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Senator John Kennedy
I mean, we just left, for example, a classified briefing with Senator now Secretary Rubio and Secretary Ed Seth and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs about what's going on with the narco terrorists off the coast of Venezuela. Trump's doing something. I mean, it's working. It's been highly effective. It's legal. As was explained to us. The, the intelligence is exquisitely good. It's always been good, but we're acting on it. And for years we've talked about a war on drugs. This is literally a war on drugs. These people that we are killing, we're killing them before they can kill our kids. And it is working. Many of the countries in south, in Central America are becoming more cooperative. Mexico is becoming more cooperative. They're not where we want them, but I mean, it's working.
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Dave Rubin
All right. Senator John Kennedy, you know, we had you on a couple weeks ago. I'm pretty sure my audience likes you more than they like me. So I don't know how I feel about this.
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Senator John Kennedy
I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't believe that. But thank you for saying it.
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Dave Rubin
I am glad to finally meet you in person and, and chat a little bit before you get out of town. Are you going to get out of here on time? Are they going to leave too many things untied so they keep.
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Senator John Kennedy
Well, you know, this is our last week, of course, and I think we've got to do the National Defense Authorization Act. There could be a few surprises there. We've got some more confirmations. The big issue is the budget, and I don't know whether Thune is going to bring it to a vote on the floor or not. We've got, we've got one Republican holdout. You know, what he's asking for is, is frankly something we can't do.
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Dave Rubin
Who's the holdout?
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Senator John Kennedy
Right. I don't want to say. We have a sort of courtesy. Holes are supposed to be confidential.
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Dave Rubin
I was suddenly trying to break some news.
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Senator John Kennedy
Just let me just observe. Some people would rather be hated than ignored. And this person is kind of like that. He's got, he wants the attention of it.
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Dave Rubin
Gotcha. So what, you've been through this rodeo before. So what's it like in this week where, you know, you're coming up on a deadline, everyone wants to get out, you've got to finish work. I mean, is, is half of it just. People just are like, all right, just sign something so we can get the hell out of here.
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Senator John Kennedy
No, actually, deadlines, Deadlines help. I mean, you know what Congress is like, oh, well, let me speak about the Senate because I never served in the House. Sometimes it. In the Senate it can take days, weeks, months to get nothing done. I mean, it's just. But when we have a deadline and we know we have to do something. What's the old expression, the sight of the gallows concentrates the mind. You know, people get focused and go, okay, I got to make a decision here. I got to stop dithering and pontificating and, and make a decision. And that's. So that's good or bad. Should we wait this long? No. If I were king for a day, I'm not and I don't aspire to be. I would do it differently, but that's just the way it works.
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Dave Rubin
What do you make of the general state of politics right now? Just the sort of, you know, Trump, we got midterms coming in. From where I sit, I keep saying, everybody that's sitting in that chair today, I think Trump's just doing an absolute bang up job right now. It seems like maybe there's an optics problem. Or something. But what do you make of the general state of where things are at?
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Senator John Kennedy
Well, I don't. Good question, Dave. I don't think it's a news flash that our country is divided, but within the left and the right, I think you have a large group of people that predictably and accurately say, okay, we don't care what your politics are, just do something. Because both sides, and leadership on both sides has this propensity to talk and do nothing. President Trump, whether you agree with him or not, he's done a lot. I mean, we just left, for example, a classified briefing with Senator, now Secretary Rubio and Secretary Ed Seth and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs about what's going on with the narco terrorists off the coast of Venezuela. Trump's doing something. I mean, it's working. It's been highly effective. It's legal, as was explained to us. The intelligence is exquisitely good. It's always been good, but we're acting on it. And for years, we've talked about a war on drugs. This is literally a war on drugs. These people that, that we are killing, we're killing them before they can kill our kids. And it is working. Many of the countries in south and Central America are becoming more cooperative. Mexico is becoming more cooperative. They're not where we want them, but I mean, it's working.
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Dave Rubin
So did you see this? What is, at least, as I understand it, still classified video of the double tap. I'm completely with you on this. I think a war goes two ways. We've been. We've been getting hit with the bad side of getting our kids killed with drugs and not doing anything. So I'm completely on board this. But there was all this kerfuffle about a second strike and a double tap and all that. Have you seen all that now? And do you feel confident around everything they did and all that kind of stuff?
