Bill O’Reilly Visibly Shocks Dave Rubin w/ His Dark Prediction for What Happens Next | Bill O’Reilly

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Episode Overview

Title: Bill O’Reilly Visibly Shocks Dave Rubin w/ His Dark Prediction for What Happens Next
Podcast: The Rubin Report
Host: Dave Rubin
Guest: Bill O’Reilly
Date: October 19, 2025

In this episode, Dave Rubin welcomes Bill O’Reilly, renowned broadcaster and bestselling author, to discuss his new book "Confronting Evil," the current state of American politics, the decline of traditional values, and his grim predictions for cities like New York under progressive leadership. O’Reilly offers sharp opinions on criminal justice, political apathy, media integrity, and the future of American cities, frequently referencing historical parallels and his decades of experience covering global events.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The State of New York City & O'Reilly's Dark Prediction

[00:00–01:49, 14:19–17:47]

• NYPD Staffing Crisis & Crime:

  • O’Reilly opens with a dire assessment: NYPD is already "10,000 under what they should be," and predicts a further exodus of 10,000 officers if Mandami, the progressive candidate, wins the mayoralty.
  • He blames current leadership and no-bail policies for creating a "free fire zone on crime."

• Economic Fallout & Mass Exodus:

  • O'Reilly claims real estate prices outside NYC have spiked as residents "get the hell out before he [Mandami] comes in," predicting "a half million will leave the New York City area in four years" due to draconian taxation and collapsing public order.
  • Quote:

    "That flow out I estimate to be at a half million people in four years under Mandami. A half million will leave the New York City area." — Bill O’Reilly [00:00]

2. O'Reilly’s Achievements & Perspective on "Confronting Evil"

[02:00–04:10, 12:16–14:19]

• Publishing Record:

  • O’Reilly proudly notes his 20 number-one bestsellers, surpassing Bob Woodward ("safe at 20").
  • Highlights the changing media landscape: "People don't read nearly as much as they used to."

• "Evil" as a Societal Force:

  • The book explores societal breakdowns driven by evil leaders and ideas; O’Reilly emphasizes its relevance given contemporary global crises and warns "evil is pretty much everywhere now."
  • Notable moment about timing:

    "It's timely because came out September 9th. The next day I got up, Putin's lobbing missiles into Poland." — Bill O’Reilly [04:10]

3. Why Good People Do Nothing & The Rise of Apathetic and Ill-Informed Society

[05:14–09:13]

• Apathy and Stupidity as Social Ailments:

  • O’Reilly: Only 15% are "born bad" but the true crisis is in the 85% who must choose to act.
  • Two main problems:
    1. Apathy: "Overwhelmed...I can't do anything about it."
    2. Stupidity: Not IQ, but lack of seeking knowledge; blames public schooling for not teaching history, civics, or right and wrong.
  • Quote:

    "If you don't seek knowledge, if you don't know anything, then you're going to get it right between the eyes." — Bill O’Reilly [08:16]

• Progressive Movement’s Philosophical Dangers:

  • Accuses the far left of seeking to "destroy all traditions," viewing America as "evil" and excusing criminal behavior as society’s fault.
  • Quote:

    "They punch some old lady in the mouth for drug money. Ah, no, no. Society made them do that." — Bill O’Reilly [06:30]

4. History Lessons & Contemporary China

[09:13–12:16]

• Distinct Evil in History (Mao, Stalin, Hitler):

  • O’Reilly recounts the horrors under Mao: "20 million, many of whom starved to death because of him."
  • Shares a vivid experience meeting Chinese officials to discuss US-China partnership, highlighting Chinese public ignorance of Mao’s crimes.

• Parallels and US-China Relations:

  • Rather than inevitable conflict, O’Reilly sees "detente is possible," noting China’s need for American markets.

5. Moral Authority: Religion, Politics, and Cultural Decay

[12:16–14:19]

• Who Provides Moral Guidance?
  • O'Reilly is skeptical of politicians’ ability to impart morality ("most of them are immoral!") but insists leaders can and should articulate clear behavioral standards.
  • Critiques the withering influence of religion: "Religion has dissipated...a lot of kids don't ever hear about it."

6. The Mandami/Castro Comparison & Predictions for NYC

[14:19–18:17]

• Mandami’s Alleged Radical Agenda:

  • O’Reilly draws a stark parallel: "Mandami is doing the Fidel Castro playbook almost word for word."
  • Predicts sharp increases in crime, collapse of public services, draconian taxation, and a "terrible rise in individual crime and...public depravity, homeless drug addicts running all over the place."

