C (1:55)

You might be the coolest.

A (1:56)

You win.

C (1:57)

You win.

A (1:57)

Wait, wait, I can one up you on that. Bette Midler called me a racist.

C (2:03)

It's a tie between you two.

A (2:08)

Anywho, let's do a program with two of the guys that I have on. I'm always talking about my short list of sane people. You're both on there. And Viva, we're gonna start with something that you put up because, you know, yesterday, really, for the first time in the three months since our friend Charlie Kirk was assassinated, I fully addressed the craziness, the subsequent craziness after his death, meaning the Conspiracy theories, the stuff that Tander and Tucker and others, Candace and Tucker and others have been putting out there. I mentioned Megyn Kelly and just how this has frayed friendships. It has broken a right that should be so unified right now. Only, you know, 11 months into Donald Trump's second go round here. And you put up something that I thought was quite interesting on the Twitter machine. Look at this. So these are images of thumbnails and video views, in essence, the titles and video views that Candace has done. And it's just a small selection of them, videos that Candace has done. The amount of views and in essence, what you're showing there is the amount of money the bank she has rolled in while offering up crazy conspiracy theories about who killed Charlie, talking about the people who are attempting to kill her, like the French Legionnaires, while at the same time she went to Dolly Land or Dolly World or whatever it's called.

C (3:27)

What's it called?

A (3:28)

Parton Town, Dollywood the other day and went, showed up at Tucker's Christmas party. All of this nonsense. I really, you guys know I hate the interpersonal portion of this, but when I saw that image, I was like, man, that's what's driving this. And I don't think it maybe is much more than that. Do you think it's that simple, Viba, that this is a click and money chase?

B (3:50)

Well, people may or may not believe me when I say this. I didn't post that to show the numbers. I didn't even look at the numbers and I didn't post that to show that she's making bank off this. I posted it in response to the fight between her and Tim Pool, where she accuses Tim Pool of, you know, who profited the most from this. So I guess in a way it was not to show that she's making money off of this, because I don't think there's anything wrong in monetizing your analysis period. And I wasn't actually criticizing Candace for it. I was just highlighting that it is the borderline exclusivity of her content over the last three months. And for her to come out and accuse Tim Pool of trying to capitalize off of this and putting up a thumbnail. Who profits? And they have, you know, Tim Pool for whatever the reason. Kash Patel, it's like it's fine that she wants to dedicate her content to this. And had something else happened, you, you know, it was Macron. It'll be whatever the scandal is. And I say it without any blame, but for someone to accuse Tim Pool of trying to capitalize all this when it has been 99% her content for the last three months. It takes a little bit of confession through projection and lack of self awareness, but she has the right to do it. And I'm not saying, you know, ban her, block her. I'm not even saying don't listen to her. Absolutely let her speak. But it's all of her content for the last three months, 24 7.

C (5:05)

Right.

A (5:05)

So, Gad, as a behavioral psychologist, can you talk a little bit about the position that we're sort of all in, not only as on the creator side and on the audience side, because the pressures related to doing things that will get clicks, I think are now superseding anything that has to do with doing something that is true. But not everybody also puts the truth at the top of the hierarchy of importance, or maybe the way that I'd like to think that the three of us would at least glean at it while we're doing this. How do you sort of quantify or analyze the behavior around what's happening here?

C (5:45)

Yeah, so, I mean, I would say it depends what you are trying to optimize as your key metric. Right. If you're playing football and you don't recognize that the team that wins is the one that scores more points, but you somehow seek to optimize which team keeps the ball longer, then you're probably gonna end up with a losing season. Right. So I think all of us here try to put out content that will hopefully appeal to people. Yes, we're concerned about that. But there is a higher goal, which is, you know, can we create content that at the end of the night we feel proud about. Right. And so, for example, I have chats with pretty obscure academics that get me three or 4,000 views. Right. So it's certainly not worth my time to have done so. But I am bound by the fact that I also need to create content that hopefully, however many people view it, they say, you know what? I learned something new here. I feel enriched intellectually by what I just watched. Maybe that's my professorial ethos. I think the problem with Candace and a lot of those folks is that the metric that they're trying to optimize is, as you guys have said, clickbait. And therefore, I will do whatever it takes to. To ensure that the most amount of people come to see me. And it's regrettable because the seven deadly sins, which we've known for now for almost a millennia, have pride on top. It also has greed, the Reason why the seven deadly sins are eternal is because we constantly fall prey to them. And regrettably, many of these content creators are exhibiting exactly that.

A (7:23)

So, Viva, as someone that, you know, you're in a lot of these fights, and I'm going to read another tweet of yours in just a moment. How do you decide to balance some of this stuff? Doing something that's worthwhile versus getting clicks versus doing something that's honorable. And I guess really, are we just right now, even by doing this, are we just giving her exactly what she wants?

B (7:46)

I'll say this, and people can choose to believe it or not, I never have ever had the thought of what's going to get the most clicks in terms of what I cover. It's what I'm interested in, and it's what I think I can add value to. And even with Candace, I'm avoiding it. I don't think it's value added to anything. I don't think her analysis is actually value added. It's more like gossipy daytime television for which there's a market and quite clearly a big market. But when the metric becomes anything other than what you're interested in, what you think needs to be explained to the world or what you think the world needs at that point in time, well, you can chase the bucks, and it's going to be, you know, not trying to catch a falling knife, but trying to, you know, chase that white dragon. You're going to continually chase something, and eventually, I don't know, eventually it catches up when people get the impression it's just exploiting things and not actually adding anything of meaning to the discussion. But, yeah, it's.

A (8:38)

It's a.

B (8:39)

It is wild. Quite clearly, there's a market there. There's a market for conspiracy theories, but just to spin conspiracy theories for the sake of spinning conspiracy theories and then demonize anybody who doesn't go to that extent to say, well, now you believe the official narrative. We are in two camps of seeing everything as a conspiracy everywhere, and then, you know, not seeing conspiracy anywhere, which is. I don't think anybody, anybody really adheres to that.

C (9:01)

Right.

A (9:02)

My. My general position on this was I was trying to honor his legacy and talk about Charlie and talk about the good things of America over the last couple months. And I thought that a lot of this would just kind of die down over time, but oddly, and maybe this is the nature of the Internet, like, literally the structure of the Internet and the algorithms, it's only gotten bigger and bigger, and. And it's Only until this week, where I finally address. Because now Erica herself is speaking up. So I felt that that was kind of the respectful airlock that at least I wanted to play with, let's say, related to all this. Viva. Let me read this other tweet and then have GAD respond, because you put this up. And I think this. I think this illustrates what's going on here. What is the single best piece of evidence that Candace has uncovered through her coverage that contradicts Tyler? Was the shooter sincere? Question. The best piece of evidence that candace uncovered or 1. The best piece of evidence.

C (9:50)

2.

