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Dr. Phil Ghosted by Kamala, How Elon Almost Went Broke, Tony Robbins' Best Life Hack & More
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If people listen to get overwhelmed, and a lot of people do, the number one way to get overwhelmed is what I call stacking. So have you ever overreacted to someone, your kid or somebody like that and you feel bad about it? I would imagine once or twice. Once or twice you weren't reacting to what the kid did right. It's something else. You reacted that it happened again. It's the stacking. Well, most of us, we take experiences, challenging, difficult experiences. We think of one after another after another and then we're in overwhelm. You can also do the opposite. You can consciously, which I do every morning. This is how I do it. I do something that I call priming. I prime my brain. It's not a meditation because I found sitting and not thinking is not something I'm really good at. And I don't know many people that frankly are right. But instead what I do is I do these three three minute pieces, a little more than three minutes. And what I do is I focus on for the first three minutes, everything I'm grateful for. Because gratitude is the antidote to the two emotions that mess most people up, mess up your relationship, mess up your business. And that's fear and anger. You can't be angry and grateful simultaneously. You can't be fearful and grateful simultaneously. So I don't do it in some ph. I'm grateful. I'm grateful. I think of three specific things in my life that I feel really grateful for. I usually find a little one like today was the wind in my hair was outside. Another one was a smile on my daughter's face when she was doing her ballet yesterday, and she was so proud of herself. You know, I could think of two or three things for a minute. I experienced them in my body. Like I'm there. Not like watching someone go down a roller coaster there thinking like, you're in the front seat and that changes your biochemistry. And now I do that every morning. And start for three minutes, then three minutes of kind of a blessing or a prayer for the people I love. And then three minutes, I focus on what I call three to thrive. What are three things I want to achieve? And instead of, like, hoping they're going to achieve, I see them, feel them, celebrate them as done. Whole thing's done in 10 minutes. Because if I say do something for 20 minutes, you tell me you don't have time. But if you don't have 10 minutes for your life, you don't have a life. And I do that every morning. I see that and I see the regression that has taken place. And so when people are going off, particularly folks on the left, and they're talking about these policies and what policies are better and what's not, and then I see folks on the right talking about real life issues and stuff like that, I'm like, I hate to admit it, they make a lot of sense. They make a lot of sense because I'm here, I'm pulling up to the gas station, the price of gas. I'm going. I go to the supermarket for myself. I'm not one of those dudes that just send people to go. I go, I know what. I know what the price of milk is. I know what the price of eggs are. I know these things. I pump my own gas. Unless my guy is with me, my security, I pump my own gas. You know, I see the prices of this stuff, I'm like, the hell is this? And so I look at things from that standpoint, and when you hear people talking about practical, practical things, and then I saw folks on the left basically trying to guilt me into voting for you, it bothered me. I might have ended up voting for Kamala Harris because I didn't like how Trump acts. But what I didn't do was call him a racist. I didn't call him a Nazi. I knew Trump before he ran for president. We talked on the phone. We talk at basketball games or boxing events. I knew this man. And so some the things that were being said about him, I knew were not true. And I was saying, come on, y', all, that you got to do better than that. And I look at all of those things, and all of those things contributed to my ultimate move to Florida because I said it's time to think about me more and stop being guilted into looking at things through their lens. And that's where I'm at. So at your opening speech, you were basically giving the story of Passover. It was the story of Exodus, of the Jews leaving the Egypt to go to the promised land. And you were talking about the. What did you call them? Well, they were the 12 tribes, but they were the people that went in first. Yeah. What did you refer to them as? Scouts of the future. The scouts of the future. I was thinking as you were talking about that that seems to me to be some of these people that Trump has brought in. Trump sort of brought us all out of Egypt and now he's sending the scouts to go look and figure out what do you have to do? How do we do all of this? I mean, it really is beautiful when these stories can make some congruent. Well, the interesting thing about. One of the interesting things about that story is the insistence that you have a moral obligation to be optimistic about the future. And the future, well, the future is akin to the present. It will be occupied by many of the same people. It's rife with formidable and even apocalyptic challenges. And that's always the case. And the question then is, what's the appropriate moral attitude in the face, even truly, of a potential apocalypse? And the answer to that always is faith, courage, and the optimism that springs from faith and courage. And that isn't naive, you're required to do that morally, in some ways, that's even the defining characteristic of faith. And so what does that mean? It means what Caleb and Joshua do report to Moses when they're sent to Canaan to scout out the future. They say, well, it's a place of formidable challenge, but if we maintain our upward aim and our covenant with the divine, and then there's no desert we can't make bloom. And I think that's right. I also think that's the right rejoinder to the Malthusians, even from a biological perspective. Their notion is it's a zero sum game and will multiply till we consume all possible resources. And the rejoinder to that is human beings transform the idea of resource itself. And the future is a place of unlimited possibility if you maintain your upward aim. I think that's true. And so if it's true, you're called upon to be a forthright and optimistic scout of the future, and then you're the people who lead the loss to the promised land. And yes, yes, that seems correct. What do you think the healthiest thing is to happen to some of these people, like, as we uncover the fraud? You know, I'm not a huge fan of just starting to arrest people and people get caught up in things and that's not a defense of anyone. And clearly there's been criminal abuse and fraud and all those things. But I think once we start arresting people, it puts us in, in sort of this cycle where we'll just all do it to each other. What's your general philosophy around that? I think, I think the somewhat, somewhat obnoxious suggestion I had was that we need something like a Truth and Reconciliation commission, which was set up in post apartheid South Africa, where, you know, as long as we got to the truth and we figured out what had happened, there can be reconciliation. But the first step is we need to come clean. We need to have some accountability for what happened. And so I want, yeah, I want us, I don't want us to have lots of arrests. I don't want lots of people to just get prosecuted, but I do think we need to have a lot more transparency into what exactly was going on in the sausage making factory. And my suspicion is that that sort of transparency will very much discourage a repeat