• Unlikely Full Breakdown:

  • O’Reilly refuses to predict outright class warfare, arguing even poor residents desire "social order," but warns of social collapse if trends continue.

7. On Democratic Leadership: Pritzker vs. Newsom

[20:24–24:49]

• Pritzker as "Malevolent":

  • O’Reilly ranks Illinois' J.B. Pritzker above Newsom in destructiveness, stating:

    "Pritzker is so invested in hatred for...anybody who opposes him that he's at a different level...Is Pritzker malevolent? Yes, I can make that call." — Bill O’Reilly [22:10]

• Chicago’s Crisis & Denial:

  • O’Reilly laments persistent violence: "Chicago is 4,000 dead, murdered under his regime, 80% African Americans."
  • Accuses Pritzker and Johnson (Chicago’s mayor) of denial: "They live in a world of denial...It doesn't exist. No, it's not going on."

• Antifa and Portland:

  • Oregon’s “organized anarchy” is cited as a further example of denial among progressive leaders about the true extent of societal breakdown.

8. State of the Media: Old vs. New

[25:14–29:12]

• Decline of Robust Debate:

  • O’Reilly reminisces about the heyday of cable news, where genuine debate was encouraged:

    "My orders were get the smartest person you can get to come up against me because it’s fun to watch that." — Bill O’Reilly [26:35]

  • Contrasts this with today’s echo chambers and banishment of dissenting views on both the left and right.

• Exclusion from Mainstream Media:

  • Complains of being shut out despite bestselling author status:

    "I can’t get on the CBS Sunday Morning program...That’s a form of censorship." — Bill O’Reilly [28:14]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 00:00 | O’Reilly | "The NYPD...is 10,000 light, 10,000 under what they should be." | | 01:49 | Rubin | "Legend, broadcaster Bill O’Reilly. How do you feel about legendary broadcaster Bill O'Reilly?" | | 04:10 | O’Reilly | "The next day I got up, Putin's lobbing missiles into Poland...all this hell would break loose." | | 08:16 | O’Reilly | "If you don't seek knowledge...you're going to get it right between the eyes." | | 15:29 | O’Reilly | "He would confiscate everything you have, Dave, like that if he could." | | 22:10 | O’Reilly | "Is Pritzker malevolent? Yes, I can make that call." | | 26:35 | O’Reilly | "My orders were get the smartest person you can get to come up against me because it’s fun to watch that." | | 28:14 | O’Reilly | "I can’t get on the CBS Sunday Morning program...That’s a form of censorship." |

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Major Segments & Timestamps

• NYC in Decline & Mass Exodus: [00:00–01:49], [14:19–17:47]
• O'Reilly's Book & On Confronting Evil: [02:00–04:10], [12:16–14:19]
• Why Good People Do Nothing: [05:14–09:13]
• Evil in History & China Today: [09:13–12:16]
• Moral Responsibility & Loss of Religion: [12:16–14:19]
• On Mandami and NYC's Future: [14:19–18:17]
• Pritzker vs. Newsom & Progressive Governance: [20:24–24:49]
• Media: Past, Present, and Lost Debates: [25:14–29:12]

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Summary & Takeaways

Bill O’Reilly delivers his signature brand of blunt analysis, combining personal anecdotes, historical parallels, and dark predictions, particularly for cities under progressive governance. He laments the apathy and ignorance of the American public, the retreat of religion and moral authority, and a media environment increasingly hostile to meaningful debate. The episode is a clarion call for vigilance, civic engagement, and a return to tradition, with O’Reilly casting himself as a rare voice willing to "tell you the truth," regardless of popularity or political party.

For listeners seeking candid commentary on the intersection of politics, culture, and history, this episode is classic O'Reilly, unfiltered and stoic, but far from optimistic about what comes next.

