How Feminine Safetyism Will Destroy America & How to Be Friends with Liberals | Adam Carolla

Summary

Episode Overview

Podcast: The Rubin Report
Host: Dave Rubin
Guest: Adam Carolla
Title: How Feminine Safetyism Will Destroy America & How to Be Friends with Liberals
Date: December 20, 2025

This episode features comedian and commentator Adam Carolla in a freewheeling, provocative discussion with Dave Rubin about the effects of “feminine safetyism” on American culture, the loss of hands-on work and blue-collar values, staying friends across political divides, and the evolution of media. The conversation oscillates between social criticism, personal anecdotes, and comic tangents, all with a candid, pragmatic tone.

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Main Themes & Discussion Points

1. Feminine Safetyism and Societal Control

• Adam Carolla argues that the increasing dominance of "feminine" values—embodied in policy by leaders like California’s Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass—results in overly risk-averse approaches to governance and daily life.
  • Carolla: “If we go too hard toward the feminine, we're going to end up mostly like LA, which definitely leans toward the feminine versus Florida, Texas...that have a more masculine tilt.” (00:56, 06:53)
  • He connects the expansion of safety regulations (from helmets on skateboards to over-regulation) to a broader societal trend: “Under the rubric of safety, I'm going to control your life 100%... It's because I'm worried about your safety and the safety of others.” (11:41)
  • COVID response cited as a case study: Carolla describes his own home life during the pandemic, contrasting his ex-wife’s strict adherence to safety protocols to his own skepticism. (04:08-06:48)

2. Masculine vs. Feminine Cultural Dynamics

• Carolla and Rubin joke about political figures’ body language (crossed legs, limp wrists) as metaphors for broader cultural shifts.
  • Humorous digressions on Trudeau, Newsom, Buttigieg, and Trump’s postures serve as light satire on masculine and feminine dynamics in public personas. (08:08-11:28)

3. The Value of Blue-Collar Worlds & Hands-On Work

• Pragmatism from manual labor: Carolla credits his background in the trades with grounding his worldview, contrasting it with the neuroses of white-collar and Hollywood circles.
  • “There’s a pragmatism that you get from working with your hands that is pretty unavoidable.” (13:15)
  • He provides an extended metaphor about cabinetry and construction to illustrate the difference between practical experience and detached theorizing. (13:15-14:31)
• Loss of Craft with Automation: Discussion of how robots and prefab construction may soon replace the artistry of hand-built homes—except for elites who will value “real people” artisanship as a luxury. (14:54-17:59)

4. Resilience, Purpose, and Mental Health

• Carolla reflects on the historical difference between “misery” and “depression,” drawing from his "Little House on the Prairie" analogy.
  • Memorable quote: “Everybody was miserable, but no one was depressed.” (20:42)
  • He argues that modern depression/anxiety is often a byproduct of detachment from physical, purposeful work: “A physical problem becomes a spiritual problem.” (21:31)
  • Real solutions are embedded in tangible activity: “Why don’t you listen to classical music and take a hike?” instead of immediately turning to medication. (21:56)
  • Blue-collar environments, he says, don’t leave room for neuroticism or dietary obsessions: “You can't be neurotic on like a construction site. There's no time for it.” (25:43)

5. Friendship and Political Difference

• On Kimmel, Maher, and Political Friendships: Carolla discusses how, despite major political disagreements (specifically with his former Man Show co-host Jimmy Kimmel), strong personal relationships should be possible.
  • Quote: “People are a package... you can always pick out a couple things you'd like to change about them. But there's a lot more good that comes with the package.” (26:33)
  • He critiques the recent phenomenon of relationships being defined—then destroyed—by politics instead of shared history or other values. (26:33-30:13)
  • Carolla explains that knowing the full person (e.g., Kimmel as a friend who cooks him pizza) makes it easier to maintain those friendships. (30:13-30:35)

6. Media & Podcasting Evolution

• Carolla recounts the early days of podcasting—how it started as a risky, unproven format after he was fired from radio, and the difficult path toward monetization.
  • Timeline highlights: Fired in February 2009, started podcast days later, no compensation, racked up significant bandwidth bills, then discovered live show monetization. (31:26-34:44)
  • Quote: “I had three year old, two and a half year old kids, young twins... no job and a new business that costs $9,000 a month with no income.” (33:49)
  • He emphasizes that podcasting, like music or comedy, only works for some: you need a combination of persistence and a sense of personal fit. (34:44-38:52)

7. Sustaining a Long Career: Talent vs. Timing

• Carolla contrasts “one-hit wonders” and those with enduring, multi-faceted careers (e.g., Albert Brooks, Danny Elfman).
  • Quote: “You want to be a Danny Elfman or Albert Brooks... because those guys have done all... It’s the marathon, not the sprint.” (41:14, 42:14, 44:06)
  • His metaphor is “a train going 100 miles an hour,” always throwing new track down ahead—constantly generating, producing, not relying on old success. (44:06)

8. California Bureaucracy and Disaster Recovery

• Malibu fire story: Carolla describes escaping the fire, knowing instantly that reconstruction would be stymied by government red tape. (45:18-49:02)
  • Quote: “There will be no permits. You will not be rebuilding. This is not going to happen.” (45:41)
  • He critiques how California prioritizes symbolic progressive battles (e.g., on ICE, LGBT issues) over practical governance (“revel in the fact that things are terrible”) and how bureaucracy hinders actual rebuilding and problem solving. (49:27-53:19)
  • A dig at the Coastal Commission: more concerned with “microscopic fish” than actual human problems, ignoring raw sewage but hassling residents. (53:19)

9. Legacy, Intellectual Influence, and Mortality

• On the passing of public intellectuals: Rubin notes the loss or illness of Charlie Kirk, Dennis Prager, and Jordan Peterson. Carolla expresses hope that their footprints (now in digital form) will inspire a next generation.
  • “I hope that those people sufficiently inspired enough people to replace them, essentially, which is going to happen anyway.” (55:08)
  • Digital legacy is a new positive, compared to previous historical figures. (56:30)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On political safetyism:
  • “Under the rubric of safety, I'm going to control your life 100%... I'm going to tell you everything you can do and can't do. But it's not because I want control over you. It's because I'm worried about your safety and the safety of others. And I get to call the shots now.” — Adam Carolla (11:41)
• On depression in modern life:
  • “Everybody was miserable, but no one was depressed.” — Adam Carolla (20:42)
• On friendships across politics:
  • “People are a package... you can always pick out a couple things you'd like to change about them. But there's a lot more good that comes with the package.” — Adam Carolla (26:33)
• On purposeful labor:
  • “You can’t be neurotic on like a construction site. There's no time for it.” — Adam Carolla (25:43)
• On dealing with loss in the public sphere:
  • “I hope that those people sufficiently inspired enough people to replace them, essentially.” — Adam Carolla (55:08)
• Comic bit — splitting a potato with a billionaire:
  • “I would have asked if they were interested in half a potato... and you'll have an extra $7.40 in your pocket when we're done.” — Adam Carolla (59:08)

