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All right, guys, I'm still Dave Rubin. This is still the Rubin Report. It is Friday, April 3rd, which means it's time for another roundtable extravaganza. And we are doing the rare two first time guests on one panel. That's right. Two guests, one panel. What does that make you think of? Joining me today are the seniors counselor at the Article 3 project, Will Chamberlain, as well as the host of the Ben Ferguson Show, Ben Ferguson, Gentlemen, how are we?
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Good to see you.
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Doing great.
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A
I feel like our three outfits sort of, it's like three levels of political theory here, right? You, one very professional, one little less professional, and one just.
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Will's wearing Jamaican shorts right now, so just so everybody knows that brings him down a little bit.
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Are you just in the underwear? Are you, are you doing the Stelter thing? Chamberlain.
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Oh, this is exactly what I'm saying.
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Don't, don't show us. It's a, it's a family work from home and don't.
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C
Are you kidding?
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Yeah, well, somehow, as I said to you guys right before we started, I don't know how I haven't had either one of you on before. You're both great followers on Twitter. Ben. We've smacked around a couple people on Piers Morgan when I used to do that show. I refuse to do it anymore. But we, we've tag teamed a couple of the whack jobs they've had on there. But I'm glad to be chatting with both of you and let's just dive right in. As you know, there is a communist slash Islamist slash various other adjectives who is now mayor of York City. And surprise, surprise, he's not happy about the war in Iran.
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In the face of Americans facing a historic affordability crisis that we have the pursuit of something that has already cost $23 billion thus far, the kind of money that could transform working class Americans lives, whether through investments in Medicare or teachers or even elimination of student debt for tens of thousands of, of Americans. And all of that being thrown aside for the pursuit of yet another regime change war. And it's a war that should be opposed on every single ground. Not just procedural, but also moral, but also political. And also a war that should be opposed on the grounds of the fact that it is being financed by the very money that could make it easier to keep calling this city, this country, home. And yet there is a blindness to that fact. All while we're being told that this is not what we're seeing with our own eyes.
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Will, it should not surprise me that he's not a fan of this war, as I would assume, isn't he? Wasn't he like 6th in line to be ayatollah if I'm not mistaken? So he's still like two off. We'll see where that shakes out. But he's opposed morally, politically, and of course we would naturally be spending all of this money fixing student debt if the war didn't happen, right?
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Right.
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No, not just handing it out in fraud to various members of his constituency. I mean, what the ent cost of war would be what, 1/7 of the proposed budget he put forward and he can't find. I mean, New York is running on what, 140 billion a year. That's more than the entire state of Florida, which has three times as many people as the city of New York. And yet he's talking about like refunding student debt and stuff like that. Like, no, actually I don't really feel like that's a great expenditure of money. Moreover, honestly, the long term cost savings here are actually going to be real because so much of our money that we spend in the Middle east is because we have to deal with the threat of Iran. We have to constantly be in a defensive posture against them. They're the primary antagonists of the one major country that has been outside of our alliance. So a world in which the regional order in the Middle east has a peaceful and pacified Iran is a world where we're going to get to spend a lot less money over there.
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Ben, it seems to me that if regardless of any of our feelings about the war in Iran or anything else, if someone doesn't like America, he's pretty much going to be on their side. That is that a fair heuristic here?
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Yeah, yeah, I would say pretty, pretty accurate there, yes. And I also like just love the hypocrisy. How much money. And this is interactive show, so everyone watching, just do yourself a favor, ask Google how much money New York City or Chat, GBT or Gronk or whatever was spent in New York City on illegal immigrants. And so if this dude's like obsessed with like we could have paid off student debt, he actually could have done that if he would have stopped giving five star hotel rooms and four four star hotel rooms to illegal immigrants. Not for days, not for weeks, but for months on end. Look at all the health care costs that they have in New York City. You want to send kids to school for free, great. Stop having millions and millions of dollars go to give treatment to illegal immigrants that you've allowed to come into your city. This is the same guy, by the way, that said that all transportation should be free. Just checking. Did the price go up January 1st or did it not go up for you to get on a bus or a subway in New York City? I'm pretty sure it went up. So this is another example of the. Of a liberal that actually gets elected. That's crazy. And they have all these crazy ideas. They don't actually get to implement many of them the way they claim they're going to. And somehow they're still yelling, saying, people are disenfranchised. We need to give reparations for X, Y and Z. You're in charge, dude. Make it happen or shut up.
