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It's so evil can never even be entertained. Connor, you're legal. Foreign. Everybody. It is Friday, November 21st in the year 2025. I'm Dave Rubin. This is the Rubin Reports. Time for another Friday roundtable extravaganza. And joining me is Prageru commentator, first time Rubin Report guest Franklin Andres Camargo and repeat Rubin Report panelist, host of Family Matters, CJ Pearson. Gentlemen, welcome to the show. Good to see you.
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C
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
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Cj, you've Been on many times. So I'm going to give Franklin 30 seconds to explain who he is to the crowd. Franklin, go.
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Yes, I'm a political commentator. I work for Prageru. And the reason why I have this accent is because I was born and raised in Venezuela. I'm a socialism survivor. I had to escape my country after being accused of being a terrorist. And the reason why I started to do politics is because as a kid, I had the opportunity to come to the US and see the results of a free and successful society. So I fell in love with this country. And when I needed freedom the most, this country opened its doors for me. It wasn't my right to be here. It was a privilege. It was a blessing. So now I dedicate my time to try to keep this country the greatest on earth.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the type of immigrant we want here in this great country. CJ, for anyone that doesn't know you, I'll give you 30 seconds in your fancy suit over there somewhere in D.C. who the hell is CJ Pearson?
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Yeah, of course. Well, Dave, thank you so much for having me. And good to see you as well, Franklin. So, yeah, 23 years old and fighting the conservative movement since I was 12 years old, making YouTube videos, tweeting, causing trouble, and actually worked for Prager U as well, which was an incredible time, you know, fighting the belly of the beast over and la. But this past cycle was served as the national chair of the RNC Youth Advisory Council. So worked closely with the campaign leadership in the RNC on how to reach young people where they are. And that was a critical, critical thing that we did. I also am the creator of the Cruel Kids party that New York magazine famously derided. And we've been taking that show on the road, and each party gets bigger and bigger. We've done it with Soulja Boy, Rick Ross, Waka Flocka. Up next, maybe Nicki Minaj. It's looking like, who knows?
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Like, oh, fancy, fancy. And for people that don't remember that, we'll throw up the image of the COVID on the magazine. And they base. I mean, the basic implication was that you guys are a white supremacist group. I don't know if it's the coloring on my TV here, but you appear to be black to me. And they literally cropped out the black people from the image. And then you posted the further images, which we'll show as well. So just. Just crazy stuff. But I did want to have you guys on together. Not only cause of the Prageru connection. But also there's just seemingly a lot going on on the right right now as it rel young people. So we'll hit on that and a bunch more. But I want to just kind of get us caught up on some of the stuff of the week. So I want to start with a guy who I would say is an old friend of mine who we've sort of gone our separate ways politically. And we're going to play two videos right now of Sam Harris, one of them on sort of the ways we've parted politically. And then the second one will be in ways that we've kind of, I would say, come together politically. Here is Sam Harris on the Trigonometry podcast talking a bit about the reaction post Charlie Kirk's death. There's no party, left of center, real party for political assassination, and yet right of center, very prominent people from the president and Elon on down treated it like the first shot fired in the Civil War. Totally irresponsible, totally dishonest. I mean, they were, these were, these people were arsonists pretending to be firefighters. I mean, he is just flinging matches into a landscape that has been just soaked in gasoline. And the soaking has been done mostly by Trump and Trumpism and just what's, you know, the grifters. Okay, so look, as I said, Sam was a friend of mine. So I don't want to make this. I at least don't want to make this personal. But I thought there was something interesting there because, you know, right after Charlie was killed and CJ you definitely knew Charlie Franklin. Did you ever get to meet Charlie? You did?
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I actually met him in 2019 in a TP USA event.
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Okay, great. So. So we all knew Charlie, but right after he died, it wasn't that I, from my position, it wasn't that people were suddenly all blaming the left blanket wise for it. It was more, oh, the rhetoric that you guys have used against us. We're Nazis, we're racists, we're white supremacists, we hate trans people, whatever, all that stuff, that at some point it would escalate to a situation. So, C.J. first off, do you think that that's a fair diagnosis? And how deep do you think the rot is when it comes to political violence on the left? Because there's a lot of data showing that, particularly young people, they are okay with it.
