If You Want More Women to Be Conservative, Do This | Arynne Wexler

Summary

The Rubin Report: If You Want More Women to Be Conservative, Do This | Erin Wexler

Host: Dave Rubin
Guest: Erin Wexler (Non Lib Take)
Release Date: February 8, 2025
Duration: Approximately 55 minutes

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Rubin Report, host Dave Rubin sits down with Erin Wexler, also known as Non Lib Take, to explore the challenges and strategies for encouraging more women to embrace conservatism. Erin, a former tech professional turned political influencer, delves into her personal journey, the societal pressures faced by conservative women, and the broader state of the conservative movement in America.

Erin Wexler’s Background and Transition to Conservatism

Erin Wexler begins by outlining her transition from a successful career in tech to becoming a prominent conservative voice. She discusses her decision to pivot politically a year prior, motivated by a desire to change the cultural narrative and demonstrate that conservatism can thrive in urban settings.

Erin Wexler [02:02]: "I was in tech up until a year ago. Wanted to come with a different angle of being a more city conservative."

Erin emphasizes her affinity for humor as a tool to connect with a broader audience, stating that she often uses comedy to make her conservative points more relatable.

Erin Wexler [02:47]: "I use humor a lot. I like to say I'm funny for a woman, even though the bar for that is exceedingly low."

Women in Conservatism: Balancing Fact and Feeling

A central theme of the conversation is the tension between facts and feelings in political decision-making. Erin critiques the notion that women are more likely to base their votes on feelings rather than empirical data.

Erin Wexler [00:00]: "I think feelings don't care about the facts. A lot of women go off of feeling, not fact."

She argues that voter behavior is more influenced by personal experiences and societal changes—such as perceptions of inflation, immigration, and cultural shifts—than by new statistical data.

Erin Wexler [00:47]: "It wasn't those numbers. You felt it. You had kids that were going to school with furries who were in litter boxes in their bathroom."

Challenges Faced by Conservative Women

Erin shares her experiences navigating predominantly liberal environments, such as her time at Horace Mann, a prestigious prep school in New York City. She recounts how being openly conservative often led to both ridicule and unexpected support from peers who secretly shared her views.

Erin Wexler [09:35]: "We had a Jane, a freakishly tall kid, and then me as the conservative... People would always come up to me and whisper in the bathroom, 'I'm actually conservative too.'"

Erin highlights the absence of overt liberal indoctrination in her upbringing, suggesting that her conservative beliefs stemmed from personal reasoning rather than family influence.

Erin Wexler [06:51]: "My parents actually never told me what they thought. They just let me come to my own conclusions."

Social Media: A Double-Edged Sword for Conservatives

The conversation turns to the impact of social media on conservative voices. Erin describes her initial success on TikTok, where her videos quickly went viral, but also faced significant backlash and censorship from left-leaning users.

Erin Wexler [13:57]: "I started doing this end of June, early July of 2024, and the first video had 20,000 views... And then I got put in TikTok prison too many times."

She explains her transition from TikTok to Instagram in response to repeated bans and the strategic use of hashtags to maintain visibility.

Erin Wexler [14:51]: "We need to be really careful about that. We need to maintain standards as a movement."

Media Representation and Influence

Erin critiques mainstream media portrayals of conservative women, particularly referencing The View. She argues that such platforms often undermine conservative values by promoting narratives that disparage traditional roles and promote progressive ideologies.

Erin Wexler [44:21]: "Women tend to be more liberal. They don't need the facts."

Dave Rubin and Erin further discuss the portrayal of influential figures like Kanye West and Tucker Carlson, debating their roles in shaping the conservative movement and the potential dangers of their influence.

Erin Wexler [30:38]: "Kanye's back on Twitter... But this is so against conservative values."

Current State of the Conservative Movement

The discussion delves into internal conflicts within the conservative movement, particularly the struggle between maintaining high standards and leveraging celebrity influence. Erin expresses disappointment over figures like Tucker Carlson, who she believes are undermining the movement by promoting divisive and harmful rhetoric.

Erin Wexler [28:18]: "We need to have higher standards. We should elevate ourselves."

She also touches on the resurgence of traditional masculine energy and leadership within the movement, advocating for a balance between masculine and feminine traits to restore societal equilibrium.

Erin Wexler [20:40]: "We need to get rid of the androgynous form... we need the masculine and feminine to balance each other."

Hope and Pessimism: Looking Ahead

Erin grapples with a sense of cautious optimism mixed with pessimism about the future trajectory of conservatism in America. She reflects on the potential for political resurgence and the importance of voter behavior driven by genuine beliefs rather than fleeting sentiments.

Erin Wexler [50:02]: "We are now the fun ones, the attractive ones, the funny ones. And I think we're in for a really great time. The golden era, baby."

However, she also warns about the challenges posed by persistent liberal dominance and the difficulty of maintaining momentum without complacency.

Erin Wexler [50:50]: "We're fucked."

Conclusion

The episode concludes with a nuanced perspective on the state of conservatism, emphasizing the need for strategic engagement, maintenance of high standards, and the balance of humor and seriousness in political discourse. Erin Wexler remains steadfast in her commitment to fostering a more inclusive and courageous conservative movement, despite the evident challenges and societal pushback.

Erin Wexler [55:35]: "We are now the fun ones, the attractive ones, the funny ones. And I think we're in for a really great time. The golden era, baby."

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Notable Quotes:

• Erin Wexler [00:00]: "I think feelings don't care about the facts."
• Erin Wexler [02:02]: "A lot of people actually need someone that looks like them."
• Erin Wexler [14:09]: "These crazy leftist accounts will send their followers to report you."
• Erin Wexler [24:02]: "We need to bring back healthy doses of bullying."
• Erin Wexler [44:21]: "Women tend to be more liberal. They don't need the facts."
• Erin Wexler [55:35]: "We are now the fun ones, the attractive ones, the funny ones. And I think we're in for a really great time. The golden era, baby."

Final Thoughts

This episode of The Rubin Report provides a deep dive into the complexities of women’s roles in the conservative movement, the influence of media and social platforms, and the ongoing struggle to balance personal beliefs with societal expectations. Erin Wexler’s insights offer a thought-provoking perspective on the intersections of gender, politics, and cultural change in modern America.

Transcript

[Erin Wexler]

Well, it could be this whole idea that women tend to be more liberal. They don't need the facts. And I always. You know, Ben. Ben Shapiro's famous quote is, facts don't care about your feelings. And I said this to him in front of you. I said, I think you're wrong. I think feelings don't care about the facts. And a lot of women go off of feeling, not fact. I don't think a single person in this country voted in this election because of new facts that they discovered. I don't think anyone thought, oh, they're actually transing more kids than I knew. Or it's more widespread than I realized. Or groceries. Inflation really is that bad? Or the. There are this many illegals coming over the border. It wasn't. I don't think it was those numbers. You felt it. You had kids that were going to school with furries who were in litter boxes in their bathroom. You were going to the supermarket realizing that you could afford less or that everything cost you more. Right. Like you had, you know, illegals in your neighborhood. Things were getting more dangerous because of the border issues. People felt it.

[Dave Rubin]

All right, Aaron Wexler, AKA non lib take. I am holding my glasses in my hands, which means I'm gonna ask you very serious questions this entire time, doing this and then saying, so who is Aaron Wexler? What's going on here? For most people that are watching this, they've probably seen you on this show before. But for somebody that has no idea who you are, other than absolutely amazing hair, what's going on with this Erin Wexler chick? Why is she on the Rubin Report?