A (9:51)

That Candace uncovered, three that contradicts Robinson. Was the shooter sincere? Please answer now. And you were retweeting somebody who asked about this. I mean, there's been so many theories that have been debunked. You know, she had this Egyptian plane thing where she got the timestamp wrong. Someone pointed that out, and she said that that was even more proof of that she was right. There were the people in the maroon jackets who, you know, she claimed were probably involved. And then it turned out to be a kid who admitted it was. He's just a kid there that him and his friends dressed sloppily. That's basically what he said. I mean, there's so much of this. But, Gad, what do you do in the face of endless lies or nonsense? I mean, do you just sit it out? That is where we're at right now, yes.

C (10:32)

I'll answer it in two ways. About a year and a half ago, I appeared on a British show hosted by a British psychiatrist who, towards the end of the show, asked me, of all your years as a professor of behavioral sciences and so on, what is the singular phenomenon that is most surprised you about the human condition? And I'd never been asked that question before, so I had to pause. And then I thought, well, the inability to get people to change their opinions, irrespective of how much evidence you might show them once it is deeply anchored in that position. As a matter of fact, oftentimes the more evidence I show you that is contrary to your position, the more anchored and the more you believe in your position. And so that's a very difficult reality to recognize when we are in the business of trying to defend truth. So that's number one. Number two, in the chapter seven of the Parasitic Mind, which is titled how to Seek Truth, I begin with sort of a pessimistic statement, namely that our faculty of reasoning did not evolve to seek some objective truth, but rather to win arguments. So even Our module of reasoning doesn't care about objective reality or truth. If my team says that the sky is purple, I will die on that hill to make sure that my team wins, irrespective of whether it is connected to reality or not. So that's why when I wake up every morning, I'm both filled with existential angst, but also excited. Can I break through those people or should I just put up my arms and give up?

A (12:18)

Let me ask you a quick follow up to that. Then Viva can jump in.

B (12:20)

But.

A (12:20)

So we don't have to make this all about Candace. But if for. So when someone's going down these conspiracy theories and they're really down there and every day is a new one and it's a continuation of the story and everything else, how do you get them to a place of where okay, here's the book, here's the actual evidence, here's the video, here's all the stuff if you like, if we were to hand that to her, and again I don't need to make it about her, but to someone right now, I think they would say, well that was concocted by the, you know, like you just never get there.

C (12:49)

So I think. So here's the issue. You've probably heard the statement before that human beings are a pattern recognition species, right? I mean that's, that's how we learn things. It is always easy to come up with illusory causality that somehow ties your weaved conspiracy story as a pattern. So it really is. And again, I don't want to sound pessimistic for the people who are truly deep down the rabbit hole. I don't think I could do anything to them. So one of the skills that I think I've learned through all my years of public engagement is to gauge whether there is any hope for me continuing our dialogue so I can flip you or whether you're so down the rabbit hole that it would be completely useless time. And I think I've become better at doing that.

A (13:42)

Viva, what do you make of how this is all sort of burned down? What should be a very unified right right now or at least, at least what's happening online. It's, it's very hard to tell what goes online and how much it's affecting the real world. But the endless fighting and the, and the, you know, all the Tucker stuff and the Megan stuff, it's just insane right now.

B (14:00)

Well, that's a double edged sword as well because people say, well on the right, we're not a cult, so we do have disagreements and we do debate. And then, you know, the flip side is everyone's infighting now. Why can't we unify? Well, unify like the cultists on the left is not always a good thing when you're not pursuing the right goals.

A (14:16)

So, I mean, sure, but setting aside a few differences sometimes is good if you're trying to keep the country, you know, I don't know, American maybe.

B (14:24)

True. I think what we're seeing right now is a culmination of just a lack of faith in institutions, a lack of faith in so called experts, a lack of faith in government, a lack of faith in law enforcement. And people literally don't know what to believe. To the point where some people question whether or not the earth is round. And so, you know, conspiracy theories, there are always different types. You have some people who say the Holocaust never happened. You have others who say it happened, but it was not as bad as everybody's saying or it happened. It's as bad as everybody says. But the, you know, but there is a conspiracy here. The Zionists did it to justify the claim to the state of Israel. Sandy Hook. There's varying levels of conspiracy. It never happened. It was all crisis actors. Nobody died to. It happened. But the real conspiracy was how the government didn't actually implement protocol to protect that school. When it comes to Charlie Kirk, I don't believe the official narrative either because I don't believe that Tyler Robinson acted alone. And I would like to know who influenced him, who was in that discord group, who had advanced knowledge of this and someone to tell me that he acted alone. Nobody else knew. I'll have great difficulty believing that. But then beyond that to say, well, Tyler Robinson didn't shoot it. The bullet must have come from somewhere else. It came from a lapel. And there's no way of disproving any of this because it's based on not positing any plausible theory, just entertaining outlandish ones. And some people make a good market out of it. It's good to ask questions, but not unfalsifiable questions that only lead to convincing people that, you know, up is down and down is up. That's sort of where we're at right now. People are so desperately lacking faith in institutions. They can believe anything that they can make up in their own minds and nothing can possibly disprove it to them.

A (15:57)

Yeah, I think the institution point is good because had they not failed us so terribly in Covid and had mainstream media not lied to us about so many things, many People would not be in the brain broken situation they are, which is why I'm sympathetic to a lot of the people that got caught up in this. I'm not necessarily sympathetic to the people that are abusing them, I would say. But, you know, gad to your earlier point about how these people kind of double down every time. Did you guys happen to. This is a sidebar, but did you guys happen to see my former friend and colleague Anna Kasparian on with Bill Maher?

C (16:26)

I was gonna mention that about.

B (16:28)

Because it, it, it.

A (16:29)

Well, well, it's just a perfect example of what you laid out there, Bill. It was truly Bill Maher at his absolute best. He says to her, you know, which Middle east country could you wear that dress in? And, you know, she's always wearing very tight dresses, showing a lot of skin, wear a lot of makeup, the whole thing. And the answer, obviously is Tel Aviv, or quite literally any city in Israel, even Jerusalem. She'd get away with it. And. And because her Israel derangement is so high, she just refuses to say it, thus doubling down on her own nonsense where then she followed up with a tweet saying she'd never step foot in Israel and condemning the women of the Middle east to live in these oppressive places. I thought you'd have fun with that.

C (17:12)

And if I can add, I actually, I don't know if you saw. I tried to engage her.

A (17:17)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

C (17:17)

And when I did, it's exactly what you just said, which is, you know, but who did 9, 11. But what about Bashar Al Assad? I mean, literally had absolutely nothing to do with the content of the original issue, which is, does Islam promote sartorial freedom for its women or not? But somehow, because her team has to win and her team says that Israel and the Jews are evil, it's always going to point there.

