Rebecca Hall Talks The Beauty, Entering Her Villain Era, and Bette Davis

Summary

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The Run-Through with Vogue

Episode: Rebecca Hall Talks The Beauty, Entering Her Villain Era, and Bette Davis
Release Date: January 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The Run-Through with Vogue" is a vibrant conversation with acclaimed actress Rebecca Hall. Hall joins Vogue's Marlie Marius and Hannah Jackson for a deep dive into her latest project, the Ryan Murphy series "The Beauty," her experiences entering her so-called "villain era" with Murphy's upcoming "Monsters" project, her artistic influences (especially Bette Davis), personal style philosophies, life as a creative multi-hyphenate, and reflections on family and pop culture obsessions. Hall is candid, witty, and full of thoughtful insights — this episode is a lively back-and-forth filled with warmth and wisdom.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Rebecca Hall on "The Beauty" and Body Horror

Segment: 15:07 – 20:47

• Hall discusses her role as FBI agent Jordan Bennett in Ryan Murphy’s new show "The Beauty," which centers around a virus that turns ordinary people into supermodels, with disastrous body horror side effects.
  • Hall confesses she’s surprisingly squeamish for someone who’s done a lot of horror films.
  • On the Cronenbergian inspiration: "I’ve always really admired Cronenberg, who’s arguably the godfather of body horror… I sort of like it when it feels like the world is created almost like an other. It's almost fantastical…" (Rebecca Hall, 17:59)
  • She describes Ryan Murphy’s pitch as “pretty thrilling” — a whirlwind meeting at Buvette, where he outlined the bizarre premise and promised fabulous fashion and international shoots:
    "He just said, it's about a STD that makes you really hot, and then you literally explode from being too hot… but you'll look fabulous. It’ll be all The Row… and we'll shoot in Paris and New York and Rome and Venice." (Rebecca Hall, 20:47)

2. Working with Ryan Murphy and Evan Peters

Segment: 21:23 – 26:24

• Hall reflects on joining a close-knit Murphy ensemble, and how jumping into an intense love scene with Evan Peters on Day 1 was a creative ice-breaker.
  • On Murphy's approach: Hall praises the collaborative, improvisational environment:
    "The kind of, like, one of the joys for me of this job was that not many people ask me to just be myself for a character. And Ryan was like, she's this sort of cheeky British FBI agent… he wanted me to just do me." (Rebecca Hall, 24:18)
• She teases her next Murphy project: playing Abby Borden in "Monsters: The Lizzie Borden Story," opposite Ella Beatty.
  • "Ryan got in touch with me pretty soon after The Beauty and was like, so we've written you this part… she's just the most wildly demonic character you've ever met. That was just a joy for me to enter my villain era." (Rebecca Hall, 26:48)
• Hall’s inspiration for the villain role:
  • "I found it to be slightly like a hybrid of Vivienne Pickles in Harold and Maude… and Faye Dunaway in Mommie Dearest." (Rebecca Hall, 27:30)

3. Bette Davis Obsession

Segment: 28:15 – 30:17

• Hall has a lifelong fascination with Bette Davis:
  • "There's so much. I'm not old enough to play it, but it would be Bette Davis in Feud… I've had a long-standing obsession with Bette Davis since I was a child." (Rebecca Hall, 28:16)
  • She dreams of doing a series about the making of "All About Eve" and even has a tattoo inspired by a key "Now, Voyager" moment.
  • "I literally have a line drawing of a shot from Now, Voyager tattooed onto my side… it's the bit where she's gone from being a bit sort of, like, wearing clothes she's not comfortable in, to wearing a really iconic hat… and she's fully in her power. Yeah, that's my tattoo." (Rebecca Hall, 29:47)

