When Sanctuary Cities Meet ‘Sanctuary No More’

Summary

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The Rob Carson Show

Episode: When Sanctuary Cities Meet ‘Sanctuary No More’
Date: January 14, 2026
Host: Rob Carson
Guests: Erin Von Natta (Daily Caller), Scott Bessmonden, Donald Trump (clips), others

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Overview: Main Theme and Purpose

This episode of The Rob Carson Show takes a sharp, irreverently comedic look at the latest clash between federal immigration policy and so-called “sanctuary cities.” Focus centers around former President Donald Trump’s announcement to suspend federal payments to “blue sanctuary cities” and states, recent federal and state-level fraud scandals involving social services (especially in Minnesota), and the political firestorm arising from the ICE agent-involved shooting of Renee Nicole Goode. Rob and guests analyze the fallout, the fraud, and the breakdown between the left’s sanctuary ideology and federal enforcement, all in Rob’s signature boisterous, sarcastic style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Sanctuary Cities Crackdown ([00:22]–[02:27])

• Trump is enforcing a new policy: starting Feb 1, all federal payments to sanctuary cities/states will be suspended.
  • Trump (01:00): “No country can afford to take in millions of people, pay for their education, their healthcare, their hospitals. You just can't do it … But many of those people are murderers.”
• Trump frames this as a matter of protecting American citizens and combating criminality and fraud.
  • Trump (02:04): “We’re not making any payment to anybody that supports sanctuary.”
• Rob reacts approvingly, emphasizing the contrast between government support for undocumented migrants versus struggling American citizens.
  • Rob (01:28): “Where was the heart for the American people when they suffered?”

2. Republican Response & Push for Tightened Social Benefits ([04:35]–[05:18])

• GOP leaders are advancing a reconciliation bill to exclude undocumented immigrants from all government benefits, reform federal funding to only count citizens, and crack down on fraud.
  • Scott Bessmonden (04:48): “It prevents illegal immigrants from obtaining all government handouts, cracks down on rampant fraud … and reforms funding so only citizens count when we’re doling out federal funds.”
• Rob: If Democrats try to block this, it will be “a losing political message,” referring to calls to abolish ICE as politically “lethal.”

3. Massive Fraud in Social Services – Minnesota Case Study ([05:18]–[08:19])

• Discussion of widespread fraud in Minnesota: Somali-run daycare centers, interpreter scams, transportation kickbacks, and fraudulent nonprofits.
  • Nick Shirle (as recounted by Scott, 06:05): “When a Somali goes to the doctor, magically, they forgot how to speak English. So they need an interpreter there. $100 an hour, minimum, eight hours … millions and millions, hundreds of millions of dollars all on its own.”
• Rob: “The abuses and usurpations of us are much greater than… the founders experienced. And now I know.”
• Calls for criminal prosecution and accountability for the fraudsters and complicit politicians (e.g., Ilhan Omar).
  • Trump (08:54): “We intend to imprison any fraudster, politician or public official involved in these sick plots to loot and pillage our country.”

4. Ilhan Omar & Local Political Fallout ([09:26]–[10:53])

• Rob and guests directly link Minnesota’s politicians (Ilhan Omar, Tim Walz, Keith Ellison) to the fraud but acknowledge little has been done to hold them accountable.
  • Notable moment: Von Natta confronts Omar about fraud allegations; Omar deflects, prompting Rob to comment sarcastically.
  • Aaron Von Natta (11:03): “Are you at all worried about a formal investigation that could perhaps lead to your deportation?”
  • Omar (paraphrased): Appears unconcerned, dismisses the significance.
  • Rob (11:09): “You should be.”

5. ICE Agent Shooting of Renee Nicole Goode ([15:02]–[17:15])

• Video surfaces showing Goode using her vehicle to block, then allegedly attempt to run over, a federal agent. The shooting narrative is hotly contested, with Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey defending Goode and Trump backers asserting justification.
  • Rob (15:50): “This jackass [Jacob Frey] has destroyed Minneapolis. The city is a craphole. … Now it is Mogadishu for God’s sake.”
• Reference to protesters interfering with federal law enforcement and the legal consequences of impeding federal agents.
  • Bessmonden (16:20): “You are aware that 18 US code 111 makes it a federal crime to impede … officers.”

6. Media Coverage and Shifting Narratives ([17:31]–[18:48], [27:17]–[27:54])

• Comparison between Obama-era ICE enforcement and current controversies; Rob contends that Democrats are now hypocritically hostile to enforcement they once supported.
• CBS News and other mainstream outlets are making a rhetorical “pivot” towards more balanced or even Trump-friendly coverage, possibly too late to repair their standing.
  • Rob (27:54): “One other percent. … CBS News has really pivoted ... but it’s still a giant corporation.”

7. The “Woke” Culture War & Supreme Court Transgender Rights Debate ([20:54]–[25:15])

• Rob and Von Natta mock the ambiguity and perceived absurdity of current legal arguments around gender definitions at the Supreme Court.
  • Rob (21:31): [Sarcastic rant about the inability to define “man” or “woman”]
  • Von Natta (23:12): “It’s kind of mind boggling, honestly, when you’re listening to these… When she [Ketanji Brown Jackson] was nominated, she said she couldn’t answer what a woman was because she wasn’t a biologist.”
  • Trend cited: Even Hollywood figures are distancing themselves from “woke” orthodoxy as it becomes less culturally popular.