[Erin Wexler]

If they don't know me, they should know. I usually don't look this put together. The hair's never. I got a blowout for you.

[Dave Rubin]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Erin Wexler]

You know, so I. I dress my best for you. Although it's. Maybe it's making up for them.

[Dave Rubin]

I'm not totally sure what a blowout is. It's. That's. You just go to get your hair.

[Erin Wexler]

I got my hair.

[Dave Rubin]

They don't cut it. They just.

[Erin Wexler]

They just blow dry. They just put air on it and make it look nice.

[Dave Rubin]

And you can't do that at home?

[Erin Wexler]

No, I don't know how to do this. So, anyone. Usually when I'm on your show during the week, I have half wet hair. And you still, for some reason, let me back on.

[Dave Rubin]

We still put you on. Well, it's on Skype. It's not as jarring.

[Erin Wexler]

It's not as obvious. Yeah. Um, but I run the Instagram account Non Libtake, although I'm talking with people about maybe changing the handle, because I'm not a marketing expert. But I really have approached politics this last year. I was just. I was in tech up until a year ago. Wanted to come with a different angle of being a more city conservative. Not necessarily the part of the movement that I love, which is Nashville, cowboy boots, country music. That is a part of our culture, but also meeting people in this more urban culture of you could live in a condo and go to Casa Cipriani and be normal and have common sense and still vote for Trump and wear your MAGA hat in New York City. And I. I use humor a lot. I like to say I'm funny for a woman, even though the bar for that is exceedingly low.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, it's pretty. Pretty terrible. We lost Joan Rivers, and then it's been pretty much nothing since then.

[Erin Wexler]

May she rest in peace. We love Joan. And I actually. I like to say that I'm sort of a. If Joan Rivers and Ben Shapiro had a baby, that it would be me, because I.

[Dave Rubin]

And you grew up near Joan Rivers country, right in Westchester.

[Erin Wexler]

Yes. But I love Diamonds, and I have her sense of humor, and I have his politics and eyebrows. And so I say, in a nutshell, that's who I am.

[Dave Rubin]

Those are the Ben Shapiro eyebrows.

[Erin Wexler]

Whoa.

[Dave Rubin]

Wow.

[Erin Wexler]

And you can do the double.

[Dave Rubin]

The double move. Before you got into this crazy world of politics, you were in tech, you were in finance. You have a pretty good pedigree of, like, real things before you got into the wacky world of politics. Yeah, let's do that a little bit.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. So, yeah, I was a real person before being an influencer. All my friends joke that I moved from New York to Miami and became an influencer, because that's, like, the classic path now. Yeah. But I. This was the harder path, and this was the path that I decided a year ago was important. Because people forget, now that Trump's in office, everything's going so well. It feels like it was predestined, and in many ways it was. But a year ago, it didn't feel that way. A year ago, it felt very tenuous. Biden was still the nominee, and I was sitting in my tech job at a great company with great people, and I thought, am I really going to sit here, like, typing away, doing not important? It's fun, it's interesting, but it's not important stuff, or am I going to try to change the culture and show people that you can Be conservative and also take people who are already conservative and make them more courageous and show them it's okay to say these things. So I'm the person that says the thing that even a conservative is usually afraid to say. As. And I. And I was very thankful to you that last week you actually covered some of my quotes from New York magazine.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Erin Wexler]

And I don't know if we want to get into that at all, but. But I say the thing that we'll.

[Dave Rubin]

Show the COVID of the article right now, it was very scary. White people, although just out of frame. Black people.

[Erin Wexler]

Black people. Yeah. And it was all kinds of people who were there from all backgrounds. But. Yeah. So I. That's. That's how I got into this, is realizing that even though I listen to most of my podcasts, that. That I listen to are white men, but a lot of people actually need someone that looks like them. And I get this comment a lot that I look and talk the way someone who would vote for Kamala, the way a liberal would look. Because I am from New York. I did go to all these institutions that they all aspire to be a part of. I went to the Ivy League. I worked at Goldman Sachs on the trading floor. I was working in tech at these, you know, hot startups. So I'm all. They also can't call me stupid on the left because, like, I might be retarded, but I'm not stupid. And so they really can't go after me.

[Dave Rubin]

I might be gay, but I'm not stupid.

[Erin Wexler]

I might be a woman, but we'll stop there. But. But yeah, that's basically how I. How I got into.

[Dave Rubin]

So how did you not. We've discussed some of this stuff privately, and we're friends outside of this. So you said. You said to me right before we started. It's kind of funny because then we sit down and then, you know, the camera's on and it alters everything by 5%. And also we're going to talk about some things that I actually do know about you, but have to ask you anyway, but how did you not get infected by that thing? I mean, you're. Can I say.

[Erin Wexler]

You could say 31.

[Dave Rubin]

31. Right? You're 31. So your prime age to have been, you know, really hit by all of that woke crap, even though it was a little bit before we called it woke and everything. How'd you not get. Were you ever infected with.

[Erin Wexler]

No, I never was. I don't have a dark past like you, Dave. I always say that I was always conservative because I always had a brain. But I grew up in a house and, you know, I really. I just. I noticed on Bill Maher, he asked Matt Gaetz recently, he asked a lot of conservatives, and you've been on his show, and he always asks the conservatives on his show, well, are your parents conservative? And it's because we're this anthropological enigma to the left where they can't possibly imag imagine that we just thought this way on our own. Right. It had to come as like a legacy from our family that infected us. No one ever asks anyone on the left if their parents were liberal and my parents were conservative.

[Dave Rubin]

It's also an implication that somehow something's wrong with it, that it had to have been force fed to you as opposed to you coming to the conclusion.

[Erin Wexler]

Yes, but my parents actually never told me what they thought. Actually, they didn't tell me if they believed in God or what their politics were. To this day, I actually don't. I should ask my parents. Maybe you could ask if they believe in God. I know at this point we're all very openly concerned.

[Dave Rubin]

Maybe they could comment on the video. That would be fine.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah, that's. They're boomers, so, like, I can't ask them to do that. But. But they just let me come to my own conclusions and they would also. It was kind of like the Kennedys, where our dinner, our dinner table was always, you know, like great debate, where we would just take the other side to have it be very lively. And if I ever made a comment, I remember being 10 years old and saying something that I read in the newspaper, and my mom said, we'll back it up. What do you mean by that? Back it up? And they did that because I think they knew that I would logically come to the conclusion that the right was right, you know, and so they let me go through that journey on my own instead of force feeding me liberal propaganda. And so since I was sentient, I remember just thinking this was common sense.

[Dave Rubin]

So you go through some of these institutions as the conservative chick. I assume that doesn't win you a lot of friends and that world.

[Erin Wexler]

No, it was tough, but I. I realized before cancel culture was every. It was called cancel culture. And what it turned really morphed into, which was people losing their jobs and their lives being ruined. And I realized back when I was in middle school, like actual middle school, where I was dealing with really intense history teachers, I went to one of the top prep schools in the country in New York City called Horace Mann and most of our professors were PhDs from Harvard, things like that. And I remember having this one professor in particular who was so lib that I just had to go in and know every last fact about what we were talking about. And I also realized that if I was just open about being conservative, you couldn't. There was no gotcha moment because I was just already openly conservative. And so it was just kind of. It was almost. It was always a joke. It was always like, aaron's the conservative. She's the crazy conservative one. But they also actually respected me for it because I always knew what I was talking about. And actually, when this is a real story. And I wish we had social media back then. I also don't. I don't.

[Dave Rubin]

But no, no, no. At best, we didn't have back then. I don't even know what you're gonna say, but it's best we didn't.