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Senator John Kennedy
Well, there is a very carefully defined set of rules in our military. Unlike in some other countries, when you take prisoners of war, when you help survivors, when you don't. And let me just say, based on what I've seen, our military did it by the book. They did it by the book. Now, we have some people in Congress, in the Senate, mostly Democrats, some Republicans, who want to nitpick this. They want to nitpick, they want to poke holes in it, but you can't. And that's their right. I mean. I mean, some people are just wrong on every issue. It's like. It's a gift, you know, but they have the right to their opinion.
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Dave Rubin
Well, usually because they just take the opposite of what Trump's doing.
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Senator John Kennedy
Exactly, exactly. But it's been very effective. And I think most Americans say, okay, well, finally somebody's doing something.
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Dave Rubin
What do you think the Republicans have to do so that the midterms either don't go as poorly as most people are predicting or go, well, I think.
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Senator John Kennedy
We'Ve got to address the cost of living issue. Listen, elections have won or lost on the things that people, when moms and dads lie down to sleep at night and can't, what are they worrying about? Elections are won and lost on, on which side addresses those issues. And there's no question, no question, the cost of living is one of those. Now, the President and Congress and frankly, the Federal Reserve have, have done a pretty good job on Inflation. Inflation was 9%. Inflation. It didn't originate in a bat. It was man made. And that man's name was Joe Biden. Yeah, we've gotten it down. President Trump and the Republicans in Congress and the Federal Reserve have gotten it down to 3%. But what does that mean? That means that prices, they're still going up, not as quickly as they were, but they're still going up 3%. And we've got to address that. There's only so much the president can do. Congress has got to do its job. Here's what I have. I have urged. Urged is probably the wrong word. I'm being polite Senator Thune to do. I have hit Senator Thune with everything but a chair I've been chasing like he stole Christmas. I say, look, Senator Thune, bring another reconciliation bill to deal with cost of living. We don't have to have any Democratic votes. We will welcome them, but we don't. We can do it with all Republican votes just like we did the one big beautiful bill. We've got legislation already on to lower the cost of housing. We've got over over 200 tax changes we can make to stimulate the economy and increase wages. We can address the health care issue, the fiasco of Obamacare. We can, we can talk about PBMs. Now we have to do that within the confines of the Budget Control Act. I don't want to get us off in the weeds, but in some people say, well, Budget Control act won't let us do that. Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the parliamentarians ruling. But the last time we passed meaningful legislation was one big beautiful bill. And when it takes effect this year, it's going to help. But the American people want us to see us do more and for the life of me, I just don't understand. Senator Thorne is my friend, but I do not understand why he would not bring a bill and let us put together a bill. He controls the floor. I can put together a bill, but I can't bring it to the floor without his permission. If Chuck Schumer had the. Had the authority right now to pass virtually anything he wants to within the confines of the Budget Control act, only with. With only Democratic votes, what do you think he'd do? He'd be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. And so why aren't we doing it right? So is it frustrating? As I can. As you can tell, Balance of Nature's.
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Dave Rubin
I mean, do you view that simply that Democrats, as a general rule, believe in more government, so they're willing to do whatever it takes via government to get their goals accomplished where Republicans generally don't. So. So it's just an ideological thing.
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Senator John Kennedy
Senator Clinton's being cautious. He's new in the job. I think he's being cautious. But sometimes you got to throw deep, you know, you just got to throw deep. And we wouldn't be passing bills that would necessarily grow government. For example, our health care bill. I want to reduce the parameters of Obamacare so people can buy insurance in the private sector. I want to pass bills if we have to, without Democratic support. That reduces rules and regulations. Our business people spend probably two to three trillion dollars, not billion, trillion dollars a year complying with rules and regulations. Those costs are passed on. If you get rid of 25% of them, you'll see goods and services go down in price. That's less government. That's what I would do. But again, I can't bring the bill to the floor without John's permission.
