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All right, what's going on, people? This is the Rubin Report. I'm Dave Rubin. It's June 19, 2026, and it's Friday, which means it's time for another round table extravaganza. And I should note, I'm slightly off the injured reserve. I've moved my giant contraption off the table. We've rebuilt something that I think is a little less of an assault on your visual senses. And joining me today are the hosts of the HERET podcast, my friend Andrew Gold, all the way across the pond over there in the UK as well as right here in the good old US Of A. President of the Brownstone Institute, Geoffrey Tucker. Gentlemen, how are you?
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Yeah, go on. Sorry, Tucker. Jeffrey.
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I was going to say that I'm doing just fine, but I'm concerned, Dave, about how this injury is going to heal. I mean, there's no cast, is there? No brace, is there? No.
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Thank you for asking, Jeffrey. I appreciate a little pity right up front. No, my. My case is a level three of an AC joint dislocation, which is. They basically. I went to the. The Dolphins ortho and the Miami Heat orthopedist. So these guys deal with this all the time. And basically at level three, it's. It's an edge case of whether you get surgery or not. And usually only the professional athletes get surgery at that point. Otherwise, you just kind of let it heal your ligaments, eventually bring your collarbone back down is the hope. And I'm going to do some stem cells and some other things. But before we get to it, since you asked me, I heard you took quite a spill a few days ago. Are you okay up there? I was told off camera that you tripped. Are you all right?
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C
I tripped. And I felt. I felt, you know, right on the pavement, you know, from standing straight up to like a. Like a Hollywood trick, you know, like that. And. And landed on a knee, and then the knees filled up with this gigantic fluidy thing. And it seemed very obvious to me what the solution was. To jab a needle into it and suck out all the fluid. Right.
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I mean, that's what they remove the fluid.
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But thanks to AI, you know, I was prevented from taking this obvious step because Grok told me. Are you out of your mind? That's the worst idea I've ever heard. Don't do that. You only bring if you cause it to get infected, then probably have to amputate your knee or something. So I refrained from that taking that drastic step, and I'm just living with
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it for Now I've had fluid removed from my knee, but I don't know that I'm in the shape right now to give anyone medical advice. And Andrew, do you have any physical ailments you'd like to get off your chest? Before we begin this thing, I was
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B
going to just ask what the age demographic of your audience is because that might change the level of interest in the conversation right now. I mean, we can go on if you want. I had a hamstring injury at some point.
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C
No, no.
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All right, all right. We're not here to be mocked. All right, well, you know what? We're not here to be mocked, but we will do some mocking. And I'm not opposed to mocking this fella because as you know, the big story, obviously the big story of the week mostly was Iran stuff, which we're not really gonna dive into too deep today. But the big story I think that people should really be paying attention to is what is this report that has come out of the uk? A member of Parliament by the name of Rupert Lowe released this report which covers decades of abuse. Most, I think they said 90 plus percent by Pakistani Muslims in the UK. These grooming gangs that were raping and doing just unbelievably horrific things to young British girls, over 250,000 of them. So I want to start with this clip from a couple weeks ago. This is from Piers Morgan Uncensored. Piers just simply did not believe that this was happening.
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Fine.
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250,000 of your women are being raped by Muslim. But it's okay.
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It's fine. Again, utterly ridiculous statement.
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Birmingham go to utterly ridiculous states.
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As I've said repeatedly, the vast majority sexual crime against women in the uk.
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Lord Malcolm Pearson in Parliament.
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Don Keith, the vast majority of sexual crime against women in my country is committed by white men. Oh, here we go.
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You've never heard of Per Capita?
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B
I don't know. I have heard of Per Capita.
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Unfortunately, it's disproportionately committed by Muslims against white Christian girls because it's a rape genocide.
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Let me bring genocide.
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C
Let me bring genocide.
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Okay. As I said to Piers last time he was here and I have no intention of doing the show again. Like I don't know how any self respecting person does this. Andrew, let me start with you here. Because it's happening in your country, I don't have to really make it about peers, but he's taken every side of every issue forever. I think that's his key to longevity in the biz. But to the backdrop of our friend Gad Saad's new book, Suicidal Empathy. This knee jerk reaction when someone tells you something to immediately say no, but it's the white people that are doing all of this stuff and throw all, all of the 250,000 young girls. They were literally using their vaginas as bottle openers. That was part of the report. I mean, unimaginable stuff. It's just crazy. Tell me the temperature in your country and then just answer that however way you see it fit.
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Yeah, well, I mean we're absolutely screwed. Yeah, Piers, you're absolutely right. He sort of does all the. I actually appreciate it to some degree because at least he's someone who sometimes will be on the kind of side of reason whereas most people in our mainstream media will not.
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Yeah, and then he takes the other side the next day. But ok, okay, okay, sure, sure.