of this behavior. I think the FISA process was completely out of control. The Russia conspiracy theories, 2016, 2017, it was completely insane, contrived in some ways extremely malicious. And, and, you know, we should come clean and we should publicize every single FISA investigation that was made and we should discuss who are the people who drove these investigations. And then again, I'm not sure they should go to jail or get fired, but it should be at least, you know, part of their, part of their record in their career at these, at these departments. Right. I don't know if you saw it. Look, I, and I think, I think there's a, the part where I'm sort of hopeful is I think we are already at a point where the FISA process is way less out of control than it was eight, nine years ago, because people are at FBI and I say they are more hesitant to do this because they kind of worry there might be accountability at this point. But I also suspect it was really out of control in the recent past. Identity politics calls us always to relitigate the ancient past, the sins of our forefathers. And what I think the Trump administration should be investigating is not the distant past, but the recent past. It's more important to look into COVID 19 and Fauci and all these people than into 16, 19. And then my suspicion is that there was a lot of abuse, there was a lot of crazy stuff that happened because, and this again is from an obnoxious comparison. I think there was something about the Biden thing that was crazier than apartheid South Africa. But for 30 years, if you look at every single metric, health, education, employment, the country has gone backwards. Every state owned enterprise has been bankrupted. South African Airways used to be the best airline in Africa. Bankrupt Eskom Electricity Supply Commission. We don't have enough electricity. We have load shedding, which means four, five, six hours a day, we have no electricity. The rail network's destroyed. The ANC has destroyed our country. And it is a racist, kleptocratic and ineptocratic government. So let's talk about the racist part because obviously that's still unfortunately the word of the day. It's a little hard, I think from an American perspective for people to realize that a government could truly govern in a. I guess it's not that hard in some sense, but that could govern in a, in an actual racist manner when it comes to who's getting what services and what land, et cetera, et cetera. 140 Race based laws in South Africa, all anti white. And eight days ago, Cyril Ramaphosa, our president, signed into law and just hear these three words, expropriation without compensation. And this is just the straw that broke the camel's back. There's been endless laws anti white boiling us like a frog in a bowl. And all I can say is thank you America and thank you Donald Trump for taking notice because we are on the edge of the socialist abyss. So how do you guys get out of this? Obviously there's a complex racial history there. How do you reverse some of this? I mean, that's an awful lot of laws. And I don't think we can internally. We have to wait till the 2029 national election. And I don't think our economy will survive. It requires some external dynamic to change it. And I think Donald Trump in America taking notice and coming in swinging with a baseball bat may be that dynamic we need. Gold has officially gone mainstream. You're seeing it everywhere. And prices just keep climbing. Every day more and more Americans are discovering the power of gold. But how do you actually take advantage of it? How do you invest in a way that's safe, simple and built for the long run? That's where noble gold investments comes in. Their specialists are trained to help advisors like, you go from confused to confident, from wondering what's next to knowing exactly what to do. 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Well, aside from that, I don't really want to talk about it. O.J. the whole O.J. thing. Okay, if you don't mind. I mean, I'll just tell you this. The last time I saw him was at the wrap party for the Last Naked Gun. I said goodbye, shook hands, I sold him my knife collection and that was the last that I saw. I never saw him again. So I guess first look, Sherry. 1962, it's 20, 25 now, 63 years later. I'm only 48. It's 63 years, man. Like, do you feel, do you feel as much love for it now as you fell? And how has that changed over the years? The love of the music. And as long as you understand that you're not doing it for you and you're doing it for an audience who may be out there waiting to hear you bought a ticket or waited six months until you appeared in that place. So that's what keeps it fresh. And is it as exciting for you personally every morning, like when you wake up? I mean, you had a gig last night and then you get on the bus. I saw the tour bus. And then here you are again and you got another one, I think tomorrow, right? Well, it's always exciting. I've been doing this since I was about 16 or 17. And can you imagine what it's like to have an audience your whole life? No, I can't. Doing what you love. And then Loving what you're doing. It's amazing. And I see. I've been to. I told you, I've been to probably a dozen of your shows. And I see grandparents now who saw you back then, now with their grandkids, and they. They equally love it. It's. It's incredible. Well, because of Jersey Boys. Yeah, it's caught on with little kids and younger kids, so we get a mixture in the audience. What do you think? 1962, Frankie Valli, or even before that, the kid that was under the lamppost that you talk about in Jersey Boys. What do you think he would think about Frankie Valli in 2025 still out there? You think he would believe it? Well, no, he'd probably think he was just dreaming. And do you like being on the road? Do you like actually going to all these cities? But I do love performing. For me, I mean, that's really what it's all about. And it's crazy because I've seen you do this where the women are still coming to you and you're still touching all the hands and they love you and you're blowing the kisses and the whole thing. They deserve that much. Anybody who could stay with you and be a fan for as long as some of these people have been deserves to get as close to you as they could possibly get when they can. Yeah. I want to jump back to something you said earlier, because you mentioned that we want to respect the Constitution. Obviously, we are a law and order state. What I've noticed is they're being very careful about sort of the outright violence and then how they push all of our law laws. So in Florida, what is our policy if they're, if they're going to take over? Just. It's not about throwing rocks, let's say, which obviously they'd be arrested, you know, over an overpass or something like that. But if they're going to take over a street without a permit or something like that, are these people immediately going to be arrested? Like, what. What is actually our policy the second they step over that line, as blurry as they want it to be? Well, the Hamas demonstrations, when that was in vogue, they tried to do that in the city of Miami, and the Miami PD got him off the street in 13 minutes. They tried to do it in central Florida on a state road. And our state highway patrol, they were able to Dispatch him in 11 minutes. And so, yes, there is zero tolerance. You have no right to commandeer streets. And first of all, it's just wrong. Second of all, that has Huge impacts on people's quality of life. You may have a parent needing to go pick up a child from. From daycare, from a camp, or from school. You may have. Somebody has a medical issue they need to get. And what, you're going to clog all the roads. So we have an absolutely zero tolerance