Martha Stewart Is Forever Young | PLUS Demna’s New Gucci

Summary

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The Run-Through with Vogue

Episode: Martha Stewart Is Forever Young | PLUS Demna’s New Gucci
Date: September 25, 2025
Hosts: Chloe Malle & Chioma Nnadi
Special Guest: Martha Stewart
Additional Guests: Liam Hess, Arden Fanning Andrews

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Run-Through with Vogue bursts with excitement from the New York and London fashion weeks, drops insights on Demna’s first Gucci lookbook and film, and culminates in a live, candid conversation with the ever-energetic Martha Stewart. Martha reflects on her philosophies of aging, entrepreneurship, viral moments, and life lessons, blending disarming humor, practical advice, and trademark wit. The episode also highlights wedding trends, party tips, and gives listeners an inside look at the latest must-listen music and style buzz.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fashion News of the Week & Demna’s Gucci Debut

Timestamps: 00:28–04:48

• Demna’s New Gucci Lookbook & Film
  • Demna launched his debut Gucci lookbook—a surprise "amuse bouche" of his vision, with callbacks to past creative directors like Tom Ford and Frida Giannini.
  • Spike Jonze and Helena Raine co-directed a short film to launch the collection.
  • Chloe and Liam laugh about the Italian flair for co-opting English words in fashion ("La It Girl, Influencer, Nerd") and discuss the brand’s creative synergy.
  • Quote (Liam Hess, 01:56):
    “It does feel like he’s wiping the slate a little bit while also tipping his hat to all of the Gucci designers who have gone before.”
• Innovative Runway Formats
  • Diesel hosted a scavenger hunt with QR codes and models encased in clear "bubbles" placed around Milan. Inspired by Melvin Sokolsky’s Bazaar shoot—showing how brands are reinventing presentations.

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2. Highlights from London Fashion Week

Timestamps: 04:48–08:46

• London’s New Energy & Indie Scene
  • Under Laura Weir, the British Fashion Council is highlighting the importance of giving back and supporting risk-taking indie designers—London’s core appeal.
  • Naomi Campbell walked for various shows, including Richard Quinn and Dilara Findikoglu, boosting younger designers.
  • Chloe and Liam marvel at the visceral, dark theatricality of Dilara Findikoglu’s show—especially the "cherry dress".
    • Quote (Chloe Mel, 07:10):
      "There was something very sensual and perverse about it somehow, even though it was fruit..."
• Burberry’s Big Return
  • Daniel Lee's Burberry show in Kensington Park Gardens signals intent to recapture the label's mid-2010s dominance, fusing Glastonbury/British mysticism, vintage rock, and festival fashion.
    • Quote (Liam Hess, 07:31):
      “You could see Alexa Chung or Kate Moss… rocking one of these looks with a pair of Hunter Wellies trudging through the mud in Somerset, for sure.”

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3. Vogue Weddings & Music Buzz

Timestamps: 08:46–14:26

• Vogue Wedding Trends
  • Peak wedding season is September; Liam shares fun anecdotes from recent Vogue-featured weddings.
  • Abby Champion and Patrick Schwarzenegger's wedding had both bride and groom involved in design and decoration choices.
  • Notable fashion-insider wedding: Vogue’s Naomi Elise had a highly personalized, fashion-stacked celebration with nods to Haitian heritage.
• Music: What Vogue Is Listening To
  • Cardi B’s new album and viral court livestreams; her genius at turning everything—"even court"—into album promotion.
    • Quote (Chloe Mel, 13:04):
      “She’s such a marketing genius.”
  • Anticipation swells for Doja Cat’s return-to-pop album and Taylor Swift’s incoming album, signaling a season of major pop releases.

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4. Feature Interview: Martha Stewart live at Vogue HQ

Timestamps: 16:16–53:49

Martha’s Life, Wisdom & Style

On Age, Friendship & Staying Young

• Sets the tone by laughing off podcast culture, sharing a story of discovering a partner’s infidelity by spotting iPods, and being mistaken for various blonde icons.
• Age is just a number for Martha, who insists on cultivating younger friendships and learning from youth.
  • Quote (Martha Stewart, 23:58):
    “I don’t think about age, okay? I think one secret of growing old gracefully is not to think about how old you are.”
  • Quote (Martha Stewart, 25:12):
    “If a little 10-year-old wants to hang out, you’re doing something right.”

On Entrepreneurship & Launching Skincare

• Her new line, ELM Bioscience, took years of research and partnership with dermatologist Davil Bonasali—Martha’s joy in chemistry and ingredients shines.
• She’s proud of passing the toughest test: her daughter Alexis's approval.

On Viral "Thirst Trap" & Skincare Routine

• Martha walks listeners through her viral pool selfie and gives a masterclass in taking a flattering photo:
  • Quote (Martha Stewart, 30:16):
    “First of all, feel like you look good and look good. It helps to have a little bit of makeup on...the lighting is all important.”
• Daily wellness: early morning Pilates (bored by it, seeks tips!), green juice (from homegrown produce), homemade yogurt, superb eggs, and protein-light diet.

On Farm to Table & Food Trends

• She remains an East Coast farm-to-table pioneer, recalling an early friendship with Alice Waters.
• Anticipates the next food trend will continue the shift toward organic, homegrown, and toxin-free food, cautioning about the dangers of microplastics and pesticides.
• Anecdote: Battling food contamination after a Wyoming ranch meal—reminded listeners of the importance of food safety.

On Fashion and Iconic Moments

• Started as a teenage model, sewed her own Balenciaga patterns in college, and owned a Chanel coat for her honeymoon.
• Purses: Famed for a well-loved Birkin (carried during her trial), now prefers minimalist, hands-free options.
• Quote (Martha Stewart, 45:54):
  “Just be plain. Anything irritates. Everything irritates somebody.”
• She plans to auction her Birkin for charity.

On Continual Reinvention/Evolution

• Hates the word "reinvention", prefers "evolution".
  • Quote (Martha Stewart, 50:45):
    “I am evolving and I think evolution is… the best thing that one can do.”

On Being a Self-Made Businesswoman

• Differentiates her pioneering trajectory—before social media and accessible funding—from today’s rapid-fire success stories (e.g., Rihanna, Kylie Jenner, Hailey Bieber).
  • Quote (Martha Stewart, 52:01):
    “We didn’t have social media...There were barely computers...Now overnight you can become a success, which is good and also probably bad. But I think it’s more good than bad and it’s exciting.”

On Social Media & Influence

• OG "tradwife" and influencer before the term existed.
• Enjoys TikTok’s sales potential, but disputes claims that she spends hours on Instagram—her grandkids check her screen time, keeping her honest.
  • Quote (Martha Stewart, 42:42):
    “They check all the time to see what I’m spending my time on.”

On Entertaining, Home Life, and Trees

• Still loves entertaining; latest party favorite is smashed potatoes with crème fraiche and caviar.
• Her idea of a break isn’t leisure—it’s planting hundreds of trees, creating a three-acre maze for horses, and designing new products and collaborations ("breaks are a waste of time").

