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Dave Rubin
It's a crazy world Crazy world Somebody gotta have the same view It's a crazy world It's a crazy world Somebody gotta have the same news Alrighty. I'm Dave Rubin. This is the Rubin Report. On November 21, 2024, we are live streaming on YouTube. Rumble. Are we on Rumble today? There's a little bit of a technical problem with Rumble. I don't know if we're under a full DoD assault or something, but we are definitely live streaming on YouTube right now, definitely livestreaming on Locals. And I'm sure the Rumble people are back there with the wires and the widgets and all the things. And hopefully that'll be up soon post game show. As always, rubin report.locals.com and you know, before I do anything, I actually want to issue a correction from yesterday's show. I said something kind of off the top of my head that I made a total mistake on. And as you know, I not only do I not mind making corrections, I kind of like it, actually. In some weird way, it's like I'm not perfect. And I do this show largely off the top of my head, except for the notes that are in front of me. As far as the rundown of the show, I mentioned yesterday in reference to incoming Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick, that he was at Cantor Fitzgerald. He used to be the president, or I think he still is the president of Cantor Fitzgerald, which is one of the major financial firms that was located in the twin towers during 9 11. And I said something like 2000 of his employees died. It was almost 3000 people, just shy of 3000 people that died in the towers that day. Cantor Fitzgerald, the company lost 658 of their 960 employees. That's like 68% or something like that. So I know it's a minor crime correction, but worth mentioning. And the theme today, we're going to be doing a Rubin Report Locals community Q and A. But I wanted to get a little bit away from just like the hardcore political stuff today, focus a bit more on the media stuff. And what I'm also extremely interested in right now, which is how tech is really shifting everything. We are seeing the end of sort of one world right now, and there is a new horizon on the horizon, and it's coming whether you like it or not. And I think there's an incredible amount of opportunity there. And I, for one, will be on the side of, say, an Elon Musk when it comes to this comes to this rather than the side of the people that are trying to destroy him. So, interestingly, I'm going to start with a clip of Ben Affleck. And those of you who've been with me for a while know that I have a bit of a fraught history with Ben Affleck. Don't burn. This book was actually written in dedication, the first page of the book to Ben Affleck. And that's because he had a lot to do with my political awakening on that Sam Harris. Harris, Bill Maher Real time episode about 10 years ago now. But Ben Affleck was giving a talk about how screenwriting Hollywood, the entire industry is changing because of AI. And I think that this is connected to much more than just Hollywood and everything else. It's deeply connected to our economy, to the creative boom that I really sense is coming. As I keep telling you guys, I think an 80s boom is on the way. And I've got two clips of Affleck that I want to show you. And you'll see how we're connecting it to more largely what's going on in the culture. Affleck clip number one. I want to.
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Ben Affleck
As we kind of wrap up here.
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Dave Rubin
I do want to come back to AI. Jerry, you mentioned it, but, you know.
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Ben Affleck
Ben, how did you know earlier?
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Dave Rubin
You guys weren't here. We did a demonstration.
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Ben Affleck
My colleague Andrew Sorkin and I recreated.
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Dave Rubin
Ourselves and our voices. How do you see it? I mean, is it a benefit or is it a real threat? Is it possible that a Netflix could say, you know, we're going to do our own, excuse me, James Bond thing out there with a bunch of actors that are completely recreated for this market or that market?
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Andrew Sorkin
A, that's not possible now. B, will it be possible in the future? Highly unlikely. See, movies will be one of the last things if everything gets replaced, to be replaced by AI. AI can write you excellent imitative, imitative verse that sounds a little beaten. It cannot write you Shakespeare. The function of having two actors or three or four actors in a room and the taste to discern and construct that is something that currently entirely eludes AI's capability and I think will for a meaningful period of time, what AI is going to, is going to disintermediate the more laborious, less creative and, you know, more costly aspects of filmmaking. That will allow costs to be brought down, that will be lower the barrier to entry, that will allow more voices to be heard. That will make it easier for the people who want to make good will hunting to go out and make it look. AI is a craftsman at best. Craftsmen can Learn to, you know, make stickly furniture by sitting down next to somebody and seeing what their technique and imitating. That's how large video models, large language models basically work. A library of vectors of meaning and transformers that interpret context. Right. But they're just cross pollinating things that exist. Nothing new is created.
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Dave Rubin
Not yet. Not yet. Yeah. Okay, so there's a couple interesting things here. Whether you care about Hollywood that much or what the future of Hollywood is doesn't really matter here. I'll have another clip on that in just a second. But in essence, what he's saying is AI is going to come in and make everything way cheaper. Right. All the people under those hood, as they say, meaning not the creative types, all of that will be able to be replaced very easily. And we see that happening now. You know, even we've shown you lately a couple of clips where we've used Javier Milei, the president of Argentina, and we can now use AI software to translate his voice. And his mouth looks like he's actually speaking. The accent's not perfect, but it's getting. All of this stuff is getting better and better every day. You will literally be able to type into AI software. I want my own episode of Seinfeld where Jerry does this and George does this. And they will eventually be able to replicate it and get it out. What Ben is saying is on the purely creative side, you won't be able to make Shakespeare. It's like, well, we'll see how smart these computers become or if will be able to discern. But I mention all of this because what he's really talking about as it relates to the things that we talk about on the show is that the cost of everything is going to go down. It's going to be easier to do things. This is rapidly, rapidly going to change our economy. Right. There are so many industries and so many jobs that exist right now that just will not be needed. And by the way, that could even be me. I'm a little less bullish on Ben's idea that the creative types are not going to be replaced. I think they're going to be able to do that too. Here they continue talking about the industry crumbling. And again, just think about whatever it is that you do for a living. Could this be replaced by AI? Could this be replaced by robots and everything else? And then what would you do? Not yet.
