLU, do whatever you want to do, but you should always comply in law enforcement. If they did, they'd be alive today.” (ICE Representative, 40:56)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Rhetoric Becoming Reality:
  “Repeat a lie enough, by the way, repeat a lie enough. It becomes the truth. And it particularly becomes the truth among those who are mentally ill.” (Rob Carson, 13:00)

• On Stochastic Terrorism:
  “Experts call this stochastic terrorism where somebody has been so demonized that it creates this heightened risk of lone wolf actors.” (Scott Jennings & Rob Carson, 13:52–13:55)

• On Democrat Party Tactics:
  “They use these leftists as cannon fodder. They pray to whatever Dark lord … that, that somebody dies so they can blame ICE for all of it.” (Rob Carson, 04:49)

• On Media and ICE:
  “This is why, like Renee Goode, who was bat guano crazy, she moved her children to Canada when Donald Trump was elected... ultimately Renee Good tried to run over an ICE agent and was shot to death. Death by the agent protecting himself.” (Rob Carson, 40:32)

• On Current Political Environment:
  “The further they lurch left, the more that people begin to turn away from them again.” (Rob Carson, 17:34)

• On Untapped Political Extremes:
  “No party has a monopoly on crazy. Everybody has their wing nuts. But when you see Republicans en masse, they don't act like this.” (Morgan Murphy, 26:49)

• On Democrat Socialists:
  “The Democratic Socialists are losing, you know, the church going black vote here in the south … Americans just aren't going to buy it.” (Morgan Murphy, 37:33)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:56 | Rob Carson introduces the show and details the ICE facility attack | | 04:49 | Carson discusses lack of Democrat condemnation for violence | | 06:55 | Discussion on illegal immigration, voter registration, and Democrat tactics | | 13:52 | Segment on stochastic terrorism, with media/audio montage | | 24:19 | Morgan Murphy joins as guest – anti-ICE rhetoric and real consequences | | 26:49 | Comparison of left-wing and right-wing protest behavior | | 31:23 | Shift to Iran and broader US foreign policy analysis with Murphy | | 35:38 | Discussion of Democrat Party panic, socialist influence | | 39:10 | Carson describes impact on ICE agents, warning of escalating violence |

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Final Thoughts

• Rob Carson paints a provocative picture linking anti-ICE rhetoric by Democrats to acts of violence like the New York City ICE facility attack.
• The episode is rich with illustrative audio montages, historical analogies, and sharp-tongued personal anecdotes to make the case that unchecked rhetoric from the left leads to tangible, dangerous outcomes.
• Key takeaways include warnings about the consequences of dehumanizing law enforcement, the weaponization of language in politics, and the destabilizing effects of the Democratic Party’s leftward drift.
• The show closes with a call for accountability, civility, and a stern defense of law enforcement agencies like ICE.

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Follow-Up:

• Morgan Murphy: Find on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram: Morgan WW Murray Fee
• Rob Carson Show: Listen on Newsmax.com and podcast platforms.

Transcript

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[Scott Jennings]

Hold it.

[News Reporter]

Now.

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[Rob Carson]

This is the Rob Carson Show. Welcome to the show. Please come inside. You're gonna notice today. My God, it looks good. Rob Carson looks so incredibly handsome today. And it's not because I've done anything with my face. It is because I have actually done some arranging with regard to the, to the lighting and whatnot. And I think we might have it actually kind of nailed. What do you think? I'm talking to the ladies particularly. What do you think? Ladies, huh? Yeah, I know, I know. Anyway, welcome to the. Welcome to the radio program, man. The live stream as well as we broadcast on radio stations around the country. And we also of course broadcast on Newsmax social media, which is gigantic. Another A big surprise. A big surprise. Somebody was whipped into a frenzy by the radical left in this country. In the Democrat party attacks. An ice facility in New York City yesterday.

[News Reporter]

A man by the name of Andrew Arabaca, he poured gasoline onto the ground. It ignited it with a lighter and an incendiary.

[Rob Carson]

As attacks go, kind of a ham handed stupid attack. He poured some gasoline on the stairs, not near the building, then set it on fire. So not exactly, you know, well thought out plan.

[News Reporter]

That device was a firework, a large firework and a canister. He then pulled out an airsoft rifle.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, again, not a very good plan. I've got an airsoft rifle actually at home. It won't break the skin. I mean, even if you're really, really close. It shoots like 1500, 700ft per second or something, but won't even break the skin. Looks like a gun has an orange tip on the end of the Barrel, which kind of gives it away, and

[News Reporter]

fired 5, 7 pellets, if you will, in the direction of 26 Federal Plaza.

