Did the UK Just Pass the Point of No Return? | Tommy Robinson

Summary

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The Rubin Report: Did the UK Just Pass the Point of No Return?

Guest: Tommy Robinson
Host: Dave Rubin
Episode Date: February 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this tense and wide-ranging episode, Dave Rubin sits down with British activist and controversial figure Tommy Robinson to revisit the major developments in UK politics, immigration, and free speech since their first interview a decade earlier. Together, they dissect Robinson's personal journey, the sweeping cultural and demographic changes in Britain, the rise of religious and identity-driven politics, and the warnings Robinson has for America as he argues the US is following the same perilous path as his home country.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Revisiting History and Personal Background

• [01:26] Reflecting on a Decade:
  The episode opens with Dave and Tommy reminiscing on their 2016 interview, noting how much has changed in both their lives and in Western politics.

  “It took us 10 years, 10 years later, proven right about everything we said.” — Tommy Robinson [02:18]

• [02:48] Tommy's Upbringing and Awareness:
  Robinson shares his childhood experiences in Luton, one of Europe’s most diverse towns, describing early divides along religious and ethnic lines, especially between Muslim and non-Muslim communities. He details witnessing and later fighting against grooming gangs and the institutional silence he claims allowed such crimes to proliferate.

• [03:38] Robinson’s Activism and Consequences:
  He explains founding the English Defence League (EDL) and escalating from street-level protests to political activism. Robinson emphasizes that confronting these issues led to relentless legal battles and prison time:

  “From that point, Dave, this is an incredible. Like that was 2009. I started talking on the streets. It took three weeks before my first dawn raid by the police. And from that Point until right now...I’ve not had one single moment where I’ve not been away in prison in that entire time.” — Tommy Robinson [08:42]

2. Media, State, and Free Speech

• [06:17] Media, Law Enforcement, and Government Complicity:
  Robinson asserts there was a "conspiracy of silence" across state institutions, with prominent figures like Keir Starmer implicated in not pursuing grooming gang prosecutions to avoid upsetting the Labor party's "block vote."

• [06:40] Media Reaction and Isolation:
  When Robinson first campaigned against grooming gangs, he says he was shocked by how he became the target instead of a hero exposing wrongdoing. Rubin corroborates the backlash:

  “When I put you on, I got more hate than I had ever experienced.” — Dave Rubin [01:50]

• [18:22] Changing Demographics and Political Power:
  The hosts discuss how demographic changes, particularly through immigration, have tangibly shifted political allegiances and power structures — with identity-based voting (especially along religious lines) now dominating UK elections.

3. Current Events: Political Realignment and Identity Politics

• [11:48] Green Party’s Electoral Win:
  Analysis of a recent by-election where the Green Party, with open support from Muslim communities, toppled Labor. Robinson sees this as proof that voting now follows religious identity more than traditional left-right divides:

  “They’ll literally just vote in by religious lines, which is what this was, which is the future.” — Tommy Robinson [13:47]

• [13:38] Focus on Gaza:
  British political discourse, according to Robinson, has been dominated by foreign issues—specifically Gaza—rather than domestic problems like grooming gangs:

  “Our entire election was about Gaza. And that’s because labor didn’t hate the Jews enough, didn’t hate Israel enough.” — Tommy Robinson [13:38]

• [17:00] US Parallels:
  Robinson draws comparisons with demographic-driven politics in Minnesota and New York, warning America is simply behind the UK on the same trajectory.

4. Immigration, Crime, and Cultural Erosion

• [19:21] Cultural Displacement:
  Both describe modern London and other cities as unrecognizable due to immigration and the establishment of insular communities.

  “London is 33% English...If we put a blindfold on and we walked you in the street, you wouldn’t know where you are. You think you’re in Karachi.” — Tommy Robinson [18:58]

• [21:22] Rape and Crime Statistics:
  Robinson and Rubin cite statistics and anecdotes alleging a link between rise in rapes and the presence of migrant and Muslim communities. Robinson criticizes what he calls the media’s refusal to address these issues.

• [25:39] Religious Hatred and Political Violence:
  Discussion of antisemitism and anti-Christian sentiment—rooted, Robinson claims, in Islamic scripture—fuels not just foreign, but local crime and terrorism.

5. The Weaponization of Institutions and Judicial Persecution

• [44:43] Lawfare and Silencing Dissent:
  Robinson details his most recent court cases, severe sentences for what he describes as telling the truth, and the prohibitions placed on him:

  “I wore a button and a camera...Seven teachers saying they were paid not to tell the truth.” — Tommy Robinson [44:43]

  He links his experience to figures like Donald Trump and Alex Jones, describing lawfare as the establishment's chief weapon:

  “Pick any populist political leader in Europe...court case, court case, court case. It’s a weapon they use against you.” — Tommy Robinson [55:39]

• [52:30] Building a Movement:
  Robinson explains his attempt to unite UK right-wing influencers and dissidents of all kinds into a "United Kingdom" movement, inspired by MAGA, aiming to mobilize the previously disaffected working class.

• [56:54] Grassroots Mobilization:
  Large public rallies, shifting the movement away from street brawling to family-friendly, cultural patriotism.

  “We built a movement to give you a voice...the biggest event in British history...people see their culture disappearing, they see it, we're witnessing it.” — Tommy Robinson [55:52]

6. American Politics and the Global Stakes

• [62:01] The American Pivot:
  Rubin and Robinson repeatedly stress the interconnectedness of Western nations’ fates—casting the 2016 Trump election and Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter/X as epochal events that reverberated globally:

  “You voted to save Western civilization. You gave us hope. Now, hope is contagious.” — Tommy Robinson [62:01]

• [63:04] The Primacy of Free Speech
  Elon Musk’s actions are extolled as saviors of free speech, vital for civilizational survival:

  “Elon Musk will be remembered throughout history…for saving Western civilization through free speech.” — Tommy Robinson [63:25]

• [66:56] The Final Warning:
  Robinson issues an urgent call to Americans, warning not to be complacent:

  “America, get ready, wake up, speak truth to power. Never let them do to you what they’ve done to us… It’s about your country, your history, everything.” — Tommy Robinson [66:56]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On institutional complicity:

  “The totalitarian state has weapons and tentacles…the media, the judiciary. So once I started talking about this, all of their weapons…come at me.” — Tommy Robinson [07:18]

• On the demographic shift’s political impact:

  “The Green Party won because they got the Muslim vote and they got the Muslim vote because they hate the Jews and they hate Israel and they’ll speak publicly about that.” — Tommy Robinson [17:07]

• On Tucker Carlson:

  “How fucking dare you come into our country…to diminish the rape of our country. How dare you?” — Tommy Robinson [26:51]

• On judicial and governmental overreach:

  “A mother, Lucy Conley, was given 31 months in jail for a tweet that she deleted after an hour.” — Tommy Robinson [40:13]

• On unity and grassroots mobilization:

  “If you change the culture, you change the politics. So we organized our first event and we made it about British identity, British culture.” — Tommy Robinson [51:39]

• On the fate of Western civilization:

  “If you lose your speech, there’s no speech in the world. If you lose your freedom, there’s no freedom in the world.” — Tommy Robinson [63:04] “You cannot run from this. And it's better to deal with it now before it's too late.” — Tommy Robinson [65:40]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• [01:26] — Reflecting on 10 Years; Past interview fallout
• [02:48–06:40] — Tommy Robinson’s childhood, EDL founding, grooming gang claims
• [08:53] — Prison, dawn raids, state persecution
• [11:48] — Green Party victory, identity-voting in UK politics
• [13:38] — Gaza dominates UK political discourse
• [18:58] — London’s transformation; cultural and demographic shift
• [22:22] — Crime and immigration statistics
• [25:39] — Religion, antisemitism, worldview conflicts
• [31:25] — Debate clip rebuttal: Piers Morgan & Gadsad
• [36:33] — Rupert Lowe Parliament speech; lawfare focus
• [40:13] — Free speech erosion, legal harassment
• [44:43] — Lawfare against Robinson and others
• [52:30–57:11] — Building a nationalist coalition; “Uniting the Kingdom” rallies
• [62:01] — Call to Americans; Western civilization’s crossroads
• [66:56] — Final warning: “Get ready… Never let them do to you what they’ve done to us.”

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Tone and Language

The tone is combative, urgent, and emotional, reflecting both Robinson’s personal style and the high stakes both guests ascribe to these issues. Rubin adopts an empathetic but challenging posture, pressing Robinson at times but largely serving as a platform for his warnings to American audiences.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode is a full-throated warning from Tommy Robinson: Britain’s experience of demographic and cultural change, the erosion of free speech, and the resulting political realignments should serve as an urgent warning to Americans. He urges the US to defend free speech, recognize the dangers of identity-driven politics, and resist the patterns that, he claims, have brought the UK to a point of no return.

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Transcript

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[Tommy Robinson]

Dave, it's a pleasure to be here.