4. Family, Music, and Artistic Influences

Segment: 34:48 – 37:02

• Hall, daughter of theatre director Peter Hall and opera singer Maria Ewing, shares her relationship with theater, opera, and music.
  • She recalls her parents’ preference for jazz over opera at home and now finds herself merging musically with her parents’ tastes.
  • On opera:
    "When it's done well, it can be the most purely accessible art form… but when it doesn't work, it does feel, like, elitist and strange." (Rebecca Hall, 35:39)
• Witty discussion on the tragedy of losing digital playlists due to international bank glitches:
  • "You just wake up and it's all gone and there's no way to bring it back." (Rebecca Hall, 37:59)

5. On Style: Red Carpet, Authenticity, and Personal Expression

Segment: 44:39 – 51:32

• Rebecca Hall discusses her approach to fashion, both on and off the red carpet:
  • She shares a stylist, Bailey Moon, with her husband (actor Morgan Spector), but avoids matching looks: "Bailey knows us well enough to know that would be roundly rejected." (Rebecca Hall, 44:59)
  • On her Thom Browne trompe l’oeil look: "It looked very scandalous, but it actually wasn’t at all… people thought I’d painted my body." (Rebecca Hall, 47:34)
  • On personal style:
    "The thing that you don’t get to do on the red carpet… is actually put together outfits... I really love doing that on a daily basis, even if no one is looking. So I will wear some fairly strange combinations of things." (Rebecca Hall, 50:01)
  • Hall celebrates dressing for mood over consistency:
    "For a while I thought that was terrible… but actually, I’ve just sat into the reality that I like to play, and every day is different." (Rebecca Hall, 50:35)

6. Creativity: Painting, Directing, and Beyond

Segment: 52:39 – 56:16

• Hall reveals painting, drawing, and other visual arts keep her creatively balanced.
  • On displaying her paintings:
    "Of course [it] felt massively vulnerable. But it also felt like a huge relief… This is the fullest expression of myself: to do the things." (Rebecca Hall, 53:44 & 55:57)
  • Hall credits her artistic plurality with making her a better actor and filmmaker.

7. Pop Culture & Reality TV Guilty Pleasures

Segment: 42:26 – 44:35

• Hall is a devoted "Real Housewives" fan, particularly "Salt Lake City":
  • "I'd love to base a character on Meredith Marks once in my life at some point." (Rebecca Hall, 44:01)
  • She describes her husband, Morgan Spector, as a little resistant but ultimately a secret fan.

8. Literary and Audiobook Recommendations

Segment: 40:11 – 42:00

• Hall recommends "The Ex-Wife" by Ursula Parrott:
  "I read this excellent book called The Ex-Wife by Ursula Parrott… written in 1929, a very open, uncensored account of being an ex-wife in like flapper New York... My jaw was kind of on the floor reading it." (Rebecca Hall, 41:11)
  • Discusses enjoying audiobooks—she recorded "Howards End" while pregnant.

9. Film, Musicals, and Bob Fosse Admiration

Segment: 57:15 – 59:57

• Hall would love to direct a musical, is obsessed with Bob Fosse’s filmmaking and choreography, and revisits his work for inspiration.
  • "Sometimes I've always been quite obsessed with Bob Fosse as a filmmaker. 'All That Jazz,' I think is a masterpiece… And also his film of 'Cabaret' is incredible." (Rebecca Hall, 57:20)
  • Hall reminisces about watching Fosse’s “slide across the floor” in “Kiss Me Kate” on VHS growing up.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On entering her villain era:
  "She's just the most wildly demonic character you've ever met… just a joy for me to enter my villain era." — Rebecca Hall (26:48)

• On collaborating with Ryan Murphy:
  "Ryan's a very collaborative sort of maker, actually...he's still very open...the joys for me on this job was that not many people ask me to just be myself for a character." — Rebecca Hall (23:05–24:18)

• On personal style and play:
  "I really love doing that on a daily basis, even if no one is looking...for a while, I thought that was terrible...but actually, I've just sat into the reality that I like to play, and every day is different." — Rebecca Hall (50:01–50:35)

