AOC Accidentally Reveals How Dumb She Is - Dr. Drew & Dave Rubin's Reaction Is Perfect

Summary

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The Rubin Report – May 13, 2026

Episode: “AOC Accidentally Reveals How Dumb She Is - Dr. Drew & Dave Rubin's Reaction Is Perfect”

Host: Dr. Drew Pinsky (guest-hosting)
Guest: Dave Rubin
Theme: Reacting to AOC’s comments on billionaires, reflections on California and Florida politics, and the value of common sense in governance.

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Episode Overview

In this wide-ranging podcast conversation, Dr. Drew Pinsky welcomes Dave Rubin to discuss their upcoming live event in Miami, the shifting landscape of American cities, why people are leaving states like California and New York, and responses to controversial statements by political figures—especially Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s recent remarks about billionaires. The episode mixes personal anecdotes, critiques of current governance, and commentary on the state of free speech and reason in modern political discourse.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Actual Friends, Collaboration, and Therapy for Creators [01:25–03:31]

• Background on the Group:
  Rubin and Dr. Drew reflect on their close collaboration with fellow creators like Jillian Michaels and Sage Steele, citing how their “Actual Friends” discussions provide not just content but emotional venting and peer support.
  • “The other name of the show could have been creator therapy or something like that because it feels like we’re just venting… exercising or excising some demons.” – Dr. Drew (02:19)
• Intention Behind Collaborations:
  Rubin notes the value of friendly disagreements and open conversations beyond just politics, where real ambivalence and nuance around issues (like with Megyn Kelly) are welcomed.

2. Moderation vs. Political Extremes [03:18–03:31]

• Classical Liberalism:
  Both hosts push back against being labeled as “right-wing maniacs,” advocating for “classical liberalism” rooted in individual rights and limited government as foundational to American prosperity.
  • “Most people are classically liberal. Most people believe in individual rights and laissez faire economics…” – Dr. Drew (03:31)

3. The 'Free State' of Florida vs. California Exodus [04:08–05:10; 07:31–09:51]

• Celebrating Ron DeSantis & Florida:
  Rubin previews their upcoming event in Miami, intended to highlight Ron DeSantis's achievements and contrast them with California's decline.
  • “The whole idea of the show is to celebrate what this guy has done in the free state of Florida.” – Dr. Drew (04:19)
  • Personal stories about frequenting events, meeting DeSantis, and connecting with other public figures.
• California’s Decline & Personal Exodus:
  Rubin recounts his initial love for LA, its subsequent decline post-COVID, fighting for the Newsom recall, and then deciding to leave for Florida:
  • “I lived here for eight years... six years of it were great... and then the day Covid started, I knew it on day one.” – Dave Rubin (08:27)
  • The “new normal” propaganda and early insight into long-term changes in LA, leading to his eventual move with his entire staff.

4. Free Speech, Envy, and AOC’s Billionaire Comments [13:55–15:41]

• The Nature of Wealth & Envy:
  • The group discusses having personal relationships with billionaires and disputes narratives that all immense wealth is exploitative.
    • “The idea that someone has so you don’t have is also really, really dangerous. You’re a French Revolution guy. Like you know what that leads to.” – Dr. Drew (14:34)
  • On AOC’s recent viral statement:
    • “Somebody should have said to her. So explain to me, Ms. AOC. So Oprah didn’t earn it?... There are a million black billionaires... they didn’t earn it?” – Dave Rubin (14:13)
    • Both hosts highlight AOC's "lack of understanding of economics" as profoundly revealing.

5. Government Effectiveness and Utopian Thinking [15:42–17:57]

• Skepticism of Big Government:
  Discussion of the left’s belief in government solutions, citing historical and recent failures, and the allure of utopian ideals among younger generations.
  • “It’s a confusion that particularly young people have. They have a utopian view of the world.... And the irony is, you know, they'll run around… 'we’re fighting fascists in government.'” – Dr. Drew (16:55)
  • Liberty, skepticism of government power, and the pitfalls of progressive centralization are major themes.