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:00-06:48 — Opening on safetyism, feminine vs. masculine approaches in policy
• 08:08-11:28 — Cultural and political metaphors, body language, and public personas
• 13:15-14:54 — The virtues of blue-collar pragmatism vs. over-theorized approaches
• 16:04-18:00 — Automation, sense of touch, and loss of craft
• 20:42-21:31 — ‘Little House on the Prairie’ and misery vs. depression
• 21:56-25:43 — Mental health, “distraction” of real work, and blue-collar steadiness
• 26:33-30:35 — Navigating friendships with ideological distance
• 31:21-34:44 — Carolla’s podcast origin story and the birth of independent media
• 39:31-44:06 — Longevity in comedy and entertainment, “the train” metaphor
• 45:18-53:19 — Malibu fire, California bureaucracy, and frustrations with rebuilding
• 53:19-56:30 — Legacy, public intellectuals, and digital footprints
• 57:52-59:31 — Splitting the potato with David Sacks: blue-collar values endure

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Tone and Style

Carolla’s signature blend of irreverent humor and bracing pragmatism permeates the episode, punctuated by Rubin's affable curiosity. The banter swings between sharp social commentary and comic improvisation, maintaining an unvarnished, no-nonsense delivery that both critiques and satirizes contemporary America.

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Takeaways

• Carolla argues for the value of risk, autonomy, and hands-on work in building individual and societal resilience—warning that excessive safetyism, bureaucracy, and over-medicalization undermine these virtues.
• Despite deepening political divides, Carolla champions friendship and mutual respect, emphasizing that real relationships are built on more than ideological agreement.
• The future is uncertain for blue-collar America and independent voices in media. Yet, the episode is a call to steadiness, humor, and personal ingenuity as the antidote to cultural drift and dysfunction.

Transcript

[A]

Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom have talked much more about fighting Trump and then allying with the LGBT community and fighting ICE than they've said anything about rebuilding anything. I think Trump is one of the most destructive presidents in human beings in my lifetime. You can find some females that think like Margaret Thatcher, but there are many more males like Gavin Newsom who think like females under the rubric of safety, I'm going to control your life 100%. I've been ruminating a lot on women. Women's role, women's role in society, safety risk. Well, what's wrong with wearing a helmet when you're riding a skateboard? And you could go, nothing. But I don't think there should be a law that you have to wear a helmet while you're riding a skateboard. And then they'd go, well, let's just make a law. But at some point it's, you got to wear a helmet while you're operating a motor vehicle. The difference is going to start affecting protocols, rules and regulation and society. And if we go too hard toward the feminine, we're going to end up mostly like la, which definitely leans toward the feminine versus Florida, Texas, places like that that have a more masculine.

[B]

Are you telling me that if the future is female, it could lead to some problems?

[A]

Let me get comfortable. I'm just trying to get comfortable. All right.

[B]

Carolla.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What? You get no intro and I start an interview that way. How you doing?

[A]

I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.

[B]

We let the dog stay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wasn't sure how you would deal with that, but you seem okay with it, at least for the first time.

[A]

You know, as a dog, there's so much breadth and width in terms of the kind of life you could have. You could have a homeless guy as your owner, and he could be dragging around with lamp cord, and you guys could be sharing a McNugget you fetch from the dumpster. Or you could get affluent gay men and then. This is way better.

[B]

This is way better.

[A]

This is way better. Luck of the draw for this puppy.

[B]

Can I tell you a quick 30 second story? So you see this scar on his head right here?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, Clyde, I don't remember if you met our previous dog before this, but we had another dog, Emma, who looked exactly like this. She was a rescue from Hurricane Katrina from 2005. She lived to 16. Incredible life. We had to put her down a few months, like two weeks before COVID And then remember in LA when they immediately said, we're gonna kill all these Dogs at the shelters the day of the dog. So even though we didn't want a dog for a little while, because, you know, when you put a dog down, you want a little time. I ran to the local shelter on Ventura. They would not let me in because I didn't even have a mask yet. That's how early in Covid it was. And they said they were going to kill all dogs. And I pushed my way in and I grabbed him. He had a huge gash in his head, like, you know, literally bleeding, like open wound on his head. We immediately got him surgery and they had. As I pulled him out, they said, well, if you're taking him, take the papers. And they had already signed the thing to put him down. He was going to be put down at 1:00'. Clock. That was about 10:30am or something.

[A]

Well, I don't use the word hero that often. All right. But people who get free dogs, I definitely put up there. Like, you don't have to wear a cape to get a free dog. You've done enough work, enough about me.

[B]

What's going on in your life? I mentioned you right before we started. We've played a lot of clips of you lately because I think you've been hitting things on multiple levels that make sense lately, and that seems to be your forte. But what's on your mind before we get into some of that?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I do kind of sit and think about where we're at and what we're doing and why we're doing it, and then I sort of wait till it sort of bubbles to the surface a little and then I start drilling down on it. You know, somebody said to me, like, what's next? Or what are you thinking about right now? And I just blurted out gyno fascism. Because I.

[B]

It was just on the tip of your tongue.

[A]

It's on the tip of my tongue. I. I just was sort of. I've been ruminating a lot on women. Women's role, women's role in society, safety, risk, and the sort of influence of women and estrogen in our society. And I realized that's a big part of sort of the change that's going on and what we're thinking about and safety and safety Uber Alice. And then precautions. And, you know, people think it's sort of misogynist. And, you know, there are elements of that, but it's more. More pragmatic. Like Covid. The aforementioned Covid was very femininely driven. You know, I was married at the time, and my wife was COVID protocol oriented. And I was. Who gives a shit Oriented. And she was very kids oriented. And I was like, it's not gonna harm them. Cause they're 14 and they're healthy and they're. They have no comorbidities. And she was very. Watch the news affected by the news protocol as set by the city and the county. And I realized like, that, you know, Barbara Ferrer was the LA City Council pro, you know, LA Protocol coordinator. Oh, I remember. You remember her? You know, Mayor Bass or. And. Or Garcetti at the time. Yeah, mostly feminine city council. And we were, like, setting an agenda the way women would set an agenda in a situation like this. And it was happening sort of micro and macro at every home. The woman was sort of in charge of the. Take the shoes off, don't come into the house, you know, with the shoes. And, you know, I got boy, girl, twins, and my son didn't give two shits about COVID And my daughter was texting me, wanting me to take pictures because I was at the supermarket and she wanted me to take pictures of my hands in gloves pushing the cart. And I realized, okay, there's a difference. And the difference is going to start affecting protocols and rules and regulations in society. And if we go too hard toward the feminine, we're gonna end up mostly like LA and California, which definitely leans toward the feminine versus florid Texas. Places like that that have a more masculine tilt to them or just something like guns.