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Andrew Sorkin
Yeah, not yet. And really, in order to do that, look, craftsman is knowing how to work. Art is knowing when to stop. And I think knowing when to stop is going to be A very difficult thing for AI to learn because it's taste and also lack of consistency, lack of controls, lack of quality. AI for this world of generative video is going to do key things more. I wouldn't like to be in the visual effects business. They're in trouble because what costs a lot of money is now going to cost a lot less. And it's going to hammer that space and it already is. And maybe it shouldn't take 1,000 people to render something, but it's not going to replace human beings making films. It may make your background more convincing. It can change the color of your shirt. It can fix mistakes that you've made. It can make it. You know, you might be able to get two seasons of House of the Dragon in a year instead of one. And if that happens, according to macroeconomics, in cultures where there are basically oligopolies competing, what should happen is with the same demand and the same spend is they should just make more shows, which should. You should have the same spend and now you can just watch more episodes and eventually AI will allow you to ask for your own episode of Succession where you could say, I'll pay $30 and can you make me a 45 minute episode where Kendall gets the company and runs off and has an affair with Stewie? And it'll do it and it'll be a little janky and a little bit weird, but it'll know their stats, it'll know those actors, and it will remix it in effect, and it will do that. That's the value, in my view, long term of AI for.
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Dave Rubin
Okay, so again, you might be watching this going, Dave, this is a little out of left field for what you normally do here, but I do think it's important we start thinking about this stuff. And not only as it pertains to Hollywood industries are changing. As the robots come. The guy right now who pulls up to your house and walks out of the Amazon truck and delivers the box to your door, he will not be necessary. Right? And then what is he going to do? And the people that are editing and I'm telling you, Ben is again, I think he's overstating the importance of actors or talkers or whatever else. Like all of us will be replaced in some sense and then Skynet will be on. And I think it's just worth thinking about all of these things because in every sci fi movie, it's like everyone kind of knows that the weird thing is happening and no one. So he does make an interesting point in the earlier clip like when are we going to say no to this? I don't know that we will. Technology exists and people take it to the nth degree. But I want to now connect this to the media, the craziness in the media that's happening right now. Because in the last two plus weeks since the election, it has become obvious that the online media and the alt media, whatever you want to call it, has just completely surpassed the corporate media and they do not know what to do. That was what this election was about more than whether it was about Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. And MSNBC is really, I would say, like the prime example of doing everything wrong and now paying the price. Check this out from the New York Post Panic engulfed MSNBC headquarters Wednesday after parent company Comcast confirmed a massive spinoff of its cable properties, with a top executive even suggesting the left leaning network may be forced to change its name. MSNBC stars Rachel Maddow, Chris Jansing and Katie Turr joined a tense 10am meeting at 30 Rock in Midtown led by NBC Universal Chairman Mark Lazarus, who will lead the new company, sources told the Post. Staffers, fearing looming layoffs, peppered him with questions about whether the network will need to change its name, logos and headquarters after reports surfaced that the new entity could be cut off from the reporting muscle of NBC News, sources said. Lazarus told MSNBC staffers he wasn't sure whether the network would have to change its identity or its home, according to ins. Everyone is in a panic because everything is up in the air, one MSNBC source told the Post. Another insider close to the network added, people don't really know what's going on. They had the election. Holidays are coming up, people are tired and are just trying to get through. Msnbc declined to comment. Comcast announced on Wednesday that MSNBC, home to anchors including Joy Reid and Lawrence O'Donnell, will join CNBC, Oxygen, E. Sci Fi and the Golf Channel as part of a new company called Spinco. Joe Scarborough, co host of Morning Joe, expressed his own anxieties during the program before the meeting, joking nervously on air, we could all be fired from a year from now. And yes, Joe, it could not happen to a more deserving group of people. None of you deserve the attention. You don't deserve the money, you don't deserve the fame or any of it. You have all been paid to lie. Just the fact that the election doesn't go their way and then suddenly they're like, we may have to close our news organization altogether. Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know, or if we don't close it, we'll at least change the name or the logo or something else. Like imagine if the election had gone the other way. Really, just try to think of that horrific prospect for just a moment. Imagine if two plus weeks ago, the election went the other way. And then the next morning on this show, I was like, guys, we're not gonna call this the Rubin Report anymore and we're changing the logo. And I'm gonna do this in T shirts because that way you won't realize that I got everything wrong for the last couple years. Like, that is the level of absur. And Joe, you don't deserve the job. You should be fired. Maddow should be fired. The list, all you people should be fired. And go do it independently. And guess what? It's tough, man. And nobody's going to pay you for that lying, pandering crap. Speaking of lying, pandering crap, over at Harvard they have something called the Kennedy School. It used to be a fine place where you could teach journalists, future journalists, how to do the journalism thing. Unfortunately, you can guess it hasn't done that particularly well. Here is MSNBC contributor Eugene Robinson explaining that places like MSNBC are really no longer places of journalism and it's really their own fault.
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Eugene Robinson
It's one way journalism has changed in my very, very long career. When I first started, I came out of the University of Michigan. My first job was at the San Francisco Chronicle. I was like a cub reporter and we used typewriters. I mean, this was, you know, this is pre computer days. I would say maybe two thirds of the reporters had college degrees. A lot had just sort of rattled their way down into journalism. Somehow it had come for other. There was a form, you know, an ex cop who was a journalist at the Chronicle. Even when I got to the post in 1980, there were a number of reporters who. Most everybody had gone to college, not everybody had graduated. And there was sort of a. There were actually working class people there. And in fact, the building was a factory at that time because we printed the newspaper downstairs and so.
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Dave Rubin
We worked.
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Eugene Robinson
On top of a factory. We, we felt the building shake when the presses started to roll at 9:00. Now, you know, the Washington Post is. You come in and there's a whole bunch of really smart, you know, educated, beautifully educated people who by and large sort of grew up in the same kinds of neighborhoods and went to the same, you know, elite universities and got really good grades and, and so, yeah, there's a kind of groupthink I mean, and there is an internal diversity that I think we have lost.