[Dave Rubin]

It's good to see you. I am going to show a picture right now that is either gonna make us feel real old or real young because we last did this. I cannot believe this. That is February 6, 2016. We did this 10 years ago. My show was just kind of taken off. All right, get rid of that image. We've glowed up.

[Tommy Robinson]

I can't wait. I think we've aged a lot more.

[Dave Rubin]

We're doing all right, man. We really are doing okay. But that was when my show just started taking off and I was leaving the left and I had had a couple controversial people on. Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray. But when I put you on, I got more hate than I had ever experienced. And even to this day, 10 years later might be the most hate I ever got for one episode. So here we are 10 years later. It took us 10 years, 10 years

[Tommy Robinson]

later, proven right about everything we said.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, you have been proven right about basically everything back then. The media narrative around you, you were this sort of far right maniac, racist, all the usual stuff. But for, for people that don't know anything about you, can you give me like the 2 or 3 minute bio on who you are? And then we're going to dive into clips and history and the politics of your country, which sadly we seem to be following the same way on these shores and everything else. So just a, a little bio for the people that don't know.

[Tommy Robinson]

So your life experiences shape who you are and your worldview. I was born in a town called luton, which is 30 miles north of London. When I was born in 1982, we had one mosque, we now have five. So I've witnessed. And Luton's one of the most diverse towns in Europe, so I've grown up with most people who are sons of immigrants. My mother was an Irish immigrant. Most my friends, St. Lucian, Bulgarian, Italian, Jamaican. So I saw a melting pot of people come together and then I understood how it works and how it doesn't work. And it basically divided itself through religious lines. That was my town. We had the Muslim playground and the non Muslim playground. I learned very quickly the hostility and the aggression from the Islamic community. There was something so different about them. And I'll put it down to being Pakistani. I didn't know much about Islam that come later on in life, but the Pakistani community was so different. You, you have a trouble with one, you've declared war with the whole tribe. But I've never seen anything like it. Then I saw the event and you

[Dave Rubin]

were noticing this as a kid or

[Tommy Robinson]

this is when you were as a child at school? Yeah, as a child at school I just saw it and, and I experienced it and it was something very different. And then, and then I experienced the abuse of our girls. My cousin was a victim of what we now call grooming gangs which are rape Jihad. It's groups of Muslim men in every town and city who are kidnapping, torturing and raping young girls. Now, the am thing about this, or the incredible thing about this is the police knew, the council knew, there was a conspiracy of silence by political leaders, religious leaders, all of them. Every institution that was supposed to protect the children turned a blind eye, allowed a generation of Britain's daughters to be raped in every town and see, because they were too scared to be called racist.

[Dave Rubin]

And Keir Starmer, your current Prime Minister, hopefully not Prime Minister for much longer, he had something to do with the COVID up?

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, he was in charge as well.

[Dave Rubin]

Before he was Prime Minister, he was

[Tommy Robinson]

in charge of the Crown Prosecution Service who made decisions not to prosecute any of these gangs. They actually viewed the children, some of them is 10 and 11, as though they were willing participants in child prostitution. That's, that's what they said. But they said that in order to not upset their block Vote because the Labor, Labor Party have imported and this is why there's such, there was such a furor against me. This is why that you receive so much hate. This is why I faced a relentless attack by the government and the British state from the day I opened my mouth. Because when I started open my mouth about these crimes, remember that no one was prosecuted for these crimes. If you, you can draw a graph, the graph goes like this, it's straight. I form an organization called the English Defense League, which was young English men coming together and we were hitting the streets in our thousands and demanding action. We made sure they couldn't keep it silent. We hit every town and city that had an Islamic community demanding that they stop treating our children, our daughters like halal me. So as we've done this, then a year later, the graph goes straight spiral where they had to start tackling these gangs behind corridors, behind closed doors and corridors of power. They had to do something. They knew it, they'd got away of it for 30 to 40 years. They'd allowed it to happen. So we formed an organization. And when I formed that organization, remember, every police force, every council has let this happen. So there'll be paper trials, there'll be history that shows their conspiracy. So of course, when I start talking about it, all the people who have risen up in power, I'll give you an example. Roveram was one of the major, major towns that the world knows about. There was 1, 400 children raped and that was that has a 3.7 Muslim population. But the man in charge of the police force at that time, who allowed it to happen, is now in charge of counterterrorism. So labor councillors who went to court and testified later on in defense of the Muslim rapists, they've up through the Labour Party. So all the people, including Keir Starmer, look at him, he's now, he's now in charge of the government. How can they have an independent inquiry? Why would they want an independent inquiry when it's going to show their dirty hands?

[Dave Rubin]

Were you shocked that just by bringing this up, you know, a decade plus ago that the way the media treated you. I know, I know that doesn't shock anybody now and we're all used to all of that and the way they treat Trump and the rest of us, but when you first started saying, hey, I'm just here to defend our young girls against rapists, did you think for a moment that the media was going to be with you and try to expose this stuff?

[Tommy Robinson]

When I, I started my first protest in 2004 where I got people together. I was a young 20, 20 years old. And it was called Ban the Lute and Taliban and a Islamic radical jihadist group which are now prescribed as terrorists. 60% of British Muslims in jail for terrorism. X members of this group. So like his but to here all these terrorist organizations, they're allowed to grow and the government were doing nothing. Yeah. So they're in my town. I looked up this organization. Their head office, Omar Bakri Abu Hamza, the head office was on Biscuit Road in Luton. Were recruiting in our town center to send people to fight against our forces abroad. And it wasn't like they were openly promoting jihad, openly promoting hatred. So I organized a demo. I've got about 200 young men. And we hit the town one Saturday. Now I made a leaflet and I handed the leaflets out. And in the Leaflet this is 2004. I said, they're targeting our daughters. They're using drugs as a weapon against us. They're getting them hooked on drugs and they're prostituting them in pedophilic gangs. That's now what we know with grooming. Yeah. This was 22 years ago. And I named the drug gangs because we. There's two different things. There's a religious fanatic and then there's a street level criminals. Now they work together, they work hand in hand. I named the drug gangs. The response to that. I faced an attack. My house got smashed up. All of the pack, all of the Pakistani gangs, all of them wanted to get me. So Fast forward to 2009 when I. We had a soldier's homecoming parade in Luton. The Islamic community and groups of them attacked the soldiers. I wanted to make a stand, but I knew what comes with it. I expected the threats of violence. I expected all the death threats. What I wasn't ready for was the full weight of the British state. I. I thought. I thought I lived in a free country. I thought we had free speech. I very quickly realized the country I thought I lived in is not the country that I live in. And once I started exercising my speech, I realized and, and this is. I've accepted now we live in a totalitarian state. And the totalitarian state has weapons and tentacles are the totalitarian state, the media, the judiciary. So once I started talking about this, all of their weapons they had come at me. And from that point, Dave, this is an incredible. Like that was 2009. I started talking on the streets. It took three weeks before my first dawn raid by the police. And from that Point until right now, through that whole 16 year period I've not had one single moment where I've not been away in prison in that entire time.

[Dave Rubin]

How much time have you spent in prison?

[Tommy Robinson]

I've spent two years of solitary confinement. I've had five, six prison sentences. I had 13 months for reporting outside of court case in Leeds, I had another 10 months. I had 18 months recently for making a documentary. But the problem they've got now. So we rise to fame. I obviously had the street protest movement. We're on the Streets 2016, 2017. I realized that back then, this was before social media is before the rise of these sorts of discussions. So you had to get on the streets back then, you had to get on the streets and then I realized that this is it, this is the power and what I need to do. And it's not like I've got crystal balls but every, every interview I give back then you can go and find the interviews, they've aged incredibly well and it's not because I had a crystal ball, it's because I've lived it. I've seen it. I've seen the way the police to come to them, I've seen the two tier policing. I've seen the way the government just surrendered to them and there's a reason they surrender to them. So my local labor council, again I'll just bring things back to my life experience 2013 I'm still involved in this street protest movement and I look at my local council and I look at the demographic pro projected growth forecast for the demographics in the town, the Pakistani and Bangladeshi community by 2030 which is a 17 year period, this is without any immigration, just the birth rate is going to increase by 70 to 77% now that's what, that's what that's going to do. The white and black community 1.2 to 1.4. So the local council, when I thought about it, well that's why we're irrelevant now. They don't care about us, we don't keep them power now. And then they have a leader of the council of mosques. So the leader of the council of mosques sits down with the Labour Party, they'll sit down with your Democrats party, they'll sit down with the Republicans and they'll offer them do you want our vote? We'll swing this seat and they can swing so many seats now we'll get onto it. But they've just done it last night.

[Dave Rubin]

So they've done it last night which we'll get to in just A second. I'm gonna have my guys put the link to our interview from 10 years ago below because I never watched my old interviews, but I actually watched it last night.

[Tommy Robinson]

What was we talking about?

