Tense Moment at Trump-Mamdani Meeting That No One Predicted

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Rubin Report

Episode: “Tense Moment at Trump-Mamdani Meeting That No One Predicted”

Host: Dave Rubin
Date: November 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode covers a turbulent week in American politics, primarily focusing on the surprising meeting and press conference between former President Donald Trump and New York’s new mayor-elect Zorhan Mamdani. Dave Rubin discusses the optics, subtext, and political implications of this event alongside other key breaking stories: Marjorie Taylor Greene’s sudden retirement, Eric Swalwell’s run for California governor, the influence of foreign actors on American social media discourse, and a controversial election in Nashville. The show’s tone is direct, irreverent, and highly skeptical of both political extremes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump & Mamdani: The Unexpected Press Conference

• Event Recap: Trump sat down with Zorhan Mamdani in the Oval Office—significant given Mamdani’s far-left reputation and frequent past accusations of Trump as a “fascist.”
• Optics Analyzed:
  • Trump was overtly friendly—smiling, touching Mamdani, expressing confidence in him:

    “I feel very confident that he can do a very good job. I think he’s going to surprise some conservative people...” (Dave Rubin recapping Trump, 06:15)

  • Rubin’s take: This is “keeping your enemies close” and an intentional move to make Mamdani less palatable to his hard-left base.
  • Trump’s friendliness is read as a power play, implying cooperation is necessary despite ideological differences.
• Press Corps Q&A – The Race and Taxation Moment:
  • Jack Posobiec, pro-Trump commentator, grilled Mamdani about alleged plans for “race-based” property taxes that would shift burden from minority to “white” neighborhoods.
  • Mamdani denied race was intent, saying his terminology was about describing neighborhoods, not targeting based on race ([08:10]).
  • Rubin’s skepticism: “If you want people to think all white people are rich so that brown people can be angry at them, I suppose you can do that... He does want to tax what he's calling white neighborhoods.” (08:40)
• Tense Moment – The ‘Fascist’ Question:
  • Mamdani faced his own past words when asked if Trump is a fascist, stammering before Trump cut in:

    Trump (mimicked by Rubin): “That’s okay. You can just say yes. It’s easier than explaining it. I don’t mind.” ([09:48])

  • Rubin’s interpretation: “Trump's ‘nice guy’ act is a message: If Mamdani wants anything from him, he’ll have to play ball.” (10:20)
• Aftermath:
  • Mamdani doubled down on NBC, confirming:

    “After President Trump said that, I said ‘yes.’ … That’s something I’ve said in the past. I say it today.” ([11:25])

2. Mamdani’s Contradictions and Police Funding Stance

• Flip-flop on Defunding the Police:
  • Mamdani’s history of “defund the police” rhetoric contrasted with his current insistence that the NYPD’s 35,000 officers is a “sufficient number” but should “focus on policing” ([13:16]).
  • Rubin’s comment: “Nothing this guy says bears any meaning other than he is doing it all to attain power.” (13:27)
• Fundraising Montage:
  • Compilation of Mamdani repeatedly asking for money post-victory, despite campaigning on free services:

    “Remember how I told you … to stop sending us money? You can start again. This transition requires staff, research...” (Compilation, [14:10-14:45])

  • Rubin mocks the “cute” tone as thinly veiled hypocrisy.

3. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Dramatic Retirement

• Announcement:
  • MTG is stepping away from Congress after a falling out with Trump, who publicly called her a “traitor.”
  • Her resignation speech mixed “putting America first” rhetoric with complaints about expected primary challenges and intra-party strife ([18:40]).
  • Inconsistencies pointed out by Rubin: “You're not going to run because it's going to be tough?... If you really care about the people of your district… why wouldn't you be fighting right now?" ([19:13-21:12])
  • Trump’s biting reaction on social media, labeling her “Marjorie Trader Brown.”
  • The resignation has potential to significantly impact the razor-thin GOP majority in the House.

4. Eric Swalwell Runs for California Governor

• Announcement & Backstory:
  • Eric Swalwell, plagued by association with a Chinese spy (“Fang Fang”) and past TV mishaps, announced on Jimmy Kimmel that he’s running for governor ([27:16]).
  • Despite acknowledging California’s problems—housing prices, regulation, out-migration—Rubin points out these are products of Swalwell’s own party.
• Notable Proposal:
  • Swalwell advocated for voting by phone:

    “If we can do our taxes, do our healthcare appointments … you should be able to vote by phone.” ([29:39])

  • Rubin responds with derision, citing the lack of ID checks and ease of fraud.
  • Ron DeSantis’s reaction: “Voting by phone—no. How ridiculous.” (Paraphrased, [30:18])

5. Nashville Election: Culture Clash

• Controversy:
  • Democratic candidate Afton Ben faces backlash over old audio where she says she “hates” key elements of local culture—country music, bachelorette parties, pedal taverns ([33:57]).
  • Attempts to walk back comments are clumsy and self-contradictory, including a Freudian slip:

    “We all get annoyed with the tourists ... but that doesn't mean I love my city.” ([36:57])

  • Old tweets surfaced advocating for “dissolving” Nashville’s police and supporting “burning down” police stations during 2020 protests ([38:01]); Ben dodges current stance.

6. Viral Democrat Video: Resisting “Illegal Orders”

• Summary:
  • Congressional Democrats aired a video telling military members to “refuse illegal orders” from Trump, but failed to specify what he might order or give examples ([41:31]).
  • When pressed, Alyssa Slotkin admits she “is not aware of things that are illegal” ([42:35]), yet invokes WWII/Nuremberg in justifying her statement.
  • Rubin: “If you can’t name one, why’d you shoot that commercial, you dumb broad?” ([42:53])

7. Attacks on ICE & Lawlessness

• Segments on Violence:
  • MSNBC commentators laugh about ICE agents having their car tires slashed and being chased from restaurants ([44:26]).
  • In Virginia Beach, an assistant principal is arrested for threatening to shoot police and ICE officers ([45:26]).
  • In Texas, residents receive disturbing Christmas cards asking for “the head of a Nazi” for Christmas, raising alarm (46:10).

8. Foreign Agents & Disinformation on X (Twitter) – Major Reveal

• Breaking Story:
  • X (formerly Twitter) now reveals locations of account origin, exposing thousands of popular accounts posing as Americans but linking back to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, and elsewhere ([47:18]).
  • Examples given:
    • “Suppress News” based in North Africa
    • “Conscious philosopher” in Serbia
    • “Clash Reports” in Turkey
    • “Israel Exposed” in Saudi Arabia
    • Even “live from Gaza” accounts tweeting during blackouts shown to be posting from Poland
  • Many overwhelmingly pro/con accounts driving US discourse—revealed as foreign astroturfing.

  • Rubin: “This is an absolutely massive story of foreign ops shaping our political and cultural discourse. Will mainstream media even cover it?” ([52:55])

  • The “right-wing civil war” and waves of MAGA infighting online may have been massively inflated or even manufactured by foreign actors.