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Yeah. You even had an article that recently came out from the Atlantic where it actually acknowledged the fact that the left has a political violence problem. You know, when the left is losing The Atlantic, I think that's pretty indicative of where these bullets are coming from. And they're coming almost exclusively from the left to the right. And so, you know, you talk about the rhetoric that oftentimes the left is used to describe conserv. Conservatives and Republicans, whether it's fascists, Nazis, Hitler, whatever, they continue to use that rhetoric. They continue to double down. You see Gavin Newsom, from his official account on X, calling President Trump a fascist. The very thing that was on a shell casing in the gun that was used to assassinate Charlie Kirk.
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These people.
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I used to think it was a little bit of a hyperbole when people would say, oh, the left wants us dead. They have shown that they actually do really want us dead in many such cases. And so I've gotta say, it's unfortunate to see him to just gloss over this and act like we created this problem for ourselves, as if conservatives just want to get shot, want to have security everywhere we go. No, that's not the case. It's actually shameful that when you go to a college campus where you're supposed to have the free and fair exchange of ideas, that you have to have a security guard now because you don't know if some deranged transgender will try to kill you for saying basic biological facts like that is reality that we currently live in, and it's not progressives. You know, I was on Jubilee, like this past week, and I was asking, you know, Parker, I was like, hey, like, do you have to have, like, security when you go places? Like, why would I have to do that? Why don't they have to do that? Because conservatives are not killing these people. They're not trying.
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Right? Right. The simple truth that everyone knows is that any far left wackadoodle could show up at any college in America, and conservatives aren't going to try to burn the place down or pull fire alarms or threaten them or anything else. And we know it doesn't go the other way. And by the way, our. Our all of our friend, the great Dennis Prager, as he always says, the right thinks that the left is wrong. The left thinks that the right is evil. That's a fundamental difference. But, Franklin, what do you make of this?
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Yeah, actually, let me quote Dennis Prager because he said something that is really interesting. He said, I used to mention that the moral compass of the left is broken. No, it's not that it's broken is that it doesn't even exist anymore. They don't have a moral compass right now. There was a poll that was made by YouGov that revealed that 62% of young people who identify themselves as very liberal are okay with political violence to achieve a political or objective goal. Which is, which is of course a disgrace. The fact that that amount of young people are willing to use force to try to stop ideas, to actually try to stop facts. And here's the difference between the left and the right. On the right, we can disagree, we even disagree among ourselves, but we understand that free speech is a fundamental value. It is an American value. When you disagree with someone, you debate, you engage in an exchange of ideas, but the left, they actually think that if they disagree with you, they should use force to stop you. They think it's justified. And when they call you Hitler, when they call you Nazi, when they call you a fascist, that is such a dangerous act. Why? Because. Let's just ask a very basic question. What is justified to stop someone like Hitler? Anything, of course, because he would kill you, he would go after you, he would destroy you. So you should use force to stop him because that would be self defense. So when you try to call someone Hitler just because he has a different view, you are doing something that is very dangerous. And let's not forget something, Charlie Kirk, which I fully agree, I agree with him on almost everything. But even for the people who disagree with him, the thing that he would do if you disagree with him was to provide a microphone. Let's debate, let's have a conversation. And that is the American way. Around the world, you are not allowed to do that in many countries, in many places, even in the uk, even in so many Western nations. So we need to stop the left because we cannot normalize this type of violence.