[Dave Rubin]

Well, it was basically this. But it was. But it was predicting form still, right? It was. You were just beginning to figure out what was going on in some sense, or at least the public side of it. And everything that you said in the hour basically became true. So now it makes a hell of a lot of sense that you've paid a certain price and I got a lot of hate and all that stuff. So let's connect this now to what's happening quite literally yesterday in your country. It's from the New York Times. Green Party defeats Labor in UK special election in blow to Starmer. The result marks the first time the Greens have won a British parliamentary by election and signals the frustration of left leaning voters with Prime Minister Keir starmer. Hannah Specter, 34, a plumber by trade and a member of the area's local council won the se a district called Gorton and Denton, southeast of Manchester with about 15,000 votes or 41% of the vote. She will become the Green Party's fifth lawmaker in the British Parliament. So let me just quickly throw to a video of her dancing with the Green Party's deputy leader and then we can unpack this.

[Tommy Robinson]

The Green Party is where the party's at. And look at this. Bo Hannah. Spencer. Spencer. Spencer will not be silent. We will raise the voice of Gazda. We will raise the voice of Palestine.

[Dave Rubin]

Okay, so for people playing at home, obviously the spiced in part was not yesterday. That's just from a couple months ago. And now he's going to be a big member of the Green Party. She's dancing now while not wearing a hijab. That probably won't last very long. But can you explain people I think in America think, oh, the Labor Party is kind of the radical Democrat party here, but now you guys have injected a new situation with this Green Party.

[Tommy Robinson]

Well, do you really think that man screaming animat parks because the hell about the environment is that, is that what

[Dave Rubin]

are you telling me that guy doesn't like gays? Come on now, come on.

[Tommy Robinson]

So I'll tell you what's happened. So basically the Labour Party were importing and the governments were importing through mass open border immigration the Pakistani communities, the Muslim communities because they organized themselves like a military fashion. They were replacing when you the working class. That was the background I'm from when we Want to become successful, you move up and then you become a Conservative. Yeah. Once you start making money and you understand, a lot of them become conservative. And I guess that the Labor Party felt like they were being betrayed, I guess because then they just wanted to import a loyal vote bank. And that's what's been happening and that's what's been happening in America over the recent years. But when you look at that. So they import them in the Green Party. But the big fallout with labor, labor didn't hate the Jews enough. So. But in the last. Our whole election last time was about Gaza. Now, considering we've had an entire generation of British girls getting raped, there wasn't one mention of that. Our entire election was about Gaza. And that's because labor didn't hate the Jews enough, didn't hate Israel enough. So then what happened is you had

[Dave Rubin]

independence, even though there's an extreme amount,

[Tommy Robinson]

even though they hate.

[Dave Rubin]

Like. Like that's basically the party platform and not enough. Corbin, who's out. But like, this is what they've been doing for 10 years.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah. Not enough. Yeah, not enough. So then you had independent stand, and we had five pro Hamas independent people elected to Parliament. So labor have now lost and all that. What they were bringing in, as you've seen there, now they've switched over to the Green Party because they don't care what party name they use and literally just vote in by religious lines, which is what this was, which is the future. It's our future. And as their demographic increases, they become more powerful. Now, why is that important? If you look at, you know, just to bring it back to your American audience. Look at what's happened in New York. But look at Minnesota. Now, Somalians have come from the. From the most hottest place in the world, and they're in one of the most coldest in America. Why do you think they chose to go there? So anyone think they, you know, we'll just go to this. They were put there. They would be. They're imported in. It's all planned. And they're placing them in places strategically for the voting bank because they know their community will go like this and go like this and go like this. And when they do, they vote for who they're told to vote for. You don't. Did you hear the voting rates in this. So in this election here, 48 was the. So 52 of people didn't vote. Vote. Yeah, of course. They won by 16, 000 votes. There were 44, 000 people that didn't vote. We don't vote. I don't know anyone that had voted because the British working class Ksan was elected off 9 million votes. 20 million people didn't vote. They're disillusioned, they're, they're, they don't care about politics. They can, what we're trying to do, I can get onto our goals and our mission. We're trying to captivate, electrify and give those 20 million people back their identity and bring them in through identity and culture. I think 86 million Americans didn't vote. Now you might think that doesn't matter. It does when 90 of the Muslim community vote because that's why they get the deals, that's why they're being surrendered to. That's why. And, and in your swing states in the United States, I looked at the, the immigration rates for asylum seekers, for migrants that were being bought in a 700 increase. What they were trying to do, which you will lose your country forever. They were trying to make sure there's no swing states. They're flooding them and flooding them and flooding them. So you would have. Yeah, but this is the future.

[Dave Rubin]

So I wanna show you an image that I briefly mentioned right before we went to the live stream, but can you guys pull up? It's from less than a year ago when I spoke at Oxford University and it was interesting. It was a debate on free speech. I'm very proud to say that we did win our Oxford debate. I wanna point out the girl sitting in the back in the traditional Muslim guard because I had dinner with the entire group right beforehand and she, I don't think she knew who I was or my history or anything. And we're sitting, having dinner, actually talked about basketball for most of the time and I was like, oh, this girl's pretty cool and whatever. And then sudden how it got into politics and what she told me was that she was a second generation Pakistani and that all of her family, her parents from Pakistan, aunts and uncles, grandparents, all of the nieces, nephews, they all only vote to free Gaza. And I thought man, this for some reason somehow, sitting just inches away from her, it struck me how deeply screwed your country is. Putting aside what anyone's feelings are about Gaza or anything. El, that, that they are coming here with an issue that has nothing to do with Britain making your country better or anything else. And now you guys have imported untold amount of them.

[Tommy Robinson]

So have you, so have you. America, you need to get.

[Dave Rubin]

Not as bad, we're, we're slow ruling it, but that's why I felt it was important.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, it's important because what. Because if you. If you look at how at the importation is Islam first, Islam second, Islam first, they'll tell you Shabina Mahmood, who's going to be our next prime minister in charge of our country. She said the first everything. All that matters to me is Islam. Not democracy, not freedom, not the Republican party, not Democrat parties. Islam. It's the same here. It's Islam. So they will stand with their Muslim brothers as part of the ummah. That's what this is about. So they don't care about anything else other than that. So that's what they're voting on. The Green Party won because they got the Muslim vote and they got the Muslim vote because they hate the Jews and they hate Israel and they'll speak publicly about that. And that's what the politics have come about. But then when you have a political party. So even Nig Farage, Nigel Farage was meant to be the savior. Nigel Farage's comments, not mine, that by 2050, the Islamic community is that strong in the UK we cannot alienate Islam. Now, the reason a generation of our daughters were raped was because no one wanted to criticize or deal with it because they're scared of being called racist and scared of up and set upsetting the Islamic community, which would mean alienating Islam. If you don't. If you're not going to alienate Islam, we're going to stand with Palestine. You're going to stand with the Iranian regime. If you don't want to alienate Islam, you're going to surrender. So it's like Nigel's pulling up the white flag and planning for 2050 already city. But you. Well, my.

[Dave Rubin]

Is he still the best shot you've got?

[Tommy Robinson]

No.

[Dave Rubin]

So what's.

[Tommy Robinson]

We have Rupert Low now we have a new party. Rupert Low was kicked out Restore Britain. Rupert Lowe was kicked out of Nigel's party for wanting to speak about grooming gangs and for saying mass deportations. Nigel's being forced on lots of issues. Nigel's words again that I don't believe in mass deportations when he was mentioning the demographic change. Now if you come to England, Americans who, if you haven't visited Britain, you should do pretty soon because it's never going to look like Britain. It's already gone. London is 33 English. You step off the plane in London, step off the plane in Berlin, step off the plane in Paris. If we. If we put a blindfold on and we walked you in the street, you wouldn't know where you are. You think you're in Karachi.

[Dave Rubin]

So I went to Harrods in, you know, that's like prime London real estate and virtually every woman, all you could see. And they don't look at you, which is also interesting because how long put aside religion or anything else, if you have a group of people that are completely covered, you can only see their eyes, they never look at you. How do you build a culture around that? How do you build any trust? How do you build any community?