9. Cheryl Hines on Discovering “the Right”

• Humanizing Close:
  • Cheryl Hines (Curb Your Enthusiasm, married to RFK Jr.) describes her surprise at the warmth she and her husband received from the political right:

    “Some people [on the left] are very emotional and upset. And then my experience with the right has been they have been accepting and warm. So that's been a little surprising.” ([56:30])

  • Rubin frames this as evidence that, beyond the astroturfed hate sowed online, the “real” America is more tolerant and inclusive on the center-right than depicted digitally.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mamdani’s Meeting w/ Trump:
  • Rubin: "We thought [social media] was a mirror and it turned out to be a funhouse mirror." ([04:45])
  • Trump (paraphrased): “I think he’s going to surprise some conservatives... some liberals already like him.” ([06:15])
• On Foreign Influence via Social Media:
  • Rubin: “Turns out half of the big accounts that follow [Nick Fuentes] are foreign. So we have been manipulated in crazily, crazily effective ways by bad actors.” ([51:22])
• On the Culture War:
  • Rubin: “You're literally now running someone that is on tape saying they hate all the things that everyone loves about Nashville.” ([34:23])
• On the “Illegal Orders” Video:
  • Rubin (sarcastic tone): "If you go back to Nuremberg... that, well, they told me to do it, that's why I murdered people, is not an excuse.” ([42:35])
• Human Moment from Cheryl Hines:
  • Hines: “My experience with the right has been they have been accepting and warm. So that's been a little surprising.” ([56:30])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump–Mamdani Meeting & Press Conference: 06:15-12:48
• Mamdani on Defunding Police & Fundraising: 12:56-14:46
• Marjorie Taylor Greene Retirement & Speech: 18:40-21:12
• Eric Swalwell’s Gubernatorial Announcement: 27:16-29:39
• Nashville Election Flap (Ben’s “I hate the city” remarks): 33:57-37:14
• Afton Ben pressed on anti-police tweets: 38:01
• Democrats’ ‘Refuse Illegal Orders’ video: 41:31-42:53
• ICE Agent Attacks and Lawlessness: 44:26-45:46
• Foreign-Run Social Media Accounts Exposed: 47:18-53:00
• Cheryl Hines on the Right’s Welcome: 56:30-57:07

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Episode Takeaways

• The Trump–Mamdani meeting was as much theater as politics, aimed both at bridging divides and at undermining each other’s bases.
• America's political scene is rocked by personality drama (MTG, Swalwell, etc.) but there is deep skepticism about political authenticity on all sides.
• Social media manipulation—by both algorithms and foreign actors—is shaping American political perceptions and dividing communities, often more than domestic actors or genuine movements.
• The center-right is portrayed as more tolerant and big-tented in real life than online manufactured discourse would suggest.

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For listeners seeking a critical, sometimes wry take on American politics—particularly as it intersects with digital culture, media manipulation, and the culture wars—this episode highlights how much of the apparent chaos and division may be manufactured, not merely organic.

Transcript

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Allow me to give a little golf clap to Martha McCallum. Hello. Hello. I'm Dave Rubin. This is the Rubin Report. And it's very important that I tell you the date at the top of the show. According to the audience Today is November 24, 2025. That's right. We're just days away from from Thanksgiving. So if your calendar is just completely missing right now without me, I've just warned you there's a turkey a coming. You're going to Be spending time with some family, probably got a crazy aunt who's going to say some loony shit. It's all going to happen this week. We are live today. And tomorrow we'll be pre taping our Wednesday show. Then I have a little, just like a two minute message for you on Thanksgiving. We didn't want to drop you with politics. And I hope, really, I hope everybody takes a little time this week to spend some time around family and friends and loved ones and enjoy themselves and truly to be thankful, right? Like, how about we extend it all week. Let's just be thankful all week for this incredible country and all of the goodness and freedom that we still have that's constantly being hacked away at by bad people, many of whom we will talk about on the show today. And sort of, I said this a couple times last week, but right now, something in the news is just kind of thick. There's just like a lot going on. So it's a little bit of everything. Today's show, sort of as we've been doing the last couple days, a little about Zorhan showing up to the White House, which happened on Friday. Marjorie Taylor Greene is retiring, although sort of announced a comeback in her retirement. Eric Swalwell, a man who once parted on msnbc, will be running for governor of the communist country of California. And then we're gonna end on what actually I think is the biggest story that broke over the weekend, which is that X, formerly Twitter, they have now publicly added where accounts were created and where they are tweeting from. And it turns out that there are literally thousands and thousands of major accounts with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of followers who are pretending to be American. And they are often operating in a ton of them in Pakistan, in Saudi Arabia, in Bangladesh, all of these crazy places. And we have been just so manipulated. It's what I'm always saying about social media. We thought it, it was a mirror and it turned out to be a funhouse mirror. So we'll get into all of that and more. But let's start with the Communists visiting D.C. that's right. Moron Zamboni showed up at the White House on Friday and he and Trump had a little chat and then they had an extremely interesting press conference. After everything about this, the optics of Trump sitting at the desk in the Oval Office with Mom Dahme standing there, the overt smiles by Trump, the several times he touches him, there was just an awful lot of subtext to it. But here is Donald Trump saying that he's confident that Zorhan can do a good job. And that may shock some people, but who knows? I mean, we're going to see what works or he's going to change also. We all change. I change a lot. Change a lot from when I first came to office. It's now quite a while ago, we had discussions on some things. I'm not going to discuss what they were, but that I feel very confident that he can do a very good job. I think. I think he's going to be. I think he is going to surprise some conservative people, actually, and some very liberal people. He won't surprise him because they already like him. Okay, so there's a whole bunch here. Because the base reaction to that, when you. If you have not seen that video before, you probably just reacted like my initial reaction was, which was kind of like disgust. Right. This guy is a communist. He has called Trump a fascist a million times. We know he is trying to import all of the bad ideas that all of our ancestors fled. And it's deeply sad that the once great Homer of capitalism in America, New York City, could be going in that direction. So there's. That's sort of like what the immediate answer is. Why is Trump smiling? Why are they playing nice? All of that stuff. Now, let's do the. I would say, slightly more thoughtful analysis, which first would be you keep your friends close but your enemies closer. I think that's the main thing that Trump is doing there. Okay. That's number one. Number two, he's just playing politics. Whether you like it or not, you are going to have to work with people who are pretty terrible. And Sorhan may think that Trump's terrible and Trump may think he's terrible, but at some point, you are going to have to work together, whether it's through funding issues or if there was a terror attack in New York, the financial system that still exists there, at least for now, like, there's a lot of reasons, so there's some of that. But I think Trump was actually doing a little bit something deeper than all of that there, beyond just playing politics and trying to bring the guy in and all that. I think what he was also trying to do was by being so friendly and smiling, we're gonna show you a couple more videos. He wanted that to kind of stick with moron Zamboni. Right? All of Moran, Zamboni's supporters think Trump is a fascist and is Nazi and is Hitler and all those things. And again, those are his own words calling him a fascist and everything else. So by Sitting there with Trump, as Trump keeps touching him and smiling. And I think he's gonna do a great job and I'm looking forward to working with him. It's actually putting a little stank on Zorhan with his own base. So I think what Trump did right there was quite effect. Then they did something even a little more effective, which is they had Jack Posobic, they had the, you know, the press corps there, and they threw to Jack Posobic, who's obviously a huge Trump supporter, big in MAGA world, to ask Zorhan over his stated plans to tax white neighborhoods more. Mr. President, I wanted to know, one of the policies as well that Mayor Lake Mondame talked a number of times about on the campaign was shifting the tax burden for property tax taxes from what he called minority communities to white based communities and putting more taxes on white people. I also noticed that in your acceptance speech, you didn't mention, didn't mention anything about America or Christians or white people in general. And so I didn't know if that was one of the policies that you guys had spoken about. We focused on affordability, we focused on the cost of living crisis. You're continuing this idea of race based property tax. No, to be very clear, no, the use of the term was a description of neighborhoods, not a description of intent. All right, so first off, let me give sober credit there. It's good to ask a direct question and follow up. Zorhan, obviously, like, if you can't see the obvious wolf in sheep's clothing thing with him, like, I just don't know what to tell you. He said white neighborhoods and that's what he meant. And now he was just a descriptor to mean rich. Okay, well, if you want people to think that all white people are rich so that brown people can be angry at them, I suppose you can do that. But everything that this guy represents, yes, it is well packaged. We've been through this already. Like, the suit fits okay fine, he's got the smile, whatever, like, and that just works. He's never actually accomplished anything. He's never done anything. He's never run a freaking shoe store or anything else, or worked part time at McDonald's as far as I know. Which, by the way, is a perfectly honorable thing to do. He is a child of privilege, the thing that his supporters hate the most. But yes, he is. He does want to tax what he's calling white neighborhoods because he thinks all white people are rich. He does want to tax them more. Then it continued. And this is this is the main takeaway of the entire thing. Here's Zorhan being asked if he thinks Trump is a fascist, something he has repeatedly said over the last year.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Asked about your comment calling the president a fascist, and your answer was, both President Trump and I have been clear about our positions and our views. Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?