[B]

Are you telling me that if the future is female, as the bumper sticker says, it could lead to some problems?

[A]

A lot of problems.

[B]

That would be perfect.

[A]

Major problems. Well, look, if you can find some females that think like Margaret Thatcher, but there are many more males like Gavin Newsom, who think like females that. Hold on, let me get comfortable. It's impossible. Let me get comfortable.

[B]

It's not possible.

[A]

Let me get comfortable. I'm just trying to get comfortable. Look at him. He's getting comfortable, too. Yeah. Come here. I just wanna. I just wanna get. You're a friend. You don't mind if I get comfortable, do you, Dave?

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. You seem comfortable.

[A]

Yeah, I just wanna get comfortable. No one has done more, by the way, for the LGBT community than this guy right here. You do know that, don't you? Let me. The auditorium. Hey, up there in the Negro balcony. Can you see. Can you see how comfortable I am with the trans and LGBT plus community? Because nobody's more hospitable. Speaking of comfort. Yes, sir. Nobody's more comfortable. Yeah. Okay.

[B]

You Know, my theory on that is that he's a lizard person and you know that the lizard carries the testicles inside, which is like, can you sit like this? I know it's not a Corolla thing and I know your theory and everything.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But can't. You can sit like that and you're okay. Like, I know you don't have to sit like this.

[A]

Well, there's a difference. I sit like this. There's a couple of things.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Not only this. Newsome.

[B]

Yes, he's doing this.

[A]

Justin Trudeau.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's a two parter, though. No, it's three. They're multi layers.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

One is Trudeau does it because it exposes his colorful sock too. He goes, you got. No, that's Argy. It's not. No, you're calling it diamond. It's called Argy. Like he has a gay flag on a sock. And he does this. So not only is. It's kind of like a rich guy at a bar scratching his elbows. Rolex. See that, ladies? Like, I'll let you know. So you know you're uniquely qualified to answer this question because I have a theory.

[B]

Oh, Lord.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Theory. Newsom. Deep leg crosser. Obama started. He started with the leg. He's a pioneer of the leg. Crazy Rosa Parks of the cross with the legs. And then Justin Trudeau. And every. By the way, when they're interviewed by the guy from the New York Times doing the deep cross, too, in solidarity.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

There is one guy on the left who's very to the left who does not do the deep leg cross. Now, I'm not talking about Pritzker because he can't physically.

[B]

Well, by. At first I was thinking Federman. He doesn't do it. I'm sure. But no, you're taking.

[A]

No, but I'm saying to the left.

[B]

Really lefty.

[A]

Bananas doesn't do it.

[B]

Bananas guy that doesn't do it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I have one other hint. Who.

[A]

I mean, they're all.

[B]

They all have that thing. They all have the limp wrist.

[A]

They all have that. Okay, limp wrist to the left with a limp wrist.

[B]

He's got the limp wrist. But he doesn't do this.

[A]

Doesn't do it.

[B]

Wait, but he has. Hold on, let me try to act it out. So you've got the limp wrist, but you sit like this.

[A]

Well, he's metaphorically limp wristed. Pete Buttigieg. Pete Buttigieg does this and he doesn't do it because it's too gay. Oh, so he's trying to Back off.

[B]

Right? I know he got the beard now.

[A]

He got the beard. And he doesn't do the deep cross. Because Newsom is like, I know this is gay, but you know what I'm doing with my blonde lady friend at home?

[B]

Like, orgies in San Francisco, right?

[A]

I mean, yeah, yeah. The point is, is we know you're not gay, then you are down with the community, right? If you're running for a higher office and it may hold you back to be gay, then you grow the beard and do the regular dude cross. That's why Buttigieg doesn't do it.

[B]

Are you implying that if I had my druthers, I'd be sitting some other way? This is it. I mean, I have a beard. I'm sitting like. Like everything being equal. I play a lot of basketball, so my legs are always tight. I would sit like this if it was just me and you with no cameras and we were just shit. But, like, you don't need to stare at this.

[A]

No, no man does. But the thing that's funny, and Dr. Drew pointed this out, Trump not only doesn't do the leg cross, he does. And then he builds a diamond out of his thumb and forefinger so you can focus on his nutsack. Like, he literally calls attention to it.

[B]

That's like the gorilla, right? Like, isn't that the gorilla who's gonna sit like this? And all the other gorillas are gonna, you know, pull the stuff off his. So if it goes too female.

[A]

If it goes too female, we have a different kind of a culture. And people can go, well, what's wrong with wearing a helmet when you're riding a skateboard? And you could go, nothing. But I don't think there should be a law that you have to wear a helmet while you're riding a skateboard. And then they'd go, well, let's just make a law where you have to wear a helmet when you're riding a skateboard. Like, how could it hurt? You go like, okay, but at some point, you gotta wear a helmet while you're operating a motor vehicle. And now we're getting too far. Every building code, all the red tape, and it's all under the umbrella of safety, safety, safety, safety. Here's. Listen. Under the rubric of safety, I'm gonna control your life 100%. I'm gonna tell you everything you can do and can't do. But it's not because I want control over you. It's because I'm worried about your safety and the safety of others. And I Get to call the shots now. And. And it's more of a feminine leaning, I'd say, than male. Males are just like, hey, you want to go ride that ATV in your shorts and no helmet? Go ahead. But you're probably going to learn a lesson. And that's us, right?

[B]

Do you think most of all of your political stuff, all your political leanings, really is just born out of that, that you worked with your hands for so many years and that that pretty much set the table because you're not really ideological. You just strike me as, like, sensible. It's just that. And I mean that as a compliment, even if it sounds kind of simplistic.

[A]

There's a pragmatism, I think, that you get from working with your hands that is pretty unavoidable. And there's also a kind of a. One thing affects the other, as you know, from doing lots of remod stuff. You know, it's kind of like everything is sort of like you're putting tile in your kitchen, right? And then you go, all right, well, what height do you want the countertops? And they go, well, I'd like them at 36. Okay, so the cabinets are going to have to be 36. It's like, no, no, the countertop's three quarter stick, so it's 35 and a quarter. And then you go, okay, 35 and a quarter. No, no, the subflooring hardy backer board, that's a half inch on the bottom. You want it on top of the tile. Okay, so back off another half inch from 35 and a quarter. We're 34 and three quarter. No, no, the tile's five, eight thick, and it's going on top of the. And so when the cabinets arrive, they're the height you want them to be. But it was a whole bunch of forethought that got you to that height. And if you just said, get me 36 inch cabinets. By the time they went on everything, they'd be too high.