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Right? And it's like, man, hold out a little hope. And if the guys that we're negotiating with aren't working out, that's level three, I think we're at. And you're only three levels off from being the next dietola. So just a little.
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It would be his biggest job he's ever gotten, and he'd probably be proud of it. His wife certainly would. I mean, don't forget, this is his wife. This is also. Here's. I love interactive shows. Google it. True or false? Did Mandani's wife celebrate the October 7th attack and the killing and the raping and the taking of Jewish people that were at a concert and killed inside of their own country? The answer is yes. If you don't believe me, go look it up, because that's who's actually running the city. And I also think this comes down to the bigger issue here, and it's happening in this country. And you look at Europe, and I worry about this. I actually think the number one threat to this country now is is the issue of does America have the right to protect and defend itself? And that can include citizens that hate the United States of America. We're seeing this in Minnesota. We've had four terrorist attacks in this country in the last 30 days. People don't want to talk about that. And at some point, you have to look at what's happening in Europe and the attacks there, and you say, well, what is our obligation? What is the mayor of New York's obligation to protect and defend its citizens? I don't think this guy looks at it that way at all. And that's scary.
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It's a great point, because, you know, everyone's focused on illegal immigration and deportations, but we have a homegrown thing that they have. They now know all too well in Europe and I don't think we're even close to ready to have that conversation at a national level. But let me, let me throw to this video because Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan, of course, he's come out rather strongly in defense of Trump and what we're doing in Iran, not necessarily from a security point, but from an economic point. I think it's kind of interesting here he gets into it with the, the CEO of Axios. Take a look.
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China's been a big beneficiary of, of our, of our war in Iran. It is a war of choice. Are we giving, are we handing sort of this golden opportunity to China and to Russia?
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Yeah, I, I would step back on
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that one a little bit.
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You say it's a war of choice. You know, I've heard a lot of people say there was no imminent threat. And a threat means that it hasn't happened yet. The bad thing hasn't happened. They've been killing people around the world for 45 plus years. They've killed a lot of Americans. They funded, not just Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, they have terrorist cells here. They were about to get their ballistic missiles, which I think you just found out can go almost 3,000 miles an hour. They never gave up nuclear. They were bad. So I don't look at this like, you know, does it create all this uncertainty? Absolutely. Does it create, you know, more short term risk for the oil prices? Absolutely. I'm praying it end.
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Well, maybe you can help me with the question there. The question framed it as that China has been the beneficiary of this war. Have they not? Can you, can you explain to me how China is now better off knowing that Iran, which 80% of Iran's oil goes to China? How they're banged up, how's that helping China?
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It's not. There's this weird faux sophistication you get from these economist types where that's like, you know, I mean, again, I posted something on X about this. You know, like if you read these foreign policy types, if they were around in World War II and something similar had happened and they've been like, yeah, okay, it's January 1942, and magically, Hitler, Goering, Bormann, they're all dead. The entire German navy's at the bottom of the North Sea, The Luftwaffe is blown up. There's total air supremacy over Germany, but the Third Reich is winning because they've closed the Danish Straits. What's wrong with you people? Actually, no, it's not good to have your entire military Industrial base destroyed. And from China's perspective, they're the ones who were helping arm Iran with all these ballistic missiles. Those ballistic missiles are gone. All that production of capacity is gone. They wanted to pin down the United States and sort of help entangle them. But if we win, that's good for us. Moreover, Chinese air defenses don't work. Turns out that's a big problem for them. Also, everybody knows that Chinese air defenses don't work. Everybody knows that China's alliance isn't worth anything if you're under attack in the United States. So their, their oil supplies are threatened, their air defenses don't work, which means that they're very unlikely to make a move on Taiwan now, even if our we are running low on interceptors, who, nobody's going to start a war when they can't defend their own Capital from American F35s. And other countries know that the Chinese alliance isn't really worth very much, that it's not very protective. So our geopolitical position is stronger. I fail to see, you know, the basic problem here that all these sophisticates think, oh, you know, they've got the Straits of Hormuz, which means they've got America. No, we're the biggest oil producing nation in the world. Actually, this is, this isn't an US Problem, it's a you problem. You know, we'll just make more oil and sell more oil.