[Dave Rubin]

I've spoken about. That's okay. You can just say yes. Okay. It's easier. It's easier than explaining it. I don't mind. Okay, so that clip right there is. When I saw that one, that's where I came up with my secondary thought of what Trump is really doing. The fact that he's smiling through it, that he's tapping him on the arm repeatedly, that he's going out of his way to help the guy there. Right. Because Mamdani was going to flounder in that answer. There's really no way to get around that. You're standing in the Oval Office with the president right here. You've been calling him a fascist. Now you either have to say, well, actually, I was lying, or I didn't mean it, or, you know, that's just politics, like just kind of expose your grift and your fraudness, or you have to double down and literally be like, yes, he is a fascist, but I'm going to work with him. I happen to be standing with him right now. So Trump, maybe. In that case, Trump jumped the gun a little bit because you could have let him flounder. But I really think what Trump was doing there was Mr. Nice Guy. Mr. Nice Guy. Mr. Nice Guy. We're in on this together, buddy. So if you're gonna want anything out of me, you better start playing ball. I think that was what Trump's intention was. However, then the next. Then it was. That was Friday. Then on Sunday, Mom, Donnie went over to NBC and he was asked again if he thinks Trump's a fascist.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

In that press conference with President Trump, a reporter asked you whether you believe that President. President Trump is, in fact, a fascist, a word that you've used in the past. You were about to answer. Then President Trump sort of jumped in and he said, quote, that's okay. You can just say yes. It's easier than explaining it. So, Mr. Mayor elect, just to be very clear, do you think that President Trump is a fascist?

[Dave Rubin]

And after President Trump said that, I said, yes.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

So you do.

[Dave Rubin]

And that's something that I've said in the past. I say it today. And I think what I appreciated about the conversation that I had with the President was that we were not shy.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

About the places of disagreement, about the.

[Dave Rubin]

Politics that has brought us to this moment. Incredible. It's incredible how evil he is. The fake smile, it's all perfectly planned. The body motions, it's acting. It's just method acting. It's so obvious. So, okay, congratulations. You think the President of the United States is a fascist. If you really believe that moron Zamboni, you wouldn't be working with him. You wouldn't be standing there smiling, Right? Fascists are kind of like Nazis in your imaginary worldview, right? Would you be standing there? So would you stand next to Hitler and well, you kind of. Well, he'd probably be into the Hitler stuff, but okay.

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Here'S another question Zorhan asked about all of the times that he tweeted out defund the police and well watch.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Five years ago, you were calling for defunding the police. Now you are in charge of the largest police department in the country. You have tapped Commissioner Jessica Tisch to stay on in her job. She has accepted she wants to put thousands more police officers on the streets of New York. Will you do that, Mr. Mayor Elect?

[Dave Rubin]

I've said over the course of the campaign that I think the number we have had budgeted of 35,000 officers.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Officers is a sufficient number. What we have to do, however, is allow those officers to focus on policing.

[Dave Rubin]

Oh, we have to allow them focus on policing. So as you guys know, when he was calling for defunding the police, that was when he was just a radical BLM person. Now, it's all right. The number of police is right, but we're gonna have them doing other things right. Because you know what he wants? He wants you to call a social worker if you're in the middle of a domestic. Middle of a domestic violence incident or anything else. So nothing, nothing this guy says bears any meaning other than he is doing it all to attain power. And again, if you just can't see it with him, I don't know what to. As a Host of a program. I don't know what to tell you, the viewer. Well, here's a perfect example of it. So you know, everything is free. It's all free. The buses are free. The healthcare is free. You're gonna live for free. You can eat for free. Everything's free. Except when he needs your money, which he needs all the time. Here's just a quick compilation of the times he's asked for money since being elected. Remember how I told you a few months ago to stop sending us money? You can start again. This transition requires staff, research and an infrastructure that can meet this moment. Still asking for your help because we need to raise $4 million in total. So January 1st can be the day we start to deliver. Not start to prepare. I hope very soon not to have to ask you for money. But until then, I'm asking. Thieves. They are changing the air. It is crisp.

