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Bill Maher Reveals Details of Trump Meeting & He’s as Shocked as the ‘Real Time’ Crowd
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Dave Rubin
Turn down below. All right, guys. I'm Dave Rubin. This is the Reuben report. It is April 14, 2025. As always, we are live streaming on your computer and your mobile device at rumble, at YouTube and at locals. If you want to join us for the postgame show rubenreport.locals.com and I'm calling it right now. This is a 99 show. I feel sharp. I'm rested over the weekend. There's so much that I want to get to on this show today. I didn't even ask the guys what they think, what their prediction of the show is going to be. I usually do it somewhere. I'm going to usually get between a 9296. I'm calling a 99 today. Before we get to it, our shows last week on Thursday and Friday were pre taped and it was for good reason. I just want to catch you guys up on two kind of life and professional things. One of them, the first one's the life thing. So as you know, I busted up my knee a couple of weeks ago and a ton of you have asked me about what I was going to do. There were all sorts of tears in there and I decided to go the stem cell route. Tony Robbins, who's become a friend and I would say mentor in some sense connected me with, with really the STEM cell guy. Dr. Richie Striano and I went over to Naples on Thursday. I think we've got a couple images here. So that's me checking out. The doc is obviously looking inside and seeing where all the tears are. That's Dr. Striano right there. I was in a hyperbaric chamber after where they force oxygen into you for about an hour. I think we've got one of the, yeah, there's the, some of the imaging and you can see some of the tears. We brought the team there and I think maybe we have one more. One or two more. Yeah. I mean it was just, it was a full day there. There I'm getting, that's, I think that was me laying on my stomach as they're getting the stem cells out of my fat in the back. My, my back is kind of bruised right now. But in any event, it turned out I had a whole month. Oh. And there I am in the, in the hyperbaric chamber. And yes, I was watching Seinfeld while doing it. Anyway, it turned out I had like 10 or 15 tears in my knee. We injected all of them. I immediately felt like some kind of anti inflammatory burst where my knee started feeling a little bit better. Turns out we had him look at my shoulder too. I had a much bigger rip in my shoulder than I did in my, in my knee. So we did that as well. And I'm feeling, I'm feeling pretty good. It's going to take some time to heal, but he thinks I could be on the court in six. I brought the team there to not only take those pictures but to film it because so many people, I mean I saw your comments in locals and Twitter and everywhere else. People are super interested in alternative healing, the idea that you can heal yourself using stuff from your body. It was stem cells from my own fat as opposed to taking medicine or something synthetic or having surgery, et cetera, et cetera. So we're going to do a little mini doc on that. And then I had one of truly, this is one of the, this was personally and career wise one of the greatest moments I have ever had. On Friday in Fort Myers, we were in Naples and then jumped over to Fort Myers, just a few minutes away the next day and I interviewed my live a true, true living legend, 90 year old Frankie Valli of Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons. We got to sit down and chat about the old days and doing it 60 years after Sherry in 1962. And we talked about, he was really interested in, about my kids playing music and what do they do? Cause I showed him some videos of them dancing to some Frankie Valli songs and it was just, it was just an absolute joy and blast and you know, talking to someone who's 90 years old who's got so much stuff behind them and then still puts on a two hour show and then during the show we're almost there and then we'll start our show. I got the shout out in the middle of the show which was just so freaking cool. Frankie, come on, we can do better than that. Anyway, it was just, it was just one of those moments where it's I guess a long, strange ride that I've been on. But when you get to meet some people who've brought you so much joy and love and in this case music to your life and it was just, it was just really wonderful. And then of course, because Frankie does get a bit of an older crowd once he mentioned that I was there, pretty much everyone in the stadium knew me from Fox. So it was a lot of hellos. Okay, let's get cracking here. The big thing that happened over the last couple of days, it would, as it was announced about 10 days ago, but it happened on, I think, well, it was talked about finally On Friday nights, Real Time with Bill Maher. Bill Maher and Donald Trump met at the White House. And we have created a new bumper for our Mondays with MA because we always end up talking about Bill on Mondays because the show's on Friday. So we have a new Mondays with Maher bumper, and we're gonna roll right into him talking a bit about what it was like to meet Donald Trump.
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Bill Maher
As you know, 12 days ago, I had dinner with President Trump, a dinner that was set up by my friend Kid Rock, because we share a belief that there's gotta be something better than hurling insults from 3,000 miles away. And let me first say that to all the people who treated this like it was some kind of summit meeting, you're ridiculous. Okay, so meet up in person. Maybe it'll be different. Spoiler alert. It was first good sign. Before I left for the Capitol, I had my staff collect and print out this list of almost 60 different insulting epithets that the President has said about me. Things like, stupid, dummy, low life, dummy, sleazebag, sick, sad, stone cold crazy. Really a dumb guy, fired like a dog. His show is dead. I brought this to the White House because I wanted him to sign it, which he did. Which he did with good. And I know, as I say, that millions of liberal sphincters just tightened. Oh, my God, Bill, are you going to say something nice about him? What I'm going to do is report exactly what happened. You decide what you think about it, and if that's not enough pure Trump hate for you, I don't give a.
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Dave Rubin
Okay, so we're going to show you a couple more clips of it. And actually, nothing that happened surprised me at all. Because, as you know, I've been working on Bill publicly and privately on this stuff for years, and telling him if he just met the guy, it would be different. And actually, they have an awful lot in common. But first, I want to give Bill a huge amount of credit here. Look, going to meet the President. If anyone got a call, literally every single person watching this, everyone in this room, me, everybody, you get a call from the President, I'd like to meet you. Or somebody can make it happen so you can meet the President, you're going whether you hate the guy, love the guy, in between, whatever, of course you would go, right? If I got a call from virtually any world leader today and they were like, could you come meet? I would probably go. I would try to meet them. But certainly the President of the United States, even if I had problems with them, look, three weeks Before Biden left the Oval Office, I was fairly critical of him. If I got a call, would you like to meet President Biden? Of course. You go. That's one part. But I think the bigger part is what Bill referenced at the end about millions of people having their sphincters tighten up. His audience still largely has Trump derangement syndrome, partially because he has had Trump derangement syndrome. Right. So he can. It's great that Trump signed the 60 insults. Bill's thrown way more than 60 the other way. It's not, it's not about like sort of quantifying all of that. But the point is it is not easy for anyone that does what Bill does for a living as a public person that tells people their opinions or does what I do to do something that goes directly against their audience. The hope is that you will be as honest as you can be and as forthright as you can be, and your audience will appreciate that. But a lot of people don't. A lot of people get what you could call audience capture where they just kind of go where they think their audience is going. And that that's sort of what turns you into a hack over times. And for whatever anyone's frustrations might be with Bill, okay, he didn't vote for Trump last time and whatever. It's like the guy is, is the reverse of a hack. I mean, this is a guy who scolds his own audience in the middle of the show. So, okay, so Trump signs the thing, he sees that there's some humor there. Of course you would meet the president. They have this, there's, let's say, some equity when it comes to insults. And here he is opening up a bit more about some of the things that surprised him about the President.
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Bill Maher
At one point, we were walking through his amazing. It is an amazing tour of the whole house. And I don't remember exactly what we were talking about, but it must have been something with the 2020 election because I know he used the word lost and I distinctly remember saying, wow, I never thought I'd hear you say that. He didn't get mad. He's much more self aware than he lets on in public. Look, I get it. It doesn't matter who he is at a private dinner with a comedian. It matters who he is on the world stage. I'm just taking as a positive that this person exists because everything I've ever not liked about him was, I swear to God, absent. At least on this night with this guy. Bob. Kid Rock told me the night before he said, if you want to get a word in edgewise, you're going to have to cut him off. He'll just go on. Not at all. I've had so many conversations with prominent people who are much less connected, people who don't look you in the eye, people who don't really listen because they just want to get to their next thing. People whose response to things you say just doesn't track. Like what? None of that with him. And he mostly steered the conversation to. What do you think about this? I know your mind is blown. So is mine.
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Dave Rubin
You know, interestingly, Bill, actually, your mind shouldn't be blown because you've heard from a lot of people, including me. And I don't even mean this as a criticism. I think it's great that you're sort of having this mea culpa. It is important when somebody sits down with people at dinner. When a president of the United States sits down with people at dinner and is respectful of them and is curious and thoughtful and funny and all of those things. That is exactly. And we'll get to a clip in a moment. That is exactly what I told Bill a couple years ago happened with me when I met Donald Trump for the first time. And I was not publicly a Trump supporter at that point. And I was really on the fence. And I had been saying for a while, I need to meet the guy. I think you can learn an awful lot. Look, not everybody's gonna get a private moment with the president. And there is a difference between, let's say, the public and private Persona. But you got to look under the hood, and what you saw under the hood was thoughtful. As a guy that has interviewed thousands and thousands of people, Right? You've been with the people that can't make eye contact. You've been with the people that want to talk over you the entire time or just want to glaze themselves or whatever else, Right? And you saw something completely different, and you're acknowledging it. It's actually great. And I suspect that Donald Trump felt something similar towards you. Here's just a bit more.