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We also have Venezuelan oil now.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're the second biggest producer in the world. We'll be fine. Like, it's the Europeans who are like, oh, how dare you do any of this. We're not even going to let you use our bases. And the Chinese, who are suddenly going to be like, where's our oil coming from?
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Ben. The reason I wanted to show that clip and I've played a couple clips of Jamie Dimon this week, is that if you go back, you know, eight, nine years ago, the entire financial world was freaking out about Donald Trump, and
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now you have debanking him. Let's be clear. Literally, it was not just freaking out, actually saying, give us every account connected to anyone with the last name Trump and we will shut it down in the name of January 6th. They all debanked him. Like, they. And Jamie was one of them. He tried to say he didn't do it. Now he's had a kind of a mea culpa on that. He's like, okay, maybe we did it, but I want people to read, remember, this is the same guy that debanked Donald Trump on a massive scale.
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So what does that tell you then, about Trump's strategy? And I guess fortitude, because now, eight, nine years later, they're all coming around to his policies, his foreign policy, not just domestic, you know, financial policy.
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Yeah, yeah. Two things here. And I want to do a China in a second. But first, this is when CEOs have to deal with reality at some point. And all of these CEOs that were giving money to Barack Obama and Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and. And helped orchestrate this massive Communist, socialist, Marxist takeover, the Democratic Party, they're now in the places that they helped turn into that. And so what you're seeing is a lot of these CEOs. Look at California. Look at how many liberal CEOs are leaving California. We're not talking about just generic people. We're talking about, like, liberal activist CEOs and companies who are like, we can't afford to be here anymore. The same thing is now happening in New York City. Right. Jamie's talked about that. You probably played one of those clips. But he's like, there's a lot of people leav. Where are they going? They're going to Florida. Look at Citadel, for example, one of the biggest hedge funds world. Where do they leave? They left New York City and they went to Florida. And why are they doing it? Because these individuals, and Jamie's one of them, who propped all this up because they just hated Donald Trump, hated conservatives and traditional values, they're now realizing you can't make money. Like, you cannot make money in a market where you have insanity of the left and the rules and the regulations are constantly changing and the Green New Deal and all of this stuff. And then, by the way, on top of that, they tax the hell out of you afterwards. So I think that's the reason why you're seeing him come back a little bit to sanity, because it's impossible for him to operate A company in New York City under these types of issues. The second thing with China is the biggest blessing out of what we just did in Iran is, number one, China was the biggest sponsor of terrorism. If you're just talking dollars, they sent more money to Iran for their oil. Okay. Than any other country did in the world. They're now having to deal with that aspect of when you make a deal with a devil, it puts you in harm's way at some point. The second thing, we'll mention this, the fact that their defenses are so weak and we now have figured that out, is a massive play for a military. And the third thing is China is worthless as an ally. They don't give a crap about you. They'll abuse you and use you. Venezuela is a great example of this. Cuba is a great example of this. And now Iran. They don't want to get into a war with the United States of America. I also think that helps save and protect Taiwan. There was always this big worry over the last several years that they were going to attack Taiwan. I think that's now taken off the table because we've shown what we can do, and now we know how weak they are.
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Yeah, I think that's right. Let me, let me. Will, before you jump in, let me throw to this clip of Scott Jennings talking about the NATO alliance, because the other part of all of this is that we are seeing a complete redrawing of the figurative map when it comes to alliances. Take a look.
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I don't know why NATO should care about this. It was just a couple of weeks ago that we learned that Iran has ballistic missile capabilities that can reach most of Europe. On top of that, does no one else here find it agitating that we spend billions and trillions of dollars over decades? We have U.S. troops stationed in all these bases with all these allies, and then when we decide that we need to do something that is in our national security interest, you have supposed friends of the United States saying, you can't use these bases. We're not going to permit this. We're not going to help you on this.