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Right. And there's also a fundamental difference between them calling us, say, not Nazis and fascists, where we call them socialists and communists, because that's what they call themselves. Right? Like that's a fundamental, fundamental difference. But okay, so I want to show you one other clip, because here now is Sam, also on trigonometry. And this is someone who has had complete and utter Trump derangement syndrome and cut a lot of people out of his life who ended up supporting Trump, which is kind of unfortunate. But here he is acknowledging, I mean, this is wild, actually acknowledging that Trump has not only done good, but maybe deserves the Nobel Prize for it. I think he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize for have been brought the hostages back. Right. I mean, I think that's. I have no problem saying that. Right? So readily admit that that was a massive achievement. Whatever happens Next. I mean, there's not going to be peace in the Middle east as a result of this ceasefire. So I'm not. I'm very skeptical and pessimistic about the outcome, but just that peace, getting all the living hostages back was massive. There was no Democrat who was going to do it. President Kamala Harris wasn't going to do it. Biden wouldn't have done it. Many of his weaknesses as a president, as a person, translated in that specific area into strengths. Right? His unpredictability, his. His unprincipledness, his. His. The fact that he. He could just throw over the chessboard and walk away for another year. So, C.J. you can see I'm trying to give the guy credit here, but what he does there at the end, you know, he's basically poking the guy who is who. He's also saying did the unthinkable and got the. Everything else. That unpredictability and, and throwing the chessboard up and all that, that's the stuff that causes enemies to be like, oh, we better not fro with this guy.
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Yeah, exactly. Right. It's what keeps him at the negotiation table. It's exactly why he was able to go and bring Kim Jong Un to the table when no other president had been able to do that. People forget about that. You know, he was calling him Rocket man, all these things, and he was threatening to basically nuke North Korea if they didn't, you know, you know, do what we wanted them to do. And that type of, you know, kind of unpredictability that the president often displays is one of his biggest bar bargaining tools, whether it's, you know, economic policy via his tariff policy, or whether it's just. Just general foreign policy issues. And so, no, it's definitely a great thing that he utilizes, and he's utilized it to win. Like, my entire thing is that you can question someone's, you know, strategies, tactics, whatever. You can't question results. And the guy gets results. Like, that's my thing to be mad, but he gets results.
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So, Franklin, to that point, what is. What have you learned? I mean, even. Just in your time in America about what we call Trump Derangement Syndrome? Because it seems to me that although, yes, I get it, they don't like the tweets and they don't like some of the behavior and this and that and whatever we can. We've all been through that forever.
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Yeah.
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But because he directionally is right on almost everything, even his biggest haters, like Sam there, end up crediting the guy and then of course, he's needling him at the end. But it tells you something about the psychology around all this.
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Yeah, actually I'm going to give him credit for that. Many leftists wouldn't even recognize something that is objectively positive about Donald J. Trump. I mean, we actually someone deny the fact that releasing and freeing the hostages is a positive thing. Well, of course those who support Hamas and who reject and hate Western civilization would argue that it's not necessarily positive. But yeah, I see it. I see it every day. Many of the things that the left right now promotes is not even based on values or ideas, but it's just a reaction to whatever Trump does or says. If Trump says something that is objectively good, it doesn't matter because Trump said it. Therefore the left is going to try to reject it or is going to try to oppose it. And actually we see it with the Epstein files. They didn't care about that during four years when they thought they could use it as a political weapon. They tried to show some interest, but they don't really care about that.
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Yeah, I mean, I brought that point up several times this week. Is like you guys had all the opportunity to go anywhere with this. You did nothing. So clearly you think this has some stank that you can attach to Trump on and all that. Let's talk about Bluechew for a minute and then we'll get to something on the sort of Young Republican side that I think, well, I know I'd love to hear your opinions on. Bluechew is basically the upgrade button for your sex life. These chewable tablets are designed to deliver stronger, harder and longer lasting erections without the hoops. No waiting rooms, no pharmacy lines, and no awkward doctor visits. Just a quick online consultation. And once you're approved by a licensed medical professional, Bluetooth sends your tablets straight to your door in discreet packages. Bluechew's tablets are made in the USA and prepared and shipped directly to you. The best part? It's all done online. That means no hassle, no embarrassment, just a smarter, simpler way to handle things. Great sex is just a few clicks away. Sign up@bluechew.com and make life easier by getting harder. Discover your options today@bluechew.com simple as that. And we've got a special offer for our listeners. Try the first month of Bluechew free when you use promo code Reuben and just pay five dollar shipping. That's promo code Reuben. Visit bluechew.com for more details and important safety information. All right, so I want to show you this of Nayland Haley. This is Nikki Haley's son. I've met him a couple times over the years. Seems like a kind of bright young guy. I'm guessing that you guys maybe have crossed paths with him. He was on Tucker Carlson talking about sort of what young conservatives want right now.