policy for that. And we also have a policy that if you're driving on one of those streets and a mob comes and surrounds your vehicle and threatens you, you have a right to flee for your safety. And so if you drive off and you hit one of these people, that's their fault for impinging on you. You don't have to sit there and just be a sitting duck and let the mob grab you out of your car and drag you through the streets. You have a right to defend yourself. In Florida, I actually did get invited to speak to a Kamala Harris event right after Madison Square Garden. They hit me up in the. Me and my. My staff was there in the lobby of the Peninsula Hotel and said, was he serious about that? And my staff was standing right there. My staff said, yes. They said, well, we've got one coming up, and here's the information that you can. We said, here's our information. You can contact us. We'll come. We'll get there at our own expense. All you got to do is tell us when, tell us where. They said, okay, we'll be in touch. Ghosted us, never heard another word. They actually didn't want me to come at all. I think maybe that person got back and said, hey, I talked to Dr. Phil, and he said, are you nuts? Because they actually didn't want me there, but I damn sure would have gone. And I probably made a hundred requests from people inside the party, inside the inner circle to interview Biden and Harris, and neither one of them would talk to me. And, you know, the thing is, I would never have disrespected either. I wasn't, of course, of course, but I would never disrespect the office of the President of the United States. What a bad look that is. You just don't do that. I wouldn't do that. I would have treated him with the dignity and respect that someone in that office deserves. I would have asked questions, of course, but I would never disrespect the President of the United States. And I said very clearly, had Kamala Harris been elected president, she would have been my president, and I would have supported her as my president. I made that very clear. And I said, if Donald Trump's elected He will be my president and I will support him as my president. I've always said that. So putting the politics aside for a second on the rollercoaster ride of running the businesses, obviously the businesses are. Even before the lawsuits and everything, you know, your dad became so polarizing. How did you manage? Okay, we've still gotta sell hotel rooms. We've got all these other products, you know, now we've got a certain set of the country that's just not going to touch these things. That loved it. That loved all these products, you know, four years ago, how did you manage just sort of to traverse that. That landscape. Yeah. And listen, you had 50% of the country that walked to the end of earth for, you know, for my father. And. And so listen, there's no question it came with challenging time were we canceled, did a lot of group business, you know, go elsewhere because they, you know, you know, frankly, it's. Obviously, we became political. Sure. But the exact opposite is happening now. I think we have the greatest brand in the world. I'm so fortunate to run the company. We're the best company that we've ever had by a factor of a lot. But they wanted to see us dead. I mean, every Fortune 500 CEO of a big bank was calling us up. Congratulations, we're canceling your accounts. Capital One, Chase, bank of America, they were doing everything that they could to pull the rails out from under us. Every attorney general was attacking us and suing us. We were getting subpoenaed every single day. Tens and tens of millions of dollars worth, you know, or documents in discovery production on every front. The raids on Mar A Lago, the attacks on our employees, the attacks on, you know, me personally and everybody in the family. They were trying to divide the family. They were trying to split up the family. You know, that was the nature of the siege. And that's before they turned to physical violence, I. E. Butler, I. E. The golf course incident, that is Charlie Kirk. Right. I mean, they wanted to do anything they could to silence our voice and put us under siege. And it's a beautiful story, and it's a story that we won. And it's a story I'm incredibly proud of. I'm not sure how many people would have had the backbone and tenacity to fight through what my father fought through and fight through what we fought through. And Dami, I think, has studied Castro's speeches because the same patterns are in play. Oh, I'm not a Communist. Oh, no, no, no. I'm a democratic socialist. But you crap he would confiscate everything you have, Dave like that if he could. I agree. Okay. All right. That's what he wants. He wants to confiscate private property. He wants the government to run everything and to give to the have nots or whatever it may be. Okay. If he's elected, then two things happen right away. The police department dissolves because even now many, many experienced officers are retiring looking for other work. They're, they're trying to get out. They're down here with us in Florida, Bill. That's where they've all come. There's a lot of people going to Florida. So the NYPD and my grandfather was one. Is 10,000 light, 10,000 under what they should be. You'd have another 10,000 out of there. That is gonna give. Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits they leave out. Check the math. @t mobile.com switch and now T Mobile is in US cellular stores. Savings versus Comparable Verizon plans plus the cost of optional benefits plan features in Texas. If these benefits vary. Savings with three plus lines include third line free via monthly bill credits, credit stop if you cancel any lines. Qualifying credit required. License to every violent miscreant to do whatever they want to do, which they're pretty much doing now with the no bail law. Okay. And Bragg is the DA and he doesn't prosecute anything. So it's a free fire zone on crime. The other thing is economics. So where I live is just outside the New York City boundary. Real estate in my town has gone up 20%, 20 since Mandani announced. And that's all New York City selling their places, getting the hell out before he comes in. Because what he's going to do is put draconian taxation on everything, not just your income, but everything's going to double because he's going to boom, boom, boom. New York City tax on this, New York City tax on that. And corporations are going can't do it. So they're going to go to Tennessee, Florida, Texas, the Carolinas. And the people who have homes in the five boroughs are moving to Connecticut, Long Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, wherever it may be. So that flow out I estimate to be at a half million people in four years on demand, dummy. A half million will leave the New York City area. In a way, I see that as a kind of microcosm of what I want to do with the show. I want to bring people together. Look, I want to do big one on one interviews. I want to do interviews with two people, one either side. They're great as well. Do a lot of those. But when you have the four people, two on either side about a big issue, I make no apologies for it getting passionate and fiery. I just hope that rather than it descending, as it sometimes does into total chaos, that actually I can calm people enough where I can try and bring them to a point where we can at least agree on various points. Right. And then, then I think it serves a very valuable purpose. Do you think there's a fundamental reason though that the people that tend to be left leaning in these debates are the ones screaming, yelling, saying all the awful things. Like it's very. Can you think of one instance where someone that you brought out on the right in one of these debates was doing any