[Tommy Robinson]

I mean, they build their culture and our culture disappears. And that's what's happening, that's what we're seeing happen in every major city, not just London, every single. My town, English or minority. This is every major city. And this is. And what problems come with that? We're not talking about culture. So if you look, you know, if we would have had a Trump style ban, you know, 2016, you put in a ban and this is where. Stop worrying about offending people's feelings. Right, Right. If we would add a Trump style ban, Ariana Grande concert where 26 people were blown up and murdered would not have happened. Just for that simple rule of being brave and saying no. We don't want people from that country or this country or the. We don't share. Our security agencies don't work together. It's a danger. Now, a government's job, first and foremost, any leadership of your country is to protect your citizens. It's not to protect Libyans or Afghanis or Pakistanis or Somalis. It's protect you. And, and our country have miserably failed. Do you know Muslim men make up 3% of the British pop. 90% of the convictions for grooming, rape of young children in groups is Muslim men. 30% of the men are called Muhammad. Now, if you want to look at Sweden, 63% of the rapes are Muslim men. 10 population in Paris, 77% of the rapes are from foreign nationals. Muslim men. Yeah, 77%. If you look at Germany now, this is where, when you said we haven't had as much of a problem, America, you don't get it. The seed has been planted. It's going to grow. You had Hispanic immigration, Mexican immigration, and I know there were problems coming from that, but Joe Biden, they, they organized an influx of upwards of 8 million people. Pakistanis, Eritreans, Somalis, Afghanis, Syrians, it's. You don't understand what's coming. Now. They let in, say you let in 10 million. America, Germany let in a million. Yeah. Out of that million from 2017, when the floodgates opened the year before 2017-2020, two rapes went up 45% last year alone. Eleven of the rapes in Germany. Germany were by Syrian nationals. Those. That means 11 of those rapes didn't have to happen. And if. If ICE aren't successful, if. If ice, you may not. It doesn't look pretty. Some things don't look pretty. I know people got shot. 47 people died in ICE custody under Barack Obama. There were no protests or riots. They weaponize everything. So I know it doesn't look good, but neither does the rape of a generation of your mothers and daughters. Neither does all the murders that we're facing day in, day out. Our whole country's being raped and pillaged. The whole of Europe is. And it doesn't have to happen. You stop it, America, you can stop it, but you need brave leadership. You need to just call a spade a spade. And unfortunately, in Britain and in Europe, no one was willing to. We've moved somewhere now. We're getting somewhere now. But the problem is that big and that bad. Even with regards to the crimes, the rape, the rape statistics and the rape figures across your, you know, 2003. In 2003, we had 8, 800 rapes in 2008. In 2023 we had 88,000. Well, now, now you take those figures. Do you know how many Hungary had last year in the year?

[Dave Rubin]

Well, very few, obviously.

[Tommy Robinson]

750 close their borders. 750. Do you know the two safest place in Europe? Do you know what the European Union, which is a totalitarian idea. Do you know what they're doing to Hungary, finding them? I think it's a million pounds.

[Dave Rubin]

It's a million a day. They pay 365 million euros a year just to keep their borders closed because

[Tommy Robinson]

they won't allow the influx of forced, imported, organized flooding of their nation. And the two safest places are Poland and Hungary. And we're supposed to. Diverse is your strength. Well, it's not your strength when all our women are being raped. And there's a big difference as well between successful immigration because, like, there's a big call now and there's. Things are swinging and the public are awake to these problems. And some, some communities come, they integrate and they assimilate and they're brilliant. But the Islamic community, you know, when I realized this, I thought it was always Pakistani problems. I'd seen all the problems. I started an organization. I was sat on solitary confinement moment doing a. I've done 22 weeks, 2011 for my work, for my, for, for the different things I was doing. And I sat there and someone sent me in a Quran. And I'd challenge any of you to do this. Get the Quran, open it up. And every time you find a verse that speaks derogatory about Christians or Jews or tells you not to be friends with Christians or Jews, just write the verse down. Yeah, but I sat there and I wrote the verse number and I had pages and pages and pages. And then it all just like a jigsaw. For my whole life, everything I'd seen in my life just fell into place. I just went, oh my God. From four years old. This is in their head. So if you think of it like this, if you as a white family, you bring your children up from the age of four, you do not be friends with black people. You hate black people. Black people will burn in hell. Black people are like cow. These are all verses that are in the Quran. Black people, you bring them up like that, then that turns into hostility, anger and aggression, passion. And we've experienced that. That's what we're on the end of. And it comes from that book. And that's the problem which no one wants to have a discussion about. As I said, 90 of convictions, Muslim men. Why. Why is it 90 of convictions are Muslim men? And then you start understanding there's four verses in the Quran that explicitly say that Muslims are allowed to take non Muslim women as sexual slaves. They're totally allowed to. In fact, one of the verses actually say they're blameless. They're blameless. Muhammad did it. Boko Haram, you know, Boko Haram, this is when, when you. So I start piecing it all together. I'm looking at the crimes. Boko Haram, they kidnapped 200 Nigerians. I see the leader of Boko Haram standing on TV saying, Mohammed commanded us to do this. If you look at what ISIS did with the Yazidis in every conflict. But this isn't. We're not talking about Middle east now, right? And this is happening in America. I guarantee you, I guarantee you the Somalians, these where you've got big Muslim communities, they're raping and they've already got the kids.

[Dave Rubin]

One of the things that I thought was most interesting going to Israel post October 7th and you probably. So did you see the 47 minute video that they haven't fully released publicly? And when you watch that video, I mean the beheading that see is not even the. That's literally not even the worst thing that you see, but the entire time they're screaming and they're calling their mothers, I killed the jew. I killed five Jews. There were people, I killed 10. But they're saying Jew, they're not saying Israeli, they're not saying settler, they're not saying lefty, righty or anything else. They're saying Jew specifically. And your point is that this obviously is extrapolated to Christians and to anyone that's a non believer and by the way, to people that are Muslim, that

[Tommy Robinson]

are Muslim, first come Saturday, then comes Sunday. This is the. Look, there's an Islamic saying, first come Saturday, then come Sunday. Now what that means is the Jews are first, then the Christians. Yeah. If anyone thinks if they obliterate Israel and they surround them, which they are surrounded, do you know what I feel, which I've always felt, felt this analogy. I'm surrounded. I grew up in Luton town, which is named by the CIA as the epicenter of terrorist activity. Four times as many British Muslims went to join ISIS in a three year period than have ever joined the British military. We have 40, 000 Muslims on the terror watch list. We're surrounded. I know what it's like to feel like, like that. That's the same as Israel. They're surrounded now if, if they won and you don't have to take my word for it, Hamas's spokesman said on October 8, Israel's not our goal. London and New York are. Yeah. So when I hear commentators and I know to Americans, you just don't get it. Come and speak to us. Come to Europe, Come and listen to us who live there. Yeah, they're hostile, they hate us, they're aggressive. I'm hearing about a Muslim Christian alliance, I think. Yeah, tell that to the Christians. What's the question? Population of Syria now. What about Iraq? Every Christian in every country in the Middle east has been destroyed. They've been driven out of every nation. The only place in the Middle east

[Dave Rubin]

except for one, but don't tell Tucker which one.

[Tommy Robinson]

The only place in the Middle east where the Christian community is increased, it's in Israel, the only place. So when I see and I look and Tucker Carlson come into my country is such a insult. I was raging. He made a video. All these crimes happened against our people. And he come in, well, there's no problem in London. There's no problem in London. My Pakistani taxi driver was, oh, that's it then. Oh, there's no problem, Tucker. Islam's great. Let's ignore the terrorism. Let's ignore Every jihad attack, let's just pretend it's not happening because you had a nice Pakistani taxi driver. How fucking dare you come into our country. How dare you use your platform to diminish the rape of our country. How dare you? When I go around the country meeting the victims, the families, all of them, and just because you have decided to take side with Qatar or side of Iran or side with whoever you've side with, you think you can diminish what's happening in our nation when you know nothing about it. You. I'm still raging about it, thinking about it now. I think you come into our country and you sit there and you use a platform in our country to diminish and belittle a generation of our daughters. And again, just so an American audience can understand the scale of this problem, because this is why I'm insulted and I'm offended by when he, when he done this, say, in Telford. I spent 18 months in Telford, I, I done, I've done a five part series called the Rape of Britain. You can watch these [e-mail] and I chose Telford because Telford has a 1.7% Muslim population. There's none there. Yeah. So I went there and the Police investigation identified 1,000 victims and 200 perpetrators. Yeah. Five children are dead. They've been burned alive and murdered in this town alone. So a thousand victims. Now when you take the numbers and you get rid of the under 16s and you get rid of the women, there's a thousand Muslim men in that town now. Look what they've done in one town now when you go to that town of a thousand Muslim men, I, I managed in my investigation, I sat down, I interviewed 18, 12 to 18 survivors. Yeah. And I interviewed him for three hours, four hours. Three times. Four times. And I built a database. And when the men were named by three or more girls that do not know each other, I go after them and I go into their businesses. And I went into the businesses, some of them that murdered children. Yeah. And I went into the business and you know, this isn't about sexual gratification, this is what you need to understand. In some of these cases, 11 cousins were raping kids together. Fathers and sons are raping kids together, brothers and brother in laws. Imagine that you're with your, your sister, sister, her husband, and you go in and get a little kid and rape it. We've never seen these crimes in the West. It's unthinkable. Not in their community. It's mainstream and they're all accepting it. So when you see the scale of these problems, some girls had their tongues nailed to a table. Another girl was 11 years old. She had a hot iron rod, a hot iron rod with letter M. And it was scolded onto her bum because she was the property of Muhammad. But don't worry, Tucker had a nice Pakistani taxi driver. So I have to think, how dare you, man? And the rape that they've done is not about sexual gratification, it's about destruction. It's about taking the thing that we hold dearest, the thing that we love, our children, and ruining them, Absolutely destroying them. And whilst they're doing that, everyone's too scared to say anything, because the left and their organizations and NGOs have created such an environment where you lose your job or you're scared or you get attacked, because if they put a target on you, they murder you, like Charlie Kirk. So the media, they get rid of who they want by just calling them racist Nazi extremists. Racist Nazi extremists a million times, even if you're not a racist Nazi extremist. Rooms. And then they come for you. So, I'm sorry, I went on a rant there and I got a bit angry and I got a bit vexed, but I've watched my country be raped and pillaged, and then I see. And so this was a bit. I'm frustrated looking at some American commentators and listening to them, just thinking, you've got no idea. Hamas. Are you for real? Do you know what they do to you? I look at some of these gang people. Stand there. I think you'll be off the rooftop, mate.

