Kamala Gets Visibly Angry as Her Disaster Interview Ends Her 2028 Election Chances

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Kamala Gets Visibly Angry as Her Disaster Interview Ends Her 2028 Election Chances"
The Rubin Report | Host: Dave Rubin | Guests: Clay Buxton & Buck Travis
Date: October 31, 2025

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Overview

On this Halloween-themed episode, Dave Rubin is joined by radio hosts Clay Buxton and Buck Travis for a lively, humorous, and often biting take on the week’s political events. The centerpiece is Vice President Kamala Harris’s disastrous book tour and her awkward handling of tough questions about Biden’s cognitive decline—leading the trio to declare her 2028 chances finished. The episode veers through Democratic succession (with a focus on Gavin Newsom’s ambitions), the state of mainstream and left-wing media, the cultural battles around free speech, and a look ahead to technological upheaval like home robots. The tone is irreverent and satirical but digs deep into the perceived failings of Democratic leadership and media.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kamala Harris’s "Disaster" Interview and Election Prospects

• [02:02] Rubin presents a tense interview clip where Australian journalist Sarah Ferguson repeatedly presses Kamala Harris on Joe Biden’s cognitive decline, and Harris dodges while growing increasingly irate.
• The hosts dissect Harris’s evasive answers, suggesting she’s in an impossible position: admit complicity in covering up Biden’s decline and look duplicitous, or deny everything and appear disconnected.
• Buck Travis bets Harris will not even run in 2028: "I think she's going to become the provost of, as I've said, a third tier UC school." (03:26)
• Clay Buxton believes Kamala will run by “trying to be born again: the truth-telling Kamala” but is doomed by her loyalty defense. (06:19)

Notable Quote

"She either got screwed over by Biden...or they hid his dementia. And if that's the case...she more than anyone else is responsible for hiding his dementia." - Buck Travis [04:56]

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2. Democratic Succession: Gavin Newsom in the Spotlight

• [08:23] Gavin Newsom is painted as next-in-line, running "shameless" cover for Biden and angling for national sympathy as an untainted alternative.
• Clay grudgingly admits Newsom is more likable than other Dems: “If you told me...you have to go have a beer and watch a game with somebody...I think he would actually be somewhat entertaining...Now is he an awful irredeemable liar? Of course...” (11:29)
• Buck argues Newsom is the "inevitable Democrat nominee," poised to deliver Obama-like rhetorical pivots and likely to choose AOC as his running mate.

Notable Quote

"He's the perfect vessel for [saying anything to win]. Kamala's not even a good liar." - Buck Travis [14:14]

Memorable Moment

• [10:42] Newsom compared on-air to Patrick Bateman from "American Psycho," with Newsom responding wryly but not denying the accusation.

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3. Mainstream Media and Legacy Media Critique

• Fiercely critical of how outlets like "The View" and CNN carry water for Democrats, rarely challenge their guests, and lack intellectual rigor:
  • [24:54] Whoopi Goldberg’s auto-pen defense sets off a riff on low-information punditry.
  • [26:12] Clay argues legacy media behaves like boxers who “never spar”—protected from real debate, unable to defend their ideas under scrutiny.
• The hosts bemoan what they see as a left-wing media echo chamber, insulated from ideas and competition, leading to lazy, uninformed arguments.

Notable Quotes

"The View is meant to be an emotional, safe space for people who have feelings about politics but don't actually spend the time to know anything about any of the issues." - Buck Travis [27:53]

"Their arguments are flabby and don’t require much pushback to defeat." - Clay Buxton [26:12]

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4. Biden’s Auto-Pen Scandal and Cognitive Decline

• Discussed House investigation into the use of an auto-pen for Biden’s pardons, implying his cognitive inability to perform even ceremonial duties.
• Hosts agree nothing will happen legally, but push for transparency to expose what they maintain was an open secret.
• [29:57] CNN’s Scott Jennings denies evidence of Biden’s decline, which Clay ridicules as ignoring the “circumstantial evidence” visible to all.

Notable Exchange

"There's tons of actual medical evidence, by the way...If your grandpa suddenly can't remember your name, that's evidence that he might have a dementia related issue." - Clay Buxton [32:09]
"There's no medical evidence to say that. Now that's a political talking point for some of you on the right…” - Scott Jennings [29:57]

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5. Lefty Podcast Space & Free Speech Culture Wars

• [36:03] Play a clip from left-wing podcaster Jennifer Welch attacking Riley Gaines with coarse invective; hosts lament the lack of able, civil left-wing argumentation in podcasting.
• Both Buck and Clay argue that right-wing commentators are more “battle-hardened,” having survived on Internet merit, while the left inherited media platforms, never having had to defend or sharpen their arguments.
• General agreement: modern left media attacks people personally rather than offering reasoned arguments—a sign of cultural “winning” for the right.

Notable Quotes

"The Internet was a meritocracy...the left prefers top-down structure, which doesn't work." - Clay Buxton [44:10]

"They believe that we are evil...Hitler incarnate because they're morons...They aren't exposed to the counter argument." - Clay Buxton [43:06]

Memorable Moment

• [42:03] Jennifer Welch says she’s glad Charlie Kirk is dead and may even wish others to die—used as evidence for coarsening discourse on the left.

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6. Tech Disruption: Robots and AI in Everyday Life

• [49:40] A wry discussion about the coming wave of household robots, concerns about privacy, and the larger threat of automation to jobs.
• [51:07] Clay points out the larger, more worrying trend is white-collar job outsourcing to AI, not just physical robot intrusion.

Memorable Moment

[53:42] Joking about the “discreet” use of robots: “That was your way of saying you’re going to fuck the robots.” - Dave Rubin

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7. Show’s Closing: Halloween Traditions & Cultural References

• Lighthearted wrap-up about Halloween costumes, sons obsessed with Ghostbusters, and print newspapers.
• Reminiscing about childhood, old-school New York, and generational change.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• "She either got screwed over by Biden...or they hid his dementia. And if that's the case...she more than anyone else is responsible for hiding his dementia."
  — Buck Travis [04:56]

• Gavin Newsom: "I will defend [Biden's legacy] to my grave...." [08:23]

• Regarding The View:
  “The View is meant to be an emotional, safe space for people who have feelings about politics but don't actually spend the time to know anything about any of the issues.”
  — Buck Travis [27:53]

• On Mainstream Media’s Weakness:
  "Their arguments are flabby and don’t require much pushback to defeat.”
  — Clay Buxton [26:12]

• On Podcast Meritocracy:
  "The Internet was a meritocracy...the left prefers top-down structure, which doesn't work."
  — Clay Buxton [44:10]

• Lefty Host’s Remark:
  “You're an insufferable twat. Nobody likes you except for other fake Christians...[who] enjoy watching children get zip tied.”
  — Jennifer Welch [36:03]

• On Tech & Robots:
  "I think the maybe more terrifying aspect of this is...I don't know how many jobs are going to exist in 15 or 20 years."
  — Clay Buxton [51:07]

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Essential Timestamps

• [02:02] Kamala Harris grilled on Biden's frailty
• [03:26 - 05:36] Harris’s nomination bets and dissection
• [08:23] Gavin Newsom praises Biden, eyes nomination
• [10:42] Newsom and the Patrick Bateman comparison
• [24:54] Whoopi Goldberg covers for Biden; media critiqued
• [29:57] CNN’s Scott Jennings on Biden's cognition
• [36:03] Harsh attacks from left-wing podcaster Jennifer Welch
• [49:40] Home robots and the coming wave of job automation
• [54:59] Halloween costume traditions

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Summary Conclusion

The episode is a rollicking, comedic, at-times-raucous critique of Democratic infighting post-Biden, Kamala Harris’s floundering prospects, and the peculiar landscape of American media and discourse. Through satirical banter and segues into media criticism and tech speculation, the hosts highlight what they see as the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of the current political and media establishment—while also reflecting on the changing shape of online debate, culture, and looming AI disruption. The show maintains a sharp, sardonic tone, heavy on insider jokes and pointed invective.