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Dave Rubin
It's interesting because I don't think he's a particularly good pundit. We've played some clips of him over the years. But he's saying something that he's kind of getting right and then saying that he's kind of getting wrong there. First off, he is kind of getting right that you might want, like a series of different people from different walks of life, not based on just skin color or genitals, but to create a certain atmosphere in a newsroom so that you know how to report on things properly. What he's saying is, well, we have a bunch of really smart, beautifully educated people, except they aren't beautifully educated and they aren't really smart. They come from the Ivy League, which is now churning out Hamas members. They come from places that teach everyone that America is bad and that socialism is good and capitalism is evil and all those things. So he's still not making the connection between the rotting out of the educational institutions and then how the journalistic Institute. Journalistic, I guess, if that's what you want to call them. How they got rotted out. So you're missing that they're not beautifully educated and they're not particularly smart people. I would much rather take a kid who went to a trade school and now actually has a skill and work with him on whatever it might be. Or a college dropout. I got college dropout over one number one over here. I got number two back there. And I do hold it against you, Connor, that you finish. You finished a four year degree. I don't even know where you went to college. And we've been working together for five. Oh, you went to Arizona. Oh, yeah, well, whatever. The point is. But I don't hold it against him. That's the point. That's the point that these people are not particularly smart. They're not particularly skilled. And then you wonder, how did this happen? Well, we had complete ideological rigidity because the institutions broke their brains. And then we put them at jobs that they probably didn't even deserve. If you want a perfect example of this, there is a woman by the name of Jen Rubin. R U, B I N. It's spelled exactly the same way. I have gone into the archives of the Rubin family and we have checked. I am. I am not related to this woman. And I want to say that I have to say it on Twitter fairly often because she is one of. She's a Washington Post columnist, MSNBC contributor. The woman's a Complete lunatic. I don't know that we've ever shown a clip of her before, but I do have to defend myself often on Twitter about this because people say he's your, she's your sister, she's your cousin, she's your mother. Something not related to her any way whatsoever. However, she is completely insane and. Well, I guess not. However, she's completely insane. She happens to be completely insane as she comes from these universities, she's part of this elite class and I guess she's got a podcast and if you want just like the perfect example of why these people aren't beautifully educated and really smart, how they think they're better than everyone else and actually they're not really good at anything. Here is a little portion of Jen Rubin's podcast. It's that simple. You can't talk broad themes. You have to boil it down to nuts and bolts and you have to be pithy. What do I mean by pithy? How about this? Republicans want to kill your kids. It's actually true. If you're going to oppose vaccinations, if you're going to stop breakthrough medical research, if you're going to allow minors and all sorts of people to get semi automatic weapons which they use to shoot up schools, well then you are responsible for kids health and death. Unfortunately, it has to be that simple and that direct and it has to be over and over and over again. She can't come to Thanksgiving this year. I am not related to that woman. But do you see the hysteria that they've done? And this is. These are the very smart, these are the really smart, beautifully educated people that he's talking about. But they all got in the newsrooms and they say these completely insane things. So if you're skeptical of vaccines, which you damn well should be, especially after Covid and we talked a bunch about the vaccine schedule for kids and you should do your own research and talk to your doctor and everything else. But even if you're skeptical about it, you're somehow you want to kill kids. And she's also implying that might that Republicans and conservatives want minors to get semiautomatic weapons. Completely absurd. I've never heard anyone say that. I've never even heard anyone on the right say anything to the effect of that you shouldn't even have background checks. Even here in Florida, when I bought guns, you don't just walk into a store and get a gun. There's still a background check. They still check your id. They make sure you're not a minor et CETERA et cetera. But this is the type of over the top, I would say, pandering drivel that has been passed off as news for years. And then you wonder why so many young people have anxiety and all the other problems they have. They're being told the earth is gonna end because of climate change. They're being told they're gonna walk outside and get shot. They're actually being forced to be injected with things that somet times, especially for young men, cause heart problems or a series of other diseases. And these are the people that don't deserve our attention anymore. So to connect that to the Affleck thing, it's like new industries are about to be built, new technologies are coming down the pike. All of these people will be forgotten. And no matter how many times MSNBC changes its logo or its name, it's like, guys, every time you pop up, I promise you, like whack a mole, we're going to come and get you. Let's jump over back down to Argentina because, you know, I loved playing these videos of Argentinian President Javier Milei. And he if you wonder how do you fight the thing? How do you fight the fact that they are going to lie about you relentlessly and everything else? Well, you fight it with truth. We played a couple bits of this interview yesterday, but listen to him further talking about what he was up against when he won his election a year ago.
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Javier Milei
Let me tell you something to show you the kind of garbage the media in Argentina can do. They sent three drones to spy on me at my presidential residence, to spy on me. Do you think that's right? Exactly. But that kind of thing happens in Argentina, not to mention the many lies and horrible things they say. I, for instance, remember that time when my father was hospitalized. My father is a man of a really strong character who has had two heart surgeries, all right? And one day a journalist was saying all sorts of lies about my father. My father was hospitalized and, well, and he almost died of a heart attack. So that kind of thing is what journalism and the press do in Argentina. So they start to attack your private life. Your mother, your father, your sister, even my dogs that I absolutely adore. They are the most wonderful beings in the universe. They even target my four legged children. So imagine that I've been in office for nearly a year, a year as president. And since they can't criticize my management except by lying and distorting the numbers, they meddle with all these things, things they have been doing all the time since the year 2021 when I officially entered politics.