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Bill Maher
The most surreal part of the whole night was when I got home. I flew back right after the dinner, and I'm in bed watching 60 Minutes from the night before. And there's Trump in one of their stories, standing at a podium in a room that looked to me like one of the rooms and places we'd just been in. And he's ranting, disgusting. You're a terrible person. And I'm like, who's that guy? What happened to Glinda the good witch? And why can't we get the guy I met to be the public eye? And I'm not saying it's our responsibility to do that. It's not. I'm just reporting exactly what I saw over two and a half hours. I went into the mine and that's what's down there. A crazy person doesn't live in the White House. A person who plays a crazy person on TV a lot lives there, which I know is up. It's just not as up as I thought it was.
- [12:21]
Dave Rubin
Again, that is quite an admission. That is quite a mea culpa. And I think over time, since I've kind of been right tracking this with Bill, what I think he will realize is the reason that the guy, let's say, plays crazy by his words when he's in front of the other media is because the other media treats him like crap. So he just gives it back. He can't be warm and jokey and fun and thoughtful all the time with the people that are trying to destroy him with, quite literally the people who tried to jail him. Right, because the media was working with the Democrats. So maybe that is a bit of a character on camera or behind the podium and that's different from the guy who you met. But there's a reason for that. And I suspect that Bill knows that it's worth noting because this evolution, you might watch this and go, ah, Bill's been kind of getting there. There's nothing like so amazing about this. I mean, look at this little piece that was put together online, just showing you how. Well, I guess you could say it's quickly or not quickly, but let's just say how Bill has changed on this.
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Bill Maher
There anyone ever been anyone more thin skinned? I made a joke about his father being an orangutan and he marched into court with his birth certificate and sued me because he's a whiny little bitch. He said to Dana White, you know, Bill said, my father was an orangutan and I, I really love my father. And I said, well, Mr. President, I did that because I didn't like what you were doing regarding Obama's birth origins. I thought that was low. Again, no anger, just a little smile as if to say, yeah, I get it. If I can change and you can change everybody to change.
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Dave Rubin
Of course, that's Rocky Balboa from Rocky iv. That was on Christmas Day in Russia, in Moscow, when he beat Ivan Drago. But that's the point. Like, he's showing You. Trump gets it. He. There's the sense of humor there. Bill has evolved. They've been through these wars, but the war that that exists right now, they largely are on the same side of. And I don't know what Bill will say on his show, show next week, or anything else, but I do know that this has been a long ride getting this guy there. And it's important. It's important because that sliver of sane liberals who we've seen so many of them move, The Tulsi's, the RFKs, et cetera, there's still a bunch that aren't moving. And for the rest of this show, we're gonna be illustrating the choice that they have to make, because there's just pure craziness on one side. And then there's. Well, as Bill said, a guy who maybe acts crazy in front of the camera publicly, but behind the cameras or when the cameras are off actually is very different than that. I want to show you two other clips related to sort of how I've been trying to do this with Bill, because I knew that this was coming. I knew that this. I knew that it. Well, I didn't know that it was coming. I knew that it should come. How about that? That's what she said. And here is a couple years ago, me on Real Time. This is the first time I ever met Bill in person. And we sat down, and here I am explaining that me meeting Trump for the first time at a dinner, having a chat with him, talking to him, joking with, et cetera, et cetera. Well, it's exactly what Bill just laid out from his own experience about two weeks ago.
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Bill Maher
First of all, you gotta break up with your boyfriend, Donald Trump. You know, you people make me laugh.
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Dave Rubin
Okay, so, as if you think so, his decision that I would even entertain.
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Bill Maher
The idea of joining up with the social club that made Donald Trump its president.
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Dave Rubin
He says, dad, I want you to meet Dave Rubin. Trump is sitting. He looks at me, he goes. He goes, do I recognize you? I recognize you. He goes, I said, well, I'm on Tucker a lot. Maybe you see me there. He goes, oh, okay. And then he goes, who are you? And he's talking to my husband, David. He goes, well, I'm his husband. He goes, husband, husband. He stands up, he slaps his hands on the table. He goes, you guys are gay. He goes, you guys are gay. And then he turns to me, he goes, you know what your problem is? I said, what? He goes, your problem is you could have any chick you want, but you don't want them.
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Bill Maher
You want this guy.
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Dave Rubin
And the point of all of that.
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Bill Maher
Was a broken clock is right twice a day.
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Dave Rubin
The point of all that, he doesn't give a about that. He doesn't care about any of that stuff. He likes success.
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Bill Maher
Because everything I've ever not liked about him was, I swear to God, absent. At least on this night with this guy, I never felt I had to walk on eggshells around him. And honestly, I voted for Clinton and Obama, but I would never feel comfortable talking to them the way I was able to talk with Donald Trump. So, MAGA fans, don't worry, your boy gave me nothing. Just hats. Hats and a very generous amount of time and a willingness to listen and accept me as a possible friend, even though I'm not maga, which was the point of the dinner.
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Dave Rubin
But I suspect you actually will be. Although in some sense, maybe it doesn't matter if you ever fully get there or not, which is the exact same thing I've been saying about you for years, right? Because you're Bill. You're dealing with this stuff honestly. So if your audience actually gets there and you don't, that might just be fine. But isn't that interesting if you see what we did there with that edit? The exact thing that Bill has been talking about, his experience is exactly what I laid out to him years ago. And I just want to show you one more on sort of how I was working on this. Like, I really, this was a part of what I was trying to do with this show for years, because I know how important Bill is when it comes to where the sort of mainstream liberal, not insane progressive, but true liberal position is. It's not just that there was always this feeling of Trump is this crazy person and the mean tweets and he's orange and yells and everything else. It was also somehow that he was either racist because he wanted a wall and all the rest of the stuff. So now I want to flash up to about a year and a half after I was on Club Random podcast, when I was on Real Time with Bill Maher and we got into it about some of the other leaders on the right, but how it's connected to everything that Trump is doing.
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Bill Maher
People are feeling they are not welcome almost in their own home because immigration, these people are fighting again.
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Dave Rubin
So most of these people are not far right by any way that we would think of far right in that they like that they're racist. I actually met with Orban in Budapest and I talked to him for a little while and all he kept saying was, you know, I love Hungary. That's all. I love my people, I love my country. That's it. I don't know what accent that was, but that. That basically dead on impression.
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Bill Maher
Can you do his walk?
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Dave Rubin
He kind of. There's a little bit of a waddle, but all of these guys, Geert Wilders, he wants Holland to be for the Dutch, right? Like, that's what he wants. That's racist. That's what they would tell you, right?
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Bill Maher
Dutch for the Dutch. I would amend that if it was me. Dutch values.
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Dave Rubin
No Dutch values.
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Bill Maher
You don't have to be actually Dutch. You don't have to be white. That's what I think is great about America.
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Dave Rubin
It's the idea.
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Bill Maher
As long as you subscribe to our ideas, which, again, to your point, and what I was saying at the end of the show, that we're not a Christian nation. That's not what it is. This is a country where we have the First Amendment, then everybody should be welcome.
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Dave Rubin
No, of course it's not about skin color, but it is about culture. So what happens is all of these people, whether they're in France or Belgium or any of the countries that you just mentioned, they're realizing, wow, we've got literally millions of people in our borders that are chanting for genocide and gas the Jews and the rest of it. And by the way, it doesn't stop with the Jews, right? I mean, they were at the Christmas tree in Times Square yesterday or two days ago. So people are realizing that and they're looking for anybody. And for some reason, they always come with crazy hair that will. That will fix some of this stuff. Okay, so you guys get the point. I think years of the culture, the American culture changing, the progressives going wacky, Trump widening. What MAGA means, a new understanding that just because you want borders doesn't mean you're racist. I think all of these things have gotten Bill to get a lot closer. If Bill, let's say, three years ago, really thought Trump was racist or was a white supremacist or something else, maybe he would have said no to that infight. But he was over time. I mean, also on that show, I was the first one that said to him in any sort of public atmosphere that very fine people on both sides was a hoax, right? And he conceded it on that show. So the point is, and I don't want to make this about me, the point is if you confront people with the truth about the issues, right, then they might be willing to talk to people they thought were the bad guys mar Trump. And then next thing you know, you've got Bill Maher up there basically saying, we're on the same team. He didn't say he's voting for, you know, well, I guess there'll be no more elections with Trump. Although he keeps saying he wants a third term, but you get it. You get it. But now I want to show you how this actually was risky for Bill because he could potentially be alienating his audience. He had on the other. One of the. They had Piers Morgan on, and another panelist was this guy from the Washington Post, journalist, I guess, Josh Rogan. And he's one of these kind of guys that sounds like this sort of that thing that all these lefties are. And here he is basically on Bill's show telling him that Trump used Bill like it's the most condescending, insulting thing ever. But it ha. But once again, to Bill's credit, he let it happen on his own show. Watch. I think you've fallen into the trap. I think I represent 99% of the.
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Bill Maher
Internet when I say this is that.
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Dave Rubin
You'Ve played the game of proximity is principle. And what people are worried about is not your motivation. We believe you. We love you, Bill.
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Bill Maher
Everybody loves Bill. Right. I'm not questioning your motivation. I'm questioning Trump's.
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Dave Rubin
Okay.
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Bill Maher
And if we can say that you went there in good faith, but maybe.
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Dave Rubin
Just maybe, he wasn't there in good faith. I mean, you sold him on the.
- [22:04]
Bill Maher
Iran deal and he took it in. I mean, give me a break.