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Growing up here is a big part of understanding the country. We need to stop and limit the amount of foreign students that are coming into our universities. Some of them are spies, by the way, for foreign governments. But it's also just. We should put our kids first.
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Yes.
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And we should also not allow dual citizenship, because that's the stupidest idea. You're either American or you're not. And everyone wants to make it so complicated. That's the thing that I don't like about the past generation is they're always about the rules, the process and regulation. No, it's really simple. You're just America First. People should have their loyalty to America first, and if they can't do that, then this ain't the country for you.
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That's totally right. What about serving in a foreign military?
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Oh, gosh, no, forget about it. You can't do that.
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Of course not.
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Right.
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It's ridiculous.
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You're not describing the priorities of the modern Republican Party at all here.
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No, but hopefully one day it will be.
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So, C.J. what do you make of this? I mean, there's obviously a lot of talk right now on what's happening, particularly with young men on the right, Tucker, and the Fuentes thing. And there's obviously just a lot going on in that ecosystem right now. You know, I'm completely with him on the foreign students thing, the dual citizenship thing. I'm not totally sure about that because, you know, if you were a perfectly decent person who grew up in Canada and you want to become an American, do you have to renounce your Canadian citizenship just because you move here? I mean, I don't. There's something that seems a little too. That could be talked through a little bit more. But what do you think?
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I would say definitely for elected officials, there's no reason you should be a dual citizen of any other country. You know, your priorities should.
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All right, I think that would be.
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A fair distinction, would be America, you know, as far as, you know, everyday citizens. You know, I think, like you said, I think that there's a robust discussion we had about that issue. I think right now, you know, young men are definitely, you know, disillusioned. And I think that it's in large part because of the Fact that we have had this, you know, I think we've been in so much foreign turmoil as of late, and I think there is an affordability crisis in America. There are a lot of people who've gone to college, they've done all the things that, you know, they've checked all the boxes, but yet that are struggling to find a job or they're struggling to afford, you know, to live here in the country. And, you know, we've seen, you know, of course, the prioritization of things like HP, you know, H1B visas and all of that stuff, which has, you know, made a lot of people very, very angsty in terms of that. So I get where he's coming from, and I think that it's a discussion that's definitely being had a lot among young conservatives remains to be seen. Whether or not that'll be, you know, adopted by the broader Republican Party, but it's definitely a conversation being had.
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Yeah. Franklin, what do you make of that? It seems that there's now a growing movement on the right for the government to be more involved in their lives, that the government should be fixing all of these things, which obviously is more of a leftist idea. You grew up in Venezuela, as you pointed out. I understand the inclination, but perhaps they should be careful what they wish for.
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Yes, 100%. And it is actually a problem. It is a problem that I think is a result of our institutions. It is a result of. Of education indoctrination. The left has been infiltrating itself in so many places and has been promoting anti American ideas. Of course, there is an affordability issue, and we need to talk to young people about that. Housing, be able to afford a house, as someone who is young is very tough, is very hard. The question is why? And the reason or my answer would be, well, statism, big government, zoning regulations, government spending, actually a huge welfare state. The federal government spends around 60% of the federal budget just on entitlements. So we have a big government that has left behind free markets, ideas, free capitalism. So it's making the lives of young people harder, more difficult. And the solution that some people are promoting, not just on the left, sometimes even on the right, is more government. But this would be other. A horrible mistake to make. But we also need to pay attention to what is happening in our culture and to what is happening in our education system. Because when young kids go to school, they are taught to hate America. They are taught to hate our values. They are taught to hate the greatest nation on earth. I like to Say that the reason why young people right now do not feel passionate about capitalism, the reason why, in fact they hate capitalism, is because they hate America, not the other way around. Free markets, as an idea, is a result of the American foundation. The fact that the government should be limited, should only exist to protect individual rights. And if we left that behind, we're gonna be in trouble. So if we are on the right, we should be the ones promoting individual freedom. And I see some people on the right who want to embrace, actually big government. They want to embrace, some of them, sadly, identity polit. And that would be a huge mistake. But again, I think it's a result of what we are witnessing on our universities and institutions. I think those people on the right who have some of them more in common with the left, in my opinion, like Nick Fuentes, they are useful to the left. That's why you see the New York Times, for instance, showing Nick Fuentes as the future or the replacement of Charlie Kirk, which of course he's not, but the left wants it, it to be right.