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I found my husband was being unfaithful when he was lying in the garden with ipods and he thought he was covered with leaves.”
  — Martha Stewart, 17:02

• “You get a different point of view... I learn something from [younger friends and kids].”
  — Martha Stewart, 25:01

• “I am evolving and I think evolution is...the best thing that one can do.”
  — Martha Stewart, 50:45

• “Just be plain...Anything irritates. Everything irritates somebody.”
  — Martha Stewart, 45:54 (on trial style)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:28–04:48 – Demna’s Gucci debut & Milan/London fashion weeks
• 16:16 – Martha Stewart live interview begins
• 23:58 – Martha on age and intergenerational friendship
• 25:53 – Launching skincare and entrepreneurial spirit
• 30:16 – Martha’s viral "thirst trap": selfie & skincare discussion
• 34:43 – Farm-to-table legacy and thoughts on future food trends
• 37:58 – Food poisoning story & food safety PSA
• 40:00 – Kissing a stranger in the Duomo: iconic documentary anecdote
• 42:01 – Social media habits and being checked by grandchildren
• 45:54 – Trial style wisdom; the legend of Martha’s Birkin
• 50:45 – On evolution, reinvention, and survival in business
• 52:01 – Business then vs. now; the age of social media entrepreneurship

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Tone & Style

Candid, witty, and brimming with Vogue’s signature blend of high fashion, culture, and pop savvy. The hosts and Martha Stewart keep the conversation light but unfiltered, with genuine laughter and stories that leap across generations.

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Summary

This episode deftly weaves together fashion industry intel, cultural commentary, and the ever-relevant wisdom of Martha Stewart. Listeners walk away with both trend insights and life lessons—from how to pull off a thirst trap selfie to why you should always keep making younger friends. Martha Stewart emerges not just as a lifestyle icon but as a template for personal evolution and fearless entrepreneurial spirit, all while keeping a sense of humor about her legendary past (and present) adventures.

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Transcript

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

Hi, I'm Arden Fanning Andrews, Vogue's beauty editor at large. My husband and I talk a lot of ebay strategy together because it is something that we have bonded over since the beginning of our relationship. We've known each other for 20 years and we've been using ebay for even longer than that, both of us. He's very proud of his five star review, which I have the same. We're pretty popular. We have a really good reputation on ebay.

[Chloe Mel]

This is the run through. I'm Chloe Mel. And it is a big week in the POD studios. Martha Stewart came to the Vogue offices on Tuesday for a very special live taping of the show. And I have to say, it was a hoot. She was so much fun. She really came to play. She left it all on the field, as they say. She had a lot of fun things to bring up, like people she's dated and how to pose for the perfect thirst trap. But first, Choma is in Milan for fashion Week, but we will be reunited very soon in Paris. We're staying at the same hotel, so I'm envisioning slumber parties or 6am playing the new Taylor Swift album when it comes out. But today, we have invited our beloved colleague Liam Hess, Vogue's senior lifestyle editor, to the run through to hear about all the news of the week, but also all the highlights of London Fashion Week where Liam was boots on the ground. Liam, first of all, I'm gonna contradict myself and not talk about London Fashion Week, but go straight to Demna's Gucci debut that dropped a lookbook on Tuesday and then premiered a short film directed by Spike Jonze last night, Tuesday night. Tell us what you thought about this.

[Liam Hess]

Yeah, we can jump straight into Milan. These fashion weeks, they go. They go fast.

[Chloe Mel]

They blend.

[Liam Hess]

They blend. I mean, obviously it was presented as a lookbook with all of these different sort of characters or archetypes, and it was dropped as a surprise as, I mean, it sort of struck me as being a bit of an amuse bouche for what is going to come next. It does feel like he's wiping the slate a little bit while also tipping his hat to all of the Gucci designers who have gone before. You know, there were nods to Tom Ford in there and Frida Giannini and. And I also was especially fond of her because I. I lived in Italy for a bit and one of my favorite things is the way in which Italians sort of co opt English words in their very flamboyant accents. So I was reading all of the names like La It Girl, Nerd, Influencer. But yeah, I feel like it was sort of him saying, you know, I've been in the archives, I've been swatting up on the brand codes and here's the synergy between that and my vision. And I feel like next season we'll maybe get to see what his big ideas are. Obviously a very star studded lineup of attendees as well. We had Demi Moore and Gwyneth Paltrow and my favorite, Alex Khonsani doing lots of hilarious interviews outside in her lab. Faux tiger fur coat. She's a hoot always.

[Chloe Mel]

Did you watch the film?

[Liam Hess]

I haven't yet, no. I need to do that. And it's by Helena Raine and Spike Jones, right?

[Chloe Mel]

Yes. There was a screening last night in New York with Gucci branded popcorn. It was super fun. And it also reminded me of how people do Runway presentations differently. Some. You know, a fashion show doesn't have to be a fashion show. We see this a few times a season. Glenn Martens also just did that with Diesel in Milan by doing. I mean, I would love to know what you thought about this. There was a scavenger hunt, I believe, with QR code throughout Milan to find these clear Easter eggs that had models inside them. The Melvin Sokolsky. The famous Melvin Sokolsky Bazaar shoot of the models in the clear bubbles on the Seine very much felt like a version of old school sort of sci fi and a new way to think about how we're discovering collections.

[Liam Hess]

It did amuse me when I was reading Luke Leach's review of the collection, that of course they will be scattered all around the city for everyone to see. But that was not going to keep the fashion press happy. So they had to like bring them all together just so everyone could see them. And then let's let them scattered. Yeah.

[Chloe Mel]

Liam, what were the highlights of London? Because it's always different. What filters through digitally and on the Internet versus in real life?

[Liam Hess]

Well, I think there was definitely a different energy this season. As you are probably already well aware, there's a new head of the British Fashion Council, the wonderful Laura Weir, who has implemented all sorts of new kind of initiatives to really bring sort of a new energy. And I think one of the things as well that did come through was we can't take it for granted for anyone who is in sort of like a position of power or success or within the industry, you need to pay that back. And there's a reason why it's the most exciting risk taking Fashion City. And that's because it's all indie designers. And I thought one very visible example of that was the fact that Naomi Campbell walked in a whole bunch of show. I figure it was sort of part of that spirit of, you know, wanting to support these kind of younger brands that, you know, wouldn't necessarily have the budget to cast supermodels. She opened Richard Quinn. She was in Tolu Coca's Lookbook, and she made a very memorable appearance at the Dilara Findukoglu show, which was quite the circus. I haven't seen anything like that in a long time. The show was in this really atmospheric old ironmonger's hall, and it was obviously very dark and spooky and had this kind of terrifying soundtrack of all of this clattering and clanking. And the models were sort of vamping their way around the space. And it was a real. You had to be there kind of moment, as her shows so often are. She has such a brilliant knack for theatricality, but also the quality of the garments is, like, very impressive as well.