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Dave Rubin
Okay, so. So the idea here is that your motivation is sound, but what's the impact? And I think a lot of people out there, fans of yours, people who love you, people who are fans of you, like me.
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Bill Maher
I've been fans of you. You don't have to patronize me, dude. I don't know you. I never met you.
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Dave Rubin
I'm just saying that this comes from.
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Bill Maher
Not everybody has to like it. That's what we said. There are people who didn't want it to happen at all. It sounded like one of them.
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Dave Rubin
No, no, no.
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Bill Maher
I just. But did you hear what I said? Like, what is the alternative to not talking? Just sit at your lunch table and don't talk to anybody. Talk to him.
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Dave Rubin
I've interviewed Trump.
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Bill Maher
Here's his interview. That's not an interview. This was not an interview.
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Dave Rubin
I agree with the principle of engagement.
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Bill Maher
I'm just saying from his perspective, you.
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Dave Rubin
Have to understand that people out there.
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Bill Maher
Know, all Americans know that for him, this was a PR stunt.
- [22:49]
Dave Rubin
And in his view, you were a.
- [22:50]
Bill Maher
Prop in that PR stunt.
- [22:53]
Dave Rubin
That's Bill at his best. Try to picture any other late night comedy show where they let on a guest who basically, completely, completely goes after in, in sort of the most disgusting way in some sense, because he's basically saying, bill, you're an idiot. You were just used by that guy. As if Bill has no thoughts of his own. Right. And Bill, Bill did a great job there. Don't patronize me. I. I don't know you. But he let him do it, right? And he had the conversation right there and it's like. And what did he say? 99 of the Internet agrees with me. Like, I don't know what, maybe you're on some other Internet that I'm not on. But no, the point is, you do sit down with people. Right? Right. Like the lunch school lunch example is the right thing. That's actually how you make friends. That's how we're gonna heal this thing. But of course, this is just some Washington Post guy that you'll probably never hear of again. It doesn't really matter anyway. We're gonna connect this to largely what's going on in the country. And we'll have a bit more from the Real Time episode itself in just a second. But first, Rumble Premium free speech is under attack. But Rumble refuses to back down. We've always believed in empowering voices, no matter how unpopular. And now we're fight to the next level. When major advertisers conspired to pull their dollars, even brands like Dunkin Donuts turned their backs, claiming Rumble had a right wing culture. But we're not here to fit a mold. We're here to defend free expression. To strengthen this mission, we're excited to offer Rumble Premium a completely ad free experience with exclusive benefits for viewers and creators. You'll find exclusive content from creators like Russell Brand, Dr. Disrespect, Tim Cast, and the Mug Club with Crowder. It's more than a subscription. It's a stand for free speech. Your voice matters. Join Rumble Premium for a limited, you can get $10 off an annual plan using promo code REUBEN. Visit rumble.com premium rubin and claim your discount today. Together, we can turn the tide. Whether you join Rumble Premium or simply keep watching, your support helps keep free speech alive. Okay, so now I want to connect this to largely what's been happening in the media and the culture and politics and everything else. This, this evolution that Bill finally seems to be on. And he just needed, and I don't mean to diminish it because it's what I needed. I. You can definitely find videos before I met Trump personally of me saying if I could just sit down with the guy, I might have a slightly different take. But all of him, all of his stuff that's now come around. It's not just the personal stuff. It's not just this change of heart. It's also because the Democrats have gone completely insane. And when the Democrats go insane, you know what that means? That means the mainstream media is going insane because they, they are working together. So now let's jump over to Piers Morgan's show. Piers happened to be the guest, guest, the other guest on Real Time, but we're going to jump over to his show for just a second. And disgraced, quote, unquote, journalist Chuck Todd, a guy who has been a mainstream media guy forever. He's been part of all the big hoaxes. He's gotten everything wrong. He's obviously a Democrat. He's no longer the host of Meet the Press. They finally got rid of him. He's now just in one of the boxes that Piers, that Piers puts up there. I go in those boxes, you know, those four little boxes, and then you yell and have to own a lefty nut bag every now and again. I do it it too. But that Chuck Todd has been sort of reduced to. That tells you everything you need to know about Chuck Todd. And here's Chuck Todd explaining to peers how the mainstream media covered for Biden because they feared being perceived as helping Donald Trump.
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Bill Maher
Chuck, I just want to talk to you about the mainstream media, as Trump puts it, the legacy media in the four years of the Biden presidency, specifically because, look, I'm a Brit, right, And I was living a lot of the time in the uk, But I was firing off very angry. I read them the other day, angry columns about the cognitive state of Joe Biden and his physical and cognitive ability to be President of the United States and just wondering why on earth this was being allowed to continue. But why was the mainstream media so reluctant, it seemed to me, to go much, much harder on what everyone was seeing with their own eyes? Well, look, I sit here and I'll defend a little bit of this in that I would argue the reason people were able to come to their own conclusion on Joe Biden is because of the media coverage. You know, look, we were subtle. He's using the back staircase, he's not using the front staircase. Hey, he's not doing any interviews. So there was this reluctance to draw the conclusion to Say, is he not doing this? And that I agree with that was that was held back, held back a lot. But I understand the argument about the collective on that front. The only thing I can chalk it up to is this, whatever you want to call it, this fear that some members of the media had sometimes that they would be perceived as helping Trump if they somehow diminished Biden.
- [27:35]
Dave Rubin
Right.
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Bill Maher
That it was some sort of zero sum game. And I think this has been the fundamental mistake that many members of the traditional press have done.
- [27:42]
Dave Rubin
Well, Chuck, why didn't you say any of that when you were the host of Meet the Press, which used to be the most respected Sunday news show in all of America. Right. And also it's interesting, you seem to not have a problem with your friends who didn't mind if, if they didn't want to. They didn't want it to be seen that they were perceived as protecting Trump, but by default, they were seen as perceived to be protecting Biden. Do you see the inherent problem there? So this is one of the things we see all the time. All of these people who are, I don't know what this is. We need a term for it. These people who get recycled through all of these things, they do a terrible job in politics and then they get a job in the media, or they do a terrible job in the media and then they get a job in politics, or they lie about everything and then they get, you know, lifelong payments from the government for the rest of their lives, like Anthony Fauci. But where were you, Chuck? Now, the reason I'm, the way I'm connecting that to what we've been talking about for the first portion of the show is that Bill, I think, also is realizing that the media lied about everything, particularly when it came to Donald Trump. Thus maybe he's starting to rethink some of his positions. I think we have some video of Chuck Todd being a partisan hack. Don't we think there's already.
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Bill Maher
Do you think there is blood on.
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Dave Rubin
The president's hands, considering the slow response, or is that too, too harsh of a criticism?
- [29:09]
Bill Maher
I think that's a little too harsh.
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Dave Rubin
I think what's happened, like, we don't even need to show more of that. You get that. So that's when Trump is president during COVID and is there blood on his hands? Meanwhile, more people died of COVID under Joe Biden than Donald Trump. I'm pretty sure Chuck Todd never asked that. And if you watch the extended version of that clip, it's not even worth bludgeoning. You guys with it. Biden is just a mumbling, stumbling fool and he's looking at notes the whole time and everything else. And that's from before, before he was President of the United States. So the media lies, the politicians lie. Here's lady eyelashes Jasmine Crockett. And after four years of being gaslit and told that Joe Biden is fine. Look at what she's trying to pull off right here. That no one is questioning his mental acuity or fitness to serve is beyond wild to me. Right. Like the fact that they sat around called, called Joe Biden sleepy Joe Biden. And as I said before, at least you could sleep at night because you didn't have to Worry about your 401k disappearing overnight. Absolutely pathetic. And that Muppet, what's his name again? That Muppet guy. Chris Hayes. Nodding yeah, yeah. We should be worried about Trump's cognitive ability. Trump, who is holding press conferences in the middle of the night on Air Force One, answering every question, surrounding himself with good people, a layer of transparency we have simply never seen in government. But she's still going off on that. And that Muppet man on that televised mental institution, that he nods as if it's okay. But again, Bill's now seeing all of this stuff. I think now that he has seen the real Trump, I think his ability to see through that kind of nonsense is going to get clearer and clearer. Let's jump back over to NBC where Cory Booker, a man who two weeks ago did not urinate for 25 hours and should be cracked credited credit is as such. Here he is being asked about Trump's tariffs and the way the market bounced back. And watch what he does here. This is, this is all they've got. They just make up nonsense with no evidence.
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Bill Maher
Do you believe that Democrats have any.
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Dave Rubin
Real evidence that anyone in the administration profited off of the President's policies and announcements?
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Bill Maher
Or is this just a fishing expedition?
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Dave Rubin
You know, here's the problem with Donald.
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Bill Maher
Trump and congressional Republicans is our whole system was designed to have checks and balances.
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Dave Rubin
Now, Trump has designed an administration like none we've ever seen before. He is attacking the very agencies that.
- [31:37]
Bill Maher
Are supposed to have independent oversight of.
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Dave Rubin
These kind of actions. So we see him hiring people based upon their loyalty, not amongst. Based upon their expertise. The real group that should be holding investigations and accountability and even just oversight is Congress.
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Bill Maher
But is there any evidence, do you think there's any evidence that anyone profited off of these tariffs? There is enough of an offense here. There's enough smoke here.