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[Dave Rubin]

Is we still need you to donate. There's something about it that's like. It's like purposely insulting. Does that seem right to you guys? Like there's something about the way he's doing it. Like he's trying to be funny about asking you for money. So he ran this entire thing on money. Doesn't really mean anything. And we're going to take all the money from those people and we'll give you all this stuff for free. And then with the music in the background and the. And the quick jump cuts, it's. It's actually. And maybe that's part of it. I gotta get someone on to study this. Maybe we need like a linguistic expert or something. Or a video editing somebody. Like there's something about it. Like it's. So it's all like kind of a throwaway. Like, now I'm being cute. Now I'm just being cute because I need money. Because now you morons elected me, so I'm going to have to partly tell you the truth. But at least we'll do it with jump cuts. Good luck, New York. You're gonna need it. Let's talk about Noble Gold for a second, guys. Gold has officially gone mainstream. Every day, more and more Americans are discovering the power of gold. But how do you actually take advantage of it? Invest in simple ways. Well, that's where Noble Gold investments come in. Their specialists are trained to help investors like you go from confused to confident. Whether you're looking to roll over an old 401k into a gold IRA or want physical coins in bars delivered right to your home, Noble Gold makes The process simple, secure and stress free. You'll get step by step guidance, transparent pricing and US based service from a trusted team that's handled over 2.5 billion in precious metal transactions with Noble Gold Investments. Protecting and growing your wealth isn't just their job, it's their commitment. Visit davrubingold.com today to claim your free wealth protection kit. That's Dave Rubin, Gold.com, noble Gold, helping you build a stronger future. Okay, so what's going on politically besides the Marxist meeting the fascist? Well, Marjorie Taylor Greene has announced that she is stepping away from Congress. This woman has got more drama than a Bravo show in sweeps week. Listen to this from Headline this from Fox. Marjorie Taylor Greene announced his resignation from Congress after President Trump withdraws endorsement. President Trump called Greene a ranting lunatic in a truth social post dropped last week. Now, I don't pat myself on the back that often, do I? But I will for this moment because what did I say last week when the whole thing was going on and everyone was like, she's fighting with Trump over Epstein and blah, blah. I said, I think what they're actually fighting over is that he's looking at some numbers and it doesn't look like a Senate run or a governor run is going to work for her in Georgia. So that's what they're really fighting about because he's probably not going to back her anyway. They have the fight and now she's just stepping away from Congress altogether. Listen to this from Leading Report breaking Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene fires back at President Trump for calling her a traitor. I was called a traitor by a man that I fought for for six years. I gave him my loyalty for free. He called me a traitor for standing with these women and refusing to take my, take my name off the discharge petition. Let me tell you what a traitor is. A traitor is an American that serves foreign countries and themselves. Okay, so it's a pretty damning statement. Again, the implication is that Trump is serving foreign countries and that he's serving himself as he's fixing the country. And I don't want to waste time going through the 10 months of great things that he's been doing. But also that she says. What did she say? She did it selflessly. She did it right. What was the exact line? Selflessly? Is that the word that she said selflessly on there? It's like, lady, I'm pretty sure you got pretty famous and I'm pretty sure you got a lot of notoriety and everything for writing Trump's coattails Now, for whatever reason politically, or you see the tea leaves changing, or you see frustration with MAGA or whatever, you're moving on. Like, it's just. That's how politics works. That is what it is. So we'll show you a portion of her resignation speech where she sort of announced if they don't go the way she wants them to go after her, she's going to come back. Which is strange to announce the retirement and the comeback in one shot, but okay.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

My only goal and desire has ever been to hold the Republican Party accountable for the promises it makes to the American people and put America first. I have too much self respect and dignity. I love my family way too much and I do not want my sweet district to have to endure a hurtful and hateful primary against me by the President that we all fought for, only to fight and win my election. While Republicans will likely lose the midterms and in turn be expected to defend the President.

[Dave Rubin]

That is really weak, lady. So you're not gonna run because it's gonna be tough. I mean, that's basically what she just said right there. I'm not gonna put my district through a tough race. What is politics? What have you been doing all these years? Right. You've been fighting with everybody. And I get it. She's. And I try, as I said last week, I'm not gonna do it every day this week. The given the devil his due thing, like she's trying to have a little bit of a mea culpa around. Oh, I've been kind of mean. But what are you saying? If this is the fight of everything and you're. This is the most important thing you just don't like. If you really care about the people of your district and you think you're the best to fight everything, like why wouldn't you be fighting right now? Which again, I think that's probably more proof that she just doesn't think she can win in her own district here. Continued.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

I refuse to be a battered wife hoping it all goes away and gets better. If I am cast aside by the President and the MAGA political machine and replaced by neocons, big pharma, big tech, military industrial war complex, foreign leaders and the elite donor class that can never ever relate to real Americans, then many common Americans have been cast aside and replaced as well. There is no plan to save the world or a 4D chess game being played when common American people realize and understand that the political industrial complex of both parties is ripping this country apart. That not one elected leader like me is able to stop Washington's machine from gradually destroying our country. And instead the reality is that they common Americans, the people, possess the real power over Washington, then I'll be here by their side to rebuild it. I'll be resigning from office with my last day being January 5, 2026. And I look forward to seeing many of you again sometime in the future.

[Dave Rubin]

