Jillian Michaels (1:27)

Yeah, I don't even think I look good in this shirt, but it's the. It's the closest thing I had. My wife's like, are you gonna wear that? I'm like, I think I have to. I didn't have time to get one of those bad sweaters, so kind of have, like, a bad Banana Republic shirt. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but. Sorry, go on.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (1:44)

Paige is definitely signaling Christmas, though. It says Christmas.

Sage Steele (1:48)

I mean, Dave. Dave looks like he's unbuttoning a shirt here on.

Dave Rubin (1:51)

I was buttoning up a little more so you'd see a little more shirt, but this is basically. Well, I've got some Christmasy colors here. And this is mostly. If you wanted to know what Dav Rubin looked like in college at SUNY Binghamton in the late 90s in New York. This was it. This is all. I just wore a flannel shirt, white T shirt, four straight years. That was it.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (2:10)

You know what? I did that, too.

Dave Rubin (2:15)

Although you were there a little before me. But you were in that area, too. Yeah.

Sage Steele (2:19)

Yeah.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (2:19)

It's sort of a velvet coat. It's the most festive thing I own.

Jillian Michaels (2:25)

Yeah, it's sleek I like it a lot. You know, I would be drinking if Dave had sent me a bottle of his tequila.

Dave Rubin (2:31)

But who's in charge of sending big celebrities the tequila?

Jillian Michaels (2:35)

I'm confused.

Dave Rubin (2:37)

All right, I don't know who's in charge of that? Oh, look, There you go.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (2:40)

Look at that.

Sage Steele (2:41)

Oh, my God.

Jillian Michaels (2:42)

Now I'm pissed.

Dave Rubin (2:43)

Yeah. Showing up, Jillian. Showing up to the Rubin Report holiday party has its benefits.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (2:49)

Okay, I know.

Sage Steele (2:53)

Listen, I want you to know, Jillian, that your wife said. Are you wearing that? My daughter, the 19 year old's here. And she's like, are you serious? I'm like, yeah, babe, absolutely serious. You know, I'm an idiot. You've known this from day one. Why are you surprised? And I follow orders when it comes to holiday season.

Jillian Michaels (3:10)

As a heart attack. Hell yeah.

Sage Steele (3:13)

And plus, you have to balance it out because this doesn't look like Christmas behind me. Good luck.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (3:18)

I know.

Sage Steele (3:18)

Kind of a nice little balance. So, listen, I'm super excited about this show because unlike last week's show where it was very serious and very serious topics and kind of depressing, we are going to close out the year 2025 on a high note and reflect. Is that a fair way to encompass what this is about to be?

Dr. Drew Pinsky (3:36)

Yes.

Jillian Michaels (3:37)

A hundred percent, yes.

Dave Rubin (3:38)

Let's do it. Let's do it.

Sage Steele (3:39)

Okay, so we're each going to have our turn as usual, but it's going to be super fun this time. I am going to kick us off with a little bit of a poem. And no, I did not write it. I can't take credit for that. It's really good. So you'll know for sure that I.

Jillian Michaels (3:53)

Did not write it.

Sage Steele (3:54)

But are we ready for the 2025 pop culture recap poem? Pop culture. Okay, 100%. Listen up. I'm gonna need your genuine reaction afterwards. Here we go. They said TikTok would be banned one day. January came, it stayed anyway. Lobaboo dolls with teeth and glare sold out fast and everywhere. Celebrities flew to space for fun came back memes when the trip was done, Sydney Sweeney sold blue jeans, turned one ad into cultural scenes. Taylor Swift got engaged at last to headline that traveled lightning fast. Jimmy Kimmel left the screen, came back quick, the gap unseen. That was the year strange but true. A full rewind of 2025 just for you.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (4:38)

Who wrote that? It's pretty good.

Dave Rubin (4:42)

That was incredible. Whoever wrote that deserves a pull.

Jillian Michaels (4:46)

It's a bottle of Dave's tequila. I think that's what I.

Sage Steele (4:49)

It is kind of true, though, when you think about I mean, just those examples there. Right. And I had forgotten about those idiots going into space. Like, how did, how did we allow them. Sorry. I'm sure they're nice humans. I mean, some of them. Like, what, what was that? Yes. Taylor Swift about broke the Internet when she got engaged to Travis Kelce. And I think that the wedding has been set at her home in New England. And, and what else? I mean, from the musical side, from the political side, we saw a lot of that Jimmy Kimmel. That was kind of gross. And he just came back as if nothing ever happened. I don't know that we'll ever fully be able to encompass what this year was. Obviously, personally had reasons too, but there was a lot.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (5:32)

Did you see Rachel's text? ChatGPT wrote that post, Wrote that.

Sage Steele (5:37)

Oh, really?

Dr. Drew Pinsky (5:39)

I think that's just terrible. That worked. That sounds like 2025.

Jillian Michaels (5:44)

It sure does. ChatGPT also wrote, like, the number one country song, Breaking Rust. It's like Walk My Walk.

Sage Steele (5:51)

Have you heard it?

Jillian Michaels (5:51)

It's terrifyingly good. There's a few like, AI, you know, this you'd expect, but it's pretty staggering. Anyway, I went off piece. Forgive me. That was, that was very, well, very well done, Sage.

Dave Rubin (6:08)

Well, Sage, could I ask you to repeat one word there? The first word of the third line. Could you just repeat that again? Can you just repeat that again for me, please?

Sage Steele (6:18)

Did I, I don't think I said it right.