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Dave Rubin
That should Demand congressional hearings. You mean there is no evidence that Donald Trump did what he said he was going to do on Liberation Day, which was lay out these tariffs. Tariffs. Then a bunch of countries come back and say, okay, okay, we're coming to the table. The market starts freaking out a little bit because they don't know how many countries are coming back or anything else. Donald Trump the entire time is telling everybody to calm down. And I think he even put a post on Truth Social that said buy. It wasn't a secret that when markets go down, that's usually a good time to buy. That is what people do. And then they decide, oh, enough countries have come over and are willing to negotiate. So we're going to put a 90 day pause on all of these countries except for China. But this is what you've been left with. If you're on the left, you have conspiracy theories when it comes to stuff like tariffs like that he just laid out there. It's a complete conspiracy theory that Trump secretly told his friends, guys, we're going to do this for three days. We're going to threaten them with tariffs and the market will crash and you guys should all buy. Like, it's just, just nonsense. It's utter, utter nonsense. There might be savvy investors that could kind of read the room. And we're like, boy, you know, it does seem like if he's going to levy these taxes, the market's going to go down. And when a market does go down, that's when you buy. Somebody might have seen that. I doubt anyone knew that all these countries were going to come back immediately. What was it about 70 countries, Besson said, that immediately came back. Thus the market went back up. So savvy investors did what they do. They read the room, they look around, they look at the geopolitics, they listen to the messaging, et cetera, et cetera. So Booker's just got nothing. And that is consistent with what the Democrats have. And speaking of having nothing, they still, still are pushing this gender lunacy. Here is trans activist Charlotte Clymer saying that science is on their side, which I'm fairly certain is. It isn't. But who am I? Here's what I find ironic about all this. It's very easy to fight back on trans issues. The science is on our side. Every credible medical organization has come out and endorsed gender affirming care and said that the trans military ban is ridiculous and unnecessary. They've said that trans women should be housed in women's prisons. I mean, these are all these Are all policies that make sense if you're willing to fight back? No, none of those policies make sense. Can we just put an image up? I don't mean to be a dick about this, no pun intended, but that if the science is on your side, Charlotte, that you're looking at. There is a man, I'm sorry, now, Charlotte uses female pronouns, obviously, and has changed his name to Charlotte, and that's just fine. And if I met Charlotte and Charlotte treated me with respect, I would treat Charlotte with respect. But to say the science is on your side, you still have the same chromosomal makeup that you were born with, so you are still biologically a male. That's just how it is. Gender affirming. Care. These words, these dystopian words. No, it's not affirming to chop someone's nuts off. If someone walked in here and chopped my nuts off, that would not be affirming me. It would be, I would say, less than affirming. Let's just say, and then of course, that trans women should be in women's prisons. Dudes should be in women's prisons. Think about that. Think about that. Is that what you think that should be? And if you do, I would tell you to watch Orange is the New Black because those chicks are up to some bad news over in those prisons. And I wouldn't want to subject any dude to that. So, okay, again, this is what you've got Democrats, you've got sort of conspiracy theorists, Cory Booker, you've got like the Chuck Todd's. Oh, I was part of the thing, but then I had nothing to do with it. That's kind of like the Jake Tapper version. I'm gonna write a book about, about Joe Biden's mental acuity. If only I had reported on it for four years. Then you have the trans activists who are still out there doing it, and then you have this absolute clown who's running his late night comedy show that people have. Honey, would you like to go see Tim Walls do a show? He's holding these town halls. And here he is, Tim Walls, getting booed by veterans for his stolen valor. Welcome. Welcome to the capital. It's great that you're.
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Bill Maher
Sir, you're welcome to come.
- [36:35]
Dave Rubin
Let me finish, let me finish. Hey, there's some passion in the. So look, people are just seeing through the Democrat nonsense. So let's kind of recap here. Trump now, by sitting down with someone that has been one of, if not his biggest critics in all of media for the past decade, has caused Bill Maher to have a change of heart. But it wasn't just that. The Democrats accelerated Bill's change of heart by being crazy by putting males up on stages and saying that they were females and telling you that that very fine people didn't happen and walls are racist and everything else. So the question for the Democrats right now is which way will your future be? More like Bill Maher, who still, as he often says, and I do believe him, still believes in all of the same liberal, truly liberal principles that he always believed in. Or do you want to go the other way, the socialist AOC Bernie Sanders way? We'll have more on that in just a second. But first, 1775 call coffee 1775 and rumble. Just teamed up to launch their first ever anti aging coffee. And it's almost gone. They've dropped a thousand longevity bundles and after blowing through most of them, they've extended the sale and added a few more. But this is the final push. Once they're gone, they're gone for good. For just 99 bucks, you're getting over $250 in value, including two bags of longevity coffee and ultra rare peaberry roast and exclusive 1775 merch you won't find anywhere else. This isn't just some cheap throwaway promo roast. It's real bold, high quality coffee. If you believe in America, this is your coffee. And here's the kicker. Every dollar you spend is an entry to win a Cybertruck and $30,000 in cash. That's 99 entries locked in. And with less than a month left, this bundle gives you a real shot. Go to1775coffee.com Reuben to grab yours, fuel up, live long and start your morning with coffee. That stands for something. All right, so if you're an old school liberal, what are old school liberal principles? You believe in individual rights. You believe in equality under the law. You believe in the light touch of government. You believe in logic and reason, that kind of thing. It's what most Americans actually fundamentally are. And then conservatives usually attach a degree of that to religious beliefs. And unfortunately, progressives saw the underbelly of soft tolerance that liberals have and then took it to really a sort of authoritarian, crazy place place. But if you are a true liberal, I believe that that is something worth fighting for. And you got to figure out, does it make sense to ally with the people who are trying to burn down the country, the lefties or maybe some of the conservatives who might have some personal beliefs that are a little different than yours, but generally Like America want to live and let live, et cetera, et cetera. So before we get to AOC and Bernie and you clearly know which side of this they're on, I want to show you one more clip of Bill. This is Bill's club random podcast from this weekend. He had my friend Winston Marshall on, formerly of Mumford and Sons, who got canceled and survived and is now an outspoken, I would say, defender of true liberalism. And here they are discussing how the, the left or the Democrats have to decide what they are going to do with woke because it has nothing to do with liberalism.
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Bill Maher
You get a certain amount of cult followers for anything, and then the true believers never die. I mean, a lot of people would say right now the Democratic Party is still in that mode, which is going to render them possibly an irrelevant party if they don't change. What would you like to see from.
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Dave Rubin
The Democrats, like, going forward?
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Bill Maher
Well, much more centrism. Much more get rid of the WOKE baggage. You know, old school liberal is what I usually describe myself as, but that's very often the opposite of woke.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah. And what you're going to find actually is that for the old school liberal who wants to smoke his weed and drink his tequila and talk to people that are different from him and everything else, you're going to be able to break bread with people like Donald Trump. You may remember we didn't show you. We're not throwing the clip today, but maybe we'll throw to it tomorrow. There was another moment in that Club Random that I did with Bill where I said to him, where would you be more welcome? Would it be at a Trump rally? This is years ago. This is three, four years ago. Where would you be more welcome? Welcome at a Trump rally or an AOC rally. And he even admitted back then that he knew it would be a Trump rally. So now speaking of aoc, she and Bernie Sanders, who. Who seem to be the new de facto heads of the Democrat Party. Right. It's not Pelosi and Schumer anymore. It's just not. They're, they're trying to like, put together the pieces. What does our revolution look like? Well, you're going to take, you're going to take the old school head of the revolution, the guy who used to hate millionaires, then he became a millionaire, now he hates billionaires. That's Bernie Sanders with his three houses. And you're going to take the girl who's basically an actress who I don't think she believes in anything other than power and fame. And you're going to put them out on the road and they're going to fight the oligarchy and defeat Trump because Trump's creating transparency in government. Why would you want that? Donald Trump is not an aberration. He is the logical, inevitable conclusion of an American political system dominated by corporate and dark money. And if we are here to defeat him, we must defeat the system that created him. Money in politics is the hand of oligarchy, Los Angeles, and we are. All right, we'll get to oligarchy and money and politics in just a second. I showed you that clip not because she said anything so brilliant there, but because they are on the road and they are drawing crowds. And we know that the crowds that they're drawing often are bused in and they're from union, teachers unions and all these other things. That's just fine. But you can feel what they're doing. What they are really doing right now is getting ready for. Because Trump has three years and this, you know, three. Well, he's got three and a half years to go. But these first two, three months have been pretty freaking successful. They are getting ready to seed the ground for their revolution. Whether that revolution is bloody or violent, likely, or just this simmering thing that they can just release whenever they want. Just like they could with Antifa or BLM or the Hamas stuff. We shall see. But sometimes aoc, when she's doing one of these podcasts or doing her little Instagram things, she kind of says the quiet part out loud. And I want you to watch this clip of her talking about how the, the America, the greatest country in the history of the world, that would allow a dim witted buffoon like her to become a congressman, Congresswoman, that America was made to collapse. And I think you'll see where I'm going with this. It's kind of like she actually does want it to collapse also, you know, the other way I think you can think about it is that we are, you know, perhaps we are in the downfall of the broken way. This was not built to last. Inequity injustice is not built to last. It lasts a long time. It could last hundreds of years, but ultimately it crumbles into this, you know, a small cohort of incompetent people that create damage and from that something new can spring. And so maybe something is declining right now, but maybe it deserves to decline. Oh, look at them with their edit, with the thoughtful music. Can I get some sort of. In the future when I start saying something that sounds good, but it's really meaningless Can I get some thoughtful music like that? That, yeah. Inequity, injustice, all those things. You see what she's saying, what she's basically telling her audience, what she's signaling to them is this thing could be done and our revolution could be right on our doorstep. It's funny. Where was she during four years of Joe Biden? What has happened under Trump? Has inequity increased under Trump? Actually, for the few days that the stock market went down, the rich people were less rich. She should have been happy about that, but she seemingly wasn't happy about that either. Now the person she's getting all her cues from is washed up old, 80 something year old socialist Bernie Sanders. A man who in a 40 plus year career in the Senate has signed no major legislation, who probably has done more damage to America maybe than any other politician in those four decades because he taught a young. Or he. It's not taught. He tricked a bunch of young people into thinking that jealousy and greed of greed over someone, what someone else has earned is good greed for yourself because then you can do some stuff with your own money that's actually kind of good. Watch Gordon Gekko in Wall Street. But when you think, when you look at someone else and you're envious of what they have, and if we could only, oh, I want to get rid of inequality because I want what they have, so I'm going to chop them down, that is bad. Here's Bernie at his Fight the oligarch rally and he's not happy with Elon Musk. Elon Musk, a man who's rescuing astronauts, a man who's got people playing chess that are paraplegics and all the other stuff. He's very upset because Elon Musk is helping Donald Trump figure out where your tax dollars are through Doge.