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C.J. real quick on that point. I mean, is this really what the horseshoe theory is in some sense? Because to me, although, look, Trump's been president now for 10 months. He's done a freaking incredible job so far. But you can't solve everything at once. And there's a certain kind of impatience with people that then may push them towards wanting more government involvement. But you got to get it to me, you got to give the guy a chance to make things happen, which is what he's doing.
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Yeah, I think the problem here is, like, there's a fundamental misunderstanding of politics with a lot of these people is not to. Is not meant to be a fast moving institution. They don't even show up to work most at all, really. I think they just got back from a very lengthy recess during the government shutdown. And so, yeah, I think the president can only work with a team that he has. And at the end of the day, it's like, if we really want, you know, to shepherd his agenda through faster, we need better leaders in Congress to help, you know, that happen. We don't just need to elect Republicans, we need to elect conservatives. And, you know, unfortunately, there's a lot to be desired in that category. Unfortunately.
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Or most of them could just go home and we could see how we'd do without them. That might be interesting. Speaking of one of them going home, here she goes, Nancy Pelosi. She's retiring. Play the cliff. This is your first interview since you've Announced that you'll be retiring at the end of your term. Why go now?
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Why did I retire? Yeah.
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Well, I've been eager to sort of.
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Go into another phase of life. For a while I thought Hillary Clinton.
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Was going to win in 2016 and.
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The affordable Care act would be intact and our country would be in great hands. She was so qualified. And then that didn't happen.
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So we had to stay to make the fight.
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And now we're making the fight again.
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Franklin, she stayed around after 2016 another nine years. I'm not sure what she accomplished. Although she got pretty damn rich. That lady trades above the market like you would not believe. She will not be very missed.
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Let me paraphrase Lord Acton. Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely anyone. The fact that a politician can have an entire career in Washington, D.C. for 30, 40, 50 years is simply disgusting. And I think that the founding fathers, when they thought about, you know, serving the public and being a public official, they didn't think about people being in Washington this year or being in politics, actually in Congress for so many decades. It is a huge mistake. In politics, I want to see individuals, I want to see productive minds from different sectors who have been successful in the private industry, and then they can add some value to our lives. But how do we have people in Congress who haven't ever earned money from the private sector, but they only know how to survive through the government, through the state, through. Through promising free stuff to people? And that is a huge mistake because actually, that's when corruption starts. When you find politicians, when you find individual individuals representing the same district for decades, it is horrible. And I fully support term limits. I mean, if the president, of course, has term limits, any other public official should have term limits.
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And by the way, look what New York City just elected. I mean, the guy has quite literally no experience running anything, but they gave him some lo fi music and a soft lens. C.J. i mean, the irony here is that, you know, she probably is replaced by someone even more far left than her. So we should, you know, we can kind of make fun of it, but it's like, all right, here we go.
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Oh yeah, it's almost inevitable, right? She's actually was in the middle of a primary challenge from AOC's former chief of staff. You know, so she and the guy is super wealthy. He was on the founding team of a pretty successful startup and was self funding his campaign. So I think she read the writing on the wall that even Nancy Pelosi may not have a place in this modern day Democrat party where you're led by the Mamdanis, the Ilhan Omar, the Corey Bushes of the world. And so I think she was right to probably, you know, get out while she could. I will say I will miss her because I won't be able to track her stock investments anymore, which my entire 401k is based upon. So I don't even know.
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Oh, damn, CJ's got some cash.
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I know, I know. I've got Nancy Pelosi. I guess I do. Dan Crenshaw now.
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Perhaps people were afraid to get involved.
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But what we could say is even as she was on the ground trying to get, put herself out and is rolling on the ground desperately trying to put out the fire, no one came to her aid until she was able to get off the platform, get off the train and to the platform. And when she finally stumbled down, two Samaritans came and put out all the.
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Blaze that was all consuming her.