[Chloe Mel]

The cherry dress, I just thought was one of the more exciting things I had seen recently on the Runway.

[Liam Hess]

It was very cool. I could sort of see, as it went around, everybody in the front row leaning forward to take a closer look and figure out how exactly it was made. I don't know if they were real cherries or not, actually, but, I mean.

[Chloe Mel]

They were, like, staining the white sort of fabric of the corset and the dress.

[Liam Hess]

Right.

[Chloe Mel]

It was quite. There was something very sensual and perverse about it somehow, even though it was fruit, it was. It was interesting how effective I thought that was.

[Liam Hess]

Yeah.

[Chloe Mel]

Tell me about your Burberry experience, because I feel like that's always the big circus moment of London Fashion Week.

[Liam Hess]

It was. They actually. The one thing everybody was talking about before the show was the fact that they held it in the same part of Kensington Park Gardens, where sort of back in the day, in the mid-2010s, Christopher Bailey would always use that location. And it really was, you know, the era where Burberry was at its peak. And so it sort of felt like a statement of intent, really, that, you know, Burberry is back. Burberry is, you know, has returned to the heady heights of its dominance during that period. But, of course, it was a very different take coming from Daniel Lee. And it was very cool, you know, inspired, I think, by Glastonbury and sort of British mysticism in the 1960s and 70s. And there was this kind of Black Sabbath soundtrack and seems like they're sort of leaning into British music really as. As part of the brand. You know, they did a big festival themed campaign earlier this year and. And these looked like, you know, you could see Alexa Chung or Kate Moss or any of your Glastonbury faves, like, rocking one of these looks with a pair of Hunter Wellies trudging through the mud in Somerset, for sure.

[Chloe Mel]

I also love that they sort of leaned into the Oasis tour and had the Oasis kids modeling for them. So I do think Daniel Leigh has been quite savvy about that. Liam, you and I have caught up this week already, but you have mentioned that you have been working on a wedding basically every day for the last. Such is the plight of wedding season. But I do feel like people think about wedding season being the summer. And to me, the most busy month of the year for weddings is September, without a doubt. What are some of the more exciting weddings that have gone up on vogue.com recently and that you are eagerly chasing?

[Liam Hess]

I mean, they are all equally exciting. Chloe.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, there you go.

[Liam Hess]

Beautiful weddings.

[Chloe Mel]

A wedding, a marital diplomat.

[Liam Hess]

One very beautiful wedding that we published last week was Abby Champion and Patrick Schwarzenegger's wedding, which was in Idaho. And Abby wore Daniel Frankel and Patrick was wearing custom Heider Ackermann for Tom Ford, which I believe is the first time he sort of outfitted someone for a wedding at his new post. I think my favorite anecdote from the wedding was Abby was talking about in the story how it was actually Patrick, not her, who was obsessed with like, the decor and the flowers and the details. Yeah. She was like, I'm just gonna leave that to him.

[Chloe Mel]

I mean, Graham did plan our wedding, but yes, I'm always impressed by.

[Liam Hess]

Yeah, I always. Because Elise, our colleague Elise Taylor, who also works on weddings often says that sometimes with the wedding submissions we look at, it feels she describes them as she's Barbie, but he's just Ken. Weddings where it's, you know, very much the bride's moment. But I think this was a nice one because it really. You could tell that both of them had been so involved in every aspect of the. And they really sort of shared double billing in a way. That was nice. We love a man who cares about getting the florals just right, you know, it's true.

[Chloe Mel]

My favorite photo was the cast of the White Lotus Season 3, which was extremely charming. It was like, who was Alessandra Nivola? Who else?

[Liam Hess]

Sam Nivola. Sarah Catherine Hook. Jason Isaacs. The family reunion.

[Martha Stewart]

Yeah.

[Chloe Mel]

Plotsmod Apatow, who's dating Baby Navola. Very cute. What other weddings?

[Liam Hess]

We love a vogue at a brideground here. And when our esteemed colleague Naomi Elise mentioned that she was getting married, it was very, very exciting because as we all know, she's probably like the best dressed person in the office, maybe in the world. We knew it was going to be a fashion emergency. She sort of enlisted the help of a lot of her good friends, including Christopher John Rogers and Rachel Scott of Diatima and now Proenza Schooler and Henry Zankov to create this kind of amazing suite of looks on looks, on looks, so many looks. And it was just a really beautiful, sweet, thoughtful wedding. You know, there were some lovely nods to her Haitian heritage. And they had a good friend of theirs, the musician Liv sort of perform and, you know, without sounding too cheesy, it's like it was sort of a reminder that, like the coolest people and the coolest weddings maybe are the ones that are just feel very effortless, you know.

[Chloe Mel]

Liam, what are you listening to right now?

[Liam Hess]

Well, I, like many others, have been listening to the Cardi B album a lot. There was the hilarious and brilliant rollout of it all, which I believe Christian wrote about. There was the sort of the hilarious way the album has been rolled out. She was in court for quite a bizarre case and for some reason I never understand why they do this, but it was being livestreamed. Her sort of testimony and just her response. You know, she's so funny and so charismatic and she was being asked these sort of often very ridiculous questions and sort of meeting them with equally absurd answers. And then she sort of parlayed that into part of the album promo. I think she's. She. Because she was going viral. She then took some of the sort of screenshots of her in court and decided to release a limited edition version of the album with that as the.

[Chloe Mel]

COVID Oh, my God, she's such a marketing genius. She announced last week that she is pregnant with her fourth baby and with obviously NFL star Stefan Diggs. And she has some great maternity looks that she's been bringing out.

[Liam Hess]

There's a lot of Cher, a lot of lace. You know, she's. She's not afraid to show off that bump.

[Chloe Mel]

Doja Cat's new album is coming out on Friday.

[Liam Hess]

I'm excited for the Doja Cat album. I, you know, she's sort of. This is her big return to pop music, really, because she's been leaning more into her kind of hip hop side over the past album or two. And it is visually the world she's built around. It is already, like, super cool. It's obviously very, very 80s inspired sort of Paula Abdul, Janet Jackson vibes. And she's also been wearing some incredible archive fashion lots Claude Montana and vintage ysl. And I'm excited about. I think there's a new single dropping alongside the album called Gorgeous. And there's been these sort of teasers with lots of supermodels. It's Anok and Paloma and Irina Shayk and Karen Elson are all going to be in this video, I believe. So it's going to be sort of like the 2025 version of George Michael's Freedom.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, my God, that's so fun. Liam. We are heading straight into Taylor Swift season.

[Martha Stewart]

It is coming.

[Chloe Mel]

Showgirl season is upon us.

[Liam Hess]

I've always liked Pop Taylor the best. You know, controversially, I'd probably say my favorite album of hers is Reputation. And she's back working with Max Martin and Shellbach, who produced a lot of that album again. And, you know, I just, I wasn't into the moody midnights and tortured poet stuff. Sorry, Swifties. I'm probably gonna need to go into, like, witness protection to. But I see that she's back in her pop girl bag.