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But it's still better than. I mean we're grasping at straws, but it's better than what we've got elsewhere. I mean, I don't know if you saw when I went on there, when I last went on there, it was now a couple of months ago and I. The question that was put, and this is an example of what you're asking about, the question that was put to the three other people on the, you know, on the show with me on the panel was about the grooming gangs about exactly this issue. And look, if I were a Muslim I would be saying, guys, look, this isn't what we're. What I want to do. It's not what. You know, but it's a terrible stain on our. And so on. And I think that would be a reasonable answer. They went one by one with these guys, one of them being Cenk. And each of them said, well actually what's happened here is that Israel and the Epstein class has invented this. It's an entire fabrication. It's a fiction invented by Israel and the Epstein class. At which point I just burst out laughing because it's just so utterly ludicrous. So I think we are at a point where we're. There's just no point. There's no point having that conversation anymore. They're so far gone. And this was unfortunately inevitable from the moment we started calling ourselves a multicultural society. It's same thing will start to happen in, in the States. I'd be shocked if you didn't uncover at some point something similar to what we uncovered in the uk. It took a very long time. There were some people talking about it. There were some serious journalists and mainstream journalists not Very many though. And ultimately Tommy Robinson, who was basically seen as Voldemort in the UK for talking about it, his cousin was a victim of the grooming gang. So of course he took it very seriously and personally. So it's a very difficult one. Right now we are having the most abominable things happening due to having this multi ethnic society and nobody's allowed to talk about it. It's a very strange Orwellian nightmare right now.
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Worth noting that beyond me, Tommy Robinson is also banned from Piers Show. Jeffrey, you obviously come from most situations from a libertarian limited government perspective. It seems to me, and I've seen some people say something to this effect that as dysfunctional as the UK government is and probably culpable in much of this, I mean, we're finding out that they were moving papers around and really going out of their way to hide a lot of this because it was politically incorrect. But it seems to me if a government is going to throw 250,000 of their young girls under the bus in the name of progressive tolerance or multiculturalism or whatever, I don't know what authority it has to govern at that point.
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Yeah, well, it's the fundamental point of government is protect life and liberty and punish these kind of crimes and not cover them up. I don't, not being in the uk, I don't have the context for this particular case, but Piers Morgan's funny line where he says, no, no, the real problem is white Christian males, I think is what he said, right? They commit the majority of crimes in the US We've been hearing this for years. This is what Biden would frequently say. This has been like an incantation on the left, right? Anytime you draw attention to the problem of crime, they say, well, the real problem is toxic masculinity and white males. Right. Dave, you agree with that?
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Of course.
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So something actually remarkable recently came out about the Southern Poverty Law center which turns out to be this many decades old scam in which they were paying these movements like white nationalists and Nazi groups and patriot front groups and national front people and the Klan and so on to continue their activities, be very high profile. And so they could chronicle them and raise money based on the great threat from that the right wing male culture, quasi Nazi patriot front people meant to the American people. And this line has shaped much of American politics for really dating back decades now. And then to discover thanks to this DOJ indictment and the grand jury indictment, that the whole thing was a gigantic fundraising scam. First of all, that story has not been reported that much by the mainstream media. But once you mentally process the reality of this and understand the place of the Southern Poverty Law center in American political culture and the public mind and the dialogues are supposed to keep in our head, once you understand that the whole thing was a fraud, it. It necessitates a complete rethinking of our whole concept of the problem, the answer, the solutions and the existing realities. And I'm still in my own mind working through this because I believe, for example, all the Charlottesville stuff, you remember, Dave, I opened up my book with that story from Charlottesville. And to find out that it was the SPLC that was paying the lead organizer and paying the transportation and scripting the whole thing for theatrics, you know, is so completely disorienting to me that I'm just sort of rethinking a lot of things that I thought.
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Right, well. And Jeffrey, let's not forget that Joe Biden quite literally said in the video when he announced he was running for president that the reason he was running was because of Charlottesville, that now we know there are two hoaxes. One is that it was the SPLC funding defending the group in the first place. But then the second hoax, of course, was the very fine people hoax, which everyone watching this knows.
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I knew about that hoax because I knew that Trump had referred because like Trump is not going to be celebrating Nazis. So there was something wrong. Right. And if you actually look back at him, he's talking about very fine people on both sides. He's talking about the controversy over the removal of the statue. And he was right about that. There are fine people on both sides of this issue. Should there be a statue of Robert E. Lee whatever in Charlottesville? I don't know. It's up for them to decide. But I generally against the removal of these statues. That's beside the point. Right. They were completely lied about this thing and twisted Trump's words as if he was celebrating Nazis. But listen, this SPLC story gets much worse. It turned out they had an employee who was like the paramour. Get this.