6. Spencer Pratt, Mayoral/Gubernatorial Politics, and the Overton Window [18:03–26:19]

• The Rise of Spencer Pratt in LA Politics:
  Spencer Pratt is lauded as a possible mayoral candidate embodying practical solutions (“no more lying on the sidewalk”), not ideology:
  • “He’s the angry, righteous, indignation guy. And that’s what this town needs.” – Dr. Drew (19:10)
  • Contrast with entrenched politicians like Karen Bass and Nithya Raman who are criticized for policies that exacerbate homelessness and crime.
• Governing vs. Representing:
  • Rubin laments the shift from actual governance to “representing,” often at the expense of tangible outcomes for citizens.
    • “People are not interested in governing anymore. They're interested in representing.” – Dave Rubin (23:15)
• Challenges for Business Leaders in Politics:
  • Discussion of Rick Caruso’s failed mayoral bid, public distrust of business success, and political hesitancy due to perceived inevitable attacks.

7. Wealth Flight, Cities’ Futures, and the Lessons of History [26:19–27:26]

• The Exodus of Wealth & Opportunities Lost:
  Dr. Drew and Rubin recount Ken Griffin’s move to Miami and AOC’s blocking of Amazon in NYC as case studies in driving away opportunity.
  • “AOC did the same thing with Amazon. Long Island City could have been a massive center of economic growth.” – Rubin (26:54)
• Warnings on Urban Decline:
  The city decline is described in “slow, then quick” fashion, referencing Hemingway’s phrasing and historic reversals.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the “New Normal” in LA
  “On day 15…a commercial comes on for the new normal...this thing had been produced. So how—when was this produced?…That’s when I was like, this is not going to work.” – Dave Rubin (08:42)

• On Envy and the Demonization of Wealth
  “It’s so full of a word we were talking about right before the livestream started. Envy.” – Dr. Drew (14:34)

• On Governing vs. Representing
  “People are not interested in governing anymore. They're interested in representing. And representing is...non-governance.” – Dave Rubin (23:15)

• On Urban Decline and Hemingway
  “Most famous rendition of that is…one of Hemingway's characters went bankrupt…he goes, ‘well, first it was slow, then it was fast.’” – Dave Rubin (22:14)

• On Spencer Pratt’s Appeal
  “No more lying on the sidewalk. That’s it…If you’re so sick that you lie down on the sidewalk and stay there, we’re gonna put you somewhere. We're gonna help you...What is wrong with that?” – Dave Rubin (20:30)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:25 – Live events & the “Actual Friends” creator community
• 03:18 – Moderation, classical liberalism, and political labeling
• 04:08 – Florida event and why celebrate DeSantis
• 07:31 – Press tour in LA; the changing atmosphere post-COVID
• 08:42 – Early signs of LA’s decline and the “new normal” narrative
• 13:55 – The wealth debate: critiques of AOC and defending billionaire entrepreneurship
• 15:41 – Dangers of economic ignorance; government spending
• 16:55 – Critique of utopian government thinking among the young
• 18:03 – Spencer Pratt, homelessness, and Overton window shifts
• 20:30 – Homelessness policy: “no more lying on the sidewalk”
• 23:15 – Representing vs. governing—trends in politics
• 26:19 – Wealth flight: Ken Griffin & AOC blocking Amazon
• 27:26 – Episode wrap-up and coming attractions

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Tone & Style

• Candid, direct, and conversational with moments of humor, frustration, and reflection.
• Blunt critiques of government failures, progressivism, and “political correctness.”
• Personal, anecdotal, and informal—frequent referencing of shared experiences and mutual friends.
• The tone remains skeptical of government overreach and passionate about freedom, pragmatism, and common sense.

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This detailed summary captures the spirit, arguments, and memorable exchanges from Dr. Drew and Dave Rubin in this episode, serving listeners seeking in-depth content without political spin or the need to wade through ads and introductions.

Transcript

[Dave Rubin]

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[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

to be a parent, I immediately felt

[Dave Rubin]

a lot of anxiety and worry. So I went on to BetterHelp to

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

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[Dave Rubin]

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[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

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[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

LA right now doing a bunch of media hits. So instead of a normal Rubin report today we've got my chat with Dr. Drew on his show. We'll be doing the same thing with my friend Adam Carolla tomorrow. And quick reminder, join me June 11th in Miami daverebin.com Events Rubin DeSantis, Carolla Shapiro, Jillian Michaels and more. Enjoy.

[Dave Rubin]

Please welcome Dave Rubin in studio with us. We coast coerced him back to California. Find him on YouTube @RubenReport X Rubin Report Instagram it's still Rubin report. Ruben reported everywhere. But you're here to talk about an event in Florida that I wish the hell I could be a part of.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I tried to get you on before I tell the kind of a list people we got on this thing. You got the first call. You and my actual friends. You, Sage and Jillian got the first call.