of that? No, he gets. But it's usually. Yeah, he yells a little bit, but it's like. But he's doing it kind of. He's a comic also. He does. But he can. But that's fundamentally different than a lot of the crazy that's coming. Yes. But you see, for instance, when it's you and Chang, for example. Yeah. You remaining icily calm. Yeah. Drives him completely nuts. Yeah. But as a viewer, I really like the dynamic of you two. You might find it a little odd and unsettling to do it, but viewer, they think you've got cool hand Ruben, you've got mad chink going bonkers. I love check. I get on very well with it personally. Right. But he, I do like him, actually. I go and have coffee with him in LA sometimes. He's charming company. Right. But he just gets very wound up to the point his blood vessels start exploding. You don't, you tend to stay very calm. And I think the dynamic is. Well, I think when you tell the truth, it's easy to become calm. When you're a lying propagandist, obviously, you know, he says exactly the same about you guys on the right. So that's what I mean about. So if you're a viewer in the middle and you're not actually, you know, self declared partisan. Yeah. I hope you look at you both and actually sometimes one will win, sometimes the other wins, sometimes you both get a win. It's like, it's an interesting little battle to watch if you're not on the highest. So in that moment when I, when I pulled the receipts out, I read his titles back. So what's going on in your mind when You. When you see one of those moments, fizz, shut up and let Dave do his thing. What was it like working with Richard Lewis? Because if I could just tell you for one second, one of. Truly, one of the. The best moments of my career was I. I interviewed Rich when we still had. We still lived in la. And he came to my house, and I loved. Obviously, you can see how much I love the show. And I've loved him since I saw him on Young Comics on HBO in, like, 1982 or something. And at the end of the interview, we had such a great time together. And, you know, obviously he was a germaphobe, sort of. Larry's got a lot of that, and I'm sure he didn't. Probably didn't touch you that often, but. And he. When he walked in, he gave me the fist bump, kind of the Larry David fist bump. But at the end, as he was walking out of my house, he goes. He goes, dave, I want you to know, you know, you're a really great interviewer. And he put his hand on my face like this, and it was just like this, like, bizarrely nice moment. I was like, I can't believe it. He doesn't touch anyone any like this. And I was like, I'm always gonna remember that Richard Lewis touched my face. What was it like working with him? Well, I do write about this in my book, because I loved Richard. Oh. And like you, I. I was a huge fan of his before I got to work with him on Curb. And when I was younger, I used to have the biggest crush on Richard Lewis. Really? Oh, my gosh. He did a show with Jamie Lee Curtis, and I would watch the show every week and just think, oh, Richard Lewis. So when I got to work with him, it was, you know, next atmosphere. I was so happy. And he, like you're saying, he had a very sweet, soulful side to him, and he. Even though everybody's always doing comedy bits on shows, especially on Curb, everybody's funny and everybody's doing bits, Richard would, you know, he would pull you aside and say, hey, I really love you. Yeah, I love what you're doing, man. You know, you're the best out there. It was so sweet, you know? Yeah. Did you know, not to get too personal, but did you know that his health was really failing at the end? Because clearly, when you watch the shows, he wasn't himself anymore. And obviously, you know, Dave Osborne also passed away during the show, and I think. Did. Did Shelley Berman also pass away during. Yeah, so a few. A few of the mainstays of the show passed away while you guys were shooting. Well, he never talked about a specific health issue. But we had worked together for so long. We had worked together. I mean, the, the span of Curb youb enthusiasm was over 24 years. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's so crazy. So we could tell, you know, that he, he was struggling in some aspects and he just, we just needed to take extra good care of him. Yeah. So you could tell it was harder for him towards the end. One of the big takeaways are don't think about health expenses as an expense, but think about them as an investment. If we use these dollars correctly, we will return Americans to their optimal health. It's a hand up we're giving people, not a handout. If they're healthy, they'll work better, longer, and all that translates to remarkable growth of our economy. I'll give you a number. Take the average 61 year old today, which is the, by the way, average retirement age. So the average person born in 1964 is retiring this year. Remember Medicare doesn't start till 65, so they're retiring early. If you get that age group, just that one year to work three more years to age 64, just that one age group, everyone is 64. Born in 64 is going to work another three years. That's worth $1 trillion to the US economy. Think about that. Basically we can close our debt by just getting people to work a little longer. And if they're healthy, they might want to do that. That's the opportunity that health care offers us. I'll give you one concrete example. The work requirement that there was so much fighting over. Yeah, yeah. Now when Medicaid was created, it never dawned on anybody's mind, never crossed their mind that they would be offering free health insurance to people who are able bodied but not working. Years later, as part of the Affordable Care act under President Obama, there was a decision made to allow able bodied members of the American population to join Medicaid. It was supposed to be transient. You get on it, you get off it. Now it's become basically a trap where you have situ, you know, you have generational unemployment. That's easy because you get health insurance for not doing anything. No one asks you to do anything. No one even asks you if you made money money. You just sit there and collect health insurance. And it was basically, it was basically you're in between jobs. In essence. It was just, it was supposed to be. But it's become that you Never have to work. Now the guy next to you, the apartment next to you is flipping burgers all day long, making $20,000 a year, exhausted, right? But you get the same life that he does. The property level, $16,000. There's no real difference by the way, at that level. So why bother working? So what we said was you need to engage your community. You have agency over your future. You may not know that, but that's your God given power is to make a difference in the world. You were not put on the planet to watch 6.1 hours of television or leisure time, which is the data by the way, for able bodied people on Medicaid who aren't working. So what we said was, and this shouldn't be controversial, is we want you to go get an education, go volunteer somewhere, go get a job or at least help take care of kids. I mean do something. And guess what? Most Americans, when given that option, will take the deal. They'll go out and try to change the world. 