8. Women in Modern Liberal Movements (“Karen” Phenomenon & “Dark Woke”) ([31:23]–[33:48])

• The show riffs on the explosion of white liberal women in progressive activism, comparing the social dynamics to historical witch hunts.
  • Rob (31:23, 33:05): “This will be a moment in time. We remember when white liberal women went freaking nuts … like the Salem witch trials.”
  • Von Natta (32:29): “People on the left and some on the right are referring to this phenomenon as Dark Woke.”

9. Outlook for Justice, Accountability, and Political Change ([34:27]–[36:23])

• Both Rob and Von Natta express skepticism that established Democrat figures (Clinton, Comey, etc.) will be prosecuted — despite hopes for increased accountability with the Trump return.
  • Rob (36:03): “Trump is very frustrated by the DOJ and not having people indicted. … You call it retribution, I don’t even care. It’s called accountability and it’s got to happen.”
  • Von Natta (35:33): “I don’t, unfortunately [think there will be prosecutions].”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Rob Carson (01:28): “Where was the heart for the American people when they suffered? … while you scraped and worked three jobs.”
• Donald Trump (02:04): “We’re not making any payment to anybody that supports sanctuary.”
• Scott Bessmonden (04:48): “Now this is our moment to flip the script, restore balance for the American people and put power back in your hands. Not bureaucrats, foreign nationals.”
• Nick Shirle, via Scott (06:05): “When a Somali goes to the doctor, magically, they forgot how to speak English … $100 an hour … millions and millions, hundreds of millions of dollars all on its own.”
• Donald Trump (08:54): “We intend to imprison any fraudster, politician or public official involved in these sick plots to loot and pillage our country.”
• Rob Carson (15:50): “This jackass [Mayor Frey] has destroyed Minneapolis … Now it is Mogadishu for God’s sake.”
• Aaron Von Natta (23:12): “It’s kind of mind boggling, honestly, when you’re listening to these [Supreme Court arguments] … she said she couldn’t answer what a woman was because she wasn’t a biologist.”
• Rob Carson (31:23): “This will be a moment in time. We remember when white liberal women went freaking nuts. … That’s your Democrat party.”
• Rob Carson (36:03): “Trump is very frustrated by the DOJ and not having people indicted. … You call it retribution, I don’t even care. It’s called accountability and it’s got to happen.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Topic | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | [00:22] | Opening, Trump’s sanctions on sanctuary cities | | [01:28] | American citizens vs. government benefits for illegals | | [04:35] | Scott Bessmonden: GOP reconciliation bill, handout reform | | [05:18] | Minnesota Somali fraud breakdown | | [08:54] | Trump on imprisoning fraudulent officials (Ilhan Omar) | | [11:03] | Von Natta confronts Omar on fraud allegations | | [15:02] | Renee Nicole Goode shooting, video evidence discussed | | [21:06] | Supreme Court gender definition debate, Von Natta joins | | [31:23] | Cultural discussion: white liberal women & activism | | [34:27] | Fraud exposure, accountability, and GOP prospects | | [36:03] | Trump’s frustration at lack of prosecutions |

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Guest Segment: Erin Von Natta (Daily Caller) ([22:02], [25:15], [34:27])

• Comments on the Supreme Court, the trajectory of “woke” issues, and her reporting on fraud both in the US and Somalia.
• Von Natta (34:27): “It’s wild when you look at the extent of this. One of our reporters actually talked to a lawmaker in Somalia about how entrenched the fraud pipeline is … a lot of this is affecting US taxpayers.”
• Promotes the Daily Caller’s substack, and teases upcoming exclusive reporting (36:23).

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Tone and Style

Rob Carson’s show is raucous, hyperbolic, and snarky, blending serious concerns about fraud, immigration, and cultural change with irreverent humor, strong partisanship, and plenty of jabs at progressive figures and mainstream media. The episode moves rapidly between political critique, conspiracy theory, conservative cultural commentary, and comedic asides, supported by direct soundbites from Trump and recurring banter with guests.

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For New Listeners

This episode provides a vivid, unapologetically conservative critique of U.S. immigration policy, sanctuary cities, and the intersection of social fraud, local politics, and national media. It’s packed with pointed commentary, behind-the-scenes claims about political accountability, and a heavy dose of cultural analysis—and doesn’t shy away from rhetorical fire. If you want a window into the right-populist media world’s framing of 2026’s political crises, this episode delivers.

Transcript

[Rob Carson]

Hold it. Now.

[Donald Trump]

You are about to hear the most interesting, informative, thought provoking and funny show in America on air and on the World Wide Web. This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Rob Carson]

This is hour number two of the Rob Carson Show. Erin Von Nada from the Daily Caller joins us later in the show. She's always a lot of fun. Next hour, Adam Jalan from Accuracy and Media. He's always, always awesome, always as well. So there's a little icing on the cake. By the way, on February 1st, all federal payments to blue sanctuary cities to be suspended. There you go. So Donald Trump is saying, you want to be a sanctuary city, you want to be a sanctuary state, go for it. You ain't getting anything from us. Which I say amen. Here is the President talking about that and, and going after California.

[Donald Trump]

We're giving 90 day notices to places like California. Right away we're going to send out that notice. Who would bill the federal government as people poured into the state to send those people back because no country can afford to do it. No country can afford to take in millions of people, pay for their education, their health care, their hospitals. You just can't do it. And we all have a heart. You can't do it. But many of those people are murderers.

[Rob Carson]

Where was the heart for the American people when they suffered? Where was the heart for the American people as they suffered? I'll tell you what, man, I mean, putting up illegals in hotels and buying out the Roosevelt Hotel for $500 a night for a year for illegals, giving people $10,000 on a snap card, giving people free childcare, free this. While you scraped and worked three jobs.