[Dave Rubin]

First of all. Also mention actual friends. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Thank you for including me in actual friends that have been nothing but a pleasure. Top to bottom. It's been great spending time with you, which I always have enjoyed. But to get to know Sage and Jillian better has been really a pleasure.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I. I love. Well it goes both ways. I mean I thank you for doing it and I love doing the show. I love doing the show. You know, all of us, even though we're having some discussions about it now, we've been doing it for about a year. We've been all been doing it for free.

[Dave Rubin]

Has it been a year?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah. It's been about a year ago, which is crazy.

[Dave Rubin]

Crazy.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And I always say to you when we, when we end the. The stre. We're still on for just a second. I always say to you that the other name of the show could have been creator therapy or something like that because it feels like we're just venting about all of the, you know, there's all the issues that we deal with during the day, but then there's how we have to deal with the interpersonal relationships. And sometimes, for example, on the show this past week, you know, we were talking about Megyn Kelly, who we all know to some degree or another. And do you want to talk about friends or former friends? So to vent about some of that stuff.

[Dave Rubin]

And what I liked about that particular conversation is some of us are ambivalent. We like Megan, we don't like how she treated you. We understand how you're feeling. So it's just a really, a friendly conversation.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And that, that was what I wanted to do. The last thing that I would want to do is just another political show or just another purely culture war thing. I wanted to do something that I. That I felt would allow people to see us a little bit differently and kind of just get us to exercise or excise some demons. And I think, I think it's working nice.

[Dave Rubin]

I hope so. The other thing is, I think you invited some people that are mostly moderate in a lot of areas.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, yeah, I mean, I don't care. Because even though I'm thought of as a right wing maniac, which is hilarious.

[Dave Rubin]

No, I think of you as moderate too. Yeah.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Because we come from a similar line of thinking. Most classical liberalism. That's what I was gonna say. Most people are classically liberal. Most people believe in individual rights and laissez faire economics and get the government off your back. And that's what the founders of this country believed in. That's what all the enlightenment thinkers really came around to. That led to, you know, 350 plus years of unbeliev believable human flourishing that we seem to be on the precipice of reversing. But in any event, I did want you at this Florida thing. Jillian will be there, but it's going to be. We're going to do a live Reuben report that day. So we're going to write the show that morning. It will. That will be our show for the day.

[Dave Rubin]

Right.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Which is what we do when I go on the road. We did Australia, a bunch of shows out there that morning. We write it it's the only. And I don't do a rehearsal. It's just get up there and let's see what happens. And of course Ron DeSantis is going to be there and I really, the whole idea of the show is to celebrate what this guy has done in, in the free state of Florida. Yeah. Because you know he's coming up on the ending of his two terms. We don't have to do the whole how great Florida thing is. Everyone gets it. And I wanted people to see him in a different light. You know, I've gotten to know him in a way that people don't. I, I've been to dinner, you know, private dinners with him where he kicks his feet up on the table after and has a whiskey and has a cigar and talks baseball.

[Dave Rubin]

And I met his wife too. Really, truly, truly a caring person. Not somebody who has to care to make herself feel good. She just looks at, goes that's we

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

gotta do better and gone through her own health journey and all of this stuff. And I, I just wanted people to celebrate that a little bit. And then have you heard of this guy, Adam Corolla? I think maybe he's gonna be there. Yeah, well, I couldn't get Drew, could not get the Drew.

[Dave Rubin]

I just left him like an hour ago. We'll be at the F1 in Monte Carlo.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Being in Monte Carlo was going to be better than being with Dave Rubin and Ron DeSantis. So, so we're gonna set that up a while ago.

[Dave Rubin]

So Corolla's gonna be fair.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Corolla's gonna open up with some stand up, he's gonna warm up the crowd. Then, then I'll do. Then we're gonna have Ben Shapiro and Jillian Michaels, which I thought what a, what a wacky duo. That is so fast. And you know, Jillian is sort of, she talks in sort of these like rhythmic. So we'll do a little debate with them. There's going to be tequila and we're going to do giveaways and Q and A and all the stuff and I just.