[Rob Carson]

Not exactly sure what he was trying to do with the pellets from an airsoft rifle, but the building was attacked.

[News Reporter]

Yeah, Mr. Arbach was looking to injure people and harm people. He had two axes.

[Law Enforcement Official]

Yeah.

[News Reporter]

A hammer.

[Rob Carson]

There you go.

[News Reporter]

A machete and three knives.

[Rob Carson]

Wow. There you go. That is what happened in New York City. And a lot of Democrats, they like to, you know, claim that there's no, they have no responsibility for it. Now, you ever see those cases where the kids online are talking to the AI assistant and then the AI assistant convinces the kid to kill himself? Or the AI assistant convinces the kid to commit some act of harm, whatever, with Slenderman or whatever. You ever notice that? You ever notice that? Do you ever notice what Charles Manson was able to do with the Manson Family with the power of suggestion and whatnot? Well, guess what? That's what the Democrat Party has been doing for the last decade or so with regard to the Trump administration, the police, and of course, ice. And does this surprise anyone that this sort of crap and take him once

[Law Enforcement Official]

again happened, subdue him and take him into federal custody. On the scene was recovered, among other things, two airsoft rifles and the container with the flammable liquid. Also affixed to the suspect's cart was a sign reading ICE off our streets.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I believe that that's seen on, on signs at these anti ICE protests in places like Minneapolis, Minnesota, where a woman tried to run over and kill an ICE agent and so he had to shoot her. And then another guy shows up after being at ICE rallies, kicking out the, the rear tail lights of a, of a, of an ICE vehicle. And then, of course, attacking ICE officers while carrying a gun.

[Law Enforcement Official]

During the incident, the suspect was wearing a military style helmet. This incident occurred along federal property and the NYPD is supporting the federal government in their investigations. Charges are yet to be filed. Our work with the Joint Terrorism Task Force and the Southern District of New York is critical to keeping our city safe.

[Rob Carson]

Have you noticed there are no Democrats saying this sort of behavior outside of ICE facilities is absolutely unacceptable. This sort of violence against law enforcement of any type is absolutely unaccessible or unacceptable. It's nothing. Absolute silence critics, or I should say silence Democrats, pundits on television saying, well, yeah, it's all ISIS fault. I mean, honestly, this is all by design. They, they love it when this happens. They use these leftists as cannon fodder. They pray to whatever Dark lord. They have maybe Satan himself that, that somebody dies so they can blame ICE for all of it. It is utterly, utterly ridiculous. And I'm really tired.

[Law Enforcement Official]

Fools.

[Rob Carson]

With regard to all of this nonsense, here is Scott Jennings with a bunch of morons last night on Fox News. Fox News on cnn. They're trying to convince him the opposite of the truth.

[Scott Jennings]

Ten people have been killed by ICE since this year. A lot of people have been killed by illegal in the past year.

[Rob Carson]

How many people have been killed by ICE agents and what were the circumstances surrounding it was generally the ICE agents being attacked and fearing their lives.

[Scott Jennings]

Donald Trump took office. That didn't happen to Biden's administration.

[Tom Holman]

Let me make sure I understand. This deranged anti ICE leftist tries to blow up the federal office in New York today and that's Donald Trump's fault. Joe Biden, you just gave a long speech about it.

[Rob Carson]

Never said that.

[Scott Jennings]

I said, did you not once I did.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, God. I mean, if I were Scott Jennings, I swear to God in heaven, I would already be drinking again. I would be drinking again. I might even do other drugs. I have no idea. Give me some weed. I don't even care. How do you sit there? How do you deal with these morons every stinking night of the week?

[Tom Holman]

Joe Biden. Joe Biden doesn't enforce immigration laws and that's Donald Trump's fault. I'm trying to identify the end of the choose your own adventure book where it doesn't end with it's Donald Trump's fault. Stephen is right. They did not enforce the law. And you know who will tell you?

[Rob Carson]

You see, what happened was Joe Biden opened the southern border so they'd bring in a Trojan horse packed with millions of our country's enemies and el to fill up states where people have been fleeing because of failed socialist policies like California, so they could keep their representation, so they could up their census numbers and then of course also register them to vote. Four states in our country, California, among them, Pennsylvania, one of them Arizona, among them. Four states, 250,000 illegals registered to vote. Why do you register to vote real quick? Is it because you're hungry? Do you register to vote to go fishing? Do you register the vote to get a job? No, you register the vote to vote.