[Donald Trump]

There are people released from jails, prisons, mental institutions and saving silence. They're people that are drugged.

[Rob Carson]

If you are still a Democrat, you are friggin nuts.

[Donald Trump]

They're addicts. Additionally, starting February 1st, we're not making any payments to sanctuary cities or states having sanctuary cities because they do everything possible to protect criminals at the expense of American citizens. And it breeds fraud and crime and all of the other problems that come. So we're not making any payment to anybody that supports sanctuary.

[Rob Carson]

Oh my goodness. You know, isn't it nice to have a president who has cojones? The gop, by the way, is part of the reconciliation. The Democrats are going to try shut down the government again. They're saying if you're going to shut down the government unless you abolish ICE or defund ice. And by the way, Democrats are being warned to not say abolish ICE because it's losing political message. It's a losing political message. No kidding, right? People on the side of ICE and the ICE officers and they're really ticked off that people are attacking them in Minnesota. And they love it, by the way, when some of those protesters get their asses handed to them. They do. It's. I love it. I love it. I love beating down porn. It's spectacular. Democrats need to drop the abolish ICE political slogan if they have a hope of winning back the majority in Congress. They're not going to because they're offering nothing and they wrecked the country for four years. They're offering nothing. They suck. They're terrible people. They have an 18% approval rating. Good luck winning both houses with that, I will say don't take it for granted. Vote, vote, vote. Third way in a memo to Democrats started first with NBC News warning Democrats against talking in extreme turns in the wake of the highly charged days following the ICE shooting of Renee Nicole Goode. This impulse is emotional. The slogan is simple, but politically, it is lethal. Memo from Sarah Pearson. Lenae Erickson. They use they them pronouns anyway. Leaders in social policy for third Way. Third way. Every call to abolish ICE risks squandering one of the clearest opportunities in years to secure a meaningful reform of immigration enforcement while handing Republicans exactly the fight they want. Well, we've already fixed the immigration thing, so good luck with that. You, you destroyed it for years. But here is GOP congressman talking about the reconciliation and what they're going to do. And what they're going to do is all federal aid, all government largesse cut off to illegals. You come here illegally, you get nothing.

[Scott Bessmonden]

Now Republicans in Congress can and must go it alone with the second reconciliation bill. And this RSC's framework is all about making life affordable again for the American people and putting the American worker first.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Scott Bessmonden]

It prevents illegal immigrants from obtaining all government, government handouts, cracks down on rampant fraud like the abuse and mess that we've seen. And Democrats.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, go ahead, the Democrats and try and, and try and block that. Try to shut down the government over that in Minnesota. Yeah.

[Scott Bessmonden]

And reforms funding so only citizens count when we're doling out federal funds to the states. Now, this is our moment to flip the script, restore balance for the American people and put power back in your hands. Not bureaucrats, foreign national.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, because they've been abusing the snot out of us and stealing from us from here. You know, Nick Shirl had a half a billion views on that video where he exposed all The Somali daycare centers that are fraudulent. And it's so level. They were like, oh, no, he went in off hours. Really? He went at 11 in the morning. Oh, yeah. Because, you know, the people only bring their kids there from 2 to 10 in the afternoon. Honestly. Whoa. Wow. We know. We get it. The jig is up. All right. It's all fraud. But he brought up there's a new way that the Somalians did. Maybe there's a reason why the Somalians aren't learning the English in. In Minnesota. Listen to this. This is Nick Shirley talking to his friend. It's a David Coke, I believe. K O C H. The older guy who hangs out with him and does all the, you know, the videos and whatnot. Listen to this.

[Scott Bessmonden]

When a Somali goes to the doctor, magically, they forgot how to speak English. So they need an interpreter there. Yeah. So the county brings in an interpreter At $100 an hour, minimum, eight hours to interpret what the doctor is telling the patient. So that's another layer of fraud that nobody's even talked about or revealed. And it's. It's millions and millions, hundreds of millions of dollars all on its own. Interpreter services. Because what percentage do you think of these people, especially if they were born here in the United States? They speak English, right? Of course they do. They should not be saying no English. And then, remember, the interpreter has to get to the doctor's office or the hospital. How are they getting there? The transportation company. And then they got to get back home, and that patient had to get to the doctor's office. How transportation? Kids got to get to school. How Transportation. That's why I said the transportation is the whole of it, really. I think all of this. So basically what we're talking about, between all these fraudulent businesses, the daycare, the autism centers, the adult daycare, the home services, and then the transportation. And then on top of that, you have it looped in with them going eventually to the doctors for translators to be paid by the state.

[Rob Carson]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Just. I mean, I had no idea when I said that the abuses and usurpations of us are much greater than those that the founders experienced. And now I know. I mean, it is much worse than I could have ever imagined. But Democrats are still lying about it.

[Scott Bessmonden]

This cell phone video, you can see Renee Good using her car to block federal agents for more than three.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, okay. I was gonna move on to the Renee Good thing. We are going to move to that. But I'm going to tell you, the fraud is worse than we could have ever Imagined. And they've been stealing from us. I mean, just stealing from us. This is Scott Besmonden. This is why Tim did not provide any security for the Secretary of the treasury in Minnesota, because he's about to give old Timmy Timmy a rectal exam. I want to hear your statements because as I spend time here, it is good to be back in Minnesota. Minneapolis, I am hopeful too, because even though it is cold outside, sunshine is the best antiseptic. Yeah. And we are going to clean this out.

[Scott Bessmonden]

We are going to stop it.