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I love Dave's in my life, you guys. So that, I mean, that's a lot of stuff to happen in a short period. It's a lot. What did you make of those two things happening at once? I mean, basically going through the personal side, divorce and all that and the career stuff. I mean, that's a lot of stuff to just be up in the air. It was the craziest time in my life. And I do look back and I'm actually trying to give myself some grace. I'm frustrated with some things that I, I didn't do quickly enough. Yeah, I think we beat ourselves up when we fail and I think when you get a divorce, it's a failure in some ways. I was married for 20 years, almost to the day, together for 27 years, from 20 to 47. I met my ex husband in college and first boyfriend. Wow. But look what came of those. There were the majority, beautiful years. And I have three awesome kids from that. But I think when it fails, and as a Catholic and you have Catholic guilt and Catholic guilt, Jewish guilt, black guilt, white guilt, oh, only half black guilt. Like I have all of it and like I just had to forgive myself and I mean from a spiritual aspect, like I thought God was going to be really mad at me. I had, I talked to my priest and was very helpful in saying, okay, have you prayed about this? What has been your process to get to this point? And then afterwards, and then by the way, when you have three kids and at the time they were all in high school, you know, like trying to make life as good as possible for them and then to co parent, which we did well, especially at the beginning, we did really well when they were younger. I look back on that time into fear because then you have to go to work and support everybody. Right. So I remember, you know, you get a difficult text message or talk a conversation with an attorney, sometimes in commercial breaks and you're back on, that light comes on and whatever's going on in your personal life has to go in the back Everybody does that every single day when they go into work. Everybody's got something. Did it ever bleed? Do you have one moment where it bled into it? Like, actually on television? Not on television. Not on television. I think, you know, Covid happened at the same time. It was literally three months after my divorce. Covid hit like it was insane. And living in the Northeast, not in the free state of Florida, completely shut down. And Winter at the time, awful. I actually believe that from that moment on, like, the beginning of those personal difficulties through Covid, through suspension and cancellation and a lawsuit for the last 16 months of my time at ESPN that was public against the company for which I was still working. I did my best work. I just learned to become a master compartmentalizer. Is that the word sounded like a word. I know how to compartmentalize really well now, which cannot always be good. That can be a bad thing, I think if you just put stuff away in your personal life and even professionally, too. I will say this. I hadn't given up on love or finding someone, but I had stopped thinking about it. And I never knew how to date Dave. Like, I married my first boyfriend. Like, I never knew. So at one point, my kids used to mock me. They're like, you're the only single one out of all of us. And then one time, I only dated one guy, kind of seriously during those five years that I was single. And Quinn, my oldest, one time she saw me texting him back, and she's like, is that what you're sending? Do not push send on that, Mom. Give me that. This is what you need to say. And then she's like, now, wait half an hour. Don't send it yet. Like, there's dragons. Yada, yada, yada. That's not the guy you're marrying. Hell, no. But, like, I didn't know what I was doing. And maybe my kids were, like, laughing at me and mocking again. I wouldn't. I wouldn't change it. And now to have met someone who went through something similar, you know, he has two kids and my three. You guys are like the modern Brady Bunch, kind of. Yeah. And I'm just. I'm so grateful. But I know. And sometimes I think, man, I wish I'd met him earlier. I wish. We always say, I wish we wish we could have had children together. They would have been really tall, athletic, curly hair, like, all the. And I've met your kids. You're doing okay. They're phenomenal. Yes. But, like, to continue, I'm like, well, we're all Dried up, babe. There is nothing left in here at this age. Menopause, fully in it. Like, no, it wouldn't have worked. Just like you with David. Right? It takes every step of that sometimes painful journey to get to that day, in that moment where I happened to be in Nashville, Tennessee, at a charity for veterans because I'm a daughter of a vet and he is a vet and the son of a vet happened to be there that one day on a Tuesday that if I hadn't stood up to ESPN and Disney, I would have been in Connecticut doing SportsCenter. Not at this event where I met the love of my life. And it turns out you have crazy connection between your moms, right? Moms somehow knew each other. Yeah. Thirty plus years ago, our fathers were stationed together in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. So in the early 90s, they graduated from West Point a year apart. My dad, 1970, his dad, 1971. Fast forward to the early 90s, and our moms actually used to volunteer at a convent for retired nuns in Kansas. And I'm three years older, so I was in college when he was in high school. And. And Fast forward to 2024, and we're at this event and he recognized me from ESPN and came up to say hi and said, by the way, you know, we kind of know each other. And I'm like, oh, Lord, don't give me this cheesy ass line. I've kind of heard them all at this point the last couple of years. And when he said that and gave my mom's name, basically I was like, excuse me. And you're really cute. Okay, let's talk. Sounds so lame. And you know this, but I knew that night. Got engaged five months to the day later. Crazy. I've always said, Dave, that communism is the easiest sell in politics because every society is an inverted pyramid, right? There's always less wealthy people numerically, more people that are on the lower end of the economic pyramid. And so it's very easy to tell them, look, guys, if things aren't working out, I have the answer. I'm going to use government. Government's going to be the vehicle to take more from these people. Let's flatten that triangle, right? The problem is it's the opposite of all. You know, a rising tide lifts all boats. This is a sinking tide, sinks all boats, right? So it will literally. You know, I always joke about Fidel Castro that, you know, he said, give us all your property, give us all your businesses, and we'll make everybody equal. And he did. He Made everybody equally poor, equally miserable and equally destitute. And that's what's going to happen in New York, unfortunately. Is it that sort of Cuban PTSD that we have in Miami that will always save us? I hope so, in some sense. I mean, I, I, I hope so. I think that's part of even why if a Democrat were to get elected in Miami as a mayor or a Democrat, we have a Democratic county mayor, even those people are very sensitive to the issues that Cubans and Cuban Republicans feel. And they, they toe the line very, very carefully because they know that they're one election away from being defeated if they mess around too much. I, I want to help my country, and I don't want to bend the knee and I don't want to kiss a ring. I want Americans to walk erect and I don't want cults of personality. I don't want to genuflect every time Elon's name gets mentioned. Nor do I want to be asked, are you on the Trump train? Yes or no? Because quite honestly, I was on this train a long time before Trump ever boarded. And this idea that a bunch of, in particular the tech, right, they just jumped on this thing four seconds ago, and now they're acting like they've been here the whole time. It's incredibly disrespectful. Way too much emphasis is being placed on the market. Even free market economists know that there's certain things that the market can't do, like public goods or principal agent, what have you. So there's this sort of simplicity and this bravado and triumphalism that I find repellent. But when it comes to the reforms, do I want these people to succeed? Oh, my God, you have no idea. Do I want to help? 