[Tom Holman]

Anybody that works for ICE today will tell you when they were working there under Biden, they were told not to enforce immigration law. We have passed any new laws. And today, today we had the 14th straight month of no releases at the border. The border is closed. Not a Single new law was passed. The only difference is the feds are enforcing long standing existing law. And you have Democrats now demonizing the

[Rob Carson]

people enforcing because they want to keep the people in the country they allowed to come here, loaded them up with all sorts of largesse, all sorts of free stuff. You may recall at New York City, they had the Roosevelt Hotel, used to be a fine hotel. They just loaded it up with illegals, $500 a night, some of them staying there for a year. Billions and billions of dollars just in New York on illegal aliens, giving them all sor of, you know, Visa cards and free daycare, childcare, free diapers. All this while you suffered. While you suffered. And Joe Biden was the President of the United States. This is Lori Reese of the Heritage Foundation. I played this yesterday. Here is exactly why the left is anti ice. And their rhetoric has resulted in acts of violence against ice, most recently the one yesterday in New York City. Here it is. Try it one more time. All right, hold on one second here. We got a little minor. You see, I start talking about and bragging about how we don't have any technical difficulties and then we have one

[Political Commentator]

and preventing ICE from doing its job because millions came in during Biden's four years and they don't want them to be deported. They're political base depends on it. Whether it is direct. Voting illegally, whether it is ballot generation through Social Security numbers and work authorization, etc. And the headcount for the census to determine congressional districts and electoral college votes. President Trump did promise mass deportations in addition to securing the border. Mass deportations was the second plank of the platform.

[Rob Carson]

That's what one of the many things I voted for was. This is exactly what we wanted and exactly what most Americans want. It's absurd, it's utterly absurd that the Democrat Party would say that we the people don't want people who came here illegally and abused the systems to be deported. We want that to happen. You come here legally, you want to assimilate into the culture, you want to learn the language, you want to live the American dream like our ancestors and those of us who came here to do that have done in their lifetimes.

[Political Commentator]

May 24th. We needed it because Americans were fed up with the crime and the fentanyl and the cost of housing and educating and detaining and etc. The masses who had come. And that hasn't changed. And so that's why we need ICE to do its job.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, that's why we need ICE to do its job. But the Democrat Party has decided to say that ICE is evil like they did the police in 2020. And then of course they burned the country. Another absurdity, another absurd atrocity that the Democrat parties pulled to say that we don't need the police in 2020 because George Floyd, a drug addicted loser from hell, died of a fentanyl overdose. There's a police officer still in jail for it, rotting in prison, and he should not be there. But they were able to create a convenient psyop. They tried it with Mike Brown, they tried it with others, didn't work so well. They tried it with, with what's his name in Chicago going out to get his 12 inch footlong at midnight. Jussie Smollett. He was out to go get a 12 inch footlong at midnight. Not uncommon for Jussie Smollett to do. But they tried that and they tried that and they tried that. And then all of a sudden came George Floyd and kaboom. They were able to go after the police. Here's the difference between ICE now according to Democrats and ice, during the Obama administration,

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[Rob Carson]

criminals in the US I thought they were Gestapo illegally.

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[Rob Carson]

vetting themselves in a Nazi camp.

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They want to come out extra early, like right now because they want to catch these people before they go to work.

[Rob Carson]

Where's the outrage?

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Why it starts so early in the morning?

[Rob Carson]

These people just want to come here and have jobs. All right, let's roll, guys.

[Liberal Critic]

This is about a secret police force

[Rob Carson]

that now, this is of course, now

[Liberal Critic]

Donald Trump and the Republicans have unleashed on American streets.

[Rob Carson]

No, no, they've, they've been around for a very long time.

[Liberal Critic]

They have cities.

[Morgan Murphy]

The way in which ICE is operating today is inhumane and illegal.

[Law Enforcement Official]

Democrats should not, cannot vote for more money for this unaccountable.

[Rob Carson]

Well, they did.

[Law Enforcement Official]

Department of Homeland Security. That is terrorizing people. The actions of ice, they are unconstitutional,

[Liberal Critic]

unlawful, they are cruel, they are rogue, they are racist.

[Rob Carson]

Repeat a lie enough, by the way, repeat a lie enough. It becomes the truth. And it particularly becomes the truth among those who are mentally ill. And those people generally reside mostly on the left side of the political equation. As many as 50% of liberal women, for instance, are bat guano crazy. And the men are either soy boys or complete nut bags. We've got more on this coming up. Also, the Democrat establishment is starting to really panic, really, really panic. About the leftward lurch of the party to Democrat socialism. It's a lot of fun to watch. All of that is coming up on the Rob Carson Show. Let's take America. Come back. Don't go anywhere.