Dave Rubin (6:20)

Well, can you just say what you said? I'm gonna say it the way I've heard it be said and then maybe we can figure it out. We have people of.

Sage Steele (6:27)

Did I say, Did I say lababoo?

Dave Rubin (6:31)

Yeah, I think it's a labubu.

Jillian Michaels (6:33)

I know where to go for help.

Sage Steele (6:34)

Hold on.

Dave Rubin (6:36)

I think it's a labubu. You know about these Labuboo? It is a laboon.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (6:40)

Yeah, I only know about it I, Anything obscure cultural. I know about because of South Park.

Dave Rubin (6:47)

Oh, they had, they had Labubus on South Park?

Dr. Drew Pinsky (6:50)

Yeah, the guy, the, the, the gentleman that owns the, the sushi. No, the, what is it? A wok or whatever in the shitty PA town. He's now turned it into a, into a Japanese, like, tchotchke store.

Jillian Michaels (7:03)

You guys did good. I, I, I, I've gone to the, to my wife who knows what this is. Okay, babe, can you guys hear. Tell everybody what a labubu is.

Sage Steele (7:13)

Lavaboo.

Jillian Michaels (7:14)

Lavaboo. Lavaboo. What the hell is it, baby?

Sage Steele (7:19)

What is that?

Jillian Michaels (7:20)

Well, hold on.

Sage Steele (7:21)

Does no one know what it is?

Jillian Michaels (7:23)

I. Who Drew kind of knows what it is.

Dave Rubin (7:27)

Well, I know what it is. I've seen a label. My niece has a Labubu toy character.

Sage Steele (7:32)

That they sell out of Palmart. And it's become this insane, almost like super cliche. Everyone puts them on their bags and they have. I mean the guy. This is like a billion dollar business. The guy made out of these characters.

Jillian Michaels (7:50)

Do you own a Labubu, honey?

Sage Steele (7:53)

No.

Jillian Michaels (7:54)

Okay, well, thank you so much.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (7:56)

Park insisted that the Labubus were a, some sort of. You had some sort of devil worship associated with them.

Dave Rubin (8:04)

God.

Jillian Michaels (8:05)

Thank God we don't own a Labubu. Oh my gosh. All right. Definitely not going in the kids stockings.

Dave Rubin (8:11)

The labubu. My 10 year old niece, I went over to my sisters and she was talking about the Labubu and she, she has one Labubu because they can be insanely, insanely expensive. And yeah, they put them on their bags and I guess on their jeans and whatever. But you know, a little doll like this, that when we were kids it would have been a three dollar doll. But what it is, is like when I was, I don't know what, sixth, seventh grade, or maybe it was fifth grade, everyone wanted Cabbage Patch Kids. You guys remember when that went absolutely insane and mothers were beating the crap out of each other at malls so that the kids could get a Cabbage Patch Kid? That, that at least was a doll. I must have been younger than that. Maybe second grade, I don't even remember. But it's basically become the modern Cabbage Patch Kid.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (8:52)

Or, or, or a doll Pokemon kind of thing. It's a collectible.

Dave Rubin (8:56)

Exactly.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (8:56)

And six, seven.

Jillian Michaels (9:00)

Oh snap. Dr. Drew. Wow. Are we moving on from the Boo Boo's predictions? I just, I want to know how long we're going to linger on this.

Sage Steele (9:10)

The fact that the only thing Reuben pointed out about that great read was my mistake.

Jillian Michaels (9:18)

Looking in the monitor at this shirt makes me want to go change. Like I don't know if I'm going to be able to get through this in there.

Sage Steele (9:24)

Like you're, if I'm wearing this, you're staying in that.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (9:27)

Did, did we, did we all. Let's ask this. Do we all have a good 20, 25? It was a weird year, I gotta admit. Very strange year. But, but do we, we. Was it a good year? It's hard to tell, right?

Dave Rubin (9:38)

Well, you, it depends if you're asking like state of the world or, or personally or whatever. Like personally, this was a great year for me. Like, like, you know, the kids at this age going from 2 to 3 is such an incredible age as you. The words start bursting and the sense of humor and all that kind of stuff, and just, you know, that I can show them my toys from when I was a kid now, and they're into it, and, like, all that stuff's great. So I always tell people, like, what goes on here in my little castle is amazing. The state of the world I've never been more concerned about. So that. That's one thing I'm always grappling with. It's why I like doing this with you guys, because it's like, we talk about heavy stuff, all of us, in our own little avenues when we're doing our. Our other gigs. And then. And then we get to come here and kind of, like, hash out some other things together. So I. Yeah. I would also say that at 49 years old, the years are going by way quicker. Like, it feels like it was New Year's three weeks ago. Like, it's just. And then, obviously, there were just crazy things that happened this year between. You know, obviously, Charlie being killed was the. Was the main one, but it's just. It was a. It was a weird year. And I. I would say in terms of western civilization, it's ending particularly weirdly. But my little fiefdom over here is pretty good. What about you, Drew?

Dr. Drew Pinsky (10:53)

We're good. I have a granddaughter now, a grandson coming, and that's, you know, when you can engage with the next generation. It really makes everything meaningful. Frankly, nothing's more important than that. And then, yeah, I have the same experience, which is. It's. You know, I sort of see the whole world now as pre Covid and post Covid, and as we move away from COVID I feel like we're coming back to reality. Like, reality is reasserting itself, but, boy, it's doing it in a very strange, jerky kind of way. And I look forward to us all being back in reality. That would be nice.

Dave Rubin (11:28)

I know Sage Steele had a great year.