A (17:47)

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D (19:19)

I think Trump is one of the most destructive presidents and human beings in my lifetime. I think this republic is at real risk, this country being unrecognizable and I have no patience for people that want to indulge it. I can't stand the corny capitalism. I can't stand all these supplicants that are sitting there bending the knee to this president. I can't stand the universities have done that, the law firms that have done that, the individual corporate leaders that have done that, other governors, maybe Democrats and Republicans that have been complicit at this moment. This guy is reckless, he's a wreck. This country will not have a, a fair and free election if we don't continue to fight. I'm just, I, that's what matters to me. Seriously. I'm the future ex governor and who the hell knows what happens the rest of my life. Except one thing I know that matters in the rest of my life is I have to look at my kids in the goddamn eye. I mean that seriously. That's not like a politician thing to look them in the eye and say that I, you know, not in that apparel of being judged not to have lived in the moment.

A (20:13)

You know, one of his strange tics, you both laughed at it there is where he says God damn, he has to look at his kids in their God damn eyes.

B (20:21)

I was like, what? It's such a, it's, it's it's, it's, it's a, some sort of implicit recognition he does not get along with his kids or he doesn't like them. It's not like, God damn it, I got to look at my kids in the eyes and say, I got to look at my goddamn kids. Like, it's, it's, he must, he hates his kids or he knows that his kids hate him.

A (20:38)

Viva, is that the best example you always meant, you sort of mentioned it earlier, but confession through projection, everything he said there, everything he said there was a confession. Confession of his own. S. Not Donald Trump's.

B (20:51)

I mean, it doesn't even need to be said anymore. It's pathological. If that were, if it were a woman who went on that level of a tirade, you would call her histrionic, hysterical. You know, what that was was basically something of a rambling meltdown of no sense whatsoever. One of the most destructive presidents and human beings, that is, you know, forget Jeffrey Dahmer, forget George Bush, forget, you know, all of the tyrants of the Middle East. No, Donald Trump is one of the most destructive human beings of his life. No, it's, it's, it's just delusional. But it works on low IQ voters. But Dave, one funny thing about the, that pose. I made it into the New York Post with my take on his pose. I said, oh, he's displaying the position of his taxpayers before he taxes them more up the ass. Something along those lines. It was, it was a good one.

C (21:36)

Can I, can I add psychological angle to this?

A (21:39)

Yes.

C (21:40)

I'm always fascinated when I hear folks like Gavin spew the stuff that they do, whether in the deep recesses of their minds, they actually don't believe it or do believe it. And I'm torn. I don't know what the real answer is, and maybe you guys can enlighten me, but there is some very interesting research from evolutionary biology by a great evolutionary biologist named Robert Trivers, who offered an adaptive explanation for why humans are so good at self deceiving. And the argument is that if you and I, let's say Dave, are having a conversation and I'd like to be Machiavellian with you and manipulate you, I might put out certain nonverbal cues that signal that I am being duplicitous, which you will pick up on. And one of the ways by which I can ensure that that doesn't happen is for me, as Seinfeld's episode explained, first, you need to believe the lie. So I wonder, it's not A lie.

A (22:40)

If you believe it.

C (22:40)

Exactly. So I wonder, and you guys could tell me, do you think that the lizard believes this stuff or it's all inauthentic and he knows it's bs?

A (22:50)

I think there's almost no way to know what this guy, whose policies I literally fled California this week four years ago because of and who I campaigned against with Larry Elder and everything. I don't know what's in his heart, I don't know what's in his mind, but I don't know how you could look at the record of destruction of what he did to San Francisco and then what he exported to the entire state of California and the criminality and the drugs and all of the companies that fled. I mean, when Elon Musk took Tesla and some of his other companies out of California, he had a press conference saying he was happy. Like, putting aside what your feelings on Elon are and all, and all that the amount of tax money you just lost that you're now gonna have to punish other people. So I don't know, is that purely Machiavellian, just for power? What do you think?

B (23:35)

Well, I tend to think he actually believes it. I tend to think villain is the hero of their own story. And when, you know, when. When Musk leaves California, it's not an indication of Newsom's failed policy. It's an indication of Musk's avarice, greed. And so, you know, it's. It's always the two screens. One film, two. Was it one screen, two films. Because it just depends on the metric that you're looking at in order to determine. Oh, you know, homelessness is at a record high. Well, that's good. They're servicing record numbers of homeless. And so in Gavin's equation, having more homeless is better because, you know, you can. You can service more people and service more homeless, and therefore you're doing more good. Like. Like Bernie Sanders. Bread lines are a good thing. You know, it's not good to have nobody in bread lines because then you're not serving people who need food. The idea of actually minimizing poverty sort of on the back end of their equation. So he looks at all of the consequences and nefarious in his state, and he just flips the equation and says, why are. Oh, it's there because we haven't done enough. It's there because of greed, of people not paying enough taxes because of, you know, the Elon Musk's leaving and taking their money with them. And then, flip side, he decides to look at all the good stats. I mean, good in a sense that they've got a lot of. A lot of business, a lot of corporations in California. They've got a big economy. They got a lot of people, but they don't. They just. It's easy to deceive yourself, to factor out the bad stats and then blame those bad stats on your enemies.

A (24:53)

Well, let's. Let's listen to Gav himself on some of Cali's successes.

D (24:57)

We have a formula for success. I mean, California success is not an accident. It's by design. I mean, we have 18% of the world's R and D. We invest in that. Billions and billions of those tax dollars go back into R and D tax credits, the UC system. I mean, how many more engineers, scientists, more Nobel laureates do we need? $180 billion. It's build.ca.gov, you can look it up. Transparent website that shows the biggest investments in capital and infrastructure in California's history. That is being invested as we speak. We dominate in manufacturing. 2.8% of manufacturing. Advanced manufacturing is in place, like Florida. It's 13 point California. We dominate in every critical category of.

C (25:37)

The nation's total manufacturing outfit.

D (25:39)

Yeah, the nation's total. So we're number one in every category. So the economic opportunities, the growth, the energy, the daring, the creativity, all of that is present in California. My gosh, we have more Fortune 500 companies than we've had in a decade in California. We have more unicorn companies we've ever had. Look at the venture capital that's going back into the States.

A (26:01)

All right, so I welcome either one of you to point out any inaccuracies in what he said. There. There's always a way to fudge numbers and to sort of hide things. But I would give you one other number which we just double checked. Do you know how many people have fled California in the last five years? You guys want to take a stab at it?

C (26:15)

I'll take a shot. A million.

B (26:18)

I'll say 2.6.

A (26:21)

If I split the difference. You're right. It's 1.6. 6 million. Okay, so the proof to me is in the pudding. You can. You can tell me about numbers and you can tell me about all those things, and they. They may or may not be true. And we know that you can always manipulate data to some extent. Where are people going and where are people fleeing from? To me, that is the answer.

C (26:43)

G. Yeah, absolutely right. I mean, I study consumer behavior. Right. Market penetration, market share is a much better indicator of how Much your product is loved than a survey that you fill out where you might lie for impression management reasons. So of course, you're walking. How you walk to where is a much better predictor of your preferences. But on a slightly separate note, the interlocutor, whom I had, I'm going to say the pleasure, although not quite, of meeting at a Shabbat dinner in San Francisco. Did you see how enamored. It's as if the guy speaking.

A (27:24)

Ezra Klein from the New York Times.