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[Show Announcer]

Terrorism.

[Scott Jennings]

Experts call this stochastic terrorism where somebody

[Rob Carson]

has been so demonized that it creates this heightened risk of lone wolf actors.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Donald Trump is turning this nation into Nazi Germany.

[Political Commentator]

You don't have a president, as you

[Rob Carson]

said, talking about exterminating Latinos.

[Liberal Critic]

A reelection of Donald Trump could mean the end of democracy. This would be the end of America.

[Show Announcer]

An actual Trump led wannabe empire is

[Rob Carson]

the end of democracy.

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Sarcastic terrorism is a way of using language, is clearly meant to incite some percentage of the people listening for a violent purpose.

[Leftist Critic]

What does that potentially do for unbalanced people out there?

[Show Announcer]

He is destructive to our democracy and he has to be. He has to be eliminated.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. This is why Donald Trump has been. Well, there's been four assassination attempts against him because this is a tool of the left to unhinge people to commit an act of violence. So they are the hero. This fool who attacked the ICE facility in New York City felt that he was attacking the Gestapo and consequently he felt it was righteous. He was misguided at best. But the Democrat party can wash its hands of it like nothing ever happened. But that's what they do intentionally. They've been doing it for a while.

[Leftist Critic]

Masked men jumping out of unmarked cars, people disappearing. No due process, no oversight, zero accountability happening in the United States of America today.

[Rob Carson]

When I see ice, I see slave

[Leftist Critic]

patrols, these ICE agents running around our communities like masked bank robbers terrorizing women.

[Morgan Murphy]

Ice, Federal agents.

[Rob Carson]

Wait, that was Eric Swallow as well, talking about terrorizing women.

[Show Announcer]

Pulling up, terrorizing our communities, unmarked vans, stealing and.

[Rob Carson]

No, not at all. Now, one little bit. Everything they're saying right now is absolute bullshit.

[Morgan Murphy]

Yes, Kidnapping people.

[Ryan Reynolds]

An authoritarian government in Washington D.C. is dispatching mass.

[Rob Carson]

None of this is true, not one little bit.

[Morgan Murphy]

Agents to abduct immigrants from our streets.

[Show Announcer]

This is Gestapo like behavior.

[Rob Carson]

There should be no question to what our country would look like had the Confederacy won. It does look like a Gestapo operation.

[Leftist Critic]

Donald Trump's modern day gascopo.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, Gazpacho. You gotta watch the gazpacho too, because

[Leftist Critic]

being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons. We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses, afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading that story of Anne Franklin. Somebody's going to write that children's story about Minnesota.

[Rob Carson]

All right, so I have a minor issue with my audio software here, my video software, and I'm going to have to shut it down for a second. I apologize. There's a very good chance that you may be seeing a. A blank screen here. Real quick, I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna. I apologize again. Once in a while when you, when you start to kind of brag about how things are working, then suddenly they stop to work. So I'm going to have to restart that software and what we're going to have is probably going to have to lose the stream for a second. The broadcast will continue, so I'll be able to continue talking, but. But I will have to restart it again. We just moved to the new facility and so consequently we are trying to make sure that everything works properly and occasionally we are hitting some snags. I will get an engineer in here post haste to get it to start, but right now I am restarting the computer as we speak. But no, this is not a big surprise. The Democrat party has been demonizing different people and consequently think about the damage that has been caused. The Democrat party in the summer of 2020, decided to defund the police, demonize the history of our country. What did then happen? You had hundreds and hundreds of attacks on police. You had thousands, thousands of injuries of police. And then, of course, you had people driven insane thinking that it was okay to tear down statues, thinking that it was okay to kneel during the national anthem and all of this nonsense. This is your Democrat Party and I gotta tell you, it's not working out very well for them because the further they lurch left, the more that people begin to turn away from them again. I'm waiting for my software to reboot here real quick and then we will get it. Presuming. I'm going to talk to Brian. There you go. There you go. There you go. Okay, we are back. I've got it figured out. Let me once again figure and go to the. And there we are. Okay, I'm back. There we go. That's what I was trying to do. So what I'm saying essentially is that all of that nonsense from the left ends up with things happening like what happened in, in New York City yesterday. And here's Scott Jennings to talk about that.

[ICE Representative]

That

[Tom Holman]

is absolutely correct.