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Dave Rubin
He's got some pretty crazy hair. And does that remind you of what our media did to another guy with some crazy hair? Right when the policies are good. And as I always say, if you look at those first two years of the Trump presidency, when the policies are working and we're signing peace deals in the Middle east and the economy's chugging along and house prices are going down and we have a roughly sane protected border, what do they do? They try to throw out everything else they can do. They'll go after this guy's dogs. They'll tell you that Donald Trump, an agent of Russia and everything else. And the hilarious part, of course, from an Argentinian perspective, is what this guy has done to the economy is completely, completely transform it. And the country is going through a renaissance. So the point of showing you that is as MSNBC dies, as old industries die, they don't just disappear overnight, they will recalibrate. They will transform in front of our eyes. They will put new logos up, they will bring in new hosts. But don't forget how we almost got to the end. And that's pretty much where we almost got just 16 days ago. But as the old thing dies, it is not going to give up easily and we're going to have to keep putting in better people to fight it, which is exactly what Donald Trump's doing right now. We'll have more on that in just a second. But let me talk to you about Preserve Gold, folks. We're living in unpredictable times with digital currencies on the rise, a whopping 35 trillion in national debt, and inflation still at a 40 year high. For these reasons and more, the big short traders known for their successful bet against the housing market back in 2008 are warning that Americans don't have enough gold in their portfolios. 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All right, so obviously one of the good things about this new Trump presidency that we're about to see is that it's not just him, right? It's that he's bringing in the all stars, RFK and Tulsi and, you know, the long list and Elon, obviously, in Vivek and a long list of people. One of the other ones that I mentioned yesterday, and I'm really hoping this thing happens. This is from Washington Post, because we try to play, we try to credit organizations, even if we don't love them, if they occasionally say something roughly true. Jay Bhattacharya, an NIH critic, emerges as a top candidate to lead the agency. That's actually factual journalism. He is a NIH critic and he is a top candidate to lead the agency. That would be fantastic. Obviously, I've had him on the show many times. He was one of the calmer heads during COVID We'll see what happens there. And then yesterday. This is a spectacular one from Linda McMahon, wife of Vince McMahon, founder and president of the WWE. Thank you, Mr. President, for your trust in me to serve as Secretary of Education. And I am hopeful of Senate confirmation. I am deeply honored and humbled for this opportunity, and I am committed to working tirelessly to ensure every student has access to a quality education. I've witnessed the transformative power of education both in the classroom and also in apprenticeship programs. All students should be equipped with the necessary skills to prepare themselves for a successful future. I look forward to working with, to working collaboratively with students, educators, parents and communities to strengthen our education system, ensuring every child, regardless of their demographics, is prepared for a bright future. Thank you for this extraordinary opportunity. I am ready to serve Linda McMahon. Now, for those of you that don't know Linda McMahon, we've got a little video here of Linda McMahon, some of the things she's been up to over the years. I think we're going to play a little something. She's going to be there. That's her daughter, Stephanie McMahon. And this is a nice mother daughter moment. Worse than over here. And then, oh, my. Quick left hand on the block. Look at that. Nobody should take that kind of guff from there. Oh, no, they're not going to do that to Linda McMahon. The woman's got to be 60. Oh, was that the referee that got Involved there. Oh, here we go. A. This is a different. Oh, your own mother. To your own mother. She's. Oh, she stuck her mother down. Look at Tate. That is the new. That's her son right there. That's her son. Oh, what's he gonna do? Bam. Yeah. I'm getting back into wrestling. That's it. I'm back, baby. Yeah. It's okay, Linda. You hit him. Face. Yeah. You know what that feels like to be slapped in the face? You know what? You're just about to find out what that feels like to get slapped in the face. No, no. Tell her with the crinkly hair, she looks meaner. It's. No, that's what it feels like to get slapped in the face. Now you, you might, you might be watching that, going, maybe that woman shouldn't be Secretary of Education, but actually she should be, because I don't know if you know this, but the WWE wrestling, it's fake. It's kayfabe. It's a business that she and Vince McMahon turned into a multi billion dollar business over the last four decades, roughly. I just watched, I mentioned it on the show a couple weeks ago. The Mr. McMahon documentary on Netflix. Six episodes, hour each. You can do it in a weekend. And it's a wonderful story. Not just if you like wrestling and Hulk Hogan and Andre the Giant and the rest of it, but you see how they follow culture, how they build a business, how they. People knew it was fake. And yet you have real. Even watching that, you have real emotions like, oh, my God, she's slapping her mom. But it's all fake. The point is that this is a woman who knows how to run an unbelievable business empire. And in the statement that she released right there, she's talking basically about school choice and that it doesn't matter what your zip code is. We're gonna make sure that everyone has a strong education. And she might just go in there and blow apart the Department of Education, and we'll kick things back to the states and we'll get more choice in the system. So that was obviously just some silly stuff to show you. But, you know, if she gets in there and takes Randy Weingarten and slaps her around, I think that would be pretty good. Randy Weingarten's the president of the teachers union. Oh, here's one more video. This is one more. And I'll read the tweet to you as we're showing you this. Linda McMahon one. Remember that time the next governor of Tennessee, Glenn Jacobs, Tombstone. The next Department of Education Secretary Linda McMahon. Watch this. Watch this. No. No. Why? Oh. If you don't think. Ladies and gentlemen, if you don't think America is back. I don't know what better example I could show you that, like, what if things actually start becoming fun again again? I know that's silly and ridiculous and you may not like wrestling, but what if we actually have competent people who also know how to do television? They know how to have a presence. Pete Hegseth, it's not just that he has a great pedigree in the army, it's that he's been a television host. Vivek obviously can explain these ideas, and he's built tech companies, right? Do I have to get into it with Elon RFK, like Linda McMahon? You're going to take people who have multiple talents in multiple discipline, right? And you're gonna put them out there to sell the new America, right? Which is gonna look a lot more like the old America than the America that America's been for the last decade or two decades because of these lunatics. Let's jump over to CNN for just a second, because, you know, when I show you these WWE clips. Who likes wwe? Well, it's mostly young men, right? Like, there's some, like, release there and testosterone and fighting and all of that stuff. I used to love it when I was a kid, and I'm bizarrely getting into it again. And one of the things that's popped up over the last couple years is that there is a crisis for young men. They don't have good role models. They're being taught that they're evil because they're just men or they're young or all of this stuff. They're being crushed by porn or video games or all of these things. And this is one of the things, by the way, that put Jordan Peterson on the map years ago. When Jordan Peterson first came around, he started talking to young men, clean your room, sit up straight with your shoulders back, et cetera, et cetera. And people were like, he's radicalizing young men for taking responsibility over their lives. Well, ironically, even that. The idea that we've had a crisis for young men, even that now has burst forth in the mainstream because no one can deny it anymore. Here's Scott Jennings, the one guy on CNN who occasionally makes sense.
