Is Joe Rogan Wrong on the Basic Facts of ICE?

Summary

The Rubin Report

Episode: Is Joe Rogan Wrong on the Basic Facts of ICE?
Date: January 14, 2026
Host: Dave Rubin
Guest: Erin Molan (Australian broadcaster, host of The Erin Molan Show)

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Dave Rubin is joined by Erin Molan for a frank discussion on recent controversies involving ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), media narratives in the U.S. and Australia, political correctness, and radicalism in both Western societies. Using recent remarks by Joe Rogan as a launching point, they dig into the facts about ICE operations, push back on sensationalism from politicians and the media, and draw comparisons to cultural and political challenges in Australia. The conversation is rich, witty, and steeped in the duo’s characteristic contrarian humor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Joe Rogan’s Comments on ICE and the Facts

• Joe Rogan’s Viewpoint: Rogan described ICE agents in Minneapolis as militarized, masked, and compared their presence to “Gestapo” tactics, suggesting a climate of fear and wrongful targeting of U.S. citizens ([03:34]).
• Rubin’s Counterpoints:
  • Rubin challenges Rogan’s “slightly confused take” with data: Of roughly 700,000 ICE detentions from 2025 to present, only 170 were U.S. citizens (less than 0.1%), none of whom were deported. Most detentions of citizens were brief, resulting from mix-ups or interference during ICE actions ([04:07]).
  • Rubin acknowledges issues of optics—masked agents patrolling streets—but emphasizes there’s no systemic issue of citizens being wrongly deported.
  • "There are going to be mistakes every now and again... But the overall numbers, no Americans are being kicked out and nothing is perfect." – Dave Rubin ([04:07])
• Erin Molan’s Perspective:
  • Molan stresses that ICE has an important job—enforcing laws, keeping out criminals—and that public opinion is not nearly as negative toward ICE as Rogan suggests.
  • "He’s talking like every American now looks at them and sees them as murderers. I don’t think he’s giving enough credit to the American people... The vast majority just see it as a tragic, isolated incident." – Erin Molan ([05:28])

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2. Media Optics, Political Correctness, and “White Savior” Narratives

• Clip Analysis: Rubin plays a clip of Pete Buttigieg and Chamath Palihapitiya discussing immigrant experiences, noting that some media/political voices presume minority groups feel threatened by Trump, while individuals (like Chamath) openly refute that ([08:01]).
• Erin’s take:
  • Highlights the absurdity of “white savior” progressives projecting fear onto minorities who may not share it.
  • Cites her experience in Australia: political correctness, virtue signaling, and cancel culture stifling authentic conversation ([09:52]).
  • “People, you know, speak up and say, no, that’s not how I feel. And I think that’s the best way to do it.” – Erin Molan ([10:52])

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3. Reactions to the Minneapolis Shooting and Political Polarization

• Donald Trump’s Response: Trump addressed the father of the woman shot by ICE, expressing empathy while reiterating the gravity of her actions ([12:42]).
• Erin’s Analysis:
  • Notes Trump is “at his best”—showing humanity—contrasting with partisan efforts to blame him for the incident.
• Democratic Reactions: Rubin and Erin critique Democrats (Ilhan Omar, AOC) who frame ICE as villains and exploit tragedies for political gain ([16:02], [18:53]):
  • “What would she like reformed? Their efficacy? Like, what is she talking about? ...They’re achieving their objectives.” – Erin Molan ([16:23])
  • "[AOC]... the way she, you know, for those who are not that engaged and haven’t been following... that is insane." – Erin Molan ([19:46])

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4. Media Misinformation and News Accountability

• Mainstream Media Criticism: Rubin and Molan call out MSNBC’s Katie Tur and “The View” for misrepresenting facts and spreading fear ([20:28], [23:19]).
  • “She is meant to tell the truth... If I ever inferred something that was not true or sold a narrative that was BS, I’d get my ass kicked. That was sports coverage.” – Erin Molan ([22:05])
  • Discusses the performative nature and lack of accountability in mainstream news and entertainment.

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5. Broader Themes: Political Correctness, Cancel Culture, and Shift Toward Sanity

• Australian Parallels:
  • Erin outlines how political correctness has taken root in Australia, leading to an environment of self-censorship and “suicidal empathy,” drawing analogies to cultural shifts in the U.S.
  • Describes being labeled a racist for innocuous comments and the atmosphere of intimidation in media.
• Hope for Pushback:
  • Both Rubin and Molan sense a societal shift as more people tire of extremes and seek common sense.

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6. International Issues: Iran Protests and U.S. Foreign Policy

• Iran’s Turmoil:
  • Trump’s Truth Social message encouraging Iranian protesters, and viral images of Iranians asking for Trump’s help ([31:52]).
  • Erin notes momentum inside Iran, Trump’s role in inspiring hope, and advocates strategic U.S. intervention—not ground war, but supporting freedom movements ([31:52]–[34:47]).
  • Points out progressive hypocrisy—left-wing figures reflexively oppose intervention and parrot Iranian regime propaganda ([37:31]).
  • “If you're willing to die en masse for your freedom, then I don’t really think this group of people are going to stuff it up once they get it. There’s too much at stake.” – Erin Molan ([35:00])

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7. Rise of Open Antisemitism

• Pro-Hamas Protests in the U.S.:
  • Rubin shows footage of protesters chanting “We are Hamas” outside NYC synagogues ([48:51]).
  • Erin is blunt: “Finally they are telling us exactly what they think and who they are... They have always been pro-Hamas. At least now finally they’re saying the quiet part out loud.” ([49:47])
  • Both worry about normalization of radicalism, the lack of consequences, and implications for Jews and broader society.

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8. Australian Updates: Bondi Shooting, Culture, and Integration

• Bondi Shooting and Aftermath:
  • Erin recounts hearing the attack from her Sydney home, laments Australia’s embrace of self-loathing and political correctness, and criticizes the government’s slow response to naming Islamic extremism ([51:28]–[54:00]).
  • Notes legal immigration’s strain on infrastructure and social cohesion, government appeasement to interest groups, and the loss of national pride (“the only place I hear the Australian anthem played is at Jewish events”—[56:31]).
  • “Australia needs to get back to who we are as a people, to what we value, what the people prior to us... went and died for.” – Erin Molan ([56:31])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“He’s talking like every American now looks at them and sees them as murderers. I don’t think he’s giving enough credit to the American people...”
– Erin Molan [05:28]

“There are going to be mistakes every now and again. But the overall numbers—no Americans are being kicked out and nothing is perfect.”
– Dave Rubin [04:07]

“I just love it because it’s like this white savior thing that these people have—offended on behalf of those who aren’t offended. In fact, the complete opposite feel safer.”
– Dave Rubin [09:04]

“You put your name in a show so you don’t get fired. I tried that with a tattoo... Didn't work.”
– Erin Molan [01:50] (opening banter)

“She should be denaturalized and deported. Putting aside the marrying her brother thing... she’s using her position as a sitting member of Congress to break the laws she swore to protect.”
– Dave Rubin [17:07]

“People, you know, speak up and say, 'No, that’s not how I feel.' I think that’s the best way to do it.”
– Erin Molan [11:09]

“If you wanted to brainwash a generation, what would be the best thing to do? You would send 2-year-olds to government schools...”
– Dave Rubin [47:22]

“Australia needs to get back to who we are as a people... If they don’t love it, they’re not going to fight for it, they’re not going to protect it, they’re not going to embrace it.”
– Erin Molan [56:31]