Transcript

[Bill O'Reilly]

So the NYPD, and my grandfather was one, is 10,000 light, 10,000 under what they should be. You're going to have another 10,000 out of there that is going to give license to every violent miscreant to do whatever they want to do, which they're pretty much doing now with the no bail law. Okay? And Bragg is the DA and he doesn't prosecute anything, so it's a free fire zone on crime. The other thing is economics. So where I live is just outside the New York City boundary. Real estate in my town has gone up 20%, 20 since Mandani announced, and that's all New York City selling their places, getting the hell out before he comes in. Because what he's going to do is put draconian taxation on everything, not just your income, but everything's going to double because he's going to boom, boom, boom. New York City tax on this, New York City tax on that. And corporations are going can't do it. So they're going to go to Tennessee, Florida, Texas, the Carolinas, and the people who have homes in the five boroughs are moving to Connecticut, Long Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, wherever it may be. So that flow out I estimate to be at a half million people in four years on the Mandami. A half million will leave the New York City area.

[Dave Rubin]

All right. Joining me today is the host of no Spin News and legend, broadcaster Bill O'Reilly. How do you feel about legendary broadcaster Bill O'Reilly?

[Bill O'Reilly]

One step from the grave, that's what that is. You know, icon, legendary. That means we know he's not going to be around much longer. We'll be nice to him.

[Dave Rubin]

Ah, also Long island guy. My parents always see you at the beaches of Long island, at those restaurants, on the water. So you're living the good life. Come on.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, we work very hard, though. I've been in this business 50 years. 5, 0. And I'm working as hard today as I've ever worked. So there's a lot of stuff going on.

[Dave Rubin]

And for people that don't know this, I've mentioned this a couple times. When I've had you on the first television show I ever did. You were number one. You were the number one show in late. Well, you were the number one show in cable news history at the time. And you had some kid named Dave Rubin on about 15 years ago, literally the first TV appearance I ever made. So I always thank you for that. Let's dive in, because how many books is this for you? Do you even know what this point how many books you've written?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, we've had 20 number one bestsellers running. Evil Open opened up number one on the New York Times list. That makes 2. 0. 20. And that's a. A world record that'll never be broken. It's not that I'm so great, it's just that people don't read nearly as much as they used to. The second guy who's behind me is Bob Woodward. He's had 14 non fiction number ones. So I think we're safe at 20 evil doing really, really well. Not a gentle book, not an Oprah recommendation book. You'll learn a hell of a lot if you read it, that's for sure. And people need to know that evil is pretty much everywhere now.

[Dave Rubin]

All right, well, I want to spend most of the time talking about the book and then we'll get to a couple of the issues of the day. I would say you're probably right that no one will beat the 20 because New York Times probably will not even exist as an institution in a couple of years from now. So just the math doesn' even work out for anyone to beat you. But Confronting Evil, I thought the title is great. It's clean, it's straightforward, and. And the book is about how societies basically fall to the wrong people, the wrong ideas. Kind of timely relative to, say, a New York City mayor who's a communist about to take over.

[Bill O'Reilly]

It's timely because came out September 9th. The next day I got up, Putin's lobbing missiles into Poland. Putin's on a cover with Mao Zedong and Hitler and Ayatollah. And then four hours later, Charlie Kirk's assassinated. And when I was doing interviews in support of the book, people going, that's just eerie. Your book would come out and the next day all of this stuff, all this hell would break loose. And it struck me hard because I'm not Nostradamus. But I did put this book on the board a year ago because our books take a year to research and write. Because I saw the elevation of evil not only in America, but all around the world. And that good people were looking away. They didn't want to get involved. Once that happens, and it happened in the 1930s, here they come. And very, very hard to stop evil once it gets established.

[Dave Rubin]

So that actually was the next question I wanted to ask you. The good people looking away portion. So much of what is evil now seems to have burst forth and be fairly obvious to, I think, people on our side of the aisle. But what would you say? What Is the marker for the people that just think it's gonna pass by them? Is that just built into humanity, that it's just like, ah, bad things are happening? I'll just bury my head in the sand and keep going? Or do you think there's something.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah, yeah. The mentality is not going to happen to me. So I can build a wall, a bubble, and I can live in that, and then they're not going to get me. And why do I want to get involved with some messy thing down the block or some neighbor who's selling narcotics or. But it always going to get you. We can't avoid evil. No human being does. Everybody gets it, but you can mitigate it if you recognize it. And what I'm seeing in America is this. We have now a political movement, the progressive movement, the far left movement that wants to destroy all traditions in America. They believe we're a racist country and we're evil. But the United States is evil because of slavery and because of Jim Crow. And the white guys have all the power. You heard it. It goes on and on. Okay, so they said, you're gonna blow it all up. All right, this is Mandani. And then we'll start over again. We'll let all the criminals out because it's not their fault. They punch some old lady in the mouth for drug money. Ah, no, no. Society made them do that. Not. They didn't. So he can't be punishing them. All right, so then when you get kind of that misguided philosophy and you get it into the mass media, which is now easy to do because of this. Yeah, that's what happened to Charlie Kirk. All right, you got a problem.