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Ben Affleck
I do think we have a crisis of especially young men in this country. And they're in many ways disconnected from the rest of their families, disconnected from their communities, disconnected from our political culture, disconnected from our civil culture. And that's a real problem for a society that depends on all of us to be engaged and working together to make it as good of a country and as good of a society as it. As it can be. I think the Democrats in this election made men feel like that the patriarchy is over, boys, and we're going to put you in the back seat for a while, and you're just going to have to accept it without any thought to the ramifications of telling people who are out honestly trying to make a living, provide for their families, be good husbands, be good fathers. When you tell people who are doing their level best that either, A, it's not good enough, or B, you're part of the problem, what do you expect? And then finally, as a political tactic, you know, the attempt to put walls on the ticket and that was going to somehow solve all of the problems that had been built up for years was ridiculous because it turns out Walls was the last person that men wanted to hear from. And I remember at the beginning of that whole campaign, when they put him on, I sat right here and people were like, oh, they got camouflaged hats. They're going to be wearing them in the deer stands this fall. And I think to your point that you just made, that was not that that idea, that was not formulated by a bunch of dudes who actually go deer hunting. It was come up with by a bunch of people who've never met a dude that actually goes deer hunting. But when you try to put that kind of window dressing on a real communications problem or a real relationship problem, it gets exposed immediately.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah. I mean, every word of what he just said there is. Right. He's connecting it to what they have done and said to young men for so long that has led to now this, I would say, cultural shift, that largely this MMA thing. It's why I'm always talking about the MMA stuff, even though it's not really my thing. Suddenly I'm into wrestling again. It's like there's something about young men that now that went so awry that is now leading to the cultural shift that's connected to the return of Trump. Right. It's obvious and it's real and it's true. Interestingly, I don't know if you noticed this. One of the guys that he was sitting next to, that was Montel Williams, who banged Kamala Harris. So now he, I guess, is on cnn. That's pretty cool. Wouldn't it be funny, though? Can you just go back to any portion of that video when you see the Big table there and it's like, wouldn't it be great? Instead of these people just, they all hate him. Like, it's very obvious if you look like she hates this guy, right? Obviously they all hate him. And then you see the other guy with the beard and everybody, he is not into this guy. Wouldn't it be better if they just all started wrestling right now? If Scott Jennings just turned and slapped Montel Williams across the face and then the woman got piled dry? That's the type of television I would watch. But anyway, the point of all of this is it's deeply connected to what's now happening politically. And when you look at the return of Trump, it might also be because people look at him and they're like, boy, for all the crazy things he says and all the over the top whatever, that actually, you know, he's got all these. All of his children around him and they're all functional and they're in marriages and he has grandchildren around him, and his granddaughter spoke at the Republican National Convention. And then there's videos like this from probably, I don't know, this has got to be 15 years ago about. Or 14 years ago, something like that. Here's. Well, now to be President Trump. But this is way before he was in politics. Donald Trump giving a little advice to his son, Barron Trump. Goodbye. Goodbye.
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Javier Milei
I want all A's, Okay?
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Andrew Sorkin
Okay.
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Javier Milei
All A's.
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Dave Rubin
And when you get older, what are you gonna remember? No drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes. And you know what else? No tattoos. I don't ever want to see tattoos on you. You. That's exactly what I tell the team in the morning. And you failed me with the tattoos. Phoenix has. We showed it once on locals. I'm not going to make you show it to the entire interior. What's it called? He went to Thailand and got his whole. You don't want people to know this. It's okay. It's okay. You did it. You should be proud of it. He has an entire back tattoo. It's the craziest thing I've ever seen, but it's giving you wisdom. And don't smoke cigarettes, okay? I want you off the cigarette. He doesn't smoke cigarettes. It's okay if Phoenix's mom is watching. I've never seen him smoke a cigarette. He knows about the tattoo, though, right? All right, otherwise that would have been weird. Anyway, the point is, the guy's a good father, obviously. Like, I've, you know, I hang out with Don all the time and he doesn't drink, actually. And the other children, they're there. And I'm not saying anything. I'm coming out with tea lights. It's not about drinking exactly, but like that. There are basic lessons in life that you can learn properly. When we have good people, when we have good men and good fathers involved and all of those things, that we can fix all that and not listen to the hysterical lunatics that have been preaching to us for so long. We got a rubinreport.locals.com community Q&A in just a sec. Let me talk to you about 1775 coffee first guys, Peaberry coffee isn't your average bean. It's coffee's best kept secret. Only 5% of coffee beans grow as peaberries, making them denser, more flavorful and packed with bold energy to kickstart your mornings. This isn't just coffee. It's a richer, more powerful brew. 1775 Peaberry coffee is for those who refuse to compromise. 