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Key Timestamps

03:34 – Joe Rogan’s ICE comments and the duo’s detailed fact-check
05:28 – Public perceptions of ICE: U.S. vs. Australia
08:01 – Pete Buttigieg, Chamath Palihapitiya, and “white savior” progressives
12:42 – Trump’s response to Minneapolis shooting
16:02–22:05 – Ilhan Omar, AOC, Jon Stewart: Critiques of left-wing politicians and media
23:19–24:53 – “The View,” celebrity activism, and mainstream media mockery
31:52–33:58 – Iran protests, U.S. foreign policy, progressive opposition
48:51–50:22 – “We Are Hamas” chants in NYC; normalization of extremism
51:28–57:49 – Bondi shooting; Australia’s cultural crossroads and integration challenges
59:16 – “More Bluey, less jihad”: Final notes on Australian cultural exports

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Tone and Language

The conversation is fast-paced, irreverent, and at times biting, with frequent humor and sarcasm from both Rubin and Molan. They are critical of “elite” narratives, call out hypocrisy and exaggeration across the media and political spectrum, and root their arguments in both data and personal experience.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode tackles the ICE controversy through a blend of statistical rigor and media criticism; challenges alarmist, ideological storytelling; and explores broader cultural anxieties on both sides of the Pacific. Rubin and Molan’s rapport and willingness to call out both the right and the left make for an animated, thought-provoking episode that arms listeners with facts, skepticism, and a dash of optimism about the emerging backlash to political insanity.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

We shouldn't be trying to get in front of a moving car. What, me or your lion eye?

[A]

This is for her. He is the hard of. You think it's easy to do that sideways? I was playing on your horse. All right, guys, it is January 14, 2026. I think I said it was 2025 yesterday, but I have updated the calendar. This is the Rubin Report. I'm Dave Rubin and I'm very excited today. I'm not even going to bother to tell you to subscribe or anything else because I have a very special guest in studio. Do not adjust your cameras. I am sitting a little lower because we have the great, the legend Australian Erin Milan from the Erin Milan show. I don't know how you put that together right there. That was incredible. You know, putting your name in the show, it's the key thing so you don't get fired.

[B]

I mean, it was a very big creative team that spent I think six to eight months coming up with that name.

[A]

Yeah, that was.

[B]

You just mentioned. You put your name in a show so you don't get fired. I tried that with a tattoo on my finger with a breakfast radio show, a comedy breakfast radio show in Australia, the Hughesy Ed Nairin show. And I thought if I tattooed it for a funny segment, they'd never can the show.

[A]

Quite interesting. Tattooed it on your curse fingers.

[B]

Yeah, that's strange.

[A]

Maybe that had something. You walked into the executives and you were like, guys, what's the story?

[B]

Guys, come on. Look, look, guys. Didn't work.

[A]

All right, well, I'm thrilled to be doing the show with you. And this is the first time that we're meeting in person. We've done each other's shows before, but you have become just an absolute all star of sanity in this space and you really, really have. And somehow we missed each other. When I was in Australia, I said to you right before we started, I was going, if this was six months ago, I probably would have intro'd you by saying, she's the Megan Qu Kelly of Australia.

[B]

And I probably would have been really flattered back then.

[A]

It's kind of an insult now, isn't it?

[B]

And it's really sad because there was so much to like about her prior. But there's something that. And I don't want to lay out accusations because it's your show, but everyone, it's the Internet.

[A]

You can do whatever you want.

[B]

That you seem to touch. Goes completely batshit crazy.

[A]

Yeah, I have a strange track record with people and I do have to talk to somebody about that. That's what I'm gonna be judging when I'm up there one day. That's. Well, you had Candace and. All right, well, we're going to do. We're going to do a normal show today. We're not doing a straight up interview. We're going to do a normal rundown show today and get caught up with all the news. And truly, there's nobody that I'd be happier to be doing this with than Aaron. So let's just dive right in. I thought this was interesting from Joe Rogan. You might have heard of this guy, little podcaster. I think he's got a chance. He had a, I would say, slightly confused take on what's been going on with ICE in Minneapolis. Take a look.

[B]

After that woman was shot, I think, unfortunately, well, everything is unfortunate about it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But one of the real problems is now ICE are villains. And now people are looking at them like murderous military people that are on the streets of our city and they're masked up, which is also a problem.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You don't want militarized people in the streets just roaming around, snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be U.S. citizens. They just don't have their papers on them. Are we really going to be the Gestapo?

[A]

Where's your papers?

[B]

Is that what we've come to?

[A]

Okay, so the reason I'm saying it's a slightly confused take is I want to give you some numbers on this. This is from dhs.gov USA Today and ProPublica. ICE arrests and deportations from 2025 to now is over 600,000. It's about 700,000. Actually. The amount of U.S. citizens detained during that process is 170. 170. With over about 700,000 deported. Zero U.S. citizens have been deported. And that means that less than 0.1% of ICE who were U.S. citizens, most of whom were held temporarily, there was some sort of mix up or mistake. And most of them, it's just a couple hours and usually because they were interfering with some sort of ICE action. So, on one hand, I kind of get what Rogan's saying, and I've said the same thing. There's sort of like an optics problem here, because when you have these masked guys on the streets, and I'm all for them wearing masks because their families are getting doxed and all the rest of it, but there is a bit of an optics issue about masked men on the streets kind of stopping cars. But I think what he's confused about is that the overall numbers, no Americans are being kicked out and nothing is perfect. So there are going to be mistakes every now and again. Does this whole thing, I mean, obviously, as someone that's not even from America, but you're here right now, does this whole thing seem like just like madness to you or basically right? I think it's basically right.

[B]

I agree with you, absolutely. They have a very important job to do. And I think one of the biggest promises Donald Trump made was cleaning up America and cleaning up crime and getting rid of people who A, are not meant to be here and B, are here but commit crimes against American people. I think he's also not really accurate when he's saying that. He's talking like every American now looks at them and sees them as murderers. I don't think he's giving enough credit to the American people. I look at the number of people who voted for Donald Trump, which reassures me they have common sense. And I don't think they look at what happened and say, now I. Some murderers, I think most of them would look at what occurred and say, that's absolutely tragic, that's really, really sad. We wish no one had died. But the fault for what occurred does not lay with ice, in my opinion. So I don't think that it's completely changed the way that Americans view ice. I think they say that was unfortunate, but there was someone in a car that was actively trying to stop them and actively trying to hit someone and knock them over. So, you know, I don't think most Americans now have changed their view of ICE based on what occurred last week.

[A]

As I said yesterday on the show, if. If I literally just parked my car in the middle of a street, forgetting ICE or anything else, and the police came up to me, and then I started moving forward at the police, they would shoot me. That's not a nice thing or anything else. That's basic stuff.

[B]

And even in Australia, where we don't have the kinds or the levels of crime that you have, or our police force I mean, we were talking about Bondi recently, which I think it's just been a month since that horrific terrorist attack, the biggest one we've had. And you look at the police reaction to that. We don't have things like that happen regularly in Australia, if at all. If there is even gun drawn. That's a huge, big deal for us, right? We have intense gun laws. Police are not used to having to confront that in America. The threat of violence against law enforcement, ICE police, is a massive daily thing. So I can understand why they would be highly paranoid and on edge and alert and ready and having to act as though things could be legitimate threats against them. And this was. This was a legitimate threat against them.

[A]

And we'll talk more about Bondi and what's going on in Australia at the end of the show, but I wanna throw back to a clip you guys may have seen. We showed this to you about a month ago, but I think it sort of indicates where the confusion is with a lot of the country right now. This is Pete Buttigieg, who was the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, very, very important. He was on the all in podcast talking about immigrants and how they feel. And I thought, Chamath Palihapitiya lays out something really interesting.