Transcript

[Dave Rubin]

All right, guys, I'm Dave Rubin. This is the Rubin report. It's October 31, 2025. That's right, it's Halloween. And I am alternate Dave Rubin in a shirt like you've never seen me in before. And joining me are the hosts of the Clay and Buck show, Clay Buxton and Buck Travis. That's the Halloween twist here, guys. I've combined you into two alternate people who will be half of each. How do you feel about that? Clay seems happier about that than Buck. Buck does not seem happy about that. Clay, you can roll with this sort of thing.

[Clay Buxton]

Well, I just think it sounds creepy, but it does tie in. Since you're gay and Buck's a fan of Polish sausages, there's no telling where this show might go.

[Dave Rubin]

For the record, I'm only gay after 8pm we're shooting this earlier than that. Buck, do you have any comments before we dive in?

[Buck Travis]

I have been called tug sex butt by Keith Olbermann. So nothing. You stay to me. I'm rubber and your glue, my friend.

[Dave Rubin]

Has anyone, anyone else on the Internet not been attacked by Keith Olbermann? I feel like that's just like a standard thing, like if you're going to.

[Clay Buxton]

Be anyone on the Internet, old lesbian. It's so disappointing to see what he's become.

[Dave Rubin]

He really is. He really is. All right, well, basically we're just going to have some Fun for about 45 minutes, get caught up on a couple of the crazy things that happened this week. We're not diving into anything too serious, so why don't we just get right into it? So Kamala Harris, a woman who had a soft coup of the sitting president, who, yes, we know she's black and female. She likes concentric circles. Ukraine small, Russia big, et cetera, et cetera. She's got this book out that, yes, she clearly wrote. Okay. And she's doing a press tour about the book. And a lot of the questions have come around Biden's cognitive ability and when she knew and why she didn't call it out earlier. And I thought this clip was just great. This is a journalist by the name of Sarah Ferguson from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation really pushing Kamala on Biden's decline.

[Sarah Ferguson]

Wasn't Joe Biden then to put it on him, Wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task.

[Kamala Harris]

I ran against Donald Trump for president.

[Sarah Ferguson]

That is a world class pivot. But it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you. The question is about Joe Biden. Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president?

[Kamala Harris]

In what regard, please?

[Sarah Ferguson]

Well, just in terms of that question. So you went on.

[Kamala Harris]

What exactly would you like to ask? Be more specific, if you don't mind.

[Sarah Ferguson]

Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position that put you in the position that made it almost impossible to win that race?

[Kamala Harris]

He was not frail as president of.

[Sarah Ferguson]

The United States, but he had frailties. We all saw the debate.

[Kamala Harris]

I do believe that Joe Biden had the capacity to be president of the United States.

[Dave Rubin]

I mean, talk about a slow moving train wreck. Buck, what do you think her angle is here? I mean, I get it. They were all part of the COVID up and then they can't exactly admit it. You know, it's sort of like Jake Tapper's book and Corinne Jean Pierre's book, and there'll be many other books from these people. But it seems so disconnected from reality. And now her attitude about it seems like it's making it just that much worse.

[Buck Travis]

Well, Dave, you didn't know this before you had the two of us on, but you have stepped right into the middle of a. Of a live fire training exercise here, or perhaps even the battlefield between Clay Travis and myself. Because we have a bet, a very expensive stake bet, because you know how expensive it is down here in Miami when it comes to whether Kamala will even be able to run. We agree that she will not be the nominee. That's just. There's just no way. I don't even think she's going to run. I think she's going to become the provost of, as I've said, a third tier UC school. And then Clay likes to throw some random UC school under the bus. Depends on the day. But. So we're already preparing for, I think, the recognition among the Kamala faithful that she's a disaster.

[Dave Rubin]

Wait, so to be clear, the. The bet is you're saying she will not run at all. And Clay is saying she will run.

[Buck Travis]

I'm saying she won't even run. And Clay is saying. And I think it's unfair because, like, she's probably going to end up running for six weeks or something. And he'll say, I win. But Clay is saying, oh, no, she's going to run because she has nothing else in her life. She has an empty soul and no children. And, you know, that's. That's where Clay goes with this. So here's just on that clip, she's trying to.

[Clay Buxton]

Oh, I read her book, by the.

[Buck Travis]

Way, again, because my esteemed co host there, I told them that I'd become our show's commologist. And so I read her book. I was on a flight to Taiwan.

[Clay Buxton]

I did also read the Jake Tapper book, so occasionally I'll take bullets, but Buck took the Kamala shots, so we traded off.

[Buck Travis]

He read the Tapper book, which was just preposterous. And I read the Kamala book, which was just like two grade levels lower than the Jake Tapper book from the excerpts that I saw. And here's the problem. She can't have it all the various ways she wants to. She either got screwed over by Biden staying in because she hit his dementia or not. Or rather, they hit his dementia. And if that's the case, she more than anyone else is responsible for hiding his dementia. So it can't. So either she has to admit I'm a crap candidate and it's not Joe Biden's fault, or it wasn't my fault, but I helped hide his dementia, in which case it is my fault.

[Dave Rubin]

Wow. Well, first off, let me just say, although Clay and I usually line up on most of these things, when I see him make predictions, I'm pretty much right there with him. I'm with you on this one, Buck. I don't think she's going to run. I think it doesn't make any sense. I don't think there's any momentum there. And we're going to get into Gavin and some of the other things, but. So that'll be my position. If you want, I can throw. Throw in. I'll cook you both the steak on that one.

[Clay Buxton]

How about that?

[Buck Travis]

Well, we want some of your fancy ass tequila if that's there.

[Clay Buxton]

All right, there we go.

[Dave Rubin]

That's easy. That's easy, Clay. Just this to do these interviews. I mean, we're watching this. We watched this with Tapper a couple months ago just get crushed in all of his interviews around his book. We watched this two weeks ago with Corinne Jean Pierre. Just get crushed on all this. And now watching her get crushed on all this, they not realize what they are walking into.