[Dave Rubin]

So when you're.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The good, people have to be more assertive.

[Dave Rubin]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Is.

[Dave Rubin]

Is the problem that the. The average good person, it just never happens until it's too late. You know, there's always a couple people raising.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Yeah. Not everybody, but a lot of people are apathetic. There's two divisions of people who aren't. I put the level of evil in this world at 15% of 15% of people just born bad. That's Cain and Abel in Genesis. That. That story is there for a reason. In the Bible, 15% are evil. They're going to hurt you, and they're not going to feel bad about hurting you. The other 85, they got a decision to make. Am I going to be good or am I going to sit it out? Okay. More and more people are sitting it out for two reasons. In the United States, number One is apathy. They're just apathetic. It's like overwhelmed. I can't do anything about it. I got to do what I got to do. And so what if that happens? And the other is stupidity, and I use stupidity as a blanket word. You may not be stupid, IQ wise, but if you don't seek knowledge, if you don't know anything, then you're going to get it right between the eyes. And public schools do not teach history or civics. They don't teach right or wrong at all. They're woke, they're pushing stuff that's insane. And these students are hearing all this garbage and they're not hearing a counter to it. And I believe one of the reasons that I've been so successful as a best selling non fiction author on earth is because I am a counter to it. I will tell you the truth. I'm not an ideologue. I don't, I don't bother with parties, but I, I do bother with fact finding and telling. You here's really what's, what's true. You don't get that in schooling. So therefore these kids get out in the real world, they don't know anything.

[Dave Rubin]

So, so speaking of fact finding, what, while doing the research, and I'm sure you had a good team with you that was, you know, diving into some of the historical stuff here. Was there anything that really shocked you about any of these regimes and these, these bad guys and bad ideas that come? Or is there, or is it just sort of a consistent theme of sort of collectivism and centralized power? Or was there something that really jarred you as you guys were doing the research?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, every book I've written, I've learned an enormous amount about the subject. But I've been around. I've been to 86 countries, covered four wars. I've seen evil up close. I know what it is. So I wasn't stunned in the general sense, but when you look at Mao Zedong and what he did to his own people, 20 million, many of whom starved to death because of him. And when I was invited to go to Beijing in May to address the Chinese government over there, and they invited me because of YouTube, because they watch me and they know that I have access to President Trump and that I am not a BSer and they wanted to ask me questions. So I did fly over at my own expense. I brought my 21 year old political science major son with me and we spent three hours with the Politburo. But while I was in Beijing, there are pictures of Mao Zedong all over the place. Did you imagine if an American killed 20 million Americans?

[Dave Rubin]

Right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

I don't think his picture's gonna be everywhere, so. But the Chinese people have no clue, no idea what happened. They have no access to the Internet, no access to accurate history. They know the government hates, and they know what the government wants them to think. And they know if they don't think that, they can get in serious trouble fast.

[Dave Rubin]

So where do you think we are? This is a slight sidebar, then, but in that you were just there, where do you think we're at with China at the moment?

[Bill O'Reilly]

I think Dayton is possible. They would have invited me over there if there was a hard line drawn and they wanted conflict. They got 1.5 billion people to feed, and they don't have 401ks, Dave. They're not going to Vegas. Okay? I mean, it's. It's. It's subsistence. They got to eat every day. They need our markets. Chinese is an export economy. They have to sell their hats and shirts here.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

So they need us. So they want to find some way to coexist. But I elevated it. So you should be our partner. We and I actually had a written thing. I gave them Partnership for Peace and Prosperity between China and the United States. And it wouldn't. We are not going to change them, and Trump doesn't care about that anyway. But if we, the two most powerful nations, would join together, we could fight a lot of evil. I mean, Chinese have stopped the shenanigans, but I think they would, given the right incentives.