[Dave Rubin]

How do you. Where is it? How do we go?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Dave rubin.com events it's at the Fillmore in Miami Beach. Film was a great theater which if you saw Bill Maher's last HBO special, it was at the Fillmore. I did the film where years ago with Jordan Peterson. Beautiful theater. And it's going to be, you know, it's like a couple thousand people and it's going to be friendly, fun night. And, and as I always tell people, if you get the, the meet and greet tickets. You are allowed to hug me for one second, but if you are with someone else and they are willing to forego their hug, you can do the two second. Because what I find is married women really want to hug me. The husband's not that interested in hugging me. Single guys don't want to hug me. But if there's a married couple, the woman always wants that extra hug. And the husbands are usually married woman

[Dave Rubin]

here, maybe she can explain that. Susan, can you explain that she gave

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

me a rather generous hug when I walked in?

[Dave Rubin]

Of course I did. Why do married women want to hug Dave Rubin? You know, because, yeah, he's sweet and loving and. Yeah, you're nice. Speaking of nice, Carl's got a great, nice stand up routine.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yes. Which you hear. You know, Trump is trying to steal it now.

[Dave Rubin]

Oh, it's fantastic.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah. Wait, I think you were the one that showed it to me first. You're talking about, with him talking about how ICE should be nice, right?

[Dave Rubin]

It should be the National Immigration Service.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, did you hear that? Trump is now using that. And then.

[Dave Rubin]

But he, Trump does. If it makes sense, he'll do it. So it makes perfect sense. So why not?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

So I. So Trump then used the joke that we should call it nice.

[Dave Rubin]

I hate nice.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And then Tom Holman was on a TV show a couple of days ago and they were asking him about it and he's like, well, Trump came up with nice. And I was like, that was Corolla. Drew sent me the thing.

[Dave Rubin]

You know, Carolla and Trump have a relationship. So I'm sure he can notify him, like, hey, sure. To give me a couple of nods.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

As Tucker Carlson once said before he went completely bananas in this biz, you just steal. You don't give credit. I've never felt that way. But you know, certain set of people.

[Dave Rubin]

How did we manage to get you in California and how has it been?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

How did you get me here? Well, I'm doing press for the, for the big show that we're doing on June 11th. Dave rubin.com evento Just I was with Billy Bush this morning. And you. And I'm going, I'm heading to Larry Elder right after this, which is great. I'm doing this jubilee show tomorrow, which I was telling you a little bit about before. It's this huge YouTube channel where I'm going to sit in this. In the middle of a circle. No, it's not live streamed, but I sit. And so it's me like sort of MAGA guy versus 20 far lefties. And I bring up the topic and then they get to run in and challenge me and debate me. So that'll. That'll be interesting, to say the least. Yeah. And. Yeah, and then a bunch of other. Bunch of other hits. And, you know, I lived here for eight years, and as I always tell everybody, six years of it were great. I mean, that's when we became friends and we used to host great dinners and met so many cool people. And there was something great about LA at that time. And then the day Covid started. I knew it. I just knew it on day one.

[Dave Rubin]

You did?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

It took me about a year to really wake up to what was going on.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I just could feel it on day one. But the. This sounds ridiculous, but this is true. It was on day 15 when I really knew it. So I knew from day one. I knew. I just.

[Dave Rubin]

After two weeks to bend the curve.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But. But you know why? Because we're watch. I kid you not, you're going to say this is crazy, but this is true. On day 15, after two weeks to flatten the curve, we were watching the Golden Girls on TV Land, okay? And it has commercials, old school cable commercials. And suddenly we're watching the Golden Girls, as we did every Sunday. And then a commercial comes on for the new normal. And I thought, wait a minute, wait a minute. I know how this business operates. You can't just make a commercial overnight. This thing was in the can. This thing had been produced. So how. When was this produced that you're telling me on day 15, after it was supposed to be two weeks to slow the spread, that I'm seeing commercials for the new normal. Don't shake hands anymore. And, but. And that's when I was like, this is not going to work. You know, we tried to stay. I fought very hard, you know, you know, I fought for the recall of Gavin Newsom. I ended up campaigning with Larry Elder. I mean, what a. What a cool evolution.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

The guy who wakes me up years before I end up campaigning with him to get rid of Newsom. Obviously, that didn't work out. And then after the recall election, I just said, I'm leaving. And I took two companies out. I didn't know if any of my employees were going to come with me. Every single person came with me, and most of them are still with me.