[Rob Carson]

We are going to make recovery. And as Jennifer said, we are going to get the money flowing back to people like her organization who help the children. How about we put some people in jail? I'd kind of like to see the people going to jail thing. I really want to see the people going to jail thing really bad. And Americans want to see the people going to jail thing really, really bad. Because honestly, sick and damn tired of it. Here's Donald Trump talking about, like Ilhan Omar. It's pretty obvious she doesn't seem to be very much on the. On the up and up, as it were.

[Donald Trump]

We intend to imprison any fraudster, politician or public official involved in these sick plots to loot and pillage our country. Think of that. Ilan Omar, she lives in Somalia. They don't have a government, they don't have a military, they don't have police, they don't have anything. All they have is murder and robbing ships, bringing in ships, pirates. Same missile ping. That's the end of them. It's amazing how that can stop corruption. Those missiles, they never miss. You the same one? Exactly the same one.

[Rob Carson]

That is fantastic. And of course, Elon Omar is feeling the heat, man. She is feeling the heat. And here she is lying after all of the indictments, all the fraud, exposing, saying there's nothing to see here.

[Scott Bessmonden]

They have not been able to tell us what is the purpose for this search. They haven't been able to produce any evidence that they are finding.

[Rob Carson]

My God.

[Scott Bessmonden]

People who are undocumented, who have committed crimes, almost every single person that they have information.

[Rob Carson]

And what a despicable human being. Here. I'll give you some evidence, you psycho.

[Scott Bessmonden]

You have an individual from Laos, illegal alien convicted of violent sexual assault of minors.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Scott Bessmonden]

And Salvadorian, convicted of three counts of homicide. Another LA convicted of sexual assault of a girl under 13 years old and procuring a minor for prostitution. You have a Mexican illegal convicted of homicide. A Sudanese illegal convicted of homicide. Another Mexican national convicted of sexual assault of A child. You've got a Somalian citizen, illegal immigrant, convicted of homicide. And the list goes on and on.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, the list goes on and on. And she's doing that. And here she is being confronted by a reporter from Lindell tv, I guess, and she didn't want to answer any questions. She was all snotty and everything. I. Oh, I just pray she has to be sent back to Somalia penniless. Penniless. Back to Somalia.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Congresswoman, Republicans have repeatedly stated that you committed immigration fraud. Are you at all worried about a formal investigation that could perhaps lead to your deportation?

[Rob Carson]

Are you one of those people? You're one of those people. People who tell the truth.

[Aaron Von Natta]

I know what that means, but are you at all concerned? Do I look concerned?

[Rob Carson]

You should be. I guess not. You should be.

[Aaron Von Natta]

What about the Minnesota fraud hearing? You didn't show up for that. Do you think you should have? Why should I happen in your state? Don't want to defend your position.

[Scott Bessmonden]

There were people from my state that were there. Oh, okay.

[Aaron Von Natta]

But why not you? I mean, there's allegations that you're complicit in the fraud. Wouldn't you want to show up? There would be an allegation that I'm complicit. How would I be complicit?

[Rob Carson]

Because, let's see, you steered $250 million toward defeat, and you actually were. You held your campaign victory party in one of the restaurants that got $9 million fraudulently and, you know, and all the fraud is coming Somalians.

[Scott Bessmonden]

Well, what about Tim Wolf?

[Aaron Von Natta]

You just asked stupid questions.

[Rob Carson]

Not stupid questions. Your answers are stupid.

[Aaron Von Natta]

I'm curious to get your thoughts. I mean, there's a lot of controversy around the issue. $9 billion.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, I hope she is sleep. She's having sleepless nights as she lays next to her brother in bed. She has sleepless nights. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show.

[Donald Trump]

Would I launch strikes in Mexico to stop drugs? It's okay with me.

[Rob Carson]

Boom, boom, boom, boom Bang, bang, bang, bang Boom, boom, boom, boom. That is a John Lee Hooker original, redone by Big Head Todd and the Monsters. Thank you very much. Band that I have followed for many, many years. Many, many years. That's their cover of it. And it's. It's just kicks butt. I mean, just kicks butt. A lot of comments on the comment line today about the show being on fire today and me being. Whatever. Exuberant, I guess. And I try to be that way every day. I do. I try to greet the day with Joy, every day I'm you, you would just, you would be just discussed. If you're not, you'd hate me because I get out of bed and I go and get my coffee and I blend my coffee protein with this little cool thing. They got this little blender thingy from Beam's Dream Powder. Oh my God. There's this little whiskey and it goes. Not whiskey, but it whisks the powder into the coffee and I drink that and I grab a couple pieces of bread and I walk out the door and I feed it to the birds and I talk to the birds in the garage and my neighbors think I'm friggin nuts and I smile and I just, I'm just, I'm a happy person. I've been through a lot of crap. And you know, and you know, I think we're winning. You know, we've been through a lot together. You and I have been through a lot together. We went through censorship and watching our border be open and screaming at the top of lungs. Close the border. Screaming as we watched friends and neighbors die of fentanyl poisoning. Screaming when they shut down our churches for a virus that didn't require that and destroyed our kids education. We went through hell and we're on the other side of it. They're not done. We still have to beat them. But we've been through so much together and I'm here in Washington D.C. you know, they threw everything at Donald Trump. Whoever is in charge threw a lot of crap at me too. You know, I mean, it's not very often you turn your life over to God and you commit yourself to marriage and sobriety and then your wife decides to divorce you four years after you turn your life around and turn your life to sobriety. I'm like, who? Who's doing this? Who, who is doing this? So you know, two minute warning, fourth quarter. That's where I am in my life. And I plan on winning. So there you go. This whole nonsense in Minnesota, Renee Goode being murdered by an ICE agent is falling apart there. The left is going to be moving on to something else. They're gonna move on to something else.