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Dave Rubin
Do you think some of this is just a speed issue in that Biden screwed up so much? So over the course of whether it was Biden or whoever was in charge, they screwed up so much that there's a certain impatience. Trump's only been back in office for 11 months. So many good things have happened, but people just kind of want everything like that.
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Senator John Kennedy
Well, it could be. I mean, you may be onto something, Dave, and I don't mean to blame everything on Senator Thune. He's my friend. We just disagree on this. There are some other senators that are encouraging him to be cautious, but there's a whole group of us that are saying no. You know, we were elected to do something, and right now the American people want us to do something on. On cost of living, among other things. I mean, we were very bold in our actions on immigration. It worked. It worked. We've been very bold in our actions on crime. It's worked. Crime is down. We've been very bold in terms of standing up to China and Putin and to Iran. The president was very bold when he told Iran, you can't have a nuclear weapon. They said, watch us. The president said, watch me. You know, he knocked him into a new zip code. He should have done that. But we, we've got to be bold on the cost of living. And in my opinion, how much of.
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Dave Rubin
Your job is the nuts and bolts, political stuff and maneuvering and all that, versus the messaging part? Because you're obviously an all star on the messaging side, but is it a 50, 50 thing of being out there trying to convey this stuff versus all the internal fights, or how do you decide when you wake up every day, how much of each you have to do?
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Senator John Kennedy
Well, every senator has his own style. All I can do is describe mine. I spent an enormous amount of time reading and studying early in the morning, late at night, when I have time during the day, going to hearings. Part of it is messaging. Whoever wins the messaging war generally wins elections. But a lot of it is doing and the role of the center. I spend my time doing two things. Number one is trying to advance good ideas. I've passed a number of bills this Congress. I'm very proud of that. So part of my job is to advance good ideas. But I see part of my job is to kill bad ideas. Kill bad ideas.
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Dave Rubin
I think that's. That's right here.
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Senator John Kennedy
That's right. And that's important. When? When? Right now. I spend about 50, 50% of my time on that. During The Biden administration, I spent 80% of my time killing bad ideas and killing bad nominees, and it worked. And people think that when you're a senator, all you do is advance good ideas. That's only part of the job.
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Dave Rubin
How worried are you that if the Democrats get control of the House and if the midterms go poorly, that it really, for maybe for the first time in modern way, fundamentally changes the direction of the country? Like, we got so close to the end in some way with Biden, we seem to have gotten it back with Trump. But if he, if the midterms go the wrong way, he ends up as lame duck. It's like they can, they can bring all the damage back that much quicker.
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Senator John Kennedy
It's serious, man. It's, I'm very worried about it. It's serious as an aneurysm, man, because I know what's going to happen. We're more likely. I'm not saying we will, but we're more likely to lose the House than the Senate. But the Senate is, is, is going to be difficult. We're going to have to work. But it must say we'll lose the House. We will get nothing done. Last two years. And President Trump is going to be in one impeachment proceeding after the other.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah.
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Senator John Kennedy
I mean, his presidency and our ability to respond to the needs of the American people will both grind to a halt. And I don't want that.
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Dave Rubin
I asked you this a couple of weeks ago, but I'm curious if anything's changed when you're talking to your Democrat colleagues and you mentioned Schumer before and it seems to me that he's kind of lost control of the, of the asylum over there?
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Senator John Kennedy
Yes.
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Dave Rubin
Are any of them privately saying to you, man, we wish that it hadn't gone this far left that, you know, maybe, maybe we should be listening a little more to the Fettermans and a little bit less to the Ilhan Omar's, let's say.
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Senator John Kennedy
Sure. But they're scared. I mean, there are, there are wings of the Democratic Party, just like their wings of the Republican Party. The Democratic Party has a loon wing.
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Dave Rubin
The problem is the size of the.
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Senator John Kennedy
Wing and, and it's in the ascendancy.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah.
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Senator John Kennedy
And it's gotten. I don't know that. I wouldn't say they're. Well, I don't know whether they're the majority of the party or not, but they're certainly the loudest.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah.
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Senator John Kennedy
And they're in control. And every Democrat is scared of them.
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Dave Rubin
Do you sympathize With Chuck ever. I mean, do you ever go, man, he lost control of these guys.