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Did you think in 2015 when you started this political evolution, that you'd one day be so involved in shaping the long form interview and sitting down with titans in business, politics and culture? Or has the journey completely taken you by surprise and exceeded even your wildest imagination? Wow, that's a good question. I think. Well, some of the people that spoke that I've interviewed obviously included J.D. vance and Donald Trump himself and Byron Donalds and Dr. Phil and Rudy Giuliani and RFK and Tulsi and Don Jr. And I've obviously become friends with some of these people and everything else I have to say, I mean it sounds like I don't mean this it's weird. It's like, I genuinely don't mean this to pat myself on the back, but I know that what we did here over this last decade actually was important because it got us back to this thing. And I'm very, very proud of that. And I don't think, you know, when I started doing the long form interviews again, you know, everyone and their brother has a podcast now. It's why we actually do a little bit less of the long form. I'm actually enjoying this more now. The Daily show, your response to it. Clearly I'm filling a void that is needed and I really love doing it and my team loves doing it. It's great. And it's like the long form interview, which we used to do a couple of a week. We're doing basically one week now. And we've been saying our phrase around here is we want to do more boutique interviews. We want to do people that it's something really unique is happening or it really pertains to what's going on in the culture right now. And part of that it's not just because I enjoy doing this direct to you thing more, but it's also because, you know, there's way more people doing long form interviews now. I should mention also Tucker Carlson spoke at MSG that night. Grant Cardone. So it was in many ways is. I don't know, it was probably 80% of the people who were on stage were people that I've either had in my house or that I've interviewed or whatever it might be. So I'm really, really proud that to whatever extent I've just tried to tell people what I think, I've been honest about my political evolution and everything else, that that thing became deeply connected to what just caused a revolution in this country. And I'm really, really proud of that. And I guess I could have never thought it. I could have never thought it. When I started doing those long form interviews back in 2014 or so, I was doing it because everybody was going small. It was when Snapchat first came out, there was vine6second videos on Twitter. Everything was getting smaller. And I was friends with Larry King, or we were just at the beginning of a friendship and I was like, I want to do that. I remember watching Larry King on 8:00pm on CNN five nights a week. He was doing long form interviews with. He'd have Frank Sinat on one night and then like the cast of Friends on the next night. And then he'd sit down with, you know, a prime minister from Here. And the Pope and I was like, that's fun and interesting. And so, yes, I guess we did a little bit something. Do we have some other photos that you're referring to or something? Yeah. Oh. So. Well, we'll get to this in just a second. I think you're jumping ahead on that one. That what that is. But Mauser says, I find it curious that people will quickly forgive Biden for the massive damage he and his handlers have committed upon the US since he appears to be more red than blue at the moment. Not trying to step on any toes here, just an observation. Well, I don't know. You know, it's interesting because the first thing that I said the day after the election was Biden has an incredible opportunity. And I wanted to publicly say it so that other people will start saying it too, so that maybe it could influence whatever is going to happen over the next couple of months. Meaning Biden, you don't have to placate to the wackadoodle progressives anymore. They are the ones that ruined your legacy, ruined your presidency, forced you out of office, all of the stuff, it's because of them, and you don't have to play with them anymore. Now people are saying, oh, he's like, you know, he had the good meeting with Trump and there were a lot of smiles. And Jill Biden, when she voted, was wearing red. So there's this implication that they really don't like the Democrats or clearly Obama and Biden don't like each other. All of that stuff. I don't know that he. I certainly wouldn't call him red. I mean, look, he just decided to ramp up the Ukraine, Russia war. That's not a good idea. And that's definitely not red. Certainly not part of what MAGA wants. Right. So it's not exactly that he's red, as much as he will have to decide how absolutely insane he wants to go or whether he wants to pave a legacy. In the last two months that I think most Americans could get on board and be like, all right, you screwed up a lot of stuff, Joe, but on your way out, you helped Trump make sure the border was going to be okay, you didn't do anything to exacerbate the war, et cetera, et cetera, I would give the slightest credit I could possibly give to Biden. Yesterday there was a big, you know, the un, which is a total farce. They tried to pass another resolution as it relates to the Israel, Gaza war, and they were calling for an immediate ceasefire. And the US Representatives Vetoed it because they said, well, you gotta get the hostages back first. You can't just end the war while hostages are still there there. So that's a little credit to Biden maybe. But at the same time, it's the same week while they're ramping up the Ukraine thing. So it's hard to say, Hey, 26 says Dave, are you a believer in the born in the USA automatically a US citizen concept? Many European countries have dropped this and Trump has promised to do so. No, I'm not. You know, this is what people call anchor babies. Basically, if you come here illegally or if you come here on vacation, if you literally, as an eight month pregnant woman, come here on vacation and have your baby here, the baby gets citizenship. Like that's, that's actually insane. It doesn't really make sense. I don't even know what the, if I was trying to steal, man, the counterargument to that. I'm not even exactly sure what it would be. But these are all the things that we're going to have to have just serious conversations about. You can come to America. We want good people to come here. We even. It's not even just good people. We want people who are fleeing, who are struggling when applicable and if our systems can handle it. But I think what we have to do right now, and it's very obvious this administration is going to do it, or at least it's the stated goal of the administration, we're going to protect the border, we're going to deport a certain amount of people and then we're going to fix our institutions. How about we just fix our institutions, get rid of some of the waste, get our economy going again, start reversing so much of the rot that has happened and then we can have some honest discussions about, okay, how many of these people can we take in from here who may be fleeing this versus how many people can we take, let's say, who are just highly skilled, that we actually need to work or whatever the reason might be, but we gotta do one thing at a time. And one of the things that I'm very pleased about is that it does seem like the adults are back and we'll see if the adults are up to the job. LiveWell, Alaska says, When will your tequila be available? 