Sage Steele (11:30)

I did. I did. I didn't think I'd be. I mean, a year ago, I had just met my current husband, so there you go. Like, let's go. What the hell? You know, it sounds. You guys know me well enough. Oh, hi. We had a fun wedding. Did we not?

Dave Rubin (11:52)

Your. Your other Dave.

Sage Steele (11:54)

My other day. There's a lot of days in my life, you know, I. Obviously, that was such a blessing and to be able to have an opportunity to start over again at 50. I'm now 53, so I got married at 52. And with my kids there, that's not. You know, with divorce, it's not. There's so much bad. And then you see this one silver lining, one of, I guess, many, where it's like, gosh, my kids were old enough not just to be there, to witness this second chance and to hear the vows and to see the love and the transformation, the evolution, like, to. They felt it, and hopefully they take this forward into their lives with their decisions, with partners in the future, you know, so, like, that was beautiful. The health of my parents, which has been a tough year with that, tough ending to the year with that, but they got to be there to witness it. So I'm just so grateful for so much. And I think back to how the year began with the inauguration. I mean, not only, yeah, it was freaking cold, as, you know what, but, like, I remember just being in awe, being there. And, like, look at what we did just by having conversations and talking and communicating and evolving with our opinions, which we'll talk about later on this show. But, like, to think about how much our world has changed since January 20th. Thank God. You know, with a lot of work to be done, but I cannot imagine what 2025 would have been like had the other person on the ticket won.

Jillian Michaels (13:28)

Yeah, I would just simply echo what Dave said. Like, I love my family. I adore my kids. Little overwhelmed with the state of the world, but I am. Gosh, guys, every interview is, like, stepping into the octagon, you know, every time. And, like, I don't even do anything, and I go viral. I literally do nothing. And it's. It's. It's been just a weird year in that way. But having said that, I'm exceptionally grateful for the time. It's like, the only time where you don't even have to. I don't even do my homework because I know that if I make a mistake, I'm amongst friends who will gently correct me or educate me. And it's the ultimate safe space. I'm so grateful for that. And I'm so grateful, as mentioned, for my wife, my family, my brother, my children.

Sage Steele (14:25)

So. Can I just say, like, I hope you take this the right way. Like, when we met about a year and a half ago in Los Angeles when you did my show, I just started off, and the. I don't know, you've just put yourself out there so much and taken a beating in some crazy ways, but you've stood out for yourself and you've stood by the why behind your thought processes and your decisions. And I'VE I guess, probably been on the right longer than you. And not that you are the right. I'm just saying, you know, with certain opinions. I just want you to know that for as much hate as you get for going into the Octagon and for going on Piers Morgan, all of us. And same with you, Drew. I don't know. I'm just so proud of you, and I hope you take that the right way. Not in a motherly way, but really hard. I think the key is when you are just true to yourselves with whatever that is. Even if we don't agree on something on this show, you're true to yourself. It ends up being easier. But you're such an example. And there's so many, so much more good when you speak the truth. There's so many more good people who agree with you actually than the opposite. They're just the sane ones who stay quiet. You know what I mean? And I just, I'm just really proud. Like, the, the change that you have made in the last year alone is incredible.

Jillian Michaels (15:47)

Well, first of all, that means the world to me. And, you know, if I could also. Sage, I. And again, I hope this comes out the right way. There have been moments where I get a little bit alarmed at, at some of the, the more kind of alt right positions, and I'm like, oh, man, this is getting a little scary. You know, maybe. Maybe like being, being gay.

Sage Steele (16:13)

I'm like.

Jillian Michaels (16:13)

And I, I would never, like, I'm not trying to play victim, but there's. It's becoming really unpopular.

Sage Steele (16:19)

Like, a lot of the, A lot.

Jillian Michaels (16:20)

Of the progress that we made with, like, listen, you can have your marriage. I don't want to trans kids. I feel like we're really backstage sliding there and I, and I'm getting a little scared. And you know, my wife goes, God bless Sage. She doesn't give a. She shows up with you and Dave and she doesn't care. And it's like. And dude, like, you just don't, like, if it's trendy suddenly on one side or another to go after gays or go after Jews or go out. You don't subscribe to any of that. And I, I cannot tell you how much that means to me and how brave you would have to be as a religious conservative when everybody. Anyway, I, I, without saying more and digging a deep hole. And I, again, like, I hate to kind of bemoan that point, but I, I have been feeling like, a little bit freaked out and I'm so grateful for your friendship that's all I'm gonna say.

Sage Steele (17:17)

I love you. I love all of you guys for that. They're so. And because we all. This is what I always say to people who question me or when my kids are like, oh, my gosh, what about this? And Drew, I think we talked specifically about this every last week. Right. Every single opinion is based on someone else's experience. And like, when we shut people down, like, you don't know what I've been through. I mean, the whole race thing where. And Dave, you and I have talked about this at length.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (17:45)

And to be an air thing.

Sage Steele (17:48)

The what? To be a black conservative. I mean, sometimes I. You question yourself and you're like, oh, my gosh, am I a sellout? All the things that these people say. I am. And like, we're human, we might be strong, whatever, but I. I'm still really weak. I still get my feelings freaking hurt all the time. Yeah. But it's not like I real. Then it becomes a competitive thing. I go into sports mode again, and it's like, okay, so I'm going to let that person or that group of people change me and affect me and silence me. Well, then that's not it. That's on me. You know, it's just. It's just taken me a lot longer to get there than I would have liked at this age. And, you know, that's. That's the beauty of being canceled a few times. There's a lot of silver linings and surviving cancellation.