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Bill Maher
You know, it's funny, just yesterday our good friend Elon Musk, Mr. Musk sent out a tweet and in essence he said, you know, Bernie Sanders has been talking about the growth of oligarchy year after year after year. Well, Elon, you're damn right that's what I've been talking about. The difference is I'm no longer talking about how we're moving to oligarchy. I'm talking about how we are living today in an oligarchic form of society.
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Dave Rubin
God, he's evil. Look, I know he's just an old windbag. I'm not even going to do the impression. I don't even feel like doing it right now. I know he's just an old windbag. And it's like, okay, there he is. He's been doing this forever. There's nothing new there. But tricking those young people into thinking that they're living in an oligarchy. Right now, in the moment that we are uncovering the fraud in our government, where we're getting more transparency around our government, it's downright evil. And if you watch that video, look at all the people. They have teachers unions, shirts behind them. They are all bused in and coordinated. So why is he unhappy about Doge? Because Doge is showing that your tax dollars were going through USAID to all of these NGOs to fund the anti American lefty nonsense that puts that buffoon on a stage. Now, interestingly, he says, well, Elon said that I've been saying that the United States is becoming an oligarchy for years, and now we're in it. It's funny because he didn't really say it much over the last four years when it was his guys in charge, he wasn't saying it. We do have a compilation of him saying it repeatedly for many, many years, except when his guys are in power.
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Bill Maher
This great country of ours is moving very rapidly in the direction of oligarchy. The United States of America today is increasingly becoming an oligarchy. More and more moving toward an oligarchy. We are moving in the direction of oligarchy. We will move even more rapidly in the direction of an oligarchy. This great country is evolving into an oligarchic society. It is called oligarchy, and that is the system we are rapidly moving toward. This is a budget that moves our country rapidly into the direction of oligarchy. A handful of billionaires are moving this entire planet toward an oligarchic society. Start off with the bad news, which is pretty bad, and that is that under Donald Trump, this country is hurtling rapidly toward oligarchy.
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Dave Rubin
Strange, Bernie, were we in an oligarchy for the past four years with the man with dementia? Do you know that 83 billionaires supported Kamala Harris, the lady that you supported, who had a soft coup to get rid of that guy, and you didn't say a word about that. Only 52 supported Trump. So if we're counting billionaires. I know, Bernie, you're not great with math, but 83 billionaires supporting your guy was more than 52 supporting Trump. So you're not against billionaires. Right? You're for billionaires as long as they do what you want them to do. But you're actually Evil and a liar. I don't know any other way to describe you. Right. Because when it's your. When you're getting your way, it's all good. And when you're not, well, then we better burn down the system. Here's a great moment when Scott Bessette was, was being confirmed and Bernie asked him if we're in an oligarchy. And, well, Bessem had a fairly solid answer.
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Bill Maher
I would say when you have a handful of people like Musk, who will soon be part of the Trump administration and others, when you have three people owning more wealth than the bottom half of American society, when these people have enormous influence over the media, when they spend huge amounts of money in both political parties to elect candidates, what Biden said last night is we're moving toward an oligarchy. I'm asking you that question. Do you think, forget how they made their money, do you think that when so few people have so much wealth and so much economic and political power, that that is an oligarchic form of society? Well, I would note that the President Biden gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to two people who, who I think.
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Dave Rubin
Would qualify for his oligarchs.
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Bill Maher
So this is not a condemnation of any one individual.
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Dave Rubin
Oh, it's not, Bernie, because you had no problem when Joe Biden strapped the Medal of Freedom. What was it? What award was it? It doesn't even matter. On George. It wasn't George Soros. He didn't even show up on his son. Right. So you guys will take all of these, all of the dollars, when it benefits you, and then you're upset when it doesn't go your way. And the real reason I'm showing you that, again is to the backdrop of pick your side liberals. Bill is waking up. I think it's now he doesn't. We, we had to push and nudge and everything else. Now we just gotta let entropy, go with Bill. And he's gonna take a lot of good people with him, but hopefully everyone else that is seeing through this nonsense. What has Donald Trump done in the two and a half months or so, three months that he has been president? Do you know what he's done? He's made government more transparent. He's trying to cut taxes. We're trying to rein in the wars. These are all the things that Bernie talked about but never did. And Bernie, if you had a flicker of what Bill has, a flicker of, of integrity and honesty, you could get on board this because you could bring actually some of your brain broken lefty populists and show them that actually Trump is the one that has the true populist message. By bringing manufacturing back to the United States, by making sure that we have fair trade deals, by lowering taxes so that people have more money in their pocket. By doing things like school choice so that kids aren't don't grow up to be like you. But I know that would be a bridge too far. Bernie Sanders also can't get a boner. So here's a ad from bluechew. Fellas, let's be real. Everyone could use an extra hand, but with bluechew, you get an extra leg. They're the original service offering chewable tablets to help you with performance. And now they've taken it up a notch, introducing bluechew Max, a powerhouse formula combining the active ingredients of Viagra and Cialis into one chewable tablet. This combo is so strong, you might even have to move towns. With the amount of noise you'll be making, that means fast acting, long lasting support when you need it most. Be ready when the moment's right. Sign up@bluechew.com, consult with a licensed medical provider and once approved, your prescription ships directly to your door, discreetly and hassle free. No waiting rooms, no awkward conversations, no pharmacy lines. And here's the best part. We've got a special deal just for you. Try your first month of BlueChew Free. When you use promo code REUBEN, just pay $5 shipping. So if you've been looking to step up your game, head on over to bluechew.com and use promo code Rubin to get started. More confidence, better moments delivered straight to you. For more details and important safety information, visit bluechew.com so as Bernie and AOC take the reins of the Democrat party and we watch the demo numbers tank, they're going to have to use it. They have to use emotion. They have to make you think the oligarchs are coming, the Nazis are here, the fascists are here. We know all their tricks. But one of the things that you know, I love is watching how the messaging permeates through the mainstream media. So the Democrats over the last like three, four days, they absolutely got their new talking point. Their new talking point is that Trump is creating chaos. Watch this.
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Bill Maher
We begin this hour with the chaos.
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Dave Rubin
The average American sees chaos. The American people see chaos.
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Bill Maher
It's total chaos. You brought chaos.
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Dave Rubin
It's just complete chaos and economic chaos.
- [54:10]
Bill Maher
They unleashed chaos.
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Dave Rubin
They are creating chaos.
- [54:13]
Bill Maher
This chaos. There's too much chaos, total chaos that.
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Dave Rubin
Amidst the chaos and to See chaos.
- [54:18]
Bill Maher
After seeing all the chaos, the chaos.
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Dave Rubin
He has unleashed on America, continue to.
- [54:23]
Bill Maher
See the chaos, economic chaos, a lot more chaos.
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Dave Rubin
Trump's chaos. This is chaos.
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Bill Maher
With such chaos, the chaos because of this chaos, chaos, all of this chaos.
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Dave Rubin
Uncertainty and chaos.
- [54:37]
Bill Maher
Given all that chaos, when it's chaos, all the chaos, chaos and confusion grow, it's more chaos, dysfunction. The chaos is the purpose, the chaos is the goal.