[Erin Wexler]

I wish I had a video of this, because I was. And back then, you didn't save emails. You didn't say. I didn't. I don't have any, like, actual record of this, but I was on a diversity panel for middle schoolers when I was in the 11th grade. They had a lesbian, a kid on financial aid. Cause it was a very fancy prep school. A religiously different kid, a Jane. Freakishly tall kid. A Jane.

[Dave Rubin]

It's not easy to find a Jane in there.

[Erin Wexler]

There were actually a lot at my high school. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

Really?

[Erin Wexler]

Yes. So we had a Jane, a freakishly tall kid, and then me as the conservative. And so, you know, the lesbian goes up, and everyone's like, oh, my God, just so brave, you know, everyone's like, applauding her. And then I go up and back then we called ourselves Republicans. You know, like, we actually. It was a word you were allowed to use. Now we can't because of rhinos, I guess.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Erin Wexler]

But I went up on stage and said, I believe in limited government and individual autonomy. And everyone's like, oh, bring back the lesbian. Everyone said, bring. Bring her back on stage. Get rid of this girl. And from then on, people would always come up me. Like, I was like the underground railroad of conservatives of Horace Mann, where people would come up to me and whisper in the bathroom, like, I'm actually conservative too. And that's when I started to realize that people were aligned and they were just afraid to say it. And I just. God, wired my brain this way. It was always easier to just say what I believed than to pretend something else.

[Dave Rubin]

When did you realize that the Sort of New York City conservative. Needed to meet the kind of Nashville conservative. Because I do think that's an interesting part of this. For a lot of the, let's say, disaffected lib, the RFK Tulsi types, even the way I was years ago, there's this thing like, oh, if you start hanging out with the conservatives, next thing you know, you're like, at the rodeo. Not that there's anything wrong with the rodeo, but it's like, a leap too far for some of these people, at least overnight. And I think you sort of grasp, like, oh, you can still be in these different divergent places and kind of all come together in some sense.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. I mean, it's funny because I float between all these different worlds. So I have friends who, you know, like, I've gone hunting in Alabama and we didn't get anything, but that's a whole other story. We'll go again, but. And I've been to the rodeo now. Now that I'm in this space with friends like that, I've been to the Florida rodeo. I've been to the Florida rodeo. I want to go to, like, the Texas rodeo. I want to go to, like, a real. Like, I love going out west, but, you know, I've always liked bluegrass, not country. Like, sorry, some people might dislike me over that, but. But I just think. I think it's okay. I want to show people that you can have these ideas and you don't have to meet us in what we're calling maybe, like, our culture. Like, our culture on the right. Because I think that makes a lot of people think who would otherwise share, you know, the majority of their views would overlap with the conservative movement, the MAGA movement, whatever you want to call it. They think, well, I don't, like, I want to live in a city, and I don't want to live. You know. Am I allowed to curse on the show?

[Dave Rubin]

You can curse on the show. Have you ever seen the Ruben Dubois before?

[Erin Wexler]

Yes, I've been on a popular program. But, like, you don't have to want to, like, turn your own fucking butter at home.

[Dave Rubin]

Right.

[Erin Wexler]

To vote in this way. Right. And that's really important. And by the way, I want to have my own home. Churned butter. But I'm.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, no, it sounds great, but I'm.

[Erin Wexler]

From New York, so I'll have the nanny do it. You know, I won't actually do it.

[Dave Rubin]

I saw Joan just appear for a moment. That was a little Joan Rivers right there. So these worlds are coming together, and I Think that that represents a strong part of. Of what's going on here. So you start making content. And did you just. Were you like, all right, this is what I'm gonna do now. Like, I'm just gonna put aside. I assume you were probably making six figures and doing all right in the financial world.

[Erin Wexler]

I was doing just fine in tech. And I actually had. I had a lot of friends for my whole life. People have always said, you remind me of Ben Shapiro. And I'd be like, oh, whatever, whatever. You know, like, it was this comment I always got.

[Dave Rubin]

You're like a tall Ben Shapiro.

[Erin Wexler]

That's so mean, Ben. I'm sorry I didn't say it. It wasn't me. But, yes, it's true. No. And I just. My whole life, people have said that. And I just. I had a series of people at just at the right time last year say, you should just start posting videos. And even though there are people there, these, like, we've talked about this, these neo Nazis that are coming after me who think I'm only doing this post October 7th as some Mossad agent. Yeah, I actually started doing this end of June, early July of 2024, and I would dip my toe in on TikTok. And the first video had 20,000 views. And I thought, you know, in a world where we're dealing with, like, China number, and I don't believe anything. Like, when their GDP comes out, I'm like, they were kind of like, oh, what do we want people to feel about our GDP this time? You know, it's like, not real numbers, but in a world where everyone's living in that fake scenario. Like, I was getting 20k views and then 50k views. Three weeks in, go viral, another couple weeks in, go viral again. Our friend Ben Shapiro is reacting to my videos. So it just started, like, you know, like, just like. It went really, really fast. And then I got put in TikTok prison too many times.

[Dave Rubin]

What did you do? What was the.

[Erin Wexler]

I don't even remember.

[Dave Rubin]

Boys and girls were different.

[Erin Wexler]

It was something really benign. It wasn't even that. It was just being conservative or not being. Not. Like, my thing is I'm not liberal because there are aspects to me that aren't necessarily conservative. I call it more like patriotic even, because I'm not trying to promote a ultra conservative lifestyle. I wear athleisure out. I'm like, not like, I'm not trying to be that aesthetic, but I am politically conservative. But I was just conservative. And on TikTok, these crazy leftist accounts will Send their followers on you and just have them report you. So all, all you need is for them to report you. So that happened to me a bunch of times. I got Hardcore Shadow Band and that is when I moved over to Instagram to see if I could do anything there. So that's why there was a delay between TikTok and, and Instagram. Yeah. But I'm very thankful to my very liberal friends who said you just have to start posting online.

[Dave Rubin]

What do you think has happened to so many of the 31 year old girls who don't think the way you do? I'll ask you about the guys separately, but I think there's something because I think they're very different and specific things. What's happening to the girls? What's happening to the guys?

[Erin Wexler]

Well, I think in general I am different than most women. I don't mean to be like I'm so different. You know, I was like, we're all like, we all think we're all so special. We're all like, you know, the main character in our story. But I am, I am different than the girls I grew up with. I wasn't into the same things. I didn't like, you know, the makeup. I did like Barbie dolls and all that, but I was more, I liked math and science and I didn't like girl drama. And I, I only started doing makeup two months ago because I'm doing all these shows now. I don't even know. I didn't own eyeshadow.

[Dave Rubin]

Killing it by the way.

[Erin Wexler]

Thank you. I also did not do this either, but, but I just, I've always been interested in very different things. I was argumentative and liked politics. So that's all to say that I don't think I speak for most women in the way they think. But I'm on the outside looking in and seeing my girlfriends who think this way. And I do think generally women are more intuitive and emotional and easily swayed by things. And I think we also all grew up and there, there must a study needs to be done here, like a psychological, an anthropological type or like behavioral econ study on the effects of the daughters of women who were working and going to college through that wave of feminism. Because I think a lot about the way I was raised and the focus from our mothers was that, you know, they were supposed to be the girl bosses, but they actually were the ones that wound up having kids and working from home because they like, they were the ones with the children. A lot of them, Ivy League educated, decided to have or wherever across the country, these women were told they were supposed to have it all, realized they couldn't, had these daughters, and then they placed that pressure on us of now, no, you're actually going to be the one that has it all. And so, and the left has been very effective generally at taking over culture. And that's also why I think humor is so important, because we had decades of a chokehold on our culture from late night TV and just these ideas of pooh poohing, what it means to be a mom. And now I think we've gone too extreme. Now it's, now people, people are saying you should only want to be home with your kids.