[Chloe Mel]

All right, well, we can all be excited about that. We are starting our shark week on October 2nd. It will be our big Paris Fashion Week extravaganza. There will be an episode of the Run through every single day for four days straight on the grounds, straight from the horse's mouth. The horses being me, Nicole, Choma, and others. So stay tuned. The Run through will be back with Martha Stewart after this break.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

It's 11:30pm I'm just about to fall asleep. And yet I'm still scrolling ebay looking for YSL. Quilted satin, transparent Moto Miss 60 deadstock, an antique Edwardian blouse. I'm actively bidding and putting in best offers on ebay before my head hits the pillow. That's actually what lulls me to sleep at night and then waking up in the morning checking to see who responded to me. This is a normal day.

[Chloe Mel]

Martha, we are so excited.

[Martha Stewart]

Wow. Look how many people are here to.

[Chloe Mel]

Have you at the World Trade Center.

[Martha Stewart]

Thank you.

[Chloe Mel]

I will tell you, this is the room where we have the company meeting and there's not this big a crowd. So this is a big, big excitement for us. Big Tuesday at One World Trade. Do you listen to podcasts?

[Martha Stewart]

I have a podcast, but do you.

[Chloe Mel]

Listen to other podcasts?

[Martha Stewart]

I really? Don't listen to too many podcasts. I'm sorry about that because I spend a lot of time in the car, but it's usually work related. The car rides.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay, so you're doing more calls then.

[Martha Stewart]

Yes. And I also don't like listening to pod because I don't use iPods.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh. Because of 5G or things.

[Martha Stewart]

I just don't use them. That's how I found my husband was being unfaithful when he was lying in the garden with ipods and he thought he was covered with leaves and he had those things in his ears. That's the early, early days of Sony ipods. And I've hated them ever since.

[Chloe Mel]

It's a good reason.

[Martha Stewart]

Yeah, Very good.

[Chloe Mel]

Martha. I have to say, when we were preparing for this interview, I said, you know, I feel very close to Martha because even though we don't know each other very well, my mother, Candice Bergen, is often confused for you.

[Martha Stewart]

And. And I've known you since you were born. You don't even know that. But your mother married an old boyfriend of mine on Lily Pond Lane. Oh, this is her. He was her stepfather.

[Chloe Mel]

That's true. We were neighbors. I didn't know that.

[Martha Stewart]

Yes. He was a boyfriend of yours? Yeah, I went out with him a couple times.

[Chloe Mel]

He was quite the Casanova for a moment.

[Martha Stewart]

He was nice. He was a very nice man. There was a couple of us, more than two of us. There's Candace, Diane Sawyer. Everybody thinks I'm Diane Sawyer all the time. And all the time they mistake me for Diane and Candace. And let me see, Meryl Streep. Somebody mistook me for Meryl Streep once. But I think.

[Chloe Mel]

Who's the craziest, most surprising mistaken identity you've ever gotten?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, no, those. Just those two. Nobody else. I don't think those are. But very beautiful women and very talented women. So I'm happy about that.

[Chloe Mel]

That's true. You're in good blonde company. Martha, you were out and about at New York Fashion Week last week. Tell me about what.

[Martha Stewart]

It was busy.

[Chloe Mel]

It was a booming time.

[Martha Stewart]

Oh my gosh, I had such a good time. I didn't get to a. But I did get to Libertine, which is in the Elizabeth Street Garden. And I think Johnson has done a very good job of helping keep that garden alive. So I support him very much and I love his clothes. So I went to that. I went to Alexandra Wang.

[Chloe Mel]

I know you played Mah Jong with.

[Martha Stewart]

Cardi B. Oh, my gosh. Cardi B didn't know anything about mah jong, but she is so fun. And she looked gorgeous. She looked gorgeous. She brought her little seven year old girl.

[Chloe Mel]

Did you teach Cardi how to play mah jong?

[Martha Stewart]

Well, we talked about it, but actually, really, you can't do it that fast.

[Chloe Mel]

Do you play mah jongg? That's a big thing, right?

[Martha Stewart]

I play with one friend up in Bedford. She's a mah jong freak. And I find it to be one of the most boring and silly games on earth, but I don't have a lot of time to play games like that. But it's interesting. The tiles are pretty and the ones that Alexander Wang had, these are modern tiles made out of stainless steel, painted with very complex designs. I don't know what they exactly signify, but they were hard to match up. And especially in the dark room. And we were sitting at tables, Mah jong tables, which were about 2ft from the floor. So the celebrity people got to sit at the mah jong tables.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay.

[Martha Stewart]

And I thought we would get the mah Jongg table to take home with us. I'd love to have that.

[Chloe Mel]

Have you ever made mah jong tables or sets?

[Martha Stewart]

No, no, no, I haven't, but they're interesting.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay. Other fashion week parties you went to.

[Martha Stewart]

Let me see. I went to the J. Crew.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, yeah, that looked fun. You were in the room full of cashmere, right?

[Martha Stewart]

Yeah, it was. And it turns out that there was a room made sort of like a bedroom library. And the blanket on the bed was knitted in dark blue, dark red cashmere. Very, very thick cashmere. And my 10 year old nephew, Silas Slater had knitted that.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, wow.

[Martha Stewart]

And he got paid. I think he got paid $1,200. He's 10 years old and his mother had worked on it also. And another crafter up in eastern Connecticut. Wow. So how weird is that connection?

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, you didn't know Silas had done it?

[Martha Stewart]

No, I didn't know that. They're busy doing all kinds of crafty things, so he did a lot of the combing of the cashmere. And it's quite a. It looks like a Rothko. It was supposed to look like some sort of Rothko blanket, but that was funny.

[Chloe Mel]

What's your dream night out in New York these days?

[Martha Stewart]

My dream night out is somebody interesting. Like tomorrow night is very interesting because there are a lot of things going on. It's climate week. Of course, you all know that the UN is in session. The traffic is hideous. I am invited by Mayor Bloomberg to go to the dinner at the New Frick with the Secretary General of the un so that'll be interesting. That's a dream kind of dinner to go to. Cause you learn something, you meet some new people, you hang out with Mayor Bloomberg, who I love and that's fine.

[Chloe Mel]

What's the best restaurant in New York at this moment or where do you love to eat?

[Martha Stewart]

Well, Saturday night I'm going to supposedly the number one restaurant in America. You know what that is, Tatiana? No, tell me. It was Atomix.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh.

[Martha Stewart]

The Korean owned restaurant, Atomics. And it's my daughter's birthday and seven of us are going for dinner at the, you know, that's what it was voted the best. So we're happy.

[Chloe Mel]

Have you eaten there before?

[Martha Stewart]

No, but I did have them on my show for their restaurant in Rockefeller Center, Nara. And that's a delicious restaurant. But we're anxious to see. And they have the harshest critics. My 13 and 14 year old grandchildren are real restaurant critics. And they know food. They know food better than anybody else I know. And they can tell you every ingredient in a dish. I don't know how they learned. I guess their mother taught them. But they are really harsh critics. So we'll see.