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Dave Rubin
It's chaos. You watch something like that and you can just see right through it. It is coordinated messaging. Now, interestingly, they're right in some sense with is there chaos? Well, when you see young people taking over college campuses and not letting kids go to school, when you see people burning down Tesla charging stations and etching swastikas into Teslas, et cetera, et cetera, is there chaos? Pass. When you see that all of those people are bused in, told that the oligarchs are here, and then you put in their mind that the bad guys are in charge and they're coming for you and they're going to deport you. What could be on the other side of that? Well, yeah, it could be chaos, and it could be, and it likely will be violence, etc. Etc. And we can see all of that coming. But I think it's just important to note how they do that. They're the ones that want to create chaos to make it seem like Donald Trump is bad, and they're telling you that he's the one creating the chaos. Chaos. What chaos has Donald Trump caused? We have control of the border. We are getting control of our cities. Yes, the stock market did have a rough couple days and then largely came back and it's down, I don't know, maybe 5% of where it was before that. That's not chaos. We are trying to reorder these trade deals, but they want you to think there are bad guys everywhere while they themselves actually are the bad guys. Here's Elizabeth Warren, a fake Indian who used her fake Indian ancestry to become a student, a teacher at Harvard, and she's a. The President of the United States can.
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Bill Maher
Do something like this. It's very disturbing, it seems to me.
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Dave Rubin
Jim, these are all just signs of the king, right? The king, unlimited power.
- [56:25]
Bill Maher
And all that matters is whatever bothers.
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Dave Rubin
Him or engages him.
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Bill Maher
It's not about trying to make this country work better.
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Dave Rubin
But that law does not mention the power to tariff. And as you heard me also ask the Secretary of Commerce, the Constitution itself.
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Bill Maher
Makes it clear that the power to impose duties, tariffs, lies with Congress.
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Dave Rubin
There's also a constitutional challenge here. Do you think the courts are going to step in here?
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Bill Maher
The courts may step in here, but we don't have to wait for the courts to step in here. Look, look, every Democrat is ready to go to push back and take away from the President the power he's now exercising and the chaos he's now creating. It is time for Congress right now to step into the emergency that Donald Trump has created, use our own powers and roll back this chaos and opportunities for corruption that Donald Trump is now exploring avoided. Impeachment is imminent. The filing of articles of impeachment is imminent. We are currently in a countdown to impeachment. Now, those who know me know that I wouldn't say this if I were not going to move on with it.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah, good luck, champ. It's, it's also again, the chaos thing. What was the other line that Elizabeth Warren, Elizabeth Warren is very concerned with the opportunity for corruption. We have had two and a half months of doge uncovering the corruption, the corruption that you were part of the corruption that took people's tax dollars, gave it to USAID, which then gave it to NGOs and all of these left wing organizations that helped you. That's why you are so upset about this, this and the chaos, the chaos, the chaos. And then this ridiculous Al Green, this guy. It's like, okay, congratulations, you're going to impeach Trump again. You guys did it twice. It did absolutely nothing. And then he became president again. So you don't even know. You know, it's the exact same thing. Do you remember it was what, six years ago, Rashida Tlaib, the Hamas supporter. Rashida, I would say Hamas member Rashida Tlaib, when she got elected, she said that she was going to then impeach. That was well before any of his impeachments. She said, we'll find a way. These people are down right anti American and evil and they are the ones who would like to create chaos. And what are their supporters look like when they're not shooting healthcare CEOs in the middle of New York City's Times Square? Well, they're doing this kind of thing that seems like chaos. If you're just gonna spray paint and vandalize a Tesla store because you don't like that Elon Musk is helping quadriplegics play chess. Why can't they condemn that? Why is it. We showed you a video last week where a reporter was like, aoc, can you condemn any of the violence on the Teslas? And she Couldn't even answer. This is what they want. They want chaos, they want violence, they want vandalism, they want evidence. They create the evidence to then point to the evidence that says the system isn't working. And then they say that's all Donald Trump's fault and we are the ones are going to save you. So I would say to Bill Maher, everything we've shown from these people, whether it's their protectors in the media like Chuck Todd, or whether it's the ridiculous conspiracy theorists like Cory Booker, or whether it's someone like Elizabeth Warren who is a socialist worth, I think, $40 million, are those the people you want to be in league with? I don't think so anymore. Or is it that you want sort of the messy but America loving wide tent group that MAGA and America first has created, where there are old school pot smoking liberals like you and mushroom eating people like Joe Rogan and there's MMA fighters, and then you've got people who are just concerned with health, like Bobby Kennedy, and then you've got people on the religious right and people who disagree on a whole bunch of stuff but love America. Or do you want people who just want to burn down Tesla factories and tell you that that's the proof that Donald Trump is creating the chaos? Of course, what we could do is just focus on real policy. That's the other thing. Donald Trump is actually getting things done. And that's, that's what they really fear more than anything else. They never really feared that he was a racist. What they feared was he was going to get things done. And the more he gets things done, what did Trump say? That success will be his revenge. The more he gets things done, the more that things will be sort of ridiculous for them to yell about. I want to show you this video. This is, this is the head of the U.S. treasury, Larry Summers. He was the head of the U.S. treasury under Bill Clinton. Larry Summers, he went on the all in podcast. And David Sachs, who I've had on the show many times, who's now our crypto and AI Czar, they get into it over Trump's tariffs. And Sachs is basically making the argument that I was making weeks ago, which is it was just about negotiation and leverage. Take a look. So let's get your take on what happened this week with these tariffs. Even the most ardent supporters of Trump have felt this is chaotic, not well executed, not communicated well. What's your take, Sachs, on how this was executed and could this have been done better?
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Bill Maher
Well, I think what happened if you.
- [62:02]
Dave Rubin
Go back to Liberation day was only eight days ago. It was April 2nd. If I had told you on April 1st that Donald Trump would find a way to get the entire world to eagerly embrace a 10% tariff on the.
- [62:17]
Bill Maher
American market, and not only would they.
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Dave Rubin
Not complain, but they'd actually be released that it was only 10%, you would have said that would be an April Fool's joke. If I had told you eight days ago or nine days ago that Trump would find a way to accelerate the United States is decoupling from China, which is something he's long wanted to do, and that Wall street would basically breathe a sigh of relief over that, you would have said that there's no way that could happen. If I had told you eight or nine days ago that President Trump figured out a way to assert a presidential power in a way that gives America extraordinary leverage over virtually every country in the world, you would have said, well, I don't believe it. What is that power? And he proceeded to do that. And now basically every country in the world, except for China, is coming to Washington seeking to negotiate a new trade deal for the United States on better terms for the U.S. okay, I've got another clip here. I actually showed them to you backwards. So that is obviously Sachs laying out all of the things that Trump did that are happening right now that people literally would have never been able to believe could possibly happen, and they're fully happening right now. So now Larry Summers, again, he was head of the treasury under Bill Clinton. He and Sachs get into it about Trump's tariffs.
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Bill Maher
If you told me any of that a few days ago, I would have believed you, and I would have thought the consequences would be a substantially deteriorated American economy and a substantially less secure.
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Dave Rubin
I don't think we know that.
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Bill Maher
I don't think we know that. It's not any surprise. There's nothing surprising about the fact that the United States has the power to extort Lesotho. It's just. And that's the country that was singled out in the Trump formula for the highest level of protection. There is no surprise in that. There is no surprise that has capacity to isolate itself.
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Dave Rubin
That's not who's coming to Washington right now.
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Bill Maher
It will be very, very.
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Dave Rubin
Japan's coming to Washington, South Korea's coming to Washington. Everybody's gonna try to cut it down. Everyone's gonna come to Washington. Then why didn't they, Larry? Do you think that all these countries were gonna renegotiate their trade deals with the US If President Trump asked nicely, if he said, pretty please, let's renegotiate our trade deals so you take down your trade bearers. They would have done it if he had said, pretty please with a cherry on top. That's not the way these things work. He had to establish the leverage in the negotiation first. And the fact of the matter is, he's the first president in decades who's been willing to do that. You don't get anywhere by just asking nicely.
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Bill Maher
And I think that what President Trump.
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Dave Rubin
Did over the last eight days is A, establish the leverage and B, get all these countries to now want to negotiate a new trade deal with the United States. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Why is it that I got this right? Watch our shows from the last three weeks. Why was I not going crazy? Oh, my God. Tariffs were gonna destroy everything. What did I repeatedly say again? I'm not even. I'm literally not patting myself on the back. I guess I am, but I'm not really, because it just seemed obvious, like, do you know anything about Trump? Do you listen to Trump, or have you tracked how Trump behaves over the last decade? Or do you listen to the hysteric mainstream media people? And of course, Sachs is right. You can't get people to negotiate it. Could you just please negotiate with me? I'll be real nice. I'll give you a hand job and some ice cream. That's not what gets people to the table. Well, I guess some people would get them to the table, but not everybody. Okay, not some people would. I mean, a hand job and ice cream, it's not bad. All right, so maybe that wasn't the best example, but you get the point. You get the point. He's absolutely right. And what's beautiful about that clip, the reason I wanna show you is Larry Summers. Larry Summers was head of the treasury under Clinton. All of these bad deals came in under Clinton and under George W. Bush and under Barack Obama. So right there you have him saying it to the face of the very people who created this problem in the first place. So why is it, again, like, I'm not a genius, why is it that I somehow got the tariff situation more correct than Larry Summers and that other Ezra fool over there? Just like these guys, they don't want to fix anything. They just want to pretend that they're nice people with their handjobs and their ice cream. Look at this image. To just prove the point of why we had to do what we did. So right now we know that 70 countries basically are coming in to negotiate these trade deals. Right now. And that's what the pause is about. And that's why the market came back. What this image is showing you here is 2000 up top and 2024 on the bottom. That in the old days, 2000 blue, we were exporting, the United States was exporting to all of these countries, right? Look how blue all of that worldwide map is right there. We were exporting. We used to build things and send them across the country. Not just good ideas, actual physical products and technology, et cetera, et cetera, etcetera. And look how it is in 2024, because 24 years, and it's really more than that. But 24 years of bad trade deals led China to now exporting and creating everything and us all being stuck on the Chinese teat. And that's just not good. Kevin O'Leary, Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank, he's been hammering this home and here he is. We played a clip a couple weeks ago of him talking about how the 124% that Trump wants on China, that's not good enough, he would go to 400%. And here he is pushing that even more. No, Everybody knows the number one destination for the world's capital, more than 50% of it is invested in the United states of America. 49% of all consumption is in the U.S. 26.1% of world GDP is the United States. It is still the number one economy. And now if you're given the opportunity to invest in China, China or the United States, it's a no brainer. Every dollar goes to the US and so while the US has the upper hand, and let's remember something, there's a time bomb here. For Trump, it's the midterm elections. But Xi's got a time bomb too. He's got millions of workers in factories right now. Those products are sitting on ships floating in the ocean because nobody's going to buy them because they don't have a.