[B]

The worse it feels to be in this country, the better off Donald Trump is, whether he's running for president or whether he is president and sending troops marching into the streets. Can I just say, as the only immigrant right now on this podcast who immigrated here legally, I feel much safer and better under a Donald Trump presidency than I ever did under a Biden presidency. Just want you to hear it from my mouth, for what that's worth. Do you feel safer about the fact that a Latino doctor crossing the street in Washington, D.C. is getting hassled or harassed because they're brown? I don't think that I've heard that. Tell you what, after 9 11, for example, for years I had SSS on my boarding passes and I was pulled over constantly and people probably thought that I was a Muslim hijacker. So I know what it feels like to be harassed. And what I'm telling you categorically is I feel safer in this presidency than I have ever felt. And I'm just letting you know that this is just my lived experience.

[A]

So. Erin, you laughed a couple times during that. And I just love it because it's like this white savior here thing that these people have offended.

[B]

On behalf of those who aren't offended. In fact, the complete opposite, feel safer.

[A]

Meanwhile, he happens to Be brown. No one cares. That's the least interesting thing about Trump.

[B]

Go back to how unsafe you feel. Yeah, no, no, but tell us. You're brown, you must hate Donald Trump, you must feel unsafe.

[A]

And then. And then Pete pulls out one example of this Latino doctor. I don't even know about that. How do you deprogram? You know, because you guys. One of the interesting things that I found in Australia was that you guys are seriously politically correct as nation, which is so not what we think of you. We think of you guys as Crocodile Dundee and surfing and just like saying whatever you think and drinking Faustas and blah, blah. But the nation is very politically correct and that is basically the exact same thing there. It's just. Don't say what the truth is. Tell us what kind of feels good.

[B]

And it feels like in the last, say, 10 years, that's where we've gotten to push back now, I think absolutely is occurring, which is a good thing. But you're right, that's not who Australians are and that's not who we are. At our core, we're laid back, we've got a sense of humour, we push boundaries. But we suddenly found ourselves like many Western countries where we canceled people. And I made the analogy and we'll talk about what's going on in Iran at the moment. But, you know, a guy in a workplace in Australia could not compliment a woman on wearing a nice dress because he'd be cancelled as being a sexual predator. Yet the same women will look at what's going on in Iran at the moment and be completely silent. It's insane. And I went through it as well in mainstream media and I ended up suing a publication because they called racist, because I'd referred to a joke that a football commentator had made where he couldn't pronounce a difficult island as Pacific islander's name. And so we would take the mickey out of this legendary commentator because every time we go to say it, he struggled. And one of the other commentators had this hilarious story of them being in the car and him practising the name. And I was labelled ra. Like it's insanity. And I then became terrified to say anything. I've clearly left that person behind well and truly now these days. But, yeah, it's insanity. I don't know how you get it out of people. I think exactly, that is how you get it out of people. People, you know, speak up and say, no, that's not how I feel. And I think that's the best way to do it, because it's it's interesting.

[A]

Also because there's a connection between that clip and the Rogan clip. Cause in some sense, Rogan's talking about the optics around it, and here's Peak sort of laying out fake optics.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then again, the Brown guy, even though no one cares, is the one pushing back on it.

[B]

It's kind of great. Absolutely. And I think, you know, the more people do that, because often you, when you're in those embo environments and you're on someone's show, and it's easier just to be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, don't say, actually, I disagree with you. I think he did a great job.

[A]

Yeah, he did do a great job. So, of course, the big thing that's happening right now is because of the shooting of the woman that put her car into drive and almost drove over an ICE agent who was in the middle of the street, and they had asked her to stop because of that shooting. Basically, all hell is breaking loose in Minneapolis right now. Donald Trump was interviewed and asked about Renee. Good. And, well, take a look. What do you want to say to her father right now? Well, I want to say to the father that I love all of our people. They can be on the other side, as you say, he might be on my side. He is on your side. And I think that's great. And I do. I think it's great. And I would bet you that she, under normal circumstances, was a very solid, wonderful person. But, you know, her actions were pretty tough. I've seen it many ways and many different shapes and forms. Mr. President, thank you very much. For the record, I do think I'd have this job even if the other guys won. Yeah. But at a lesser salary. Thank you very much.

[B]

Thank you very much.

[A]

All right, so that's just like classic Gray Trump. So that's the guy who's heading up CBS News now with Barry Wise. And he's just poking at him also.

[B]

He survived that first episode, went a little bit of ripe, which was not brilliant. Yeah.

[A]

But what I thought was interesting about that clip is, to me, that's just Trump at his best. He's. He's showing the human part that, you know, this. Nobody wanted this to happen. He's acknowledging, if you watch the video, it's kind of. Kind of obvious. And then it's also just an interesting side note that the father happens to be on the Trump side of this, but Trump did not want this to happen. I mean, we're gonna get to some videos of the Democrats in a minute, basically, blaming him. And it's just crazy.

[B]

And I don't want this to happen. You know, nobody wins when something like this happens. It makes everybody's job harder, regardless of what side of politics you're on. But I think there are consequences so much.

[A]

That's where the Democrats want this to happen, though.

[B]

Because I do actually, to be honest. Absolutely. From a, I mean, a purely political perspective. Of course they do, because it makes, you know, it legitimizes what they've been saying in their eyes. They just fail to see that in the vast majority of normal, decent people's eyes. It doesn't. They go, this was an awful thing, but this was not the fault of ice.

[A]

Why do you guys. Not you. But why do so many Australians still have Trump derangement syndrome? That's what. That was also one of the shocking things.

[B]

Yeah, I don't get it. I mean, you couldn't mention his name at a social occasion because, I mean, people get so angry. But again, I feel like the shift has occurred. I really do. And our current prime minister, I can't, I can't. But the fact that we put him back in power after his first term terrifies me. But there's a shift. I promise you, it's coming. It's coming. I see you.

[A]

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[B]

Oh, is that. And that's how you met.

[A]

All right, thank God we're not. You don't want to know what we're.

[B]

Talking about when 20 years of live TV and I still get it wrong.

[A]

Let's punt that for a second.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do we have the Ilhan Omar puke bucket? Just in case we have a guest here and I don't want her to. What an aptly named puke bucket it is. Well, it's quite literally. Here we go.

[B]

I just.

[A]

Just because you're here and you might be jet lagged and we're going to talk about Ilhan Omar and I don't want anything to. So let's.

[B]

Very sweet of you. I'm wearing white pants as well because.

[A]

Just in case, as we go through this segment anything happens here, I'm gonna.

[B]

Thank you so much. God, I'm gonna have to have good aim. Dave, I'll hold it for you.

[A]

Just give me, give me like a half second word. I'll hold it for you.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Ilhan Omar, a woman who married her brother and committed federal immigration. It's a complete violation of federal immigration law and that's the least of her problems. That's the best thing about her here is announcing that the Democrat Congressional Progressive Caucus is going to try to defund ice.

[B]

And so today I am glad to announce that the Congressional Progressive Caucus has adopted an official position to hold ICE accountable. Our caucus members will oppose all funding for immigration enforcement in any appropriation bills until meaningful reforms are enacted to end militarized policing practices. So sorry. Meaningful reforms? They're achieving their objectives. What, what would she like reformed their efficacy? Like, what is she talking about? Why don't you reform the behavior of the idiotic protesters? And again, tragic what occurred, but they're causing the issues. She's insane. She.