[Dave Rubin]

Right. Tucker said that Hamas are freedom fighters. He went to Saudi Arabia and said he feels comfortable in the seat of Islam where there are no churches. He wants to buy a house in Qatar where they keep Christians as slaves. We could do that all day long. Do not apologize, because for all the years I've been doing this, when a guest is locked in, I can literally. I can literally feel it. Like, I have a physical reaction to it. And I just had it right there. I want to throw. Because as long as you're on a run, Piers Morgan, and you have gotten into it many, many times over the years, including when he sat in that very chair and I asked him about you. He had Gad sat on. And Gad has a fascinating story because his family is from Lebanon, had to leave, Parents were kidnapped by Palestinian terror. I think this is in the late 70s. This is from about a week ago. Gad and Piers discussing whether the UK has a problem with Islam.

[Tommy Robinson]

In terms of this whole debate, fueled a lot by people on the conservative right in America, that Britain has been invaded by radical Muslims. Megyn Kelly used that phrase last week with me. And we've lost control to radical Muslims. I just see no evidence that that is remotely true. True.

[Dave Rubin]

There are currently 56 countries that are part of the OIC, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation. Each of those countries once upon a time started with zero Muslims. Then you close your eyes and you open your eyes and in many of those countries you have 0% non Muslims.

[Tommy Robinson]

I would argue back at that that the vast majority of Muslims I know in the UK are very happy to. To be part of a multicultural Britain in which they assimilate quite happily with their neighbors of all types of all creeds and races and religions and so on. I just don't see this hotbed of radicalism.

[Dave Rubin]

There's so much drivel with peers and I don't like talking bad about people that have been in this room. But I brought a lot of this up to him there. I mean, first off that he says it's being fueled by the Conservatives. He's got the fuel backwards. The origin is backwards. The conservatives are reacting to their children being raped and terrorism and go ahead.

[Tommy Robinson]

Do you know the oic? So they f. They signed the, the Declaration of Human Rights, but they changed it. They didn't sign the same one as the non Muslim countries. As long as it's in line with Sharia. Well, human rights aren't along with Sharia, are they? The European Court of Human rights ruled in 2007 that Sharia law is incompatible with Western democracy and freedom due to their views on homosexuals, their views on free speech and their views on women. Now, what Pier's talking about there here, let me give you some statistics again, because numbers matter. Say, like even Pew Research. Pew research says that 99 of Afghanis in Afghanistan want Sharia law. So when we import them, which you've done and we've done, our leaders have done it. They've betrayed all of us. When we import them into America or into Britain, they don't leave that view on the border. They bring it with them. They want Sharia law. And then you have to understand what Sharia law is. I think 42 of French Muslims believe suicide bombings are justified. 35 of British Muslims and 26 of American Muslims. Yeah. So we've got, we've got nearly a million Muslims in the uk. The uk According to. According to how they think not how I think how they think that want Sharia law. That's a million that need to leave. That's a million 60, 67% of Muslims. Two thirds of British Muslims would not report on another Muslim who was getting involved with isis. We've got a problem. Piers doesn't think we've got a problem. I don't really see it. Well, you wouldn't see it, would your peers. You live in an exclusive elitist area. Your kids hang around in the most richest places ever. You've got chauffeur driven everywhere. You don't experience what we experience, but then you sit there telling us, all right, you, yeah, we'll move him in your house.

[Dave Rubin]

I mean, the truth is he likes to be flown on a private plane to go see soccer games in Saudi Arabia. Right?

[Tommy Robinson]

I mean, well, the truth is, Piers doesn't. It's hard to know what he believes. He was pro Black Lives Matter then he was against Black Lives Matter. He's pro vaccine, pro lockdown. Yeah. Telling everyone they had to get vaccines, they had to get locked down. He's. He, he. This is where we talk about people with dirty hands. Probably why he don't like me. He was in charge of Daily Mirror newspaper the whole time this rape scandal was going on. He knew it's happening. They all knew it was happening. Every one of them knew it, know it's happening. But he's a coward and then he wants to hammer us and attack us. So they're all cowards and they don't actually care. Remember, there's a massive. I'll say, there's a huge class issue in the uk. There's a huge. You don't have it here, but we really have it, where working class people should just sit down and shut up. And I think that's how they think. That's how they think. But our. Our views and our voice is equal to theirs. They may not have experienced what we've experienced, but they should be listening to us. The English Defence League was a quite for help. We're on the streets crying for help. Help us. And the Church were betraying us. The Church has totally betrayed us in the uk, although there is something happening there. There's Christian revival happening, but it's happening outside of the church. Real skin results start with one daily ritual. Meet daily microfoliant from Dermalogica. This iconic exfoliating powder activates with water to gently polish away dullness and uneven texture. It leaves skin instantly smoother and more luminous while supporting your skin tone barrier Formulated with professional expertise to deliver visible results daily, even on sensitive skin. Discover your healthiest skin today. Visit dermalogica.com and use code smooth at

[Dave Rubin]

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[Tommy Robinson]

I'm good.

[Dave Rubin]

Truth was, he wasn't good. Jack needed help. Then the darndest thing happened. Emily called Pacific Source my health plan. Jack learned that Pacific Source provides members with support beyond health care. In Jack's case, we got him in touch with the local food bank.

[Tommy Robinson]

You guys do that?

[Dave Rubin]

Yes, we do. Jack. Pacific Source health plan.

[Tommy Robinson]

So.

[Dave Rubin]

So let's. Let's jump back for just a second because you mentioned Rupert Lowe. I want to show a video of him speaking to parliament just. Just in the last couple days. And he. So this is basically the guy that you think is. Is sort of going to things.

[Tommy Robinson]

He's all that.

[Dave Rubin]

That Nigel probably should have done.

[Tommy Robinson]

Go ahead here. So much of the human rights for foreign pedophiles, sex pests and murderers is not giving way. Members may disagree with what he's saying. What about conduct this in an orderly way. What about the human rights of the British people? The right. The right not to be raped, stabbed and killed by foreigners who should never have been an our country to begin with. Please, Spam. Please spare me the continued moral outrage, Mr. Lewis.

[Dave Rubin]

Sorry, that line. What about the human rights of the British people? Gad, who we just referenced. You know he has the phrase suicidal empathy. That's what he's talking about right there.

[Tommy Robinson]

Okay.

[Dave Rubin]

You guys can pretend that these guys are wonderful all the time, but you're. You're quite literally allowing rapes and murders of our own people.

[Tommy Robinson]

So. So do you think to that. Do.

[Dave Rubin]

Do you think this party will have

[Tommy Robinson]

a chance Hands this party. That. That's our Trump. That's our Trump.

[Dave Rubin]

But people thought that about Nigel.

[Tommy Robinson]

So no. No. Nigel's always been weak. Now even in the European Union he refused to align with are the fastest growing groups now in all of Europe because he looked down his nose upon them. And all Nigel's race 40s better Nigel. And look, the problem is Nigel's never tried to reach the working class or the non voters. Nigel's. Nigel's wants to be the establishment. We want to tear down the establishment. They've betrayed us at every level. Nigel's party is now Conservative party. He's brought in all the fail killed Robert Jenrick was in charge of immigration and letting the most immigrants ever. Now he's been. Now he's gone there. And now the winds have changed because things have changed in the uk. The mood of the nation's change. So they're all trying to jump ship and they're all trying to ride that wave. But Nigel doesn't believe it. Reaper believes it. Rupa, do you know what? You know what? This is a. Since Churchill and Gladstone. Now, Churchill said Islam has the power to bring Europe back to the Dark Ages. William Gladstone held the crown above his head in parliament and said, there'll never be peace on this earth so long as we have this book. It's a violent and cursed book. Since those two political figures. To the greatest leaders our country's ever had. Not one single member of parliament, out of the 650. Not one. Yeah. Has ever mentioned Islam or haven't questioned Islam ever. We've had soldiers beheaded, children's concerts blown up, entire restaurants where Muslims jumped out of a van and stabbed their way through Borough Market. We've had so many terrorist attacks. Members of parliament stabbed and murdered by Somalian terrorists. We've had terror attacks. Muslims put in hotels that we're paying for, come out and killed for Palestine. We've had all these jihad attacks. Not one person's ever mentioned it.