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Yeah.
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Of the like, not the grand dragon of the clan, but they. He had. He was also on their payroll, but of the leader of a group called National Front, which was like the successor to the American Nazi movement. So an actual like swastika waving Nazi patriot guy was actually sleeping with and shared a bank account with. Did you know about this, Andrew?
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Have you heard? Yes,
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not that much about this. Yeah.
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No, I mean this is like. This is like one of the biggest scandals of My entire adult life. And so she's sleeping with this guy and has a joint bank account with him. Right. And SPLC itself had set up like a dozen or more companies to launder money, you know, from their donors to pay Nazis and wackadoodles, you know, like to create a theater of hate to continue to deflect from the real problems of this country. So everybody would scapegoat wouldn't, you know, right wing males and toxic masculinity. This actually happened. And they've been working with the FBI for decades on this. Like what? And it's no wonder the mainstream media won't touch this story. Right. But all the documents are there. You can look at it for yourself and see what it does to your mind and your perceptions about the real nature of politics in this country.
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Right. Well, we'll see where the indictment goes with that. But whether it is the grooming scandal that people were denying, as we just showed you right there, peers himself on his show, or whether it's all the people denying now that SPLC had anything to do with all this stuff, much of it's because the mainstream media has lied to us about basically everything. And Andrew, not to every time I go to you, it's because horrible is happening in your country. But the other problem you guys have, obviously, beyond immigration and culture and the murders that are happening on the streets, and I know some of them not too far from where you are, is that you guys are also jailing people over Twitter posts when they go against the narrative, whether it's either one of these stories or other things. Here's RFK Jr on what's happening across the pond. And you look at what's happening in England now, you know, people going to jail for Twitter posts.
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12,000 people this year, 12,000 in the last year.
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And this was the Magna Carta was, you know, written.
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And now there's, now it's just a.
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It's just a dictatorship.
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Well, they got rid of trial by
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jury, except for murder and rape and
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a couple other things.
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Now it's just a judge. So, you know, whatever it is, if it's a social media infraction, if it's. There's no reasonable, you know, judge by jury of your peers. No, you're getting judged by a judge.
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And a lot of it is criticism
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of immigration, like legitimate criticism of immigration and legitimate criticism of crimes that have been committed and people outraged, which is completely normal. But instead of like doing anything about that, they want to arrest people from complaining.
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Andrew, I'm supposed To be in your country in a couple days for the ARC conference that I do every year. It's unclear whether I'm going just because I'm a little banged up at the moment, whether the travel will be too much. But when I was there last year for the ARC conference, I had dinner with many of our friends who have been on the show. Names need not be mentioned at this moment. And we were all talking about how for the first time in our lives, we were in another country where we were afraid to tweet what we were thinking. I mean, I remember thinking, I don't want to. I just don't want to get. It's not that I thought I was going to be arrested as an American because I tweeted something, but I didn't want to be hung up at customs or the other litany of things that they can create a headache. I mean, you're a British citizen. You tweet about controversial things. This has to be as alarming as anything else.
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Yeah, I mean, I was at that dinner. You may. You may remember.
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I didn't know. I didn't know how. You know, I'm just protecting the innocent here.
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Oh, right.
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Yeah.
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Just in case I didn't make enough of an impression. But I was there. But, yeah, I mean, look, it's really hard to work out to what extent I have to worry. For example, I've never had a knock on my door. They also know, whoever it is, I was thinking about this, is it some shadowy figure at the top of the police? Is there a politician having a word with the police and saying, hey, you know, you better clamp down on this stuff, whatever it is. They would have to make a decision with someone like me, as I have one of the biggest shows now in the UK or somebody like Constantine or Francis. That's a big decision, because if they do that, it becomes an even bigger story that becomes front page news, like, even more than it already was becoming with some of these ridiculous stories. So I've never had a knock on the door. I sort of almost wish I would, you know, because it's like, okay, get the camera. This, this, you know, so it. It's. It's not that I'm sitting here with the same fear someone might have in Russia. And people also make that point that there are more arrests than there are in Russia at the moment for free speech infringements. I mean, it's preposterous that we've even gotten to a stage where we can compare or equate them. What I would Say, however, is that, you know, I doubt that Russia records all of their free speech issues. So we don't actually know entirely. But I mean, some of the people I've interviewed over the last couple of years around this, it's been like the. Someone got. He was. He was put in a. In a jail cell for a day, a full day, because somebody complained that he was in a WhatsApp group with people from school, and he was critical of the school, didn't swear, didn't use, like, racial language. He was very critical. The school complained. And a bunch of police turned up at his door, took him and his wife in front of their daughter, arresting them, a horrible thing. That daughter's never gonna forget