[A]

To me, she should be denaturalized and deported. Putting aside the marrying her brother thing, which. Adam, I don't know how you feel about that, but I mean, I've got.

[B]

A brother and he's gay. And I'm saying that as.

[A]

That would be very confusing. So you could get gay married to your own brother.

[B]

Jesus. I'm trying to say, would that make it less viable or attractive? I mean, either way it's gross. I don't get it.

[A]

So she marries her brother. But putting that aside, the reason I think she should be denaturalized and deported is because she's using her position as a sitting member of Congress to break the laws of the country that she swore to protect. It is the federal government's job to get these people out.

[B]

She's dangerous she's dangerous. And I look at so many people that have come to Western nations, and we have the same thing in Australia as well. When you look at people who come and what I say is, come to our country, follow our rules and our laws. Keep parts of your culture that are special to you. Absolutely. Don't try and change ours. Don't break our laws, don't kill us. It's really simple. People flee countries and come to countries like Australia, like America, because they want what we offer. Safety, peace, democracy. She's come to this country and she wants to destroy everything about it.

[A]

She wants to bring in the sectarian violence that she fled.

[B]

Exactly. Make it make sense.

[A]

Sort of like when I was in Melbourne, which I think I just pronounced correctly. Pretty impressive, right? I didn't say Melbourne, I said Melbourne, where they're just hacking each other with machetes. They've come to your country to hack each other with machetes. But the government did put machete boxes so that if you're about to. To hack someone with a machete.

[B]

But don't worry, Dave, because they're about to really, really crack down on gun laws to solve that machete issue and the terrorism issue, because that's really going to help. Really going to help that.

[A]

Here's another gem. Yes, it's aoc, I think so long.

[B]

As the Republican Party and the Trump administration is using ICE to attack American citizens and shoot mothers in the face, I'm not willing to have a conversation with them, a, about any other bad faith attempts to terrorize U.S. citizens. Okay.

[A]

@ least they're toning down the rhetoric.

[B]

Huh? If she is the best the Democrats have, thank God for all of us, for Australia, who relies heavily on the US to be strong. If she's the best they've got. Thank you. What a great demonstration of how incapable she is. That is appalling. It's not just wrong on every level. It is so dangerous because also, she didn't.

[A]

Need. Had this shooting not happened. It's not as if she'd be talking to Trump and trying to figure out a way to, like, make this all work. It's just everything is for the cause of the.

[B]

Revolution. And what she just said, the way she, she, you know, for those who are not that engaged and haven't been following, if they're just listening to that and they're thinking that ICE agents are going up to mothers in the street, you know, helpless mothers with prams just trying to shop and shooting them and that. That is.

[A]

Insane. Did you see this? Clip A couple weeks ago, Jon Stewart, who apparently still has a show. It's a little unclear to me, like, he's getting paid a lot of money to ch once a month or something. But he was talking about how that.

[B]

Network.

[A]

Exactly. But that. That he said something like, you know, and they're throwing Abuela on the floor and grabbing her. And it's like, john, how come you didn't show video of.

[B]

That? I tell you why. Because it would not have backed up a word he.

[A]

Said. Because that video does not.

[B]

Exist. It's insane.

[A]

I. Let's jump over to what they're doing on mainstream media. Here is Katie Tur on the televised mental institution known as Ms. Now with some.

[B]

Dribble. Despite the turmoil, the federal government says it is not deterred. It is now sending hundreds more federal agents to Minnesota to protect those ICE agents, according to Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. And they're blaming both the news media and, quote, agitators for the chaos, claiming journalists are willfully misleading the public about Renee Nicole. Good officials saying she was dangerous, not just some innocent mother of three. Just like they say Kilmar Abrego Garcia isn't just a Maryland.

[A]

Father. Is that something? Is that.

[B]

Something? I mean, I wanted to talk about the fact that she said, despite the turmoil, ICE is not deterred. No shit. Guys, guys, we're gonna pull them all back now because that's ridiculous. But. Sorry. He's a wife beater. Not even alleged. Like, she's. Oh, I.

[A]

Can'T. Literally. A wife beater. A human trafficker. He beat his wife with a.

[B]

Boot. A sexual.

[A]

Predator.

[B]

Yeah. And she's using him as the example. Like, come on. In fact, it's a great one. Good on her because it.

[A]

Demonstrate. I mean, it's just never gonna stop with these.

[B]

People. No, but it's great for content. And I get that. It's. That. That's highly anti. Can you pass me.

[A]

That? Yeah, yeah, we'll get her that clip. You have email or something. We'll get it to you. But that. What do you make of that? As someone that, you know, you've worked in media for a long time, that they can still get up there and do all of these linguistic tricks and confusions and think they're gonna get away with it? And obviously they do to an extent, because. Cause they're on television. Right. I mean, they've got a.

[B]

Job. Yeah, it's really. And so she's a news presenter. Right. That's very different than being a political commentator or someone who is Paid to give an opinion. She is meant to tell the truth. And when you host a news program or you're part of news coverage, that's your sole job. When I was a sports host, and I would host sport, and sport lives are not at stake, as you know, during sport. But if I ever inferred something that was not true or sold a narrative that was bs, I'd get my ass kicked. That was sports coverage. You know, truth mattered then. And then this is news where people's lives are at stake. And she's just. I mean, even her face. I mean, I'm not just saying it's offensive by itself. Not beautiful, but.

[A]

Just. No, no. Great.

[B]

Hair. Great hair, great volume. I love. Nice shine. But. But the way she is delivering or when she's delivering lines, it's. She's half rolling her eyes and. No, but that is what people who, again, are not engaged and don't check their facts and don't have. It's not because they don't care. A lot of people just don't have capacity. They trust that source. They trust it, and they're watching that, and it shapes their narrative. And that's how we find ourselves in positions where people are shot.

[A]

Yeah. I hate to tell you that it wouldn't be a Rubin Report episode if we didn't show a clip of the View. So are you ready here? Wait. We'll move the Ulan Bucket a.

[B]

Little closer just because I'm really on.

[A]

Flexibility. Here's Joy Behar explaining that this will all lead to Donald Trump canceling.

[B]

Elections. I'm worried about that. Trump is looking for this kind of pandemonium to go on, like you just described, so that he could declare martial law or something and also cancel the midterms. Well, under martial law, you won't have elections. Yes, that's what. That's what she's saying. But look, because he's worried, he even says to administer Democrats take Congress next time I will be impeached. Which means that he could be convicted and sent to jail. He does not want this to.

[A]

Happen. God. You know, I used to know her and like her, and I lived a few blocks away from her, and her husband used to pet my dog all the time. And I take. It's one of those things when I watch these people go crazy. I take no Joy literally, in this case, in going after these people. But first off, Trump's not gonna cancel the midterms. That's not a thing. We've done this for 10 years. But also, so, Joy, it's like you live in a doorman building for a reason. Do you think there are armed security guards outside of that studio? I've been there. Of course they.

[B]

Are. I just, I love the end bit of her, you know, her little spiel and her little enablers on either side and then the audience going. And she kind of finishes a bit, looks down and just, you can, you know that feeling where everyone's clapping and she thinks she's literally just said something that, you know, is akin to Einsteinik. Is that a.

[A]

Word? Einsteinik? I think I got the.

[B]

Point. I mean, she's an idiot. And I say that with so much respect, or maybe very little respect. She's an idiot. Not one thing she said there is.

[A]

True. You know, they give Alyssa Farah, the one. You know, she's the conservative, quote, unquote. Yeah. You know, they give her a cookie during the break. They always give her a cookie right when they go to break so that she'll just be sugared up enough to stay there. I don't know if I'm serious, actually, but I think.