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It is using your. It is agitated. But bottom line, doesn't NATO have. Why does, why doesn't.
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Why doesn't Europe look at this ballistic missile threat a little more serious?
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Well, I always say that she has just got to be the dimmest person on television. There's just nothing there. But I, to me, what Scott is doing there is such a winning argument, I think, for Trump, which is we fund everything. Everything, period. You guys do Jack diddly on all of this. So if you're not going to play ball with us, we're just done. That just seems like a very easy argument and a winning argument for Trump to make.
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Yeah. How much money we spent in Ukraine, which is primarily European interest. We've, we've overwhelmingly spent the mass majority in terms of helping to fund Ukraine and help the defense. They're not even a NATO country. We're not obligated to do that. We just do that because. But the NATO countries are the primary driver to making sure we do do that. And then, I mean, the thing here is that the contribution of NATO countries to this war effort was not money or arms or anything. It was literally, we have these bases. Please let us continue to use them to operate. We would like to fly our airplanes over your airspace. And Spain, you know, not even all
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of them allowed that.
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Okay. You're an adversarial nation. Should we be treating you on par with, like, a Chinese adversary? Like, we can do that. Okay, yeah, let's go. I mean, do we need to go back to the tariff negotiating table and renegotiate the EU tariffs up to 100%? Do we need to make clear that there won't be any more F35 cooperation? For example, like, we're taking the F35 back, all new military technology. We're giving it to our actual friends, Israel, Japan, like, countries that'll fight with us and Ukraine, maybe we'll turn Ukraine around on them. Suddenly say, like, oh, the drone technology Ukraine has, you don't get that either. They're our allies because we spend more money, so we're taking them. You name it. I mean, the way we could be hostile to the Europeans in terms of saying to them on trade, on military technology, intelligence, cooperation, we're not doing that, you guys, anymore. And really, in the future, it's just going to get worse because these countries can't get their own immigration policies under control. We really do have to worry about them as future adversaries given the way that their domestic politics is trending.
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Right.
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If you just look at, if you just look at the numbers, what will France demographically and the UK look like in 20 years, and how will that be an ally? But, Ben, what you think of, I keep saying on my show, it's like, it's like a lack of imagination. All of these people who are so upset every time something Trump says something bad about NATO, it's like, okay, I accept NATO has existed for 70 years. I accept that. Yeah, it doesn't really work anymore. How about we reimagine a way to have alliances?
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Yeah. There's two really fun things about Donald Trump in the second administration. The first one is fafo. That's his foreign policy with adversaries, right? Like, and he keeps backing it up. Venezuela, you don't believe me. Iran, you don't believe me. Like, keep going. And then there's this second new foreign policy, which I actually love even more than that. It's the Donald Trump. And we've noticed over the last several days, like, good luck, like, we're not doing this anymore. The UN's worthless. NATO's worthless. We pay for everything. And then when we need, like, your airspace, like, the airspace for people that don't understand foreign policy, it's like the lowest level of, of non involvement that an ally of you can give you. Like, hey, we'll let you fly over our country, okay? Like, we'll let you do that. But, like, we're not getting involved. Like, that is not even, like, a commitment. That's just like, the bare minimum of being an ally. And when you have allies that are doing this to us, the way the President has, has made it very clear, number one, call them out. Number two, good luck. Like the Straight of Hormuz is a great example. He's doing that right now. You guys don't want to get involved. Good luck. Because we have a plan for us. We drill more. Venezuela will make other deals. We'll get our prices down. You guys are screwed in every time. What do they expect? They expect America to come in. They expect us to risk our lives. They expect us to have some soldiers come home in caskets doing their work that they should have done. And I think what the President's made clear here is for the next two and a half years, good luck, you're on your own. We don't need you. Because when we do need you, you don't do jack crap for us. And I love that.
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It just seems like such a winner. I don't think the average person is like, oh, no. Oh, no, Nat, Nat.