[Dave Rubin]

And we sit in envy, and you're

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

here and we're here.

[Dave Rubin]

But Spencer Prouder, we're going to talk about after the break, articulated something that I have been saying, which is it's Worth fighting for. I've been here my whole life. It's worth fighting for. I don't like having to fight for it. I don't like what's going on. Orange county is still. You can still live a life in Orange County. Yeah, until my sons are down there. And in the meantime, let's see if we can.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Listen, I'm not saying it's not worth fighting for. Everything. Everything good. New York. I spent 20 years of my life in New York and New York City worth fighting for. You know, it's a matter of what you can do at a certain point in your life. And I fought very hard during those Covid years. And I had that crazy debate with Gloria Allred, and they wouldn't even let me into the Fox studio to debate her about COVID And on air, the, like, most famous civil rights attorney in America asked me if I was vaxxed. I mean, how insane everything went. And then the Newsom thing happened. I just couldn't take it. I just could not take it.

[Dave Rubin]

I can barely take it.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Right? No. So. So I think sometimes it's worth fighting, fighting for something. Thing that's not working. And then what I've realized in Florida is I'm fighting for something that's working and I want to keep strengthening it. And those are just different things that you do at different points in your life. But the key thing is that you mock your friends who stay.

[Dave Rubin]

And as Corolla has been saying forever, now that it's. We're going to devolve into safe spaces and octagons. Safe space. And you're the. You're the octagon. And it's working. All right, we'll take a quick break. We're gonna talk about Spencer Pratt. Dave's got to get out of here. About 10 minutes. You're right back. Let's talk a little mayoral candidacy and maybe even some gubernatorial candidates.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

We bought you a little extra time here, Drew.

[Dave Rubin]

I appreciate it. I really do. Whatever. Whenever I get some more time with you and I, you know, one of my sentinel events was having dinner in Beverly Hills with everybody and meeting Sage Steel and then watching Corolla spit up, split up baked potato with.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

With David Sacks.

[Dave Rubin]

David Sacks.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I offer billionaire people. I bring you to a private room. I'll pay for everything. And I've Corolla splitting a potato with the billionaire.

[Dave Rubin]

There's a reason Corolla is crawling and the billionaire is a billionaire.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

You know what I mean?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It does actually make perfect sense. And actually that was the. That was the last time that I saw Dennis Prager in person before he took his spill. Dennis, you asked me about him off camera the other day. But he, he is getting better for sure. And they've moved him to Florida. But you know, he has basically no movement below the neck right now, but his mind is there and he's, he's

[Dave Rubin]

Dennis and he keeps attitude. Yeah.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

When I tell, when I tell you that when we went in to sit with him, closer than you and I are right now. So, you know, really getting close to him, smiling endlessly. There was. I did not feel sad in any way, which that is a testament to him, not a testament to me. His spirit is just incredible. And hopefully, hopefully some of these treatments they're they're doing will still help.

[Dave Rubin]

There's happiness research out there on people with spinal cord injuries and they usually end up back at their baseline. So that's where his baseline was. That's him.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

You know what I mean?

[Dave Rubin]

You know, which is weird. I can't imagine being A guy's written

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

a gajillion books, several on happiness. So it does kind of make sense. Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

You remind me of a quick story, I don't know if it's for real or not, but about Rockefeller. Apparently he had a driver who drive him to work every day and he would give him five dollar tip. Way to drop him off. And the son was also driven by the same guy and the son would give him a $20 tip every day. And after years of this, the driver finally went to the John D. Rockefeller and said, Rockefeller, we're old friends. I just am so curious about this. You're very generous. This is not a complaint. I'm just curious. You always give me $5 for my tip and your son always gives me 20. Explain that to me. And he said my son had a father with money.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Exactly, exactly.

[Dave Rubin]

So you know how. And that's back to Corolla and David Sachs. They Corolla came from impoverishment and still kind of lives that way. Can't stand waste. David Sacks got his money by being frugal, I'm sure, and managing budgets.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, you know what I've done. You mentioned locals before and David was one of our investors in Locals. That's kind of how we became friends originally. And I have to say there's such this endless assault that we see on billionaires now that they're just so. They fundamentally are evil or you saw the video this week of AOC saying you could never become a billionaire unless you.