[Clay Buxton]

I think it's her attempt to put it behind her that that's my theory on what she's trying to do with this book. It's to say, hey, that was Biden, you know, 1.0. Now I can be Kamala in full. I'm not signing on to this at all. But I think she's going to say, hey, I was the good soldier. I think this will be her argument when she runs. She will say, I was defending the record of Joe Biden because that's what a vice president does. I was too loyal. I was probably too loyal here. And I think what she's trying to do is argue two things that are very difficult. One, that he was okay for the first term. And now if you watch the way that she's pivoting, it's that, well, maybe he didn't have the ability to serve out the second term. And she's trying to say, I should have been more aggressive. But I think she's going to say, doggone it, I was just too loyal. Because the job of a vice president is to stand behind the president. I think in order to win, she had to burn the bridges in that 2024 campaign. I think she had to say, look, we're in a tough spot because Joe Biden held on too long and I will do a lot of things different. I thought that's where she got in trouble in the View answer. But when she said, well, there's not a thing that comes to mind, I think she had to argue that she was different than Biden. So far she hasn't. I think 2028, Kamala, when they get all the advisors together and they come up with the, you know, McKinsey relaunch plan, will be that Kamala can now say what she truly believes because she's not trying to advocate for Joe Biden anymore. So I think this is about putting that behind her. And Bourne is a new Kamala. The truth telling Com.

[Dave Rubin]

I look, I look forward to seeing who wins the stake here, but either way, it's just no who it is. It's such a freaking clown car for them. It's ridiculous. Which is a perfect segue to Gavin Newsom, who will certainly be in that clown car and he's making the rounds this week. And listen to him running cover for Biden. I just don't get it.

[Gavin Newsom]

And we'll continue to build on the legacy, I would argue, of our former president, who I think was one of the most successful presidents in the last century, and that is Joe Biden. And I will defend that to my grave. In terms of the Chips and Science act, the infrastructure bill, the work he did on the ira, the fact that he had a worker centered industrial policy, and the fact that those are the right policies for this country, they're all getting undone.

[Clay Buxton]

I mean, everything, a lot of them.

[Gavin Newsom]

But not well, many aspects are being celebrated by the Trump administration.

[Dave Rubin]

Buck, everybody knows my feelings about Gavin Newsom, who on this Halloween probably gets to actually just go out as himself and scare children. Why? What, where's the win in doing that for him?

[Buck Travis]

Oh, I think this is, this is peak Newsom in the shamelessness of the maneuver here. Because what he's doing, Dave, is essentially pandering to the entire Democrat electorate in one fell swoop. And here's why. He can get away with it. He wasn't in the Biden White House. He wasn't part of the dementia, cover up or any of that other stuff. He was just busy running the great state of California, which has a really big economy. And this other stuff that he always talks about as if he's somehow responsible for it. So this gives a very clear, emotionally sensitive pathway for all those disappointed Biden voters to you, you voted for the great policies. And I, Gavin Newsom, with my shirt unbuttoned down to my navel, I will give you those policies. But without the dementia that I had no part of whatsoever in the COVID up of, unlike basically all the other clowns who think they're going to run because they were up on Capitol Hill, even senators, even members of Congress, if they think they're going to run, they were much closer to Biden than Gavin Newsom. So that, I think is the clear maneuver here. And it's just the most perfect Gavin Newsom thing. I mean, the guy is, we like to call him oleaginous because it's both word of the day and very accurate.

[Dave Rubin]

Clay, take a look at this next clip from the same interview with Jonathan Karl as he. I'm shocked that he did this. He actually did the thing we all do on the Internet, which is point out that Gavin Newsom is Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. You make of all the Patrick Bateman talk.

[Gavin Newsom]

I don't know, but I mean, I.

[Clay Buxton]

Mean people, people say that you are like American Psycho.

[Gavin Newsom]

Yeah, like I said, new scum.

[Buck Travis]

I mean, but even your friends like.

[Gavin Newsom]

Say this, yeah, I'm gonna re evaluate my guest list.

[Dave Rubin]

I mean, I mean there was, there was a comedian that said a literal comic book villain from central casting, Patrick Bateman vibes. He definitely had someone killed or may have killed someone himself. I think he meant that in a.

[Gavin Newsom]

I still have some humor left. I mean, this is a rough business.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, it is.

[Gavin Newsom]

This is a rough. Particularly if you're willing to fight.

[Dave Rubin]

I'm not kidding. I think that quote might be for me. I've definitely said plenty of things like that. But the fact that he did that to his face and again, he can't even be. It's just everything with him. He's so fucking evil. It's a Friday that can do it once.

[Clay Buxton]

But I think it's kind of likable. I mean, you know, when you consider, when you consider the depths of Democrat despair of the available guys out there. If you told me. Let's just think about it this way. If I told you, you have to go have a beer and watch a game with somebody who's going to run for president as a Democrat. J.B. pritzker, Kamala Harris, AOC Cory fucking Booker. I mean you start running through this list. I know this is a miserable cavalcade of all Eric Swalwell. I mean I can't think of anyone that I would less rather hang out with than life. And then I get Gavin Newsome. And Buck makes fun of this sometimes, but I don't think, you know, you have a glass of wine and you kick back in Napa with Gavin. Compared to the other options, I think he would actually be somewhat entertaining. Now is he an awful irredeemable liar?

[Buck Travis]

Of course.

[Clay Buxton]

Is he have no soul? Yes. But might he say something that would make me laugh? Yes. I can't really imagine any of the other Democrats in any way being enjoyable to have a drink with. Does that make sense? And I'm not saying that I would enjoy it. I'm just saying if I had to draft somebody, I think he would be there. I mean, Katie Porter, look at the other Adam Schiff, the other California Democrats. Like he's not that bad compared to them there.

[Buck Travis]

I'm glad that, that Clay called himself out here, Dave and threw himself under the bus on this one because there's a not small contingent of our audience that worries that Clay perhaps steals off to Napa Valley. Here's some chardonnay with his buddy Gavin Newsome. You know, two swans with great hair and pretty wives who just happen to disagree on politics but love to pick out the notes of black cherry and, and cardamom in, in their vintages. So the audience.

[Dave Rubin]

The Clay and Gavin show. Now that's scary.

[Buck Travis]

Yeah, it's is definitely a bigger Newsome fan than you might anticipate. But I, I do think it. Look, I, I think he's the inevitable. This is one we actually agree on. I think he's the inevitable Democrat nominee and I think AOC becomes his vice. And I think that's just the Democrat ticket. I know it's actually not that far out as we know, it's going to really be determined in about 18 months. So it's not a crazy far out prediction. I just see that that's the way it's going to go, largely because of what Clay said. Yeah, sure. You know, the Democrat Party, you know, you could. You could start to throw some names around, but when you start looking at name recognition, you start looking at just completely an irrepressible urge to lie for power and gain. Gavin Newsom's the best they've got. I mean, Kamala's not even a good liar.

[Dave Rubin]

Right?

[Clay Buxton]

Right.

[Dave Rubin]

He's a. I will give him that. He is a better liar, even though the Internet endlessly debunks all of his nonsense. But my God, man, what a depressing. What a depressing future that is if it's him and aoc. But, Buck, I know you're a. I read this somewhere on the Internet. You're a body language expert, and I want you to take a look at this clip and note his hand motions. Can you help me work through this?