• On Bette Davis inspiration:
  "I literally have a line drawing of a shot from Now Voyager tattooed onto my side...she's fully in her power. Yeah, that's my tattoo." — Rebecca Hall (29:47)

• On the losses of digital life:
  "You just wake up and it's all gone and there's no way to bring it back." — Rebecca Hall (37:59, re: losing her playlists)

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Key Timestamps

• [15:07–20:47]: Hall on "The Beauty," genre and horror’s appeal, and landing the role after a quintessential Ryan Murphy pitch.
• [21:23–26:24]: Navigating Murphy’s creative process, jump-starting with intense scenes, and the "villain era."
• [28:16–30:17]: Hall’s Bette Davis obsession and related tattoo.
• [34:48–37:02]: Music, theater, and family influences.
• [42:26–44:35]: Reality TV, Real Housewives fandom.
• [44:39–51:32]: Hall’s candid insights into personal style, red carpet dressing, and creative self-expression.
• [52:39–56:16]: Painting, vulnerability, and creative interconnection.
• [57:15–59:57]: Hall’s desire to direct a musical and her Bob Fosse fixation.

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Additional Fun Moments

• Hall’s story about losing her iTunes playlists due to an international move (37:35)
• Her daughter’s K-pop jacket designs and family “crazy outfits” (51:44–52:13)
• Lighthearted banter on living with tattoo regret:
  "It is an exercise in living with regret, having a tattoo, I think. I think that's a healthy thing." — Rebecca Hall (31:12)

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Tone and Language

The episode is conversational, witty, and open, marked by Hall’s dry humor and warmth. She is candid about insecurities, joyful in her creativity, and unpretentious about personal challenges and pop culture joys.

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Transcript

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[Chloe Mel]

This is the run through.

[Choma Nadi]

I'm Chloe Mel and I'm Choma Nadi.

[Chloe Mel]

And it is pleasure upon pleasures. Choma Nati in the flesh in the studio. Actually, I'm gonna take a picture right now.

[Choma Nadi]

Guys. I have to say, I think Chloe got dressed up for me. I know she didn't, but I'm just pretending that she did because she was wearing her lovely purchased from the Prada sample sale. Is it Mew Miu?

[Chloe Mel]

So true. Look at you, eagle eye. Thank you so much.

[Choma Nadi]

You look amazing.

[Chloe Mel]

I love this lace collar. I'm sort of channeling the all the period films that I'm enjoying right now. We have our digital cover star, Amanda Seyfried. Her cover is coming out tomorrow morning and that is it feels very in line with that time to the testament of Anne Lee, which is about the shaker mother superior Ann Lee and has a lot of good lace. Um, yes, I dressed up because we are filming a Vogue intern video today with someone very special, but I shan't reveal who that is yet.

[Rebecca Hall]

I can't wait for that.

[Chloe Mel]

And then I'm going to a screening of J. Kelly this evening, the Noah Baumbach film, which I'm excited about.

[Podcast Host 3]

So.

[Chloe Mel]

Yeah, you know you gotta dress at 7am for the whole day. Choma.

[Choma Nadi]

Well, you look fabulous.

[Chloe Mel]

Thank you so much.

[Choma Nadi]

And I'm gonna pretend it was for me.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, but I got new stockings and I already got a run in them.

[Choma Nadi]

Oh, no.

[Chloe Mel]

First day.

[Choma Nadi]

I hate that feeling.

[Chloe Mel]

U First of all, today we have the fabulous Rebecca hall on the show. She came to the podcast studio this week to chat with features editor Marlee Marius and fashion writer Hannah Jackson about the new series called the Beauty. It is a real star studded Ryan Murphy affair with everyone from Isabella Rossellini to Ashton Kutcher. Wow. Two names I never thought I would say in a sentence together. Anthony Ramos, Evan Peters, Bella Hadid even makes a cameo. And we were talking this morning in our edit meeting about how this is really adding to this widening canon of body horror that obviously the substance really seized on that. But more and more people on our team were saying that they're getting served more content about body horror. And so Emma Spector is writing about the state of body horror and why that's becoming such a thing and whether it has anything to do with GLP1s. So stay tuned. I have not seen the Beauty the show yet, but I am intrigued. It is about a virus that turns average people into supermodels, or so they hope, but also has some extreme side effects. Everything I've seen about the show sort of feels like every headline, every crazy headline you've seen over the past five years rolled into one storyline. So go forth. The first three episodes air on January 21st on FX.