[Dave Rubin]

That was the weird. Somebody should have said to her. So explain to me, Ms. AOC. So Oprah didn't earn it. What's his name that does the comedy shows, is now going to get all the late night slots. And what about. There are a million of black billionaires, whether it's LeBron James or Michael, Jack. Michael. You name them, they didn't earn it.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It's so. Well, it's not only profoundly ridiculous, but it's so full of a word we were talking about right before the live stream started. Envy. Envy, you know, so I've met some. So David is a good example. So I've met some of these people that have unimaginable wealth. It's actually unimaginable. And some of them are really. He happens to be really, really kind and a brilliant businessman who invested. I met him one time at a New Year's party for five minutes. We got on the call a few days later, I gave him the full pitch. He invested two or three days later and it opened up endless doors for us. And he always picked up the phone if I needed advice. You're telling me this guy doesn't. Doesn't deserve what he has earned? And the idea that someone has so you don't have is also really, really dangerous. You're a French, A French Revolution guy. Like you know what that leads to.

[Dave Rubin]

There is not a pie that gets divided up. There are people that can build things and grow our economy and grow jobs. Elon Musk. Unbelievable example that. But. But to me, the most disturbing thing of what she was saying was belieze exposes a lack of understanding of economics.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

So profound.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, it's because they just want more. It's. It's what? It's what Mom D's doing in New York. Give me the number, Zorhan. Give me the n. What is the number that you need to fix the problems? And he can't, which is why the guy said free buses. He gets in and within weeks, no free. But he announces no free buses. And now, now there's 20 other problems that he suddenly, magically has found. And it's like, guys, surprise, surprise, you're going to kick pick out everybody. We're getting them all, by the way. We're getting them all quite close to where I live in Florida, in Miami. We're getting all of these guys and they're all coming. And then you. What? You know what? I'm seeing it where in Miami right now. New restaurants everywhere, fixing roads everywhere. Houses being demolished and built up fast everywhere. Where would you rather be Listen, we've

[Dave Rubin]

heard both Cuomo and Hochul. Cuomo said, rich people are not bad. We need them and a coco. Come back, come back. You got to fund my stuff. What I'm so confused about by as you go further left is there's nothing the government does better or even well. So why. Why the enthusiasm for centralizing everything?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It's a confusion. It's a real confusion that particularly young people have. They have a utopian view of the world. You think, oh, if I. I'm smart enough now, we as humans have evolved enough. My grandparents old and had old ideas, and this time will be different. And if I just have the power and the irony is, you know, they'll run around even aoc now we're fighting fascists in the government. All right, let's pretend that's true, even though actually the Democrats are far closer. I don't have to do Covid with you, but the way they colluded government and big tech against the people, that's actually fascism.

[Dave Rubin]

That's it.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But it's a confusion, because if your argument is the government is bad, how about instead of giving the government more power or saying to the government, okay, take more, how about then starve the government? That at least the libertarians, who. I think, you know, I think they miss a lot of things about human nature when it comes to war and peace and things like that. At least their ultimate solution is you should have more skin in the game so I can at least get on board that the progressive view is. Is quite backwards.

[Dave Rubin]

It's. It's wild and it's been done and done and done, you know.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Indeed, it's happening right here.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, let's talk about Mayor Pratt.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yes.

[Dave Rubin]

What do you think? Is it possible.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

So in that I am not a Los Angeleno anymore. I'm not like, I can give you an. From an outsider's point of view, you need this guy. It almost, in some sense, it does not even matter what the rest of his beliefs are. I'm not fully aware of what. You know, he's running as a Republican. I know.

[Dave Rubin]

I don't think he knows. I think they're evolving as he sees problems.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I don't even think they matter.

[Dave Rubin]

Matter.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I think it's clear what he represents right now, which is basic common sense. As we talked about on Actual Friends last week, one thing that I really like is I like people who are sort of apolitical or not known for politics, that something happens that they become political, because then you realize supposedly matters.

[Dave Rubin]

Supposedly, that's what happened to Sarah Palin?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yes.

[Dave Rubin]

And that's why I was like, oh, good. This woman was sitting on the boards of a hockey game, and then all of a sudden went and became governor and took on big oil. I can sign up for that. That's. That's what this government's supposed to be about.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And whatever. We don't have to rehash everything about Sarah Palin, but there was a moment where she could have really.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Taken it. And maybe she got a little over her skis or whatever. She had.