[Scott Bessmonden]

Video, you can see Renee Good using her car to block federal agents for more than three.

[Rob Carson]

The ICE agent, even this before the ICE agent was in front of the car and she tried to mount him over and he shot her.

[Scott Bessmonden]

Approaches her at one point.

[Rob Carson]

You can see her dancing in the.

[Scott Bessmonden]

Driver'S seat as she's honking the horn. The Trump administration argues this is yet another piece of evidence Showing that good was out there intentionally obstructing federal agents. But even now, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry says he's convinced the video shows she was trying to leave. You don't need to take my word for it. You don't need to take their word for it. Watch the video. You had a person that was definitively trying to just get out of there. They were trying to leave the scene. That is not a person that's trying to run an ice.

[Rob Carson]

This jackass has destroyed Minneapolis. I mean, the city is a crap hole. I lived there in the 90s. I used to go downtown, do stand up and acme comedy down there. Nick Swartzen was down there. We were doing stand up comedy on Tuesday, open mic night. All of this. They were great places. The restaurants downtown. There were all sorts of places to go. And now it is a crap hole. It is Mogadishu, for God's sake. Here is Jacob Fry denying and ducking on violence that he is allowed to happen.

[Scott Bessmonden]

You're seeing it in real time. You are aware that 18 US code 111 makes it a federal crime to impede, interfere or even assault officers. And we see the protesters crossing the line of protesting, throwing rocks, hitting cars and interfering in the federal government's view.

[Rob Carson]

By the way, it's backfiring. They're sending more agents. They're going to lose of their operation, not stop the damn thing.

[Scott Bessmonden]

Carrying out federal immigration law enforcement. Look, we have had perhaps tens of thousands of people peacefully protesting in the streets and at the same time throwing.

[Rob Carson]

Them frozen water bottles just like they did in 2020.

[Scott Bessmonden]

Yeah, they are going to stand up for their neighbors. And what we are seeing time and time again is unconstitutional. Cond. ICE is not new. Our separation ordinance in the city is not new. ICE has been around for decades of crap.

[Rob Carson]

I mean, honestly. So this is Josh Earnest. Remember old Josh Earnest? He was a spokesman, White House spokesperson for Barack Obama. Listen to how genteel he was when it came to ICE enforcing immigration laws. And some of the reports, like 2012.

[Scott Bessmonden]

Or so, suggest that, you know, families. The Los Angeles Time quoted a woman saying that her family in Georgia came in room to room, woke up her own kids. They were shaking with fear, wondering if the administration can confirm that those operations have begun and whether the White House has had input directly with DHS about how those operations should be handled and whether there are any concerns about striking fear into the communities, including those who drive. David, for individual operations, I'd refer you to the Department of Homeland Security. And they can. They can discuss with you individual operations that were carried out. What I can tell you is that the Department of Homeland Security has prioritized the cases of recent arrivals in the United States without proper documentation. This is consistent with the kinds of priorities that the president himself has talked about, the president himself talked at all about with the Department of Homeland Security about sort of the way these operations are conducted. Well, obviously, in terms of setting policy, the, the White House and the Department of Homeland Security have had discussions about, about some of these matters. But ultimately, when it comes to enforcement issues, those are decisions that are made by law enforcement professionals.

[Rob Carson]

Wow, that's just amazing, isn't it? You see, because they, they twisted it. Barack Obama used to talk about, hey, you know, if you got kids and, you know, you're in the country illegally, you're going to have to leave with your kids. Oh, yeah, separate family. He said the same thing, guys. But the Democrat Party decided to import tens of millions because they were losing, losing on, on the idea front. So they had to steal elections. So they opened up the southern border and they created a virus and they sent out millions of mail in votes. It was a giant thing. And now they're losing, losing, losing, losing. And they will lose in perpetuity because we're fixing the that we fix the border, we're deporting the illegals and we are cleaning the voter rolls and we're taking away the government largesse from people who don't deserve it. Let's take a break and come back. Aaron Von naata, DAILY CALLER up next, don't go anywhere. Hey, guys, It's Carson for quints.com Colder days mean layers, and your winter wardrobe may have you considering a winter reset. I went to a jazz club the other night wearing a quince tee, another shirt over it and a quince wool jacket. A woman said, you look fine. I mean, it blew me away. I have spent every dime for my kids and my wife for 25 years. Now I feel confident and I look good with quince. I couldn't believe it. Quince has everything you need. Men's Mongolian cashmere sweaters, wool coats, leather and suede outerwear, each piece made with premium materials by trusted factories that meet rigorous standards. No middlemen means no traditional markups. The wool coat I wore to the jazz club the other night turned heads cost less than I paid elsewhere. You can also find anything for your home, including kitchen, bath and even for travel. Refresh your wardrobe at quints. Go to quince.com newsmax that's Q-U-I-N c e.com newsmax for free shipping and 365 day returns quince.com newsmax that'S quince.com newsmax.

[Scott Bessmonden]

Is it not necessary for there to be for equal protection purposes if that.

[Rob Carson]

Is challenged under the equal protection clause.

[Scott Bessmonden]

An understanding of what it means to.

[Rob Carson]

Be a boy or a girl or.

[Scott Bessmonden]

A man or a woman?

[Aaron Von Natta]

Yes, your honor.

[Scott Bessmonden]

And what is that definition for equal protection purposes?

[Rob Carson]

What does, what does it mean to be a boy or a girl or.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I think that the underlying enactment, whatever it was, the policy, the law, the would have to, we'd have to have an understanding of how the state or the government was just understanding that term to figure out whether or not someone was excluded. We do not have a definition for the court.