Dave Rubin (18:35)

But that's also why I love doing this show with you every week and why I said the alt title of the show could be creator therapy. Because it's like we come here and then we. And we do this and it's. It's sort of an easy lift with literal actual friends. And then it, like, helps me think things through for the rest of the week because we, we all know we don't have to. We don't have to drop names at the moment. We've all watched some people in our circles go kind of crazy this year and you, you get disappointed by people and all of that. And, you know, when I look at the three of you now, it's like, man, Drew, literally the first TV show I ever did was Dr. Drew show in LA. We had never met before we did that TV show. That's over 10 years ago now. Sage, when you walked into my studio than two years ago, we had never met. We had maybe texted before, maybe maybe spoken the phone. I'm not even sure, but I remember you were Standing right there. You turned around, and the second we looked at each other, I was like, this is like my long lost sister. We. We ended up spending all day together. You literally. I had a dinner in Palm Beach. You drove me, like, four hours while talking to your kids the whole time. And then, and then, Jillian, it's like you just got. You just got somehow flung into this world in this, like, white hot crazy thing that is the Maga Maha thing. And, you know, you and I text all the time, like, as we're going through the fights and everything else. And usually what I'm saying to you is something to the effect of, I've been through all of this and just keep going and you're going to be fine. And you are, you know, you really wear your emotions on your sleeve. You have a very, like, thin force field around a lot of it. I think that's the beauty about you, but it also makes it tough.

Jillian Michaels (20:14)

It scares me, some of it. Some of it scares me. And, you know, the rhetoric on both sides is. It's scary. You know, you've got 20% of these young kids on the left that think political violence is, is justified. You've got, you know, the very alt right, I hate to even include the word right in there, but I don't know how else to describe it. Of like, all of a sudden you're starting to see this rise of, like, identitarianism and homophobia and anti Semitism and, you know, we all know who I'm referring to. And like, can we, you know, can we please? Like, you're seeing these friend. The fringe overgrow. And I, I watched it take over the left, and I'm. I'm just praying to God, and I, I don't think it will, but that's all. Like, it just, it's scary. I'm like, I can't believe these things are mainstream. I can't believe it actually.

Dave Rubin (21:10)

Well, it doesn't. But you know what? It doesn't necessarily mean they're mainstream. You know, one of the things that Geor Gordon Peterson talked about for a long time is that the architecture of the Internet sort of means that everything that is fringe will get pulled to the center, right? Because everything that's fringe becomes viral because it's crazy, it's out there and whatever. So what we've ended up doing, basically, is we have like a black hole that's sucking in all of the stars constantly. And what we have to worry about is what happens when every fringe idea is, is centralized or just stuffed together. Then. Then what do we have? But again, that's why I love doing this with you guys, because, yeah, that all sounds. It's all nuts out there. But, you know, it's not like we're nobodies. Like, we all have audiences. We all are speaking to people, and our people are speaking to people, and it's a long game.

Jillian Michaels (21:54)

You know, you're right, D. 100%. And you always make me feel better. I'm like, I'm going to give Dave Rubin. I always give Drew panic attack every time he talks to me alone. He's like, my blood pressure. I do the same to you. And you, like, hold steady. But privately, I'm just like, have you seen this? This is crazy. And you calm me down, and I'm excited.

Dave Rubin (22:16)

Well, the funny thing with you, Jillian, is usually when you're calling me in a meltdown mode, it's because someone that I either used to work with or knew is saying something horrible about you. And I'm like, yeah, I've been through that. Yeah, I did that one. I did that one. I did. You know?

Sage Steele (22:28)

Yeah. Any.

Jillian Michaels (22:29)

Okay, we won't. We won't bemoan this further. Should we make. Should we get into some rapid fire? Ultimately, the bottom line on this one is we all appreciate the hell out of each other. And everybody watching who's of like mind. We're grateful for you. Should I get into predictions team?

Sage Steele (22:47)

I'm gonna do a quick ad. Oh, I'm sorry.

Jillian Michaels (22:50)

My bad, My bad. My bad, Sage.

Sage Steele (22:52)

But I feel like you guys, no one went along. I think I'm done. Did it serve its purpose?

Jillian Michaels (22:58)

I can't get out of these turds. You have to stick.

Dave Rubin (23:01)

She has no blood rushing to the back of her head. That can't be good.

Jillian Michaels (23:04)

All right, all right, here we go. Positive stuff. What are we quietly optimistic about in the new year?

Dave Rubin (23:12)

I'll go first. I got one. Which is against all conventional wisdom. I think the midterms are going to be just fine for the Republicans. I think they're. I think they're so far away. I just sat down yesterday with. I was in D.C. i did 12 interviews, 12 interviews with senators and congresspeople. Only one Democrat will talk to me. Ro. Khanna it was. The other 11 were all Republicans, but everyone said the exact same thing, which is that the big, beautiful bill, which has all sorts of tax cuts, deregulation stuff, other things that are going to help the economy, none of it's kicked in yet. It all kicks in this year. So I think if that happens, I think if Trump can move a little Russia, Ukraine towards peace, I think, you know, clearly the Middle east stuff is calming down. I think there will be a shift. And if they can message it properly and show that what we're really up against for all the little fights on the right is completely bananas. Marxist, Communist, jihadist, left. I know it's completely against conventional wisdom, but that's what I'm going into the New Year with. I like how all of your hands went on a swivel on that one.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (24:15)

I'm kind of positive on the world. I think when you look at history, whenever there are great risk, there is great reward. And in times of real unsettling processes in the world, that's how you get through things, and that's how you get to a better place. And God knows we're going through something right now, and I'm optimistic about it. There's great risk. That doesn't mean it has to turn out okay. But I am optimistic.