I gotta say, guys, I know she's kind of smiling in that and she's saying things that sort of directionally sound right, but something, something does not seem right here. If you believed any of that, you've been a fighter all your life. Why would you not continue fighting now? But if so, the machine that's so evil that's kicking me out, if that machine replaces me with someone that the machine likes, then I'll get back in and fight again. It actually makes no sense. And then this thing that everyone seems to be doing, like just to list off all of these things. So the, it's the neocons and big pharma and foreign donors and elites and all of those things. Well, lady, to whatever extent any of that is true, how do you think stepping away now and coming back after they've strengthened themselves is, is any better? I just genuinely don't understand it. Here's Trump on truth Social. Marjorie Trader Brown, because of plummeting poll numbers and not wanting to face a primary challenge with a strong Trump endorsement where she would have no chance of winning, has decided to call it quits. Her relationship with, worse with the worst Republican congressman in decades, Tom Massie of Kentucky, also known as Rand Paul Jr because he votes against the Republican Party and really good legislation did not help her for some reason, primarily that I refused to return her never ending barrage of phone calls. Marjorie went bad. Nevertheless, I will appreciate Marjorie and thank her for her service to our country, President DJ T. And then because so much of this is kayfabe, right? I'm always telling you guys about kayfabe. This is the concept in WWE Wrestling where it's like we're watching a staged reality, but we're all kind of in a story. This one turns on this one and this guy disappears for two years and then makes a comeback and now hates the guy he used to love. And the two guys who used to love each other now hate this guy and Jake the Snake Roberts and everything else. Here's Trump already saying that he would be willing to make up with Marjorie Taylor Greene before you had a fight with Elon Musk and you guys were able to work it out. No, I get along with everybody. We see the same thing happening between you and. Sure, why not? I mean, I get along with everybody. All right, look, I think that's Right, right? Like, I think that's in some sense, it's the same thing that he's done with Elon. I think it's the same thing that he's sort of doing with Mondami. Yo, you said horrible things about me. I'll be nice to you now. We'll fight later. So Trump, there's nobody that is better at this sort of thing than Trump. Right? Playing the game. Now, particularly interesting to this because you may not care. Okay, so Marjorie Taylor Greene, I get it. She's been like in the media a lot. You may not particularly care about her outside of her district in Georgia. However, the margins right now in the House are so slim that this actually is important. So listen to this. The budget resolution, the thing that we just passed that opened the government passed 217 to 215 with Massey as the GOP. No. And then what that shows you is that if basically one other person defects from the Republican Party, they're in super trouble. So. Meaning they have a very slim majority. You're potentially losing her seat. Now, Massie votes both ways, right? So he doesn't always vote with the Republicans. He has his reasons as a Libertarian. But this basically could throw the House up. Think how much. So with a razor thin margin of one or two votes, think how much power that puts in the hand of just some random congressman in the middle of nowhere. If you want to just get some notoriety and stop Trump right now for whatever the next piece of legislation that comes on down the, down the pike. So there is something. There is something deeply important to the politics of the day here. Thought we'd throw back to that Trump in the burgundy scarf thing. People are really into that. It's a good look for him. You know what I mean? It's. He's says, I'm a man, I wear a scarf. But it's not a pink scarf. I'm still the president, for God's sakes. Let's talk about Shopify for a minute, and then we will get to Eric Swalwell, who is going to run for governor of California. Good luck with all of that. If you've ever shopped online, chances are you've bought from a business that is powered by Shopify. And there's a reason so many businesses use it. Shopify doesn't just make it simple to buy. It makes it incredibly easy to start and run your own business. It's the commerce platform behind 10% of all e commerce in the US powering everything from household names to brand new startups. With Shopify, you can choose from hundreds of beautiful, ready to go templates to express your brand style. You can manage everything in one place, from inventory to payments to analytics, and even grow your audience with built in marketing and email tools. So if you want to see fewer abandoned carts and more cha chings, it's time to check out Shopify. Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling [e-mail] Rubin that's shopify.com Rubin there's a place it's about 3,000 miles that way from here called California. It was once the dream of America, right? It was once not only because of its natural beauty, but because you had to. Americans, we like to. We like adventure, right? We like exploring, we like finding new things. And we started, most of us, because Europe's across the Atlantic. We started on the east coast and then Americans kept moving west and west and west, right? And we built this incredible place called California. And unfortunately, over the last 10 years, largely because of one man, Gavin Newsom, it has turned into what was once the American dream. In many ways, you could argue it's the American nightmare. It's giant government, it's high taxes, it's high regulation, all of the COVID stuff. It has pushed literally over a million people out in the last four years who want to escape for various reasons. Or someone like Elon Musk, who's taken several companies out of Cali, move them to Texas, and then Gavin actually applauds when he gets rid of someone like that and doesn't worry where the tax money's gonna come from for some reason, even though that's what he needs for all his crazy pet projects. Well, if you thought it was bad under Gavin Newsom, it could get worse. Because Eric Swalwell, a man who slept with a Chinese spy named Fang Fang, yes, that is true. He also farted on television while he was talking to Chris Matthews. Here he is on Jimmy Kimmel because it's all theater, announcing that he's running for governor.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. I love California. It's the greatest country in the world country. Greatest country in the world. But that's why it pisses me off to see Californians running through the fields where they work from ICE agents or troops in our streets.

[Dave Rubin]

It's horrifying.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

It's horrifying. It's absolutely horrifying. Or cancer research being canceled. It's awful to look at. And our state, this great state, needs a fighter and a protector, someone who will bring prices down, lift wages up. And we can say that we're the fourth largest economy in the world. And we are, and I love to brag about that, but what does that mean if you can't afford to live here? So I've been in these fights as a city council member up in Dublin, my hometown, as a prosecutor in Oakland, and taking on the most corrupt president ever in the US Congress. But I'm ready to bring this fight home. So I came here tonight, Jimmy, to tell you and your audience that I'm running to be the next governor of California.

[Dave Rubin]

Wish it was like old school Johnny Carson and then just a pie got thrown into his face as he said that. That would have been great. Swalwell, all of the frustrations you have with California are because of your party. You have a super majority over there. If you're upset that people can't afford things in California, it's partly at least because of you. And by the way, it's also, who was the president for the last four years? Trump's only been in office for 10 months. The last four years. It was. Well, it was. We don't know who it was exactly. There was the old man, There was a pen. There was a crazy lady. But the point is, it was your guys that did all of this stuff. So now you're gonna run and it's like, all right, yeah, you were a congressman. You were a lawyer in Oakland. Oakland's just an epicenter of loveliness. Just absolutely awful. And this guy, he's. He's just nothing, right? I have Joseph checking right now, like, has the guy done anything that he. Did he do anything in life? Did he.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Two bills passed in 2013.

[Dave Rubin]

He passed two bills in 2013. Like, again, it's. In some sense, it's like the mom dummy thing. And by the way, Eric Swalwell, you may remember, he ran when Kamala was running and Joe Biden was running when they actually had a primary couple election cycles ago, he ran for president. They let him in one debate, he pulled at zero and left. Like, nobody likes the guy. Good luck, Cali. Like, I don't. I don't care. I got my own problems here. He is also telling us that he would like people to be able to vote by phone, because that. That sounds great.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

I want us to be able to vote by phone. I think every California vote by phone. Yeah, if we can do our taxes, do our, you know, our. Make our healthcare appointments, you know, make essentially your. Do your banking online, you should be able to vote by phone. Make it safe, make it secure. But it's actually already happening all over the United States. I want us to be a blue state that doesn't do just a little bit better than, like, Georgia or Alabama when it comes to, like, voting access. I want us to max out democracy also, as it relates to democracy, if you wait in line for 30 minutes or more, if you do want to vote in person, I think you should fine every county for every minute that a person has to wait longer.

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[Dave Rubin]

I said a pie before, but a frying pan would be fine too. He said that. Multiple. What was that? Multiple counties. Vote by phone. We just checked. Zero. Nobody votes by phone. I mean, think about. We already have a problem in that. Places like California don't ask to see your ID when you vote. They ask your name and your address. So literally. And I remember this, when I lived there, when I would go vote, I one time I actually showed them my id, and the guy kind of freaked out, right? And he goes, dave, I don't need to see it. He actually knew who I was. But, like, think about that. They don't want to see your id, so if you know your neighbor's name and you know your neighbor's address, you can literally just walk in and vote as your neighbor. So, neighbor. So you now want this to be on the phone? Well, hi. Oh, I'm Jim Henson. I don't know why that was the name that popped into my mind, but it's like, because they're all Muppets. That's why I think Ron DeSantis, man here in Florida, who's cleaned up this place. Got something great going here. He put this out on the Twitter machine when he saw that video clip. Vote. Voting by phone. No. How ridiculous. Yeah. And again, guys, it's like, decline is a choice. Like, you can. You can choose it or not. Also, farting is often a choice. Sometimes involuntary, though. Take a look.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

So I came here tonight, Jimmy, to tell you and your audience that I'm running to be the next governor of California.