[Leftist Critic]

Modern day.

[Tom Holman]

And I think we've got off the streets, mayor of New York City, governors, as Homan said, all sorts of people out there who are using language that would lead someone to go do these kinds of things. It's despicable. These people are effectively political vigilantes. They've been programmed by the left left to go out and take matters into their own hands and it ought to be stopped right now. I noticed Mamdani today, you know, put out a statement saying this is bad. We're going to cooperate. You know, this is the same guy who has said some of the worst things about ice, who says he wants to defund the police and makes a lot of anti law enforcement rhetoric a staple of his political movement. I don't know how you can reconcile those positions and I don't suppose they'll even try. But I think Holman's right.

[Rob Carson]

I don't suppose they will. But we. Excuse me. We got more audio coming up in the second year. We'll be talking with, we'll be hearing from, I should say Tom Holman about the nonsense associate yesterday. He, he basically went off. He'd absolutely had enough of people badmouthing law enforcement officials. And he also said that the next step is going to be somebody being killed, some ICE agent being killed. We're gonna get the stream going one more time here. We do have the radio signal going. And we will continue with this broadcast on the other side of the break. Joining us on the other side of the break, Morgan Murphy, national security expert on the Rob Carson Show. Hey guys, it's Carson for Ghostbed. Do you really want another summer like last summer? Barely sleeping because you were too hot all night? People blame summer heat for bad sleep when it really may be their mattress trapping heat. And if you already sleep, hot summer only makes it worse. That's why I switched to ghost. BE helps keep you cool all night. No waking up sweaty tossing and turning or throwing the covers off at 2am Cooling tech is built into every mattress. It's not some expensive upgrade you have to pay extra for. Hot sleepers are some of Ghostbed's happiest customers. Read the reviews. You get incredible support. Less stiffness, deeper sleep, more rested mornings. I got my Ghostbed about six months ago and it changed my life. Ghostbed gives you one out of one nights to try it at home. You can sleep on it all summer long and feel the difference for yourself. How many more summers are you going to waste on bad sleep? Ghostbed is currently having their 4th of July sale offering my audience an extra 10% off. Go to ghostbed.comcarson use the promo code carson. That's ghostbed.comcarson promo code carson,

[News Reporter]

An army veteran is in custody after allegedly starting a fire and igniting an incendiary device outside a New York City federal building on Monday. 42 year old Andrew Arabaca was taken into custody after authorities say he launched an incendiary device at 26 Federal Plaza. The suspect then allegedly pulled an airsoft rifle out and fired five to seven pellets at the building.

[Rob Carson]

It's odd because he was echoing some of the same sentiment that Democrats echo with regard to ice, and they've been doing it for years. When Kamala Harris, before Kamala Harris ran for president and she became the Democrats, I should say without a vote, became the Democrat candidate for Congress, she was calling for ICE's dismissal. And the reason is very obvious. Because the Biden administration opened the southern border, brought in 20 million illegals, got them on the voter rolls, got them on government largesse so they would vote slavishly Democrat. And they will vote. That's why 250,000 of them were registered in four states that we know of right now, among other things. And that's why the Democrat Party party doesn't want them to go. Doesn't want to go like a bad boyfriend, you know, and the parents are like, you know, you got to get out of here. You got to get rid of him. And they're like, no, no, we need him because we're losing, we're losing and all of that. But they repeating the same nonsense that the Democrat Party has been talking about. Ice, talking back about ice. ICE is Gestapo. ICE is the Nazis. All of this has been going on for years. And ultimately someone unhinged does something like this. Let's see, see. Donald Trump is a fascist. Donald Trump is a Nazi. Donald Trump is a white supremacist. Joe Biden did a speech in front of the Independence hall when he was a president for no good reason but to call Donald Trump and his followers MAGA fascists and enemies of democracy. The Southern Poverty Law center put a target on Charlie Kirk's back. And they called him a white supremacist. They call it these things. And then ultimately a fascist, they call him. And ultimately the insane nutbag actually, who killed him. Allegedly, actually etched in the shell casings, fascist. And all of the words that the left and Democrat party have been espousing and spewing. Same goes with the Daycare center, shot up by another leftist in Minneapolis. Etched onto the bullet casings, the same words of the left of the Democrat Party. It's called stochastic terror. It is a tool of the left. And it's about time we said, you know what? Enough is freaking enough. Joining us to talk about this and so much more, Morgan Murphy, national security expert, US Navy captain and former Trump White House official. Welcome to the shore there. Morgan Murphy, your thoughts on what I've just said about the most recent yesterday attack on an ICE facility in Washington D.C. and the kind of people who are committing these attacks.