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All right, so there's a couple things here. Look, this is only, you know, about three months post Tsarina Rutska, the Ukrainian, 23 year old, beautiful Ukrainian woman who was killed on the Charlotte light rail for no reason whatsoever. This seems to have no motive whatsoever. C.J. i hate to do, like, the racial component of this, but this story, if it went the other way, would be everywhere. And that's why I thought it was worth covering, because it's like this is an innocent woman who will now live with these scars, literally and figuratively for the rest of her life.
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No, it's absolutely absurd. I think you raise a very valid point. This is the first I'm hearing of this story and I, I track the news for a living, right? And so it's insane to see. But again, it goes to show why President Trump has taken such a, you know, involved effort and just reigning in crime in this country. Because you look at a lot of these cities, like Chicago, they've become third world countries. It's like, it's kind of funny to me because a lot of people have always, you know, referred to kind of jokingly, Chicago is Chiraq. And we just kind of would just laugh it off as if that is acceptable. Like, why are we comparing a city in America to a Middle Eastern just dystopia? And we were just okay with that. And we don't have to be okay with that. We can do hard things. We can reign in crime. We can handcuff the criminals and not the police. And so it's unconscionable that this is not being covered. But also, too, the media has shown an unwillingness to cover many important stories. Like just this past week, it took Nicki Minaj to shine a light on the fact that thousands of Christians are being slaughtered in Nigeria. They didn't care about that until she started talking about it. And that's insane, right?
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And I think there is some sort of Daniel Penny effect here where people are just afraid to do the right thing because they don't want to be called racist and sued and have their lives ruined too. But I thought I would show you this. Franklin. This is an image of all, well, at least a portion. It might be all, I'm not actually sure of Zorhan Mandami's tweets about defunding the police. So to the backdrop of a story like that, just last night as we're recording this in New York City, I think on the Upper east side, there were hundreds of pro Hamas protesters, a synagogue chanting river to the sea. I mean, it seems to me that it is just going to get worse in cities. I almost see no way around it. In blue cities.
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Yes, it is going to get worse. And actually we need to make the connection between leftism, wokeism and these type of atrocities and incidents, because this is what happens when leftism takes place. Right now the left anti common sense, they think that criminals are victims, they are oppressed, they're victims of this system, this white supremacy system. Therefore if they commit a crime, they don't go to prison, they are free on the streets. They can commit dozens of crimes and they would still be on the streets. And then of course they're going to be committing more crimes. Human beings, we are driven by incentives and evil people. They're going to commit more crimes if they know they're not going to pay the consequences for it. I think that one of the reasons why Trump was so successful in his election is that it was a common sense revolution on many areas. Immigration, border security, foreign policy, of course the economy. But crime. Sometimes we don't talk enough about crime because it's more a local issue. And every city is different, every state is different. But those liberal bluest cities are such in a horrible state because they want it to be that way because they divide the society between oppressors and oppressed people. So, so they don't want to go after criminals. And I think that one of the messages that the right wing movement, the conservative movement needs to have is an anti crime, is a tough on crime policy that would be extremely popular among many Americans. Maybe no blue haired Democrats in New York that just elected Mamdani, who actually wants to defund the police and he wants to send social workers to go after criminals. Well, that of course is a disgrace and they're going to pay the consequences of it. But most of Americans around the country would actually support that tough on crime policy.
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Yeah, I'm completely with you on that. And that gives Trump at least one avenue to make the midterms a little less of a bloodbath that they probably appear that they're going to be. Let's talk about Code Pure for a minute. Then one more segment on the other side. You know that one person who's impossible to shop for. Maybe it's a parent, a sibling or a friend who never wants anything. This year you can actually get them something they'll love. Cove Pure, an incredible countertop water purifier. Cove Pure lets you choose the exact temperature of the water. So whether your mom wants tea in seconds or your sister wants ice cold water, you can give them a gift that instantly makes life easier. It also has size presets that help you and your loved ones stay hydrated. Just tap the 16 ounce button throughout the day. No guessing, no tracking, no hassle. More importantly, you can give them cleaner, safer water. Cove Pure is lab certified to remove up to 99.9% of contaminants, including PFAS, pharmaceuticals, fluoride, lead and arsenic. It's some of the purest, best tasting water that you'll ever drink. If you want a gift your loved ones will actually use, head over to covepure.com reuben because you're a listener of the show, you'll get a $250 holiday discount. Hurry up before the sale ends. Okay, so I want to show you this video. This is Colorado Congressman Jason Crow and he is one of the Democrats who was in a. I suppose it was a viral video where they were encouraging current service members to not abide by their duty, their sworn duty to protect the United States, but actually go against the orders, what they claimed were illegal orders by President Trump and Pete Hegseth. But of course they never explained what those illegal orders were. So this video went viral. Then Crow showed up on Martha MacCallum on Fox.