[Dave Rubin]

Where is Miami? Where is Miami? Oh, I do have an Emmy. That's. Well, it's a side story for another day. Let's talk about CB Distillery for a minute and then we will jump over to Nashville, which is the sane place that potentially has something insane happening. You know those nights when you just can't sleep and the next day you're exhausted and everything feels harder than it should? That's where CBD from CB Distillery can make a real difference. But it's not just about sleep. CB Distillery is solutions that work with your body to help ease stress, support recovery after exercise, and even improve mood and focus. And the best part, it's all made with the highest quality ingredients. No fillers, just premium cbd. Imagine waking up rested or getting through your day without those nagging aches and pains. That's the real win. And it's why over 2 million people trust CB Distillery. So if you're ready for better sleep, less stress, and to feel good in your own skin again, try CBD from CB Distillery. And right now you can save 25% off your entire purchase. Just visit CBDistillery.com and use promo code Reuben. That's CBDistillery.com promo code Reuben. Guys, let's re tape that ad. Mike, I like the fuller beard. Right? Like that's something there. Okay. Over in Nashville, which is a spectacular place in the, we can call it the free state of Tennessee, they've got some problems. Listen to this headline from the American Prospect. Grocery bills and corporate taxes dominate upset bid in Tennessee. Afton Ben is trying to flip a seat Donald Trump won by 22 points in a Dec. 2 special election. She's sounding populist messages to do it. Okay, so this is the congressional district that runs Nashville. Nashville, great city. You got your honky tonks, you got your fried baloney, you got the Daily Wire, some other stuff. Anyway, so this Democrat, Afton Ben, is a bit of an outlier, I would say, for people that live in Nashville. Here she is on a radio show talking about how much she hates Nashville.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Heavily involved with the Nashville mayoral race. Because I hate the city. I hate the bachelorettes. I hate the penal taverns. I hate country music. I hate all of the things that make Nashville apparently and its city to the rest of the country. But I hate it. Yeah, I'm that girl at the airport that all these bachelorettes are giddy walking out and they're in their two toned colored pantone pink shirts and they walk out and I'm like, oh, my God, Nashville. So Palpatine, so loud.

[Dave Rubin]

I mean, of all the crazy things that the Democrats have done we're running communists. We think boys or girls. You're literally now running someone that is on tape saying they hate all the things that everyone loves about Nashville, right? Like, it's just such a fun. It's so fun going there if you've never been there. When you walk down. Is it just called Main Street? What is the. What do they call it? The Main street of Nashville? Broadway. They call it Broadway. It's like, you know, between the honky tonks and the bachelorette parties and just the general vibe and the great hot fried chicken and the music, it's so much fun. It's. It's just. It's just a fun, great place they got. The style is cool. Everything about people look good. And there she is. Like, everything that's good about it. She absolutely hates it. What is she hates? She hates country music. And she's run like. You hate Dolly Parton. You hate that. You hate Morgan Wallen. I googled it. You hate Jason Aldean. Also googled it. What about Kenny Rogers? He's still Kenny Rogers. Still alive. He had some delicious chicken. We'll figure that out. And just. I think he's dead. He's dead. Well, Kenny Rogers is dead. That's just great. Anyway, here is Afton Ben trying to walk back her comments about hating the place that she's running for.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Republicans decided that they're going to start this narrative that me, the state representative who represents downtown Nashville, doesn't like the city. Because I hate the city. I hate the Bachelorettes. I hate the Pedal Taverns. I hate country music. I hate all of the things that.

[Dave Rubin]

Make Nashville apparently, like also saying interesting about the word hate there. Like, she hates the Bachelorettes. She hates country. Like, I don't love country music. I don't. I do like some Dolly Parton. I. I do like some Kenny Rogers. I just said. And even Morgan Wallen's not bad. He's. Yeah, I know. I get it. I get it. It's just not my thing particularly. But I know it's music and I get fully why people like it. Like rap I don't like at all. And I don't understand how anyone listens to it, but like that I get at least. But she's just flat out, I hate it. Not like it's not my thing. You know, I like doo wop, you know, she just freaking hates it. Here she is talking more about that she does get annoyed with the Taurus and then listen to the spectacular Freudian slip. Watch this. Trump has called you the aoc.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Of Tennessee and Republicans have resurfaced old.

[Dave Rubin]

Comments you made, comments that you made about not liking country music.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

What's your response to these Republican attacks?

Yeah, as a Nashvillian, I think we all get a little annoyed with the tourists that come to town, but that doesn't mean I love my city. In fact, instead of sitting on the sideline and complaining about it, I decided to run for office. And that's why I'm the state representative that represents downtown Nashville.

[Dave Rubin]

Did you catch the Freudian slip right there? We all get annoyed with tourists, but that doesn't mean I love my city. Like, even in her apology. Even her. In her fake apology tour, she can't even get it right. Like, what is going on over there? Please, people. I also want to say that one of the best gigs that I ever did, I mean, top three, I'd say the top one probably was the Sydney Opera House with Jordan Peterson a couple years ago. But the. But one of the second ones, second or third, was the Grand Ole Opry in Nashville. To be in that room and perform there live. Sold out crowd. The acoustics were amazing. The Dolly Parton green room, like, it was. It was awesome. Absolutely awesome. Anyway, here's a bit more as MSNBC even blindsided this lady with some of her old tweets.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Representative, in 2020, you made some tweets that have since been deleted that were very critical of police. You said in those since deleted tweets that the metropolitan Nashville police department should be dissolved. Another cheered on a teachers union saying that fund the police should be a requirement for schools reopening. And another saying, good morning, especially to the 54% of Americans that believe burning down a police station is justified. 2020, it was obviously a very fraught year. Do you still stand by those comments? And if not, is there anything you want to clarify? I'm not going to engage in cable news talking points, but what I will say is, is that our communities need solutions. So you don't want to clarify whether you still believe that the police should be defunded? Once again, I don't remember these tweets, but what I'm saying is, is that I'm not asking if you remember, what is your position today? How's that on this issue? I mean, once again, I'm here to talk about my race.

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[Dave Rubin]

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[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

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[Dave Rubin]

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[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

I'm Senator Alyssa Slotkin.

[Dave Rubin]

Senator Mark Kelly. Representative Chris d'.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Aluzio.

Congresswoman Maggie Goodland. Representative Chrissy Houlihan.

[Dave Rubin]

Congressman Jason Crow. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

You can refuse illegal orders.

You must refuse illegal orders.

[Dave Rubin]

You can. You must. Illegal orders. So, again, what did I say last week? It was just so damn obvious. If there were illegal orders, they might have listed them out. They might have said, here are the five things that actually are illegal, and if you're not into it, then you can refuse them. But of course they didn't. It's just this vague thing so that they can get our good, decent members of the military in trouble while they risk nothing. So, anywho, Alyssa Slotkin over there, one of the ladies that was on that video, here she is saying she does not know what the illegal orders are. I'm shocked and appalled. It is very clear that no one should follow an illegal order. But it's very murky when you look at what is an illegal order. And if you go into morally, ethically, that's a pretty tough thing to look at and say, how do I navigate this?