[Morgan Murphy]

Rob, it's great to be with you and you are exactly right. In fact, the irony writes itself. The one civilian this man injured was himself an immigrant there legally here for his hearing. And so the pro immigrant left violence hurt the exact person they claim to protect. And you're absolutely right. I mean the receipts prominent Democrats, these aren't fringe Democrats on some wackadoodle edge of the party. That's even worse. This is right down the center of the Democrat Party. They own this. Governor Tim Waltz, who was the vice presidential candidate said, quote, donald Trump's modern day Gestapo is scooping folks up off the street right there in New York. Representative Dan Goldman said to ICE's acting director at a February hearing on Capitol Hill, quote, if you don't like being called a fascist regime or secret police, then stop acting like one. I mean these are and Pritzker of Illinois said basically the same thing. I can go on and on, but they have been calling us fascists and Gestapo and Nazis. It is just a word they fling around really carelessly and it emboldens the crazy part of that party which is not small. There is a reason why violence, violence is being, it's a one way street right now.

[Rob Carson]

Of course it is.

[Morgan Murphy]

Violence is being perpetuated against conservatives. We've had our president, you know, tried to assassinate Donald Trump three times. Charlie Kirk, I could go on and on, yes, but you're exactly right.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I want you to listen to this. This is what happens when you work people into a lather. This is out of Minneapolis.

[Show Promo Announcer]

Get out.

[Rob Carson]

Does that sound sane at all to you? I mean honestly, no matter how mad you're about something, say for instance, there's a conservative Protest in Washington D.C. do you hear any of that madness at a conservative protest? Or, or is this something that they have been grooming since Occupy Wall Street?

[Morgan Murphy]

It has. And you're like going back to Occupy Wall street and the crazy banging of drums and it's just being loud. And Democrats are loud. They're probably, you know, your listeners know they all of us have liberal friends on Facebook online and guaranteed it's the liberal that makes the most noise, that comments the most atrocious things online, that says that sticks a Sign in their yard. That's publicly, you know, publicly yelling at the top of their lungs in city streets. And it's a lack of civility. Yeah, I'm proud of. I'm proud of the Republican Party because mostly when you see Republicans act, and no party has a monopoly on crazy. Every. Everybody has their wing nuts. But when you see Republicans en masse, they don't act like this.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I would say you were. I would say. I would say you are incorrect about the monopoly. A monopoly is anytime that you've got a more than a lion's share of whatever company that you own. And the Democrat party has about 95%, no, maybe 98% of the crazy. So I would disagree with you on that point. However, I want you to think about this. And I ran up. Somebody said this years ago. Voltaire said, those who are made to believe absurdity will commit atrocities. And let's use, for instance, Elon Musk, who is the Thomas Edison of our generation, presuming that you are a Gen Xer like me, a brilliant, brilliant man. And if I'm not mistaken, about a year and a half ago, he was a Nazi. He was going to cut government programs. They immediately painted him as some sort of a Nazi. He waved at the crowd at the right time. They made it into some sort of Nazi salute. And then consequently, people went out and burned his car dealerships. People who were driving cybertrucks in parades and they were along the parade route. And the mayor or the marshal of the parade in the cybertruck, they were vandalized or accosted. And now we've already moved on. He's no longer a Nazi. This is the kind of nonsense that we're dealing from the left. And I think we're getting near our end with regard to patience.

[Morgan Murphy]

Well, there is a point where society breaks down if you don't enforce your laws. And for too long, we've looked the other way, and justice has taken a backseat to mercy for decades. And if you just dole out mercy, they're two sides of the same coin. If all you do is give mercy and clemency to people, then there's no justice. Yes, and there's no justice without mercy, too. So we've just. We've erred too far, as you say, in one direction, and we've got to start handing out justice to people who deserve it.