that, and put them in a jail cell for a long time. So it's really worrying. And unfortunately, we are slipping towards a kind of authoritarianism. I don't want to just repeat myself, but I do go on a lot about multiculturalism. I think that is at the center of a lot of this. And ultimately, you asked before, what is it that can make a, you know, what right does the police, the government have to govern, really? Or have they given. It's a very difficult one. And I think the scary part of this, that people aren't really thinking about, not just the government, the BBC, that's supposed to be a state broadcaster, and you can argue about the merits for a state broadcaster or not, but ultimately it's supposed to reflect the culture of the country. But when the culture is by definition multi, it's multi. Whatever multi means. Well, what is it reflecting back at us? So what you and I and what Jeffrey might be thinking and what most of this audience thinks about the grooming gangs is obviously not what Cenk thinks, and it's not what now 5 or 6 million Muslims think. That's not to say that Muslims, you know, all agree with it. Of course they don't. But we've got five or potentially more million in this country, many from other ethnic backgrounds, who just potentially not all of them. I really don't mean all of them. Many don't see. They don't seem to think this is a big problem. So what is the BBC supposed to do? It's reflecting the country. The country is becoming more Muslim Muslims. Also, if you look at the countries where Muslims sort of. Of where we don't have extremism and radicalism, we're looking at quite authoritarian. The Emirate states, for example. Another place is Israel. They, you know, there's 20% Muslims in the country. You don't have that many problems. You have problems, but not on the level that we have in the uk But Israel has a very firm hand. So one way or another we will become, and we are becoming a more authoritarian country for various reasons, many to do with multiculturalism. And I don't really see a way back.
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Yeah. So, Jeffrey, let me. So do you see any way back? If you take the sort of two prongs here, one is, okay, they're clamping down on free speech, and then the other one is there is this multicultural problem. Do you see any way for them to back out of this before it gets worse?
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I did want to ask Andrew about. For a while on X, there's. There's been this sort of AI generated, sort of patriotic British girl who's trying to rally the, the, the public to defend British rights and the British, British ways. Is that correct? Am I correct about that?
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I, I haven't seen that. It sounds like one of Elon Musk's kind of pornographic.
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Yeah. Which side are you on, Jeffrey?
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Well, maybe. No, I'm. No, I mean, it's actually a wonderful thing about it. It's. It's like you have to use an AI cartoon to say truthful things where they can't, you know, can't arrest an AI.
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Not yet.
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Yeah, I don't. You know, I, I'm so grateful for the, I have to say, for the American founders, because they saw fit to implement a Bill of Rights, the first provision of which was a guarantee of free speech. And it's true that variously in American history that's been infringed by governments sometimes working with private parties. And one of those periods was Covid. Right. I mean, all the COVID dissidents were sort of silenced. But enough time went by and that was exposed. And now the courts have been pretty, pretty clear that this is a violation of the First Amendment. We have guaranteed by law a right to free speech. I don't think, and I don't think that same kind of thing exists in British common law, which I don't.
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No, it flat out doesn't. But allow me to show you one other thing from the UK and then, Andrew, I promise you we'll stop bludgeoning you with what's happening in the uk.
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Please do.
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But there was a Stop Islamophobia rally earlier in this week. And when you talk about multiculturalism or people talk about intersectionality or how queers for Palestine is very different than Palestine for queers, here is what I believe is a man in a dress screaming about Islamophobia. Racist gum off our streets. Who straight our streets? Who's straight our streets? When my grand are under attack, what do we do? Stand up, fight back. All right, so they're very concerned about the far right. And that's not to say there isn't. I'm so bored of these qualifications that there's some element of the far right that might be worthy of paying attention to in the uk, but this is. That was at a rally for Islamophobia, which is Christopher Hitchens. What's Christopher Hitchens line on this, Andrew? It's a word made up by idiots for morons. Something like that.
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Yeah.
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But in essence I don't think think Islam would treat the man in the dress very well or allow him to get married at one of their many mosques. Am I, am I just nut. Am I being addicted?
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I mean, absolutely not. Although I did hear that. I don't know about Islam in particular, but there are certain countries around, you know, South Asia where trans is actually fairly common because they hate gays so much.
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Yeah. Iran, for example.
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Right, yeah. So that does happen, I think, think I don't know what kind of daydream these people live in. I don't think they realize how popular books like Mein Kampf are in the Middle East. And again, it's just part of this cultishness, unfortunately. I mean, with regards to the free speech thing and I do regret that the UK is so bad on free speech, but there is one issue and I think I'd like both of your thoughts on this. What happens with that idea around free. Cause part of free speech is the government doesn't go and look into your stuff. Right. So you should be able to have encryption and WhatsApp and Signal or whatever. People shouldn't be looking at what you're doing and all of that. But what happens when, for example, we've got 40,000 Muslim terrorists on the watch list at the moment with MI5? If the US equivalent of that, if you took it by population, you know you're talking about, that would be several hundred thousand in your country, plus loads of people who aren't on the watch list who are just family members, friends and so on. This is what I mean, where free speech starts. It's a luxury, I feel, until you've made your country into such a precarious place. What do you do then?