[Dave Rubin]

Right.

[Erin Wexler]

And I think that's so for the people who want to do that, that is wonderful. It is the hardest job in the world. It is the most important job in the world. But not every woman wants to be told, you should want to sit at home with your kids doing nothing else. Like not even, not a job that pays you, but even just having something else that takes your time, whether it's helping with charity, organizing something, whatever that is. And so I think now we're kind of just reverting back to the mean a little bit. But there's still a lot of women who at this point are, if you're 31 years old and you're not 21, I think the 21 year olds are actually seeing this and taking a different path than millennials are. But the Gen Z group at this point is cognitive dissonance because you have to live with yourself to know that you've been single or lived with guys and then it didn't work out or dated the wrong. There's all this that you have to reconcile and be happy with. And it's very hard to live with yourself realizing that you made choices that, that you don't like.

[Dave Rubin]

So do you see this as like, you know, like there's like the hysterical female comedian version of this, like the Chelsea Handler, Sarah Silverman, sort of childless, entering 50s, Kathy Griffin, like they did it a certain way and now they're just kind of like angry at the world.

[Erin Wexler]

Something like that. Yeah. But they're also, they're an extreme. I think what's maybe more dangerous, like the sleeper cell female is the white liberal woman who does have a kid, who is married maybe, but she doesn't like, she doesn't, she doesn't want to be a mom or being a mom isn't championed and she wants to, she'd rather be sitting at her mid level email job Somewhere, you know, instead of being at home more. And you know, like a lot of.

[Dave Rubin]

Times I see this or transing her kid, or transing the kid, the intrinsic.

[Erin Wexler]

Right. Because she's actually in this heterosexual relationship that's like heteronormative, as they call it. Right. And but the kid, and then the kid is normal. And so they have to make something special about the whole situation. But like the number of times I've seen on TV shows recently on Netflix, it's all trash. But I, I put Netflix on sometimes to, you know, have background noise. And the woman is, is arguing with the man over whose career is more important. And that's in like every show there's always a storyline like that and you look and you one's like, the guy is a doctor who's supposed to be saving kids in Africa. And the woman is like a marketer's person and she's like, are you saying my career isn't as important? And they have this guy acting like a total cuck, soybeta loser going no, you' right. Like that your job is as important and the answer should be no, you're doing it. You're a mid level marketing manager doing something that you don't even care about. And we act as if, you know, a woman is more free when she's working for a corporation than she is for her family.

[Dave Rubin]

So since you said soy beta cuck, you know my theory about blowjob politics. Do you know my blowjob?

[Erin Wexler]

Oh, that men will do anything to get blowjobs.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah. Do you think this, we must have discussed this at some point. You think I'm right about this? Like there's just like a certain amount of men that they've been cucked, as you said, because at the end of the day they don't want to be bludgeoned with all this stuff. So they just kind of shut up because I think like they would like a once a week blowjob.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah, no, I, I completely agree with you. And also it only gets to that point because men have been bludgeoned from the day they were born in this country to be told being masculine is bad. Right. And, and that weak is strong. And so they be. They're so weak that they don't know how to lead a woman. And I do think, I think men and women lead each other in different ways. But right now we don't have that leadership from men in society. We don't have that masculine energy, you know, and so I think the whole world is sort of.

[Dave Rubin]

But you feel like we're getting it back, right? Like, I seem to be turning.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. And I. I mean, a lot of people talking about, like, Pete Hegseth coming in saying, oh, he doesn't necessarily know how to lead the Pentagon. Yeah, I think it's great that we have someone who's just an extremely attractive, masculine, like, alpha male who will inspire similar men to join our military. That, like, I actually think that image, like him on TV in charge of our military Secretary of Defense. That is a good image. Isn't that better than some nerd who knows how to run a corporation? Like, what's actually going to make our military.

[Dave Rubin]

I like a fat dude dressed up as a chick in charge of health and wellness.

[Erin Wexler]

You're right. 100%. 100%. But I think we are not. Not just that, but there's this androgynous form that we need to get rid of. Right. The. The left has tried to make like, women's hair has gotten shorter, men's hair has gotten longer. We're turning into the. And I've said this on your program before, but we're turning into this androgynous, fat nippled, pixie haircut freak form of a human in society.

[Dave Rubin]

But how do you really feel.

[Erin Wexler]

But how do I really feel about it? It's like. Yeah. And so this. That's not normal either, because we need the masculine and feminine to balance each other in the world and the world. It's not that. In a way, we're all. We're like, we're too fe. Feminine. We've lived in this gynocracy almost. Right. Like, and they're always the. The left is always crying about, you know, like, smash the patriarchy. We live in a matriarchy right now. This is. Women have. Have the world by the balls and they have had it for 20 plus years. And now we're finally just. We're just rebalancing. And we also need to. I don't know, I like, un. Androgynize the world and let people go back into their natural state.

[Dave Rubin]

How's it been? I assume losing some friends in the course of this and maybe some family members and the rest of it.

[Erin Wexler]

You'd be surprised.

[Dave Rubin]

I come from the Northeast. I know what it's like.

[Erin Wexler]

You'd be surprised. I mean, because I was always openly conservative. I didn't lose too many. But.

[Dave Rubin]

But then you start on TikTok and then.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. Then you start online and it's more the people who don't. I wasn't ever Friends with who are speaking. And I saw someone sent me a tweet and I never. I don't read the comments. I really don't care. If I did, if I cared about this, I would have like killed myself already from the comments that people rate. But I really don't care. I like to check comments once in a while to gauge if people like the content. But someone sent me a tweet, say, of someone I went to high school with apparently. And she looks exactly the way you'd think. I recognize the name. She is. She looked like a white Oompa Loompa. She's so enlarged. She's just so ballooned out. It's actually like, it's sad. I feel badly for her.

[Dave Rubin]

The nipple thing you're doing.

[Erin Wexler]

She for sure has fat nipples. There's like, no, she's, you know, like, like, she's so gross. She has like the weird chopped haircut and the nose ring and like, you could just tell I might recognize her if she were 200 pounds lighter. But it's a classic leftist. And she said something of, you know, I went to high school with this girl and she shouldn't be platformed. And, and I. But generally, no, it's been fine.

[Dave Rubin]

Do you worry that some of it feels cold sometimes? I've seen this comment. When you put things up, like you're pretty, you, you have a job, like, you wear makeup and look right. And then you're doing this stuff about the fat nippled girls and that it somehow is, is too mean or do you feel like it's like you have to be directionally in that way to wake these people up?

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. Oh, you're asking me if I think I'm too mean?

[Dave Rubin]

No. Well, not if you think you're too mean, but like, do you think there's like a risk there or something like that?

[Erin Wexler]

I think that, like, I doesn't.

[Dave Rubin]

It doesn't seem mean to me. But I could watch. I've watched some of your things going, man, if I was one of these girls. Yeah, I would think it was, you.

[Erin Wexler]

Know, so I, I don't think you're wrong and that I think there needs to be a good balance here of, you know, people generally are not.

[Dave Rubin]

I'm asking you if you're a mean girl.