[Dave Rubin]

You know, people might think you're exaggerating, but about seven years ago, when I was in London, I walked around one evening with Douglas Murray, who, of course, has been way ahead of this, kind of like you, and wrote the Strange Death of Europe and several other books. And he took me to different places and was just pointing out what attack happened where. And this was just within a maybe 2 mile radius. Could we grab the picture of the event last night where they vandalized the Churchill Monument? We'll pull that up. I wanna show. Oh, so we have it already. So this is. I don't even know if you saw this yet. No, this is Liter last night.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah. So he flew in from Holland to do that. Okay.

[Dave Rubin]

There's video of the guy doing it. He should have been shot right there. I'll go ahead and say it.

[Tommy Robinson]

I know you guys don't worry. Because Keir Starmer banned Eva Vanderbilt.

[Dave Rubin]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

So this guy, this bloke's part of a terrorist group because Palestinian action are a terrorist group. But he was allowed to enter our country. There's no ban on him. There's no ban on jihadis. They're coming in from Afghanistan. The hate preachers coming in from all over the world. But Keir Starmer, don't worry British public, he stopped. Even Landbrook, a Dutch commentator who's a solicitor and lawyer who speaks freely and openly about some of the problems, gives an honest speech. She's banned from Great Britain. That's where we're at.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, I'll be with her in Hungary next month. So am I going to get butt banned from your country when I try to come back in June? I mean, honestly, anything's possible.

[Tommy Robinson]

No. Anything's possible. No. So free speech, America, you are the only place in the world I don't know if you understand the value of it. We don't have it. We live in a post free speech era. 12,000 people last year were arrested for things they said on social media. Social media in Britain, only 800 in Russia. So a mother, Lucy Conley, was given 31 months in jail for a tweet that she deleted after an hour. You, you don't. You need to value it because all of the things that happen in our country are on their way to you. They're here. The seeds have been planted. Millions have been bought in. And the way they organize and, and conduct themselves. Minnesota was a real and and take it that what happened in New York with his election and what happened in Minnesota, they're the warning shots. They're the moments where this country needs to stand up. You're ahead of the curve. You've got 42 members of Congress. If you're a Republican and you're watching this, contact your member of Congress and ask them why they've not joined if they haven't. The Shar anti Sharia caucus within the. Within, within the Congress. Because I know they're at 42 at the minute. Now for us, for me, the fact that you've got politicians, the fact that people like you, Dave, because in Britain it was just, just us. Now, now there's more people. But in 2009 no one was talking about this issue. You couldn't talk about it because they want to kill you. They want to attack you. I've got. There's six Muslims in jail doing 30 years. They got caught with guns and bombs and suicide notes on the way to kill us. People want to murder you for this. And this is another thing America, I just got last week, you can hear the recording. I've got a week just before I come out here, the police come to me, they give me a Osman warning. An Osman warning is when the government know that there's intelligence someone's plan to murder you. Now I Was I was publicized in this month's ISIS magazine to be keeping killed. Yeah. So when the police come, that's one thing. Because they've let them all in our country. They haven't stopped them 2, 000 returned from fighting for ISIS. They're in my town. It's not like they're in Afghanistan and Pakistan. They're standing next to us as we walk through the town center. Yeah, they're here, that's one thing. But then the police tell me if you get a weapon to defend yourself, you'll be prosecuted. So we are disarmed. We have no ability to defend ourselves. And our country flooded with terrorists. They have, have weapons, the criminals have weapons. We have nothing. So I have I For the last three years, since 2020-22-21, I have been living, hiding. I don't live in the same place. I can't anyone whose house I stayed at, I bring trouble to, I bring violence to because if it's people want to kill me and the police aren't there to protect us and the police

[Dave Rubin]

actually go out of their way to defend the jihadists. It's not just that. At these rallies where they take over massive amounts of city streets.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, all these things had to happen on fire. Unfortunately. Unfortunately, everything had to happen. If you want to get the public to a position. Joe Biden, they had to stick wherever you want to believe they still do or not believe they steal America. When they stole that election, that's what I believe. When they stole that election, you needed that. You needed Joe Biden to be in power. You needed to see you as a puppet. You needed to see what the Democrat party are about. You needed to see it to wake you up. Now we had to see it. So we've had to get in this position. Lucy conley, the mother, 31 months in jail. They sent her to jail jail. And they wanted to strike fear into the heart of every British mum because they show, they were showing the public we can lock up the mums. We'll lock up anyone. They took a granddad who was non violent and he had a sign against the government. They sent him to him a jail. He was, he was. He died in jail. He killed himself because all the Muslim gangs wanted to get him in jail. They locked me up for 18 months and, and went against every one of my. Every violation of my human rights. They put me on solitary confinement for seven months. I went into jail, left jail without seeing and seeing or speaking to an another person for seven months for making a documentary. Now the Reason they'd done this was to scare everyone. January 6th was to scare you all the way. They went and rounded everyone up. So publicly locked them up, treat them like, give them huge sentences. That was all about scaring you from ever coming out again. They didn't want to protest again, they wanted to rob stuff, steal elections, do whatever they want. And you, the Republicans, everyone watch and know it's wrong. But think, yeah, but look what they done on January 6th to the people there. That's what it's about. But in Britain it didn't work. That didn't work. John White didn't work because Elon Musk bought X.

[Dave Rubin]

So let me read this tweet from January of 2025. So just over a year ago, Elon Musk about you and tell me if this is the first time tweet about you. He wrote, why is Tommy Robinson in a solitary confinement prison for telling the truth. He should be freed and those who covered up this travesty should take his place in that cell. So every. We don't have to go into the long laundry list of things that he has done to defend free speech. But was that the first time that he brought attention to what was happening to you?