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Senator John Kennedy
I saw Chuck this morning. I rode in the elevator with him down to what we call our skiff, where we have our classified briefings. And we were just talking. We talked about the horrible killings in Australia. So I get along well with Chuck. But. But Chuck is a political. A deeply political animal. He's been in Washington a long time. He. He sees everything, almost everything, through a political lens. And right now, he knows what. You know, what I know. Occasional Congresswoman Ocasio Cortez is. Is going to do one or two things. One of three things. She's either going to run for speaker of the House if the Democrats take control, she's going to run against Chuck Schumer for the Senate, or she's going to run for President. And you say, well, you know, she's nutty as a fruitcake. She can't win. I don't know.
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Dave Rubin
I mean, look what just happened in New York City.
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Senator John Kennedy
Yeah. What happened in New York City? Look at Congresswoman Crockett.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah.
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Senator John Kennedy
You. You just never know. And so everything, in my opinion, almost everything. I don't want to be unfair that Senator Schumer is doing is to. Is to try to get the left, the loony left, the Bolshevik wing of his party to love him. And they will never love him.
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Dave Rubin
They'll never love him.
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Senator John Kennedy
He's just better off doing what he thinks is right. He. When he. When he worked with us not to shut down government back in March, he did the right thing. He got the living hell beat out of the people on his side. And since then, it's just clear by his, you got to watch what politicians do, not what they say. And I regret that. But I'm a pragmatist. I deal with the world as it is, and that's the world we live in in the United States Senate.
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Dave Rubin
Do you like the fact that your state, Louisiana, kind of flies under the radar? I mean, obviously, you. When I see you on network television, you're talking about national issues. So Louisiana, I would say, is in a. In a kind of bucket with a few other states that we don't talk about that much. And my suspicion is that's probably pretty good.
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Senator John Kennedy
Well, sometimes.
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Dave Rubin
Probably means it's working.
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Senator John Kennedy
Sometimes. Out of sight, out of mind.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah.
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Senator John Kennedy
I sit on the Appropriations Committee. I never asked for a penny more than we need, but I never accept a penny less than we deserve. I take care of my state.
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Dave Rubin
What are the types of things that you have to fight for?
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Senator John Kennedy
Look, Let me just say I love Louisiana. I mean, I do. It's. We are, we are. Texas is five and a half. Texas gets a lot of great publicity right next door to Texas. Texas is five and a half times bigger than Louisiana. We are ten and a half times more interesting than they are. I mean, Louisiana is just a unique place and I love it. But sometimes out of sight is out of mind. Petrochemicals, very important to us. Offshore drilling is very important to us. Tourism in New Orleans is important. Timber production, agriculture, aquaculture, shipbuilding, healthcare is important to us. And I try to work on all things, those things to help my state. We're doing, we're doing much better in terms of education, which I worked on a lot when I was back in state government. So I'm gratified by that. But Louisiana is, you know, people say, what's Louisiana like? And I just tell them, you got to come experience. Experience that. It's like trying to explain the holy spirit, you know, you got to experience it. And they said, was the food good? And I said, well, sure. You know, we, we eat things that you would call an exterminator for to get out of your backyard. But we know how to cook them.
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Dave Rubin
Believe it or not, I have only driven through Louisiana, so I'm going to make a. I'm Going to make a commitment on this show. All right. All right. So I'm going to come and. Do you cook? Does the wife who's doing the cooking?
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Senator John Kennedy
I am the worst cook God ever put breath in.
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Dave Rubin
You see how I just invited myself to your house?
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Senator John Kennedy
Fortunately, Becky, my spouse. My wife loves to cook.
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Dave Rubin
Okay.
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Senator John Kennedy
She has the patience for it.
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Dave Rubin
Okay.
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Senator John Kennedy
And she loves to it. Loves it. But I'll tell you a quick story.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah.
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Senator John Kennedy
I'm not Cajun, but a big portion of southwest Louisiana in my state is Cage, of course. And two famous Cajun names for a woman is Marie and a man is Boudreaux. And I tell this, this joke all the time. If Adam and Eve had been named Boudreaux and Marie, they would have ignored the apple and eaten the snake. And the world would be without original sin.