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Like, we. If there's anything we've proven over the last week, like, you, America is good on our own. Like, I'm not really sure we need any help with anybody else. It's nice to have alliances and allegiances. It's nice to have, you know, multiple countries behind you and do things in a unified manner. But right now, the world's so splintered, and I'm talking about, like, Europe and what you were describing and Muslims taking it over. And extremists and what we're witnessing, I, I don't need them anymore. Like, the, the way we fight wars has changed. Technology has changed it. Everything has changed. With drones, it's not about like, how many million soldiers do you have? And all right, well, we'll get 3 million to go to 4 million and then 5 million over here like we had in World War II. I mean, if you study wars, you used to actually just need to count head. Like, how many cattle do you have, right, to see if you can beat the other side. Those days are over and President Trump, I think, understands it. So to NATO, I'm fine to say adios, amigo.
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Yeah. I think intent is even beside the point here. It's the question of what does the constitutional provision mean? You know, there's this phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof. And the question is, is that like an actual general rule that has categories and you can come up with new categories that apply to it, or is it what the ACLU lawyers described as a closed set of exceptions, meaning people like children of ambassadors, children of foreign invaders, and the children of then existent Indian tribes or then sovereign Indian tribes and the Indian tribes example, I think, is actually really devastating to the way that Democrats look at this, because the children of Indians didn't get birthright citizenship in 1860, despite the fact that they were. If they were, you know, in US Territory, they were obligated to follow American law, and they were then subject to this jurisdiction in the sense that they think. But, you know, I've actually had the opportunity to, like, talk with a number of the law professors and legal scholars who've looked deeply at this, and it's really clear that what. What was meant by subjects of the jurisdiction was people who are domiciled in the United States legally, who are lawfully present, who are. Have an obligation of allegiance to the United States, and so that, you know, that original meaning holds, they are not. They talked about temporary sojourners, which were obviously much rarer in the 1860s because travel was so much more difficult. But they talked about temporary sojourners and the children of temporary sojourners as obviously the kind of people who wouldn't be entitled to citizenship. And similarly, I mean, our statutes look at illegal aliens as people who are here temporarily, who are applicants for admission, who don't have a domicile in the United States, it's not hard to understand how you can get to a world where these people shouldn't be able to game our system and get citizenship from their children.
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Ben, Ben, is the problem here, with all due respect to Will, that as sane people, we're now dealing with a party that is completely insane. So every legal argument and point that will just made there all legit. However, half the country basically does not exist in that world.
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Yeah, no, I agree with that. And I also think this is going to have to be an argument that has to be fought differently from a public PR perspective if I am wanting to roll out why there needs to be a change. I believe this is a national security issue. And if there are people that are using a loophole to Gain the system to then become a part of America when they have no desire to actually be Americans or put this country first. And then you can see this happening. I think this is a national security issue. The number of Chinese spies that we have in this country, it would shock many people watching right now if you knew the numbers. We had a number that came out during the last administration, and it was even worse under the numbers we got from the Obama administration. I use their numbers because those are the numbers used to terrify people. But we know that there are people in our adversaries that are exploiting this. And so then what do you get when you're an American citizen? You can run for office. You can run this country. You can destroy this country from within. We know for a fact the Chinese Communist Party, the ccp, has openly talked about trying to take over our educational system. Why? To destroy this country from within. Who is the number one donor to our private universities? The best and the brightest that are being trained in this country? The money is a fact. It's undisputable. It comes from China. We know that. The money, the most money that's coming, for example, from the no Kings rally. Where was that money coming from? From billionaires living in China who are trying to destroy America from within. So I believe this is a national security issue, and we have to do something here to stop this from being abused. Because flying in to then have a baby, to have an anchor here, and it's not just for a better life. Many of them are wanting to get into this country to destroy this nation. And their. Their governments have said that they're not fleeing. They're a part of it. They're not running away from a country. And that used to be the other argument you hear all the time for the left. Well, they're seeking asylum. They're just trying to get to America. They're trying to get away from dictators and communists and whatever. No, no, no, no, no. Many of these people are still pledging allegiance to that country, to those values. And they're coming here to destroy America, make it weak.
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And let's not forget, you handed me a perfect segue there. Some of these Chinese spies end up banging people who are currently running for governor of California. Yes, Eric Swalwell was questioned about Fang Fang. Take a look.
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So, Congressman, you referred to Elon Musk
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as a fascist at some point and
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alluded to him being a national security threat. Do you see that? More of a national security threat threat, you sleeping with a Chinese spy than transparency in the federal government.