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See, I don't see the symmetry on that in that to me the left has been largely and the Democrat party largely has been overtaken by let's say the Hamas thing on the right. I don't see Trump really placating those people. I don't think he's a question of placating. It's a question of you actually have to call this stuff out. You can't have open borders welcoming in people who hate you. Not everybody hates us who comes in, but a large number do. And there's no price to pay for hating the country you're in if you move to the west. And so I'm afraid, yes, that's my right. Rather bleak prognosis. Terrorism is about the only thing that seems to wake anyone up. And even then, I mean, and even then it does. I mean we had a massive terrorist attack in New Orleans on New Year's Day and nobody talked about it two days later in America. Yes. Take the Southport stabbings which occurred last summer in a town in the north of England. A son of Rwandan immigrants goes on a knifing spree at Taylor Swift themed dance party for young girls. Stabs three under 10 girls to death repeatedly. Many others and the Authorities, government, much of the media, they say it's a man from Wales. And in some ways they were right. But this wasn't just some maniac Welshman. We have the right to know, I think if, if girls are being stabbed to death at dance classes, we have the right to know how that person is here, how his family are here, and exactly what they brought to Britain. But the Labour government and others, as you know, just say, shut up, don't talk about it. And if you even speculate on the motives, you'll go to prison much faster than the killer. So I think I want to share with you two important things. One, one is that we need to recognize that people will tell you that solar and wind is incredibly cheap. And that's technically true. This is why it's such an insidious argument. So everybody has seen this graph of over time how solar and wind has just come down in price and they're very cheap right now. So people will tell you solar and wind, some of the cheapest electricity on the planet. But what they don't tell you is, yeah, when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, but otherwise it's the most expensive power on the planet because it's infinitely costly. You can't get it. And so the reality is, if you actually look at, if you look across the world for how much energy do you get? Sorry, how much electricity do you get from solar and wind and how much is the price? You get a very clear upward sloping situation. You have cheap countries that have virtually no solar and wind and then you just get more and more expensive. So you have China and India down here, you have the US a little higher, they have EU all the way up there. And the reality is there's no countries down here that are saying we have lots of solar and wind and cheap power that you need to know. So currently you're being sold a tall lie. So do you have any insight into what happened on the day that Biden stepped down? I mean, was there a meeting? It seems that there was likely a meeting, I'm trying to word this totally correctly, that there was likely a meeting with Schumer, Pelosi at least, and Joe and Jill Biden. And it seems that Joe Biden wanted to continue. That's what he told the ladies of the View. He did not continue. So do you have any insight into what happened that day? That day? I don't think Pelosi was in. In person. With him. I don't. I think Schumer had visited him days before and it was much to, you know, much to his consternation. It basically failed. Biden was stubborn, Afghanistan, as always. And he was sick throughout this time. So mind you, there weren't many people visiting him. He had Covid also. That was a convenient excuse for him to hunker down. What I will say is people were kept in the dark about the timing of the announcement, including the highest echelons of United States government. For example, Anita Dunn, whom I worked in close concert with, had no idea. She did a conference call that morning telling people that we would stay the course, that they would stay the course. And so she had only like a minute heads up that the announcement was coming. And I have to. I can't stress enough how high up Anita Dunn was. She was basically part of the council presidents. Dave, we didn't have a president in the. We had a council of these unelected people that you've never even heard of. And they're Anita Dunn, Mike Donnell and Steve Rachette City. Three of them were running the country. I. Most Americans, I would say maybe like 1%, if that have heard of them. Right. So just to be clear, you don't know who was in the room when he made that final decision. If we're to believe Mike Donnell and his family. Now, Elon was a hero to people like, oh, so making this electric car is going to save the planet? And, yeah, wow, we're going to go to Mars. Cool. You know, it's just like people that hate him now thought he was the second coming. I mean, it's incredible, I think. Yeah, because really, when he was doing Tesla, I mean, he went bankrupt, basically. He's been public about this. I'm not speaking out of school. He basically went bankrupt and a friend of ours was loaning him money to keep him afloat. And I famously had dinner with him one time and he showed me the Model S car on his phone. He was getting in the middle of his divorce and he's told the story publicly. And I was like, I have a couple of million dollars I can loan you. He's like, said, don't bother. I'm. I'm done. Tesla's going to go out of business in two weeks. And I was like, really? And he's like, because I had seen in Gawker, they said it was going to go out of business next month. I said, is. Is it true? And he's like, no, it's not true. I was like, oh, thank God. He's like, we have two weeks, not four. And I was like, Whoa. This is like right before the money from. I don't know how. I don't know the story. Well, he. We were at Boa eating a steak, just the two of us, and he was. You were at Boa on Sunset? On Sunset. Literally the only thing from LA that I miss, that was my favorite restaurant. And it's the only place I go back to. Two of us went there and our roadsters. He had P1 or P2, the prototype, and I had number 16. And he just had texted me like, hey, on our blackberries, like to date this conversation. Let's have dinner. I'm feeling kind of blue. I need some company. So I went and had dinner with him and he was like, yeah, it's. It's kind of like, what's going on with the rocket ship company? It's like, yeah, well, he blew two up. I said, well, what happens when's the next launch? He's like, oh, the launch is coming next month. And I said, what happens if you blow that one up? He's like, SpaceX is gone. And I'm like, okay, well, I got a couple million dollars. I'll ship it to you on Monday and, you know, whatever, I'll loan it to you. And he's like, don't bother. Not necessary. I said, well, Elon, there's gotta be some good news. And he said, yeah, actually, I got some good news today. I said, okay. And he takes out his BlackBerry. Don't tell anybody. And he shows me the clay models of the Model S. And he's flipping through it. You know, on the black brace, he used to have that little track pad thing on the ball. Yeah. And he's flipping through it and I looked at it. It. And it literally was clay models, you know, like little clay. But I'm looking at it, I'm like, that's nicer than the Porsche. It's like, I've never seen a car. It looks kind of like a futuristic Taurus or something. It's like, what is it going to cost? It's four doors and it's like a sedan. He's like, yeah. He said, what should I call it? And I