C (27:26)

Ezra Klein. It's as if he is interacting with a mixture of Epictetus, Newton and Darwin. Right?

A (27:34)

I mean.

C (27:34)

I mean, holy shit. The depth, the profundity with which Gavin was spewing his stuff. I mean, slow down. It's too profound for me. Let me take some notes. And I'm always. I mean, I've seen the same thing with Kamala Harris when she's interviewed, how they kind of sit like this and say, my goodness, you are just arguably the most brilliant person alive today. Do they believe that or are they bullshitting? To my right.

A (27:58)

It gets us back to the other thing, by the way. My guys are telling me right now, 12 Fortune 500 companies have fled California in the last couple years. So, you know, some of it. Viva. Do you think that some of it is even. If his numbers are even roughly correct or some of those data points he pointed to are roughly correct, that doesn't mean it's because of what California's been doing. In many cases, it's probably despite what Cali's doing. Cali was the dream of Americans for basically a hundred years. Go West. It created this incredible stuff with all of this unbelievable natural wonder and every. And the industries that went there, Hollywood, etc. Just because you have some good numbers doesn't mean it's because of what he has done over these last, you know, six or so years.

B (28:36)

What Gavin Newsom did in law is. Or in debating, it's basically. It's the shotgun argument, spaghetti against the wall. He says so many things in such a short period of time, it becomes impossible to even validate or invalidate any one particular item. What I loved is that he referred to the website as transparent. Like, oh, all right, now I know you're lying to me. Go to the website. It's very transparent. Thanks for admitting you're fudging the numbers. You have more, you know, whatever big companies than you did 10 years ago with population growth. I should hope you do. Otherwise, you know, it wouldn't just be not particularly good growth, but it might be total collapse. And then going into industries that Florida doesn't compete with California in to compare apples and oranges literally. Or to compare oranges and avocados. But hey, here's one homeless population. You got a homeless population in LA that's bigger than some American cities. You've got more illegal aliens in in California in LA than some major American cities. What about the Palisades? Tell us, have people rebuilt their homes yet? You don't have water in your fire hydrants. And you're going to tell me that things are going well in California? You donate half of your or whatever, 20% of your firefighting force to Ukraine. You don't have water because you're diverting it for the San Antonio or whatever it was the San Antonio smells like. And you're going to tell me that things are running well in California. $6 gas. People can't sell their homes because they're unsellable. Yeah, things are going great. Gavin, thanks a lot. And everybody's fleeing to Florida and nobody's going back with the U Hauls. Yeah. Tell me your stats one more time. While we just deny reality quite literally.

A (30:04)

My favorite data point over the last couple of years is that when we were renting our U Haul to get our stuff from Cali to Florida, literally four years ago this week, we had to pay double because the guy said nobody's driving the trucks back anym. So the it just economically does not work out a little bit more about what's going on in Cali because this, this will show it quite clearly. The average California gas price right now is $4.41. And in Florida, where, where he is clearly not a fan of Desantis and the rest of us, it's 286. Now I'm not saying that's completely the fault of Gavin Newsom and completely the credit of everything going on here, but it has something to do with governance. Here's one more. If you he hasn't mentioned chopping off kids genitals yet, but he did earlier this week.

D (30:50)

Week evolutions we didn't get into trans sports. That's an issue no one wants to hear about because 80% of the people listening disagree with my position on this. But I. But it comes from my heart, not just my head. It wasn't a political evolution. It was position being that I, I don't think it's I I want to see trans kids. I have a trans godson. I'm not there's no governor to sign more pro trans legislation than I have and no one has been a stronger advocate for the lgbk. Too many. But you have to accommodate the reality of those whose rights are being taken away as we advance the rights of the trans community in terms of the fairness of athletic competition. And I just think that's not a bigoted position.

A (31:31)

No, it's a retarded position. But maybe it's not a bigoted position. Gad. I mean, help me here. He's so duplicitous. And Viva, you're so right. He says so many things in a row, and they're often conflicting, that it's hard to follow up and pinpoint where you want to go with it.

C (31:45)

It. Well, I now call it the Malcolm Gladwell effect, because you. You gentlemen probably remember that about a month or so ago, you know, the, The. The luminary Malcolm Gladwell explained to us plebs that, yeah, I guess, you know, I got cowed into saying this because I. I needed to maintain my status in the Manhattan elite social clubs. But that, yeah, in reality, it seems wrong. What is that?

A (32:10)

Talking about this topic.

C (32:12)

Specifically about this exact topic. Yeah, Yeah, I guess there are biological differences, differences between men and women.

B (32:18)

So.

C (32:18)

But imagine how dark your relationship to truth must be that in your existential calculus of how to navigate life. Now, he's not a professor, but he is an author that is read by millions of people. So he is a supposed peddler of truth. Yet he felt to our earlier point about which metric do you maximize? He felt that it was a lot more important. Important to stay on the right side of the cool kids party by saying that there are no innate differences between men and women. And only when he realized in a very pragmatic way that it was no longer cool to say this because the winds were changing, he came out and said, yeah, I guess I was just bullshitting. And that's what Gavin is doing. It baffles me that such people exist.

A (33:10)

Viva. I actually, when I heard that clip this week, I actually was happy because what I thought was, bo, he's still gonna do this. And it is such a losing thing at this point, especially as it pertains to kids. You wanna dress up however the hell you want and do whatever you want with your body when you're an adult. I don't care. And I don't think most Americans care. You have your own private beliefs, and that is. But the fact that he's still on this train, to me, this could be the type of thing that really, really does hamper him for the upcoming presidential run.

B (33:37)

Can we all have a little bit of a laugh at that? He can't even say the two SLGQIA. He doesn't even know what the numbers are anymore.

A (33:44)

Anymore.

B (33:45)

A, B. What are the odds he happens to have a trans godson or whatever? It's an amazing thing how people who are in this silo of social contagion seem to be exponentially more impacted by it. These journalists and I put by the.

A (33:59)

Way, GAD is two spirit. I don't know if you know that. So just treat him, treat him accordingly.

B (34:04)

You know these journalists or so called journalists, you have, you know, Piers Morgan interviewing Nick Fuentes and they don't ask follow up questions. You have this guy Ezra Klein time. I would have asked Gavin, hey Gavin, I'm sorry, stop your, your diarrhea at the mouth business right there. What rights have been taken away from so called trans kids? Name one right that has so allegedly been taken away from them. And to the extent I know you're going to have no answer to that. You targeting kids with trans ideology. Trans laws is grooming, period. Keep other kids out of your mouth. I mean, pun intended. You are not not in a business of targeting other people's children with trans legislation to protect from the taking away of rights that is not occurring. What you are in fact doing is generally mutilating children. And there's a word for that. It used to be illegal. So hey Gavin, what right has been taken away from so called trans kids? The answer is none. The only rights taken away are from girls. To compete in girls sports against girls, biological girls who don't have to compete against people who have a physiological advantage over them. And then you want to get around that physiological advantage by sterilizing them before they go through puberty. And now you say now it's even because we sterilized a boy before he went through puberty and got testosterone. You're animals. You're actual modern day Dr. Mengelees. And people need to say it.