[Dave Rubin]

Nothing happened.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

She had that. You know, that terrible interview where they asked you, what do you read? And, yeah, whatever. Spencer Pratt, to me, just represents right now. The angry, righteous, indignation guy. And that's what this town needs. You. He was not political. His house burned down. His parents house burned down. The neighbor across the street literally d in the fire was burned to death. And. And now he's pissed. And when you. When you look at him in stark contrast to these two ridiculous people. I. I am sorry. Karen Bass is a ridiculous person. And the one, the Zoran wannabe. What's her name? Rahman is the last name. She. She's absurd. Absurd. This. A woman who's fighting against having. They want to keep the drug addicts away from the schools, and she's trying to bring them closer.

[Dave Rubin]

Right.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It's endless with these people. And I hate to tell you, at some point. At some point, all the good people will flee, and then you end up in some kind of Philip K. Dick situation.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, the one thing I really admire that he did is he kicked open the Overton window. And he's said things that I've been saying for 15 years, but he said something very simple. They're talking about, should the homeless people be near the schools or should the homes cost $750,000 or $850,000? He goes, no, no more lying on the sidewalk. That's it.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

If you're so sick that you lie down on the sidewalk and stay there, we're gonna put you somewhere. We're gonna help you. We're gonna help you because you're too sick to lie on the sidewalk. You can't do that anymore. And if you're a drug addict, we're gonna get you some treatment. What is wrong with that? You're saving lives.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Drew, could your producer pull up? Oh, they have it up right now. So I took this picture this morning, Okay. I was walking in West Hollywood, and I saw this picture, and look, there is a homeless guy who likely is a drug Addict swastika message on it. The whole thing that's on Melrose, you know, High Melrose over there, where there's, you know, the Restoration Hardware, and it's a primo area of this town. We walked through West Hollywood this morning, where I used to live. It literally smells horrible everywhere. There are homeless people everywhere. You don't see people going to work. Joey, who's with me, kept saying to me, where is everyone? Why aren't people going to work? Where is everybody? Like, there's something fundamentally wrong here. And. And if. If. Okay, so if Pratt loses. If Pratt loses, okay, so kick it another four years. All right, how much worse will it be in four years? And four years and four years and four years and before. You know that, you know, things happen very slowly, and then they happen very quickly.

[Dave Rubin]

Yes.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And by the way, that's what's happening in New York City right now. I mean, it's getting. Now New York seems to be in a. An accelerated version of it, so the riots are getting a little bit worse. You know, the. This crazed Hamas people wandering through residential areas in Brooklyn to find Hasidic Jews. It's just put aside what you think about the Middle east or anything else. Societies can't function like that. They can't function when you allow drug addicts everywhere, and they can't function when you have people, quite literally dressed up as jihadis terrorizing people in their homes. I live in Florida.

[Dave Rubin]

I just want to quickly, as an aside, slowly then quickly, with most famous rendition of that is what is Hemingway? One of his characters went bankrupt, and the other character asked him, what was it like? How did. How did it go? And he goes, well, first it was slow, then it was fast.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah, but it makes sense, right? Like it really does. And so, look, I don't know if he can win. I don't know enough about the electorate anymore. I just don't know if there are enough sane people here anymore or anything else. But if you. I think you can objectively say, let's put it this way, if those. That debate that he was part of with those ridiculous people, if that had been aired 20 years ago. So 2000, 2006, almost everyone in America, regardless of politics, if you just remove that. He happens to be a Republican and they're Democrats, almost everyone in America would have been like, that guy seems sane.

[Dave Rubin]

He pragmatics, problem solving. Let's get. Let's get stuff done.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And most people would have said, these people seem deeply, deeply unqualified. Something like that. But. But something very Dangerous has happened over the last 20 years. So to say, what is going to happen with the election? I have no idea.

[Dave Rubin]

I think I said this on actual friends, that people are not interested in governing anymore. They're interested in representing.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yes.

[Dave Rubin]

And representing is the. It's non governance. It's not governing. You've not done anything. When you represent good, you got a place at the table. What have you done? You've. You know who's doing a lot of that these days is Governor Newsom's wife, Kroll. And I listen to our. Listen to our podcast tomorrow. Yeah, we're putting up. We took her words and took an AI instrument that lets us make it be Burt Reynolds saying the words. When you hear Burt Reynolds saying these crazy things. Astonishing.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Oh, that's funny.