was like, I don't know. You can call it like the Model T. He's like, yeah, we can't call it the Model T. He's going to call it the Model S because T is still. Yeah, Ford still has the trademark. We actually looked into that. I was like, yeah, that's a pretty good name. Model S is good. Like st. Whatever sedan. And I said, what's it gonna cost? And he said, I think I can do it for $50,000. I said, if you can do that for $50,000, you'll change the fucking world you have. This company has to survive. And like he wound up over Christmas in Saint Barts, closing some funding from some friends of ours and he kept the company alive. But when I got home, I went to my wife Jade. I said, give me the checkbook. And I wrote two $50,000 checks. And I said, dear Ilana, great looking car. I'll take two. Love, Jason. And when did those get delivered? I sent it to him, I kid you not. He put it in his desk drawer. He didn't cash the checks cause he didn't want to take the hundred grand and blow it. And I knew that would like, maybe give him an extra day in payroll. And I told Jade that hundred's done, we're never going to get it. But I wanted to let him know I was in his corner. And I kid you not, three or four months later, the checks get cashed. He had handed them to somebody and said, here's the first orders. I got the first orders. Literally three years later, your serial number, reservation 0000-001-000073. So I called him and said, hey Lon, I can't take number one, you got to take number one. He's like, take number one. I got four of these prototypes. I got no garage space left, right? He's probably don't have a number on him. And he said, I want you to have it because you were the first person to order it. And it's like very important for me for you to have it. 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And the mainstream media, which was back at the time also controlled by the liberal, they started a political campaign against us and they were portraying Hungary like fascist dictatorship type of country and no one else, and the voters, the politicians on the other side, actually no one knew who we are and what we're doing. So no one was speaking against it. And that was the liberal propaganda against Hungary everywhere. But then, then with Donald Trump, the situation changed. Because I think American people and many Western European people realized when the liberal media started to spread lies on Trump, they realized that, oh, they are lying on this issue. You start seeing it in one place and next thing, yeah, you're seeing it. And then they realize that if they're lying about Trump, it's possible that they are lying about Viktor Orban in Hungary as well. And they are lying about many things. And people started to be curious, curious about what's going on. And this is why we are very happy to have so many Americans who are here and they, they have field experience what's going on and, and they can, they can broadcast a different context which is closer to the truth than the liberal one. The media compilation they showed beforehand, I mean, the things they were saying about Hungary and about your Prime Minister, it's exactly the same stuff. It is exactly the same playbook. Look over, over and over. Let's deal with the borders and immigration first, because that seems to be a top of mind. And here we're in Hungary, a place that closed their borders and you know, they're paying the price. From a European Union perspective. I, I talked with Balash Orban on stage. They pay a million euros a day to the European Union just because they keep their, their borders closed. It's quite absurd, frankly, from an American. What do you do? I mean, not only do you have illegals in the country, but you also have a lot of legal people that's sitting, want to adopt the British values that you're talking about. So there are lots of different problems here. But what has happened is an orthodoxy has taken over British institutions in the same way as it's taken over European institutions. And that orthodoxy believes in mass migration, multiculturalism, toleration of Islamism. And we've seen appalling cover ups of grooming gangs in Britain. You know, girls as young as 12 being systematically raped and now no national inquiry. It's been covered up. So there is a group of people who have essentially taken over our institutions with a particular worldview and they don't want to be challenged, which is why we're seeing free speech being suppressed, because they don't want people to know just how badly wrong it's going. And I think all of these problems are connected. So mass migration is putting pressure on housing costs, which means that Brits aren't able to start a family, they're not able to buy a home because it's too expensive. That's creating a population crisis, which then creates a demand for more migration. You've also got a left wing ideology in terms of things like net zero, which is making British energy very expensive. So our energy costs in Britain are four times what they are in the United States. So all of these things are compounded and people feel that things are getting worse and they can't even say what is wrong. So they can't even complain about the grooming gangs or speak out about what happened in Southport because they're literally fearful of getting arrested. We don't know, Dave. And when you look at when you actually did a whole video on this, there's a package insert for the vaccine and it will tell you you what pre licensing studies were done and the amount of days that they monitored the child for adverse events was five days. Five days. We don't know. Do you? It just, we don't know. And when you're taking this kind of a risk with a disease that your kid is probably never gonna get, and if there is a risk, we can test for that risk before vaccinating them. What ended up happening was Merck created the vaccine. This is, this is. I don't have concrete proof of this. This is what I've heard. This is my opinion on it, on the matter. But Merck was asked to create it and it was initially, this is fact, recommended for intravenous drug users and sex workers. But that group of people, that tomography is not really interested in preventing disease. So they didn't get it right. And Merck's like, we're losing our ass here. Just FYI, we're getting killed. Built. So they lobbied the World Health Organization to make it a mandate. They lobbied the CDC to get it on the schedule. They funded the Every Child Buy 2 campaign, which I think was headed by Rosalind Carter. This is all true. And now it's a guaranteed sale once it's on the schedule. It is an $8 billion a year business projected to reach 13 billion by, I believe it was 2032. We don't know. I don't want this to sound arrogant, but I'm going to say it anyway. I actually think that a lot of people from the progressive side don't want to come on and have to justify their positions in terms of arguments, facts, reason, the basis of so much of our knowledge, which, which is historical understanding. They don't want to go there. As Ian Hirsi Ali puts it, we're in danger of turning our democracy into an emocracy. Democracy can only work when you're clearly committed to reasoned evidence based debate. You will not produce good policy out of a truncated, a bastardised, a silenced debate. It can't happen. That's the story of the west today day we're not seeing good policy because the debating processes are so tortured, so maligned if you like, so broken down and we don't. Because we don't think truth matters anymore. Who was it Thomas Sowell made that interesting observation? It's not that little Johnny can't think. He can think. It's not that little Johnny can't feel. He can feel. The trouble is that little Johnny thinks that feeling is thinking. And so very