[Rob Carson]

Oh my God. What a circuitous way to get to a point. I mean if you take if your GPS had a voice that had a, an IQ of 40, that's the route to what a man and a woman is. That's the route they'd take. You honestly. Mind bogglingly stupid. Aaron Von of the Daily Caller joins us on the Newsmax. Hello Aaron, how are you?

[Aaron Von Natta]

I'm doing great, Rob, how are you?

[Rob Carson]

I'm just trying to hope that we can stamp out the, the last little embers of nonsense and replace them with common sense in this new year. And apparently nonsense is still burning in the Supreme Court.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Yeah, you know, we on the one hand it's disappointing, but here at the Daily Caller we get a lot of content out of that.

[Rob Carson]

Oh, oh Lord. Are you kidding me? You want to talk about content? What do you think this show is about? I mean, my God. And then yesterday, and then yesterday Ketanji Brown Jackson, she literally used the word cisgendered which didn't exist five years ago. I mean, how stupid. I mean honestly, I'm not going to filter this. She's not intelligent. If you fall for woke nonsense that was created and you buy into it, what actually fed you? How could you get on the Supreme Court? I think we know. What are your thoughts about the overall arguments yesterday and what do you think is going to happen? I think it's obvious that hopefully it'll be a 54 decision in favor of common sense. What do you think?

[Aaron Von Natta]

I hope so too. I mean we're lucky in that we have ostensibly conservative majority on the Supreme Court. I think in cases like this, I just, it's kind of mind boggling, honestly, when you're listening to these, especially someone like Kentucky Brown Jackson speaking about these topics. I mean, I believe she was the one. When she was nominated, she said she couldn't answer what a woman was because she said she wasn't a biologist. And she's just continued that line of thought throughout her career so far. But I don't know if you saw this was circulating on social media. They start going around on all the qualifications of the various Supreme Court justices. And one of the qualifications that I believe, Katanji, maybe one other justice, one of the boxes she checked off was public. Went to a public high school, like that was one of the purported qualifications for Supreme Court justice. And look, I went to public school. Yes, that's enough of a qualification to be a Supreme Court justice.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I went to a very fine school. I grew up in Iowa, and it was before the nonsense hit the fan. And Iowa was at the time very, you know, top rated in primary education around the country. So I have an advantage there. But clearly education, public education is failing us. I mean, honestly, this is just so utterly. And the thing about it is no regard for the women who are the larger portion of those injured by this, only regard for the person who is. And, sorry, just a couple years ago, it was regarded as a mental illness. And all of a sudden it's, you are a victim, you are this, you are that. Oh, my God. And it's almost making, like, the women who are being abused here into the abusers. It's so preposterous. It's just bloody preposterous.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Yeah, it's completely backwards. But I do think that we're seeing sort of this trend decreasing. I believe it's on the decline, which is good. I mean, obviously you have the cohort of activists that are just never going to give up this issue, but it's become less popular to go along with this nonsense. I remember, actually there was, I believe it was Karen Knightley, the actress. She did an audiobook reading of one of the Harry Potter books and she was asked by some journalists if, you know, that was about J.K. rowling's views. And she's like, the journalist said, oh, people are upset about, you know, you're doing this reading. And she was like, really? I didn't know. She's like, whatever.

[Rob Carson]

Wow.

[Aaron Von Natta]

You know, even people in Hollywood are kind of giving this issue up because it's so unpopular.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, you got that. Billy Bob Thornton's got a streaming show on Landman, and they've been calling out some of this nonsense. I saw a piece yesterday where this young woman moves in with this, woke, broke Vegan, lesbian, bi gendered, trans, whatever the hell they them. And it was just like, I mean it was glory. Have you seen that clip?

[Aaron Von Natta]

I haven't. I heard that Landman is kind of pushing back against, you know, the woke themes that are constantly in TV shows. So I hope that they continue to do that and don't backtrack, which I'm sure the executives of that show are facing pressure to kind of kowtow to the vocal minority, but I hope they don't.

[Rob Carson]

Have you seen what CBS News. Have you seen the pivot they've been doing? I wonder if it's too little, too late. I mean the letter networks are going to experience, never going to experience the glory they once had, obviously. But CBS News has really pivoted this. Tony Tokopol, Pokapo, whatever. I can't, I'll figure it out eventually. But he's been pretty good, he's had a pretty good interview with Donald Trump last night and he's, he's actually fair.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Well, that probably that might have something to do with the, definitely the shift in editorial leadership. Oh, yes.

[Rob Carson]

Oh yes.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Probably what has happened last year. And I'm sure that there are staff members who are just, you know, really against that and are kind of, well, of course back against any fair treatment of anyone on the right. But you know, I would still advise, I think it's just good that CBS is making that change. But you know, I'd still advise people would look at other sources. Yes, of course, there's still a giant corporate corporation. Right.

[Rob Carson]

One other percent. You know, and this also happened the Washington Post. There were a bunch of the snotty coastal elites of the Washington Post, like tenured professors who started whining. When was it Ibezos bought the Post and said, hey, how about being journalists? Remember that kind of thing happened. Same thing's going with several career prosecutors. The Justice Department Civil Rights Division announced they are leaving the department shortly after they learned there would be no civil rights probe into the fabled shooting of Renee Good. At least six prosecutors, most of which are supervisors of the Civil Rights division, will be leaving their jobs because they're not going to go after the officer who shot Renee Goode because it was justified.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Yeah. There was a report that came out, I believe today that says the ICE officer in question suffered internal bleeding. So and I mean, on the one hand, if these prosecutors are voluntarily leaving. Good. Yeah, I know, right. The Trump admin doesn't have to hire them. They're, they're, they can go work at the ACLU now, you know, 100%.

