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The other bodies that it affects is the media. So, you know, media takes money from big pharma, from big tech, from government, and it is a huge machine, really, that is arrayed against the individual. And it makes it incredibly hard to fight. You know, we are trying to fight it and it's impossible almost to know where to start. But ultimately you have to start somewhere and you have to hope that what is happening in the US will have an impact. I mean, we're in a very interesting position now because it's almost like an. At least some elements of press in the uk, they don't know what to do because they can no longer maintain the lie. Like the truth has got out and the public are not stupid. The public know the truth. And the more the media refuse to even acknowledge that there is another narrative. And actually that narrative is blessed with truth and authenticity in the way that the COVID narrative was not. You know, what do you do about that?
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All right, so this is a conference, obviously about human flourishing and freedom and individual rights and all that. You have been talking about COVID and how it affected this country for quite some time. We sort of left Covid behind. We don't talk about it anymore. There was never a mea culpa. There was never a real postmortem on what happened. So where are you at with COVID and what we should be looking back at and maybe reevaluating?
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I'm. I mean, I think that's such important point because the fact we don't talk about it I just find staggering. So, you know, I believe so. I'm Jewish by heritage. And honestly, I think what happened during COVID went beyond any reasonable way a democracy should function. I mean, I query whether the uk, the US for that period, could even call themselves democracies. When you see what happened in terms of, you know, the denial of rights, the censorship, the coercion. So to think that we've moved on from that, that was done. That was yesterday. And here we are again in, you know, these healthy, functioning democracies, I just think is a complete fallacy. So we set up, so I'm the founder of a group called Us for Them. We set up right at the beginning of the pandemic to try and force schools to open in the UK and what had been a single issue campaign around school openings very quickly became a campaign for human flourishing, for freedom, for a way of life, you know, for kids. But then, to be honest, just as much for adults. And we won't stop talking about what happened because I firmly believe that until we have a proper truth and reconciliation exercise, we're not going to be able to move on. And, you know, we're looking across the pond to you guys now with envy because we don't have that change of leadership here. We are still mired in the dark days of, you know, an authority authoritarian mindset, really, which started in the pandemic and hasn't really stopped since.
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B
So you're looking at us and basically hoping that Bobby Kennedy at HHS is really able to uncover some of the corruption and how did. Why did we force these MRNA vaccines through and everything else.
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Yeah, absolutely. And, I mean, the pandemic response was riddled with conflicts and many of those have not been been given any public airing. So one of the projects we're working on now is a project to unearth and expose some of the conflicts. And I think I'm quite versed in this. I'm a lawyer by training and I think I'm quite versed in this, particularly after being completely immersed in it for five years. And we discovered just a few months ago another batch of undisclosed conflicts, of running into the tunes of the hundreds of millions of pounds. This is the uk, but people on key government committees in the UK who hadn't thought fit to declare these conflicts. And the whole thing is just so incredibly murky and still is here.
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B
Are you worried that even if we uncover some of the corruption, which some of it already is being uncovered, even before Bobby has really taken over, that it's across every vertical of society? Right. So there's the education layer, there's obviously the pharmaceutical layer, there's. Well, people got fired that were in private businesses too. Like, there's just so many things that. That sort of is the insurmountable problem that to, like, point to something and say, this is how we have to fix it is almost impossible.
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A
It is. And I think, particularly given, of course, the other bodies that it affects is the media. So, you know, media takes money from big pharma, from big tech, from government, and it is a huge machine, really, that is arrayed against the individual and it makes it incredibly hard to fight. You know, we are trying to fight it and it's. It's all impossible almost to. To know where to start. But ultimately you have to start somewhere and you have to hope that what is happening in the US will have an impact. I mean, we're in a very interesting position now because it's almost like in at least some elements of press in the uk, they don't know what to do because they can no longer maintain the lie. Like the truth has got out and the public are not stupid. The public know the trut. And the more the media refused to even acknowledge that there is another narrative. And actually that narrative is blessed with truth and authenticity in the way that the COVID narrative was not. You know, what do you do about that?
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B
Is part of the problem here also that people just don't want to think about COVID anymore. So as horrible as some of the things that the government did and the media did, and whatever anyone lived through personally or had to not go to grandma's funeral or get kicked out of a job, whatever all that might be, people just don't want to think about that anymore. It was so much part of our lives for three years that they don't want to look back, even if it is to fix it.
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A
I think absolutely. And it needs a rebrand really, doesn't it? And I think we need to stop using the term Covid because it was never really about COVID It was about freedom, it was about democracy, it was about childhood and the denial of all those things. And I think the other huge elephant in the room is that here as in the us, many people were duped at some points when you know, whether that's because you were a parent that went along with school closures. I mean, I put my then 6 year old in front of a screen for 6 hours a day to the point that she would be coming out of homeschooling, you know, remote learning, saying, mum, my eyes hurt, my eyes hurt. So, you know, like I did that. Obviously the vaccine is a whole other layer of. I think we have millions of people who either have taken it themselves and feel maybe concerned but don't want to acknowledge that, or who have seen friends and family who believe they may have been injured by it. And there's this kind of a murder of silence, isn't there? No one really wants to acknowledge the very serious and huge nature of the lies.
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B
Tremphyaradio.Com One of my theories was the reason that they were going so hard on getting kids vaxxed, even though there was no evidence that kids needed vaccines, is that it was the pressure that it would then put on the parent. That if you were a parent and you got your kid vaxxed, you could never look back and say, boy, it's on me. If now my kid has myocarditis or some other neurological disease or whatever it might be, that's a bridge too far for a parent to have to really think about it is.