rarely do people say no if they're interested in having a debate about something where they've done deep research and where it really stacks up. But there's a lot of people now who have high public profiles that are not doing that research and can't justify the their arguments. That's my impression. If it sounds arrogant, I'm sorry, but no, I don't think it sounds arrogant. I think that's kind of just where we are at as a species, partly because of the Internet and partly because of success of the west has left us kind of fat and dumb and we're. Well, I guess that would be the next question. Do you think that some of this, what you just described is just a function of the success of the west in Australia? Undoubtedly. That's interesting. Undoubtedly. Generally speaking, both Australia and Britain and also the United States have got far more to be proud of in their past than to be ashamed of. So why do you think that our countries and most of the Western world seems to be going through this internal strife about its history. Is this all connected to sort of leftist politics and guilt over the past or is there something else going on? I think a lot of it has to do with cultural Marxism. A lot of it has to do with perhaps the decline of faith generally. Faith in institutions as well as religious faith. I used to be very confident in the long term survival and success of Western civilization because I thought that our civilization, unlike almost all of its predecessors and Current competitors had a capacity to learn and adapt from others. I think that self critical capacity which has been so important to our survival and success up till now has to some extent mutated into a kind of self loathing. And this is very destructive. It's very destructive. Yes. Look at yourself in the mirror and say this can be better and that can be better. But don't look at yourself in the mirror and despise what you see. In the recent two or three years we've seen a massive influx of people. We think there are almost as many as 2 million new immigrants, which on a population of 27 is a significant chunk, which has been a policy of this labor government government, including recently allowing the widows or brides from Isis to return to Australia, which is a very, very dangerous and controversial thing to be doing, of course. And so the dynamics change. What is their argument? In a place that has this many resources, that is this big, what is the argument? So we're going to bring in 10% of the population in two years? Well, the argument that would be used is that Covid there was almost a moratorium on immigration and we need to catch up. So that's the argument. And the argument is also always about skilled lab and we don't have the, you know, we don't have the, you know, the expertise in certain areas. The truth of the matter is that I think people are just coming in and working, you know, you know, normal jobs. And of course the net effect of that in many respects has been a press on housing, a press on living standards. And you know, there are stories in Australia now of people, you know, places like Sydney and Melbourne lining up with 200 people for a single, you know, bedroom apartment. So the effect on the cost of living and the lifestyle in Australia has been quite dramatic in a short amount of time. All very worried about that. I'm very worried about it. And of course, you know, this country was built on immigration. So this is, as they say, not about hating the player, it's about the game. The numbers are extraordinary at the moment. The United States had this same problem. It was illegal immigration, this is legal immigration. But the effects are the same. And you know, it's, it's a, you have to be in control of your borders in a country like this. And I'm very worried about where we're headed. One of the bullet points is that, that it's a field manual for understanding Washington. What do you think? If there was one thing that the average person that kind of pays attention to politics but not the way you might, or that I might, but that just kind of is paying attention. What is the one thing that they don't understand about how it all works or doesn't work that they should understand? Well, this explains a lot. I would explain to them that in Washington D.C. norm is a setting on the clothes dryer. In Washington D.C. common sense is illegal. It doesn't have to be. If we had a return to common sense, you'd have better government. And that's why I've said repeatedly in the book, the water in Washington D.C. is not going to clear up until you get the pigs out of the creek. It's just that simple. I try to make that point in the book. It's not a policy book per se. It's a story. Storybook. I talk about policy through stories. Some of the stories are. Will make you laugh. Some are deeply bizarre. They're all true. And I think the book will. I hope it'll make folks think, understand how we can fix it. You know, might make people laugh a little bit, might make them day drink. But everything in the book is true. And I do it through actual stories and experiences that I've had. You know, it's a good book. If someone starts day drinking while reading it, that kind of. Well, it's. I don't, I don't. It's unvarnished, man. I mean, it is unvarnished. I talk about President Trump, President Biden, Chuck Grassley, Xi Jinping. I met with him in China. I talk about Chuck Schumer. Everything in there is true. Well, we'll end with this then, because my team gave me. You know, I told you we're always playing all of your fun quips on on T all the time. But my guys gave me a whole bunch of your quotes and I want to, I want to see if we can work through this one because it's related to what I had for lunch today. You said Democrats are the well intended arugula and tofu crowd. I'm big on arugula. I don't like tofu. I had a steak, but I like arugula. What lettuce should I be switching to? Well, don't. Don't switch to kale, okay? Kale would be worse. That's right. Kale to me tastes like I'd rather be fat. And those skills, that willingness to endure rejection as opposed to deferring to a frictionless relationship is sequestering people, especially young men, and not giving them the life skills they need. Perseverance, how to open, how to talk to people how to sell. And most importantly, the key skill in success, I believe is the ability to endure rejection, to mourn and to move on to develop those calluses. 45% of men ages 18 to 25 have never approached a woman in person to ask for a her out. I think that's really unhealthy. And a lot of these men, young men have gotten mixed messages. No man wants to be the creep, right? You know, I read a story about a guy who approached a woman at a bar. Didn't go well. He was in artful and elegant. And then he finds out she works at JP Morgan and she complains about him. And so guys have gotten mixed messages. They have a competitor to life that makes us less mamalia. And I think ultimately over time these people become very anxious and depressed. If you want to see an orca go crazy, stick it in a tank alone. The worst thing you can do to a human is solitary confinement. I don't know if you have pets, but leave your dog alone and see what happens. So I really worry that we've created, we've attached our economy and trillions of dollars in market cap to again sequestering young men from what they need most. And that is other relationships. Guys, thanks for helping me carry my Christmas tree. Zoe. This thing weighs a ton. Drewski, live with your legs, man. Santa. Santa, did you get my letter? He's talking to you, Bridges. I'm not that. Of course he did. Right, Santa, you know my elf Drew Ski here. He handles the nice list and elf. I'm six' three. 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