[Rob Carson]

You know, we call that, Aaron, we call it self deportation.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

Hey, I want to talk more about this on the other side of the break if you can hold. There's a couple of other things. Obviously it's never a slow news day. Aaron, you know this as well as I do. And also think about some of the things you've been working on as well because I'd love to hear what you are working on exclusively. Aaron Vadnatta of the Daily Callers, take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. Hey guys, it's Carson for Relief Factor. You know, I saw an ad for Relief Factor a while back and I saw a guy literally in tears with how he talked about the pain that he was experienced was gone. It happened to me too. I started it taking a few months ago. My hip was really bothering me and I wondered because I'm the age of, you know, replacement of joints and whatnot, if it could be better. And I started taking Relief Factor and it healed. It's a 100% drug free research based formula created to help your body's natural inflammatory response. The same one that caused everyday aches and pains from aging, exercise, overexertion and just normal living. It helped me with my hip, my neck, my shoulders, all the places that remind you you're not 25 anymore. Relief Factor supports a healthy response to inflammation, helping you stay active and keep those joints and muscles feeling good. It's made with four key ingredients, omega 3 fatty acids, resveratrol, curcumin and Ikarian. Each one helping from a different angle. You can start with the three week quick start for just $19.95. That's less than a cup of coffee a day. So if you're tired of creaking like an old floorboard every time you move, give Relief Factor a try. Go to relieffactor.com that's relieffactor.com and feel the difference. Relief Factor. Because getting out of bed shouldn't count as a workout.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Just register, just register Republican. You know, blue dot IN a red area, just register Republican. Then you get a saying who gets to be their primary candidate? Register Republican. Just register Republican. It doesn't matter. You go online, that little card doesn't make a difference. It doesn't actually mean anything. You can just register Republican. Let's all just register Republican. We can all register Republican. What will happen if the Republican Party and the MAGA party all starts getting crazy leftist LGBTQ folk and just we can all just register Republican.

[Rob Carson]

I gotta tell you, this will be a moment in time. We remember when white liberal women went freaking nuts. I identified the white liberal Karen. Years ago this week, we heard Jesse Waters finally got it. He said they're called the sack dwelling crazy cat ladies and the emasculated men in their lives. That's your Democrat party. Those are the people who are going after ICE agents. And if you've noticed lately, I mean, the Internet is just populated with these bat guano, crazy, obscene white liberal women. It is, it is a cultural phenomenon. I heard yesterday on Jesse, benched yesterday, a comparison that I made years ago to the Salem witch trials. It was that same sort of mania. And it was young white women going after, oh, they're suddenly witches. We gotta kill the witches and all that. And I said that years ago. Aaron Von Naata. I mean, I think this could be the year that the Karen is exposed and denigrated. What do you think?

[Aaron Von Natta]

Yeah, it would seem that's the case. I know that people on the left and some on the right are also kind of referring to this phenomenon as Dark Woke.

[Rob Carson]

Dark woke.

[Aaron Von Natta]

There was this interesting piece in Unheard by Emily Jasinsky, but she sort of breaks this down and explains how a lot of these, I mean, these, their women are like recruited by these groups that provide a sense of community. A lot of them, you know, probably are lonely or struggling with various mental illness, which definitely doesn't excuse their actions, but it certainly explains why they're drawn to. I mean, it's crazy when you watch these videos because they're not strong enough to take on a grown male ICE agent, but they're, they're shooting their mouths up.

[Rob Carson]

They're like, they're like the Chihuahua. And on the other side of the fence is the pit. Bul. Open the gate and we got a problem here, you know, and by the way, Gen Z, they're, they're, they're calling crazy white women Jessica's. I don't like, I don't like just destroying somebody's name because there's no male equivalent. What's, what's a male equivalent? Is it. Maybe it should be. What's the name? The, the, the mayor of, of Minneapolis.

[Aaron Von Natta]

I'm drawing Jacob Frey.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, Jacob. Maybe we should call him Jacobs. But I know some good Jacobs. But there's no male equivalent. And I don't want to just call Jessica's. I don't want to destroy Jessica's. Karen's already had a hell of a year.

[Aaron Von Natta]

No, I agree with the main thing.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. So, Renee, good shooting. I think this was the next thing because the Monday before it was Donald Trump is a war criminal for going after Maduro and free Maduro. And then week before that, it was Pete Exit is a war criminal because he's blowing up the boat. And now, you know, they're always looking for the next thing. I think this Renee Goode thing is beginning to fall. I think the corruption in Minneapolis is really coming to a head here. We've got Scott Besson there, and Donald Trump said he's cutting off funds to sanctuary cities and states, cleaning up the voter rolls. What are your thoughts on the exposition of all this fraud and what do you think's gonna happen?

[Aaron Von Natta]

Man, it's wild when you just look at the extent of this. One of our reporters, Derek Buzzkirk, he actually talked to a lawmaker in Somalia about just how entrenched the fraud pipeline is. And, you know, he went into depth on, like, all the fraud in Somalia's government and how a lot of this being affecting US Taxpayers because we're like the major.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Sort of donor to Somalia via all these nonprofits. And it's, it's ridiculous.