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What are your thoughts on that? What are your thoughts on that?
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What's Fang Fang think of that? What's fascistic about exposing government corruption? Elon Musk is a national security threat, but you sleeping with a Chinese spy is not. Is that correct? You don't want to comment on that at all? Looks like guilty is charged.
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Well, I'm not a PR expert, but if someone came up to me and said, dave, you slept with a Chinese spy, I would say, no, I didn't. Now, interestingly, he never says that. In all the interviews, he used to say, refer to the FBI. They cleared me. Now he doesn't like the FBI anymore. So he says, don't listen to the FBI. He banged a Chinese spy. We'll give you more evidence of it in just a second. But would you like to comment on the banging of the Chinese spy?
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I mean, maybe you shouldn't do that. That seems like bad idea.
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Can we get that on a T shirt? Will Chamberlain's Foreign Policy on Spies. Maybe you shouldn't do that. No pun intended. Sorry, Will.
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Especially if you want to be the governor of a major state. And I think even you have something from VDH where he basically was like, yeah, this woman came up to me, too, after I wrote some nasty article about China. And I was like, I know what this is. I mean, maybe Aaron Swalwell just has a little bit of a higher opinion of himself and his own attractiveness in order to get there. Who knows?
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Let me show you this clip because this thing has been known, and many of us have been talking about it for years and years online. And as you guys know, there's just like an airlock with mainstream media where they let us all talk about stuff for years. Then one day it gets in the New York Times and they pretend they discovered it. This is video of 2021 at my house when then Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy came in and told me that Eric Swalwell banged a Chinese spy. Didn't Swalwell sleep with a Chinese spy or something? I mean, yes.
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Why? Okay, that's a good question. I want to finish my eight pillars. But let's talk about this, what we know publicly. A Chinese spy. And also remember Senator Feinstein, we found out later the driver of more than 10 years was a Chinese spy in Silicon Valley. They've been in pictures together. He's been it. This woman, a Chinese spy, creates a relationship with Swalwell. When he's in the city council, he runs for Congress. She helps. She puts interns in his office. Do you know how difficult it is to get on the Intel Committee. When Swalwell was put on the Intel Committee, they were in the minority, so they had fewer seats. He was a sophomore getting put on the Intel Committee. He's kept on the Intel Committee.
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This woman, they were warning them that there was a spy, basically, Right?
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Yeah.
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I wonder how they knew she was a spy. Right. She wasn't just spy. And then you had a mayor and other parts. Think about how big your spy mechanism must be if you have enough money to have a spy that cares about you when you're in the city council.
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A
Ben, Ben, he was then majority leader. Nothing happened about it. Then the guy ended up running for president. I mean, he polled at zero and was out after the first debate, but now he's running for governor. It's like, how dumb do you have to be if you've banged a Chinese spy? It's known to do all this stuff.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Look, this is his biggest political accomplishment. So like, let's, let's not be too mean to the guy. Okay? He did get a Chinese spy to sleep with him.
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A
That's far on MSNBC with Chris Matthews. We're not going to show you the clip today. I play it too often.
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B
That's true, that's true. He got it. Hey, he got his tingle up his leg from a, from a foreign spy. So, you know, there's that there. Look, I, I, I go back to, is there any state in America where you could run for office and legitimately still have a chance to win after banging a Chinese spy? It's California. So he's got of political prowess, I'll give him that. I do think though, the media, the fact that he's still a legitimate candidate, that they have put this much cover to protect and defend him and that the Democratic Party didn't do more to get rid of him and say, hey, this is probably a bad candidate. Let's start leaking some stuff out. Because look, Democrats, they take care of their own. But if they want to get rid of you, they know how to get rid of you. And clearly they think that he is so important or what he did with her is so damning that they have to protect him no matter what. The American people get to decide on that one. But the fact that he's still a legitimate Democratic Party leader and player and is running in California, God help us, because if this is the dude, that's, this is his biggest accomplishment, sleeping with a spy. Can you imagine what other Democrats have
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A
that they're trying to, well, he's just a meathead. The idea that he's so skilled that they just have to run with him whether he's a spy or not is kind of nuts. You know, Fang Fang did try to also sleep with Victor Davis Hansen. I did not know this, but this is from his podcast back in August 2025.