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Eurasian says, do you think Obama invoking the very fine people hoax will do the same kind of damage to his reputation and credibility that the weapons of mass destruction hoax ultimately did to Colin Powell? I actually think it might do more. I think that him doing the very fine people thing two days before the election, I actually think that the that exposing that and that's why I was hitting it so hard. I think that actually did break some people to not vote for Kamala and realize how bad the lies are. For that guy to pull off a lie that has been so debunked at such a magnitude for so long for him to try to pull that off. It wasn't just like I'm gonna lie to you, it's like I'm gonna lie to you and you're all a bunch of fucking idiots and just be a bunch of fucking idiots. And I think at some point even people who are completely blue pilled and confused by the system and everything else, like, you can only lie to people so much, so many times, over and over at such a magnitude. And I hope the fact that Joe Rogan was at the day before the election that he endorsed Trump, finally, the fact that he brought that up and was like, how is he getting away with this? I don't know that Rogan has ever talked about that before. The very fine people hoax. So the fact that it's a hoax has so burst forth into the culture now and that he was still doing it, I hope it does irreparable damage to him. He is the prime driver of so much what is wrong with this country right now. And I don't have a lot of regrets in life because I think usually the things that you did wrong, if you learn from them and straighten up, you kind of needed those things along the way. But I do regret ever voting for the guy. Cindy says your interview with Jillian Michaels was amazing. Was there anything you discovered about her that surprised or shocked you? We had never connected before. We had spoke on the phone, I think once or twice before. We actually sat down that day a couple weeks ago. And sometimes you just meet somebody that you just absolutely adore and you're like, boy, we've known each other forever. We're the same age, came out of the same generation. Like, all of our references were the same. I love the fact that she's been a sort of factory setting lefty her whole life. And she's waking up and you can see she's doing a dance around it and doesn't want to alienate her audience that's on the left and is still trying to be sweet with a lot of those people. And I'm kind of like, you'll see, it's not going to quite work. But she's doing her thing. Her and her wife stayed over for dinner and we had a couple people over and just absolutely hit it off with her. And I saw the reaction to that interview, by the way, which went crazy viral on Twitter when she officially said that she was voting for Trump. And I think all of those things to connect this to that first question that was asked about MSG and all the people there that I've interviewed and all that. It's like we've been right in the center of this thing and I think that's a. Well, it's a function of doing something that is true. How about that? That if enough of us just start doing something true, we can actually build back a good center again. And that's probably what we need more than anything else, Devon says. Dave, now that we have some time to look back, what do you think of Matt Gaetz leading the chaotic effort to dump Speaker McCarthy? It escapes me to see how going from him to Mike Johnson looks anything other than pointless. Interesting. Do we have the image of me and McCarthy? One of the great events that I did in the last couple years was right after McCarthy became House Speaker. They invited us and we took about, I don't know, 60 or 70 locals, community members, to the Capitol, and we did a live interview in the Capitol there. And then McCarthy and his staff gave us a tour of the Capitol and they had just reopened after Covid, and it was really, really wonderful. And by the way, I had interviewed Matt Gaetz the day before that in D.C. so I've tried to talk to all of these people, even the ones that don't really like each other. But to your question, you can go back, go back to my, if you can find him, go back to when Gates was getting rid of McCarthy and I kept saying, you know, McCarthy, people don't like him. He seems a little milquetoast or something, whatever it is, but like he actually was doing a lot of the work to rein in the spending and everything else. The two most libertarian anti spending members of Congress, Thomas Massie from Kentucky and Chiproy from Texas, they loved McCarthy. They felt he was doing a great job. So Gates made a political move. But your question, in essence is, so did things get magically better from McCarthy to Johnson? Sorry, I was gonna say Smith for some reason. Smith, Johnson to Johnson. And it's like, not really. I think Johnson's been just fine. But has he in any measurable way? I would love if some of you have an example of it. Has he been measurably better than McCarthy? Maybe, but I don't think there's any evidence of it. So I think it was more of a political stunt for Gates. And I actually see that the next question is about Gates as well. Eagle Landing says, hey, Dave, here's a thought. If it appears that Matt Gaetz will not get through the Senate confirmation process, Gaetz polls his nomination, and Governor DeSantis chooses Gaetz to fill the Senate seat vacated by Senator Marco Rubio. Democrats will lose their minds. Thoughts? I mean, that's actually not the craziest thing I've ever heard. And perhaps it's kind of likely. You know, DeSantis has a, has a major power play here because if assuming Rubio gets confirmed and he will, like there's. I haven't really heard any pushback against Rubio. He's qualified. He's a good statesman. He's been in the Senate long enough. Like, this is a guy who should be Secretary of State. So assuming he then has to leave the Senate, now It's up to DeSantis, the governor, to choose the replacement. If Gates, for whatever reason, if they can't get enough votes there, and by the way, I think they might. I have a feeling there's so much momentum behind everything that Trump is doing right now that I don't see any Republicans really going against him. Maybe you get a couple, but I think some Democrats might even go that direction. Gates and DeSantis, I think, have a fairly good relationship. Gates was DeSantis transition chief of staff in 2018 after he won the governorship the first time around. So it would be an interesting move. It's like, okay, you guys don't want him in Trump's cabinet? Well, bada bing, bada boom. He's going to be senator. How do you like that? So we shall see. Guys, a little something from Rumble Premium and then back to the questions. When Rumble first started in 2013, they built the platform for the small creator. They didn't censor or have biases. 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Locals Joe says, do you have any feedback or reviews in regards to Dr. Jordan Peterson's new book, we who Wrestle with God. So today I think Jordan Peterson's 500th podcast comes out and yours truly is the guest and I really think you'll enjoy it. We went for about two and a half hours, that was last week. We shot that in Phoenix and we had a great conversation, not only just doing a little bit of our history together. And it was eight years ago, literally this week that I had him on the show for the first time. And just so much in the world has changed and clearly the things we've talked about have connected to everything that's happening culturally and politically and all that stuff. And his new book, we who Wrestle with God, he gave me this, this copy which is signed for me. I'm not going to show you the, the inscription there, but the book just came out this week. We talked a bit about the book and sort of connected it to some of the things happening politically. I have not read it yet. I'm do my best reading on the plane and I am going to Vegas tomorrow for the day so hopefully I can catch