Sage Steele (24:39)

I'm still blown away by Ruben, and I'm a glass half full person here. I guess, though, what am I optimistic about? I am optimistic that the Trump administration is going to no longer do any print interviews with anyone ever again. I'm optimistic that they have learned their lesson. Vanity Fair, screw off. Susie Wiles is one of my heroes, and I think that they have learned their lesson finally. That's really a bad thing to be optimistic about.

Jillian Michaels (25:09)

Nice. Okay, I'll toss one in quick. I'm very optimistic that parenting teenagers has been awesome so far. Can't believe it. I heard it was gonna be awful, but it's been great. So hopefully here's to another year of awesomeness.

Dave Rubin (25:25)

I do know they'll keep growing this year.

Jillian Michaels (25:27)

I know they're okay.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (25:30)

So you'll hit it. Don't worry.

Jillian Michaels (25:32)

It'll come 15 and a half, but so far, like, I just keep hearing horror stories, and they just keep getting more awesome. So I. I don't know. I tell my son, I'm like, I think you're supposed to become, like, a douche soon, and it's not gonna happen. I'm like, I think it's supposed to, like, you're supposed to slam doors and call me names. I'm like, not come out of your room. He's like, mom. And then he comes and sits next to me on the couch and watches Instagram reels and political clips.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (26:01)

18, 18, 18.

Jillian Michaels (26:03)

Okay, fantastic. Like, she's constantly, like, sitting down and educating me on her world and pop culture. And it's the cutest thing. And teaching her to drive. I feared for my life. Actually, this is a good luck Dave.

Sage Steele (26:18)

Like, wow.

Jillian Michaels (26:19)

It's actually quite.

Sage Steele (26:20)

Quite terrifying.

Jillian Michaels (26:21)

And we did drive right over a sidewalk at one point the other day. But when we were doing that and I feared for everyone's life in the car, I thought, like, this is a deathbed moment. Teaching your kid to drive is.

Sage Steele (26:35)

And by the way, take fl. I have some of the funniest videos that we have on my phone saved forever. Are those. When I. I was like, oh, I'll be fine. I'll be calm. I was the worst parent to drive with. Break in the passenger seat. It's so bad. And. And one of them, my oldest, is the worst driver in the history of drivers. And so I just have to. And she's 23. I just have to, like, let go and let. God, I will say this. Like, I'm so. I do think the mother son thing is different than the mother daughter. Like, that there's a different tribe. And of course, maybe father daughter versus father son. I don't know. But me, my. My son's always been so easy and so kind and, you know, but it's bigger than just gender. It's. It's definitely who they are innately. But I. I. Can I not be as lame? Thank you, Julian, for going personal. I was trying to go more worldly. I am convinced that this year I'm gonna finally take better care of my health, Dr. Drew, because I've. I've taken it for granted for a long time and really, really let it go. And mental health as well.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (27:44)

50. After 50, you gotta get on it. On it.

Sage Steele (27:47)

And I'm. And I'm. Well, after 50, I just have taken it for granted a lot of things, you know, personally, right now with. With family members where it's. It's. It's scary, and I need to do it for. Not just for myself, but for everybody else. And then my final goal, though. Optimism. That when I do a full squat in front of Jillian Knuckles, I'm actually gonna do it the right way, and she's not gonna mock me. Like, I'm optimistic that I can do a good squat that Jillian would be proud of.

Jillian Michaels (28:17)

No butt wink, mama. No butt wink. That's so important. Yeah, none of that. I know.

Dave Rubin (28:26)

Okay, Sage, I'll jump on that challenge with you. Cause I'm not. I'm not great at squats. I got tight hips. We're working on it.

Jillian Michaels (28:34)

Don't tell me you have a butt wink. I don't believe it.

Dave Rubin (28:36)

No, I. I don't even know what a butt wink is, at least in this context, so maybe let's move on.

Sage Steele (28:41)

Oh, my gosh.

Jillian Michaels (28:42)

This is so bad. We're gonna have to work. You could get, like, a serious back injury if you have a butt wink.

Dave Rubin (28:48)

I. I literally don't know what that is. I'm just saying I'm not great at squats, but I don't know what a butt wink is, honestly.

Sage Steele (28:53)

Oh, just wait.

Jillian Michaels (28:55)

Okay, well, you know what?

Sage Steele (28:56)

We'll. We'll.

Jillian Michaels (28:57)

We'll sidebar that for a private session together.

Sage Steele (29:01)

Okay.

Jillian Michaels (29:02)

What trend do you think is already peaking? Touche.

Dave Rubin (29:10)

All right, we should move quick on these. I think big pants are over. You know, the kids are wearing the big pants now. My guy Joey in the other room over there, he's always wearing these big pants. I think the day of the big pants, it's out. Regular pants are back.

Sage Steele (29:23)

Sage, I think this crap, all this TikTok, it's, like, already peaked. Stay away from me. Just, please, no more.

Jillian Michaels (29:33)

Okay? I'm going to go with weight loss, drugs. I think people are starting to see how they accelerate aging and starting to freak people out. Like, after a few years of this trend, it's like, oh, they're so thin, and now they look 25 years older. I think it's giving people pause. Could be wrong. Probably end up moving to microdosing, which I would argue, you know, is. Is going to be better from everything I've seen anecdotally. Okay, what issue do you think is going to dominate headlines by this time next year?