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Well, Jeffrey, let me get your take on that because I know your position obviously on free speech and right to privacy and all of those things. I mean, does this strike you as Something that the west is ready to grapple with, that we have these deeply held principles. And also we now have people in our country, some illegal, but some legal, who are using our freedoms against us.
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Well, that is certainly happening, but I don't think free speech would apply to criminal. I mean, we have provisions in law that allow this. I mean, you get a warrant and a judge issues that when it's merited. And so it's not an issue for free speech. So the idea is that the First Amendment generally applies until you misuse it and start threatening others. So that principle certainly works for us. And you would never invoke the freedom of speech to defend the rights of criminals, to plot against, to overthrow the social order or.
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Although we're getting pretty damn close to it, I think. I mean, when you hear what the socialists are saying on the streets when they're out there, I mean, they're basically saying, overthrow our capitalist society.
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They certainly are. It's getting. Well, it's been going on for a long time, but, yeah, it's pretty, pretty grim. I. Sometimes I feel like we've turned the corner on that, that things are not as bad as they were a few years ago when, you know, we often speak of it in this country as like, peak woke, you know, which was what, 20? Something like that. And we seem to have turned the corner, knock on wood, on this. And as we approach the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, which we count as being our birthday as a nation, I'm seeing a resurrection of sort of cultural pride, American pride, patriotism in an American idea, and also American history and Americans as a people. I have to think this is healthy and necessary and good. In fact, I would like to see much more of it. I printed out this morning three patriotic songs that next time I'm hosting any kind of event, like a brownstone supper club, we're going to sing it between now and July 4th. I think this is actually really important to feel this sense of pride. But my sense of what's happening in Britain is that you've got a whole swath of elite culture, that it's turned against the very idea that you should be proud of your achievements as a nation, your history and British culture and people and heritage and law and its achievements for civilization. Just to say those things is considered to be racist or inadmissible to polite society. And if that's true, you don't have a future as a civilization.
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By the way, Jeffrey, you're bringing up something that I've been saying on the show, really since the beginning of the year, which is my hope, is that by July 4th in our 250th, that we get this sort of baked in resurgence of patriotism and pride in our country and that maybe the Republicans are able to extend that to November so that we avoid what most people think will be a bloodbath. Although I'm not quite there on that. Maybe, maybe it's the pain medication. I'm not going to.
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I mean, for all the problems with the Republicans, you know, they have the advantage of not being Democrats. So.
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Let's just be clear. I just want to say this because nobody says it. This guy is a, is a genius. He's an American treasure.
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Defend him. Somebody has to.
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He's not as recognized as celebrated enough for what he did. Do you realize that during the COVID lockdowns, he was the one leader of any major company in America that said, no, I will not shut my factories. I will sleep on the factory floor with my workers rather than kick them out of a job for your infectious disease frenzy. All Right. The one man brave enough to do that. So that was extraordinary. The other thing about Elon, and I'm sorry for all the haters out there that I'm about to say this, but this man saved free speech in America. And by buying Twitter, which was a failing fed infested racket of censorship and propaganda not different from many mainstream media media today, I will say that. But he bought it solely to protect free speech rights. And then he unleashed it. Of all, he fired four out of five employees. Can you imagine that, Andrew? Like in IM imagine, you know, a, a UK entrepreneur moving into a company that's very, very important and firing four out of five employees. Right. That's what he did. Which is amazing because. Because he can. Thank you. We still have a little bit of free enterprise left in America and then what do you know, the damn platform got better than ever. Okay, I promise you this, There wasn't a single CEO or management consultant in America or any close observer of American business culture that didn't take extreme high notice of what was unfolding there.
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You know, I went to meet with him a little bit after he took over Twitter and you know, they had these huge offices in San Francisco with like a zombie apocalypse of homeless people downstairs. So the idea that the world's richest man is up here and that they're all down there, but then you go there and you know, he's got all these guys literally working on the floor with laptops and he's in an old T shirt and raggedy shoes and all this stuff. And the commissary is completely empty because they. Cuz they had fired all of these people. They had video games everywhere. It was like it seemed to be a place where nobody was working, I guess, unless you were a fed and you were working against our free speech rights. But of course it's got all of the right people with their panties in a bunch because Elon's doing all this. Good. Listen to this from Bernie Sanders. Elon Musk's rise to trillionaire status is not time to celebrate. It's a call to. You know what? I should read this in Bernie Boyce. Go back, let me do it at the top. Here we go.
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Here.