[B]

Do you think we're going to give up something as all this goes to pre? I mean, that just popped in my head as you were saying that. But, you know, all of these things now are going into. They're gonna basically be able to build your house in a factory, in essence, and assemble it like a LEGO set. I mean, they're already doing this in some ways. We'll talk about what's going on with Cali and Malibu and all that, but that it would take away all the love of the craft and the art and all that.

[A]

Well, it's definitely gonna outsource it.

[B]

And robots will be doing it.

[A]

Yeah. And it'll all be calculated in the factory. And there won't be. I mean, there'll be a lot less f ups. I mean, it's gonna be like driver where people are like, I don't want a robot build my. You don't? Have you seen some of the guys I've worked with? They're drunk, you know what I mean? And they don't speak English. So there are plenty of screw ups. Like they go, you know, for every 100,000 miles of driverless car driving, there's 89% less accidents. You know what I mean? So maybe you do want the robot doing all the calculations.

[B]

So you're never going to want to get. I mean, how many cars do you have? What's going on with your collection these days? Not that you're driving all those cars, but you have. You have an incredibly.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

You have 20. What do you have more Paul Newman cars than anyone.

[A]

Right. I'm gonna say I have 14 Paul Newman race cars. So I will say yes.

[B]

But the idea that, you know, 20 years from now, I really think this, it'll be this way. They will look at people who want to drive manually and be thinking, you're like a dinosaur. Like, what kind of crazy person. You're gonna be thought of as basically an alcoholic. Like, oh my God, grandpa still drives. He's a crazy bastard. Because everyone else will have been for sort of for the protection reasons that you laid out before.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, there's something obviously very visceral about putting a car. There's just something about tacking up a race car past 7,000 rpm and then grabbing the next gear and going through that process. That there's just something tactile and visceral that I don't think I'll ever get tired of. But people who never experience it, that will never know what it is, so they might not long for it or miss it. You know, I enjoy it. I think there's always going to be that. I think. I think that'll be. That'll be fine. And yes, the next generation or the last generation doesn't know how to drive.

[B]

But even just. Even just driving so that your mind can wander instead of just sitting in a robotic car where then you're going to stare at your phone. I mean, even that alone, well.

[A]

Well, I don't think innovation is fine and it'll work for some and not for others. And there'll be jobs where people get outsourced and replaced and other jobs that you can't. That's why I sort of like the blue collar world. I don't see robots replacing plumbers, electricians or tile setters or something. It just seems so off in the future. Like, I could see them replacing accountants and many, many other sort of mid level jobs, but I couldn't see them doing the kind of work like, what robot could lay hardwood flooring in this house? Or it would take a while.

[B]

Yeah, but they could do it. Maybe not the exact robots we've got right now, but you give it another couple of years, they'll do it. I think what'll ultimately happen is that the super elite will have real people doing it and that will be a marker of. Of elitism, basically. Oh, humans did the marbling on your wall.

[A]

Not right.

[B]

Not just the factory set kind of robot. Did the money change you at all? I've only known you since you were Adam Carolla, but, oh, you know, because you're a blue collar guy, you obviously that's like your identifier, but like, you're also a guy that just has 24 cars and doing all right.

[A]

No, I mean, I don't, I don't think I'm any different than I ever really was. I wanted to do things. I wanted to race cars, you know, So I was able to buy cars and race cars and I don't think I'm a prima donna or out of touch. We gotta have the dog killed by the way it keeps making noise.

[B]

Yeah, it's a lot of noise.

[A]

We have the dog killed.

[B]

That would be your one. It's funny, most of these big stars like you came with a long run.

[A]

Okay. If he was dead, this wouldn't be. Oh, is that how we do it?

[B]

Most people want like, yeah, chop chop.

[A]

Let'S get the dog killed.

[B]

Yeah, Diet Coke in a special glass and all. You didn't want any of that.

[A]

You just wanted, I want the dog killed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was Clyde supposed to be put down anyway, so let's just finish the job.

[B]

You had a good run, man.

[A]

It was a good run. I, you know, look, I, I have old habits. Like, I would never. I don't order room service.

[B]

Don't really kill the dog. They'll listen. These guys are good.

[A]

I would never get anything out of the mini bar. And it's like, why not? It's like it's $11 for a vodka. I'm not gonna do that. You know, it's like why not? Because it's just a weird old habit. I like doing stuff for myself. Not really for financial reasons, just. Cause I'm a strong believer in keeping sane by, like, washing your own car. Like, tasks, mundane, kind of basic boring, should outsource sort of tasks and just sort of doing them. Just. Just to kind of keep your head. Right. Yeah, so. But I was always. Yeah, I was always poor and like, generally decent temperament, you know, and then I was rich and I was sort of the same.

[B]

I think we played a clip of yours. You did an event. Was it a free pressing event, I guess, with Bari Weiss? And you said. You said a couple things that we've played over the last few weeks, but one that I loved was if you basically said, if you go back and watch Little House on the Prairie, everybody. What was it? Everybody was. I want to get it fully right. Everybody was.

[A]

Everybody was miserable, but no one was depressed.

[B]

Yes, Yes.

[A]

I thought I ordered a hit on this. All right, Clyde out. Is this a different dog or are you not listening?

[B]

Go, go, go. No chance he's gonna listen. All right, at some point, we'll see what happens.

[A]

Yeah, you know what the number one response to that was? I got a lot of people going. You know that was a TV show, don't you? Well, yeah, I watched it on my TV. The camera hadn't been invented in 1841. So, yeah, at the end of my.

[B]

Show that day when we played the clip, I said to the guys, for the outro of the show today, let's play the Little House on the Prairie. You know the intro. And in the intro, you know, the.

[A]

Little girl, she falls down the hill.

[B]

She broke her leg and died. That was. Well, they didn't have the medical.

[A]

Well, she didn't die. They put her down. That's right. He knows she's.

[B]

That notion. I just thought you hit on some. Oh, because then the next thing you said after that was a physical problem becomes a spiritual problem. And I think that gets to a lot of what's going on right now in our culture that there is a problem with. As you talked about people being in cubicles and so disconnected from reality, stuck on phones, then they. So it's a physical problem first before it becomes the religious or philosophical problem.