Dave Rubin (30:05)

I'll do a quick if. If my prediction from the earlier one was right and Republicans are winning the midterms, I think you're going to see a. Like, a psychotic uprising by the left like you've never seen before, because they're so thrilled that they think they're going to crush this time. And if it goes the other way, as most people are predicting, not in the direction that we would all want, I think we will all kind of be freaking out because it will signal that, you know, the Trump thing that has loomed so large over the universe for the last decade is on its way out, and none of us will know what comes after it.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (30:38)

I think the EU is going to fall apart in some way. I think it's time. I don't know in what way. I don't know what's going to happen, but I listen to French radio in the morning, and something's brewing. It's not good. I.

Sage Steele (30:53)

Before Dave started, I was going to say, like, the name Jasmine Crockett keeps coming to mind.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (30:58)

Me too. I was going to say that too.

Dave Rubin (31:01)

Funny.

Sage Steele (31:02)

Yeah. Since I promised that I wouldn't bring up her name for a month and I think I failed. But my point is she's not going away. AOC reposted the most recent poll that she was leading as far as potential presidential candidates for 2028, two points ahead of J.D. vance. And she posted some obnoxious things. So these crazy, psychotic women on the left are not going anywhere. And I think that we need to pay very close attention on the right. Yeah.

Jillian Michaels (31:35)

And how about not give them a boost by acting like lunatics?

Sage Steele (31:40)

That's. That's, you know. Yeah. How about that?

Jillian Michaels (31:44)

Geez.

Sage Steele (31:45)

I think.

Jillian Michaels (31:45)

AI. I continue to be amazed on a daily basis. It's staggering. I. I just think. I. I think where this goes and how quickly this is evolving is mind blowing.

Sage Steele (32:00)

From.

Jillian Michaels (32:00)

You know, we mentioned once before, like, top songs on the charts, like, are you gonna have fake influence? Like, they talking to me about a fitness app where they're like, jillian, listen, you know, you're 50. Like, you don't have to do this anymore. We could do in every territory of the world. You can create your own trainer. You could have a Korean guy, a Korean girl. We could have a.

Sage Steele (32:22)

Every.

Jillian Michaels (32:22)

In every language you could create. It's. Anyway, I think that's going to continue to be insane. All right, and my last one here, team. What's one thing that you think is going to matter more than people expect?

Sage Steele (32:37)

Can I start by saying coming off of planning and executing a large wedding in four and a half months, Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce wedding. Because I think it's going to reverberate in that wedding world where from the flowers to the dress to the ring and the obsession. I mean, it broke the Internet the day they got engaged. I was like, what the hell is happening? And who cares? Like, I really don't. So many people do. And it's going to be insane around their wedding. And then every bride has to do. Exactly. I'm not saying I like it. I'm just saying I think it's going to be such a talking point.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (33:20)

I was going to say something around like fertility. I don't know if it's going to be that we hit some sort of nadir in that or that it becomes a trend to have kids. Something's going to move on the fertility front. It may have to bottom. That might be the thing that matters to us. Or it might be that we Start trending it up before that happens.

Dave Rubin (33:37)

I mean, unfortunately, I'm going to go very black hill black pill here. But, I mean, I think radical Islam is on the march, and I think it's going to be escalated severely in a very kinetic way throughout the world over the next year. I think we're starting to see that, obviously, with Australia and a couple other things. And it seems to me that's the next layer of the kind of evil that we're all going to have to confront.

Jillian Michaels (34:00)

Yeah, I've beat this dead horse into the ground. I think radical period, you know, people, I think that's going to play a very big role. Like, oh, don't worry about it. But what happens is, you know, one thing I'm going to say about this. I don't know if you guys saw this. Did you see the clip of. Oh, my God, I'm going to butcher his name. I think it's Charnath. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Dave Rubin (34:22)

Oh, Chamath.

Jillian Michaels (34:26)

I'm an idiot. I just recently learned about this guy. I'm embarrassed to tell you. He. I was watching him talk about the ways in which the. The radical elements on each side are being elevated by these accounts out of, like, India, Pakistan, Russia. But then what ends up happening is the New York Times picks it up and goes, look at this, you know, huge movement of madness over here on the right. And I wonder if it's a similar effect on the left. But I. I think that. I think this is going to play a much bigger role than people think. And I really, really, really hope I'm wrong. Drew, for brevity's sake, me, I am so sorry. I need to. I need to back out of our Christmas special right now, because Trish Regan is supposed to break down.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (35:13)

Before you go. Before you go.

Dave Rubin (35:15)

You're leaving us for Trish Reagan. Before we go, Drew, this is what we're going to do. Drew, here's what we're going to do. You are going to do one thing out of your segment. We're dropping my segment. I will then read the ad, and then the three of us will say goodbye, and Jillian can go. So one last thing here. Dream quick.

Jillian Michaels (35:28)

I'm texting them to tell her. I'll be right there. Okay, go, go.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (35:31)

From each of you, best or worst Internet moment for the year, like personal or whatever.

Sage Steele (35:38)

Whatever.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (35:38)

However you want to take that.

Dave Rubin (35:39)

Oh, well, my best Internet moment, unquestionably, was on an absolutely horrible day, which was the day after Charlie died and I went on Piers on That ridiculous panel nonsense. And I busted out the receipts to my old boss, Cenk Uygur, about the amount of times he had called. That's easy, Charlie. Hitler and Trump a Nazi and all of those things. Well, you know what, Cenk? I'll ask you a question directly, actually. Do you think Charlie wanted to be martyred? Do you think Charlie wanted to be martyred? Do you think Charlie wanted to be killed? Yes or no?