[Rebecca Hall]

Wow.

[Chloe Mel]

Choma. I want to talk about your brilliant cover, Jessie Buckley, who, I have to say, everyone in the US Vogue office just stands Jesse so hard. So we were all very excited about this. And Hayley Maitland, a beloved British Vogue editor and writer, wrote the wonderful cover story. Jesse is just such a star, and.

[Rebecca Hall]

I love these photos.

[Chloe Mel]

I thought they were so fresh and exciting and really showed her personality.

[Choma Nadi]

Yeah, she really wanted to work with Jack Davis, and she asked specifically for him.

[Podcast Host 2]

Interesting.

[Choma Nadi]

And they had such a chemistry on set. They shot on the beach near her home in Norfolk, and I think her baby was on set, and it was very. It was just a lovely, warm atmosphere, and she was totally game. And there's one outtake that we have of Jesse coming out of the water with Jack. They both did a. They both went into the water at the end. I can't imagine.

[Rebecca Hall]

Was it cold?

[Chloe Mel]

What was the.

[Choma Nadi]

I think it was cold.

[Rebecca Hall]

I mean, girl, it's always cold.

[Choma Nadi]

I was wondering, when is it warm? Please tell me. So, yeah, it was a really. It was really special. It was really special. And I think it's always so nice when there's chemistry between a photographer and a talent. And they really got along. I think Jack has so much respect. They both have so much respect for each other's work. So it was a perfect pairing. And we had such luck with the weather. It was a beautiful day. That's why you see that sort of golden hour light on Jesse's face on the COVID She's wearing Prada, looking gorgeous. I mean, I thought Hayley did such an amazing job of the profile. I learned so much about Jessie that I didn't know. I think some people who are really Jessie Stans might know that she came to fame via a reality TV show that was, I guess, hosted by Andrew Lloyd Webber. So she's had quite an interesting path to fame. And it was so lovely to hear other actors, you know, the likes of Frances McDormand, sort of sing her praises. And she lives a very normal life. Like, her partner is a mental health worker, and they live in a beautiful cottage, I think is very similar to the one that you see filmed in.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, in Hamnet. Wow.

[Choma Nadi]

She just has this wonderful, grounded, gorgeous energy about her, and that comes through in her. In her acting, you know?

[Chloe Mel]

I know. I remember when we interviewed her for the pod for Woman Talking, and she's just the kind of person you just want to kick boots with her. Is that an expression?

[Choma Nadi]

Yeah, I mean, I want to kick boots with her, but yeah, I think. And then I love how she also loves fashion and just really embrace. I think she really embraces that in the shoot. And I understand why she's become such a muse for the likes of Matthieu Blase, the artistic director of Chanel. So she's just such an all round gal and I am so excited to see her just sweep the board this awards season, you know, both from the fashion, from the red carpet and the awards.

[Chloe Mel]

So I think we'll see our cover. Our digital cover star Amanda Seyfried might do the same.

[Choma Nadi]

Okay, we'll see, we'll see. My bets are rotating.

[Chloe Mel]

Back off with your sweeping. I can't believe she brought her newborn to see Hamnet. That is an amazing that Jesse's daughter was four months old when Hailey interviewed her and then she brought her to see Hamnet as her first outing out of the house is incredible. But yeah, we have our Amanda Seyfried digital cover launching tomorrow. The photos are so beautiful. Eddie Ray photographed and videoed the images which were shot upstate near where she lives and styled by Jordan Bacon so beautifully. Everyone at Vogue loved the Testament of Van Lee, the film.