[A]

Yeah, you know, it was weird. I'd. Early. Very early on in. Even in radio, you know what kids were calling up Loveline and they were talking about being on serotonin reuptake inhibitors. And it was just about the later 90s, mid-90s, where everyone was just Starting to get on all the Prozac and the Wellbutrin and stuff. And I remember just going, why don't you listen to classical music and take a hike? And everyone's like, what? No, they need to have a chemical imbalance. I'd go, I bet if you listen to classical music and just start hiking, a lot of this stuff would go away. Anxiety, whatever you're having, I bet it would smooth it out. And everyone kind of was telling me I was nuts. And then 25 years later, a study came out said hiking and classical music turns out to be better than serotonin reuptake inhibitors. And so I was always kind of instinctually thinking I was kind of breaking it down. I was like, well, is anyone ever depressed when they're being chased by a bear? And I go, well, no, because all you're doing is thinking about getting away from the bear. And I was like, well then what about when you're struggling, like working and trying to like, what if you're trapped on an island and you had to build a shelter or something? Would you be depressed? It's like, no, you would never be depressed in that, right? You don't have time for it. It's kind of a luxury, right? Anxiety is kind of a luxury too. And I think for me, the reason I got the lesson is because I had toggled between the blue collar world of building and remods and real like pretty hardcore blue collary stuff. Welding, fabricating, woodworking, stuff like that. And then the sort of heady stuff of being in a writer's room. Hollywood ideas. This guy's got his degree from brown and he's got a funny idea and sitting around. So it's like I would, I don't think many people would go from a late night show's writer's room with a bunch of, you know, educated white collar, Ivy League guys and then to a job site with a bunch of, you know, ninth grade education, didn't speak English. Half of them, you know, real blue collar, real like hardcore blue collar guys. I was going back and forth like all every day. And I just started noticing that the blue collar guys were a lot more even. Like first off, they didn't have stomach things, you know, they didn't have things they couldn't eat. Cause you know, I would always go like, I'll go on a lunch run. And they'd go, thanks fa. And I just leave. They didn't go, hold on, I have a gluten issue. Where are you going? I don't do Chipotle, if that's what you're think. I would just leave and I'd either come back with Taco Bell or in n out or it does. It didn't matter. I just come back and go, yeah. You know, they go, thanks, Chef. And they just. They didn't go, what's in this for? They just ate whatever it is. There were no problems, no issues. And then Covid came around and there were all. They're just working. No one talked about it. No one wore a mask, no one wore gloves. We just talk about the project. And then I'd get back with the white collar world and they're all wringing their hands, worried about distancing and thinking, I think I have a cough. I wonder what that means. And I started realizing that the hands on, tactile world that they lived in was giving them some peace and some distraction and some sanity as well. And that's when I kind of. I'd always kind of known that the blue collar dudes were a little more even up in their head. No one was neurotic. You can't be neurotic on like a construction site. Yeah, there's no time for it. Right?

[B]

So, you know, I have to ask you this then. When some of your former colleagues that are in late night television have gone, let's say a little off the deep end with some of this stuff and become super wealthy and kind of giving the machine what it wants. And I don't know if you saw Bill Maher on Club Random a week or two ago, said he's now having his friendship with Kimmel, struggling a little bit because Kimmel's wife doesn't want all these people around. Blah, blah, blah. You and Kimmel, obviously the man show together the most politically incorrect show maybe in the history of television. Blackface was probably the least of it that he did back then. How do you manage that? There's a public part to it. There's a private part to it.

[A]

Well, I'll quote the great Dennis Prager and that people are a package. And I think people. I think about that a lot in that I think about people. Where I go, I like this, I like that. I don't like this. And I wonder if there's a way to change that thing. I don't like, but. But people are a package. It is sort of who they are. And you can always pick out a couple things you'd like to change about them. But there's oftentimes a lot more good that comes with the package as well. And so you can't discount the good part. And I don't know, it was just, it was like two years. Two years. It was like two days ago. Jimmy just text me a picture out of the blue. And it's a picture of him and Sarah Silverman. And one of them has my daughter and the other has my son. And they're like, must be a year and a half old. And they're like holding them both over their head. I haven't even seen the picture. It's a beautiful picture. And he just like sent it to me, like, thinking of you. And he really has like so many lovely qualities. And yeah, I disagree with them about COVID or Trump or whatever, but this is a newer phenomenon where you must take a stand against these people. It's newer. I never grew up that way. It wasn't an issue in the past. And for me, I don't think it's wise to have a relationship defined by politics if both parties are willing to agree to that. Now, they don't always agree. You could have your daughter who's going to the lesbian college, who comes home for Thanksgiving and will not have Thanksgiving with you, and that's going to be her decision. But if both parties basically agree that there's more good here than bad and there's no reason that this needs to be an issue, just like if you were, you know, you could be Jewish, I could be Muslim, it could be an issue. But if both parties agree it's not an issue, then why make it an issue?

[B]

And by the way, that of course I believe that and I wasn't asking you in terms of like, have a struggle session with me. I think it's interesting because I know so many people are up against this in their own life. So to me, the public people that you then are like, oh, they really think these different things. How they navigate that, I think is it's super interesting for people because everyone has nothing to do with fame or being on tv. Everyone's trying to deal with that. How do I deal with a friend who I think's gone off the deep end? But you're right, it's a two way street there.

[A]

I think also if you know somebody is a lovely person, then it's much easier to understand who they are and maintain a relationship. So if you are a common person who only knows somebody from TV or from their podcast or wherever you may consume them, then you really only know that part of them. And then the only part of that person you know is the part you disagree with. But you don't know the part.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[A]

Where they're cooking for you. You. Yeah, you know this part. You know what I mean? But I know the part. So you know the part of Jimmy where he's on his late night show doing a monologue talking about you disagree with. But I know the part where he cooks for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that evens it out a little bit. He has a smoker and a pizza oven.

[B]

I can get on. All right, so maybe that's where.

[A]

Let's not piss off the guy with the pizza oven. That's a big tactical mistake.

[B]

Maybe he could.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

A couple things. Yeah.

[A]

Is. Is the dog dead yet?

[B]

I.

[A]

Because I haven't hear. Oh, whoa.

[B]

That's for the smoker.

[A]

Oh, for the smoker. Yeah.

[B]

Not for the pizza oven. Well, actually, since you brought that up, what do you make of the world of podcasting at this point? In the world of alt media, you were kind of early in on it, and now it's everywhere. There are more podcasts than people. It's kind of nuts. It seemed to me like it was the future of news, and now it's sort of devolving, at least at the political level, with some of the craziness. What do you make of, like, the general landscape?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, when I started, people called it a pod cart and didn't, like, know what it was.

[B]

When did you start podcasting?

[A]

I started. I don't remember a lot of dates, but I think I remember this one. I started in February of 09. Yeah. Pretty early on.

[B]

Yeah, that's real early. I started around 11 when I didn't even know what a podcast was. And a guy that I was working with was like, it's something on the iPhone. And we just started recording, but that was. We didn't know what the hell we were doing.