[Rob Carson]

Now, I want to continue the conversation on the other side of the break with Morgan Murphy. Want to talk about the leftward lurch of the Democrat Party. And I Don't know if you've noticed the last couple of days a degree of panic rising from the Democrat Party with regard to this. I want to know your thoughts about the future of the Democratic Party. What's going to happen before the midterms, do you suppose? And we'll continue the conversation on the other side of the break. This is the Rob Carson Show. Hey guys, it's Carson for Relief Factor. When it comes to supplements, two things matter most. That it works and that you can trust it. I trust Relief Factor. We hear from people every single day whose lives have changed. And of course, we'd like you to hear a few of their stories. Mark, for instance, was in tears from his daily hand joint discussion. But after a week on Relief factor, he felt 50% better. Now he barely even notices any pain. I can attest to this. It used to hurt getting up and out of chairs or even off the bench press at the gym. Not so much anymore. People like Mark make it easy to find out if you'll be the next person telling us a Relief Factor story and how it gave you your life back. Three weeks. Now, for just $17.76, simply go to relieffactor.com or call 1-800-for relief. They'll do everything they can to help. We hope you'll be sharing your story to relieffactor.com or 800-for relief.

[Liberal Critic]

There are no signs that Iran is ready to stop fighting. So, so what is the plan? Is the plan to just keep bombing until they give up?

[Show Promo Announcer]

There are no signs. What, you know something that I don't know?

[Liberal Critic]

Well, they continue to attack our allies.

[Show Promo Announcer]

You know what the dialogue is behind the scenes, that they want to meet desperately to try and end it because they're getting decimated. You don't get that when you listen to your fake station. But you don't know. You don't know anything. So talks are you know something that I don't know? Do you know something I don't know?

[Liberal Critic]

Well, tell us.

[Show Promo Announcer]

I will tell you. They want to desperately meet. And until they're ready to meet in a meaningful way, we have no interest in.

[Rob Carson]

Even now the liberal media, the left is me media has from day one when Chris Murphy said day one, when we killed the ayatollah on day one, Chris Murphy said that the Operation Epic Fury was a disaster. And the leftist media has essentially taken the side of the Ayatollah, the cardboard gay Ayatollah in the IRGC ever since. Morgan Murphy, what are your thoughts on the latest of the last nine Days now of renewed attacks on Iran, the decimation of what was left of their military forces, and where we go from here.

[Morgan Murphy]

The President is using every option at his disposal to try to get Iran to be reasonable. And they have been crazy. This is the regime of Iran, not the Iranian people, but the regime running Iran has been. Think of the craziest person you know and multiply that times 10, and that is the Iranian regime. I was speaking a couple nights ago with a very senior member of the administration friend, and we said, you know, thank goodness that this kind of conflict has happened with a regional power as opposed to a Russia or a China, because the nature of war has evolved so quickly under. Right under our noses in the past five years, where the Navy in particular and the Air Force are really getting prepared for great power conflict with a regional player. The shahed drones that the Iranians have fly at about 100 miles an hour, and they project exactly where they are. If this were China or Russia, it wouldn't be doing that. So I think we're turning a corner on Iran. There is traffic going through the strait. The Iranians have played their last shot trying to close that strait. The U.S. navy has been in the business of opening blockades since 1865 here in my own state of Alabama. They ran the blockade in Mobile, and it was Admiral Farragood who said, damned the torpedoes, by which he meant mines. Full speed ahead. So they're going to go full speed ahead. They're going to open the straight, and it's going to be game over for Iran.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. What do you suppose? And I talked to General Blaine Holt and I predicted that the people of Persia will be free. They've been under the rule of this regime for 47 years. All of my adult life, all of my teenage years, and all of that. And I. And I don't believe it's hoping against hope. I believe that we're going to see a free Iran, and I believe we're going to see a millennial peace in the Middle East. Do you suppose that is coming and when do you suppose it'll happen?

[Morgan Murphy]

Well, think about what's happened right now in just the past five years, Rob. Did you ever think in your lifetime that we would see the Gulf states all united with Israel taking Israeli intelligence to fight in a joint way against Iran? I mean, nothing unites the people. Like Iran this week has attacked Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain. I mean, they have basically bombed every one of their neighbors, which has united the whole of the Gulf in a way that in our lifetime has never happened. So the Trump doctrine and the greater chess game that he is playing in this board is something unseen. I mean, we've just had, all of our lives have had presidents who pacified the lunatics in Tehran. And Trump is the first president who said, we're going to cut the head of this snake right off.

[Rob Carson]

Speaking of lunatics, let's talk about the Democrat Socialists of America. I believe they will be put out like a cigarette under the butt of our heels. But the Democrat Party has not been able to handle this temper tantrum by a small number of radicals. I believe that things are going to change pretty dramatically. And right now we're seeing a level of panic among the Democrat Party. We have not heard a dang thing from Hakeem Jeffries, haven't heard a thing from Chuck Schumer, haven't heard a thing from Nancy Pelosi. The only people who are still hanging tough with this bunch of radicals are people like Liz Warren. I've said the Democrat Party's to doing a spiral into hell. It appears to have been accelerated. What are your thoughts on this leftward direction and what's going to happen with the establishment versus the young Turks?