A (35:18)

I mean, you know, this is what Jordan Peterson says. We'll look back on this in 20 years and realize these people were butchers. But it also goes to show how completely idiotic, you know, he butchered the lbgtqi, whatever it was. But it's like you're going after the L's and the G's and the B's to whatever extent they really, they're really there. You're going after them because you're most likely taking a young effeminate boy who maybe will grow up to be a gay man or a girl who's a little more butch, as we used to say, and you're chopping their genitals off. So don't tell me that the L's and the G's are that thrilled with the T's. Before you go on. Yes.

C (35:51)

Yeah, because this, this trans craziness of course applies tragically to children, but let's apply it to science. I've shared this example before, but maybe your audience is unaware. University of Waterloo is one of the top, top technical universities in Canada. Right. Sort of akin to MIT or Caltech. They're very good in engineering, they're very good at computer science. So recently they had two positions open in their school of computer science where the original compiler for Fortran in the 60s was developed. So, you know, this is an MIT level kind of school for their endowed Canadian government chaired professorship. If you applied for artificial intelligence, you had to be two spirit or non binary or so. So just imagine the Canadian government in a field as hot and as important as AI has said that if you're not in one of those categories, don't apply to our school. So yes, it's tragic to children, but it's tragic epistemologically to science, to truth. It's unbelievable.

A (37:03)

There's going to be a lot of guys given a first time hand job going, give me that grant.

B (37:08)

It is.

A (37:09)

Come on, come on. It was obvious.

B (37:12)

Hold on, I might have to think about that joke.

A (37:16)

No, think it through, Viva. It makes sense. All right, finish us up here.

B (37:19)

Oh no, I was just going to say like, it's. We will look back on it the way we look back at.

A (37:23)

Don't think too hard, Viva.

B (37:24)

Lobotomies. No, but it is. And again, it's, it's. Everybody thinks that The Nazis or Dr. Mengele was a like, was. Was an E. He must have been evil, he must have exuded evil. I have no doubt that all of the atrocities of the past, they found a way to rationalize them under the cloak of morality and virtue. At the time, you know, when they were killing handicaps in, in Nazi Germany, it, it was called mercy killings. What could be more merciful than mercy killings? And now you call it acknowledging trans rights for children who can't drink alcohol because they can't make those types of judgments who can't get a tattoo. But, but it's empowering to them, to listen to them, to mutilate them. And Dave, like you say, it's the most homophobic and misogynist. Homophobic and misogynist. Movement out there because it takes a young gay kid and says, you're actually a girl. Let's mess up your ability to have an orgasm for the rest of your life and then hope that that kid doesn't grow up to have deep, deep resentment to the monsters that did that to him.

A (38:17)

Right. What you're referencing there is what Hannah Arendt called the banality of evil. I mean, basically, you think that these people, like, if you met them, they'd be like a video game character, the bad guy in a video game or a movie. And actually, they were just regular people who started doing terrible things or often did nothing. But. All right, let's leave that there. We'll talk about white people. I love them, but not everybody does. But first, Chef iq. Chef IQ Sense is the wireless cooking thermometer that takes all the guesswork out of holiday meals. Whether it's turkey or prime rib, your food comes out perfect every time, turning. I think it's done into. I know it's perfect. It even tells you when to flip, when to take off the heat, and how long to let it rest. It's basically like having a personal chef right in your kitchen. With Chef iq, you can sip your cocoa and actually enjoy time with your family instead of hovering over the oven. And here's the best part. It's the gift everyone will love. It's perfect for seasoned cooks, kitchen rookies, and everyone in between. This season, give yourself and your loved ones the gift of perfectly cooked meals with Chef IQ and with promo code Reuben, you can save 30% and finish your holiday shopping in one shot. Go to chefiq.com and use promo code Ruben. All right, so white people, they're often getting the short end of the stick these days. Everyone's always attacking white people. And then there's a set of white people who attack themselves. This is Kentucky representative Sarah Stalker, who's having a real time struggle session.

E (39:40)

I'm going to be honest. I don't feel good about being white every day for a lot of reasons, because it's a point of privilege that I get to move through the world in a way that so many of my other colleagues and friends and family members in the community don't get the privilege to do. And I'm just a female, but just a woman. Just a white woman. If I was a white man, I would be functioning from a point of even greater privilege. I think we're missing an opportunity. When kids have a moment to reflect about how the color of their skin does and does not allow them to.

C (40:21)

Move through the world.

E (40:23)

It's running, running to them and trying to stifle that and trying to say you shouldn't feel bad. So we don't want to. We don't want to ever expose you to something that is going to make you have to pause and have maybe some internal feelings. It's a missed opportunity for some really good dialogue.

A (40:40)

I have a great AI Video for that idea for AI Video, which is how far do you think we are, Viva? From someone like her saying that and then literally in the of name next moment taking out a paintbrush and painting herself brown and then saying thus, I will live as a brown woman because I will do it. I'm not just going to say how much I hate myself as a white woman. I will live as an oppressed brown woman. Like, it actually doesn't seem like we'd be that far from someone falling on the sword and trying something that insane.

B (41:12)

Dave, first of all, when I saw that video, it's probably pills.

A (41:15)

You could do Peptides, I assume.

B (41:16)

I thought that video was AI and it's like, before I comment, I just. Can you all confirm that this is a real video? You want to know what white supremacy in its truest form looks like? It's that woman right there who thinks that white people just float through the universe. Like that person from the hills are alive. Like I'm white. She must walk through the universe like look down at brown people and black and say, oh, you wish you were white. I have it so easy. That is white supremacy. To look at a black person or a brown person and say, I have it so much better because I'm white. It's not hatred of self because she'll never paint herself bro Crown. It is absolute scorn and what is it called? The soft bigotry of low expectations. She looks at brown and black people and says they only wish they were white. Nobody thinks that way except for a white supremacist. And you notice the diamonds on our fingers and the nice pearl. You know, the real privilege, if there is one, is financial. Nobody looks at innate characteristics and says it's a privilege. Because by definition, a privilege is something that's only afforded to certain people.

C (42:16)

People.

B (42:17)

Race in biology is not, is not a. Is not a question of that. It's not subject to the morality of privilege. But you know, what is, you know, finances and political privilege, of which she quite clearly has a lot, by the way.

A (42:27)

They're telling me, they're telling me right now she is in fact married to a white man. Gad, you have golden olive skin. So it's a little hard for me to ask you this question without an implicit bias.