[Erin Wexler]

Am I mean girl 100? But I have like, there are a few layers to this. Okay. And I'm going to try to think through this because I did not read the questions in advance. There are no questions. There are no questions in advance. Yeah, there are no questions on man. But okay, so first, I think that a lot of people need warmth, a warm embrace to come to you. Most people are not like pressured or shamed into doing something. And so I think there needs to be the levity, which is why I also, I try to use comedy because I get a lot of people saying, I don't agree with you, but that was funny, right? Like, that is funny. And that's one way to get people. I'm gonna now contradict myself and say that I think we need to bring back healthy doses of bullying because we are dealing with an entire gener, multiple generations at this point of people who were never bullied. No one ever said, when I was grow. Growing up, we were told. But it was, it was starting to change. Where you could get in trouble for making fun of someone, the kids would make fun of you at school. And it kept people in check, it kept these guardrails up of this is what is actually normal. Right. And it stopped people from being total freaks. And when someone was a freak, you could actually identify them and think they might like shoot up the school because they're not fucking normal. And that was actually a good way to figure out what was going on with people. And now everyone's normal and everything is acceptable. Except if you're a white Trump supporter. Right. But I. So I think we do need to bully, bully people a little bit. And I think it's important to show that we are now in that position of we got the popular vote. Act like it. Act like we do dominate the culture. Because the truth is we're starting to, but we don't fully. But you just need to act like we are there already and people will follow suit.

[Dave Rubin]

And I think that is happening clearly. Like the wokesters have completely lost momentum now and just seem utterly ridiculous. I've said this on the show a couple times, but when I was growing up and I'm. You're 31, geez. So I have 17 years on you, which is crazy. But when I was growing up in the 80s, like I was exactly between cool and dork. Like, I was right in the middle. And I remember one day in about seventh grade thinking I could work harder to be cooler. And I was like, but I like video games. Like at the end I was just like, but I'm gonna just play video games with my friends. And I was like, I'm in it with the dorks. So I was a high level dork or a low level cool guy, meaning I could be bullied by some people. And bully some other people. But it kind of helped shape me, so it's okay.

[Erin Wexler]

I wonder what that's like. Cause I was actually just a nerd.

[Dave Rubin]

You were just nerd.

[Erin Wexler]

I was nowhere.

[Dave Rubin]

Come on.

[Erin Wexler]

No. I have the confidence of a girl who went to a prep school in New York City, but the humor of someone who had braces for four years. So this doesn't come out of being cool. This drive, this sense of humor. It takes being the awkward girl who was, in fact, the president of the high school band.

[Dave Rubin]

Whoa.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. What instrument did you play? I could really. It's so the tuba.

[Dave Rubin]

Was it the tuba?

[Erin Wexler]

It was the flute. It's just. This is so embarrassing. I didn't. I know I took the conversation there, but I didn't expect to be revealing this on the show today. But, yeah, I was a total nerd. And I got way hotter when I was in college. And like, end of high school, I was a real late bloomer, which is. Which explains the. Everything about me, I think.

[Dave Rubin]

So you've been online lately hitting some of what you see on the right. That is not quite right, so to speak.

[Erin Wexler]

Yes.

[Dave Rubin]

What do you make of what's happening on the right now?

[Erin Wexler]

You're talking about the Jew hatred. Is that what you're talking about?

[Dave Rubin]

Basically, yeah. Well, you've been hitting Tucker a little bit. There's obviously. Tucker's been going after Ben and Barry Weiss and a couple other people. So there's just like some weird stuff there, which I said to you right before we sat down. I've largely tried to stay out of. Cause I'm just kind of letting, like, I'm sort of letting it sort itself. And I don't feel like I have to be in every fight all the time. I'm in a lot of fights a lot of times, so. But you've been in it. And I'm curious what your. What your take is.

[Erin Wexler]

It's funny because I. When it comes to most things in the space, I want to be out of the fray. I'm not. There are some people, and you can imagine who I'm talking about, who love picking fights with other people in the space. And that's not what I'm interested in. And especially when someone doesn't go after. Even I have people go after me personally, and I don't even respond to that. But I think it's really disappointing to see this trend. And it's something that I noticed in general on the right. That is not specific to Tucker. But we are so excited and we get so seduced on the right by celebrity, by people with large followings, that if someone has millions of followers, they're sort of automatically forgiven and welcomed. And you see this all over the place with. With the kinds of celebrities we also had involved in the campaign, right, where we look past the domestic abuse charges and we look past these different things because they're doing a rally for Trump, and. And part of it is we need to take what we can get. But part. But then. But then, even after that moment, we kind of. Everyone gets excited. They want photos with them. They want them to retweet them, whatever it is. And I think we need to be really careful about that. We need to maintain standards as a movement. And it is really surprising to, you know, like, Kanye. Kanye's back on Twitter, which. Or X, which I do agree with. I don't think he should have been kicked. I think it's right to reinstall him, even though, of course, one of his first tweets is Shalom. Pretty funny, to be honest. But I didn't even know he was back on.

[Dave Rubin]

But that tells me he's back on. Even that. Is that just in the last couple of days? I mean.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah, yeah, apparently. I don't know if he was re reinstated before and then just decided to come back or what happened, but he's. He's back on X, which, again, I agree with. But the man shows up to the Grammys with his wife completely naked, and everyone on X is just sharing these images of a naked woman, and everyone's excited because it's Kanye and. But this is so. This is so against conservative values. And so whether it's. And Tucker I decided to speak out on because it is more personal, because I do think he is stoking the flames of anti Semitism, but he's also saying things like, you know, that we were on the wrong side of World War II. He's saying things that are maybe not the wrong side, but that we were the bad guys. We were bad guys in World War II. And everyone's just giving him a pass because they all want to be on his show and they all want him to like them. And everyone. Most people just want to be liked and have their. Have their tweets go viral and that, you know, I just think that's cheap, and that's not why I'm in it.

[Dave Rubin]

So do you want to sit down with Tucker?

[Erin Wexler]

I would sit down with him, but it wouldn't be, you know, oh, I'm. I love you. I'm a huge Fan it would be. Let's talk about all these things that you are bringing up that I disagree with, that I think are very dangerous to the movement and to America. And I think are bringing like Tucker to me is part of this movement that's. That's teetering on the edge of a cliff of. Because we figured out that some things and so many things that we. That were called conspiracy theory turned out to be true. Now everything is a conspiracy theory because the government was bad about. About some things now the government was bad about everything. And it's actually possible in this world that some things are bad and some things really were just the way they were. And Tucker seems to have gone to that point where he just thinks that it's right.

[Dave Rubin]

We've been lied to about an awful lot. So he's basically throwing the baby out with the bathwater has been my take on this. Like I was watching him with Piers Morgan, you know, and he basically said that Churchill wasn't the winner of World War II.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. He didn't do enough to save Western Europe.

[Dave Rubin]

And it's like he's like, look at your country now. But it's like, dude, that was 80 years ago. They had a pretty good run for 60 something years and now they have problems because of immigration that have nothing to do with Winston Churchill. But it's just like. It's like, it seems like it's like an energy move. There's just energy in that spot.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. I think just in general in this movement. And it's not to. It's not specific to him. We need to have higher standards. We should elevate ourselves. We should expect more of ourselves. But I remember when, like, I am someone who really believes that Barack Obama is gay and that he has been with men. I believe that till my dying day. I will believe that. And I'm just.

[Dave Rubin]

What's the main reason for you believing that?

[Erin Wexler]

The main reason is Tablet magazine had a great series on this where they talked about the letters he wrote to his girlfriend at the time where he talked about fantasizing about men. That's like the evidence.

[Dave Rubin]

Right. Then there is also that guy that Tucker did interview.