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Dave Rubin
There you go. A little seasoning on that snake. I'll do it. I'll tell you a great New Orleans story, even though I haven't been there. My last dog who's no longer with us was a rescue from Hurricane Katrina.
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Senator John Kennedy
Oh, God bless you.
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Dave Rubin
She gave birth during the hurricane. They found her in a box with three puppies that were nursing. The puppies were healthy. She was deathly ill. The hurricane, do you remember? Was it August of 2005, I think? That's right. She wasn't able to be adopted until June of 2006. Cause she was so ill, they moved the dogs across the country. I get her. She ends up living to 16 years old. We had to put her down right before COVID But about a year before her death, she had bladder cancer. And I put a tweet up about her telling her story from New Orleans and everything. And a girl reaches out to me and she says, I have her son Bernard. And Bernard was at. They got saved at St. Bernard's parish in New Orleans. And it turned out she lived only a few miles away from me. So Emma, my dog, at 16 years old, right before dying, was reunited with her son Bernard, who was an old timer, too. 14 or 15 at that time. And right before we had to put her down, they got to meet up again in Los Angeles. Think about that life.
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Senator John Kennedy
That is awesome.
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Dave Rubin
Isn't that something?
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Senator John Kennedy
Isn't that something? I spent a lot of my time during Consortium Rita Katrina, not only rescuing people, but rescuing animals. And look, I would. I've got two pups at home. They're both rescues. I wouldn't ask Becky to choose between me and our pups.
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Dave Rubin
You just don't want to see which.
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Senator John Kennedy
Way that I mean, look, I, I think, I think God is great, dogs are good and people are crazy. That's kind of my, my philosophy.
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Dave Rubin
What do you think when, when you wrap up your career that you want people to, to look back and say about you more than anything? I'm not saying you're going anywhere.
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Senator John Kennedy
People to look back and say, you know, Kennedy left something behind besides Styrofoam that, that, you know, he didn't, he, he didn't, he didn't win every fight, but he refused to be beaten and that he did his everything he could to every now and then, not every day, not every week, not every month, because it's hard. Change is hard. But he did everything he could every now and then to hit it a hard lick and he budged it and turned the ship a little bit. That's what I want. And I like what I do. I'm not one of these politicians that tries to convince people it's a sacrifice. I'm having the time of my life, man.
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Dave Rubin
It's pretty obvious I like it.
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Senator John Kennedy
Yeah, it's not for everybody. You have good days, bad days. You never have a boring day. And I'll probably, I'll do this probably until I die or my people tell me it's time for you to come home.
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Dave Rubin
Are there days that you're like, I can't take much more of this because I remember, I remember vividly a few years ago. Interviewing no. No, I saw him at an event, actually, I saw that that time, Senator Marco Ruby at an event, and he seemed, he seemed just like kind of defeated by the machine. And now you look at him as secretary of State and it's like, man, this guy was born for this job.
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Senator John Kennedy
Yeah.
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Dave Rubin
So it, so it does ebb and flow like that. But do you, do you have those moments when you lose a fight and you're just like, sure.
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Senator John Kennedy
It's, I mean, you know, we're all human. Look, I don't hate anybody. Don't. When I, when I pray, I ask God, don't let me hate. Because it's hard in Washington. This is a democratic town, not just the politicians, but the bureaucrats, the think tanks, the universities, the press. And, you know, I told this story in the book, I said, you know, I live in this overpriced little Capitol Hill apartment and some days when I'm going to work, I give myself a pep talk and I say, kennedy, don't hate. You know, today you're going to follow Jesus, and I do. But by 10 o', clock, I still want to follow Jesus, but I want to slap somebody. That's human nature.
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Dave Rubin
Yeah.
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Senator John Kennedy
So, yeah, you have days when you get discouraged. But, you know, I'm old enough and experienced enough that, you know, falling down is not the worst thing that can happen to you. The worst thing can happen to you is not getting up.
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Dave Rubin
That seems like the right way to end the interview. It was a pleasure.
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Senator John Kennedy
Thanks, man. Let me move this. Dave, you're a rock star, man. I love your show.
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Dave Rubin
Right on.
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