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So when you see this video on.
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All over the place.
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When you see this video on social.
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Media, media, I think a lot of.
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People scratch their heads and they say.
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What, what exactly are they talking about?
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Are they talking about not allowing gunboats to make it to the United States? Carrying drugs is. I mean, is that what you're talking about?
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Martha, here's a novel idea. How about we actually prevent things from happening before they become a problem?
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I think that's what they're trying to do.
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Reminding them of their obligation from the.
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Commander in chief because I military to carry out.
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Are you objecting to.
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This is very, very vague. And it was so vague in this video.
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Nobody. I don't think people could figure out what you guys were all talking about.
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Honestly, Martha, Donald Trump has made a series of very disturbing comments and suggestions that would violate U.S. law and put our military in terrible position.
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We're getting nowhere because you're not talking about an order.
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I don't want to wait until that.
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Happens to remind our troops of their obligation because.
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And it will be too late.
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We are standing by our troops and.
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Our amazing men and women in uniform.
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To remind them who sign up every.
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Day, as you did, to carry out.
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The orders of the commander in chief.
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We have.
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We are not engaged in new wars.
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Allow me to give a little golf clap to Martha McCallum right there because, C.J. you could see the little trick that he was doing in the video. They make it very clear Donald Trump and by extension Pete Hegseth have, have required you guys to do something illegal. And then when asked what those illegal things are, he's got nothing. Nothing, nothing, nothing. Great job, Martha. Yeah.
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No, Martha absolutely did incredible in that segment. And I'll say, too, it's like, again, you can't get anywhere with these people. They accuse President Trump of being a racist. You ask them how he's a racist. They can't tell you. They say that he's a king. You ask how he's a king, even though he was democratically elected. They can't tell you. And you ask them how is the. Is he illegally performing his duties and obligations as commander in chief? And they cannot tell you because there is no answer to be had. And so, you know, I commend the president for doing all that he can to stop the flow of fentanyl into this country and ending these narco terrorists, you know, ambitions before they even can realize them.
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Right. It's sort of what we were talking about before on these, like, 80, 20 issues where if Trump just does the right thing, people will come along. There's very few people. Well, you're from Venezuela. There's very few people that see a Venezuelan drug boat coming here, and they're like, oh, I wish they had more due process. We just don't want the drugs on our shores.
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Of course. And actually, there are terrorists. It's a terrorist organization. It's a nar state. When, when we talk about what is going on in Venezuela, it's not just another government that we dislike or just another totalitarian regime. No, they're a narco state. They're attacking US Citizens constantly, not just through drugs, also criminal gangs. Let's remember Traga. Let's remember. Let's talk about La Ling R Riley, she was killed by a member of Trent Duragua. Do we want to stop those criminals from coming into the United States? Do we want to stop those drugs? Of course we want to. So a few minutes ago, I was saying that the left is willing basically to embrace any idea if that idea opposes to what Trump is doing or saying. Well, right now, it's the perfect example right there. That's the perfect example. They prefer to satisfy with cartels, with narcos, with people who want to actually harm US Citizens, not to actually say, you know, Trump, you are doing a great job. There is not that many drugs now coming from the Caribbean. Thanks for. Thank you for what you are doing. No, they of course, prefer to say that this is an illegal act. And by the way, he's in some way promoting an insurrection. Let's remember that Trump is the President of the United States States and he's able to do this type of operations. Of course, they can sue as much as they want, and then we have our courts and we have our system in place that can make a decision about what he's doing is legal or not. That, I think is perfectly legal, by the way, what he's doing. Because we're talking about terrorist organizations, and the executive branch has the power to try to neutralize these terrorist organizations. But the fact that they are promoting just so easily an insurrection is insane to me. The fact that they are willing to side with a cartel is insane to me. Around 20% of the cocaine that comes to the United States is from Venezuela. Of course we want to stop that.