[Erin Wexler]

But that's what I was going to say, which is as someone who fully believes that Barack Hussein Obama is a gay man, or at least he's open and fluid and whatever. And I believe he is. Whatever.

[Dave Rubin]

Just having a good time.

[Erin Wexler]

He's. He's. He has slept with men, he's been with men. And. And then Tucker has on this, like, homeless, toothless, weirdo And I'm thinking, I don't believe this guy. And I believe Barack Obama has been with men. So if you're trying. If are we trying? My question for Tucker is, are you trying to convince people or are you trying to get views? Because when I look at a video like that, I think I didn't even watch it because it was so weird. I didn't finish it. Cause I'm like, this is just. I turned it off and I wanted to like it.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, it's interesting you're saying that, because that's partly what I've been thinking with Tucker too, which is that it's like, okay, you were at Fox for so long, you had certain guardrails and you had to do thing in things in very small segments. And every time I ever spent time with him when I was independent and he was on Fox, he was so impressed, you know, he literally walked into my garage. Not this one, but walked into my garage in Sherman Oaks. And. And I think his exact quote was, holy fucking shit, you did it. Meaning, like, you're free and I'm not. You know what I mean? A guy's making $20 million a year and he's jealous of me. But I think sort of what's happened is he had. He had certain guardrails and you might say they were too tight. It's sort of like the conspiracy thing you just mentioned. And now he has none. So he's just like, willing to. To just question everything to the point of oblivion.

[Erin Wexler]

In essence, yeah. And we're just seeing a lot of people and we could take this more broadly in the movement. Sorry, I just moved my microphone. I don't know if that affected anything. Let me know.

[Dave Rubin]

We're gonna have to start over, guys. Can we start over real quick? Oh, I got the thumbs up. It did not.

[Erin Wexler]

We're just gonna start all over.

[Dave Rubin]

It did not affect the broadcast.

[Erin Wexler]

Continue. I'm new at this, but I shouldn't do this for a living, apparently. But we're seeing a lot of people learn history in real time and to sort of like, I guess move us along from this because it wasn't meant to be. And I don't of us want to focus too much on this, but I loved when a few months ago everything was happening in South Korea and I. I posted. Oh, wow. I didn't realize I had so many South Korean experts in my network, you know, because. Because we have. People never even studied history in college. And again, you don't have to do. You don't have to Go to college. You could do it on your own. You can read books. But most people are reading Wikipedia articles on South Korea and then jumping in because they see one person and they think that's true. And this is also how we get the spread of.

[Dave Rubin]

Right. Well, it's basically like, even if you look at what's happening right now with the tariff stuff, I keep saying on my show, I'm not an economic expert. I'm certainly not a tariff expert. I understand the basic concept of tariffs and how you use leverage, but it's like people who cannot tie their shoes suddenly can tell you everything you need to know about tariffs. And it's like, maybe that is. But that's also why the mainstream media just screwed all of us by being so terrible.

[Erin Wexler]

Yes, yes. So I. But that's why I think people need to be honest about what they know and don't know. And yeah, I don't really have any feelings. And like, there, there are so many avenues I could go down that I don't. I'd rather just stop myself there.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you. So you moved here to the free state of Florida.

[Erin Wexler]

Yes.

[Dave Rubin]

And things are pretty sweet here. Do you. You think you'll be a Floridian for life? Like, this is. This is really it.

[Erin Wexler]

I hope it's funny because I thought I was supposed to do this when I was 75. And it's been great doing it this early. I am infinitely happier. It's such a wonderful life. My dog is happier. I'll go back up to New York with my dog and I wipe his paws off that dirty New York City sidewalk.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah. With the salt.

[Erin Wexler]

It's just so dirty. It's. It's nice to not see men shitting in the street outside of a five star restaurant. You know, like, it's like, it's just nice to have normalcy. Although I will say, because I'm in Miami and I'm probably going to move a bit further north soon, but living in Miami is like living in a music video that you can't turn off. You know, it's like, it's a funny place. And I always tell people the best part about living in Miami specifically is I love how close I am to the United States of America.

[Dave Rubin]

We are the northernmost point of South America, I think, is what they say.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. So I think moving a little further north, maybe closer to Mar a Lago land, like the second White House for the next four years, will be in my future. But I can't complain about Florida. It's basically the Sixth Borough in the winter, too. So it feels like being in New York, but with guns. And that is great.

[Dave Rubin]

You go back to New York and you've done a bunch of videos. We've played them. Just like the general state of ridiculousness. Do you think that there's any hope for New York? I mean, they're getting some of the illegals off the street, so that's good.

[Erin Wexler]

I think there's always hope for things. And honestly, it's a crazy example, but I look at El Salvador from the last few years, and it would be tougher for America for many reasons, to mirror that change. We don't have benevolent dictators. We are a much larger country. We're heterogeneous. It's a very different. But their crime was so bad, and now they're one of the safest places in the world. And I. I looked at them before the election, before I knew. Before we knew that Trump would be president again. And I thought, you know what? If they can turn it around, we can turn it around. And everyone always thinks their situation is so dire, and then you come back. So I. I do have. I do think New York can come back. And I think a lot of what's happened with the popular vote is that there's social proof. People have social proof that it's okay to do. And we're seeing all these corporations are not doing dumb DEI stuff anymore. They're also getting rid of pronouns. And they could have done that two months ago, and they chose not to, but now they're suddenly allowed to. So I think New York can come back, but you're gonna have to rewire a lot. A lot of brains there.

[Dave Rubin]

You think any of the people that were in on this, you're seeing it now every day. There's people just dropping he, him, her, it, zer, like all of that stuff. Or you're right. Like they're just, like, removing. They still on Apple tv. They still have. I was. I opened up. Or was it Max, I guess. And it's now Black Month, so it's like black movies. And I just can't even imagine wanting. Yes. I so in the mood for a black movie or a white movie or a gay movie or anything else. Like, is it a good movie? How about that? Like, is that.

[Erin Wexler]

No, but no movies are good anymore. So that's your.

[Dave Rubin]

There isn't much.

[Erin Wexler]

There's no such thing as a good movie anymore. Beyonce.

[Dave Rubin]

But that should turn around too.

[Erin Wexler]

Country.

[Dave Rubin]

Did she win it? I guess.

[Erin Wexler]

I guess. And I would say. I said I Earlier today, I was talking about this with people, and I was saying, she's up on the stage with blonde hair, obviously fake. If you don't know, black women don't have hair like that. She has fake blonde hair. Winning the Country Music Album Award at the Grammys. Imagine if it were this inverted situation where it's a white girl with cornrows winning rap. I don't know. Like, can you imagine what the ladies of the View we had to talk about?

[Dave Rubin]

We had to talk about.

[Erin Wexler]

Can you imagine what the ladies of the View would be saying if that's who won? This is maga cultural appropriation. She's riding on the people that she shits on that she says are evil, that she says would send them to the Gulags. Which, by the way, it's all. You know, every accusation is obviously a confession. They were all going to do that to us. I think you would have been on the first wave, by the way. Yes, I would have been on the second wave. Just because I only started a year ago.

[Dave Rubin]

I would have softened it up over there.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah, yeah. You would have had, like, the margaritas ready when I arrived.

[Dave Rubin]

Exactly.

[Erin Wexler]

But we would have been there together very fast. We would all have, like, you know, IRS colonoscopy, like, every. We just were. We were all ready for. For that to happen. But the fact that Beyonce could win the Country Music Award tells you so many things. It just tells you how rigged it is. It's like. It's like a Russian election. It's like Putin won the Country Music Award. It's. It's just ridiculous.