[Gavin Newsom]

I don't think he takes himself seriously, but he iterates. He throws things out and he plays with it and he sees how people react and it manifests meaning. Once a mind is stretched, it never goes back to its original form. And that's my concern. The more we're talking about this, and we need to be. Look at what he's doing with mass agents. Look what he's doing federalizing the Guard. Look what he's doing. Intimidate and voter suppression. That's what he's going to do with the doj. Look what he's trying to do to rig the elections. North Carolina, Missouri, down there, next Florida. Not just in Texas. Look what he's doing in terms of the 230 million that apparently is from his DOJ. All the pardoning, all the this. This great grift, the biggest, most corrupt administration history.

[Dave Rubin]

Buck, I didn't. I didn't even hear anything he said there. I'm just transfixed by the hand motions. He's sort of Tom Cruise in Minority Report moving the screens around. What. What is wrong with this person?

[Buck Travis]

Well, I was honestly distracted by the hint of man cleavage that he had going there. He's just so gosh darn handsome like Patrick. Like Patrick Bateman. He's kind of a Malugian, as we say on the Clay and Buck show, because Bill Malugion's just so.

[Clay Buxton]

Damn.

[Dave Rubin]

Everyone loves.

[Clay Buxton]

He's dreamy.

[Buck Travis]

Yeah, he's a dreamy guy. So I think what you're seeing with Newsom, with the hand gestures, obviously, it's very studied. It's very poll tested and political consultant approved. And that's. That's what you're gonna get with a guy who. This is what he's all about. I will say this. There are some people who, whether it's, you know, Hillary Clinton, you know Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, whatever you think of their shamelessness, their beliefs, everything else, they are obsessed with the idea of being the person in the job. They are obsessed with it. And you actually need to be at some level in this game Now, I think it has to be really an unhealthy level of, like, I'm the only person who can do this. And Gavin Newsom definitely thinks that.

[Dave Rubin]

What's interesting, though. What's interesting, though, is if you watch Trump in the 80s, he's like, I want anyone else to do it, but if no one else will do it, I will do it. That's a fundamental difference. But, Clay, the one line that I got there was, once a mind is stretched, it never goes back. Can you help me work through that one?

[Clay Buxton]

I don't. I was trying to figure out what exactly that means. And I would think that you would want a stretched mind as opposed to an unstretched mind. I mean, I'm not an expert on the stretch mind, but the smaller mind as opposed to a larger mind in general, I think most people would prefer the larger mind. Look, this guy we played on our show, he's now saying that Charlie Kirk, his son, was not a fan of.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Clay Buxton]

The only reason he had Charlie Kirk on as his first guest, he said, was because his son was a fan.

[Dave Rubin]

A super fan. He said. Super fan.

[Clay Buxton]

Yeah. Super fan.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Clay Buxton]

There is a level of lying that Gavin Newsome is comfortable doing that I think is going to serve him well in the Democrat Party, because once you get into a general election, you can't in any way be in favor of many of the things that require you to be in favor of to become the nominee. And I think we just have to prepare ourselves. He's just going to lie and say he never said that. There's going to be ample evidence of him ever saying it. And my prediction is, guys, he's just going to say you can't trust Republicans because they're using AI to make us believe things that are no longer true. Right. Like, he'll. And by the way, that's a good excuse for everybody going forward for any time they don't. But. But I do think that's the world that we have to prepare ourselves for. And the battle probably against J.D. vance, I don't think that Newsom is a low intellect guy. I don't think Kamal is that smart. There's lots of people that have been. I don't think Biden was particularly that smart. I think that Newsom will be a more sophisticated adversary and a more talented adversary than anyone else the Democrats can put forward. Which is why I think ultimately he will be their selection.

[Dave Rubin]

Right. I mean, I will go with you on that. Like his, his ability to have no shame. If you, you guys, I'm sure watch that debate he had with DeSantis two years ago and DeSantis just beat him relentlessly over and over. And he just, he doesn't take a hit. He just keeps going and going and going.

[Buck Travis]

Yeah, I guess sometimes sociopathy is your friend. And for Gavin Newsom, that's definitely the case. And that's why the Patrick Bateman thing, I think other than the physical resemblance, sticks with so many people because he seems like he's that way. I just say one thing, Dave. He also, you're going to hear people that talk about Westmore out of Maryland and you hear people talk about Bashir out of out of Kentucky. You know, Clay knows that whole situation really well. That's actually not what the Democrats, the Democrats need somebody who can pull the Obama of. I'm going to say things to win the election that everyone on the left knows I don't actually believe and they're okay with me saying it at election time because they know when I'm in power, I'm just going to forget all about that. And that is quintessential Gavin News.

[Clay Buxton]

Right.

[Dave Rubin]

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[Clay Buxton]

Yeah, somebody would have to challenge it first of all and say that these pardons and other executive actions were not authorized. And then a judge would have to look at it. It would go a long way. What I think is kind of prima facie evidence of the fact that all of this is true, he hand signed the Hunter Biden.

[Dave Rubin]

Right? Right. That's the one.

[Clay Buxton]

Right. So the ones that he actually really, desperately, personally cared about, he took the time to sign. You've done a lot of books. Buck's got a book coming out I'm signing this weekend, a ton of different books. The whole argument that it's super hard to sign the pardons, I don't even buy. Right. I mean, you can sit and watch a game and just mindlessly click through with all of these signatures without needing an auto pit. Look, I get the idea of an auto pin when it's a constituent letter and you're sending out a million of them or something and you want to make it look like you were involved. But the argument that he didn't have the time to actually sign legitimate pardons, I've always found on its face to be a dishonest argument. Now, will anything come of it? I'm skeptical that there will be A sophisticated and significant enough legal challenge to actually strip it in this scenario.

[Dave Rubin]

Buck, is that the problem with everything? Basically that no matter how egregious the problem is, like, for example, finding out that the President of the United States didn't even know what his auto pen was signing, that nobody ever pays the price, or the few times that anyone pays a price, it's usually the wrong person for the wrong reasons.

[Buck Travis]

Well, yeah, I mean, yes, I. I agree that there's not going to be anyone going to prison over this or anything like that. I think that it is important for the sake of transparency and also politically, people should know that when those, like the three of us, those, those of us who for years were saying, biden's not really calling the shots, it's the people around him, that wasn't just some rhetorical game we were playing. It was an observation of what was clearly going on in that White House. So we were telling the truth about something that seemed farcical or fantastical at the time, but was, like I said, an observation. It was what was really happening. One of the challenges that you see with, with a lot of the, whether it's Russia collusion stuff, this stuff, you know, that all the deep state machinations is that when people have power and a lot of discretion in the government, saying, oh, sorry, I'm just a moron, is often a defense legally, you know, saying, oh, I actually believed that this is what's going on. Right? So, you know, if you roll into someone's house in, like, a swatting incident, for example, if law enforcement rolls in, guns blazing, and you say, hold on a second. How could you have believed this guy who called in from, like, a number in Islamabad and suddenly now some, like, conservative podcaster is like a. Well, if they're so stupid to believe that, they're probably not going to be criminally charged. Right, but this is what I mean. Within the government, there's a lot of ways that you can do really bad things, abuse your authority, pull subpoenas, that there's not a statutory remedy for. There's only. Or, you know, a prosecutorial remedy for. There's only political. Which is why, again, I think it's important they talk about this. But no, no one's going to prison over this.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, there is also a media that will run cover for you the entire time, and it would not be a Halloween episode of the. The Rubin Report if we didn't show you a clip of the View.