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Bill Maher
Big enough economy to consume them.
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Dave Rubin
Only the US can do that. So we've got a little bit of a game here, a little game of chicken. Because Che only gets to stay in power if people have jobs and they can feed their families. He gets a vote every day. If those factory workers have no jobs, they're going to be like a Frankenstein with torches up at the castle. It's going to be brutal and he knows that.
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Bill Maher
So let's have this dance.
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Dave Rubin
Let's go. Now, let's settle this now. 400% tomorrow morning to absolutely lock down zero trade, zero trade until we Solve this. He's really good. There's something, one of the things that I love about people that, that are out there telling the truth is when you could communicate it in a way that everyone understands. Like, it's really, really simple, guys. If we stop buying Chinese crap, all of the stuff that you have in your house that comes from China, much of which we used to make here, or we could just make in other countries, whatever that we have fairer deals with, China needs us. Because if they have ships with stuff and all of the, all of the products ready to roll, those products have to be bought, otherwise they're screwed. And eventually, if those people, if those factories close in China, like our factories closed, then yes, the, the people with pitchforks running to the castle to be like, look at the monster you created. It's, it's Frank. It's an economic Frankenstein. We don't have jobs anymore. They're not selling that crap in China. They're selling it to us at a premium. So we are now in a trade, we're in a trade war with Russia. But what happened over the last couple of days is that the market, the worldwide market realized, oh, Trump laid out this tariff situation. Seventy countries came in, said, let's negotiate. The markets go back up because everyone's like, okay, let's calm down, let's breathe. It was just a negotiating play. Trump got exactly what he wants. And it's better for America because there'll be fairer trade deals. And now, now we're able to see the real enemy in the situation, and the real enemy is China that has been abusing us as far as trade endlessly. Another enemy, I think you could say, is Vladimir Putin. Vladimir Putin went into a sovereign nation, Ukraine, took some of their territory, and there's been an endless boondoggle of a war now for three plus years. But that may be coming to an end, too. Putin met with Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, to discuss a ceasefire. All right, I don't know what they said behind closed doors, but I know that meeting with the guy and saying, we've got to end this thing, there is just endless death on both sides. I mean, there were Russian drones that were blowing up in Ukraine over the weekend and 30 plus people were killed. And it goes both ways and the amount of money we're funneling into it. So things are changing. You might, if you were a decent Democrat, look at the world and be like, boy, our trade situation's getting better. Our boards border situation is getting better. It does look like we're wrapping up the Ukraine thing. Like you might look at all of that and go, this is pretty good. Unfortunately, if you're AOC or Bernie, you're simply not going to do that. Of course, the other thing that we're doing is we're suddenly seeing a somewhat functional, somewhat not fully functional Congress. Check this out from AF post. The House passes the SAVE Act 220 to 208 requiring proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections. What country on earth would not want people to prove that they live in that country legally to be able to vote? This is basic lowest common denominator stuff. Congratulations Congress, you did something. So the SAVE act of course, which as I just said is going to require people to prove that they're citizens to vote. This is like the lowest, it's like the most base level thing you could possibly act. Here's James Carville and James. Poor James is. I think I broke him when I was on real time with him. Honestly, here he is and he doesn't know how old people are are going to be able to vote now.
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Bill Maher
Well, let's talk. It's a massively unnecessary idea. There has been study after study and I mean a lot of studies and good studies to say that the amount.
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Dave Rubin
Of fraud in American elections is almost undetectable.
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Bill Maher
We've looked for that forever. So you ask yourself if somebody, an elderly person doesn't have a driver's license or a married person takes a husband's name, which my wife chose not to, but other people do that's own business. Well, they can't produce a thing saying I'm Jane, Jane Smith, because the birth certificate is Jane Jones. So there's all the other thing is not necessary. Why are we putting another bureaucratic layer to solve a problem that doesn't exist?
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Dave Rubin
Man, he's just such an old blowhard. It's really sad what happens to these guys that that end up going that way. You know, like when you start just being all for party instead of principles. What is he? What elderly person doesn't have a driver's license. It doesn't mean they all drive, but they have some form of identification, right? You everybody does. If they go to the doctor, the doctor asked to see some kind of ID with their insurance, if they get on a plane, etc. Etc. This has been debunked over and over and over again. And also the idea, okay, a woman changes her name because she gets married, you still have documentation of that. Every single thing that they say is a lie. And why is it that they are. Why did two, what was it, 208 Democrats vote against this? Because they want illegals to vote. We know this. Elon's been hitting this. It's why they've imported all. They import these people, they tell these people the system's working against you. But our we're the good Democrats, we'll give you the bare sustenance to live and then you will be a Democrat for life because we just keep you right there. And by the way, you can pick all our crops because we don't want to do that. That we. Jasmine Crockett, we ain't going to do that. Here's Stephen Miller blasting Democrats for opposing the Saved Act. And it's obvious why they're doing it. The only reason, Sean, you would be.
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Bill Maher
Against any of that is if you wanted illegal aliens to vote and to vote in incredibly large numbers.
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Dave Rubin
So let's just deal with all of.
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Bill Maher
This BS right now.
- [74:24]
Dave Rubin
Every other country in the world of any note requires an ID to vote.
- [74:29]
Bill Maher
The notion the Democrats are pushing that.
- [74:32]
Dave Rubin
Married woman who by the way are.
- [74:34]
Bill Maher
A Republican voting demographic, cannot get ID.
- [74:37]
Dave Rubin
Could be one of the dumbest talking points I have heard in my entire life.
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Bill Maher
As you said, the real id, the REAL ID act creates an ID that you can get to the DMV that demonstrates you're a citizen. Democrats want illegal aliens to vote. It's why Joe Biden and his administration gave millions, millions.
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Dave Rubin
We verify this now, millions with an.
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Bill Maher
Of illegal aliens Social Security numbers. And once you have a Social Security number, it is incredibly easy to vote, to collect welfare, to get free government benefits, to participate in every aspect of American life. This isn't a mystery. They want illegals to steal. Election, Sean.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah, guys, it's just not more complicated than that. But you know what? I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I henceforth announced that Dave Rubin fund to get Democrats who don't have id some kind of id. We're going to make some kind of graphic around that that's going to say that and I'm going to put in the first five grand that's official. If you are a Democrat and you are too dumb or stupid or dim witted or old or if you know they say black people can't use computers and they don't have a staples near them or whatever, I will fund your ability to get. I will send. You know what, Connor, I'm tasking you with this. I'm going to send Connor to your house to take you by the arm and you don't want to do that. All right, Joseph. Joseph, would God bless him. He's a little younger. He's still got that. You know, I'm going to send Joseph to your house. He will take you to the proper place to get your id and I will fund the Uber ride. I'll even take you out for lunch if you do not have an id. And what did I say? It's the Dave Rubin Fund for the dim witted, dumb dingbat Democrat douchebag. And that's what we're to do over there. But again, if you want to just see more of how ridiculous these people are, just. I shouldn't even be laughing at this one, but. So you remember Lake and Riley? Lake and Riley was the. Was the beautiful young girl who was murdered by an illegal. What was it about two years ago now. And then, of course, the House actually did pass the Lake and Riley act, which was a wonderful thing that largely got bipartisan support because illegals should not be coming in here in the first place, much less us killing our young women. Democrat from Connecticut. Her name is Representative Johanna Hayes. She voted for the Lake and Riley act, and now she regrets voting for the Lake and Riley act, which was just set up to protect young girls from being killed by illegals. Congratulations, lady.
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Bill Maher
As I've thought about it over the.
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Dave Rubin
Last couple months, I probably would have voted differently.
- [77:11]
Bill Maher
It's a vote that I regret. But.
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Dave Rubin
But coming into this Congress, I trusted that this administration, we would have some.
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Bill Maher
If they wanted to have border security, they wanted to work with Democrats, that we could actually move forward. I'm not really sure of that.