[Chloe Mel]

Well, your 84th birthday was last month. I'm sorry, it's on Wikipedia.

[Martha Stewart]

So I don't mean to say that they always have to say that.

[Chloe Mel]

I mean, it's so stupid because we're in such awe. And you're launching Skincare. This is a great. You're your best ad. Yes, but I wondered. Happy belated birthday.

[Martha Stewart]

Thank you.

[Chloe Mel]

I wondered how you celebrated.

[Martha Stewart]

We were in Maine.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay.

[Martha Stewart]

And we were. I have a house up in Maine on Mount Desert island in Acadia national park. And it's one of our favorite places. And we just had a simple. We had a few friends. Octavia Spencer came.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, wow.

[Martha Stewart]

And I hadn't met her before. She was so fun and so nice to everybody. I was so happy. Cause there's, you know, family dynamics and stuff. But she got, she waded through all of that.

[Chloe Mel]

Did she just show up or.

[Martha Stewart]

I mean, she came with some other friends and she's. The little boy had asked his father, who's one of my friends, that he loves me, this little 10 year old boy. And could they go to Maine. So they chose my birthday weekend to come.

[Chloe Mel]

And they brought Octavia.

[Martha Stewart]

And they brought Octavia.

[Chloe Mel]

Leonardo DiCaprio recently said that he emotionally feels 32 years old. I wonder how old you emotionally feel.

[Martha Stewart]

Depends on the day and what I've done. But I don't Think about age, okay? I think one secret of growing old gracefully is not to think about how old you are. If I started to think about how old I was, come on, it would be horrifying. So I don't think about that ever. But one thing I do do, and it's good for anybody older, if you're over like 60 in the audience, start making younger friends. And of all my friends who are closer in age to me, I am the only one that has really done that successfully and nicely with younger friends. Because you get a different point of view. I mean, that's why I like this 10 year old kid from Charleston, South Carolina. I mean, I learned something from him and my little. And Silas, the little boy who knitted the blanket. That kid is smart. And he asked for his birthday, which was this Sunday. His mother called me up and she's like my second daughter, Sophie, her name is. She was my sister's youngest, second youngest child. And her mother died. So I've assumed the mother job and the little boy mother asked Silas, what do you want to do for your birthday? He said, I want to go to Aunt Martha's. So if a little 10 year old wants to hang out, hang out with them.

[Chloe Mel]

You're doing something right.

[Martha Stewart]

I know you're doing something right. And you learn from them. There's so much to learn from the youth.

[Chloe Mel]

Clearly you are learning from the youth. But I also feel like you are constantly teaching people and spreading the Martha.

[Martha Stewart]

That's what he would say. He would say, I learned something from Martha. See, that's what's nice. And they do, you know, we try to teach each other things. And one of my favorite mottos of all time is learn something new every day.

[Chloe Mel]

Would you say that is one driving force for you to be taking on so many projects all the time? I feel like I'm constantly hearing about a different endeavor that you have.

[Martha Stewart]

Well, I like, first of all, I'm entrepreneurial by nature. I like starting and doing new things and I like carrying things through. So to start a skincare line, for example, it's called ELM bioscience. This has taken a long time. I met my partner, Davil Bonasali. He's an Indian doctor, a dermatologist. His offices are in Hudson Yards and in Florida. He is a very astute researcher. And we started to talk about skincare about five years ago. And we talk and talk and talk and talk. He's advised other companies. Skinceuticals was one that he advised. He also advised Rhode, which has just sold itself for a billion dollars after, like two and a half years. Very successful startup. But he understands ingredients and unusual ingredients, and he pays attention to new trends and new happenings in the dermatological world. So he was the right person for me to get involved with. I love chemistry and I love ingredients. I'm a baker, and I like to know how things work. So that has been a very good partnership. And our serum is extraordinary. I. I have been using it now in different iterations for about a little less than five years, and it really has made a difference in my skin. Your skin looks great. Yeah, Flawless. Kind of nice feeling. Even my daughter Alexis, who is the most difficult person to please when it comes to things like skincare, she has gorgeous skin, but I gave her some finally, and she said she really likes it. She loves the very subtle scent. She loves the coolness on application. She loves the feeling. And it's not greasy. It doesn't leave, you know, it really is absorbed into your skin. So if somebody like that, the harsh critics like it. That's good. And it came out last week and has actually gotten very good reviews. Glamour had a few editors try it, and all of the reviews were excellent. I read all that stuff because you do.

[Chloe Mel]

Do you read comments?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, I like to read comments, yes.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, you do?

[Martha Stewart]

Yeah. I like. I caught my gardener in a very bad comment last week. Week. And which is say more. Oh, boy. Ryan McAllister, who's like this heartthrob for every other gardener in the world. He's this handsome Californian who works in my garden. He's my head gardener. And he wrote he did a slightly improper description of my eggplants on his Instagram.

[Chloe Mel]

Go on.

[Martha Stewart]

And some lady wrote to him, wrote him so and so and so and so. I don't know. 777, her name is. And she said, oh, Riri, this is kind of wild. What would WWMS think? So I have to read that crap, you know, what would Martha Stewart think? And he wrote back, I have a life of my own, so I don't care. And then. So then I wrote back how much I cared. And that post came down, like, within three seconds. So if he's watching his Instagram that closely and gets that, it's bothersome. So we haven't had our talk yet. That's five days ago. And he's been so sweet ever since. But he knows. I know.

[Chloe Mel]

Speaking of your guard.

[Martha Stewart]

That's why I read comments.

[Chloe Mel]

Keep Ryan in line, Martha. I feel like all of us, when we hear about Elm Sciences, Elm biosciences. We think about, or I at least think about that iconic now viral photo of you coming out of your pool next to your pool.

[Martha Stewart]

My old pool. I don't have that pool anymore. Oh, that's the house in Lily Pond next to where you used to live. Yeah. And so I don't have that anymore. Oh, that's.

[Chloe Mel]

But you still have the photo.

[Martha Stewart]

I do, of course.

[Chloe Mel]

And I feel like you are your own best advertisement and that that photo really talk about going viral. Everyone was very focused on what your skincare regimen was and how incredible your skin looks. Just going back to the photo by the pool. What are your tips for taking a thirst trap?

[Martha Stewart]

First of all, feel like you look good and look good. It helps to have a little bit of makeup on. You don't have to have a lot of makeup, but it's good. And the lighting is all important. When I was coming out of the pool and I just happened to look at my camera, I wasn't aiming to take a thirst trap. I was aiming to take a selfie. And I learned about selfies from Johnny Pagazzi. Have you ever met Johnny? I have, yeah. He's the original selfie photographer. He did it with a little Instamatic camera. So he was always in his books showing all the pictures with all his friends. And so I learned how that the light is important and he was always turning into the light to get the right or use the flash. And I don't like using the flash so much. So it's more the light that's important. And then try to feel like attractive. That's important.