[B]

It'S. And then they trap what's in.

[A]

The cookie and then they literally. It's like seals, they feed. They throw little fish out to the audience and they're like, yes, yes, do.

[B]

It. Did you think. And it was a similar, you know, thing I was trying to figure out in my head at the Golden Globe where they actually genuinely believe that they are very important and that they're. They're significant players on the world stage, don't they? They actually believe.

[A]

That. Are you telling me you don't respect Mark.

[B]

Ruffalo? That's a really good point.

[A]

Immensely. The seventh best.

[B]

Hulk. I can't even. I had to look up his name when I saw. And I'm not cool, so I'm not a celebrity follower, but when I saw him just stop. That pin is like. But you're right. I mean, even the really famous ones are silly. The less famous are just.

[A]

Sa. There are a couple people in the news that make sense every now and again. This is one time, at one time, he was quite literally the number one cable news host on television. Bill O'Reilly. Here he is talking about. And this is sort of the reverse of the Rogan thing that we started with. This is the point that Aaron made earlier about the reaction to what happened. Take a look. The problem with the Democrats is that the resistance is so over the.

[B]

Top, it's so blatantly ideological to the.

[A]

Left that most Americans, even though they feel very sorry For.

[B]

Rene.

[A]

Good. They reject these people. So that's exactly what your point was.

[B]

Earlier. I thought it was worth reiterating, more validated. Absolutely. Now, he's fantastic, isn't he? And it's true. I think, again, you've got to give people more credit. And most people, again, would look at it and say, very sad. Wish it didn't happen. Of course, you don't deserve to die because you've made stupid decisions, but when you make stupid decisions, that can be a consequence of it. And it.

[A]

Was. Do you think there's a version of this? I've really been trying to think about this last couple days. A version of this where a sane Democrat, and I know there's not many left, so let's say, so it's John Fetterman, everyone. The guy who had brain damage.

[B]

Two years ago is now the same.

[A]

Democrat. Did you ever see the movie Awakenings with Robert De Niro and Robin.

[B]

Williams? The last movie I watched, Dave, was Mr. Bean, his holiday movie 20 years ago. I've gotta get out.

[A]

More. Wow, is that.

[B]

True? No. It's actually true. No. And I walked out, I think, with 18 minutes to go or something. It was in the Gold coast, big cinemas there. I have no.

[A]

Life. I don't even know what. I can't even respond to that properly. Anyway. There was a movie Awakenings, about a guy who's basically in a coma and then he starts coming back to life and waking up and seeing what's happened. It doesn't end that well for him, but he's kind of what Federman is. He's like coming back online and the more he, like wakes up, the more conservative he becomes. But do you think there is a version of. Of something the Democrats could do that would not be over the top, that we might be sympathetic.

[B]

To? There's such an opportunity, given how bat beat crazy the vast majority of them are. And this wouldn't help the Republicans at all, but for someone to actually come through and actually just be decent and sensible and appeal to, you know, not everyone loves Trump. We know that there is a void there for the taking. And I think absolutely, you know, jump on board, support what they do, it would help. It would actually help everyday Americans stay safe. But no one's willing to do it because what do you get attacked and annihilated by all the other crazies? That's the issue. If anyone even says anything semi sensible that's not completely extreme or dangerous, they're suddenly very.

[A]

Lonely. Right. Cause basically what would happen is they would be liked by all of us. They'd be invited on our shows to be like, oh, tell us what you think. We think maybe we don't agree completely, but we'll talk to you. And then that would be the proof that they're a traitor.

[B]

To. So you can't.

[A]

Win. It's a freaking. It's like. It's like a circle of people with a gun next to everybody's head. Everyone's waiting to.

[B]

Shoot. So how do you fix it? Because I want a strong opposition everywhere. I want. You know, I want. I want two parties that are not complete. You know, the world benefits when there are kind of decent people in both that you say, okay, I'm more aligned here. But I don't think you're completely crazy here. But at the moment, we don't have.

[A]

That. I mean, yes, I think that the healthy way to have America is you have. You have a tension, like a healthy tension between conservatives have been liberal. That's what actually America, in some sense, was founded.

[B]

Upon.

[A]

Absolutely. I just think the ship has sailed on that. So what do we do? I think we kind of do what I did, which is you leave Cali and you move to Florida. You figure out where you're gonna. You know, that's the beauty of what we have in America, with states rights. Anywho, let's talk about balance of nature for just a moment, and then we'll get to Iran, which Aaron has been, let's say, outspoken on. Is that fair to.

[B]

Say? That would be one way of putting it.

[A]

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[B]

Now. Really well put. And I think that's something that's lost a little bit in the case, the violence and the tragedy, because it is all of those things, but in a positive, exciting way. We're on the edge of something absolutely phenomenal if they can hold on. And Donald Trump is helping. When he sends messages like that, he is helping immensely to give them courage, and they've got it in hordes. But they need hope. And I look at what is happening right now, and there are a lot of indications that America could be about to intervene militarily and intervene. People get, oh, what America can do here will benefit America as much as the Iranian people and everyone else around the world. This regime is so evil, it has its tentacles in almost every bit of tragedy, destruction and death. Globally, they had a bounty on President Trump's head. This is a regime who wants to kill your president, yet you still have people going. That's not America first. No, no. Helping the people of Iran is a great thing, but it's also America first. We've seen some reports of Big fuelling jets that have already taken off towards the direction of Iran. I'm seeing messages in Israeli group chats that are saying essentially bunker down something big is coming. We're seeing the evacuation of plenty of Americans from bases in that region. I think we're on the edge here. And I say absolutely, go forward. And I know not everyone wants America to get involved, but you've seen with Venezuela, we've seen other examples and with Iran itself during the 12 Day War where you can do things that are high impact, you go in and out that make the world of difference and you don't lose lives on the.

[A]

Ground. Do you think the part of the pushback or confusion from say like the Tucker or hyper libertarian crowd that wants America only and just a purely isolationist view of the world is that they just don't believe in America anymore? And I think you can, I think you.

[B]

Can. Chuck, his brother said North Korea, they're like North America's like North Korea, right? That doesn't show me two people who believe in their country. And how do you believe a country's worth fighting for and protecting or worth embracing if you think it's like.

[A]

North Korea or if you're, you know, spending a lot of time in Qatar and buying a house there. But we could punt that for a moment, but that they look like the argument if I was trying to steal a man, their thought, it's basically okay, well, we had all these misadventures in the Middle East. You know, even Obama destabilized Libya, Gaddafi's gone, it's a failed state now obviously Iraq war, whatever the high hell happened In Afghanistan, a 20 year war, the longest war in American history, that the argument is, oh, we've screwed up all of this stuff, we'll screw this up. My argument against that would be I don't know what will happen if we try to do something. First off, I don't think we're putting troops on the ground in Iran or anything like.

[B]

That. Wouldn't even be on the cards. Wouldn't.

[A]

It? But because the people are there ready to rise up. It's very different than Iraq back then. Also the Internet has changed the way information flows and all that, but it's a fundamental belief I think that they have, that America can't do good anymore. And I think Trump is showing that we can. Look what we did in Venezuela in 90.