[Whoopi Goldberg]

I mean, it's kind of crazy, you know, I, I kind of Agree with him. If you. Instead of investigating a man who is no longer in office, I would like y' all to find out why the US Military is striking vessels without verifying who's in them. Yeah, I want the government shut down to figure out what's going on, because it's getting ready to be the longest one in history. Snap benefits are about to run out. Soybean farmers in financial crisis. And of course, there is the unreleased Epstein file.

[Dave Rubin]

Yes. All right, so, Clay, of course, she's running cover for the auto pen situation, but I think what's more interesting about that clip is that she's reading everything she said right there. We do hours. We do hours on air. You guys, what you gu know about soybean.

[Clay Buxton]

Soybean farm. Soybean farmers.

[Buck Travis]

Whoopi's prime for soybean. She doesn't even know where the soybean.

[Dave Rubin]

Farmers live, which, by the way, Trump just signed a major deal with China related to soybean. But. Okay, but putting that aside, the fact that she's reading all of that, really, in such an obvious manner, you know, she usually fakes it a little bit better, or maybe the prompter is a little bit better, but that she's. Look, she's pretending to be outraged, but she has to look down and read to figure out what she's outraged about. Isn't that a perfect summation for what television has become?

[Clay Buxton]

It's also why they won't have actual guests to debate actual issues on that program, because they don't actually do the work. And to me, that was. You mentioned that debate between Gavin Newsom and Ron DeSantis. What really stood out to me was the degree to which Gavin Newsome is protected by media, such that he's not prepared when anybody pushes back against him. And I do think that's part of why legacy media, and also the Democrat Party, which is upheld by legacy media, has been losing so much in the marketplace of ideas because their arguments are flabby and don't require very much pushback to defeat. They're like a boxer that doesn't actually ever get in the ring and spar. And then suddenly, when you take a punch, you don't know how to handle it. And so the result is you're trying to protect your side from having its opinion challenged. There's a lot of people out there who could agree or disagree with everything that we argue. I think we could probably, on this program, all argue the other side better because we've done the research and we've spent the Time on the issues. There's almost no one on the left who could argue our side because they're not even familiar with that argument.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, that's a great point. And we'll have more on that, that concept in just a second about how they really are a bunch of boxers who never spar and never get a competitor that's worthy. But, Buck, I mean, also, there's. There's a general take from that show and the way they do everything that they just don't know what they're saying. They. They don't know. It's not that the politicians don't know. They can. Like, their politicians don't know, that's one thing. But also they don't know. That's like a lot.

[Buck Travis]

Yeah, well, Dave, to be fair, low IQ people need their pundits too, right? I mean, you look at the show, and if you're going to be. Or low information, I guess we could say low information. Voters want to be a little more charitable, but those things, I think, in this case are pretty, pretty synonymous. The View is meant to be an emotional, safe space for people who have feelings about politics but don't actually spend the time to know anything about any of the issues. And to the point about not being able to make the case, the people on the View can't make the case. Right. And I think that the only authenticity they can offer that audience is the shared ignorance that they all have. So while they're paid millions of dollars to know something, at least they make the people who aren't doing that at home feel good. Because, wow, Whoopi and Joy and the other chicks at that table, I don't know who they are. Oh, wait, who's the really mean one?

[Dave Rubin]

Oh, Sonny, Hasi.

[Clay Buxton]

Thank you. Yeah, we all, by the way, we. How about the fact that we all know when he says the mean one, we're all like, oh, yeah, she's gorgeous.

[Buck Travis]

She's the most. I mean, she is just the classic, like, most bitter.

[Clay Buxton]

And by the way, Alyssa Farr Griffin is the pretty one.

[Dave Rubin]

She's the Republican. They give her a cookie on.

[Buck Travis]

She's, she's, she's, she's not so bad.

[Clay Buxton]

The other thing I think that's, that's here, too, Buck, and you know, is they have huge staffs, so it's a willful ignorance. You know, it's not just that they won't do the work, it's that they won't let the staff do the work for them to actually inform.

[Dave Rubin]

I think that's a great Point, because that's what, what I mean by when Whoopi's looking down, imagine the three of us, we're on, on air hours a day. Imagine having to fake your emotion because you have to read what you're angry about. That's, that's the, it's just beyond the pale. But let's jump over to something else in legacy media. Cuz there is, there's basically one guy in legacy media who's fighting the good fight. You already know who I'm talking about. It's Scott Jennings over at cnn. And here he is getting into it with another panelist about this Biden cognitive issue.

[Clay Buxton]

And he was, I think we all acknowledge, and the reporting is very clear, in severe cognitive decline.

[Dave Rubin]

And so the committee had.

[Clay Buxton]

The committee, the committee. You don't agree he was in cognitive decline?

[Dave Rubin]

No, you're not.

[Scott Jennings]

Because there's no medical evidence to say that. Now that's a political talking point for some of you on the right, but there's no evidence to point to that.

[Clay Buxton]

Dr. Scott, do you know.

[Scott Jennings]

Dr. Scott, do you have evidence?

[Clay Buxton]

Do you know why the President's physician took the Fifth Amendment before the committee?

[Dave Rubin]

No.

[Scott Jennings]

The same reason why Republicans have taken the fifth Amendment under oath.

[Clay Buxton]

If you're here to argue the sharpness of Joe Biden, I commend you on your effort.

[Scott Jennings]

I'm not here to argue that. I'm just saying there's no medical evidence to point. There was some cognitive details.

[Clay Buxton]

Do you have eyes and ears? I think you do.

[Scott Jennings]

I do.

[Dave Rubin]

Okay.

[Scott Jennings]

The same eyes and ears saw.

[Clay Buxton]

And here's the thing.

[Scott Jennings]

President prevented a government shutdown during his time. We talked about the bipartisan legislative agenda that he put together. So I do have eyes and ears.

[Dave Rubin]

And you do too, Buck. The apparent evidence that cognitive decline was not part of Biden's melting brain is that he prevented a government shutdown. Help me work through that one.

[Buck Travis]

I got to say, I love that the Democrats shoved Biden out the window essentially in the White House, like just threw him onto the, the South Lawn and said, you're not president any. Or you know, you're not the nominee anymore. And we're still having this debate. This is, it's a little bit like when Democrats do that thing because Clay and I will talk sometimes about the sports stuff, including 200 pound man with like, you know, more robust beard than I or than any three of us, quite honestly. We're all kind of like the, the little beard category and, and we'll be throwing around a bunch of girls, you know, on the field hockey. Field hockey field. And they'll be saying, what are you, a biologist?