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It is. And to have to acknowledge that you did that and that you may have not had all the evidence, you may have, you know, actively shunned some of the evidence because people just didn't want to hear, did they? So, you know, how you get over that is hard. But I think we are, you know, I am very hopeful that Bobby and Jay, we were very lucky to work quite closely at one point with Jay during the campaign. Yeah. And you just have to hope that this will start filtering here. But, you know, I struggle to see how that's going to happen within the current administration here because they are so, you know, so opposed to, it seems, some of those values of freedom and free speech.
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B
You know, one of the things that I'm most proud of over these years, because I did not go crazy with COVID really. I mean, I'm proud to say I'm not vaxxed and my employees are not vaxxed. And I didn't. I thought it was just insane that I could force my employees to get vaccine to work for me. It's completely psychotic. But when, when Covid started, I had Jay Bhattacharya on very early. And because he was a little more calm about everything and sober about everything, that gave me the room to do that. And the fact that he now is going to head up NIH is just absolutely incredible.
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A
It is.
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B
And it's something he could have never imagined even a year ago.
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A
No, it will make for a great Netflix. Yeah, it's fantastic. And we. So we wrote in about 2022, myself and my co founder wrote a book called the Children's Inquiry. And we interviewed Jay at some length for that and he was fantastic. And he, you know what he said? And I hope, sure he wouldn't mind me saying it because in the book, he said, you know, it was a form of child sacrifice. What happened. You know, usually we don't sacrifice children to protect adults, but with the pandemic, you know, not. You don't even have to look to the vaccines for that. School closures like that is literally what we did. We shut children's lives down for years so the adults could feel safer. I mean, you know, it's morally abhorrent. And, yeah, to see, you know, I think most people now would accept, or at least in the uk, I think the school closure argument has been one. I don't think schools will close like that again, certainly not for an illness that is not very dangerous for children themselves. But really, that is the only bit of the argument that I feel has been one. We are nowhere here with free speech. We are nowhere with the vaccines. And in fact, we have the COVID inquiry. We have a big public inquiry happening in the UK at the moment. I say at the moment. It's years, this public inquiry, and it's.
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B
And do you think anything will come out of it that will be substantive?
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A
Worse than that? It is, so far, we're about halfway through it. It is proving to be a Orwellian exercise in how one ingrains lies into the history books. So this inquiry, unbelievably, has started from the premise, which you and I know is a completely flawed premise, that the premise that the vaccines were safe and effective. So it's not looking at that. It said, you know, the vaccines were tremendously safe, tremendously effective. They were. I think at one point, the lead lawyer for the inquiry called the vaccine program the promised land. So they've started from that basis.
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B
A vaccine that's literally not a vaccine.
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A
So that would be a heresy. I mean, they have not let any witness who would say anything close to that. They have not even let testimony of those injured by the vaccines be heard directly. You know, they have acknowledged there are vaccine injuries, but it has been very gated. So it's dystopian, because you're gonna have this very expensive belts and braces public inquiry which is gonna be held out as a definitive record of truth. And it is a lie. It is founded and grounded in lies.
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B
Where do you think the COVID conversation fits within the broader sort of concept of arc? Because it hits sort of all of the important points that ARC is talking about, about individualism first, then liberty and freedom and all of those things, and building societies this way instead of this way. But it's not something that is being discussed sort of in every panel down.
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There and no, it's not. But in a way, I guess it was just a. I was going to say small example, but of course it wasn't. It was a very important example and perhaps it was the first time that to those of us who had not been politicized so, you know, I was in no way a political being. I was welcome to the party, you know, very lucky, I guess, that politics had never directly impacted my life in a way that meant I felt I had to stand up and scream. And I think it was the first time that many of us realized how fragile the concepts being discussed here this week really are. So we talk about liberty and freedom and free speech as if they are our God given right. Because for many of us that's all we have ever known or all we ever had known until 2020. And suddenly they will disappeared. And I think it has left many of us. I mean, I do not believe the UK is a democracy, at least not in the way I would have understood that term in 2018, 2019. It is not, you know, we are using democracy to fight against itself. It is, we're using democratic terms. You know, we must censor the public space to protect the public space. I mean, that makes no sense, does it? And so I think the, I think the COVID period is very relevant because it really brought the concepts being discussed here now to a wider base because so many of us were impacted.
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B
Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither. I'm definitely not the person that came up with that. Well, let's finish with this then. So as you're sitting here with Ark and as these ideas have woken up someone like you, you must be hopeful that your other countrymen are waking up too, and that even if the inquiries look corrupt and everything else that, like, what's the hopeful version of the future?
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Yeah, the hopeful version of the future is it unites people who would not have found each other, let alone been united to create a new force, whether that is a grass. You know, at grassroots, you have parents on school boards, you have this more active, you know, actually I want to know what my kid is being taught in, in her classes because I don't want her being indoctrinated with, you know, whatever it is, gender ideology or, you know, net zero ideology, like whatever it is, or a higher level, you have new political forces come together. We're seeing that a bit in the UK with the rise of, you know, reform. I hope they won't be the only party. You know, hopefully we break the two party dictat that has been very corrosive. I think of democracy in the last years, ironically.
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B
I have a bit of a cough, but can I shake your hand?
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A
I would love you to shake my hand.
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B
Thank you.