[Chloe Mel]

What, what's the routine for keeping skin looking good?

[Martha Stewart]

Well, it's diet, it's exercise, it's all of those things. And you have to pay attention to your good health. Exercise is extremely important.

[Chloe Mel]

What's your exercise of choice?

[Martha Stewart]

I do Pilates three days a week, although I am getting bored with it. So if anybody has any suggestions for getting out of boredom in Pilates, I have my own instructor. I go to the Pilates studio in in Bedford. I could do it at home, but I find that I have a beautiful gym. But I find that staying at home in your gym is a little. That even gets boring. So at 6:30 in the morning, I'm at the Pilates studio. Two other days I go to Sean's Fitness. It's a men's gym in Katona. And that's a good place because 30 minutes with Sean and you really work out. Then he has a masseur there. Who works through your clothes but gives you a good workout on the massage table for 30 minutes. So that's an hour well spent. And that's also at 6:30 in the morning. And then I go home and do the farm chores real fast and then usually come to New York and I drink my green juice. That is very important. I don't know if you all drink your green juice, but. But I have found that that has been, I think, what's in your green juice? I grow everything that's in my green juice. So I have a winter greenhouse as well as a summer garden. I grow cucumbers, parsley. Cucumbers. Parsley. Oh, lots of really, really good spinach. The ginger. Ginger root. Half of an orange with a peel. Let me see. There's some other green thing. Oh, lots of celery and celery leaves. I grow very bushy celeries and cucumbers and that's it. But it is delicious and I think it's very good for you.

[Chloe Mel]

We have to [e-mail], our audience is obsessed with protein. How can you get the most protein for breakfast? How are you eating the most protein? Is that something? What's your protein hack?

[Martha Stewart]

I don't eat a lot of meat.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay.

[Martha Stewart]

I do eat fish. I don't like dried beans. I'm not one of the. I'm not a vegetarian protein person. A lot of. I make homemade yogurt every week. My gallon of farm milk is turned into delicious yogurt every single week, which I eat with on a daily basis. Like maybe three quarters of a cup with wheat churn, and that's my breakfast. And maybe with a local honey, but maybe not. But I like main grains. Oatmeal, that's very delicious. Cracked oats, not rolled oats. And I have my own eggs. I have the best eggs in the world for my chickens.

[Chloe Mel]

What color are they?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, every color. I have a new meran chicken that's laying dark olive green eggs. Really, really beautiful.

[Chloe Mel]

Wow. Speaking of your greenhouse, I was sort of amazed to see that one of the first appearances we found of you in the pages of Vogue was right. It was February 1983 and it was right after you published Entertaining. You predicted at the time more and more people are going to be paying attention to what is coming out of the ground, either from their own gardens or from the greengrocers. And you really anticipated the farm to table movement, which you were just saying is such a big part of your life.

[Martha Stewart]

Still, I was the east coast at Ellis Waters at that time, I mean, because that was when I wrote my first book, 1982. I went to the west coast and met Alice in 1982 and she had just started her fabulous restaurant Chez Panisse and she served me little new potatoes all wrapped in foil, which was for me a. No, no. But she didn't seem to care. In butter and olive oil and chopped chives and they were so delicious. And that's how I did them too. But I did them in parchment lined foil because I won't let anything touch aluminum foil.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, interesting.

[Martha Stewart]

Yeah, everything's lined with parchment first. But it was so nice to meet somebody who was so like minded on the far coast. And of course she became so famous. Alice Waters for her amazing cuisine, her amazing recipes and we've stayed friends ever since. She's an amazing person.

[Chloe Mel]

Well, that's wonderful.

[Martha Stewart]

But we were in the forefront of farm to table really and truly. She did it so nicely with all the farmers out in California and I did it with recipes and entertaining here on the east coast.

[Chloe Mel]

What do you think is the next big food trend that we're going to be seeing?

[Martha Stewart]

Well, I think it's going to continue to be as homegrown, as organic as, as possible. It's terribly important to get rid of all the pesticides. It's so important to get rid of all the. I mean, we're now not allowed to use plastic cutting boards. You know that because as you chop, little tiny fragments of that, of those plastics are going into your food. So you have to pay attention to all that. And finally all of us are getting more and more aware. And I just want everybody to be aware of such a things and to really pay attention to the health of the food that you are eating, cooking, serving to your family. It's very important. It's hard for me to eat bad food. Very hard.

[Chloe Mel]

What's a recent example of when you had to eat bad food?

[Martha Stewart]

Well, two weeks ago, three of us out of five people and I haven't talked to the two guys that were on the trip. We, we went to Wyoming, to a ranch in Wyoming. And the ranch, I will not mention the name of it, served us homegrown rabbit and homegrown goat and stuff like that. And we all came down with a rather serious bacterial infection and I've been sick for two weeks.

[Chloe Mel]

Well, you look great.

[Martha Stewart]

Well, it doesn't make you look bad, it just makes you feel bad. In fact, my pads, pants and skirts zip up much easier than they did two weeks ago. So it wasn't that bad. But it was pretty horrible. And when the report came back, the state called me to find out where I had eaten the food. Oh, wow. So the Food and drug, I guess it's the fda, is still paying attention. They haven't all been fired yet because they do call to find out if I had eaten it locally and got a bad rabbit. Bad rabbit.

[Chloe Mel]

Martha, I have to ask you about RJ Cutler's documentary last year that a lot of us watched and really, I have to say, enjoyed. I know that you were very vocal about not feeling like you loved the whole movie. You told one reporter that you were shocked by the final cut, that it made you look like a lonely old lady hunched in the garden, which I thought was very funny.

[Martha Stewart]

I have learned never to say things like that because they go on and on and on.

[Chloe Mel]

They do.

[Martha Stewart]

I'm sorry, but no. It's true, though. Rj, I think, is a good director. He had a specific way of shooting. I did give him final edit, which many people thought I was insane to do. But as a result, I got nominated for Best documentary, an Emmy. It also has been viewed something like 3 or 400 million times, so that's not so bad. And I've made lots of nice new young friends because young people who didn't know the story got to realize that with hard work and perseverance, they could probably succeed, too, if they try. So that message got across.

[Chloe Mel]

Absolutely.

[Martha Stewart]

So RJ and I are still kind of of iffy, but I congratulate him on doing a good job. I just think his art direction could be a little better.

[Chloe Mel]

Well, I do often wonder that when I see I'm fussy.

[Martha Stewart]

I'm a magazine editor. I want things to be beautiful. The last thing in our description of practical and useful and sensible is beautiful. And that's what bothers me. I like things to be beautiful.

[Chloe Mel]

I understand.

[Martha Stewart]

As you should.

[Chloe Mel]

As we all should. I did love how open you were about your personal life in the film. I thought that that was very relatable for a lot of people. I loved when you revealed that you kissed a stranger during evening mass in the Duomo in Florence during your honeymoon.

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, there's a funny story about that.

[Chloe Mel]

Please.