[Choma Nadi]

I can't wait to see it.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, it's so good. By Mona Fastvald. But she's also in this movie with Sydney Sweeney, the housemaid, which has been a huge box office hit. So Amanda's really on both sides of the coin this season. Claire Massoud is one of my favorite novelists, and I was very excited that she agreed to do this profile. And I think she paints a really lovely portrait of Amanda and her life upstate. So I think it's a really nice piece. And speaking of Jesse and Amanda and sweeping, we are officially launched into awards season. Critics Choice Award. Last Sunday, I feel like was the soft launch. And now we are hurtling forward to the Golden Globes this Sunday. Tune in for a special episode on Monday morning with some of Vogue's top critics on everything they wore and everything they won. But Jessie obviously won a Critics Choice Award. There was some fashion that I was excited about, but I'm really. It made me eager for the Golden.

[Rebecca Hall]

Globes, which I think, yeah, I want.

[Choma Nadi]

To just call it because I want to say that Chase Infinity is the. Is the breakout. Is the breakout star.

[Rebecca Hall]

I don't think you're alone in that. I'm calling it now.

[Chloe Mel]

Hot tip. No, I just.

[Podcast Host 4]

People are gonna care about Jason Affinity.

[Choma Nadi]

I just think that she's Nailed every. You know, she's nailed every red carpet. She always looks amazing. And there's just something she's got that. I don't know. There's always one person who kind of is in.

[Chloe Mel]

She's the one this season.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Choma Nadi]

We didn't talk about one very important thing that happened at the Critch Choice Awards.

[Podcast Host 2]

What?

[Choma Nadi]

Timothee saying his really sweet speech for Kylie.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, that was really important, Joma.

[Rebecca Hall]

You're right.

[Hannah Jackson]

Come on.

[Chloe Mel]

I thought it was my favorite part of that whole thing was Amanda Seyfried commenting on Instagram. Oh, you just mean an act like a foundation between the two of you, not an actual foundation charity, which I thought too when he said that. But I find her so charming in her earnestness, and she just was confused.

[Podcast Host 4]

And it was great.

[Chloe Mel]

Um, so, yes, The.

[Rebecca Hall]

The.

[Chloe Mel]

The Kylie. Timmy official hard launch is here.

[Choma Nadi]

Yeah.

[Chloe Mel]

God, I've used the word launch like 40 times in this. But you know what? Award season just makes everyone ready to go.

[Choma Nadi]

I didn't notice. You're fine.

[Chloe Mel]

The SAG nominees are about to be announced in 30 minutes. And Connor stories of heated rivalry is going to be announcing them with Janelle James from abbottab elementary. The obsession and mania around heated rivalry over the holidays. I have not yet watched it. Somewhere turned pretty. People were obsessed with this summer, but he did rivalry.

[Choma Nadi]

People are losing their minds.

[Chloe Mel]

People are losing their minds. I think we're gonna have to really increase our hockey coverage this Olympics.

[Choma Nadi]

Yeah, I haven't watched it. I haven't watched it.

[Chloe Mel]

I haven't either, but it seemed to be what everyone else was watching over the holidays. What did you watch over break?

[Choma Nadi]

I watched my supreme again.

[Chloe Mel]

I still haven't gone.

[Choma Nadi]

It's really fun.

[Chloe Mel]

I have to go this weekend.

[Choma Nadi]

It's really fun.

[Chloe Mel]

I went to the movie theater to see SpongeBob SquarePants.

[Choma Nadi]

Oh, my God. Fun.

[Chloe Mel]

That was very exciting. And Ice Spice does the music for Spongebob, which was very exciting. And what else? I saw Zootopia 2 and that was pretty much my filmic universe. Big news yesterday at Conde Nast. Our beloved Will Welch is moving to Paris. Speaking of Euro Disney.

[Choma Nadi]

I know. He's moving to Paris to work with Pharrell.