[Dave Rubin]

I like that. It is. It is just word salad and just one shibboleth after another. And you're like, wow.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But. But look, the fact of the matter is the guy is still polling in the top three for the Democrats for president, no matter what he does. We. We've been through this. You and I have been through this a gajillion times. And, and, you know, the other part is, you know, you considered getting in the gubernatorial race a couple years ago.

[Dave Rubin]

I was like, Pratt during COVID Somebody's got to do something. I guess I have to do something.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

No, and I remember. And you, you came over, we started talking about a little bit, and then. And then I know you had some health stuff and didn't do it, but a good person like you doesn't. For the most part, people don't want to deal with all of the baggage it comes with. You know, they haven't tried to cross the table here.

[Dave Rubin]

She does not want to deal with.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But that's. But that's a. That's a perfectly rational, decent thought to have. Yep. My God, they're going to come for my family, they're going to come for my children, my finances, blah, blah, blah. Now they. In a weird way, they haven't. Unless I'm missing something, they haven't fully done that with Pratt yet. So I think it's possible that they're. You know, he still is doing. He's on his rocket ship right now. Right, Right. He's getting real high right now.

[Dave Rubin]

They could be.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Feels like maybe they're. They're just.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, he's. I think he frames something very well. He goes, we need adults right now. That's the Overton window stuff. And he goes, can you imagine? I'm the adult. That's the perfect frame because he is not known for being a good guy or an adult. So he's already put it out there like, I, I'm the adult. It's crazy.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But think about. Right, but that's what I'm saying. So think about it. Even though I get, again, I don't know that much about his other political beliefs.

[Dave Rubin]

Right.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Or if he even cared about any of this before two years ago. And yet he's, he's the best hope. So what does that tell you? You're just not going to get, you know, you know who would have been a great mayor is Rick Caruso. But they, but he did not win. So here you have a qualified businessman who dealt with fires before and his, his mall did not burn down because

[Dave Rubin]

they, because he prepared for climate change or whatever's causing these things.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Basically had the perfect guy with a pedigree that could have been mayor. Yeah, you didn't choose him. So, okay, the next guy that is basically like, hey, I've got the kind of similar. I'm a businessman, I've got money, I could do it. I want to save my community. But he's like, well, we saw what happened there, so we'll leave it to the reality star.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, I think that's. Again, this, we started this conversation. Talk about the lack of trust that's out there. And if somebody is successful in business, the presumption is they must be a cheater. They must be, you know something. And, and I kind of get it. But then you're gonna have to go with Pratt. I think you gotta do that. It was just because he was a Republican.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Did you, did you happen to see. Maybe your producer can grab it. About three or four days ago, I put up a tweet. It's a picture. I was driving down the highway in Florida and I drove past the Ken Griffin Cancer Research center at the University of Miami. I have never noticed that before. It's been there for a while. But Ken Griffin, of course, is the one that mom dummy stood in front of the, the PA to terror and said, 238 mil. This is the guy. And now Citadel is moving to Miami. They're debating whether they're going to keep any presence in New York. So again, you're, you're literally going, hey, here's the guy. Go to the house, burn it down, blah, blah, blah.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, AOC did the same thing with Amazon. Long Island City could have been a massive center of, of, of economic growth.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But my parents, my parents live in the same house that I grew up in, since they moved there in 1979. Still there now. And when Amazon was moving there, houses were selling like crazy because everybody was realizing there's all these new people coming in. So people that were kind of getting ready to sell suddenly were starting to sell. House prices went crazy. She kills the deal, they lose 21,000 jobs, house prices go down, and she's the good guy.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah. Dave Rubin, pleasure. Thank you for being here.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Can we do this? Oh, we're going to do this in Florida in about two weeks.

[Dave Rubin]

We'll do this every week.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

On Thursdays, we'll come back here every week. You guys are great. I enjoy, enjoyed the Celsius. I appreciate it.

[Dave Rubin]

You'll be back in Miami and we'll do actual friends. Yes.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But I will see you in Miami in a week or so.

[Dave Rubin]

Yes, exactly.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Excellent.

[Dave Rubin]

It's coming fast. All right, my friend, you've got to go down to stuff. Susan's going to drive you there and I will see you very soon.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Good to see you, my friend.

[Dave Rubin]

Being here,

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