[Morgan Murphy]

Well, I just quoted the lunatic Dan Goleman saying that ICE is acting like the Gestapo. Yes, but he just lost by 30 points. He just got wiped out. Right, because he is not left crazy enough for their party. And the problem is the Democrat Socialists of America is about, they're poised to double their representation in Congress. That looks like winning to a party that keeps losing. I mean, I frequently remind Republicans, like, we're in control of the House and the Senate and the executive branch and the Supreme Court. We are winning. And so this looks like a winning strategy to democracy. I mean, as crazy as it is and it sounds, Mondami has, you know, he's, he's sitting at a 58% favorability rating in New York City with his, with his pothole politics. And it's appealing to, I guess, people in Brooklyn. I don't think it's going to play in Alabama. He's losing the Jewish vote.

[Show Promo Announcer]

He's.

[Morgan Murphy]

The Democratic Socialists are losing, you know, the church going black vote here in the south more conservative than they think. I mean, yes, I don't think it's going to play well for them on a national scale. It certainly isn't, you know, resonating with ordinary Americans who know, you know, that Democrats, you know, socialism's oldest trick is to rename envy as justice and resentment as compassion. And Americans just aren't going to buy it.

[Rob Carson]

No, not. And whenever it wins in places like Seattle or New York, people leave in Mass. California is a prime example of that. Maryland now another prime example of that. So I'm, I think we're going to see some fits and throws here, but I do believe that the Democrat Party is in a lot of trouble going to the midterms. I appreciate you joining me today. Morgan Murphy, tell us. Absolutely. Good to talk to you again. Where can we find all of your, your social media presence?

[Morgan Murphy]

Yeah. Come follow me. Any on any social media platform, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. Is Morgan WW Murray Fee on any of them?

[Rob Carson]

All right, take care. But we'll talk to you soon. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Scott Jennings]

Every single ICE agent who's engaged in this aggressive overreach, no matter what it takes, no matter how long it takes, will of course be identified. This is nothing that 1930s secret police

[Show Announcer]

who are masked, who are intimidating, who are scaring people. These Gestapo like tactics. This is Gestapo like behavior.

[Rob Carson]

I think we're kind of we've reached our, our, the end of our patience with regard to the, the left and calling ICE Gustavo and I'm, I feel terrible for those who are members of this agency. I remember just a few months ago when I moved to Washington, D.C. probably six months ago, I was talking to an Ice Age agent at the gym and I said, what are you doing? He goes, I'm working ice. And I'm like, what do you says? I don't want to make a big deal out of it. And I didn't realize how bad it had gotten. But it is really bad for the ICE agents and their families. Tom Holman yesterday was just sick and damn tired of it. Here he is going off on the media for their and it is absolutely unwarranted. It is a falsehood and it is nonsensical and it is driving people to attack these people. And the next thing that's going to happen is an agent is going to get murdered.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Murdered.

[Rob Carson]

That's just the way it works. That's just what the left wants.

[ICE Representative]

Administration says you always comply with law enforcement. But the hateful rhetoric that ICE isn't a real law enforcement agency. I see these signs. They were resist ICE started, you know, let's abolish them. They're fascists. When you keep that hateful rhetoric up a year and a half, there's going to be that percentage of that left population by design that's going to be emboldened to take action because they're not real law enforcement. They see I should resist them. All they had to do is simply comply with.

[Rob Carson]

This is why, like Renee Goode, who was bat guano crazy, she moved her children to Canada when Donald Trump was elected. That's bat guano crazy. Upset her kids and all that, came back here, married a nut bag, another woman. And they would go out and interrupt ICE raids. They had no business being involved in it whatsoever. And ultimately Renee Good tried to run over an ICE agent and was shot to death. Death by the agent protecting himself.

[ICE Representative]

If you don't like what law enforcement did, you then go to the court, sue, call the aclu, do whatever you want to do, but you should always comply in law enforcement. If they did, they'd be alive today. Now, I'm not going to comment on the investigation itself, but wait for it to play out. This is about complying with law enforcement and a lot of the. A lot of the negative.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. The ICE agents are not Nazis. They are not secret police. They don't scoop people up in unmarked vans and. And abscond them from the country. They act on legal orders. All right, let's move on. The Democrat Party is freaking out about the Democrat socialist takeover. We will talk about that. Even Van Jones thinks they've gone too far left. That's nuts. Don't go anywhere.