[Dave Rubin]

You talk in the book, you talk a bit about the moral struggle between good and evil. And I'm wondering, in a time where we're all on this thing, where we're all being hit with Instagram, TikTok, all the crazy stuff that's coming through in the gender confusion and everything else, where do you think Americans should be getting a moral? Well, let's ask it this way. Do you think politicians have any responsibility to be giving a moral. Moral guidance, or should that purely be coming from. From, like, a religious perspective?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, I can't give moral guidance because most of them are immoral, so how can they do that? But they can certainly lay out standards of behavior, and that is very important in the public arena, because, look, in New York City, where I am, you can sell heroin, fentanyl on the street. Nobody's going to arrest you. And even if they do take you in, you can get prosecuted. That's flat out wrong. You're selling poison to people you're killing people, enslaving people, children are getting abused, and you're not going to do anything about it. Come on. That's the kind of stuff where politicians have to get loud. And most of them are cowards. And it's like the cleric. So I'm Catholic. I still go to church every Sunday. And when I was in Catholic school, there was a clear right and wrong. Okay, you do this, you go to heaven, you do this. Gonna be a little hot for you, God. Okay, that's gone. So religion is dissipated to a stunning degree. And a lot of kids don't ever hear about it. They don't know what the Bible is, they don't know what. But standards of behavior that is easily imparted by politicians and clerics, but a lot of them are just afraid to do it.

[Dave Rubin]

So since you mentioned you are in New York City and mom, Dhommi, a guy who I think is replicating a lot of the ideas that some of the people you've written about in the book brought to fruition, how bad do you think New York City will actually get if he becomes mayor?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, Mandami is doing the Fidel Castro playbook almost word for word. So you remember in the late 1950s, there was a dictator running Cuban named Batista. You saw the Godfather 2 and that was pretty accurate. Batista's in pocket of the Mafia, organized crime, horrible, horrible. And the Cuban people had nothing. Castro's charismatic guy, he's got the little beret, comes in and says, look, I'm getting this guy out of here. We're going to have a fair economy. We're all going to be better. Vote for me. And you really don't have to vote because we're going to take it over. We got more guns now, and that's what Castro did. Mandami, I think, has studied Castro's speeches because the same patterns are in play. Oh, I'm not a communist. Oh, no, no, no. I'm a democratic socialist. Bunch of crap. He would confiscate everything you have, Dave, like that if he could.

[Dave Rubin]

I agree.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Okay, all right. That's what he wants. He wants to confiscate private property. He wants the government to run everything and to give to the have nots or whatever it may be. Okay, if he's elected, then two things happen right away. The police department dissolves, because even now, many, many experienced officers are retiring, looking for other work. They're. They're trying to get out.

[Dave Rubin]

They're down here with us in Florida, Bill. That's where they've all come.

[Bill O'Reilly]

There's a lot of people going to Florida. So the NYPD, and my grandfather was one, is 10,000 light, 10,000 under what they should be. You're going to have another 10,000 out of there that is going to give license to every violent miscreant to do whatever they want to do, which they're pretty much doing now with the no bail law. Okay? And Bragg is the DA and he doesn't prosecute anything, so it's a free fire zone on crime. The other thing is economics. So where I live is just outside the New York City boundary. Real estate in my pound has gone up 20%, 20 since Mandani announced. And that's all New York City selling their places, getting the hell out before he comes in. Because what he's going to do is put draconian taxation on everything, not just your income, but everything's going to double because he's going to boom, boom, boom, boom. New York City tax on this, New York City tax on that. And corporations are going, can't do it. So they're going to go to Tennessee, Florida, Texas, the Carolinas, and the people who have homes in the five boroughs are moving to Connecticut, Long Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, wherever it may be. So that flow out I estimate to be at a half million people in four years. Under Mandami, a half million will leave the New York City area and take.

[Dave Rubin]

The tax money with them, which then will only further, only further create people. What do you think about the class welfare or the class warfare problem that it will also create? To me, this ends. This will end sort of like the ends of Gangs of New York or the end of Dark Knight Rises, where. Why wouldn't the poor people of downtown be ransacking the Upper east side and the Upper west side and taking back what is, you know, rightfully theirs?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Do.

[Dave Rubin]

Do you see that it will, or do you. Would you predict that it would end in that type of violence?

[Bill O'Reilly]

That would be irresponsible to predict that with the diminished police presence possible. But I. I wouldn't predict it. Social order is something that most people want. Even poor people want it. They don't want to have to go out and fear for their lives and their children can't even go to school. So if I had a bet, I would say that would not happen. What will happen is a terrible rise in individual crime and a depravity, public depravity, homeless drug addicts running all over the place, you name it. That'll rise to record levels so quality of life will just fall apart. What do you think the scenario, what.