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah. So I told, I reported story and I was. The whole story is a lie. It wasn't just a lie, it was fabricated. So how many stories like this are a lie? So I reported on a story, it was about a. I have to be careful here because I'm still under court orders where I can't, I can't speak openly here. I'll get two years straight in jail. Yeah. So I went to court and I defended what I'd said. But what I did is I wore hidden, I wore a button and a camera and it was a school in the north of England and a Syrian refugee had pulled, had a bottle of water poured on him and Piers Morgan demanded severe retribution against the English kid. Piers Morgan against a child. You know, that child was driven from his own, tried to kill himself. People come up threatening to rape his mum, kill his family, all this. And Piers Morgan played his part in that pathetic journalism. He's not like, it's outrageous what he done, just to jump on, jump on the wave of, of multiculturalism and defending. But the truth of the story from coming from the parents was that that story is a lie. So I reported that you're being lied to. The British public had raised 180000 pounds for the Syrian refugee in a 24 hour period. So I've done a Report saying, stop paying your money here. This isn't the full story. You've. You've seen the clip. Lots else is going on here. Stop raising money. And I made some allegations against the Syrian refugee where I said he threatened to stab someone and I said that he attacks English girls. That's what I said. Yeah. This then goes I. And then they sue me. So when they sue me, they take me to court. I think I need to prove what I said was true. So I wear aware, I wear a hidden camera and I go and knock on the school teacher's doors and the school teacher comes out and he said, I took the money. What do you mean you took the money? He said, they paid me. Who paid you? Kirkley's council. So look at who runs Kirkley's Council and he's. She be in Mahmoud. It's a Muslim and his brother is a lead imam who organized protests at the time outside the school. So all these things, they're all connected. So he's paid. So I put in a Freedom Information request. I get seven teachers saying they were paid not to tell the truth. So as this story blew up and they told everyone I lied when I told the truth. Yeah, they told everyone I lie. I produce all this before a judge and say, there you go, case, case smashed. Yeah, I told the truth. How can you find me in defamation when I've got so much evidence of all these crimes? Yeah. And what happens did is the judge listed everything come out in court and he said, if you ever show the British public, if you ever show these, the, any of this outside this courtroom, you will spend two years in jail. Now, I walked out of court that day and I've lived my life that if you worry about consequence, you'll never bring about change. So I've. I've always just done. If I think it's right, I'm doing it. If it's right for our country and it's right for what's happening, I'm going to do it. And I've never worried about the consequence. So at this time I'd pre. I've been in jail the year day before for reporting outside of court case. I'd done three months of solitary and I went in jail one person and come out another. I was broken. I was absolutely destroyed. It may sound mad, it's. You think three months. And I was diagnosed at that point with post traumatic stress disorder. But I've come out, I've had all this chaos in this court case. They bankrupt me. So the whole purpose was the weaponization of the court and this. And what I managed to do was get covert recordings proving the whole start to finish process. I called it the unholy alliance. The unholy alliance of the judiciary, the media, the left wing groups, the police, all of them come together and they. It was the length that they'll go to. To control the narrative and control the story and make sure you don't get the truth. And those links went to destroying me. So they took me through the courts and they banked me £1.3 million, smashed me and then they told everyone I lied. And I've got a bomb here. That's what I'm thinking. I've got grenade because this shows the truth. But I've got two years if I show it. And I bottled it and I left England. I was in a dark place. I was this, I was censored, I was de platformed, I had no voice. And then I enough. I'm in Spain and then my X account turns on, which was Elon Musk when my ex account turned on October 7th has happened. They took over all the country, all the major cities in. In Europe and the west. They've took over the universities. This has been a long time coming. The left, they've had their revolution. You need to realize they've had it. It's been a very successful revolution on their side through the education, mass borders. Cancel culture, attack the church, attack the family, attack the man attacked, attacked it all. They've had it. But the counter revolution has now started. Yeah. And they ain't stopping it. So at this time my account comes back, I fly back to uk, I think, right, the fight's on now because you can't hide what we're doing. So I got, I organized my first rally. Bang. I get a letter from the Mesolica, gets a letter from the Attorney General. We're contemplating prosecuting you for contempt of court. Because this film that I made had been leaked to America. Someone played it in America. I didn't play it, I didn't play it. Someone played in America. But the injunction read so severely that if anyone plays it, they can prosecute me. So they give me a warning shot saying, with Quantum playing prosecutor. And at this point I think, well, I'm back on social media now, like before that I was erased from everywhere. So I think, okay, so I make a video addressing the Attorney General and basically saying, go yourself. Come and get me if you want to get me. Yeah. And then. And things. Karma works in it works well because we organize it and this is what America needs to do. Yeah. Or Americans need to do. You've got lots of personalities on the right of politics and lots of influencers. We had a lot and we've been censored, we've been deplatformed, we've been attacked. So I bought them all, them all together and I set up a two day, a two day meeting where we sat together for two days. I bought 15 people, I bought Lawrence Fox, Carl Benjamin. Yeah. Jordan Peterson flew in. I explained to Jordan Peterson, look, any, any counter revolution or any cultural revolution, it doesn't start with the educated. It can't. Yeah, because it just can't. It has to start on the bottom of the streets. So that's what we wanted to do now. Said if now you're not in the danger that we're in. So I think we were already, because we've witnessed our culture disappear and we can see the erosion of it. We can see that we're losing in our nation. So at that point we come together and we didn't focus on what we disagree on because we would disagree on a lot. When you get this many egos, everyone's got an ego when you put them together. And everyone was saying, you're never going to get all these people to agree. So we got in a room and we gave everyone a bit of paper and we'd done a board and I said, right, just tell us the top 10 things that are important to you for Brim. Yeah. And we windled it down to five that all of us agreed on. Yeah. So it wasn't my movement. You see that United Kingdom has now become so huge. It's our maga, but it wasn't my movement. The important thing about it was that these people and I don't think they get recognition. It was Katie Hopkins, it was Lawrence Fox, it was Cole Benjamin, it was Mayor Tusi. All of them have experienced Cancel Culture and all of them have faced attack. We brought them all together. We left that room after two days and what we said is, and I should. I went public and told the government what we're doing. I said, we're coming for you. Right. We're coming for you because you used a weapon of the media against us. Well, we're now the media because at the click of a finger, we will reach the entire country now. Because once we all work together under one umbrella and we want to get a message out there, you can't stop us now. Yeah. I was still banned from YouTube, but he wasn't. He wasn't he wasn't. So that's what our plan was. And our plan was to if you change the culture, you change the politics. So we organized our first event and we made it about British identity, British culture. And 30, 000 people turned up. We had gospel bands, we had singers, we had an event and we had a real. And, and, and I'd learned Google the English defense. I'd led a street protest movement of young angry men. And our demographic has totally shifted now. We've reached the mainstream. But we, those young angry men were needed because no one was listening. So it was needed. But I also felt embarrassed at times about the behavior of some of our supporters, but also the way we conducted ourselves. I've grown up, I've learned. I feel like I've done my apprenticeship. So at this point, now I know how to negotiate with the police. So I set up a meeting with the London police. I said, right, if I want to, you know, I can. And I'll organize a demo on the same day as a Palestinian rally. If I want to, yeah, you know, I can do it. And you know, thousands of men are going to send on the capitol and that's going to be chaos for you guys and for us. We don't want that. Yeah, that's not what we want. But we want respect. Yeah. We want the same voice as Black Lives Matter. We want the same rights as left wing organization. We want to be able to have a cultural day where we celebrate identity with screens and music, where you lot leave us alone and don't smash us. And you guys know there's going to

[Dave Rubin]

be no violence unless the other guys bring.

[Tommy Robinson]

So we said we'll, we'll do it anywhere. Yeah. If they say they want to protest there, we'll protest 10 miles that way. So we'll work with you. And we're asking you, stay away. Yeah, stay out of our sight. We'll police ourselves. If there's a problem, come to us, we'll get them out. So we've got lots of football men together from different clubs. And we said to the lads, look on this day. And we made, I made lots of videos saying, if you come to our demonstration and this is where your infiltration. I've seen it all through the edl. We made a rule, no face coverings. Then you prevent the police infiltrating like January 6th, and you prevent them stoking things because they can't do it. And we said, if you wear a face covering, we will turn on you. We will drag you out.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

You're not wearing face coverings. If you come and you're aggressive, leave your aggression at home, because you're going to ruin what we're doing. So we went from 30,000 30th of June, 27th of July, 100,000 patriots turned up in our capital city. Now, at that point, I made a decision. I sat my kids down and I said, it's too important, because the film I've got, the grenade that I've had for two years. Yeah, this is our moment. Because this will hurt them. Because their judiciary, what they keep citing all the newspapers now in America, keep listing my corporate criminal record. I've never been tried by a jury. I've never been tried by a jury. I've faced relentless lawfare since I opened my mouth. And then they use it to discredit you and tarnish you. So my last two cases. Thank you, Elon Musk. I've beat a terrorism case and I've beaten another case which. And both those judges ruled that I was being politically targeted and persecuted and everything the police done was unlawful. It would have been the same for all the other cases. I've had the help of a proper legal team. I face 10 years now. On the 26th of October, the. They're not stopping. They're not stopping. But we went on the 27th of July, 100,000 people, and I stood up on stage and said, I've got an injunction. You're not allowed to see this film. Press play. And I played the film. And then that. That message you showed there from Elon Musk, it was a big risk. I said to my son, didn't. I said, I might get 10 million people watch this film. If I can get 10 million people watch this film, son, then we have reached the public and they know that that's corrupt. They won't trust their court case cases. Now, you've seen this with Donald Trump, you've seen it with Alex Jones. In fact, do this. Pick any populist political leader in Europe. Gert Wilders. Pick Morton Messerschmitt. Pick Marie Le Pen. Just Google court case. Salvini. Look what they've done to Salvini. Yeah. Every one of them who have stood up against the status quo of the European Union have faced court case. Court case, court case. Some of them for six years. Marie Le Pen now can't stand in politics for five years. It's a weapon that they use against you. And I had all the evidence of it. A place played the film and then I rang home In January I'm 10 or 12 weeks in solitary confinement, pretty low, sitting in a cell from. For a documentary. But when I went before the judge, when they got me in court and he offered me a deal to remove the film, he said, delete the film and I'll drastically reduce your prison sentence. So I'm not deleting the film. And if you send me to jail for selling the truth, the world's going to know I told the truth. So it's not me. It's not me who's on trial. You're on trial. The judiciary's on trial. I'm not on trial. I told the truth. I went to jail. And then I rang home and my son was like, dad, dad, Dad. I was like, what? What's going on? He said, elon Musk shared the film, which. And I'm like. At that point, I'm like, yes, we've broken.

[Dave Rubin]

So not only did Elon show it just. But just for the sake of time, I want to throw a little B roll. You can keep talking through some of this, but, I mean, it was. We covered it also on the show, but it was unbelievably extraordinary. You can roll with some of this. I mean, the amount of people.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yesterday, I come out of jail after seven months of solitary while 167 million people watch it. He goes, dad, you said you wanted 10 million views. It went to 167 million views. The whole country watched that film. The whole. It went. It went worldwide. So at that point, I walked out of court. Now, when I walked out of court, when I walked out of jail, I knew, whatever I say here, here, now. And I was. Felt terrible. And I put. I put on a strong face, but I felt a mess. But I walked out and went strapped to the camera and just said, On September 13th, they wanted to stop what we were doing, which is a cultural revolution happening in Great Britain. We bought it to 100,000, then we went to 200,000. And we've built this. We've built a movement to give you a voice. On September 13, we take over London and boom. That was the biggest event in British history. Millions come, millions descended in the biggest. That's the biggest. Before that was 750,000 for a pro Gaza protest, of course. But that was the biggest event. And because people see their culture disappearing, they see it, we're witnessing it.

[Dave Rubin]

So, yeah, and there was nothing racist. And there were. And all the rest, not even worth the dress.

[Tommy Robinson]

They've lost that. They've lost the monopoly, like the. The diversity of Our crowd is very diverse now. Yeah, right.

[Dave Rubin]

You get plenty of people that are look every which way and all that. So I want to connect this.

[Tommy Robinson]

We called it Uniting the Kingdom. To Unite the Kingdom.

[Dave Rubin]

So you've done it several times. But I want to connect this to what's happening in America right now, because you are here and clearly your message is desperately, desperately needed. And I want to connect this to. You mentioned Mandami in New. We played this clip a few days ago. He went to a mosque and gave a speech. And I want to. We'll play a little bit of his English speech and then you're going to hear the Arabic that the imam was saying after. Take a look.