[B]

Minutes. I think you're absolutely spot on. And you look at what the people have proven they are capable of, how badly they want this, what they're willing to sacrifice for this. And I mean it's such a. I was thinking it in my head yesterday and I haven't said it out loud and it feels like a silly analogy but I look at president, you know, my dad used to say to me if I went to him when I was a teenager and said, you know, can I borrow $500? I want to buy, you know, something or go on a holiday. And he'd say will you show me that you're willing to work and save that amount then I'll match it or something like that. He wanted to see that I was serious about it. And then he would come in and you know, I keep thinking Donald Trump in America has now looked at what the Iranian people are willing to do for their freedom. And if you're willing to die on mass for your freedom then I don't really think this group of people are going to stuff it up once they get it. There's too much at stake. They've suffered for 50 odd years under this horrific illegal regime. Not a government that went in and something went wrong. They are illegally in there same as the Venezuela. Like this is a group of people who are dying en masse. 20,000 are some of the reports. They're starting the hangings and the executions today they've got Reza Pahlavi who's not perfect. No. And not everyone agrees but the vast majority of people see him as the person transition and then you figure it out. This regime is so bad. You know what, get rid of them then figure it.

[A]

Out. And also this is the last chance in some sense their proxies have all been destroyed over the last couple years like this is the chance. Now interestingly the lefties who get nothing right about anything ever of course are Dave. No, they're quite consistent but. But of course they are not happy about potential American involvement. They're not supporting the protesters and I was a little I wasn't sure if we were going to play this read this tweet but this is my former boss a long list of people that I've God1 cenk uygur from the Young Turks. I just thought this was illustrative perfectly of how awful the lefties are when it comes to anyone yearning to be free. Listen to this. Most of the quote unquote Iranians you see on social media are fake. They are Israeli bots trying to start a war from the Israeli press Haaretz which is a completely insane bananas far left publication there a large scale digital influence campaign in Persian was underway Operated out of Israel, the campaign promotes Pavlovi's public image and amplifies calls for restoring the monarchy. The campaign relies on avatars, fake online Personas posing as Iranian citizens on social media. A lot of people in Iran don't want the Ayatollah in charge. No one in Iran wants a new dictator. Shah is the Persian word for king. A king is a dictator with no restraints. Reason Israel wants this is because dictators are much easier to control than a democracy. Notice that no one is talking about Israel paying for this war, nor that they use fake accounts and fake reports to start a war that America pays for. There's so much dribble in there, it's off the.

[B]

Charts. Tell you where he's getting the.

[A]

Implication that they're a democracy.

[B]

Now. I just saw this as I was coming into your studio, and this was a message from the Iranian foreign minister. And when I say that the terrorist foreign minister, part of the regime. Israel has always sought to drag the US into wars for its own sake. But surprisingly, this time, they're saying the silent part out loud. With blood in our streets, Israel explicitly boasts that it has armed protesters with live weapons and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. President Trump should know exactly where to turn to stop the killing. I mean, he's getting his talking points from the terrorist regime in.

[A]

Iran. What does this tell you about the nature of progressives that they. You're.

[B]

Watching. They used.

[A]

To. Here, let's pause for a second. Just throw to this video. So you're telling me all of these people who are risking their lives on the street to end the oppression of the ayatollahs, the ayatollah and the mullahs, that they're doing this somehow for Israel. Every single one of those people has more bravery in their finger than.

[B]

He has in his fat fucking hundred percent. And it drives me crazy because it's. It's easy for him to sit there in a safe space and spew bullshit out that that only serves his hate and derangement of Israel. Yeah, Millions of people are in the streets fighting for the same thing. He pretends to. Sorry, they are dying for this. And he can't for a moment put aside his hatred and obsession with Israel and say this is a good thing for them. Good for them. We are with.

[A]

You. It's so interesting that the hatred of Israel Trumps aren't supposed to care about women's rights. Aren't you supposed to care about gays? You know, I'm.

[B]

Trying. Look at the Golden Globes. Sorry. But there was a. When these Hollywood woke, lefty fools would have jumped at the chance to jump on board anything that was to do with, say, women MeToo movement. They were all over it. Black Lives Matter. All over it. Of course. Gaza, we know all over. Sorry. This is one of the greatest examples of courage, bravery of people, actually not idiotic protesters in Western streets who are not giving up a thing and who would never survive a second in one of these places and would never try because they're cowards. But sorry, not one person could give a shout out or even wear. Not one person at the Golden. And that's, you know, that is appalling. He's a mouthpiece for the regime in Iran and that is a.

[A]

Disgrace. Did you see at the Golden Globes Bill Maher, who we just mentioned.

[B]

He had a lovely date, by the way, the woman, I'm not sure if it's date, but she looked.

[A]

Beautiful. Yeah, no beautiful youth does all right when it comes to the chicks. But that Wanda Sykes made fun of Bill, like, like, stop it. Basically because it was pretty much like we're all exactly the same. Stop being the guy who's telling us that we're not, you know, that we're not as great as we think we.

[B]

Are. Hard to hear, isn't.

[A]

It? Listen to this from Aobi on X. Breaking Iran International reports that after reviewing information from government insiders, IRGC members, medical personnel and eyewitnesses, at least 12,000 people have been killed in recent protests across Iran. And I thought we'd throw back to this video. We've shown you this a couple times over the years. It's from, I think two or three years ago. It's Saudi Prince Mohammed, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman talking about what Iran under the Ayatollah is.

[B]

Like. I've seen that you called the Ayatollah Khamenei the new Hitler of the Middle East. Absolutely.

[A]

Why? Because he wants to expand. He wants to create his own project in the Middle East. Very much like Hitler who wanted to expand his. At the time, many countries around the world and in Europe did not realize how dangerous Hitler was until what happened, happened. I don't want to see the same events happening in the Middle.

[B]

East. Does Saudi Arabia need nuclear weapons to counter.

[A]

Iran? Saudi Arabia does not want to acquire any nuclear bomb. But without a doubt, if Iran developed a nuclear bomb, we will follow suit as soon as possible. Now, in Cenk Uygur's very, very small mind, that guy, basically the Saudi crown PR is pretty much an agent of.

[B]

Israel. But this is again, in so many of these situations, people in the west and you know, elitists think they know better than those at the coal face, than those on the ground, than those who have experienced it firsthand. Like you look same as Bondi and same as, same as so many terrorist attacks around the world and this, this appeasement of the, of these terrorist Islamic extremist regimes. And in the west we're like, oh, we don't want to offend or hurt feelings. Arab states and Muslim states say no. Indonesia, world's largest Muslim population. And I promise this is relevant. They under the last president Widodo, all but eradicated Islamic extremism, the world's largest Muslim population. And he went into power and he said, this is one of my top goals. And he did it double pronged with getting rid of, you know, kids who were indoctrinated. Not getting rid of the children, but getting rid of the indoctrination and being tough as all hell on perpetrators of this violence. And they have all but eradicated it and loudly and proudly. Yet in Western nations, we weren't even. My prime minister wouldn't even say Islamic extremism. This is the thing. This is a man, the crown Prince who knows this evil. It's in his neighbourhood, it's in his backyard. And he identifies exactly who this Khomeini.

[A]

Is. And by the way, that's not like a wholesale defense of everything that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia does. Obviously they're not great with religious.

[B]

Minorities. Legitimate flaws there as well. Absolutely. But why do we, when people, why do we not listen to those at the coal face when it comes to these kind of issues.

[A]

That. Did you see the story, we covered it yesterday, that the UAE is now banning students. You saw this, banning students from.

[B]

Going to London in case they become. I can't. If you're ker. And you see that, surely even in your. Maybe if you don't even say it to your wife, surely inside you've got to feel a little bit sick and go, oh, sweet Jesus. Yeah, like, sure. Like this is like, hey, Tony. Like this is a little off. But, but no, they, they. I mean, the UK though, that's a whole other kettle of fish, isn't it? They are, they're completely cooked as.