Dr. Drew Pinsky (36:08)

Of course not.

Dave Rubin (36:09)

What kind of asinine question is that? Oh, you don't. You don't, Cuz that's pretty interesting, cuz here's a video of you, Cenk, talking when Charlie was at a breakfast for these guys.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (36:19)

And they don't deserve it.

Dave Rubin (36:22)

But I do also want to point.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (36:23)

Out, as they're in the middle of crying now.

Dave Rubin (36:25)

Although Charlie was smiling ear to ear throughout the entire video, thinking, yes, I'm now the victim and I'll get the claim that my rights have been abridged. Did you catch the beginning of that, Cenk? Listen, we'll do it again. No, I didn't. And that's totally out of. No, we're not going to do it again. Totally out of context.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (36:44)

I don't even know what the hell you're talking.

Dave Rubin (36:46)

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, listen, bro, listen. That was my best moment by far. And my worst moment was probably some other time I was on Peers.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (36:58)

All right, we can leave it at that. That way we can get 15 minutes.

Jillian Michaels (37:01)

By the way, guys, I got 15 minutes.

Dave Rubin (37:03)

All right, so we can finish properly.

Jillian Michaels (37:05)

I got 15 minutes.

Sage Steele (37:06)

Okay?

Dave Rubin (37:06)

They're like, drew, what about you?

Sage Steele (37:08)

Okay.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (37:11)

I have so many bad moments. I guess I can't even. It's hard for me to remember my good moments. Let me try to think about that more. I had some good moments. I guess it's when I reflect back on the COVID era, and I've been calling forward some of the videos from that time. And I was on television taking people on as they were bringing on closures and school closures and lockdowns. And I kept saying, why are you doing this? Who advised you to do it? And so I'm sort of bringing those out back in the open. Has sort of been. I'm proud of that. So that was my good moment.

Sage Steele (37:51)

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Dave Rubin (37:53)

What was your worst moment?

Dr. Drew Pinsky (37:55)

Yeah, moment. I'll think about it. Somebody else answer that. I have so many bad moments. On your neck.

Jillian Michaels (38:05)

Is this a personal moment? The worst moment? Just out of curiosity, is it, like, personal slash the worst? Very different I think combination.

Dave Rubin (38:15)

Yeah, it's whatever you want.

Sage Steele (38:16)

What do you got? I think the coolest for me, selfishly, personally, was it was right after they started in the White House press briefing room about bringing in the podcasters. And I was the third one to go and ask Caroline Levitt a question. As you know, that special seat there, if you're standing where she is, to off to the right. And it was super cool and an honor, especially so early in that process and also nerve wracking. I have asked so many of the top athletes in the world, including a former president, to quest questions and live tv. I was so scared for that, but it was such an honor. And it was just a very full circle moment. Like, what am I doing here? The former sportscaster and all that. It was just an honor. And I was, I'm very grateful for that moment with Caroline Levitt and her team at the White House. And this one is, this one's a negative based on the story. I'm very uncomfortable doing the direct to camera reactions that I know are popular and probably smart, business wise, et cetera. I'm terrible at them. I just suck. And when the day Charlie died, it was like day two of my honeymoon and I just, like everybody else was in shock. And for the. I just put, I sat in front of my phone and just talked and posted it. And what I found is just when we show our humanity in different moments in particular, people need to hear that and they need to see us do that. I'm not saying every single time for every single thing. So it was a terrible moment that I learned something from, which is we. What we talked about earlier, about not giving a crap, like just put it out there. When you show the human side, I think we, we, we can inadvertently sometimes help others by just putting it out there. So it, and, and you know, people took it and replayed it. And I, I, it was. Wasn't my intent. I just felt like, oh my God, I had the honor of knowing him. Not to the level you did, Dave, but enough. And he affected my life and so did his wife. And I thought, just be honest. And it was like a lesson. Charlie never held back. Charlie never, you know, minced words based on how somebody might perceive it. Like there were a lot of lessons there for that. So that was a viral. The.

Jillian Michaels (40:33)

Yeah, I love that answer. You know, I think worst Internet moment, and I can't even believe it was an Internet moment is when we lost Charlie. Unquestionably one of the. I actually have not watched it. I will not watch it. I obviously know all about it. Um, I think the best Internet moment to provide a little bit of perspective and juxtaposition was that fruit vendor, Ahmed Al Ahmed disarming the. The terrorists shooting Jews. I think I cried for 20 minutes watching that guy, and I just. I was so touched because it's like, it goes against.

Sage Steele (41:13)

I don't know.

Jillian Michaels (41:14)

I. I just thought, like, wow, what a radical act of heroism. I think he got shot in the process twice. Yeah, I. Yeah, I. That was my. That was the moment that I. I'm like, all right, come on, Jill, little bit of perspective here, dude. Like, there's really good people. Really, like, exceptionally good people in the world and exceptionally awful people. And seeing that juxtaposition put it in perspective. For me personally, I'd say no. No disrespect to anybody on this panel, but I would say my favorite Internet moment would have had to be finally doing Rogan. I'm like a creepy little rogue knight.

Sage Steele (41:50)

I love him.

Jillian Michaels (41:51)

So that was exciting. Worst moment. You would have to go to Piers, I think, either.

