The Rob Carson Show
Episode: When Sanctuary Cities Meet ‘Sanctuary No More’
Date: January 14, 2026
Host: Rob Carson
Guests: Erin Von Natta (Daily Caller), Scott Bessmonden, Donald Trump (clips), others
Overview: Main Theme and Purpose
This episode of The Rob Carson Show takes a sharp, irreverently comedic look at the latest clash between federal immigration policy and so-called “sanctuary cities.” Focus centers around former President Donald Trump’s announcement to suspend federal payments to “blue sanctuary cities” and states, recent federal and state-level fraud scandals involving social services (especially in Minnesota), and the political firestorm arising from the ICE agent-involved shooting of Renee Nicole Goode. Rob and guests analyze the fallout, the fraud, and the breakdown between the left’s sanctuary ideology and federal enforcement, all in Rob’s signature boisterous, sarcastic style.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Trump’s Sanctuary Cities Crackdown ([00:22]–[02:27])
- Trump is enforcing a new policy: starting Feb 1, all federal payments to sanctuary cities/states will be suspended.
- Trump (01:00): “No country can afford to take in millions of people, pay for their education, their healthcare, their hospitals. You just can't do it … But many of those people are murderers.”
- Trump frames this as a matter of protecting American citizens and combating criminality and fraud.
- Trump (02:04): “We’re not making any payment to anybody that supports sanctuary.”
- Rob reacts approvingly, emphasizing the contrast between government support for undocumented migrants versus struggling American citizens.
- Rob (01:28): “Where was the heart for the American people when they suffered?”
2. Republican Response & Push for Tightened Social Benefits ([04:35]–[05:18])
- GOP leaders are advancing a reconciliation bill to exclude undocumented immigrants from all government benefits, reform federal funding to only count citizens, and crack down on fraud.
- Scott Bessmonden (04:48): “It prevents illegal immigrants from obtaining all government handouts, cracks down on rampant fraud … and reforms funding so only citizens count when we’re doling out federal funds.”
- Rob: If Democrats try to block this, it will be “a losing political message,” referring to calls to abolish ICE as politically “lethal.”
3. Massive Fraud in Social Services – Minnesota Case Study ([05:18]–[08:19])
- Discussion of widespread fraud in Minnesota: Somali-run daycare centers, interpreter scams, transportation kickbacks, and fraudulent nonprofits.
- Nick Shirle (as recounted by Scott, 06:05): “When a Somali goes to the doctor, magically, they forgot how to speak English. So they need an interpreter there. $100 an hour, minimum, eight hours … millions and millions, hundreds of millions of dollars all on its own.”
- Rob: “The abuses and usurpations of us are much greater than… the founders experienced. And now I know.”
- Calls for criminal prosecution and accountability for the fraudsters and complicit politicians (e.g., Ilhan Omar).
- Trump (08:54): “We intend to imprison any fraudster, politician or public official involved in these sick plots to loot and pillage our country.”
4. Ilhan Omar & Local Political Fallout ([09:26]–[10:53])
- Rob and guests directly link Minnesota’s politicians (Ilhan Omar, Tim Walz, Keith Ellison) to the fraud but acknowledge little has been done to hold them accountable.
- Notable moment: Von Natta confronts Omar about fraud allegations; Omar deflects, prompting Rob to comment sarcastically.
- Aaron Von Natta (11:03): “Are you at all worried about a formal investigation that could perhaps lead to your deportation?”
- Omar (paraphrased): Appears unconcerned, dismisses the significance.
- Rob (11:09): “You should be.”
5. ICE Agent Shooting of Renee Nicole Goode ([15:02]–[17:15])
- Video surfaces showing Goode using her vehicle to block, then allegedly attempt to run over, a federal agent. The shooting narrative is hotly contested, with Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey defending Goode and Trump backers asserting justification.
- Rob (15:50): “This jackass [Jacob Frey] has destroyed Minneapolis. The city is a craphole. … Now it is Mogadishu for God’s sake.”
- Reference to protesters interfering with federal law enforcement and the legal consequences of impeding federal agents.
- Bessmonden (16:20): “You are aware that 18 US code 111 makes it a federal crime to impede … officers.”
6. Media Coverage and Shifting Narratives ([17:31]–[18:48], [27:17]–[27:54])
- Comparison between Obama-era ICE enforcement and current controversies; Rob contends that Democrats are now hypocritically hostile to enforcement they once supported.
- CBS News and other mainstream outlets are making a rhetorical “pivot” towards more balanced or even Trump-friendly coverage, possibly too late to repair their standing.
- Rob (27:54): “One other percent. … CBS News has really pivoted ... but it’s still a giant corporation.”
7. The “Woke” Culture War & Supreme Court Transgender Rights Debate ([20:54]–[25:15])
- Rob and Von Natta mock the ambiguity and perceived absurdity of current legal arguments around gender definitions at the Supreme Court.