[Chloe Mel]

I know.

[Choma Nadi]

Which is really exciting for him and sad for us. It's going to be a big. I can't believe he's been here 19 years.

[Chloe Mel]

That is wild.

[Choma Nadi]

We worked together at the Fader many moons ago, so I've known him for a long time.

[Chloe Mel]

I thought about that.

[Choma Nadi]

Yeah. Yeah. So really happy for him. Really happy for him. But yeah, I think it'll be a big loss for Conde Nast. The run through will be back with Rebecca Hal.

[Rebecca Hall]

Hi, I'm Rebecca Ford, senior awards correspondent at Vanity Fair and co host of Little Gold Men. Oscar season is upon us. Little Gold Men takes you behind the scenes of the race for the biggest prize in Hollywood.

[Hannah Jackson]

There's 100 wrestlers in the room, but.

[Rebecca Hall]

Only one can be Oscar nominated. Whether you're a movie lover or an industry buff, Little Gold Men from Vanity Fair has everything you need to know about this year's Oscar race. Follow and listen to Little Gold Men wherever you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Host 3]

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[Hannah Jackson]

Hi, Rebecca. Hello. Welcome to the pod. Yes, Hannah and I did binge, I'd say, like of the series. We didn't want to go too far.

[Podcast Host 4]

We want to have something to look forward to in our lives also.

[Hannah Jackson]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host 4]

Watch parties.

[Podcast Host 1]

Discord.

[Podcast Host 4]

It's kind of a lonely road to have screeners.

[Hannah Jackson]

It really is. Because I do feel like this show also is one that people will be responding to, especially in real time, I think.

[Rebecca Hall]

So. I actually feel the same way. I didn't get to watch it until two days ago.

[Choma Nadi]

Oh, my God.

[Rebecca Hall]

And they sent me all of them and I haven't watched all of them yet.

[Hannah Jackson]

How many have you watched?

[Rebecca Hall]

I've watched four.

[Podcast Host 4]

Okay.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

How are you watching yourself? Are you, like, good with that or are you uncomfortable with that? You know what I mean?

[Rebecca Hall]

I'm not good with it.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

I'm not good with it, but I've definitely reached a point where I sort of think that I have to. I sort of feel it's more self indulgent to be. No, no, I can't possibly because there are so many people involved in making a thing.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh sure.

[Rebecca Hall]

And. And you get to know all those people and it just feels a bit rude to be like I couldn't possibly watch it because I have so many opinions about myself. So I do watch it and get over that and I'm mostly okay about it now.

[Podcast Host 4]

You on the show played Jordan Bennett who is an FBI agent who is in a situationship with her colleague played by Evan Peters. Cooper Madison. Have you ever been in a situationship? Is that a term you were familiar with before?

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't know your terms. Define, define your terms.

[Podcast Host 4]

A situationship, like. I don't know, help me out here.

[Hannah Jackson]

Ill defined relationship.

[Podcast Host 4]

Ill defined relationship.

[Rebecca Hall]

Does that have to be work based? No, it could just be like a mess.

[Podcast Host 4]

It could certainly be a messy.

[Rebecca Hall]

A messy situation is what we're talking about. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

Maybe a non committal type like we're basically dating.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah. No, I've never been in one of those.

[Podcast Host 4]

That's so great.

[Rebecca Hall]

I have.

[Hannah Jackson]

I feel like I'm an adult woman.

[Rebecca Hall]

I'm an adult woman. I've been in many situations. This is not a perfect forecast.

[Podcast Host 4]

They're just like us.

[Hannah Jackson]

Look, I like this gives us hope for us all.

[Podcast Host 4]

Honestly.

[Hannah Jackson]

Maybe not.

[Podcast Host 4]

If we're all suffering, what are we doing?

[Rebecca Hall]

You don't know the good stuff until you've gone through a situationship. Isn't that the wisdom?