[A]

Yeah, I got fired from radio in February 09. And. And what do you get fired for? Public exposure. Oh, I had the station manager's dog killed.

[B]

And while you were naked? While I was on Wilshire. Got it.

[A]

Well, Miracle Mile, but, you know. But yeah, they flipped the format or something, you know, and they just got rid of all the talkers and then went to a music format. And so I was let go.

[B]

I feel like you could have done that, though. You're a huge music guy. You could have. Did you ever want to do that? Like just like sit in a booth and play?

[A]

Me be a dj?

[B]

Yeah, with like some ins and outs, but where you could talk?

[A]

Well, I mean, the thing about it Was is as far as a compensation, they weren't going to pay if you're going to spin records, you know, they were going to pay you if you were syndicated and talked and, you know, got an audience for them. So what happened to me is I had a year, sorry, I had like nine months, nine and a half months or something left on my contract. So I was, was let go in 2009, February. I had till the rest of the year, till the end of the year to get paid and then my contract was going to be cut off and there'll be no more income. And I had worked in radio for a decade or more than a decade before that, so I had contracts. So I was always pretty comfortable with the concept of a contract. And I stopped working on terrestrial radio on a Friday and I started podcasting the following Sunday night. I just went right there. And there was no compensation and there was no model for advertising or financially being made whole again, really, because I was paying thousands of thousands of dollars for bandwidth at the time. So the show was popular. And so I was paying $9,000 a month on bandwidth. So what I had in February of 09 is I had three year old, two and a half year old kids, young twins, probably your kid's age, basically, maybe a little bit younger, no job and a new business that costs $9,000 a month with no income.

[B]

I'm not a mathematician.

[A]

This doesn't work right. So it seemed a little far fetched. And podcasting was never anything that anyone had monetized really before. There was a little bit like Bill Simmons was doing ESPN and he worked with ESPN and then did a podcast, but there was no independent guys just getting paid to do a podcast. But I sort of like the idea of it and I just wanted to keep up with it. So I did it. I did it every day. And what ended up happening is at the end of the year, we weren't making any money doing the podcast, but it was popular enough that the Irvine Improv, I mean, I was doing standup or whatever, but the Irvine Improv said, why don't you do the live podcast at the Irvine Improv? And it's big, it's like 500 seats. And maybe we did two shows there and we sold out the Irvine Improv and all of a sudden we got paid to do a podcast, even though there was no podcasting money. But you could take it on the road and figure out a way to get paid. And with that in mind, we're kind of like, well, we won't get paid to do the podcast. But we could sell merchandise through the podcast and we could do live shows through the podcast and we could do other ways to generate Amazon affiliations. Click through Amazon, we'll get 4 cents for every dollar you spend or whatever it was. And ancillary ways to kind of pay the bills. Doing podcasts and versus direct, you know, contracts and commercials and. And stuff like that. So that's kind of where it began. And I used to talk to guests all the time because I would have comedians immediately kind of come through and they would sit down and when they were done they'd kind of go, that's kind of cool, you know, or whatever. I go. And I don't go, you should do a podcast. And I go, I don't have, you know, have time for that or whatever. But then they all ended up. Now they're all doing a podcast. But I don't know, I'm kind of philosophical in that it's going to work for some people, it's not going to work for other people. Everything's that way. Music's that way. Yeah, every. Everything worth doing is sort of. It's going to work for this group and it's not going to work for that group. It's kind of weird that it's my longest running job, which is bizarre cause it didn't exist. But I do. I have this memory which is kind of weird, which is when I was at the Acme Comedy Theater in the early 90s, probably 90, 91. Sketch comedy, improv comedy. I was talking to our director at the theater, the guy who oversaw everything. And we were friends and like, I remember kind of I had done sketch and improv for a while with the Groundlings and then Acme and stuff, but, you know, I wasn't really getting where I wanted to go. And I said to the guy whose name was Mark Sweeney, I said, mark what. Be honest. What do you. You, what do you see for me? Like, what do you. You're out there watching. What. What are your. What's your. What's your take? And he said, you need a job where you just talked into a microphone just all day, every day, just. You just talked and no. Anything else, just you and a microphone. And I was like, that's not a job. Like that. That's where. What are you talking? Like it doesn't. You invented a job for me. Me. And he goes, that's what you should be doing, but that's not a job. And so I was kind of like, thanks. But then years later, I realized that's kind of what I ended up doing with podcasts.

[B]

Yeah. Not kind of.

[A]

It's basically what I did, literally. Yeah.

[B]

What do you think has been like the key to longevity in doing this? Because I'm sure you know plenty of people. I was discussing this with Mar once. Just the amount of, you know, you look back on like some of those 80s 90s comedy specials, HBO and the young comics comedy. It was just like a new comic every week that could have been an all star, that could have been the next Seinfeld or the next whoever. And so many of these guys that were incredibly talented disappeared. And then guys that were kind of average but worked hard made it. And there's every version of that. What do you think's been like the kind of either through line for you or what you saw in guys that didn't quite get there?

[A]

Well, I think comedy, like music and other things, fashion, architecture. There's kind of two sides to it. There's like, like who's talented, who's good, who's a good musician, who's really good and. Or who's of the moment, like who's trendy, who's hip, who's capturing this. You know, maybe Lou Vega was at the right place at the right time, you know, but you won't call him a fantastic artist or musician. He had a song and it worked.

[B]

Who is he?

[A]

Mambo number five.

[B]

That's definitely a one hit wonder, right? It's got to be, right?

[A]

But, but, but in 1997 and a half, he was right. He was right at the right place at the right time, you know, and there's lots of those guys. And then there is perennial all, you know, then, then there's just sort of Pete Townsend, you know, and they're like, what's. Or Danny Elfman. Okay, what's Danny Elfman do? Well, he was. And he did weird pop music and new wave music or whatever. And now he does scores for every movie. Right, right. Okay. So he's a musician, he's an artist, and Lou Vega is a right time, right place. And there's sort of comedians that are like, right time, right place. And then there's Albert Brooks, you know, they're just there, they're writing a book, they're doing a screenplay, they're making another. Whatever, whatever. Whatever that thing is. And you know, I think if you can be kind of a, you know, you want to be a Danny Elfman or Albert Brooks, you know what I mean? Because those guys have done all, you know, it's not like. Well, they've. You know, Albert Brooks has done stand up, but he's written books, but he's made movies, but he's done everything. You know what I mean?

[B]

He quite literally has done everything you can do in Entertainment.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Over 50 years at this point.

[A]

Because he's funny. Like, his core is funny. And Danny Elfman is a musician at his core. And Lubega is more of a suit and a look, you know what I mean?