[Dave Rubin]

Right.

[Buck Travis]

It's like, well, no, but I know what a 200 pound dude looks like. I don't think I have to be a biologist. But they'll actually use that as a talking point. The same thing here. Like there's no medical. Yeah, there's no medical evidence of the fact the Democrat party defenestrated a sitting president from his campaign two or three or whatever, three months before the election because his brain was scrambled eggs. I think that's all the evidence a normal person would need. Scott Jennings, very patient there.

[Dave Rubin]

Clay, I know you like a good conspiracy theory. How about this one? Maybe the people of CNN are actually on our side and that's why they put these dingbats on with Scott.

[Clay Buxton]

I mean, I was rolling my eyes watching that. I legitimately wonder who the audience is that is consuming this content. There's tons of actual medical evidence, by the way. I mean, I thought Scott Jennings could have pushed back, like we don't have to be doctors to think that something could be wrong on an evidentiary basis. If your grandpa suddenly can't remember your name, that's evidence that he might have a dementia related issue. You're not a doctor, but you can see that. Anybody who watched the June 27 debate and oh, by the way, we talked about this on the program the other day because I thought it was a good question for Karine Jean Pierre as part of her disastrous book tour. Has she ever apologized to Robert? Her. Robert Hurst sat across from Joe Biden for hours, quizzing him on the classified documents that he got. The only reason he said there was not going to be a prosecution was because, based on his observation, a jury would find Biden to be old, befuddled, and incapable of committing a crime because his brain didn't work well enough. That's all evidence. One of my favorite analogies, quickly is circumstantial evidence. People say, oh, circumstantial evidence is awful. It's actually oftentimes some of the most important. You go to bed at night and when you went to bed, there was no snow on the ground. And you wake up and there's snow on the ground. The fact that it snowed overnight is circumstantial. Right, because you didn't see it yourself. But it's pretty strong evidence that the snow came down. Right. And so there was tons of circumstantial medical evidence that Biden was incapable. To buck's point, Democrats kicked him out of the nomination because of people have.

[Buck Travis]

Watched too much Law and Order. When the defense says that's circumstantial, whatever. Yeah. A lot of people are in prison for life because of circumstantial evidence.

[Dave Rubin]

Everybody, right? Yeah, exactly.

[Clay Buxton]

It could actually be really the most perfect evidence, especially when you add it all up together and look at it in totality.

[Dave Rubin]

What's the reverse of circumstantial evidence? What's hardcore evidence?

[Clay Buxton]

Eyewitness. All right.

[Dave Rubin]

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[Jennifer Welch]

One thing I want to say about Riley Gaines as she sits there and has the moral high ground against aoc. When I look at people, if I were to say who's more Christ, Like, I would pick AOC and the atheist Jew Bernie Sanders and the Muslim Zoran Mamdani a million times every year. Riley Gaines. Because Riley Gaines, all you do is hate on people. You are wound up like a cheap clock over trans people. You show them no grace, no compassion. You defend billionaires. You cheer and celebrate when children are zip tied. And then you have the audacity to get on television and try to lecture people who fight for the people that are suffering, that stand and put their arms around people that need sanctuary. And you try to act like you're better than they are. You're an insufferable twat. Nobody likes you. Nobody likes you except for the other fake Christians that enjoy in their spare time watching children get zip tied and then sit there and justify it while they read the Bible with their hideous crucifix crucifixes around their necks.

[Dave Rubin]

So you, Riley Gaines Clay, like, that's what's going on in the lefty podcast space. Like we cannot find better versions of that. I mean, and just all of the stuff she said about Riley is just so profoundly, profoundly absurd.

[Clay Buxton]

Yeah, we talked about this on the show, Buck and I did. And we brought Riley on earlier this week before this one, because aoc, out of nowhere, kind of came in like Simone Biles did and just attacked her. And I told Riley this. I mean, I would love to get attacked like this because what it represents is how effective she's been. And the reason she's been effective is one of their top arguments is, I don't know why you care.

[Buck Travis]

Right?

[Clay Buxton]

I don't know why you care. Well, Riley cares because she had to swim against a dude tucking his cock and balls into a women's swimsuit and pretending that he was in fact a chick and they gave him a women's NCAA championship at the swimming meet that she was in a couple of years ago. And look, I, I, I, I think that they are losing culturally, and so they go directly to nasty attacks. And I think these things get ended really rapidly. But everybody would say a 16 year old playing 12 year old little league baseball shouldn't be able to do it because to Buck's point earlier, we can just see with our own eyes that somebody who is 12 is different than somebody who's 16 and a half. Somebody who's gone through puberty and dominating little kids shouldn't be able to compete. Well, a man shouldn't be able to compete in women's sports. And I don't think they have a good answer for it. And so now they're just going directly to derogatory personal attacks because Riley's story is so powerful and I think it's a sign of the culture shifting in our wins.

[Dave Rubin]

Buck, let me read Riley's response to that clip right there. She said, they say these things about me merely because I said men are not women. That's it. If you share that belief, they think the same thing about you. Such harsh words, praying for these women. What do you think about just the sort of the, the general notion here of the lefty podcast space, like am I not giving the devil his due here? Is there a, do you know of a rich tapestry of people that will engage with ideas and maybe offer us a bit more. We're going to show one more clip of Jennifer Welch. But is there, am I missing something here?

[Buck Travis]

No. And, and this is the result of the ecosystem in the media that we all, we all came up in, right? Dave, I mean you there, there used to, there was a time when there were like a handful of online written publications. There was Fox News, maybe a few jobs in talk radio or local radio. I mean in the pre podcast era and you had all these left wing outlets to the point where you, I mean you could get, get fired from HuffPo and get hired by the New Yorker and go from CNN to MSNBC to PBS to abc. Like they had all of this control of the media ecosystem and they were able to largely insulate themselves from the skill set that we were just talking about, which is understanding the issues and having to be or being able to make the argument for your side. So they kind of just got intellectually, you know, fat and lazy on all this stuff. And they have not been, they have not been sharpening their minds or their skill set. And so that's why when the Internet opened up a bit and we got, you know, shows like yours and, and you know, YouTube and, and Elon bought X. I mean already Twitter was useful, but once X happened, you'll notice I Clay and I was joking about this. I never get piled on anymore. Like I never have some random CNN anchor who all of a sudden is getting like a million people agreeing with him, saying how dumb I am. And, you know, that is a result entirely of the ecosystem, of the, the playing field not being tilted in their favor. So, you know, I think that we're going to see more and more of this. I would love it if there were left wing outlets that were worth going on, like if, if Matto wanted to have me on, to actually have a discussion in primetime on msnbc. But here's the other problem, Dave. The left, and you know this, and Clay knows this, the left has trained their audience that they should not even be subjected to the real argument from the other side, which is why the only people you see as conservatives on MSNBC or the, you know, the, the pretty one from the View are people who are fake Republicans who have turned on the Republican Party, right?