C (42:38)

That's right. Well, so two things. Number one, I feel more disgusted with myself around this time of period where my gorgeous tan and natural skin becomes more green. And then I feel more victimized and superior as I come visit you in Florida or California. But I actually. I hadn't locked and loaded this example, you know, in preparation for the show. But as I saw her, it reminded me of a case. I mean, one of the things that. And forgive the plug. One of the things that is fantastic about my forthcoming book. Book is that I have just an. A bewildering number of cases of this kind of suicidal empathy, one of which that really applies to this particular segment. This is a white woman who had, you know, spent her life trying to demonstrate that it is wrong to argue that black men are in any way violent or that they rape women or any. Any of that stuff. It's simply not true. And to the extent that it happens, it's because of white supremacy. So she went to Haiti to stand along with her black brothers, and she found out that unfortunately, a guy took her up to a rooftop and raped her violently all night. And she was shocked as she was telling him, please stop, when she said to him, but don't you realize that I am a Malcolm X fan and a Malcolm X scholar? That didn't stop him from raping her. And then she basically said, but I've learned and have been enriched from the experience. So when you get a white woman getting raped violently by a black man, that is further solidifying the fact that it is white supremacy that's the problem in the world, and that she's been enriched by this rape. I don't think I need more than that one example from my book to sell really well.

A (44:29)

You know, as I'm sure you guys both know that. You know, there's an October 7th parable here, too, because most of the people who were killed down south, they were the peaceniks who were trying everything possible to live with the Palestinians. And in many cases, a lot of them worked in their gardens and farms and things of that nature. Those were the very people who knew exactly where the safe rooms were and all of that stuff. Let me jump over to this video. I've shown a couple of videos of this. This young guy, his name's Nick Shirley, and he just gets out on the street in all of, like, the crazy zones, and he asks questions of people, often putting himself at great Harm watching this. You should be upset with people like me.

B (45:06)

I am.

F (45:06)

That's why I'm gonna rob you, dumbass.

A (45:09)

Why?

B (45:10)

Huh?

F (45:11)

I mean, because you're on indigenous land. Not your land. My land. My people's land is you talking about? I could do whatever the I please on my land. Now give me the phone.

C (45:23)

I need it to help people.

F (45:24)

No, you don't.

A (45:25)

I do.

F (45:25)

No, you don't.

A (45:26)

I got 10. I got $10.

F (45:29)

Give me two, man.

B (45:30)

I know you got more than $30. Show me your wallets.

A (45:32)

I'll bet you got. Go to the bank. Go to the bank.

C (45:34)

Go to.

A (45:35)

Not.

C (45:35)

What?

A (45:36)

Wait, we still getting the phone?

B (45:37)

Let me get the phone.

F (45:38)

And you see this, people? You see how world the cycle works? I said I wouldn't take the phone. My little, on the other hand, I didn't say nothing about this.

C (45:47)

He said he deserves to get robbed.

F (45:48)

Yeah, he did.

C (45:49)

I like people who talk like that.

A (45:51)

I'm gonna do that on the show now.

B (45:53)

Skit, Right?

A (45:54)

That's a skit, as far as we could tell. It is not. I mean, that's not what Nick does. He goes out and he just interviews these people. And what you're getting there is one of these. Well, it's the exact thing that you just laid out there. Gad. It's one of these wafy lefties who thinks that he. I. What did he say? I need my phone to help people. And it's like, give me your damn phone. And how much money do you have? So I don't think it's a skit. And either way, it illustrates a sort of broader point.

C (46:18)

Viva.

B (46:18)

No. Well, I did love. If it is a skit, well played. And if it's not a skit, the ration. I need my privilege. Privilege to help people. So it's the classic. Not in my backyard. That. That white woman. Yeah, I'm. It's so. I. I have it. So privileged, but I'm not giving up my privilege. Well, because there's someone who's that much more privileged than me. The white man. He's going to give up his privilege, then maybe I'll think about it. But I don't want to give up my privilege because I use it to help those underprivileged people who I literally look down on. It's suicidal empathy, Gad. I mean, we've been. You've coined the term. We've been using it for a while. It is empathizing with. Well, I mean, look, suicidal empathy is one thing. It's just the racial superiority. The only people who are apologizing for the privilege of being white are the white supremacists. And it's not a coincidence that is coming from one side of the political spectrum these days.

C (47:04)

Can I give you an example that speaks to that black white dynamic that is also front and center in my forthcoming book? So a Norwegian white man, right? Because we now know that most Norwegians are Somali Somali. But the original Norwegian that were in Norway, this guy was sodomized, was raped by a Somali immigrant. Yes. And after the Somali immigrant served a very, very minimal sentence, maybe two, three years, whatever it was. Because the Norwegians don't believe in punishing people. They're much kinder and so on. When he was let out and he's going to now be deported back to Mogadish, the guy who had been sodomized by him felt terrible angst because now his sodomizer would not be able to maximally flourish in Mogadishu. Well, I'm here to tell you that our emotional system did not evolve to empathize with our rapists. But here we are. You're speechless, Dave.

A (48:09)

It just because it just never ends. It just. Well, yes, you sodomized me, but we wouldn't want to have to send you back.

B (48:16)

It's the same rationale as what is being applied for soft on crime and we see it playing out now in North Carolina is you can't punish because they're committing acts beyond their own control effectively. And so we need to be sympathetic with them. And if they regress again, well, we just need to be even more sympathetic to them the next time around. And it's the price that we have to pay in order to be truly understanding to what we believe is some sort of, you know, sub, sub white behavior. Because that's exactly what that woman stalker is describing in her video. Instead of just treating people as people, criminals as criminals, and not factoring in leniency based on race and not factoring in more punishment based on race.

A (48:57)

Well, as the luminary Jasmine Crockett said this week, committing a crime doesn't make you a criminal. It's more about a mindset. So if you steal the shoes, you're not a criminal. It's only if you kind of think you it's sort of the it's not a lie if you believe it. Let me throw to this video a guy I've been playing a ton of stuff from lately. I think he makes a hell of a lot of sense. This is Palantir CEO Alex Karp talking about the cultural acceptance of targeting white people.

G (49:23)

Our country has selective empathy for everybody but working class, particularly white males. So when you look at, when you look at coverage in mainstream newspapers about the constitutionality of blowing up boats that are bringing fentanyl here, I guarantee you if that fentanyl was killing people at schools we went to presents, potentially your kids are going to. It would be constitutional to blow up those boats. There is selective instrument instrumental use of empathy that somehow is only applied at the point where it would help you.

A (50:01)

Dad, I think you deserve a lot of credit here. You get credit often because Elon's retweeting you left and right these days, but you really did the suicidal empathy, the notion really well, not only did it, the phrase come from you, but that so many people are now finally recognizing.

C (50:17)

It'S.

A (50:17)

Well, I'm just giving you credit. How about that?

C (50:19)

Thank you, I appreciate that. Can I just build on what he just said? Just to add texture to what he said? But I, I appreciate your very kind words. Look, I often the hit pieces are already starting with the book is not out, but a whole bunch of people are writing articles is that, you know, this Bengali behind Elon Musk is the dark Jew who is trying to create a world void of empathy and so on. And of course, I'm not in the least bit saying that. Right. Empathy is a perfectly evolutionarily adaptive strategy. We are a social species. It makes perfect evolutionary sense for a social species to have empathy. But as Aristotle explained to us 2,500 years ago, go in the right place to the right people in the right amount. And that's what the Palantir guy was referring to, right? Not being able to discriminate to whom your empathy should go is what makes it then suicidal.