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

I don't. I mean, look, if you go back to Nuremberg, right, that, well, they told me to do it. That's why I murdered people is not an excuse.

[Dave Rubin]

So let's talk right now. Do you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders?

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal.

[Dave Rubin]

Well, then why'd you shoot that commercial, you dumb broad? Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? You put up that video saying, telling them to step away, right? They're the ones that are gonna pay the price, not you, for doing illegal things or for Donald Trump doing illegal things. And now you cannot think of any of them. And to connect this to Nuremberg, which was so disgusting. You know, the argument in Nuremberg during the post World War II trials was that many of the Nazis said, well, I was just following orders, right? And then Nuremberg basically said, well, that. That doesn't count. That doesn't count. If you do horrible things, you know you're gonna pay the price for it. Not just, oh, it came all the way down the chain, so I did horrible things, right? So that she's invoking that, and then can't even tell you. Donald Trump didn't say, go kill a citizen, which is what Hitler was doing. That was what the Nuremberg Trials were about. However, Trump's not taking this one lying down. He retweeted this from just a random account. A guy by the Name of Jim Moran. He wrote, go get all those traitorous sons of bitches for sedition. At the very least, those pompous, traitorous communists should be impeach, beached and prosecuted. So Trump definitely not tamping this one down. It's getting a little hot in here, as they say. What's that video? It's getting hot in here. It's getting by Nelly. Hey, I'm not a fan, but, you know, it was hot in the room and he wanted it to cool off over on msn. Now, they don't cool anything off. So here they are celebrating that ICE vehicles are getting their tires slashed in.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Addition to the fact, and I won't say that I'm suggesting this behavior, but ICE agents have found that their tires are slashed. They have been found that they have been chased. Yes, they have been chased out of buildings, chased out of restaurants.

That's dangerous behavior.

It is dangerous behavior, but it is a demonstration that the American public, when they're not being listened to, these are the options that they'll take. I hope this administration listens and pulls back these ICE raids.

[Dave Rubin]

Man, what a mafia move that is. That's a really nice restaurant you got over there. Be a damn shame if something happened to it. So they're giggling and laughing as they're talking about ICE guys being chased out and they're tired, being slashed. They're giggling, laughing. But, but maybe this will make the administration listen to us. Right? Right. Because the Democrats actually control the violence. I think you guys understand that. It gets weirder. There's just so much weirdness on the left there really is there? Like nobody's in charge anymore. And it has just burst forth across, across the entire country. Let's jump over to Virginia beach where a high school assistant principal and brother did some weird stuff.

[Co-host/Guest Commentator]

Two brothers have been arrested, charged with threatening to shoot police and ICE agents. And one of them is an assistant principal at Kempsville High School. Yesterday, beach police arrested 54 year old John Bennett. School officials say he's currently on leave from his position there. The other suspect is 59 year old Mark Bennett.

[Dave Rubin]