[B]

And we're gonna have to put a picture of him up because I can't. I can't even picture the guy right now.

[A]

Oh, come on. Yeah, yeah. Where is he?

[B]

They'll do it in B roll.

[A]

Where is something? And why is that dog? Show him. You gotta. You gotta show Dave Lube.

[B]

They're gonna turn the computer around. Oh, yeah, he's. Well, he's got star written all over him. He's like a thin.

[A]

You gotta find a thin pitbull or something. You can't yell pitbull and not expect.

[B]

All right, so no, no, he's not a pit bull.

[A]

Otherwise, neighbors, whatever you want. So for me, I'm like, well, I'd like to fancy myself more of an Albert Brooks than this sort of flash in the, you know, right time, right place. Now the right time, right place. You know, that's a boy band. I mean, that's gonna be bigger. Albert Brooks will never have as big a year as the Backstreet Boys biggest year, but he'll have 50 years and they'll have four years or whatever, however the math works out. What I'm saying is, is the boy band thing is great, but that's lightning in a bottle, and it's hard to do versus the kind of marathon versus the sprint. And I've also thought to myself, like, my metaphor in show business is you just have to be a train that's going 100 miles an hour, and you have to throw track in front of that train. That track's not there. You have to get in front and throw it out there. You have to have projects that are gonna happen in six months, in four months, in a year from now, that kind of thing. But for me, my thing is a little sense of what have you done for me lately? I wake up every day and kind of like, all right, let's do something. Let's get it going. Let's got to produce a little. I never sort of get up and go, well, you've done all these things. You should relax a little bit. I have a very. What's Next mentality. Also, I have a kind of a like, well, you're funny, so you should be able to write a book and you should be able to do standup or you should be able to create an animated series or make a doc or something. I have a kind of like, you're funny, so you should be able to push that whatever direction.

[B]

You're pretty much always doing something. You don't strike me as much of like a vacation guy. Really. I can't really picture.

[A]

No, no, I'm like project oriented, but I don't think of myself as ambitious. Just sort of.

[B]

Just enough.

[A]

Just move. I move. I like to move.

[B]

So you're not gonna try single handedly to rebuild Malibu? Because I know you guys got problems over there. I mean, you called it with maybe even before me. I mean, you lived in Cali before me, so you were already frustrated with Newsom. We've played that clip of Newsom on your show. It's gotta be 12 years ago. And you just laid into him about his ridiculous theories on racism and all that. But now having seen and lived, your house was not destroyed, right? No, but to be around all that.

[A]

And speaking of destroying doing on this earth. Come on, into the smoker. Oh, wow, the. All right, so, okay, couple things. I knew you don't mind if I.

[B]

Bring out a couple gerbils now, do you? That'd be weird.

[A]

Let's go, let's go.

[B]

Let's see.

[A]

Okay. All right.

[B]

We've lost this battle.

[A]

All right. We I is fine.

[B]

Florida, Florida, Cali, the fires go okay.

[A]

I knew the rebuild was not going to be anytime soon. So what happened with me is I was forced to evacuate my place in Malibu, which did not burn down, but literally everything around it burned down. It was just insane luck. So I was forced to relocate like two in the morning or something. Something late, you know, crazy wind blowing, fire engines everywhere, got out, drove to like a Holiday Inn in Burbank, California, checked in. The winds were blowing so hard that the power lines all blew over in Glendale too. And my studio had no power. So I was in my hotel room literally while the fires were still going on, just six hours after they started. Just looking at the news, trying to see if I could spot where our house was. And I was told there was no power on at the studio. So now I'm in this hotel room in Burbank and it's sort of like, well, maybe we'll just run a best of or something people understand cause of the fires and everything. And I said, well, you know, why don't we just sort of set up a camera right here, you know, move the chair and then pull the table over in the Burbank Holiday Inn and just put the camera there. And I'll just go solo and I'll just do like a little 5, 10 minute update. I'm still alive. We don't have a show today. The power's out. Of course it was 45 minutes of me screaming about the government turned into. But it was six hours after the fire. It's like, there will be no permits. You will not be rebuilding. This is not going to happen. The Coastal Commission is going get involved. You will find out firsthand what it's like to try to build, and you're going to find out right now. And I just said all that and it got a little viral and I don't know why, but I was like, I've known this my whole. I work construction, I'm aware of this. I've dealt with the city, I've dealt with plan check permits, I've dealt van eyes downtown la. I've dealt with all of it. So this is not going to happen. And I do realize that I talk to so many, like lay people, you know, in la, and they'll say stuff like, oh, I want to put a bedroom up on the second floor, like a master suite. And I'll go, good luck. And they'll go, what's the problem? And I go, what's the problem? I go, I'm just going to do it. No, you're not going to do it. And they go, well, then I'll get a permit and do it. I'll go, maybe you'll get a permit. I don't know if you're getting a permit. They'll go, why not? And I'll go, oh, you've never dealt with this bureaucracy. So I knew it was happening and going to happen. And lo and behold, as we're coming up on one year, I mean, we are weeks away from one year down pch, the only thing that has gone up is graffiti. Because in la, if you stood still long enough in la, you would end up getting tagged anything. But it takes a while. Like, if you're in Bellflower and you put up a new garage door door, it's getting tagged that night. But Malibu takes a while, but it's still sedentary. There's nothing going on. It's all the block walls and that's all that's left in between all the ones that burned down as a block divider. Wall. They're all tagged now, so.

[B]

Okay. You knew it was coming. You know the track record of this guy. Most of Cali knows it. He keeps winning. But putting him aside for a second, wouldn't you think that they would be doing everything possible to kind of disprove what everyone now says about Cali and go ahead and do something in the last year? Or is it just. It's just that the machinery is that corroded and. And stuck and rotten or whatever you want to call it.

[A]

You know, I'd say it's atrophied, but that would suggest there was an athlete there at some point. You know, there's never been an athlete there to atrophy.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, they just don't do that.

[B]

Well, maybe 60s, that area.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

They were building all kinds of crazy things. You drive. What is it, Topanga? There was a lot of cool, funky stuff going all the time.