[Dave Rubin]

Do you think Mom Dhami really wants? If we were really trying to steel man his arguments the best we could, what do you think he is actually trying to accomplish in New York City?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, he wants power and that's a commonality of all politicians. They want power. But he's only 33 years old. I wouldn't even put him in charge of a Burger King.

[Dave Rubin]

Right, right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Because he's not. And the reason I'm not saying that for, because he's a communist or whatever. There's some brilliant communists, but he doesn't have any record of being able to achieve anything. So you and I have achieved, Reuben O'Reilly. We've achieved, all right. We've done stuff that's been successful. It's come out of our operation, our heads, and it's worked. What does Mandani does?

[Dave Rubin]

He's been a marginal legislator in Albany. That's it. And his mom's rich.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You could be selling hot dogs and be a marginal legislature.

[Dave Rubin]

Right, right, right.

[Bill O'Reilly]

You don't need a PhD. All you need is a car to show up. These are brilliant people up there in Albany.

[Dave Rubin]

So let me ask you this. Let's leave New York for a moment because you've had some interesting comments. We've been playing a lot of clips of J.B. pritzker lately and I've been very critical of him, but I don't think it's quite reached the level of critical that you've been hitting this guy on you. You, if I'm not mistaken, think he is worse than Newsome. Is that correct? Newsome I basically think is the devil incarnate. I don't know if you've ever heard me go off on him. So sell me why J.B. pritzker is worse. And remember, I left California basically single handedly because of that guy. Explain how he is worse.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, Newsom is an opportunist and he sold his soul for power and he is a destructive force in California, but he's not totally irrational. You can have a conversation with Newsom. Pritzker is so invested in hatred for not only Trump but anybody who opposes him that he's at a different level. Now. Newsom can get hateful, but Pritzker lives there. Now Pritzker knows that he's failed across the board. In Illinois, people leaving the state, Chicago is 4,000 dead, murdered under his regime, 4,080% African Americans. Trump called him about a week ago, maybe 10 days ago and said, look I want you to call out the guard, the governor of Illinois, and let's work together. I'll send in the feds, the FBI, we'll come down, flood the zone in the south side where the murders, most of them, are taking place. You use the state, I'll use the feds, we'll wipe it out. That's what Trump did, and Pritzker gave him the finger. Now, remember, Pritzker has not solved anything. He has allowed this carnage to take place for six years. The drug gangs control those neighborhoods, totally control them. And now he's lashing out against Trump as Hitler. Trump. Is this Trump? Is that. Because Pritzker knows that it's his failure that has caused all of this. So I place him at another level, above a Newsom, who's basically a guy who, you know, he wants to be president. He'll say whatever he has to say to get there. Is he malevolent? I can't make that call. Is Pritzker malevolent? Yes, I can make that call.

[Dave Rubin]

What do you think a guy like Pritzker is thinking when he sees the numbers? I mean, you're right about the 4,000. In six years, it's 7,000. In 10 years, I mean, that's 700 dead people in Chicago.

[Bill O'Reilly]

7,000.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah. It's just insane. I mean, what. When him and Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago, sit down, do you think they. I mean, this is sort of an offshoot of their earlier question, but do you think they think they are doing a good job? What do they think is happening there?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, they live in a world of denial. So anything that doesn't fit into their preconceived notions, people believe what they wanna believe. And so they're never gonna admit to themselves that they're failures, ever. It's always gonna be somebody else's fault. Or it doesn't. It doesn't exist. No, it's not going on. It's like Oregon. That's what they do in Portland. Even though Portland, I worked there as an anchorman. They have a base, an antifa base there. And antifa is basically. They're different from the street criminals. They want to blow the whole thing up. Does it? They want.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Portland is ground zero for them. That's where they live now. They don't have a building. You can't go into, like, the Knights of Columbus. You can't go into the antifa building. Lunch. All right? But they are there. Okay. And then you say to the governor of Oregon, hey, you got a big problem with these People, they're organized and a lot of them are being paid to go out and store up anarchy. And the government goes, no, they're not. What are you doing?

[Dave Rubin]

It's incredible. I know. They don't want you to see what you can see right before your eyes.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right. And there have been reported a guy named David Nig Ng did a big thing, unbelievably well documented about how this whole thing, this antifa thing works. And. But as a governor go, no, no, it's not here. What are you going to do then? There's nothing you can do.