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So I want to end with this because you know, one of the we sort of talked about a certain amount of impatience that even people on the right are having with some of the Trump stuff. And again, I just think you've got to 10 months in, he has done so much. Things don't just happen like that. One thing that does seem to be happening a little more effectively lately is the deportations. We played a video of Tom Holman earlier in the week. 650, 30,000 people have been kicked out of the country. On top of the fact that we closed the border, 30,000 children who were being trafficked have now at least returned to some either their original homes or they're in the process of that. And then speaking of 30,000, listen to this. 30,000 students in Charlotte were absent because of an ICE raid. So think about this for a moment. Take a look. Class typically has 16 students in it. We had four district wide. There are 145,030 students enrolled in Charlotte Mecklenburg School Schools. On Monday, 30,399 were absent, 28,136 unexcused. While CMS doesn't break down the numbers by ethnic origin, Gillespie, a multilingual teacher did.
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Children of parents from Angola, from Vietnam.
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But the students who were whose parents come from Latin American countries were the students we were missing. Missing.
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So that was kind of the line.
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Even among the ML students is that.
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We were missing Hispanics. All right, so C.J. there's something interesting going on here. I mean basically the district, a third of their kids did not show up to school when they knew that there were ICE raids coming in Charlotte, which we've been talking about for, you know, a week and a half or so. That doesn't mean that every one of those kids is illegal because there's also social pressures. And if your friends are like I'm ditching school, maybe you will too. But something ain't right over there.
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There Right. No, something certainly is not right. But you know, if Donald Trump were a king, he's such a gracious king because they were so against, you know, separating, you know, children from their families in the first term. We're not separating them anymore. We're sending them all back. So I think that's a great thing to see. God bless them for it and keep doing it.
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Franklin. I mean, the idea that a third of a district's kids just decide not to show up again, whether it's just like the activist class or it's like what everyone's doing, so it's a social contagion, or whether 15,000 of those kids are illegal like this, this is a freaking mess.
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Yes, there is not such a thing as a pre launch. The fact that we have illegal migrants, you know, going to public institutions, receiving public education, receiving public health care is, is a disgrace. It means that Americans are working really hard. They are paying taxes, and people who haven't paid any taxes or who recently came into the United States are receiving those benefits. Benefits. I'm an immigrant. I think immigration is not a right, it is a privilege. This means that the United States, every time it welcomes a new migrant, that immigrants needs to be a positive gain, economically, socially, culturally. You need to assimilate. You shouldn't go to the welfare state. And the fact that some people would find this idea racist just means that they don't have facts, they don't have reasoning to actually make a good argument, but they just want to insult so they, they can silent you. So there needs to. We have to do a strong work in America to try to fight illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is a problem for our country. And it is a problem, by the way, that is also negative for legal immigrants. Because when I came to the United States, I was seeking freedom, I was seeking opportunities. I came to the greatest country in the world. I don't want the US to become like Venezuela. Venezuela. I don't want the people who destroyed Venezuela or any other or some other countries to come to the US And I think that's a very, very valuable case to make in order to protect America. If we believe in the American ideal, we should only welcome those who are going to be a positive gain. So the fact that in some schools, 20, 30% of students could be illegal migrants. Look, I don't blame the kids. I blame their parents. Parents. And I blame Democrats and I blame Joe Biden, of course. But we need to do something to stop it and to change it. Because no country can survive if 2030% of its population are people who haven't assimilated to the culture, who the first thing they did to come here was actually to commit a crime, or who are receiving benefits at the expense of American workers.
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If this all ends with the three of us on a boat back to Venezuela, you'll know things have gone awry. However, I'm feeling a little more bullish on the young conservatives after talking to both of you. Franklin, C.J. great seeing you guys. It's Friday, so no post game show. We'll see you on Monday. Good to see you.
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