Don't shoot ice officers don't do that. Right. Don't encourage. And then it just makes you wonder like the guy's a school official, like what are they teaching the kids and everything else. And then some weirdness. I mean, you know, this is related to doxing and, you know, just threatening neighbors and just everyone kind of being on edge, which is a damn shame. As I said, this is Thanksgiving week. We should all be so thankful for this country right now. But apparently in Texas, you copy California, actually, leftists are terrorizing random people by sending them rather disturbing Christmas cards. Cards. On the outside, they look like normal Christmas cards, but on the inside, troubling messages. What is this? Several of these cards and notes were left at the doorsteps of homes in a quiet Yucaipa neighborhood Monday night, leaving residents on edge. I pick it up, open it, and it reads, santa, I want the head of a Nazi under my tree. And then I was like, whoa. One after another, each card and note carrying violent and threatening messages. They're trying to, like, cause chaos or something before the holidays and really scare people. All right, that guy's fabulous, number one. Number two, you may be going, Dave, just as a matter of. These are just random people at some random town. Why does any of this matter? Well, now I'm going to connect it to what I really think is the big story. We normally don't end on the big story, but I think this is the big story, and this is not going to go away. And you should really be aware of this. And you're. And I'm telling you right now, when it gets to politics at the Thanksgiving table, which, one way or another, it always ends up there somehow, as much as you try not to do it. But when your crazy Aunt Karen is babbling on about whatever, I want you to tell her about this story, because we have. We are being manipulated in so many crazy ways. It's not just a Christmas card showing up saying, the Trump's a Nazi. There has been an absolute foreign. Foreign intelligence operation hitting us across the board, and much of it has just been exposed this past weekend. This is from Mike Solano over at Pirate Wires. X just released a major profile update revealing the location of every user on the platform, triggering chaos among foreign rage farmers and slop peddlers LARPing as American, the massive ranks of which have apparently shaped our culture for years. Okay, so we're going to show you a bunch of examples of this in just a second. But I, you know, I tweeted something I think we read on the show last week that we. We just have no way to know how we've been. Been manipulated. You know, when Elon took over X, we got the X Files, right? Or the X Files, they call them the Twitter files. I guess at the time, they really were kind of like the X Files, now that I think about it. And we found out that under the hood, I mean, I went there myself and I sat with engineers and I said, saw the way the entire system worked and the entire thing was based on shadow banning and how to make sure if you tweet at this person, that person won't see it. It was a crazy, crazy system. Okay, we found out about that, but we didn't find out about. What about the YouTube files, what about the Facebook files? Like, what have all these other companies been doing? The other thing that's happened over the years, it's. And if you. For those of you that are on these things for years, like I. You can start seeing the. The rhythms of it. Six years ago, let's say, when bots really got activated, they. They were all kind of obvious because it was like cut and paste things and it was like the same kind of profile picture. And it was, you know, the name would be like, Alex 1, 496-8242, 39642. And it was kind of obvious. But over the last two or three years, the bots have gotten much more sophisticated and you really can't tell when they're real people or not. But what really has happened on X, and this has been, particularly in the last two years, I would say post October 7th, is that these massive accounts appear out of nowhere. They seem like they're American and they tweet about American news all the time, and they're extremely hostile. Like they're. They're very focused usually on breaking us apart. And it's. Something very weird has been happening. It has been obvious. So now it is coming out because X decided to release where the accounts were created and where they're downloading the Twitter, the X app. And suddenly we are finding out that massive accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers are not American at all. So let's just. We can just run through some of these. I don't have to read all of the stuff. But these are. Whether, you know, these accounts or not, these are huge accounts that most people think are American that have been shaping our discourse. Suppress news right there, which comes from North Africa. There you've got Conscious philosopher, which is always telling people about the better way America used to be. That's from Serbia. Clash reports. Sounds like it could be on Newsmax. It's from Turkey. We can keep going here. Israel exposed. This is one of the huge ones that constantly lies about Israel. Well, that's from. I can't believe it. Saudi Arabia. Jeffrey Epstein is an account from Norway. Shocker. You want to keep going here. I mean, we got a whole bunch of these. These. There's a ton of these. So there are these People that pretend they are from Gaza and they've been like live tweeting the war even though we told they had no food and no electricity. So here's Mahmoud in Gaza. All I hear now is F35s and intense bombs south. Turns out he's in Poland. So unless Israel was bombing Poland, that guy was a complete liar. Then there's a couple other accounts that say they are from the US but they're using a VPN. Now, I understand people use VPNs for all sorts of reasons, but as a little bit of subtext of what's going on here, the Fuentes update accounts, red pill media are using these VPNs so it doesn't. And you can tell if people use a VPN if they have an exclamation park and exclamation point in their location. So it's just very, very interesting. And this I thought was particularly interesting. This is from Jefferson Kulak on the X. About half of Nick Fuente's top 20 followers connected via overseas accounts. That's billing and app store access. Access. So think about that. We've been talking over the last couple weeks about this. This kid Nick Fuentes, who Tucker put on, and Tucker could put whoever the hell he wants to put on his show, but this is a kid who's on Team Hitler, who loves Stalin, who every time you tweet his people bombard you. If they don't like you, they bombard you with the most evil, noxious stuff you could possibly imagine. Turns out half of the big accounts that follow him are foreign. So we have been manipulated in crazily, crazily effective ways by bad actors. I put this up yesterday and it caught fire. This is an absolutely massive story of foreign ops shaping our political and cultural discourse. Will mainstream media even cover it? Will the set of influencers who fell for it look in the mirror? Stay tuned. Now I'll do the latter part first. Will the set of influencers who have been buying this like you can get a shit ton of clicks by going to conspiracy theories, by doing things that will burn down America, by making everybody hate everybody. It's all the Republicans reverse of what I do on this show, right? I'm not saying I've never fallen prey to some of the behaviors of X and said things that are crazy and everything else. None of us are perfect, of course, but there's been a certain set of people that, particularly for the last two years, were getting crazy amounts of retweets, crazy amounts of likes were sharing accounts that they thought were from America and they weren't. That's deeply, deeply interesting. And we better start unpacking and understanding that. And then I think the previous point is the important one. Is mainstream media even gonna cover this? Right. We always talk about there's a huge chasm between what mainstream media covers and what online media covers. Mainstream media might be interested in this story, and if they aren't, we should think about that. So we will see in the next day or two. I thought this was quite good. From Insurrection, Barbie on X, it was all astroturfed. The whole MAGA civil war was astroturfed. It consists of some libertarians who shock up. Shock are isolationists and people who are not in America. That's why polling on the Iran strike came back in Trump's favor. I never get tired of being right. So you get what she's saying there. So this is, this is. And I think this is right. I think we read you a poll last week that showed that the thing that Trump was polling highest on was the Iran op. Something like 80% of Republicans were supportive of that. But if you go online, it seems like everybody's an isolationist and everybody hates Israel and everybody hates America doing anything in the world. And now we find out it's a couple influencers. Like, it's like the Tucker Fuentes class being fed in by bots and foreign agents and everything else. So this is an unbelievably massive story. And to whatever extent over the last couple weeks, I've been talking about this right wing civil war. One of the things I've been thinking about a lot, privately I've been thinking about a lot and sort of trying to connect that to what goes on in my life is how much of this is leaking into the real world. Very hard to tell. And when I go out and I play basketball with my guys or I meet people in the stores, like, I think most, I don't know one Trump supporter that has abandoned Trump. I don't know anyone that thinks he's suddenly evil and compromised and everything else. Maybe you want some things to happen faster. Maybe you're not sure about every decision, but if you go online, the hate that has been manufactured there to Trump and maga, now we're finding out again, it was like a very specific, specific set of libertarians that don't like him. That's the Thomas Massie version of it. Right? And that's why Trump doesn't like him. And then it was just astroturfed by foreign actors. And that is profoundly amazing. But I didn't want to end on that and we will definitely be covering that story more. So I did want to end with this, in case you didn't see it. Over the weekend we put up an interview that I largely was able to do without talking about politics, but I had Cheryl Hines on. And for those of you that watch Curb youb Enthusiasm, she played Cheryl David, Larry's wife for they did it. The show took. It wasn't 24 seasons. How many seasons did they have? I'm gonna guess around 14 or so, something like that. But it was a course of 24 years because they took some years off. We'll get the number on the seasons. Oh, she's a great actress. And she also, as you probably know, 12 seasons over the course of 24 years. She is married to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. So, you know, we've played a couple clips of her over the last few weeks as she's gone on this book tour, which is mostly to talk about Curb youb Enthusiasm in her acting career. She suddenly ends up on the View and she ends up on these other shows and they're attacking her over politics. So I asked her what it's been like for her as she's evolved and as she's gone on this journey with Bobby to come from liberal, lefty Democrat Hollywood and then meet all of these scary Republicans. You know, you're a Hollywood person, so now suddenly you're kind of welcomed in these right wing circles and that it was surprising for you to find that these people were kind of nice. And I went through a version of that myself 10 years ago when I was kind of evolving. And are you still kind of surprised by it that these conservatives are usually pretty kind of nice and open minded and tolerant and decent and all that stuff?

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So the reason I wanted to end that and connect that to the previous segment about the bots and everything else is that if you go online, particularly over the last couple weeks, it has seemed that there has been this massive right wing civil war and magas falling apart and all of this stuff. And I've desperately tried not to feed into that. I try to criticize things and people as in like sort of in their own little box and not add fuel to the fire all the time and everything else. And it turns out now we have the evidence that much of it was fake. But what is real, it's what Cheryl said right there. Because it's what I went through. And I have no doubt, I mean, I know this for sure. It's what many of you have gone through as you've evolved politically. As you woke up because of COVID or as you woke up because of identity politics and you were kind of just like a default moderate liberal. You suddenly found a home on the right. And the right has something that is deep and rich, that is a wide tent right now. And that is what Trump has been doing so that people like her and Bobby Kennedy are now on the right. I know right, left doesn't mean anything in some sense anymore. Like we have to get past some of that stuff. But you get it right like that a whole bunch of us that are willing to agree to disagree and just be kind and love each other and be part of a really the America that the founders wanted, we have a home right now. And it's not the home that's being astroturfed and destroyed by sort of opportunists and grifters and foreign actors. And you got to figure out which home you want to be in. Which home I want to be in. Post game show 30 seconds. Rubenreport.locals.com thank you for watching. Goodbye. Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have to be. Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast right now and it's great. You love the host. You seek it out and download it. You listen to it while driving, working out, cooking, even going to the bathroom. Podcasts are a pretty close companion. And this is a podcast ad. Did I get your attention? You can reach great listeners like yourself with podcast advertising from Libsyn Ads. Choose from hundreds of top podcasts offering host endorsements or run a pre produced ad like this one across thousands of shows. To reach your target audience in their favorite podcasts with Libsyn Ads, go to libsyn ads.com that's L I B S Y N ads.com today you're a small business owner, but that means you're a lot of other things too.

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