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I
Eric Swalwell. Well, as I said, I wrote some critical things of China, and Fang Fang came to see me as a consular official out of the Bay Area. And I think she was a. She told me she was a political operative that monitored American politics. But when she walked in my office at the Hoover Institution, I kept the door open. I had one of the. My research people with me the whole time. And the way she changed accents and how she was dressed. You would have to be a stupid narcissistic idiot to fall for that. Anybody who would fall for her honeypot, it was just a joke. Anybody could see that.
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H
And so that explains his stupid.
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I
Anything he says. He's a Beto o' Rourke of the House, Will.
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A
You'd have to be a stupid, narcissistic idiot. Well, swallow if the shoe fits.
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C
I mean, yeah. I mean, many politicians are stupid, narcissistic idiots, let's be clear. So it's not like he's unique in that class, especially Democrat politicians. But yeah, I mean, you have to. You're a politician and this, you know, like, cute Chinese girl comes up to you and talks to you, and all of a sudden you're getting jobs on the House Intel Committee, as he pointed out. Like, that's not an easy thing to do.
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B
And you don't vet it.
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C
Right?
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B
You don't vet it. Like, how do you not ask a question like, is that even like a weekend two weeks in after the honeymoon's over, a few months? And well, like, any sane dude would be like, maybe this is too good to be true.
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C
Right?
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B
But not him.
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A
But do you guys think. Do you guys think we're going to get a win here? Like, do you like to me, the fact that this thing has now broke the airlock and it's only, what, five days or so since JD in an interview with Benny Johnson, said that Ilhan Omar broke federal immigration law, so now that's broke the airlock, you think we're going to get a coup couple wins where they actually take some people down? Or is it just that the story never stops? What do you. What do you think, Will?
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C
I hope so. I mean, I think that the Ilhan Omar thing actually has real legs because you really can Go ahead and go for denaturalization for her. Like, charge with immigration fraud. Swalwell's not. I mean, you have to find an actual crime that he committed as a result, like merely having a spy try and solicit you. And, like, unless it's, you know, there. There actually are restrictions in terms of you have to really do. Do something intentionally that is like betraying your country. And it's not obvious that he did that real. But that's really more of a case of it's just embarrassing. And I think Fang Fang was already criminally charged or expelled from the country, I think, a while ago.
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B
Yeah, I think she's been. Yes, I think she's been kicked out. Yeah, I mean, you gotta. You gotta. Omar, that's the one I care about the most. Like, if you defraud and then you become a member of Congress and you're working against the country that you're representing and you did all these things, like, that's the example that needs to be made. And if you're trying to crack down illegal immigration and immigration fraud, what better headline for the president, United States of America to say america first and watch what we're about to do here. Hold my Diet Coke. Right. Like, I also think that Swallow. I don't know if you get to go to jail for just being an idiot or incompetent, because if you did, most of the Democratic Party would be in prison right now. Okay? So, like, that's just not going to happen. I highly. Unless he deliberately knew.
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A
Right.
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B
That she was a spy. And I don't think he's actually smart enough. Like, I actually think him being this dumb actually is his greatest defense. Like. Like, I just thought there was a naked woman in front of me. I didn't know that she was a spy. Like, that's the best defense the guy's gonna have here. And he can literally say, I'm just a meathead. I was just getting some. Like, unless he knew that he was giving her secrets, that she was recording his conversations, that she was sending intel. The Chinese Communist Party. And honestly, I kind of like Boxer. Right? Like, how do you let a guy drive you for 10 years and not ask any questions and just record everything or take notes on everything you're saying in that car? Because, look, if you've ever been in a. In a car with a senator or. Or a congressman, there's a lot of intel you can get on just half that conversation. You know what's happening, you know what votes are going to happen. You can figure out and connect dots and, and nothing happened to her, by the way, either. So I, I, I worry about how many other Chinese spies there are in this country that are working in our political offices. My guess is, Dave, there's probably a hell of a lot more than we realize.