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, my gosh. Kevin Sharkey, who works with me, went to Florence. He was catching a plane coming back home from his vacation, and he went to see the Duomo. And there was a big, long line of American women outside the Duomo trying to get in. It was a very busy day at the Duomo, and they recognized him. They called him home. And he says, is Martha here with you? And he said, no. And he said, what are you doing here? And they said, we're looking for our kiss in the Duomo. Isn't that nice?

[Chloe Mel]

You inspired a whole generation of youth.

[Martha Stewart]

I know. Look for a kiss in the Duomo.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, my God. The Italians were probably so confused. I also think the film really show.

[Martha Stewart]

The film is shown in Italy.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay, so they knew.

[Martha Stewart]

Yes, they knew.

[Chloe Mel]

The film, I think, also reminded people that you were the OG Influencer. Is there anyone?

[Martha Stewart]

I'm the OG Trans. I'm a trad wife on the original. Are there any tradwives in the audience? See, I love tradwives. I'm going out to visit. I'm going out to visit Ballerina farms and Nara Aziza soon.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, my God. Say more. What are you going to do with ballerina farm?

[Martha Stewart]

I don't know yet. I have to go see what she's really up to.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh.

[Martha Stewart]

I want to see if she really knows how to make yogurt and if she really knows how to milk a cow.

[Chloe Mel]

Wow.

[Martha Stewart]

No, I'm just going out to be friends. I think those girls have sort of like, you know, switched stuff around. I like it.

[Chloe Mel]

Interesting.

[Martha Stewart]

Make your own sprinkles, colored sprinkles for your children's cupcakes.

[Chloe Mel]

What about make your own sunscreen?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, yes. Anything, really.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay.

[Martha Stewart]

I make my own sunscreen. It's the supplement that comes with my ELM biosciences. And if you take that, it does prolong the bad rays from getting into your skin.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, wow.

[Martha Stewart]

So you take that along with the serum as a commercial.

[Chloe Mel]

Are you on TikTok?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, I am on TikTok too, but not. Not as actively as I should. I want. I want to sell stuff on TikTok. It's a very good platform.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, okay.

[Martha Stewart]

So that's what we're going to do.

[Chloe Mel]

What's your TikTok algorithm like? What are you. What kind of thing are you watching on TikTok?

[Martha Stewart]

Not much.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay, not much.

[Martha Stewart]

I don't have. I just saw a statistic on my Instagram that I watch six hours a day of Instagram a day, and that's absolutely not true. Maybe it stayed on during the night some night, and it got. I cannot believe that my and my grandchildren check all the time to see what I'm spending my time on.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh.

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, they do. They check.

[Chloe Mel]

They keep you honest.

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, they do. And. And I promised them I did not spend six hours a day doing that.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

Sometimes people ask me which search terms I use. Whenever I'm on ebay, though, I search a lot of dead stock. That's a term that I throw in there a lot. Deadstock means that no one's ever worn it before, but it is like an archival piece or it's a vintage piece. And so that's a great thing to find on ebay. There's a ton of dead stock, vintage. And it's just kind of, like, comforting to know that you're the first person taking this piece on its maiden voyage, even if it's 50 years old. Ebay offers this departure from the everyday that ends up feeling totally you.

[Chloe Mel]

You started modeling when you were 15, and then you went to Barnard College. You were selected by Glamour magazine as one of the 10 best dressed college girls.

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, that was so fun.

[Chloe Mel]

In 1961. What. Can you describe Martha's college style?

[Martha Stewart]

Well, it was homemade. I mean, I sewed all my clothes.

[Chloe Mel]

Wow.

[Martha Stewart]

I did not. And I got patterns from a beautiful shop on Park Avenue called Chez Ninon. That woman was a friend of a friend's mother's, and she brought patterns from all the designers in Paris, from Chanel and from Balenciaga and all the old Dior and all those guys. She would bring the paper patterns back and then make them for her American clients. And every now and then I'd get a pattern. So I remember making a beautiful olive green wool crepe dress with a tie in the front. It was a beautiful. I think that was. I think it was a Balenciaga. And I wore that to school one day.

[Chloe Mel]

Wow.

[Martha Stewart]

And I got called into the president's office and said that they would like to nominate me for the Glamour 10 Best Dressed College Girls. And so I thought, that's fun. So I did that.

[Chloe Mel]

What was your first big fashion purchase?

[Martha Stewart]

My first. Oh, it was a Chanel coat that I took on my honeymoon.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, wow.

[Martha Stewart]

A black Chanel coat with lots of little gold buttons on the front. I don't have that coat, but I have pictures of me at Vaux le Vicomte on my honeymoon wearing it. It's the most beautiful pictures. Really nice.

[Chloe Mel]

You. I saw on your Instagram that you recently went to a fashionphile Astouline book party that was all about different bags. And there was a picture of you posing with a Birkin bag.

[Martha Stewart]

My only Hermes pocketbook. We call them pocketbooks. And it's a very beautiful one that my boyfriend bought in St. Barth's for me a long time ago. I think he bought that in, like, maybe in 2001 or something like that. And I wore it to my trial every day.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, wow.

[Martha Stewart]

And it didn't bring me any good luck, but I brought it. I wore it anyway. And so they have a picture of me carrying that with a Gucci blouse. I had a gray silk Gucci blouse on and an Hermes coat and the Birkin bag.

[Chloe Mel]

You know, trial style has become a big thing. Anna Delvey has made this something. Justin Timberlake wore pearls. Do you feel like you could teach people a thing or two? What would be your advice for trial style?

[Martha Stewart]

Just be plain.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay.

[Martha Stewart]

Anything irritates. Everything irritates somebody.

[Chloe Mel]

So you posted such a lot.

[Martha Stewart]

But the bag, by the way, is now the second most famous Birkin bag after Jane Birkin's own bag, which sold for.

[Chloe Mel]

Well, that's good news for you because.

[Martha Stewart]

It just sold for 10 bags. I've already been offered a couple hundred thousand dollars for it.

[Chloe Mel]

Wow.

[Martha Stewart]

And someday I will auction it off for my hospital or for Acadia national park or something. Something good.

[Chloe Mel]

We have a video series of Vogue called what's in youn Bag? Where people sort of go through the contents of their purse. What's in Martha's Birkin?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, it's empty. It's stuffed with tissue paper. I don't use it anymore. I don't use. I don't use.

[Chloe Mel]

What purse are you using on a day to day basis?

[Martha Stewart]

Right now I don't use purses. Oh, interesting. I have a bandolier with a magnetic pocketbook on it. You know, the little thing. I just carry one bill and several credit cards and my passport.

[Chloe Mel]

What bill?

[Martha Stewart]

100, a 100 bill and a dollar. Maybe there's a dollar in there too. And. And then I have, you know, you can now. Your license. You have to have your license and you can now have your passport on a little card with your picture on it. So that's. I have that and my global entry. And that's it. That's my pocketbook now.

[Chloe Mel]

Wow, I'm impressed.