[A]

As the kids say they are cooked. Let's talk about Network USA and then we'll jump to New York City and then we'll finish up with Australia. Do you owe back taxes or haven't even filed in years? Now's the time to Resolve your tax issues. With the national debate around abolishing the income tax system, the IRS is pushing back by becoming more aggressive than ever. They're sending more colle, filing more tax liens and collecting billions more than in recent years. If you owe or you haven't filed, it's not a matter of if the IRS will act, its when. Right now, Tax Network USA is offering a completely free IRS research and discovery call to show you exactly where you stand. Their programs and strategies can save you thousands or even eliminate your debt entirely if you qualify. Don't make the mistake of trying to handle the IRS on your own. Representing yourself or calling them directly can waive your rights and cost you significant significantly more. The IRS is not on your side, but Tax Network USA is. Get the protection you need and start resolving your tax matters once and for all. Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit tnusa.com dave for your free discovery call. Don't let the IRS be the first to act. So Aaron, I want to jump to two things out of New York City first. So we've got, you know, this commie jihad adjacent mayor right now, okay.

[B]

Fine. But he does like sex workers.

[A]

So hey, right, he's into sex workers. He want homeless people to be on buses all day long and everything. He also wants your money for his parties and everything else because free things are not really free. Anyway, here he is with Ms. Rachel singing Wheels on the.

[B]

Bus. The wheels on the bus go round and round round and round, round and round the wheels on the bus go round and round all through the town. I want to share with all of you that I'm feeling happy because yesterday we announced that New York City is going to deliver universal child care for every two year old across the five boroughs. What? Oh.

[A]

My. The kids are applauding because free government schools to brainwash you. It's just.

[B]

Great. Free for mommy and daddy who paying your.

[A]

Tax. Like there she is. Who's lied about the Gaza war for two years with her gay husband and it's all.

[B]

He. I mean, I don't like to stereotype. He's definitely.

[A]

Gay. Oh, she's gay, as they.

[B]

Say. But I can't. I mean, of course mum, Dani and her find so much common ground. Of course. They're like two peas in a pod. She, I mean, my daughter was never that into her and I actually take pride in this because even prior to her insane hatred of Israel and her one sided dangerous rhetoric and you know, her selective outbreak rage, my daughter thought she was A flog. And I look at my daughter sometimes and I worry that, you know, she's not that great at dancing. She loves it though, God bless her. Other things. Yeah, but identifying flogs. She is a.

[A]

Great. I could probably hire her because clearly I have a bad track record.

[B]

When. Oh God. Your children didn't love her, did.

[A]

They? No, no. So we don't do much TV with them. They did have about a month with her when they were about one and a half or so. And we started feeling it was very brain numbing. You know, it was sold to everybody as like, this is the thing you want to show your young K. But something about the repetitiveness, the way they talk, the colors, you know, she had this weird genderqueer person, you know, this one with the ring on her lip and she couldn't tell if she was a boy or a girl. And she was really depressed, like the.

[B]

Whole.

[A]

God. But all of that aside, the fact that they get little kids to applaud for childcare. It's like if you wanted to brainwash a generation, what would be the best thing you could do? You would send 2 year olds to government schools and all these progressives.

[B]

Abs. But I mean, this is where it's starts, right? This is where the rot in young minds starts. Right there on that floor. Two years old clapping with mum Darni, Miss Rachel and her gay husband. Yeah. I mean, what a way to set up a strong, solid future for a.

[A]

Child. I mean they're going to, eventually they're going to put chips in these people and it's just going to be, it's going to be in utero. Let me show you one other thing out of New York City because you've been extremely outspoken about this sort of thing. And then it'll connect us to some stuff happening in Australia. But just a few days ago, outside of a synagogue in New York, here are protesters chanting we are Hamas. Okay, so first off, they're outside of a synagogue. So this I guess has a little something to do with the Jews. They always try to pretend all their hatred of Israel has nothing to do with Jews. But they're saying we are Hamas, which is a real mascot because usually they dance around that and they pretend that river and sea, even though they don't know which river and river sea. They pretend all the globalized India doesn't mean anything. This seems a little bit different now. Also, Hamas killed 47Americans. So even if you don't care about Jews or you don't care about Israelis or whatever, they killed 47Americans. You gotta have some balls to be doing.

[B]

That. As much as I obviously hate how this would have felt for the people using that synagogue or the people around, and I'm sure Jewish people in New York would have. They watch this and think, okay, this is just another example of how unsafe my city has become. I love this so much because finally they are telling us exactly what they think and who they are. Cause you're exactly right. That was my. The point I was going to make is that for so long, even marching across the Harbour Bridge in Sydney, Australia, and they're saying, no, no, we're for the kids in Gaza. We don't hate Israel. No, we're not for Hamas. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They've always been pro Hamas. They have always been pro Hamas. At least now finally they're saying the quiet part out loud, right? They. That's exactly what they.

[A]

Believe. Right? Because nobody could have, even two years ago, at the height of the protest, walked out there and said, I'm not for Hamas. You would have been killed by your own.

[B]

People. Correct. So they are. I mean, they're being honest, so I applaud them on that basic level. But what are Americans doing? I mean, in. I mean, we're the same in Australia. Our free speech laws are not as. As. As, you know, open as yours.

[A]

Are. But that's, I mean, hate.

[B]

Speech. You could be correct. I know. But. But in. In terms of professing support for a terrorist organization on Americans, like, where's the consequence for that? What do you do? Are you okay with that? Are you Americans okay with.

[A]

That? We're not. And the question really is, are we going to do anything about it? That really is the.

[B]

Thing. That's because people watch that, and people who believe what they believe and feel the same way watch that and go, well, they'll just go home and go to bed and do, you know, no consequences for.

[A]

It. So I had one clip from Australia here, but I don't even think we need to throw to it. I just want to talk to you about what's going on in Australia right now. Because the morning of the Bondi shooting, you live in Sydney and you actually heard the shots from the balcony. So what has subsequently happened there? Well, first off, were you surprised? Because I do have to say, having been there for about two weeks just a few months ago, I was not surprised. There was a lot of Palestine stickers. There were Muslim conversion booths in various cities on the corner, Melbourne specifically. I didn't see Australians. It was very bizarre. It Was different in Sydney, for sure. And it was different on the Gold Coast. Absolutely. But something felt very weird in the country to me. So when I woke up that morning and saw that, and I think your video was the first thing I saw, like, I was not surprised. So what's the state of the country right.

[B]

Now? Yeah, I think you're spot on. I think anyone who's been paying attention was not surprised at all. Shocked. Absolutely. And we spoke about it earlier in the show regarding the fact that Australia doesn't have these kind of incidents. You know, it's very foreign to us that someone should pull out a gun and shoot people like animals. And I'm very grateful that that's a very foreign experience for. But not surprising. No. Because as we know, one thing leads to another, leads to another, leads to another. I'm not one of these people who thinks, you know, words are violence. They're not. But words lead to violence. And I look at different moments in our country post October 7th. That all contributed to an acceptability and a legitimacy to hating Jewish people and hating Israel. And I look at the Opera house straight after October 7th, where we had people chanting, gas the Jews. F the Jews. Where are the Jews? As though they were looking to hunt down Jews. This was before Dave, an IDF boot had hit the ground in Gaza, was.

[A]

Right. You're talking about literally October.