[Dave Rubin]

They're always anti Trump conservatives so that they're basically just neutered pets. That's why I always say they, at the end of every week, they give Alyssa Farah a cookie and they say, thank, that was nice, and cashier check and go. I want to play one other clip of her because to your point, it's like they. What happens then is they don't refine their ideas and then you end up with this type of hysteria.

[Clay Buxton]

Charlie Kirk, ma'.

[Buck Travis]

Am.

[Clay Buxton]

Yeah, him is horrible.

[Dave Rubin]

Horrible.

[Jennifer Welch]

Charlie Kirk is horrible?

[Clay Buxton]

Yes. I'm glad he's not here. You're glad he's dead? Yes. Why would you say something like that, ma'?

[Dave Rubin]

Am? Because he was horrible on the campuses, the college campuses.

[Clay Buxton]

Horrible person. You know what? I do the exact same thing. Would you be glad if I would die?

[Dave Rubin]

Maybe.

[Jennifer Welch]

So listen up, Democratic establishment. You can either jump on board with this or we're coming after you in the same way that we come after Maga and that woman out in somewhere middle America saying, Charlie Kirk, he was a racist. He was a piece of. There are so many more of us, Clay.

[Dave Rubin]

I mean, to me that's like the perfect encapsulation of everything we're fighting all the time. A radicalized, you know, woman that appears to be a grandma probably, who literally is now wishing death. She's happy that Charlie died and then apparently happy if this other woman died. And then a podcaster who basically is like, yes, we need more of that energy. And that's to the backdrop of a friend of all of ours who is now dead.

[Clay Buxton]

Look, they believe that we are evil and they Believe that we are Nazis and that we are Hitler incarnate because they're morons. But because I think Buck hit on this and I think you would sign off on it too. They aren't exposed to the counter argument. They don't understand what we would argue in favor of or against. And this is where I'll give credit to the Internet, which is always a little bit dangerous. I like that you were talking, Buck was talking about how all of the left protected itself. They had so many media organizations that would employ people. All of us had to initially make a living in some way on the Internet. And, and I love that I always think about this analogy of it. It's remember in the, the Batman movies when Bane says, you know, I was born in the darkness and he's like explaining why Batman can't you merely live in it now? Or whatever. That's a great monologue, right?

[Dave Rubin]

I think the Internet, that's my main impression. People love it. People just adopted the darkness.

[Clay Buxton]

So I think the reason this is my big theory, this is in the new book, my big theory on a large scale of why the right is winning now is because the Internet was a meritocracy and you had to fight in the muck and in the mud and you had to build attention for yourself instead of somebody saying, hey, you get to be a columnist at the New York Times now and everybody just sees you and you're supposed to be brilliant. Like, we had to actually get messy and fight our way up. One of my buddies says, another part of the analogy. He's like, you go to public school, you, you either go to jail or you end up, you know, having success in life. Because like, and it's obviously an exaggeration, but he's talking about like, you're in the real muck. You're not going to an elite private school. He's like, like, you go to an elite private school, you'll make $200,000 a year, but you don't have the toughness to end up CEO right now there's some truth to that. And I think the Internet is a, as a general rule, a meritocracy. And the top down structure, which the left prefers, doesn't work. MSNBC is collapsing and now what is everybody doing? Going to grab guys and gals on the Internet and put them on television, put them on radio, and it works because we had to compete.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, well, that, that point that Clay just made right there, I think is a really interesting one. It seems to me that in their death throes right now where we are bigger than them and yet they still are in some sense are the center of everything. And maybe the world just needs a center because otherwise we'd all be spinning off in our own universes. But it seems to me in that in their, in their last moments here they are grabbing these random people from the Internet to put them on and that just shows you how desperate they are. So you'll see a lot of these, these random, you know, podcast people show up on these big quote unquote big time CNN shows now.

[Buck Travis]

Well, there's two other things that I would, I would add to all this. I agree with what my, my esteemed colleague. Well, apparently three hours a day hanging out with them isn't enough. Dave, you had to, you, you had a snare. You know, can you have us on Sunday morning? Yeah, Clay and I, I have to see him every day of the week. Two other things I would say. One is, I still think even people who say it's a big deal generally undervalue or underestimate what a massive shift it has been that we have a scale social media platform with X that allows for real time information and fact checking and like BS destroying to, to be out there. I think that's a huge part of this. So they can't get away with this stuff they were getting away with before. In some ways I think the censorship and the immediate control was worse in the social media era than it had really ever been before because you had so much control and, and down to such a granular level where they, as we know, Dave, and this happened to you, it's happened to other people. They go after individual people.

[Clay Buxton]

Right? They would, you know, they would, they.

[Buck Travis]

Would either demonetize you or they shadow bench. So all that stuff, Elon has now broken that wide open with X. And so I think we should all be very grateful to what he's done for freedom there.

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[Buck Travis]

And then the other thing I'd say, and this might be a little more controversial, but a lot of these establishment media outlets, it's funny because when Jake Tapper was trying to defend Karine Jean Pierre, whose book tour is even more disastrous than Kamala Harris.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Buck Travis]

Which is hard to fathom. Like this is the two of the worst book tours by their own sides. They're mocking them.

[Dave Rubin]

Don't forget, his own book tour was pretty disastrous too. I think it's a three for three.

[Buck Travis]

Was terrible, right? He, Jake Tapper, Mr. Slick Jake Tapper. His was terrible, but he tried to say, oh, well, Karine Jean Pierre was a good pundit when she was. I can't speak to how she was in the White House. It's like, look, a lot of these entities, msnbc, the New York Times, they were the pinnacle of DEI hiring. And let's just say they weren't always hiring people that made the best arguments, were the best writers, or actually had the most mental acuity. Like, that's just the truth.

[Dave Rubin]

And by the way, we played that clip that you're talking about on the show the other day and it's like, well, Jake, why can't you speak to her? Time in the White House, you opine on everything else. Thank you for telling us that years ago she was okay as a broadcaster.

[Clay Buxton]

But how about, by the way, for three minutes at a time, you have to be a fucking ignoramus to really be bad on television. When you only have to talk for three minutes total, you get exposed. When you have to talk for an hour and answer questions that demonstrate you haven't done your basic homework, that's when you get exposed.

[Buck Travis]

My favorite thing is people can't declare me. And they're just like, who writes all your stuff?

[Clay Buxton]

Stuff?

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Buck Travis]

You're just like, writes it like, yeah, yeah. I mean, on the one hand I'm flattered. On the other hand I'm like, what kind of books are you reading, buddy?

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, no, I always say on the show, look, for better or worse, this stuff is coming out of my brain. All right, guys, let's just do one other thing right here because it is Halloween. And although robots are not really a specific part of Halloween, they are coming. They are going to take over. We are going to be in a dystopian nightmare. And this week, Neo the robot, which is gonna be the first kind of at home robot, it's going to make it to the market apparently before. Elon's Optimus robot is now available for pre order.

[Kamala Harris]

Look at this, it's here. The first humanoid robot housekeeper. Thank you, Neo. For $20,000 you can pre order one X's Neo robot now with delivery in 2026. I think you missed a tiny spot over here. Just one little catch. There may be a human behind the curtain pulling the robot's strings. If I throw up, will the robot throw up? A company representative may need to peer into your house via Neo's camera eyes to get things done. To many people, this is crazy.