[Tommy Robinson]

You know, last Ramadan, I was with many of you here at the procession on the martyrdom anniversary of Imam Ali. It is a privilege to be here with you. Once again, I stand before before you as the first Muslim mayor in our city's history and this year as the first jummah that I have attended in that new position.

[Dave Rubin]

Oh, the killing of the infidels by the sword. Would it be Islamophobic to say there's a problem right now in New York City?

[Tommy Robinson]

You see what need to do? He should be deported instantly. That imam should be deported instantly.

[Dave Rubin]

No.

[Tommy Robinson]

And send a message. You're not going to tolerate this. Now, this is the point. I've been pretty surprised at how vocal and very confident they are in America. They're only 1%. We're 6%. They say we're probably 12%, but look how confident they are at 1%. Look at Texas. They're planning for the future. They're planning to take Texas.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah. Texas has a huge problem. The Dallas area is at a.

[Tommy Robinson]

They're planning to take it. Yeah, it's planned. They're planning to take it. 50 mosques in the last two years. They're planning for the future. They're planning for the future. And right now, look, we have to get. And to some people, this is difficult. Some people are just nice people. I get it. Not all Muslims are bad. I get that. But the peaceful Muslims are irrelevant. They were irrelevant. They're irrelevant in Syria. They're irrelevant in Afghanistan. They're irrelevant. They're not going to stop it. They're not going to save her. They're not going to save her. So you need something. Save yourself. And you cannot allow this to grow, this radicalization, this extremism, this fundamentalism, this. This community that wish to overthrow democracy. But the. The scary thing of it is they'll use democracy to End democracy. You've got, you've got.

[Dave Rubin]

Well that's why they go with the, with the liberals right. It's why they go with the left, the soft underbelly of liberalism. They're so tolerant.

[Tommy Robinson]

They've done it in Lebanon, they done it in Iran. This is. There's 45 countries we can look at to learn from history. We have 1,400 years of history to look at. Islam has never ever, ever, ever peacefully coexisted. They come in a small number. Once they get to a certain percent they take over. Now why does Britain or America or Europe think they're going to be the exception of this 1400 year history? It's the same book, it's the same Islam, it's the same teachings, it's the same Islam that governs Sharia law or governs Saudi Arabia that these totalitarian states. It's the same Islam in America.

[Dave Rubin]

So to illustrate your point, look, check this video. It's an undercover video. This is Zorhan's canvassing director. His name is Robert Akela. And listen to him quite literally say everything that Tommy just laid out.

[Tommy Robinson]

Hey, this only Muslim running for mayor. We win. You'll be the first Muslim to ever be fair. We go to the mosque, we organize the mosque.

[Dave Rubin]

We get the imons to tell people boat go go. We get Jon to go there and talk.

[Tommy Robinson]

That's how we do it. That's how you do it. We go to 100 of them in a week.

[Dave Rubin]

100 mos so we know they're doing this. They're doing it in our country. They're not doing it in the uae. They ban the mosques.

[Tommy Robinson]

Well the uae, the UAE ban his parts here. The UAE ban all the groups that the UAE are far better at this than us. They're far better us is than us. We don't ban them. We give, we give home to them. We give home to them and we, we give home to them from the time that when they're battling the Soviet and we've actually supported and created them like the Taliban and these groups because it, it supported, it suited us geopolitical, it suited us but they never thought it would come against us was here.

[Dave Rubin]

So let's end with this final clip. People have seen it many times this week but this was obviously the most important moment of the state of the union. Take a look.

[Tommy Robinson]

If you agree with this statement then

[Dave Rubin]

stand up and show your support.

[Tommy Robinson]

The first duty of the American government is to protect American citizens, not illegal aliens.

[Dave Rubin]

No Democrats. It's unclear whether fetterman stood up, I'll grant him that. This is where we're at in this country. So if you haven't rang the alarm loud enough so far, bring us home, America.

[Tommy Robinson]

You. When you voted in Donald Trump, I saw so many slogans of vote to save America. It's far bigger than America. You voted to save Western civilization. You gave us hope. Now hope is contagious. You see those scenes you. You see in London that happened because of, A, Elon Musk, and B, the election of Donald Trump. We see light at the end of the tunnel. We don't have speech. And when we see J.D. vance or Rubio, when we see them lecturing the European Union and warning our leaders that you better respect your citizens, because you know what? Free speech is the enemy of our leadership. It's the enemy of the European Union. They hate it. They hate it. They have to stop it. And they had control. They had control of your country. Do you know during Big Tech, when they were censoring conservatives, Republicans, deleting all of us, you may have thought you had free speech, but you haven't got free speech if the biggest arena for debate is controlled by them and no one can say anything. So Elon Musk steps in. Elon Musk will be remembered throughout history, I don't think, for putting things on Mars. Sorry, Elon. I think you'll be remembered for saving Western civilization through free speech. Because if we don't have speech, we have nothing. We have nothing. If you lose your speech, there's no speech in the world. If you lose your freedom, there's no freedom in the world. So people say, why do you care about America? Because it's the only place that's defending it. It's the only place that actually believes in it. There's the only place where the people want it. You see the new generations coming through. They don't even want free speech. They have no idea what they're willing for. Now, when you go to Europe and you go. But on an optimistic side, I have been in this for 15, 16 years, every day, and I've witnessed a massive change. Something historic is happening in the last 12 to 24 months, something biblical, like in the UK, there's a massive shift where people who hated me are now, like, realizing you were right and all. And when this time comes, when the British population, European populations, when they realize our safety's gone, our daughters aren't safe, what have you done? What's happened? We've got a thousand years of Christian English history. You've given it away in 60 years through weak and coward leadership, you've given it away. When they realize that, they're going to look for who lied. Politicians, media. The media aren't ready for what's coming their way that everyone's going to be so angry, so angry for the betrayal of what they've done. And then they're going to look to who told the truth, and that's who they're going to trust. And I'm not saying I'm perfect. I'm absolutely far from it. And I don't claim to be sitting here polishing my halo, but we stood for what's right. We stood for truth to power, and we fought for it. And there's one thing that I keep saying to our audience is it's in a. In our DNA as British people. It's in our DNA to fight. It's what we do. We fight tyranny. Anyone will talk if you talk about British armed forces. Bloody hell.

[Dave Rubin]

There.

[Tommy Robinson]

They'll fight everybody. That's what we do. We fight. But they've created a generation who are selfish, who don't care about the greater good, you know? And Israel, lots of people are battering Israel. I went to Israel and I spent time with some lone soldiers. And then I sat around the table with those lone soldiers. I realized where we're fucked. Excuse my French again. Where we've messed up so bad because these young men have left their. Their families. So a lone soldier is someone who doesn't have family in Israel, but they're Jewish. So they're flown into the country on their own to go and fight because those young men realize there's something greater than them. It's bigger than them. It's bigger than their family. That is a survival of their state. And their people now are us. We don't care. It's all about us as individuals. It's about me, my family. All right. I'm all right. I made a few quid. I'll move out there. Well, it's coming. Coming for you. That's what we realize now in the uk. We're going to get to the beach. Where are you going to go then? You can't run from this. You cannot run from this. And it's better to deal with it now before it's too late. There is no solution to Europe's problems without absolute chaos. Chaos is coming. Chaos has to happen. But we have to survive. It is not right that blacks become a minority in Nigeria. It's not right that the Japanese become a minority in Japan. Well, it's not right that we English become a minority in England and we're not going to allow it. So all of these attempts to silence stop, to do beat us down and beat us into submission, it's not going to work. There is a revival happening. It's happening on the streets. It's happening with the United Kingdom movement. The British public are awake. It's about what I always said. If the people understood the danger our country faces, we'd have the revolution we need tomorrow. But it's about been reaching them and they've stopped us reaching them. But then it stops Elon Musk and these sorts of conversations. America, get ready, wake up, speak truth to power. Never let them do to you what they've done to us. Don't think you might lose your job. It's not about your job. It's about your country, your history. It's about everything. So, yeah, again, I'm so blessed to be here. I know a lot of people are upset that I'm here. I'm so blessed to be here because I believe I have a warning to give you. I'm not talking about what I've read in the book. I've lived it, I've seen it. I know how it's going to happen. I can tell you exactly what's going to happen in your states where you bring them in and exactly how everyone will bend and eat them and you will become irrelevant. They'll become superior. We're treated like second class citizens.

[Dave Rubin]

And so, Tommy, if I ever forget why I do this show, you just fully reminded me, I mean that in the most genuine possible way, like 10 years, literally 10 years ago and one week is when we first did this. And a lot has changed. But I think you're right, the world has bent our way and we got a lot of work to do. We're probably just at the beginning of the beginning.

[Tommy Robinson]

I always keep saying all the problems you've seen, it's like the trailer to a movie. The movie ain't started yet. Movie with you, brother. Cheers, man. Thanks, Dave.