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A
I think we're all in agreement that if we're only going to get one out of two here, Ilhan going would be much, much, much better for the country. You know, to your point about the drivers and all that, every time I'm in DC, I'm always thinking, man, these Uber drivers must all be spies, because the amount of just politicians and influencers and whatever that just, and diplomats that hop into these cars and just start talking like, you'd have to be stupid if you were a foreign country not to be sending Uber drivers not to do it. Yeah, you don't have to be stupid. People know I like ending. I don't like ending with politics. I like trying to end with something positive and sometimes otherworldly if possible. So as everyone knows, the Artemis 2 is en route to the moon. It will not land on the moon. We have not landed on the moon since 1963, which is completely insane. But at least we're heading back. So let's throw to some video here. There's no, there's no audio on this, but this is incredible. So this video that you're seeing here, someone just caught this on a, I guess that's a spirit airline just caught the Southwest.
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B
Southwest, sorry. Come on. Yeah, don't, don't disparage. Southwest would be in spirit, Their spirit. It'd be shaking. The plane would be shaking too much. Are you kidding me?
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A
Ben? People know. I actually, I'm one of the few people in public life that likes being corrected on my show, so I appreciate that. So they are not gonna land on the moon. They're gonna orbit around the moon and then shoot back. But it is a nice, it is a nice moment that we can start doing things in America again. And let me throw to this kid on CNN who's just, he's just excited about it. I just thought, this is great. This is just great.
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C
Why do you want to be here?
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G
Why do you love space? Why do you love being a part of history?
- [36:32]
B
We're going back to the frickin moon.
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H
That's why.
- [36:37]
A
Watch this, Ben. I'm going to correct, I'm going to correct myself twice. We were last on the Moon in 1972. I think I misspoke there.
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B
But will the point, the point of
- [36:45]
A
this Is it would be pretty cool if we could start doing some things again. You know, Elon's always talking about interplanetary travel, and we're on the AI and robot horizon and 3D printing. We're going to start setting up bases and then on those bases, the robots will be able to build space stations and that will get us to other planets. And like, within our lifetime, these things can happen if we're just willing to dream again and not just get bogged down in all of the mire and muck of the usual nonsense.
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C
Yeah, no, I think it's a really good thing for our country to do. It inspires people. It, you know, it gives. Creates big hairy goals that lead people to do really hard things and work really hard to try and be part of them. I'm almost reminded of the, you know, the very beginning of this thing you had Amandani talking about, God, we could have used this money to pay off student debt. And I'm just reminded, like, that's what leftists also used to do with the Apollo program. Right. They were always like, why aren't we sending people to the moon when we could like, spend a little bit more on home care or something? Because, like, actually our country should be great and do great things and, you know, the be all end all of the world is not to collect welfare payments, but to actually, like, do things that nobody else can do. And so I'm glad to see it. I think it's a good thing. You know, I want, I to want, want, you know, it shouldn't be just NASA or whatever. Obviously we want like SpaceX and all these other private companies to be doing. You know, Jeff Bezos, like, everybody should be trying and adding to the project. But I want, you know, it's good for Americans to be dreaming big again, including in the government.
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A
Yeah. And it seems like it's happening. Like there will be some public private partnership with some of this stuff. And Elon obviously gets some subsidies from the government, but is doing incredible things with those subsidies. Ben, we're going to dream again pretty good.
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B
I, I love this. I also want some accountability because I don't know if you guys talk politics at family gatherings, but the, the most lively debate of the last two years has been the argument that was brought to me. Did we or did we not land on the moon back in the day? So I want us to land the moon and I want, I want live video of finding the damn rover and I want to see that American flag and I want to see pictures of the boots if they're still there from the last time in the, in the in the sand ass stuff on the moon, dust us and then everybody can just shut the hell up and we can say, see, there it is. That's, that's what I want out of this. Selfishly.
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A
I mean, I'm pretty sure Michael Bay, one of those Transformer movies, they went to the dark side of the moon.
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I
So.
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B
See, there you go.
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A
Not enough for you. Gentlemen, you are welcome back on the show anytime. It's a Friday, so no post game show. Thanks for watching everybody. Have a great weekend. See you on Monday.
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J
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