[Martha Stewart]

Yeah.

[Chloe Mel]

Martha, I have to tell you, we've been so excited about this.

[Martha Stewart]

And I do have pocketbooks, but they're all in. They're all in the closet. Right.

[Chloe Mel]

We were preparing for this interview. We've been so excited about Elm Biosciences. And then this morning in my email, I got an email from Paperless Post that you also designed a collection with them. And I just thought Martha is everywhere doing everything.

[Martha Stewart]

Well, I've been doing this for a very long time.

[Chloe Mel]

Well, I know, but I just wonder when do you take a break and what is a break.

[Martha Stewart]

I don't want to take breaks.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay, okay.

[Martha Stewart]

Breaks are a waste of time. When I have free time, I plant trees and I garden. I live on a farm up in Bedford, New York, and we are now planting hundreds of trees.

[Chloe Mel]

What kinds of trees?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, many, many different kinds. I've started a maze. And a maze is a meandering path through rows and rows of trees or shrubs. And each row is a different tree or shrub. And it's going to be. It's one of the largest mazes ever because it's going to be about three acres.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, my gosh. Could you actually get lost in it?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, you can. I use it. It has 6 foot wide grassy aisles. And I use that for a dressage course for my horses.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, my gosh.

[Martha Stewart]

We exercise there.

[Chloe Mel]

Wow.

[Martha Stewart]

And the horses like it because it makes them thin and they have to turn. These are big Friesians and they have to turn around in sharp turns and stuff. So it's a very nice equitation course.

[Chloe Mel]

Wow.

[Martha Stewart]

And so it has a purpose, even though it blocks my view from my house. And my landscape architect's friends are all angry at me for blocking my view with all these millions of trees and shrubs.

[Chloe Mel]

Wow.

[Martha Stewart]

But it's nice.

[Chloe Mel]

Okay. I lost my son in a corn maze last year, so now we're all stressed about mazes. Oh, but that yours sounds good.

[Martha Stewart]

How old is he?

[Chloe Mel]

He's five.

[Martha Stewart]

Oh. Did he get scared?

[Chloe Mel]

He was not happy. But he's milking it for all he can get. Martha, you have published 100 books.

[Martha Stewart]

101.

[Chloe Mel]

101. Do you still love entertaining?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, I do.

[Chloe Mel]

What's the most recent, most exciting thing you have been incorporating into a dinner party recently or something new?

[Martha Stewart]

Well, I started a restaurant out in Las Vegas. It's going to be three years old and. And we do a smashed potato with creme fraiche and caviar, which is couldn't be simpler. But it is so good. And I grew the best potatoes this year. So I've been doing that a lot lately because first of all, potatoes are delicious and good for you. And small, small potato. And they're dry. They're like the really best Idaho potatoes, but they're thinner skinned and they're round instead of oval so they look really pretty on the plate. And so that's one thing that I'd like to serve. And people love those. I mean, everybody loves that. Especially if you're generous with the caviar. Particularly, yes.

[Chloe Mel]

If you go to someone's house for a party. What is the quickest sign of a good hostess or bad hostess or host.

[Martha Stewart]

Well, the quickest sign is that the host or hostess introduce you to other people so you're not just standing there wondering who to talk to. I think introductions and really guiding your guests around to other guests, especially somebody who you might be very interested in, is very nice.

[Chloe Mel]

I love your motto that when you're through changing, you're through. How do you manage to keep growing and changing? Is there an example of how you feel like you have changed in the last couple of years?

[Martha Stewart]

Oh, I change all the time. But everybody says, oh, you're reinventing yourself. I hate the word reinvention because I'm not reinventing anything. I'm the same old person. But I am evolving and I think evolution is akin to, is sort of the best thing that one can do. It's what is happening with the animal world, of course, fighting, fighting to survive. And evolution is, it really is a survival of the fittest, of the smartest. And we have to realize that we have to continue doing good, doing well and change is very good.

[Chloe Mel]

When you're mentioning Hailey Bieber's road line which just as you said, sold for a billion dollars. There are so many women right now who are becoming self made billionaires. Rihanna, Kylie, Jenner, obviously other people who are less mononymed. But you were one of the first women to be a self made billionaire when you started obviously with Martha Stewart Living. Do you see similarities between your path and what people are doing today? Is it easier, harder?

[Martha Stewart]

Well, we didn't have social media, remember that. This, this is like 40 years ago and 30 years ago there was no social media. There were barely computers. There were some sort of ungainly cell phones, large ones like this big and clumsy that you carried around. It was a very different world. And now overnight you can become a success, which is good and it's also probably bad. But I think it's more good than bad and it's exciting. I mean if you don't have your social media person with you, who are you? You know you have to have that with you all the time. It's true. You have one.

[Chloe Mel]

I don't, but I should.

[Martha Stewart]

Yes. She was in the room.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, oh, Taylor, Taylor is, Taylor was there.

[Martha Stewart]

She's covering for you.

[Chloe Mel]

She is covering for me.

[Martha Stewart]

No, but it's a very different world. And money, it's also more free flowing now than it was then. It's easier to raise money for a new idea. There's so much money around. I mean with AI and Nvidia and OpenAI and ChatGPT and all of that stuff that's going swirling around us. There are so many, many very wealthy young people who are trying to figure out what to do with all that money. I mean, you can buy your yacht and you can buy your plane, but what else are you going to do with it? And I hope that a lot of them find out that it's also nice to be philanthropic and give some of that money away to the right causes and to, you know, hopefully maybe right the world, because it's pretty crooked right now.

[Chloe Mel]

It's true. Thank you so much for being here, Marcus.

[Martha Stewart]

Thank you for having me.

[Chloe Mel]

It's such a treat.

[Martha Stewart]

Okay.

[Chloe Mel]

And that's it for the Run Through. The Run through is produced by Chelsea Daniel, Alex DePalma and Stephanie Cariucci, with help from Emily Elias. It's engineered by Pran Bandy and James Yost. It is mixed by Mike Kutchman. Chris Bannon is Conde Nast head of Global Audio.

[Arden Fanning Andrews]

My first job in New York City was as a trend forecaster. I do trend forecasting still, and ebay is a part of that because I'll search for things that I'm seeing around, and it will end up directing me in places that I could have never anticipated. And one of the trends that I'm seeing these days is crafting things that are made by hand. And so playing with clothes and accessories to create something kind of distinctive for your wardrobe is a great way of doing it. And getting supplies off of ebay is my favorite thing for it. I'll get, like, maybe a pair of slippers that I'm wearing right now, and then cut them in a specific way, and then they're totally my own. And I feel like it's a great resource to create your own trends because then you can both feel like you're bringing something back to life. You're already, like, pulling it out of the ebay archives. And then you're also adjusting it so that it really expresses your own style, which is something that, you know, people really want right now whenever they are feeling, like, so algorithmic about the style that's being pushed to them. That doesn't have to be perfect. Things can have rough edges, and that sometimes makes them feel more special.

[Liam Hess]

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