A (51:17)

Viva. I think when Trump won the election, I think there was a sense that kind of woke was over and we were just going to move past this and all this. And interestingly, I think there was a sort of brief period where it felt like it ended. And now I think the anti white stuff is as strong as ever. There's more people pushing back against it. But the places and the places and the spaces, as they say, where it's accepted, they're still everywhere, where you can just rant and rave about white people without, you know, any fear of retribution or anything.

B (51:48)

Well, there's the old expression that, you know, the end goal of socialism is communism. And now I'm realizing that the end goal is of the Democrat Party is socialism. I mean, what we're What Karp is describing right there, when he phrases it that way, it's materializing as against white working class people right now. But it's basically the same working class structure of, of, of, of, you know, the workers versus the, the elites. And right now the left is trying to court a certain demographic, and the easiest way for them to do that is to pit them against white working class class by vilifying white working class Americans. And it's just an iteration of Marxism. It's an iteration of socialism and it's very effective. And what ends up happening is at some point in time, you know, the black population starts to realize the Democrats only care about them when they can be abused or exploited politically. Same thing for the gays, same thing for Latinos. And then the left needs to find something new to, you know, be the parasite on, because they've already sort of milked all the blood they can out of that demographic traffic. And we're just seeing the moving target. But it is, in my lifetime, it's always been, you know, the white man has been the easiest thing to mock because the Democrats control the media, they control politics for the better part of it, and they have better effective messaging and they've gotten away with it and they've mainstreamed it into movies, commercials, sitcoms and music. But it is, it's the end goal of socialism, and the end goal of that is communism. And that's where they're going.

A (53:09)

Right? So basically, cultural Marxism was just the prequel to, to the real Marxism. Gad, I know you are going to have a field day with this clip. This Minneapolis Mayor, Jacob Fry, and he's very excited because we're doing a little Islamic call to prayer in Minneapolis these days. I wanted to talk to you about.

B (53:29)

A few issues that are important for me, both what we have done and also what we're going to do. I was the first mayor in the entire country to allow for call to.

A (53:40)

Prayer in Adan five times a day. Dad, this is your other area of expertise. Yes, I'm big on noise ordinances. I've now realized that if you remember the original Caddyshack, the guy, what's his name? That great actor with the white hair. What the hell was his name? He was in Too Close for Comfort. Ted Knight.

C (54:02)

Oh, Rodney Dangerfield.

A (54:04)

No, not Rodney. Ted Knight. He was the, he was the stuck up one. And he talks about how he's into noise ordinances and it's like I'm kind of into them now because I don't care. Wherever you are in America, you should not be subjected to the Muslim or any other call to prayer five times a day and that does not make you a bigot or anything else.

C (54:24)

Am I wrong? No, you're right. And I've used. I'm sure you're both familiar with it. The boiling frog parable is perfectly suited for this, right? In marketing it's called the just noticeable difference. And let me explain, let's say a chocolate manufacturing company company wants to increase the price of their candy bar. If they increase the price, the consumers will notice. So instead what they'll do if it's 100 gram bar for a dollar, what if we reduce it to 95 grams for a dollar? Effectively we have reduced the price, but psychophysically if when you pick it up it falls below the just noticeable difference, then you won't know. So what the Islamic you know, we will use your miserable freedoms against you are doing is. But why do you care if we're just pious people who want to pray and then most empathetic people go that makes sense. Well what do you care if we impose halal on you? You know, halal and kosher are really the same thing. We're really brothers. Okay, that's okay too. Well what do you care if we have special accommodations in universities for prayer rooms for mon Muslims, it's because they have to pray five times a day. And so each of them separated seem like okay, it's a reasonable concession. And then you close your eyes and you wake up in the morning and everybody is in a burqa. That's exactly how it happens. We should not go for it.

A (55:49)

Well of course also in the societies that they are dominating, they don't make those accommodations for anyone else. Which of course should be noted. But viva. Even if we took the religious component out of this for just a moment, if my neighbor three doors open over five times a day blasted Marilyn Manson, I would not be happy about it. And I would expect the government to do something. Well first I would try to knock on their door and talk to them. But this is Florida and you'd probably get shot. Which I kind of respect.

B (56:16)

Marilyn Manson.

A (56:18)

Yeah, exactly. But even if you remove the religious component, there's something else about the fabric of society here that I just don't think can work.

B (56:26)

Well, I mean someone's gonna say you can't even only just remove the religious component. Cause they're gonna argue what makes religion unique is, is that there's a special carve out in the Constitution for religious protections and people are going to Also, just to steel man the argument, they're going to say, well, if the call to prayer five times a day bothers you, what about church? Afternoon bells from a church? And so you do have to find another angle that's going to respond to those arguments that you know they're going to make. And my bottom line is, you know, you want to practice your religion. That's what the constitution protected. It didn't protect the mass broadcast of it and the imposition of of it on other people. If people take issue with the church bells, you live in a nation that was founded on Christian principles. Whether you like it or not. It might not be a Christian nation, though some argue that it is. You move there, you live there, you live by the dictates of that country. And this is. Some people are going to say viva, you know, well now do the Jews. And you know, up in Westmount, where I used to live, they would put the thing, it's called an aru, like a fishing line around the municipality so that Jews could carry umbrellas because it would be within a perimeter of their home, home. And you know, and some people say, like, I don't want a fishing line, even if it's as infinitesimally non observable as a fishing line. I don't want these types of municipal concessions for religious beliefs. And I can understand that you, you live in Quebec as a province. If you don't want to speak French, there are plenty of other English provinces to live in. There's plenty of other English countries to live in. You want to practice your religion in peace, that's what America and the Constitution provides to you. Not the right to blast it out for other non Muslims or other people of different religions to have to be subjected to on a daily basis. Much in the same way, hey, you want to slaughter animals the way you do back in certain countries, we're not going to tolerate that on the streets either, even if it's customary in the lands from which you moved into this one, you assimilate and you abide by the rules of the country that you move to. If you don't like them, there's plenty of other places for you to stay or go.

A (58:16)

Gad, can you address, because I. Viva, that was really well said. Can you address the. Maybe a little bit of distinction as it relates specifically on the religious side, because the Arab that he's talking about or the bells that may go off once a week, to me there is some distinction there between that and the call to prayer in terms of a Proselytizing religion that is designed to make people submit. But I'm actually sympathetic to what Viva just said right there. Like I can fully get the secular argument that you could potentially ban all of it. I don't think banning church bells is a good idea, but I can, I can get on board some of that. Sort of philosophically.