Sage Steele (41:59)

How about the CNN thing? You have a couple there. Jillian, you know what?

Jillian Michaels (42:03)

You know what the thing with the CNN is, Is that I. I am not sorry. I am not sorry. And the only thing that bothers me is that Abby Phillip is too much of a wuss to actually finish this conversation, despite suggesting that she'd be willing to have it. This is a conversation that needs to be had. And, you know, I've often said, like, the more you demonize all white people for all the evils in the world, the more they're going to turn to, you know, again, the alt right, the people that I think need no name. This is a conversation we have to have. The thing with peers is that you just sit there and no good comes of it. And like, one guy, I think I'd say the worst moment is when actually.

Sage Steele (42:48)

Don'T even remember his name.

Jillian Michaels (42:49)

It was Riley Gaines and I and two guys. And the guys just sat there and called us, like, bigots and racists. And one told me, I purchased my daughter and she's a house slave. I don't think I need any litigation.

Dave Rubin (43:02)

From a woman who tried to downplay slavery, who tried to all lives matter.

Jillian Michaels (43:06)

Slavery after she purchased a black child.

Dave Rubin (43:09)

That's what I would argue.

Jillian Michaels (43:10)

I don't think you need to. As far as discussing.

Sage Steele (43:13)

Okay.

Jillian Michaels (43:14)

Because the. The reality of the situation is that what I gave you, whether you like it or not, is a fact from the 1860 census.

Sage Steele (43:21)

And I thought, like, why am I.

Jillian Michaels (43:23)

Like, nothing good today. Zero. Except for my kid one day to probably, like, see this and be horrified. And yet I. I'll say again, like, they continue to amaze me. Both of my kids are like, that guy. And she just laughed. She's like, who's the one that does the laundry around here? I'm like, okay. You know, so I'd have to say, piers, you are the winner yet again on that one.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (43:47)

And lastly, one person you want to thank for 20, 25? I'll start with Dave. Thank you for pulling actual friends together. It's been a privilege and a pleasure.

Dave Rubin (43:57)

Well, thank you, guys. I mean, we've already said it here, but, like, this is. This has just been an absolute joy. And. And all of our friendships, which were. Which were real, although varying degrees for each of us beforehand, have obviously all been. Been strengthened. And, you guys, you know, I've had. I. I lost a couple people in our world this year, and. But I got you guys, so it's. It's a trade I will gladly, gladly take.

Sage Steele (44:21)

I want to thank my parents. They are my everything, and they literally picked me up off the ground too many times to count over the last couple of years, personally and professionally. And to have them there on my wedding day, my special day, when that was scary at times that they might not be there. I just thank my parents for putting up with me and seeing me through to this next chapter of life. So super sappy. Mom and dad, I love it.

Dave Rubin (44:51)

D. I mean, it's obviously David. Like, he's taking care of those little humans while I get to do these silly things in here all day long, and then I get to walk out there, and they're. And they're usually in a great mood, and. And then I just get the benefits of all of that. So that. That one's very easy for me. Jillian.

Jillian Michaels (45:09)

I think I would have to say every single person that has approached me on the street this year, I'm so thankful. They just. They give me that, like, I'm with you.

Sage Steele (45:23)

I get it.

Jillian Michaels (45:24)

I see it. And you're like, okay, I'm gonna keep going. And I'm so grateful for them. I'm so grateful for every single one that comes up and says hello. And you got. You have no idea how much I think all of us appreciate that. It means so, so, so, so much.

Dr. Drew Pinsky (45:45)

I'm gonna pile on that. I could say that about each of you, but, Jill, I'm gonna pile on you for a second, which is that. That you have the qualities that I want to put into that octagon. You know what I mean? I'm glad. I'm sorry it's you, but I'm glad it's you. You've got. You've got the necessary requisites. And I'm sorry. Did it all across the board, but thanking you.

Sage Steele (46:04)

That's why you're so right, Drew. And I think that that's Jillian. That's one of the things. People underestimated you, which is crazy based on everything else you've already accomplished in your career. But it's one thing with the physical stuff and to motivate people. And I mean, I used to cuss you out doing your DVDs, and the my ass looked so good back then. People underestimated this part and this part, like, this part and how smart and well read you are. I tell people all the time, like, what's Julian? But she's freaking brilliant. That's what she is. And that's what people don't like, is because you're successful and you're brilliant and you're hot and you're all of it. Like, it's just. I love this room.

Jillian Michaels (46:50)

This is the best room ever. I thank you too, Dave, for putting this together.

Dave Rubin (46:54)

Well, how about we end with this? I'm going to end with a little bit of a challenge to my three good friends over there, which is that the challenge for all four of us and for everyone watching this is that for as crazy as all the politics got this last year, for as wacky as some of the news and depressing as some of it was and all of that stuff, and that's all legit, how about we make it a little more incumbent on the four of us and everyone watching to make 2026 the year of normalcy and decency? And let's see if we can push that a little bit, because it actually is attractive and it is real and it is important, and it might be two of the things that'll bring us back to something that we all love. And don't forget, guys, 2026 is America's 250th anniversary. It's our 250th birthday. So maybe we roll in with a little. A little patriotism, a little normalcy, a little decency, and maybe we can save the whole freaking thing.

Jillian Michaels (47:48)

Hell yeah.

Sage Steele (47:50)

X on Twitter. I have to be nice there, Is that what you're saying?

Dave Rubin (47:53)

Well, not there, but other places. Just somewhere else here mostly.

Jillian Michaels (47:58)

Got it.