[Dave Rubin]

Does it also just expose, like, how much none of them believe any of this nonsense, you know, Obama two days before doing very fine people and then showing up to inauguration smiling. It's like, none of you believe. Or Schumer at the Al Davis dinner. Like, you guys. Al Smith din. You guys don't believe any of this.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. I mean, it's almost like they operate in a. Like a Sims reality, you know, like nothing's actually real. I don't know what to make of it. I think they are the party of the most mental gymnastics that I've ever seen. These are the people who are trying to convince us that, like, to explain a trans man dating a trans woman.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Erin Wexler]

What does that look like? It's all. And that's who we're talking about. So. Yeah, of course.

[Dave Rubin]

You want to draw a picture?

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. Let's get a whiteboard. Let's do it.

[Dave Rubin]

That can be arranged. That can be arranged. So you're very hopeful. I would. It seems like that this is getting sorted.

[Erin Wexler]

It's funny you say that because I think of myself as very cynical and pessimistic in a way. But I, I am always. I guess I'm hopeful. I, I always like, you know, prepare for the worst, hope for the best. That's, that's generally my motto. It's probably the, the Jew in me, like the centuries of intergenerational trauma that makes me feel like you should always be ready for whatever's going to come. But you still have to have that faith that it's always going to get better. So it's probably from that.

[Dave Rubin]

What do we do with the, with the lefty Jews who still don't get it? Especially post October 7th?

[Erin Wexler]

I think we just have to disown them. It's really becoming. It's. It's really problematic. They give us a really bad name. Every show on Netflix that involves Jews is such a misrepresentation of Jews. And it's something that people on the right who are far right, who are anti Semitic, right. Like these neo Nazis, they look at those shows and they think that that represents Jews and that it represents the Jews on the right, which it doesn't. These Jew do not have. They don't, they don't even have self preservation in mind with the way they act. I don't know what to say about them. But if they, if you don't get it now at this point, you're just never going to get it. So I'm not hopeful there.

[Dave Rubin]

So you're definitely not hopeful there?

[Erin Wexler]

I'm definitely not hopeful there. I can't figure. It's like we're the dumbest smart people. I just can't explain this. Yeah, it's the age. It's an age old question.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, it's the difference between intelligence and smart.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. Yes. I don't really get it. It's like this over intellectualized idea of. And there are all these theories and was it Norman Put Hurritz, John Putters, which put Hertz, one of the Puthertzes wrote that book why are Jews Liberal? And they ascribe it to all kinds of things. Whether it's FDR who like Jews, which by the way he like turned around also a ship carrying Jews that went to Auschwitz. But there are all these ideas of why the fact that we were immigrants and now we feel the need to be the. Like. I don't know what it is. It feels like a mental defect in these Jews that they just like are so Liberal. And they cannot wake up to see how hated they are by their own movement that actively works against them.

[Dave Rubin]

The Nazi crew is definitely going to clip you saying that context and put that up. Congratulations.

[Erin Wexler]

I'm giving them so much.

[Dave Rubin]

Let's. Let's circle back to the ladies of the View for a moment, because I don't know what I would do without them, but they're all seemingly more hysterical, more crazy, but it's not working anymore. And now they're saying that they're gonna have to bring in some sane people.

[Erin Wexler]

Is that, oh, my God, I'd rather kill myself. Honestly, I'd rather be waterboarding. I'd rather be.

[Dave Rubin]

You wouldn't want to sit at a table between Whoopi and Anna Navarro.

[Erin Wexler]

Because there are people who are actually smart that I would enjoy a conversation with who would have very different political views than I do. And then there are the dimwits that are like, they sniff too much glue in high school ladies of the View where they're just so infinitely stupid that I think I would end up smashing my head through a wall.

[Dave Rubin]

What does that say about the difference of the mind of men and women in some ways, that if there was, there could never be a show that was five men. Let's say that the level of political discourse was so idiotic because everyone would be like, these people are complete morons. What. Where on the View, there's some other. Where it's like most people now realize that they're not that bright, that they're hypocrites, all of that stuff. But for some reason, because they're women, there's like this feeling of like, oh, let them be crazy or something like that.

[Erin Wexler]

It could be. Well, it could be this whole idea that women tend to be more liberal. They don't need the facts. And I always. You know, Ben Shapiro's famous quote is, facts don't care about your feelings. And I said this to him in front of you. I said, I think you're wrong. I think feelings don't care about the facts. And a lot of women go off of feeling, not fact. I don't think a single person in this country voted in this election because of new facts that they discovered. I don't think anyone thought, oh, they're actually transing more kids than I knew. Or it's. It's. It's more widespread than I realized. Or groceries. Their inflation really is that bad. Or the. There are this many illegals coming over the border. It wasn't. I don't think it was those Numbers, you felt it. You had kids that were going to school with furries who were sitting in litter boxes in their bathroom. You were going to the supermarket realizing that you could afford less or that everything cost you more. Right. Like you had, you know, illegals in your neighborhood. Things were getting more dangerous because of the border issues. People felt it. But that also plays into then the women of the View, right? Who are able to capture liberal women's minds. I also wonder, honestly, do we think most of their views are just hate watches and it's just all of right wing.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, right.

[Erin Wexler]

Well, that's the thing.

[Dave Rubin]

I can't even imagine, like I don't know anyone that watches the View unironically.

[Erin Wexler]

Right.

[Dave Rubin]

Like when I'm playing the clips, it's not if they said something sane. I mean, we do it every now and again. Like sometimes on cnn something sane happens and I'm like, I want you guys to see this because I'm trying to give the devil is due. But like, who's watching that? Going like feeling better about themselves after.

[Erin Wexler]

And maybe it's because we're not on this thing, maybe because we're not friends with like 60 year olds, liberal women from wherever that we don't, you know, we're in our own sort of bubble that we don't, thank God, experience that.

[Dave Rubin]

But it's Whoopi's pot dealer. Like watching that show. Like this is great.

[Erin Wexler]

I have friends who watch Bill Maher. They're left on the left and they like Bill Maher actually unironically watch him. I watch him when my friends are on. But sure, people actually watch him. Right? People actually.

[Dave Rubin]

But there's a difference.

[Erin Wexler]

But of course I'm not comparing. Yeah, but because I'll watch some of his shows and think like, I mean, I think a lot of his views are, but it's more annoying than outrageous. Right? But people actually watch these people. No one's watching the View that I know. But you know, only in doctor's offices. It's like every, every hospital like Dasani and the View just have choke holds over all these branches across the country. So that's how they get their, their viewers.

[Dave Rubin]

Oh, maybe it has something to do with the plastic in the water and then the way they watch that and then something, something, something.

[Erin Wexler]

I don't know, maybe it's like to distract you in the waiting room so you don't realize how long you've been waiting for the doctor because you're so. I remember I was sitting waiting for a doctor's Appointment. And the view was on. And I thought, great, okay. And it's when Whoopi said that Hitler wasn't going after the Jews. Remember when she said. And I'm sitting there, I'm just like, this is crazy. And then I wanted to see where this would go and what people would say to her. So when they called my name, I wanted to say, actually, do you think we could, like. Could you take the next person? So I think could have said, look.

[Dave Rubin]

I don't need to wait in that room alone for 20 minutes now, because that's what they do.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

This is becoming curb your enthusiasm.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. There's a lot of. We could. We could really lean into curb here if we want and just, like, take this in a new direction. Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

So. All right. You're a bit of a pessimist, I suppose, or something. I always say I'm world weary. That's the way I describe it. Like, I'm an optimist. Optimist, but I'm world weary. Like, I do think things can get better, but I don't think they, like, magically get better. It's something like that. But, like, all right, we got four years of this thing. It's going to be pretty good, right?