[Rob Carson]

I want to see people perpl. Walked, man. I do. We've got to see people go to jail. Donald Trump is promising him. I, you know, and you know, you know that Ilhan Omar, you know that Keith Ellison, you know that Tim Vault, they were all very aware of what was going on and maybe even steering some of that money because they were getting political donations out of it and votes out of it. By the way, did you see that Hillary Clinton did not show up to testify before Congress today? So now she, she and Billy and Willie. Do you, do you think that Jim Comer and Republicans have the stones to have them spend a little time in the stony lonesome?

[Aaron Von Natta]

I don't, unfortunately.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah. Ridiculous. They were willing to throw Donald Trump in jail. They wouldn't have thought twice about throwing Donald Trump in jail for 700 years.

[Aaron Von Natta]

No, I mean, to be fair, a lot of that does lay at the feet of the Justice Department, which obviously they have a lot going on. But I kind of thought that there would have been more actions taken against people like Clinton, Clinton and Comey. And I don't know, it just seems that that's sort of stalled or we haven't really seen much movement.

[Rob Carson]

Well, I saw this morning that Donald Trump, this was on the Newsmax X account that Trump is very frustrated by the DOJ and not having people indicted. You know, and the bleep's got to happen, girl, because we waited a long damn time for this and we want, we want. You call it retribution. I don't even care. It's called accountability and it's got to happen. What else are you working on, Aaron.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Von that well, we, our substack has been doing great. You can sign up for the Daily Caller substack. We have bunch of newsletters. I'm probably going to start writing there soon, editing. So definitely go on our sub stack. We recently just had our White House correspondent just reported today, Reagan Reese, that Trump is freezing all immigration from Somalia amid the fraud scandal. So, yeah, definitely go on our site, our substack. Sign up if you want to see my work and also the work of our reporters because, I mean, our motto is rebels in the Swamp.

[Rob Carson]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Did you, by the way, did you move? I thought you were going to move to Idaho or something. Did you move?

[Aaron Von Natta]

I did, yeah. No, Idaho right now it's kind of cloudy, but usually I have a view of the mountains.

[Rob Carson]

Well, yeah, it's still a little crazy out there, but there are parts of Idaho that, I mean, it's a beautiful state. It's an absolute beautiful state.

[Aaron Von Natta]

So, yeah.

[Rob Carson]

All right. Well, Aaron, so good to talk to you. If you're ever in the swamp, the studio is going to be up and running. We're going to be doing some live interviews here in the studio. You'd be more than welcome, but you always do great work. You are on Twitter @Evan Nada E V A N N A T T A 1776. Anywhere else?

[Aaron Von Natta]

That and our website. Yeah.

[Rob Carson]

Okay. All right, Daily Caller, thank you for being on the show today. God bless. Have a glorious rest of your week.

[Aaron Von Natta]

Okay, you too, Rob. Thanks so much. Bye.

[Rob Carson]

You. Let's take a break and come back. This is the Rob Carson Show. This is not an ev and it never will be. Ford had a huge year last year. So did GM because these EV mandates were a joke. And the EVs, these are for posers. Yeah. And I only say that for people who buy EV pickups. You're a poser. You're a poser if you don't know how to use the bed of that truck. If you do know how to use the bed of the truck, you'd never get an ev. So you know an EV pickup truck if you're going to Whole Foods, I guess. But otherwise, you're just a poser. But anyway, Ford's kicking them out. They need 5,000 employees to get on they make six figures building trucks and they do. And unfortunately a lot of people with worthless degrees can't do. So Ford is looking for jobs among others. By the way, gold at 4,611 today per ounce. $4,600 an ounce, up $2,000 from last year. Silver's over 90 bucks today. Silver's over ninety bucks today. What's doing it? Well, Jerome Powell being investigated. What's going on in Iran, what's going around the world. The dollar's weaker, all of these things. It's making metals more precious. Central banks are buying gold. Gold always has value. It always does. It always has been precious. It's called a precious metal for God's sake. Is bitcoin called precious? No. Unless it's like I want the precious. Yeah, honestly, gold is precious. If you're a first time gold buyer. Birch Gold offering a rebate up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. To claim eligibility and start the process again, text my name, Rob to 989-898. Everybody's got a gold company. Every podcaster's got a gold company. Joe blows gold or Goldie Hans gold or whatever you. No, no, no, no. Birch gold. A plus rating from the bbb. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of five star ratings everywhere, including me because they got that. My money. Text Rob to 989-898 before it's too late. Will ya? Will you do that? Will you just do that? Here's Tony Du Capella of cbs. Different than CBS has been in a long time.

[Scott Bessmonden]

We are not even two weeks now into the new year and it feels like a decade has passed. The US captured Venezuela's former president Nicolas Maduro. Reports are that as many as 12,000 protesters have been killed by Iran's government as Trump weighs intervention. Anti ICE protesters have taken to the streets of Minneapolis after the shooting death of Renee Nicole Goode. And tonight we walked into not one but two exclusive news making conversations. The CEO of General Motors on the future of American made cars and the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump on the questions that matter most. You may not agree with everything you hear on this broadcast but we trust you to listen and we trust you to decide for yourself.

[Rob Carson]

Yeah, unlike Rachel Madcal who used to when Donald Trump had a press conference fade out of it and say, well, he's got a lie anyway so we're not going to put it on. Cuz I'm your mom. I'm your. I'm your lesbian mother. I don't know, whatever. I got some more on the other side because CBS in the Morning with Gayle King is completely partisan, still completely partisan. Judge Jeanine talks about Jerome Powell and why Jerome Powell is in hot agua, among other things. And Adam Gillette from Accuracy and Media next hour. He's always fun. The third hour of the show is right ahead. Don't go anywhere.

[Aaron Von Natta]

It.