up on a little bit of reading. We're doing a couple podcasts in Vegas. We'll have more on that next week. Was the question have I read it yet? What was the specific question? Oh, do I have any feedback or reviews? So no, I haven't. First off, I generally, I don't care about reviews. I can tell you this having read 12 Rules for Life and More Rules and I even tried to read Maps of Me, which was Jordan's first book, which Jordan even says was like so dense and complex. It was very, it was a thick, tough read. He has unbelievable prose and an incredible way of writing. And I have also seen him, I've sat with him when he was writing 12 more rules. We were on the 12 rules tour and I was working on Don't Burn this book for the first time. And sometimes we'd be even at an airport and we'd be sitting next to each other with our laptops, both writing. And the way he would write, he would have, like, his main document up and literally, like, two or three other windows next to it where he'd be rewriting the sentence. And I was always like, am I writing correctly? I'm just trying to write. And then I delete things that I write. But there's only one page, and he'd have four windows up, all to create one sentence. So the guy's just. He's a magical author. And I have no doubt the book is spectacular. Marnie says. Dave, do you have any feel for whether Governor DeSantis will take another stab at the president at a presidential run in the future? I don't. I actually. I have no idea. And I think it's way too early to think about it. I think that DeSantis, whatever he does in the future, he has proven himself to be an unbelievably competent executive. And whether that's in the private sector or whether it's as President of the United States or potentially in this administration in the future or something like that, I just know he would do a great job. Yes, we can all make the arguments that maybe he didn't run a great campaign. I don't even think those arguments are worth making. I think they're. There was something happening with Trump that now seems very, very obvious. I don't regret supporting the guy at all. And I think it was worth, to the Republicans credit. They had a primary. They had a primary. The Democrats didn't even have a primary. And then look what happened. So DeSantis future is bright one way or another. And we'll do a sit down with him, I think, in the beginning of the new year. And maybe we could talk a bit about that. Elizabeth says pumpkin pie or pecan piece? Pie. I'm actually more of an apple pie guy. Not a huge fan of the pumpkin pie. Even Halloween, we had a lot of pumpkins around here. There was pumpkin things being made. Not a big pumpkin guy. Pecan pie is not bad, but I would say I'm an apple pie guy more than anything else. Glenn J. 61 says, which Trump appointments do you have the highest hopes that they can make positive changes for our country? And who do you see have the most difficult jobs if they all get confirmed? Boy, that's a rich one. Whose job is the most difficult. Right. So it's like, okay, so Rubio, as Secretary of State, to really go in there and with the fires that are happening throughout the world right now, to really communicate, like, America's back. We're not doing this bullshit anymore. We're ending this Ukraine fiasco. We're gonna help Israel get the hostages back, six of whom are American. There's some real work that needs to be done. On top of everything that's happening with China and Taiwan. Like to go in there and just say to the world, like, we are back. There's gonna be some real work that needs to be done there. But you could probably make the real work argument could be made across the board, like Vivek and Elon going in and having to just slash agencies left and right and deal with the fallout of that and the pushback. You know, RFK at Health and Human Services and figuring out what's going on with the VAX is like, there's. So that's the thing. There is so much, much work to be done here. Tulsi at DNI Intelligence, figuring out, like, what has happened with our intelligence agencies and are they operating against the American people? And, like, there's just so much there. So I don't know who has the hardest job, per se. I think they all will have difficult jobs. They'll be fighting a very hostile media. But fortunately, that hostile media will be largely disappearing. I also saw yesterday that Trump apparently is going to give press passes at the White House, press briefing things to podcasters and online people. So maybe we'll do like, every other Friday trip to D.C. and I'll get in there and see what's what. So, yeah, it's going to be big jobs for everybody. But I think the most important. That's why I think, yeah, that's it. The most important one, I think right now probably is Rubio just getting up there and saying, America's back and the world better accept that. And guess what? The world will be a lot better. And secretly, that's what the world wants. All the good people of the world world. You want a good America leading the world. And that also is connected to why I think we're going to get to an 80s kind of revival, because that's what we had back then. Kelly says, okay, Dave, you said you'd be in Vegas on Friday. If you do a Rubin get together, let us know and you'll be there. Am I going to be there for the F1 race? If so, if so, be prepared. The strip is a racetrack. Also, do you have a favorite team or driver. So we will be in Vegas on Friday. I will mention to the locals community where I'm going to be at some point. We have a couple podcasts that we're doing and then we'll make our rounds in some of the casinos and wander the strip and all that good stuff. Remember what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. And I, you know, I'm not a huge racing guy. I'm not. I'm not a huge racing guy. I can tell you that being friends with Adam Corolla, who is a huge racing guy. I've been to his garage where he has, I think he said Adam has the largest collection of Paul Newman cars in the world. Paul Newman obviously was an incredibly famous racer. Not just actor but racer and created the tomato sauce, the socaroni and all that stuff. So yeah, but it really I'm getting back into WWE right now. Maybe racing is along my conservative evolution. How does it work? It goes you get into guns, then you get back into wrestling and then you're into race cars, right? And then you're just living in a forest like with a bear. That's pretty much how it works. That sounded like a gay joke, but it wasn't. I've enjoyed this program. We don't have a post game right? Because we got to get on Newsmax. Okay, sorry, no post game show today because I'm jumping on News Max with John Bachman in just a second. And tomorrow we've got panel show Isabel Brown and Winston Marshall which we're pre taping today but will be debut tomorrow at the normal time 11am Eastern. I thank you for watching. We leave you with some lady that you won't have to know much about in the near future. Thanks for tuning in to the Rubin Report. You can watch the show live every weekday at 11am Eastern and 8am Pacific on Rumble Locals and YouTube. Don't forget to rate, review, share and subscribe to this podcast and you can join me for the post game wrap up every day after the show@reubenreport.locals.com.