C (58:52)

Yeah, look, B. Boxing is a sport that starts with the letter B and badminton is a sport that starts with the letter B. Yet they don't have equal proclivity of causing brain damage. Right. Despite the fact that an imbecile would place them as they're both B and they're both sports. So religions are grossly different from each other because their contents match matter. In Judaism, it is strictly forbidden to proselytize. As a matter of fact, if you want to join the club, we're going to put you through so many obstacles that short of you being incredibly committed spiritually to becoming a Jew, you're going to say, this is not worth my time, I'm out. Whereas in Islam you say one sentence publicly and voila, you've become Muslim. This is why Islam as a marketing practice, practice is brilliant. Two billion people. Jews suck in marketing their religion. They've been 15 million. How much were they around the Holocaust? It was about 50 million as well. We just, we're about the same as we were back then, right? Precisely because the content of the religion matters. So when you come into the west and you're few in numbers, you play victim. But the why God? Why God? Right? I mean I understand this, I speak this language, I get it in every one of its types of. But once we become sufficiently dominant and we don't have to be majority, but we have to be more than 15, 20%. Good Night Free society.

A (60:22)

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B (62:14)

Well, it's funny, I had. It was a long time ago, Neil Oliver, you know, the British, the British journalist, he was on my channel, he said something I haven't forgotten, and it applies in a variety of circumstances. We were talking about something where I said, you know, is the government getting too big to fail? And he said, no, it's getting too big to succeed. Like, it's getting too big to survive. And there's a, you know, like stars get big and they get so big they collapse and they become black holes and, and then, you know, they still go through cycles. This is going to be bad for business and bad for creativity, and it's going to get too big to survive. Like, Netflix is having its problems already with the scandal with Stranger Things, which I'm now thoroughly on the fence of, was absolutely, you know, CP obscene. But they're going to merge. They're going to lose creativity. They're going to have a monopoly to some extent, but they're going to go bankrupt and they're going to lose eyeballs to totally independent creators and especially to potentially AI independent creators, creators that are gonna make more compelling crap than what we're getting from these people. So they'll get so big and then like a star, they'll collapse and, and, or blow up into a supernova. They're gonna get Too big to survive. And I see that's where it's going.

A (63:18)

You know, it's interesting. That's exactly the question I was gonna ask AD and I've been watching, you know, Star Wars. Everyone knows my feelings about it. It's been so wrecked by Disney and everything else. And most people agree with that. And I've caught on YouTube lately, a few AI created their short videos, you know, like four minutes or so, AI created Star wars movies by fans. And although the AI is so obviously it doesn't look quite as good as what Disney could pump out, the stories are so much richer, so much more interesting and compelling and truthful and fit the archetypes that they're supposed to and everything else. So gad, is that really the sort of silver lining here? It's like these companies can all do whatever the hell they want, but we are on a technological precipice of you will be able to create whatever you want, and if you can't create it for yourself, someone will create it for you, you, and it'll just be more authentic and real than what a corporation.

C (64:10)

Can pump out and the free market will react to it. To our earlier point when we were talking about people leaving California as the ultimate metric of what people feel about California, the same thing will happen here. I'll mention another example that you're probably both familiar with. So woke capitalism is very much rooted in suicidal empathy because you're not trying to maximize the fiduciary responsibility of maximizing short term profits for your stakeholders, shareholders. There is a higher goal here. You have to elevate marginalized voices. So you probably both remember the Jaguar ad campaign where it just showed a bunch of outrageous sort of two spirit non binary and so on, without a single car within 17 miles of that thing. And do you remember what in his beautiful pithiness, Elon wrote as a response, he said, hey, do you still sell cars? Right? And guess what happened? They had a catastrophic reaction from the market. So the good news is we are still a somewhat free society. And the free, the invisible hand of the market, as Adam Smith taught us, will punish these idiots.

A (65:23)

You know, we covered that ad and if I'm not mistaken, that campaign, they sold something like 11 cars. That's how absolutely insane it was. Guys, let's end with this because it's a Friday, it's been an emotional week and I want to do something with midgets.

C (65:36)

Go.

H (65:38)

But the moment we have dwarf roles, which are the most famous dwarf roles in Hollywood history, then the only people apparently who can't play them are dwarf actors. And I see there it's a cartoon hypocrisy. It has not changed. It was a cartoon. Those weren't actually dwarfs in the movie. They were drawn. Okay, so firstly they were drawn as dwarves. No, that is.

B (66:00)

But it's a story of dwarves.

A (66:01)

Dwarves.

H (66:02)

Well, they shouldn't be called. They shouldn't be called dwarves. No, they should be called people with dwarves. What's wrong with being called dwarves?

B (66:08)

But that's not the. That's the story, Dylan.

H (66:10)

Apparently, usually you're not allowed to call yourself apparently, Dylan. You're not allowed to call yourself dwarves, apparently.

B (66:18)

I would love to hear what should I call myself, sir?

H (66:20)

I think you should call yourself whatever you feel comfortable with. I'm actually exposing the hypocrisy of the woke mentality of only gay people can play gay parts. Only trans actors can play trans parts, and so on and so on and so on. I think we will get to the point. Right to the point. Snow White and the seven Dwarves has to be cancelled because you're not allowed to have dwarfs. You should be happy, Piers, because it means that now you can play your.

A (66:42)

Dream role of grumpy, that leftist dingbat. I think his name's Owen something or other. The fact that he's there, he's a mental midget telling an actual midget what he should be. Yeah. Gad, go ahead.

C (66:53)

Can I give you a personal story that. That, I don't know, lady boy. Last, whenever I appear on Pierce, I always tell the producers I only do one on one because I don't want to do that whole stuff that Pierce does. And so they said, okay, absolutely, professor, we promise you. So it was supposed to be me and Pierce talking ostensibly about his latest book, you know, the end of Wokeness. And so. And then they said it was a technical glitch. I'm not sure it was. Then I was ambushed by all of these woksters, including that ladyboy. I think I was rather calm and collected, but yes, I am intimately familiar with that mental midget.

A (67:37)

Gad, I'm not that familiar with the technical part of what goes on here, but I will confer with Conor after it. I'm pretty sure that was not a technical error on their part. That was what we call a sandbagging in the industry. Viva bring us home.

B (67:50)

Well, better a sandbag in the. The teabagging. And Piers Morgan still has me blocked on Twitter. That coward. I'll bring you home. We just saw the male incarnate of Sarah Stalker from earlier on she's ashamed of being white and he is telling the the dwarf that he can't call himself dwarf because the big white man knows what's better for the dwarf than the dwarf himself. This is dwarf denialism this is erasure of dwarfedom from the world. That white dude saying you you dwarf dwarves who had a market in movies if only because you know you're playing the dwarves or comedian whatever it might not be right but at least you had jobs now he's saying no you're all going to be out of work and you're going to have to go back to the the freak show circuses who's the guy that did it? P.T. barnum you're gonna have to go to be a P.T. barnum sideshow and no longer mainstream acceptance that is the pet projects that white liberals have they like to control people who they consider to be their inferiors.

A (68:42)

Gentlemen you are both pro dwarf and intellectual giant. Have a nice weekend.

B (68:48)

Thank you.

H (68:48)

You.