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Dave Rubin
These people just have no idea what they're talking about. What do I always say? Like, they're always making you think the bad guys are the good guys and the good guys are the bad guys. We do have border security right now. This is one of the few things that got bipartisan support that actually made sense to further border security. You regret. You regret it. Like, that girl was murdered in cold blood. So now I want to connect all of this to something that also is happening outside of our borders. Because as we've gotten control of our borders, we're realizing that, you know, America is for Americans. And as I played you that clip before, it's not that America is for Americans that have to be Christian or have to be white. Obviously, we have a wonderful melting pot here. But you have to be into American culture, and American culture is based in freedom and rule of law and respecting your neighbors and a little bit of give and take. Like it's baked into what has made America the greatest country in the history of the world for 250 years. We don't have that all over the world. So now let's jump across the pond to the uk, because the UK has unbelievably massive, massive, massive problems. This is this past weekend. Watch this. As a. As a Syria, I don't know. It's a dozen. Two dozen police officers in London are fleeing from a jihadist mob. So you got a lot of problems. Uk. Every single one of those masked people, they are terrorism supporters. There is not one person out there who is for the Palestinians but would condemn Hamas because they'd be strung up too, and they'd be sent to be in the middle with those police officers. Actually, they'd hate them more because they would be a traitor. Right, so you let terror supporters. There were British people who were killed on October 7th. You let terror supporters overrun your police. And we know this is happening repeatedly and constantly and nobody's doing anything about it. And most likely the good British men that might have stood up for it 20 years ago are probably getting drunk in the pub at this point because they've lost their country. This is. This is a super interesting clip. We've played, I think, a few videos of this guy. He's a Middle east researcher from the United Arab Emirates named Amjad Taha. And here he is talking about how much worse Islamic extremism is in the UK than even in certain parts of the Gulf world, particularly the uae. Take a look.
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Bill Maher
I think you have more extremists in.
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Dave Rubin
UK than you have in the Middle East.
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Bill Maher
The things that some of the Islamists.
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Dave Rubin
Say in various mosques, they would not.
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Bill Maher
Be able to say it all the way in Afghanistan, for example. So how has this been allowed to.
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Dave Rubin
Flourish in the uk? So the Muslim Brotherhood or the radical.
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Bill Maher
Islamists in Small Heath, in Alamra, Birmingham.
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Dave Rubin
And other areas, we saw their voices. It was for Hamas and Hamas.
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Bill Maher
It's actually the armed forces of the Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood in my country, for example.
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Dave Rubin
UAE is banned, but however, it's not banned in the United Kingdom, so it should be banned. Absolutely.
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Bill Maher
They use the freedom of speech to censor your right to speak against them. They use the terminology Islamophobia just to.
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Dave Rubin
Stop you from criticizing the fact that Islamic Relief is registered as a charity.
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Bill Maher
Here, but all the way in Saudi.
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Dave Rubin
Arabia, in UAE is banned because of.
- [80:44]
Bill Maher
The investigation that showed that this charity is sending money all the way to terrorist groups in the Middle East.
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Dave Rubin
Yes. It tells you a lot all right, so the countries that are flourishing in the Gulf, like the uae, are banning these radicals, and yet they are flourishing in the west and the uk. It might just be too late. You have brought in too many people. You have a prime minister who does. Does absolutely nothing. They're using all of your good liberal ideas of tolerance and diversity against you. And yes, he made a great point about how they will basically go after you for exercising your free speech, but never them for exercising their free speech, which I would say borders on something criminal because they're often calling for violence. This video is wild. Here's just an English man. I don't know what this guy woke up thinking in the morning, but this is just an English bloke and he went to one of these Hamas crazy jihadist rallies and here he. And he's trying to, you know, put out some pro UK sentiment. And you're never going to guess who got arrested.
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Bill Maher
Come on, England.
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Dave Rubin
Come on, England. England. Good. Yeah. What's going on? What's going on?
- [82:25]
Bill Maher
What did you do?
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Dave Rubin
Love me for? No, man, there's nothing wrong, man. All right? I don't have all the context to that. I didn't see him doing anything violent. But he's out there, you know, basically getting people to like Britain, like British culture. You've got jihadists out there who will gladly destroy that country. You have then people, the police officers who arrest him for he's just exercising his free speech Beach. They've got bullhorns out there calling for jihad. They've got flags of terrorists and everything else. They're just fine to walk down the street, take over, scare people, make sure that commerce can't exist, et cetera, et cetera. So which way, England? And what this really, to link this to the top of the show? Which way liberals? Which way people that believe in tolerance and diversity. Will you be tolerant of intolerance? And if you will, you will end up beheaded. That's pretty much how it works. Works. Here's British police going after an elderly man because he asked somebody to speak English. Apparently during some conversations between yourself, apparently you've let. You have alleged we weren't here. So I don't know you've said it, but you've alleged to say, speak English.
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Bill Maher
Speak clearly the gentleman's pastor. Ladies.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah, okay. Yeah.
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Bill Maher
So I couldn't even hear. No, and that's fine.
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Dave Rubin
And that's why we've just come to speak, because potentially someone could perceive that as a hate crime. So an elderly man who has a hearing problem asks someone to speak English, and that could be a hate crime. Meanwhile, you have literal Hamas supporters, Hezbollah supporters, terrorism supporters who killed British people. Again, you don't have to care about the Israelis. You don't even have to care about the Jews. They killed British citizens. They're out on the street doing just fine. You're arresting a guy walking down the street like, Britain's cool. I like the U.K. he's in jail. And then you're questioning an elderly man because he asked someone to speak English. I think you've made your choice already. So which way, Western man? Well, here is a British citizen, Piers Morgan, and he was on, as I mentioned, he was on Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday night. And they got into it about some of the deportations that. That Trump has been doing. And I think Piers, Chef, kiss, nailed it.
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Bill Maher
All right, what if I was a young student at Columbia, they're on a green card. British come in, happy to be here, do all my paperwork, get to Columbia, and I start leading a group which is a bunch of white supremacists, and we start terrorizing black students in the way that they are terrorizing Jewish students. Why not? In that circumstance, would we all be as comfortable with this? Or is it the reality which was exposed by the mobs at Columbia, which is that for some reason, Jews get treated differently to anybody else when it comes to this kind of thing? Because if that had been honestly white supremacists treating black students like that, they would be out the country in seven minutes.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah, you're absolutely right. Peers, and we all know it. And yeah, and that's why these people were bright enough to make it about Jews first. They'll come for the white people next. But Trump's finally doing something about it, right? You know it. You know it. Imagine a British. Just lay it out one more time real quick. British student shows up. White British student shows up to Columbia, starts getting a whole bunch of white kids to make sure that black kids can't get on campus or the litany of other things they were doing or taking over buildings, they. They would be out on their ass, and these people would all be for cheering for it. I'm for it. Regardless of the skin color, regardless of the religion or the ethnicity. If you use your free speech to stop someone's free freedom of movement or stop their speech or take over a building or literally, they held a janitor hostage, a Hispanic janitor hostage at Columbia. That's what this is about. So the point, I think, of everything on the show today, and it Was big. This might be our longest show ever. The point of all of this is it is a time right now to think about things a little bit differently. Bill Maher is thinking about things a little bit differently. There's people who are thinking the old way, right, Like Bernie and the AOCs and lefties. They're thinking about everything in the old way. We'll burn it down if we can't have exactly what we want. They'll lie about everything, they'll get everything wrong. And then there's a bunch of people thinking about things in a new way. Oh, we can have trade deals that actually make sense. We can have a border that works. We can have law and order. We can actually protect our minorities when people are infringing on their rights, et cetera, et cetera. And I thought this was a good tweet from Palantir Technologies. Listen to this. College is broken. Skip the debt, skip the indoctrination. Get the Palantir degree. Admissions are based on flawed criteria. Meritocracy and excellence are no longer the pursuits of educational institutions. And chaos has ensued on university campus campuses. Starting today, Palantir is launching a fall fellowship for the best and brightest graduating high school students based solely on merit and academic excellence. Students will be invited for interviews. Select applicants will receive an internship offer at Palantir. Upon completion, successful interns will be offered a full time role. Apply today. So Palantir, if you want to know a bit more on Palantir, I had Peter Thiel on a month or two ago and we've had Joe Lonzell on they talk about it. This is very in line with Peter Thiel's overall philosophy. He started the Thiel Fellowship years ago for kids that didn't want to go to college. But what do you want to do? Think about things in a new way. Whether you're the 17 year old watching this right now and you're about to go to college and you don't know if that college is going to completely indoctrinate you or whatever it might be, or whether you're the 42 year old of a parent who's 16 and you're trying to figure out what you're going to do with your kid and you don't want it. Like there are alternative ways. Try that. Try the field Teal Fellowship. Try what Palantir is doing. Try not sending them to college at all. Give them a gap year. Get an internship. My executive producer was my intern, this guy. You finished college, but the other people back there, they dropped out of college. Like, think about things in a new way. Find new allies, just as Bill Maher did. And let the bad guys go. Let the bad guys go. And that's how we'll enter the golden age. All right. I called it at the top. I'm calling it right now. It was a nine. Nine. We had one prompter problem. I kind of threw one clip backwards. But I'm calling nine nine anyway. But I leave that to you in the comments. You let me know what you think. My full interview with Douglas Murray, whose new book is out this week, is up across platforms right now. We got a post game show in just moments. Rubenreport.locals.com thank you for watching. We will be back tomorrow.