[A]

No, I mean, we have a Golden Gate Bridge. I don't know how you would the Golden Gate Bridge get built today? It couldn't get built today, but it's also. There's a lot of process people that want to talk about everything. Trump is interesting because Trump's a commercial builder, and commercial builders are always in a hurry. So building is like, where's my foundation guy? Where's my soils guy? Like, everything is sort of hurry, hurry, hurry. Or like, why aren't we pouring the foundation? The soils report hasn't come back. Will somebody get that soils report so we can pour? You know? And then where's the framer? Where's my steel, guys? Where's my glazers? Where's my glass, guys? You know, just keeps going till you get the flooring and drywall, and it's like, hurry, hurry, hurry. And then you get Karen back. Bass, who's like, well, I like to hang out in either Cuba or Ghana and dance. You know what I mean? And it's like, hurry. So they're doing that presser after the fire, and Trump's like, let's go. Let's go. And Karen Bass like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow it down. Safety. But safely. She says it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He goes, clear that. Clear those lots. And she's. But safely. Safely means bring it down, down. We got to get a report. We need environmental report, an impact report. We need source report. Slow down. Slow down. So that's their world. So they're in their world. They're just kind of. They don't want rebuilding, and they're not uncomfortable by it, which, you Kind of wish they were like, come on, let's go. I don't know what they have to prove. It doesn't seem like their constituents. Constituencies that interested in that either, for some reason.

[B]

Right. It's like they revel in the fact that things are terrible. You know, when I was running all my illegal Covid parties that you were coming to, all everyone was talking about was basically complaining about how things were. But then everyone, all my crew, except for you, pretty much everyone got the hell out of there. Cause we couldn't take the complaining anymore. But there's a certain set of people that like being in it and like the slow descent to hell.

[A]

They have, like. Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom have talked much more about fighting Trump and then allying with the LGBT community and fighting ICE than they've said anything about rebuilding anything. It's not even if Karen Bass gives a presser. It's something about fighting ice. It has nothing to do with. With expediting permits or anything like that. So she's not in. She's not interested. I don't know what. Gavin Newsom wants to be president. He's not interested. And best I can tell, neither one of them are interested, which is, you know.

[B]

Wait, you don't think Newsom's interested?

[A]

No, he's interested in running for president. He's not interested in rebuilding the Palisades or whatever. Yeah. So there's nothing. There's nothing going on. There's a couple of places being framed in the Palisades. There's nothing in Malibu, because once you get too close to the coast, you get the Coastal Commission, and the Coastal Commission says, well, those smells no to everything.

[B]

You just don't care.

[A]

The delta smell, microscopic fish. The milk thistle plant that we can't have run over by the bulldozers to clear the forest so it doesn't burn in the ground. Yeah.

[B]

Here's.

[A]

Here is how the Coastal Commission works. They will by no means let you rebuild on the coast because you could upset the water table. But every day, 200,000 tons of raw sewage floats in from Mexico over to San Diego of untreated wastewater, and they have nothing to say about it. They have nothing to say about it. If Mel Gibson tries to rebuild, they got a lot to say about it. If. If raw sewage floats in from Tijuana in. Into San Diego. No thoughts on that. That's who they are.

[B]

Let me. Let's end on a little of the spiritual side, because we've done the physical side, and I told you how much I love that, that line of yours. You mentioned Dennis Prager before, who's a very, very good friend of both of ours and, you know, he's, he's basically a quadriplegic at the moment. He can, he can move a little bit above here and his mind is okay. And he's speaking again. And I've been thinking a lot for the last three or four months, really, post Charlie's death. Charlie Kirk is gone. Dennis Prager is at least largely out of public life for now, and who knows where his future will hold. Another one of our friends, Jordan Peterson, is quite ill at the moment. Like, we've lost three, at least temporarily, massive intellectual heavyweights, but also cultural warriors, people that have been on the front lines of everything that you and I care about. What do you make of that? Even though I know you're not like a deeply spiritual guy in that sense, but what do you make of that sort of thing?

[A]

Well, first, I worry if something happens to Maxine Waters.

[B]

The Big four. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, what are my kids gonna grow up to? You know what I mean? Your kids, without that kind of wisdom.

[B]

I know, I know. Without that old catcher's mitt to look at with the league.

[A]

I, you know, I, I, I hope that those people sufficiently inspired enough people to replace them, essentially, which is going to happen anyway. You know, Thomas Soul's not going for another 50 years. You know, they're going to have to be replaced. I think their legacy is hopefully influencing enough people to take their place as they slough off and as we all get older and eventually end up somewhere other than here. So I'm hoping there's that. I like that. I like comedy and I like building, but also I like that sort of philosophical thing as well. And maybe if I end up doing a little more of that, as you get older, you get maybe less into bits and jokes and hijinks and prank calls and a little more into something that's a little more ethereal and intellectual or something like that. So I'd be happy, I'm pleased that you hear my little House on the Prairie analogy and vibe with it a little bit. It, so, but yeah, I mean, I, you know, whether it's a Prager or Peterson or Charlie Kirk or David or sorry, Soul. Yeah, those guys don't come along that often, you know, I mean, I don't know how they would, you know, so we're going to have to listen to them while they're here. But also, I think, different than Plato and Socrates, we have a lot of high definitions 4K images of them sitting down. You know, you could. You know, Charlie Kirk was young, but you can watch hours of him in his philosophy if you'd like. Whereas historically you didn't have that. You could listen to hours and hours of Prager and others. So I think that's good. You know, that's a good. Leaving that digital footprint is positive.

[B]

If we smoke the dog now after the show, do we have to split the potato? Yeah.

[A]

Well, you asked me if I've changed since I got rich. Who's I sitting there? Sacks.

[B]

David Sacks.

[A]

David Sacks.

[B]

Tell the story. End with this story. Because actually, this story on multiple levels, to me sums up Adam Crane.

[A]

Well, you were paying for dinner.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And as much as I appreciate that, I do not feel like it's my job to pad the bill now, albeit a potato is a lower end item, even at an expensive place. And I did order seven martinis and three orders of caviar, so I will take credit for that.

[B]

The third order of caviar and then you just threw it at the waiter.

[A]

I threw it at the waiter because he was eyeballing me. He was eyeballing me.

[B]

Me.

[A]

You didn't see him. Your back was turned. He was giving me a look. All right, So I ordered. I ordered a seafood tower and then I flew a plane into it. That's so. I know. Look, a steakhouse potato is the size of Australian rules rugby ball. I don't know where they get their potatoes, but they're always as big as a clown shoe. Right? And so. So I wanted a baked potato, but I did not want the whole baked potato. So I asked the person next to me if they were interested in half a baked potato. And that person could have been David Sachs or it could have been a homeless person. I would have asked if they were interested in half a potato. And they said yes, they were interested in half a potato. And I said, good, I got a roller skate. You got a key. This is going to work nicely. And you'll have an extra $7.40 in your pocket when we're done.

[B]

So you split the potato with the billionaire. And it didn't. I don't think I even realized this till just now. That was actually the last time I saw Dennis before.

[A]

Oh, before Dennis. Oh, before the accident. Yeah. Yeah. It was a great evening. And. Yeah. And I'd do it again.

[B]

Adam, the potato is on. On.

[A]

Thank you, my friend.

[B]

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