- Rob (21:31): [Sarcastic rant about the inability to define “man” or “woman”]
- Von Natta (23:12): “It’s kind of mind boggling, honestly, when you’re listening to these… When she [Ketanji Brown Jackson] was nominated, she said she couldn’t answer what a woman was because she wasn’t a biologist.”
- Trend cited: Even Hollywood figures are distancing themselves from “woke” orthodoxy as it becomes less culturally popular.
8. Women in Modern Liberal Movements (“Karen” Phenomenon & “Dark Woke”) ([31:23]–[33:48])
- The show riffs on the explosion of white liberal women in progressive activism, comparing the social dynamics to historical witch hunts.
- Rob (31:23, 33:05): “This will be a moment in time. We remember when white liberal women went freaking nuts … like the Salem witch trials.”
- Von Natta (32:29): “People on the left and some on the right are referring to this phenomenon as Dark Woke.”
9. Outlook for Justice, Accountability, and Political Change ([34:27]–[36:23])
- Both Rob and Von Natta express skepticism that established Democrat figures (Clinton, Comey, etc.) will be prosecuted — despite hopes for increased accountability with the Trump return.
- Rob (36:03): “Trump is very frustrated by the DOJ and not having people indicted. … You call it retribution, I don’t even care. It’s called accountability and it’s got to happen.”
- Von Natta (35:33): “I don’t, unfortunately [think there will be prosecutions].”
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- Rob Carson (01:28): “Where was the heart for the American people when they suffered? … while you scraped and worked three jobs.”
- Donald Trump (02:04): “We’re not making any payment to anybody that supports sanctuary.”
- Scott Bessmonden (04:48): “Now this is our moment to flip the script, restore balance for the American people and put power back in your hands. Not bureaucrats, foreign nationals.”
- Nick Shirle, via Scott (06:05): “When a Somali goes to the doctor, magically, they forgot how to speak English … $100 an hour … millions and millions, hundreds of millions of dollars all on its own.”
- Donald Trump (08:54): “We intend to imprison any fraudster, politician or public official involved in these sick plots to loot and pillage our country.”
- Rob Carson (15:50): “This jackass [Mayor Frey] has destroyed Minneapolis … Now it is Mogadishu for God’s sake.”
- Aaron Von Natta (23:12): “It’s kind of mind boggling, honestly, when you’re listening to these [Supreme Court arguments] … she said she couldn’t answer what a woman was because she wasn’t a biologist.”
- Rob Carson (31:23): “This will be a moment in time. We remember when white liberal women went freaking nuts. … That’s your Democrat party.”
- Rob Carson (36:03): “Trump is very frustrated by the DOJ and not having people indicted. … You call it retribution, I don’t even care. It’s called accountability and it’s got to happen.”
Timestamps for Important Segments
| Time | Topic | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | [00:22] | Opening, Trump’s sanctions on sanctuary cities | | [01:28] | American citizens vs. government benefits for illegals | | [04:35] | Scott Bessmonden: GOP reconciliation bill, handout reform | | [05:18] | Minnesota Somali fraud breakdown | | [08:54] | Trump on imprisoning fraudulent officials (Ilhan Omar) | | [11:03] | Von Natta confronts Omar on fraud allegations | | [15:02] | Renee Nicole Goode shooting, video evidence discussed | | [21:06] | Supreme Court gender definition debate, Von Natta joins | | [31:23] | Cultural discussion: white liberal women & activism | | [34:27] | Fraud exposure, accountability, and GOP prospects | | [36:03] | Trump’s frustration at lack of prosecutions |
Guest Segment: Erin Von Natta (Daily Caller) ([22:02], [25:15], [34:27])
- Comments on the Supreme Court, the trajectory of “woke” issues, and her reporting on fraud both in the US and Somalia.
- Von Natta (34:27): “It’s wild when you look at the extent of this. One of our reporters actually talked to a lawmaker in Somalia about how entrenched the fraud pipeline is … a lot of this is affecting US taxpayers.”
- Promotes the Daily Caller’s substack, and teases upcoming exclusive reporting (36:23).
Tone and Style
Rob Carson’s show is raucous, hyperbolic, and snarky, blending serious concerns about fraud, immigration, and cultural change with irreverent humor, strong partisanship, and plenty of jabs at progressive figures and mainstream media. The episode moves rapidly between political critique, conspiracy theory, conservative cultural commentary, and comedic asides, supported by direct soundbites from Trump and recurring banter with guests.
For New Listeners
This episode provides a vivid, unapologetically conservative critique of U.S. immigration policy, sanctuary cities, and the intersection of social fraud, local politics, and national media. It’s packed with pointed commentary, behind-the-scenes claims about political accountability, and a heavy dose of cultural analysis—and doesn’t shy away from rhetorical fire. If you want a window into the right-populist media world’s framing of 2026’s political crises, this episode delivers.