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Elon Musk's rise to trillionaire status is not a time to celebrate. It's a call to action to take unprecedented income and wealth inequality that now exists. And the greed and the power of the ruling class is destroying the social fabric of America. Our democracy cannot survive when one man who contributed 290 million to get Trump elected becomes the 7 billion richest in Trump's election. Our economy cannot sustain itself when one man owns more wealth than the bott half of our society, when 60% of our people live paycheck to paycheck, when we have the highest rate of childhood poverty in every major nation, and when our kids will have lower standard of living than their parents. This is not about wealth. It's about power. Musk and his fellow oligarchs want it all together. We must fight back. We can and must create an economy and a government that works for all of us, not just Elon Musk and his fellow billionaires.
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C
He should sell one of one. One of one of his summer homes, I think.
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A
Well, first off, I need someone to clean the desk. I just spit all over this thing. But to the point about summer homes, here's Bernie on how he became a millionaire. See a term.
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B
You know what?
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A
Let's buy a house. So we bought a house and guess what? Like many thousands of people in the state of Vermont, I have a summer camp. It's a nice one on Lake Champlain. That's it. Now, how did I get the money?
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You're right. I wrote two bestselling books, including this book on capitalism.
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It was New York Times bestseller. For Andrew. Does he not realize what a ridiculous, clownish hypocrite he is? He wrote bestselling books against capitalism and then is explaining that it was capitalism that allowed him to buy the second home. He did have a third home in D.C. which I think they sold one of them. So they've only got two now. Obviously have a lot of extra rooms. They don't let any of the illegals stay in them. But he, like you remember that moment when he was on Real Time with Bill Maher and he didn't know the difference between equity and equality. It's like there's so much there that should just end his career overnight and yet he's still here babbling about all this stuff.
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B
I didn't know you could do the voices. Can you do like, me and Jeffrey as well?
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Yeah, that's very good.
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C
Very impressive.
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What can I do? You and Jeffrey. How about this? That's you. Wait, who was that? Was that Jeffrey or you? Because Jeffrey does sound a little British at times, man.
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B
Transatlantic thing sounds a bit Australian to me. But yeah, no, your, your, your Larry David before was spot on. Yeah, so, so yeah, I. Bernie, you know, I'm so sick of these people. I'm so sick of them. And it's just the same over and over again. He's worth two or three million dollars at least. And I think that's without including those homes. You know, the guy's got so much money, as you say, he's made out of capitalism. And. And this is the question I always ask myself, because I used to deal with cults. I used to look into people who were in Scientology and so on before they left. And it's amazing because you can say to them, you know, so, you know, you really believe in evil Lord Xenu? And they have to say yes. Most of them don't even know what evil Lord Xenu is. They don't know until they're like, at a certain point in Scientology, but they just say yes. It's a remarkable thing about humans. So I don't know what it is with Bernie, if. If he might be one of those who secretly realizes, in which case he is, as they say online, you know, a grifter. I hate making that claim, though, because I think it's. I think human. Humans are a little bit more complicated than that. And he probably kind. It's like with Lord Xenu, he's got some. Some kind of religious scri. His head where he has to just keep having a go at the people who are richer than him and not really think too much about how rich he is.
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Right. Well, that's why he used to go after millionaires, and then he became a millionaire, and now he goes after billionaires and the one trillionaire Jeffrey capitalism. It's pretty good. Even Bernie Sanders admits it.
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C
Huh. By the way, did my picture just suddenly change?
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A
Yeah, something happened there. You either got smaller or.
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C
I may have to, because this actually looks rather strange. Wouldn't you.
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B
You say you're no longer wearing any clothes.
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A
Yeah, this is very. If your bow tie starts.
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C
Well, it's alarming and it's as bright. I don't. But I may.
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A
We're just gonna. We're just gonna play through. You know, if I can do this with one arm, you can be the little guy. I may.
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C
I may reboot it, when you call it. Yeah. So one thing people don't understand. This. The. This trillionaire thing. First of all, five years ago, he. This would have been. We've had so much inflation over the last five years. This. He would be a 650 billion, actually. So there's that. But aside from that, this is all paper wealth, right? These are just speculative investments and what people think he's going to be worth, you know, eventually when the profits come in. But it's not like it's not like this is liquid, you know, I mean, this is. This is all just paper, paper wealth. And it's. And the reason why markets are so optimistic about him and his future is because he's got a fantastic record. He's got a kind of a Midas touch. He's a genius. He never reads management textbooks. He doesn't call up McKenzie to find out what to do. He operates off this very powerful intuition that he's got within his heart and human spirit and builds greatness partially because he believes in the American system. He's a true believer in the system that we have in this country and one of the great practitioners of it. So he is being rewarded for that. And God bless you.