[Clay Buxton]

You have to be okay with this for the product to be useful.

[Kamala Harris]

We're twinning now. Neo1x is taking on home robotics biggest challenges, creating a safe body and a smart brain. Its fabric covered body lets Neo try to do a lot of things humans do around the house. House emphasis on try clay.

[Dave Rubin]

We know all this stuff is coming. This seems like a particularly perverse version in that maybe there's going to be a guy in a VR suit somewhere in India actually watching what's in your house. Most people didn't expect that part, but even if they didn't have that part, the idea that the robot's in your house watching you all the time and can just upload that, all that information and video and data and audio to the cloud, kind of disturbing. However, I'm going to take a slightly different tack at this, which is this is happening whether we like it or not. Like five years from now, I'm going to bet that the three of us have either this or optimus in our house because it's just kind of how we all have iPhones now.

[Clay Buxton]

Look, I think the maybe more terrifying aspect of this is I'm going to build on it. I don't know how many jobs are going to exist in 15 or 20 years. Like, I mean, I look around at how rapidly AI is evolving and yes, I mean, it can say, okay, we're going to have Rosie from the Jetsons, like working as a housekeeper. Maybe that, you know, knocks a few jobs out. Most people don't have homemades right now. Right. So it's just really more of a convenience thing. Buck and I have talked about this both on air and off air. I look around at a lot of jobs. We had a caller the other day who called in and said, hey, I work in hr. She worked out in Utah. And she's like, I've been applying hundreds of jobs. You look at the number of jobs that are being cut already in white collar, I think in 20 years, that's the scary thing. It's going to be not only robot replacement, but actual jobs that we rely on many people doing taking over too. So I just think we're at a technological tipping point that's going to be transformative very rapidly.

[Dave Rubin]

Right I think this week Amazon announced they're going to cut 30,000 jobs because, you know, basically you're going to have drones that'll deliver the stuff. And then for, you know, postmates, they'll. It'll be a automated car and probably eventually a robot that then will walk it to your door. Buckets.

[Clay Buxton]

Buckets. Food delivered by robots. Now, we talked about this on the air.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Buck Travis]

I haven't even told Clay about the little robot that shows up to give me a grease down on a shiatsu sometimes. But, you know, that's fun, too. But no, there really are. There really are little robots. And have you seen these, Dave, in the neighborhood here? Yeah, this is. This is for real. That do the food delivery now. And I would say this is. It's a little weird, a little dystopian. But I will also say that if we go to driverless cars, yes, there may be mass unemployment, but if that means that I no longer have to listen to blasting reggaeton music every time I get to the Denver. In South Florida, civil unrest is a small price to pay. A small price.

[Dave Rubin]

Buck, I don't have to tell you at Miami, the cologne that these guys wear. Oh, my God. But, but for real, do you guys.

[Clay Buxton]

Little trees.

[Buck Travis]

Those little trees, they smell horrible. Why do we have little trees in the smelly trees? You know what I mean? In the cars.

[Clay Buxton]

Oh, yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

No. And they're endocrine disruptors. They're making. The fr. Dog's gay or something. Isn't that what Alex Jones said? But for real, do you got. Five years from now, are you guys going to have one? As they become ubiquitous, as everyone kind of gets it, as Elon rolls out the other one. Do. Will you get one?

[Buck Travis]

Yeah, I think. I think everyone is going. As they become. I mean, I think it'll be interesting because you'll probably have them for discrete tasks at first, like specific things. Right. And. And so, you know, people are saying, oh, how discreet. A Michelin star.

[Dave Rubin]

That was your way of saying you're going to fuck the robots.

[Buck Travis]

Right. Might not have been the right word there.

[Kamala Harris]

Specific.

[Dave Rubin]

You know, it's specific. We get it. It's specific and discreet. Okay.

[Buck Travis]

You know, well, definitely not. If. If, like some guy from India or whatever is going to be outsourcing the video of whatever, you know, that's not discreet.

[Dave Rubin]

Like, keep going.

[Buck Travis]

This is.

[Clay Buxton]

I will be. I will be slow on the uptake. I'll be slow on the. I don't. I don't do technology very fast because I'm skeptical that it's going to be that much better. But if everybody else starts talking about how awesome it is, then I would bet my boys will be the first ones who will want to try it. The kids, because they read paper. Dive in. Yeah, I still get paper newspaper delivery.

[Buck Travis]

Which is like, what. What century are we in?

[Dave Rubin]

Wow, good for you.

[Clay Buxton]

I'm like, I'm going to be the last guy with print newspapers. I. Every time I get on a flight, I have a stack of print newspapers like this high. I'm the only person carrying them.

[Dave Rubin]

You know, people always ask me if I miss New York City. And the only thing that I miss is when I used to for a quarter get the New York Post and read it on the subway. That is the only thing I miss of New York City. And.

[Clay Buxton]

And I love newspapers.

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah.

[Clay Buxton]

Actually threat newspapers.

[Dave Rubin]

Gentlemen, what are you going to be for Halloween tonight? Besides each other. The way I set up the show, which was quite weird. Clay, what are you going to be tonight?

[Clay Buxton]

I'm. I am going to be dad following around my youngest son, who is going to be dressed as a banana. So I am going to be shepherding him around for trick or treating. Not dressed up this year myself. Wife has been in charge of couple costumes past several years. But we're moving to a new house. So no Halloween party this year.

[Dave Rubin]

Buck, are you taking the little lady out for Halloween?

[Buck Travis]

I. I am a guy who got a haircut in Miami for the first time. Let them do what they wanted to do. And so I'm going out tonight at South Florida. Buck. Instead of 1985. Michael P. Keaton.

[Clay Buxton]

Buck.

[Dave Rubin]

It's funny. I was about to make a Teen Wolf reference. Not a. Which is kind. You got it. Michael J. Fox. It all worked.

[Clay Buxton]

Yeah.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, I'm a Ghostbuster. We're big into Ghostbusters in this house.

[Clay Buxton]

Oh, that's awesome. My boys.

[Dave Rubin]

Yep, we got I am Peter Venkman. I kind of wanted to be the black guy, but I was told that that's probably not ideal for the rest of my career. So.

[Clay Buxton]

By the way, Buck knows this on the Ghostbusters, when you're. Are your boys big Ghostbusters?

[Dave Rubin]

Yeah, they obsessed, obsessed, obsessed.

[Clay Buxton]

So I talked about this this week. My middle son was obsessed with the Ghostbusters. We took him to New York City. The only thing he wanted to do in New York City was go see all the Ghostbuster one and ghostb or two places. He dressed as a Ghostbuster to ride around on the subway to go visit all of the Ghostbuster sites, which was absolutely awesome.

[Dave Rubin]

I have been to that apartment building on Central Park West. Oh, yeah, that is something. All right, guys. Happy Halloween. Have a good weekend.

[Clay Buxton]

Happy Halloween, everybody.

[Buck Travis]

Thanks, Dave.