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah. It's bittersweet because I think we'll never have this much fun again. I think we're living through a truly special time. And as someone who was very skeptical of Trump in 2015, when he was running and, you know, started in 2016, I was skeptical because I'm from New York. He was a New York Democrat businessman, and I did not believe. I did not trust that he would truly be conservative. And then we got to see how he, you know, ran the country for four years, and I was so impressed. It was above and beyond what I could have expected from him. And I was. I was glad when he won, obviously, in 2016, but I just wasn't sure exactly what it would look like. And now I get emotional when I think about just everything he's doing, the way he's sacrificed his life for us, you know, like, really, like, he's put everything on the line. We did not know it would turn out this way. We didn't know it would end in this kind of amazing character arc where almost every foe is a friend, you know, like, even. Even a selfie with Megyn Kelly. If you told us in 2016 that would happen. Right. It's not totally surreal, but right after.

[Dave Rubin]

She was bleeding out of her.

[Erin Wexler]

Bleeding out of her. You know what? You know, and so. And they're in photos, and he's laughing with Letitia James at the Al Smith, Denise. And Trudeau is calling him about tariffs and Mexico sending troops to the border. And the whole world has been endeared by him now. And they get to see what we see.

[Dave Rubin]

Do you think that's the ultimate repellent to some of the things that you're worried about on the right? Because that's actually what I think more than anything else, is that if Trump just keeps getting things right, which he is getting, and there's gonna be, you know, Elon said there'll be some, you know, bumps along the way and some pain points, whatever, but if things just keep getting better, I'm not that worried about the conspir theorists and the crazy people and the obsession with the Jews or hating America or thinking our history's bad or that, you know, all of this stuff, I think it'll just be for. It'll always be for a certain set of people that want it just like chaos. But everyone else will just kind of move on and look around and be like, oh, like we have borders again. The economy's working. We're on this AI horizon. Like, things will be better. And I think people will just get on. On board that.

[Erin Wexler]

So this is where the pessimism, to me, because this is what. It's actually not totally related to all those concerns that you listed that are different concerns, but I think people have really short memories, and people voted for Trump, and we can't confuse voting for Republicans, voting for the right, voting for conservative values. That should not be confused with voting for Trump or voting against the left and against the government. And so what actually really worries me, and this is something that you could see Trump actually trying to figure out with his legacy and setting us up. It's not just about Trump right now and his victories. In this moment, he's clearly thinking about how do we set up the Republican Party well, in a few years. And you saw that at the RNC with the people he had speaking, where you could see the next generation of leadership that's young, which the Democrats don't have right now. So that does make me.

[Dave Rubin]

What do you mean? They just selected David Hogg as vice chair. It's very.

[Erin Wexler]

So, thank God. May they never learn. But. So in that way, I'm hopeful, but I'm also cautious about the fact that Trump is so special that he drew in so many people who might not be motivated in the same way to get up and vote, especially because I do think he's gonna do such a good job and he will course correct this country and the world that things are gonna be good in three years when this election is really, really kicking off properly and people on the left who felt, you know what, things are so bad, I'm gonna for the first time in my life vote Republican. Those people might not be.

[Dave Rubin]

They just peel back.

[Erin Wexler]

They just peel back because it's not bad enough for them to do it.

[Dave Rubin]

That is the pessimist's take.

[Erin Wexler]

Yeah, I, but I said.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, no, I see it. It's nice that you smiled while you said it that way.

[Erin Wexler]

We're fucked.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, well, I can tell you. Well, you know this from living down here. It's like the amount of disaffected l. Former Cali, die hard Democrats that are here now and are the most crazed Republican, maga, America flag, blah blah, blah, people. That is what gives me hope here. And it also this Maha thing I think really like as that combines with maga, I think that shows something strong. So maybe that is just the difference between a world weary optimist and a smiling pessimist.

[Erin Wexler]

No, I think pessimist. I need to come up with my own term. I didn't know I had to have something strong. No, you have to have a term.

[Dave Rubin]

Dreary optimist.

[Erin Wexler]

I don't know, I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to come back on this one. But because pessimist is wrong, because I'm a very active. You want to be a happy pessimist.

[Dave Rubin]

Prime, not a negatron.

[Erin Wexler]

See what I'm saying?

[Dave Rubin]

No, I don't reference, not make.

[Erin Wexler]

Okay, just right over. But people when this happens, by the way, when I'm on your show and these things go over my head, there are always a lot of comments making dory.

[Dave Rubin]

90% of my references go over my, my entire staff.

[Erin Wexler]

Everyone else I know now, but no, but I think like I, I wake up in the morning happy. I'm a happy person. I enjoy life. I think I just always like to be prepared and I don't like to get complacent, especially as a lifelong conservative Republican. Whatever. It's changed over time, but I've had my heart broken way too many times. Even in Trump's first term, we were still the underdogs because they just took us for such a ride that we were not really in control. And that's why this time is so different. But I'm like, I'm used to the way things are with the left. They are very good at mobilizing and consolidating. And even though, like, yes, they're. Yes, they're. They, they don't learn certain lessons. Yes, they're so silly. They've won a lot. They are very effective and we cannot discount that. And so I just think we need to keep. Stay focused. Just don't assume anything. You know, I don't. Again, I don't think Trump's win this year and a lot of people might disagree with me on this. I do not think it was predestined or predetermined a year ago before Elon got involved. And I think without Elon, he may not necessarily have been able to win. So if that's the case and this was Trump, then what happens in four years?

[Dave Rubin]

That was going to be my last question, but now it seems like a very depressing ending to this thing. I have all these papers here. I didn't look at any of them. Is there anything else that you'd like to say that's. I could do this.

[Erin Wexler]

I need, we need, we need to end on a really happy note.

[Dave Rubin]

Yes. Tell me something very deep and fellow.

[Erin Wexler]

Oh, my gosh. There are so many different things to talk about. What I will say is, and maybe this is. I mean, it's not, it's not like happy or funny. And I'm usually that, I'm usually the funny one. But, but I'm, but I'm just a girl, so I'm just doing my best here.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah. Just try for a girl. For a girl, you don't have to be like, laugh out loud. But for a chick, do something funny.

[Erin Wexler]

No, but I get. It's just to end on the point of the, that the, that this is what I'm worried about. In four years, this is the genie that the left let out of the bottle that they haven't been able to put back in that they've been trying to. That they actually created this Dark Maga. Right, Right.

[Dave Rubin]

It's all on them.

[Erin Wexler]

It's all actually on them.

[Dave Rubin]

Right. It's like when they keep saying, you guys, look, we need our own Joe Rogan. It's like you idiots had Joe Rogan, you had everybody.

[Erin Wexler]

They lost them all. But now it's one thing to lose them. Now we have to keep them.

[Dave Rubin]

Them. Yeah.

[Erin Wexler]

And that's on us. And so that's what we really need to be, again, focused on. Don't. No one should get complacent. But what I will say is we are now the fun ones, the attractive ones, the funny ones. And I think we're in for a really great time. The golden era, baby. So there we go. Ending.

[Dave Rubin]

And that is a proper ending to an interview. You want a fist bump or something?

[Erin Wexler]

Is that what we're doing?

[Dave Rubin]

What do they do? What do they do on the right.

[Erin Wexler]

Like we're in Ilhan Omar's family gathering or something?