[Dave Rubin]

I know you're on limited time, so let me just ask you one other. Let's hit one other topic. Just the general state of media at the moment. As a guy that was the king of cable news, which. Is that what the commercial said? The commercial said the king of late. No, what was it? What'd they call you? What were all the commercials?

[Bill O'Reilly]

King of cable.

[Dave Rubin]

We were. Yeah. So that stuff. And you had it for years and years and years and years now. And now you're doing the online thing, obviously very successfully. What do you make of the general state of our media, new media versus old media? Do you think old media has any value left? Are there holes in new media? What's your general take?

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, it's a generational thing. So if you're over 70 years old, you consume what they call linear television. So you have the clicker, you have the martini, eight o', clock, you want to watch Jesse Waters or whoever you want to watch, that's what you do. All right, so it's 70 to death. Is watching network and cable in prime time below 70? Very, very few. And the younger it goes, the fewer are watching. And that's not going to change. And the reason it's not going to change is because network and cable news is essentially dull. It's boring. When I did the Factor and we were number one for 16, we had the highest ratings ever and nobody will ever top them. It's like the number one bestsellers. I wanted people who were smart to oppose me on whatever the subject was. My orders were get the smartest person you can get to come up against me because it's fun to watch that.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Now the toughest question is, tell me more. Did they bring in people who agree with them? And by, you know, 20 minutes in, you're like this.

[Dave Rubin]

And by the way, to that point, when, when you had me on the. For, I ended up being on a couple times, but when you had me on the first. But it was to debate you. It was about something about Chick Fil a going to Chicago or something. And yeah, and we debated. I mean, and it got a little hostile, but it's, it's all good.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Well, we didn't like hostility and that a lot of that was my fault. I might get a little exuberant sometimes as I get older. I've moderated that a little bit.

[Dave Rubin]

Only if the prompter is not working. Only if the prompter is not working. We've all seen the video.

[Bill O'Reilly]

The problem is not working. You got a problem with me. But anyway, what I brought and what was in vogue for a while was really robust debate done. Replaced by nothing. And that is why all of the media, television media and the newspapers have declined. Because not only do they not seek posing points view, they're exclusionary. So I'm the best selling non fiction author in the world. I can't get on the CBS Sunday Morning program.

[Dave Rubin]

Yep.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Even though I would deliver much higher ratings than they have. The books are selling millions of copies. But Jane Pauley won't put me on. Now. That's a form of censorship and it's certainly not freedom of the press. They don't do it. Even a guy like Jon Stewart has changed a little bit. You know, me and him, legendary. Oh, yeah. Debates and fabulous. You don't see him do that much anymore. Okay. And you know, I'm giving him jazz about it. So I think that the nation is lesser because of this exclusion of an appointing opposing point of view. And they do it on the right too. Right. When I hear their own, you know, it's like a cast, the same people every night. You know, how many times are you going to say at the end of the day, you know, it's up to like 10,000 a week now.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, then we have our work cut out for us. My last question is this. Has Waters ever credited you for all of his mannerisms? Yes, he has. Okay, because. Oh, okay, okay, good. Because every time I'm on the show with him, I'm like, he knows he's doing a Bill O'Reilly impression.

[Bill O'Reilly]

Right. He's very respectful. Okay, good. He knows that. He. Look, I trained a lot of people at Fox, a lot of the producers behind the scenes and they, you come through me. You're a Navy Seal. You get through my. It's rigorous here. This is how you do it. You mentioned, top of the interview, the research that we did for confronting evil. You're not going to get research like that anywhere else. And you got to be disciplined. To get it, you got to know how to present it. And so if you get through me, if you have me on your resume, you're going to get a good job because people know that they. You know what you're doing. So Waters, I'm happy for his success. He's a talented television guy. The older women love him. I said, look, I mean, if you.

[Dave Rubin]

Apparently, his mom's not so thrilled with him, but the other women. I guess the other women really love him. Bill, it's a pleasure as always. Let me get this all correct. 20 number one bestsellers, 16 years number one cable news, multiple time Rubin Report. Pretty good, man.

[Bill O'Reilly]

We're very fortunate. We work hard and I appreciate you having me on. Dave, have fun in Australia. That should be a very interesting experience for you. And if you learn anything down here, let me know. I'll put you on the no Spin news.

[Dave Rubin]

Absolutely.

[Bill O'Reilly]

All right.

[Dave Rubin]

I'll see you on the other side. Thanks, Bill.