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You know, when I went there right after he took over, I got there, I got a call saying at like 5 o' clock Eastern time that he wants to meet you, get to San Francisco. And I got there and it was, I don't know, about 1am his eyes were completely bloodshot again. He's in a raggedy T shirt, dirty shoes, bunch of kids with laptops on the floor. And he comes up to me and he goes, dave, we did find out there was some stuff with your Twitter account that we're really interested in, meaning that they found out I was being suppressed. He goes, do you. He goes, I'm really tired. Do you mind if we pick this up tomorrow? I mean, think about what? Think about it. The world's richest man is basically like, could I just get a couple hours sleep before I deal with your personal Twitter account? Like, I know that's anecdotal, but it does tell you the kind of. The care that this guy has. And of course I was like, yes, I'll see you tomorrow.
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C
And I tell you what, somebody else about this guy, he loves his workers. He's always on the factory floor. He identifies with them very close. I was in Marfa, Texas, one time looking at the lights there. You know, I don't know if you've ever heard of these things, but the place is filled with all these employees of Vlon that came out of, you know, Tesla companies. He loves his workers.
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initial
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because he happened to be at
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the right place at the right time,
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he has failed upwards with his endless wealth. And we know he doesn't work hard because he tweets all the goddamn. I mean it's just complete drivel. It's luck. He's he doesn't work hard like just drivel. But I thought this was interesting. Here's Hasan back in 2018 when he thought Elon was on his side. Shout out to Elon Musk, the ultimate swag champion of all time, for unveiling his latest invention, the hyperloop, earlier this afternoon. According to Musk, the hyperloop will also be faster than a bullet train and at a fraction of the cost. Now, the serious question I have for Elon Musk is this. How do you have the time to
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come up with this shit when women
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A
are probably tossing their salads your way faster than you can say hyperloop in every single corner? You're a designated genius, you're a good looking dude, and you happen to be a f ing billionaire. Aside from being able to get people from San Francisco to LA in under 30 minutes, at today's press conference, you managed to give every single member member of Al Qaeda the massivest hard on ever. Anyway, Elon, I admire your conquest in becoming the real life Tony Stark without the creepy facial hair and for that, you are our bro of the week. So, Andrew, I know pointing out these people's hypocrisy and, you know, he thought he was cool eight years ago and he was on his side. And I don't believe anything he says now or that he hates him or thinks he's stupid or it was all luck or anything else. But it does tell you a little bit about sort of the state of the modern left. They. They hate all of anyone who's doing anything. If you are building anything, they are out to get you.
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B
Yeah. They also seem to have a weird relationship with animals. It's just every single time the animals. Because obviously Cenk came out with that stuff about, you know, bestiality and all.
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A
Yes. Who's his uncle, by the way, and said that he should be allowed to pleasure in animals. That whatever.
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B
Right, right. And then. And then he had this issue where he was apparently, you know, abusing a dog or whatever. And we do actually. I mean, the movie more. We have this. This change of cultures, this enlightening culture in the uk. There are a lot of weird things around dogs. We're not allowed to take dogs out anymore because it offends people. So that. That's also a big part of it, I think. Just ultimately, I mean, I didn't realize how big he was back in the day. He was sort of this big, muscular, muscular fella. But yeah, I mean, what. What is he. What is his point there? I mean, the first time he's loving that he's working hard and he's. He's gone further to the left, I presume, Hassan. And now anyone who works hard. I do want to make a separate point only to not. Not feel too sort of, you know, I think. I think all of us, probably even Elon Musk would agree with this. Might feel uncomfortable with one person in the world having so much power. I think that that's nothing to do with his work ethic, which is. Which is phenomenal. It's nothing to do with the money he has, and he deserves every bit of it. And you're absolutely right. He changed Twitter for the better. He. He probably is the reason that people like me and the trick guys in the UK even have kind of a platform. Because it wasn't just Twitter that he changed, it was the competing social.
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A
Right. He forced them all to be better,
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basically, because back before he bought Twitter, YouTube were giving me. I was starting out a really hard time. Every time I put up anything that was mildly controversial, it was being blocked and banned and Demonetized. And only after Elon took charge of x did YouTube start to sort of become a bit more lax. And they also said to the advertiser, well, hang on, you know, so he's changed my life in that respect. But I think everyone watching this, and I imagine you guys and Elon himself would say, one person who has so much power in this world is cause for being slightly uncomfortable. That's the only thing I'll say.
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A
Jeffrey, what would your take be on that? I mean, in essence, the guy is the richest man on earth. Nobody's debating that at this point. Is there an inherent alarm that goes off in your, your head despite all your desires for capitalism and everything else?