[B]

Literally. So this is right after the slaughter, celebrating a slaughter. And it's not against freedom of speech. This is hate speech. You are not allowed to profess your love for a terrorist organization or threaten violence. That is against the law. Did one person pay a price? No. In fact, the only person that had a little run in with authorities was a Jewish man who went out to fly a flag. The Jewish community in Australia wanted to go there, there on that day to mourn, to acknowledge what had occurred. They were traumatised. That was meant to be their moment. They were told to stay away by police, told to stay away. And suddenly these people came and they were okay. They were fine to do that. The Harbour Bridge. Exactly the same thing. Blowing up a synagogue in Melbourne where you were. And by the way, the Iranian regime was behind that. There were people inside. People could have died. They were behind the blowing up of a synagogue in Melbourne. So the ambassador was expelled. We never should have had an ambassador from a terrorist organization anyway. But so when. When people say, oh, why don't you care about what's happening in Australia? Why do you keep talking about Iran? The Iranian regime blew up a synagogue in Australia. Their tentacles spread Far and wide. So look, I think people again, they move on so quickly. I feel like already we've kind of moved on and it's like, well, the Prime Minister wouldn't say Islamic extremism for two weeks kept referencing right wing violence and gun laws. No, that was Islamic extremism that had been enabled because our country continued to make Israel's the villain off the back of October 7, which is not true. It's dangerous and it results in the deaths of innocent people. They were hunted and gunned down like.

[A]

Animals. So I'm obviously quite bullish on the future for America because first. Well, we've seen that we're trying to do something about this. We've closed our border. We also are an armed population. We were born out of revolution. I think there's something fundamentally different also. We're now in our 250th year and I think there'll be a resurgence of, of just pro America attitudes in general. So I'm quite bullish on America. Western Europe, I think, is just cooked. What do you think? What do you think the future is for Australia? You guys have a legal immigration problem, not an illegal immigration problem, which I think confuses a lot of people. It's that you've had subsequent governments that just let in an awful lot of people. But how do you deal with this? I mean, the homegrown part of this, like, what do you actually.

[B]

Do? I had Ben Habib on my show recently from Advance UK and he announced. So he's probably not Nigel Farage's biggest competitor when it comes to, you know, next leader in the uk. And he said their first policy culture, he said, because nothing else matters if we don't get back to the roots of our culture and what matters. And I look at Australia in a very similar way. Yes, legal immigration is our big issue and not so much in terms of extremism, but just from basic hospitals and education and transport and, you know, kids of hardworking Australians, including immigrants, by the way, who came to our country because they wanted to escape lives that were not as rich or were dangerous or for whatever reason came to Australia to give their kids a better future. Their kids now can't get a rental because we're too crowded. There's too many people and we don't have the infrastructure. We then also have been letting in people from places like we gave over 3,000 visas to Gazans after October 7. Our government, to appease the Muslim vote in.

[A]

Australia. You should have given.

[B]

Zero. Zero even. Wanker. Lefty woke knob Shiners like Macron didn't give even a.

[A]

Hundred. Or is it any Muslim.

[B]

Nation? No, exactly. And this is my point again. And unashamedly, they weren't worried about offending. They were like, oh, God, no. We feel sorry for the children. Absolutely. As do I. Absolutely. But there's no way we're gonna risk our own people's lives or the disruption of our country by bringing in people from a place that is run by terrorists, where the vast majority voted in a terrorist regime to run it. So Australia, I think we've gotta get back to what matters. We've gotta be able to wave our flag. Australia Day is coming up. And sudd you talk about being politically correct. I remember when I was a sports host putting an Australian flag up on my Instagram, so before I was a political commentator, when I just had to be down the line and, you know, no one wanted to know my opinion, which was fine. Putting a flag up and being annihilated is being called racist and a bigot and a white supremacist. The only place I hear the Australian anthem played, the only place in five years that I've heard it played, has been at Jewish events that I've spoken at since October 7th. They play it every single time. Jewish Australians, they fly our flag and they play our national anthem. Australia needs to get back to who we are as a people, to what we value, what the people prior to us, like my grandparents and other people, went and died for. Went and died to preserve. We need to get back to that Australia or we're completely screwed. And that starts at home. You can't rely on schools, you can't rely on education, you can't rely on social media. We need to bring our kids up to love this country. Cause if they don't love it, they're not gonna fight for it, they're not gonna protect it, they're not gonna embrace it. They're gonn colonising racists. So I think it comes back to the core of who we are. Do I have hope? Absolutely. I always will. But something significant has to shift. And I thought, you know, I kept saying something awful's gotta happen on home soil for Australians to realise, wait a minute, this is not a faraway problem, this is in our own backyard. But I see the aftermath of Bondi. It's been almost exactly a month and it feels like people have moved on already. And it's kind of like, ah, next. And that terrifies.

[A]

Me. I'll tell you one little thing I think you could do that would Help, which is you gotta get those land acknowledgments out of a. All the buildings. You go into almost any building in.

[B]

Australia. Every platform, every meeting.

[A]

Y. And it's not to. It's not to say there cannot be some acknowledgment or things can be.

[B]

In museums and there are occasions where it is appropriate if you're at a. You know. But every time, you're right, because every child, preschools, they do it in preschools in the morning. Every child is growing up. That's such a good point. It's such a. A little thing, but it's such a big thing because repeated daily, it shapes their narrative. This is not my home. This is. Is not my land. We stole this. And you're right. And again, why would a kid join the military or be proud or fly a flag when they're being told to hate Australia? It's at the core of almost everything we do is self loathing and suicidal empathy. And what a combination those two.

[A]

Are. Well, our friend Gad said suicidal empathy just went. It's now available for pre. Look, I'm doing a promo for someone else's book. While I'm with you, we can promo your stuff too. But his book Suicidal Empathy, I think just went for sale today. It's already.

[B]

November. In fact, he just tweeted me before and tagged me because someone had done a kangaroo version of it or something and he said, erin, is Australia ready for me? I said, probably not quite yet, but go.

[A]

Anyway. You guys just need more Mad Max and less Anthony Album Dundee. Yeah. Where is he getting.

[B]

Back. He's.

[A]

Alive. I think he's.

[B]

Alive. I think I did this last.

[A]

Time. I think he's alive or just. You just get more Bluey out.

[B]

There. Oh, that's your. Isn't it.

[A]

Funny? All right, let's end with this. Do you think it's kind of funny that you're. It seems to me that your number one cultural export now is Bluey, which is really. Instead of Ms. Rachel. That's basically the thing we let the kids watch. And it's wonderful. It's just.

[B]

Wonderful. And the values that, you know, you watch it as an adult and you go, oh, that's so beautiful, kids. Actually, that would actually be a great thing, wouldn't.

[A]

It? You need more.

[B]

Bluey. More.

[A]

Bluey. Less.

[B]

Jihad. Less jihad. As though they are the polar opposites and they.

[A]

Are. Aaron, you are the.

[B]

Best. Oh, love you. Thank you so much for having me. And thank you to your amazing.

[A]

Audience for tolerating me The Erin Milan show. It's everywhere. What's the main place you want to send people.

[B]

To? Let's YouTube would be amazing. Or the podcast or social media. Yeah, or essentially you could just watch me here when Dave invites me.

[A]

Back. Yeah, well, I heard a rumor that you're back in Miami in February. We'll do a little live event or.

[B]

Something. Oh, that would be.

[A]

Amazing. We'll figure it out. All right, thanks for watching, everybody. No post game show because I'm gonna hang with this lady for a little bit. Thanks for.

[B]

Watching. What? I.

[A]

Winked. Marketing. Editing is hard, but I'll tell you a little.

[B]

Secret. It doesn't have to.

[A]

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