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C
Well, based on a free enterprise model, I would say absolutely not. So I'm not entirely sure to what extent it's true that he has power as such. I mean, he's tried to do a lot of things and good things that he never was able to accomplish. Like, for example, I think he has good ideas concerning the Department of government officials efficiency, but he was that. And while that made some marginal changes and good improvements, it was largely a disappointment. He wasn't able to get his way in government. That's one reason. He just kind of backed away from the whole project. And he said this actually like, well, you know, it's a lot easier to run a private company than it is to make any changes in government. That's, that's, it's, you know, private enterprise is hard enough.
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Enough. You know, Jeff, I think that's, it's a good point as well, because the very people who were so angry that he's a trillionaire now were those who were against him. Trying to actually save money for the US is extraordinary. But back to the point about power, I mean, the guy has cars, satellites, AI, social media, space infrastructure, communications. I mean, that is, that is real power. Now, it so happens that he and the three of us agree with much of his politics, right? But if that were in the hands of somebody or if he turned or changed. Changed. I'm not suggesting he's done anything wrong. I'm not criticizing. I'm on board with him. But it's like, okay, I'm slightly uncomfortable. I don't know what to do about that.
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Well, the question is, so to whatever extent that might be true, even philosophically, like, so should a government stop him from having money? Should a government stop him from being able to do all these things, is there some concern that you'd have a private citizen doing better space exploration than the American government, I suppose. But is the American government good at anything? So that, that's just.
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C
I would like him to see. I would like, I would, you know, in my dream ideological dream world, I'd rather he not accept any government contracts for anything he does. Right. But that, you know, so I don't like that. But that's also not the real world. So.
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Right.
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C
We have to recognize, and I will say concerning the AI space, I have a lot of friends of mine on the left who are always trying to get me whipped up into a frenzy about AI and the coming technocracy. And they're not entirely wrong about this and I grant a lot of their points. I'm concerned about these data centers. I don't like the use of imminent domain. The prospects of surveillance that are associated with the AI makes me very uncomfortable. Actually. A lot of this building kind of this new weird post AI world is kind of creeping me out. I mean, a lot of it. And I don't like it. On the other hand, within that space, Elon occupies a sort of a white hat role. I mean, compared to OpenAI, wrongly named OpenAI. I mean, he's actually kind of not the kingpin in that realm and mostly stands for. For a pro freedom outlook. Now some people claim that he's something of a techno humanist or a transhumanist. So I don't really feel that a lot. When he talks about the need to propagate the earth with more people, for example, he's worried about the decline of the birth rate in the us, wants more of it. He's clearly got a humanistic sort of way to him. The other thing I will say is I'm a little biased because basically I really like the guy. I like him a lot. And I also adore his mother, who I think is just this jewel and genius. So.
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A
Yeah, but I think, I think your point about, about him, you know, talking about birth rates constantly. So you've got the guy who's building the robots that could basically replace the workforce. And yet at the same time he's still telling people to have more babies. That tells something about kind of, kind
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C
of where drives, where's hardens.
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Gentlemen, that is our time for the program today. Now, Andrew, what does one of your walk of life do in a country on the decline over the weekend?
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B
We move to the States is what one does in the weekend.
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A
Dude, who texts you more than me? Come to Florida, I'll hook you up. Does anyone try to get you out more than me?
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C
Come to New England. Come to Old New England. I'll show you the best to do.
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B
I've got. Those are two offers then. I've got two offers at least. I mean, I'm going out soon to try. Try and do a lot of interviews. I actually am going to the US in a few weeks. So, yeah, it's. It's just a show. But look, day to day, you know how these things are. Day to day. Most people don't notice it. Most people, the average person probably in the States as well, you go and say, oh, that's a bit woke. They don't even know what that means. Or at least maybe half of people don't know what that, you know, they don't know about our lives, the culture wars and politics and all of these kinds of things. So most days I go out, I have an ice nice time and then someone shouts at me on the train because I'm, you know.
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A
All right, well, Andrew, perhaps I will see you in a couple days in the uk. And Jeffrey, what do you do besides falling on your face when you're just taking a nice walk out there in the beautiful summer weather of New England?
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C
Pause really quickly to say that, Andrew, he had this very interesting idea that the way he is protected is because of his public profile. I think that's a really interesting sort of model. Like become famous, get an audience and then they can't touch you. That's a really interesting. I will say so. New England still has beautiful common spaces. We do rose Gardens open 247 with beautifully mowed grass. It still exists in New England. Maybe it's not in Southern California anymore, maybe you have that in Florida. But New England has so many beautiful spaces and I'm going to visit them this weekend, including.
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A
No, no. That's very impressive. We also do have mode grass here, plus freedom and no income tax and a whole bunch of other stuff. But I. Yeah, yeah. Ooh, mowed lawn.
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B
We've got loads of new houses being built for immigrants, so that's something.
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All right, it's Friday. No post game show. Goodbye.