[Podcast Host 4]

It seems like you don't know happiness unless you've experienced the kits of suffering.

[Hannah Jackson]

And the true chaos. So then you understand what you deserve, understand what needs to be improved upon.

[Rebecca Hall]

One hopes.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

One copes.

[Hannah Jackson]

What was your kind of relationship to. Well, as a consumer to like watching kind of this sort of body horror, sort of thrillery kind of genre project? Is that something that you kind of consume as an audience or. Not really.

[Rebecca Hall]

I think that I'm for someone who's actually done quite a lot of horror movies. I'm incredibly squeamish and not actually very good at it. That said, yeah, I've always really admired Cronenberg, who's arguably the godfather of body horror and like that. But especially I sort of like it when it feels like the world is created almost like an other. It's almost fantastical and it has a layer of imagination. I Mean, it's always a bit fantastical too.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

[Rebecca Hall]

So it's sort of okay, but I still do tend to flinch.

[Hannah Jackson]

I feel like that's kind of common. Like, I feel like a lot of people who do that sort of material. Cause I'm like, is it maybe something about like getting close to it that you're like. I don't know, like, I just feel like it's.

[Rebecca Hall]

That's. Maybe it's. I don't think I'm looking to be desensitized, but I'm definitely sort of, you know, all that upsets me. So I'm then quite attracted towards. That also seems like a very accurate. You're saying that my career is a situationship. That's what we're saying.

[Hannah Jackson]

Maybe something to explore.

[Podcast Host 4]

Situationships are really nebulous.

[Hannah Jackson]

Something to really take a look at.

[Podcast Host 4]

Do you think, like seeing how the sausage is made is helpful when it comes to watching back?

[Rebecca Hall]

I don't know. You said sausage is made and I went down a whole.

[Podcast Host 4]

So gross.

[Rebecca Hall]

Because sometimes it's literally. That's what they use, literally. Sausage. Well, yeah. I mean, think about it.

[Podcast Host 4]

Wait, no, I don't know. I've never thought about it.

[Rebecca Hall]

Like, if you're doing a scene with like a gory something, I mean, what are they?

[Hannah Jackson]

You know, this is fascinating, guys.

[Podcast Host 4]

Can we get like a spin off bts you break down every. Oh, my God.

[Rebecca Hall]

They don't. But like in Shakespeare's day they did. They used like, you know, like pigs bladders and things and then real blood and it smelt really bad. We've moved on from that, is what I'm saying.

[Hannah Jackson]

Things have got better than God from that. Thank God.

[Podcast Host 4]

We're all glad for these scientific developments. Cornstarch.

[Podcast Host 1]

And.

[Hannah Jackson]

Were you familiar with the source material, like the Clonex?

[Rebecca Hall]

No, not at all. I knew nothing about it. Ryan Murphy took me for breakfast and I didn't know what he was going to talk about. I'd never met him before. He was like, come and have breakfast with me. It was Bouvette in the West Village. It was very nice. Cause he knew I lived here and so he was here and we met and he sat me down and he described the whole premise of it and said that it was based on a graphic novel and sort of pitched me the whole idea.

[Hannah Jackson]

Interesting.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, well, it really was because it's such a wild craze. I mean, like when someone. When Ryan Murphy sits down in front of you and describes what feels like the most Ryan Murphy sort of show that One could possibly imagine it was pretty thrilling.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

You know, and he just said, it's about a STD that makes you really hot, and then you literally explode from being too hot.

[Podcast Host 4]

And you're like, I hate when that happens.

[Podcast Host 3]

Yes.

[Rebecca Hall]

That sounds so unhinged in the best possible way. But he also added, and you'll look fabulous. It'll be all the row. It'll be the row. Oh, and you'll. And we'll shoot in Paris and New York and Rome and Venice. So, I mean, like, I didn't need to script. It was. It was done.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God. Your kind of primary scene partner in this series is Evan Peters, who is a longtime collaborator with Ryan Murphy. I mean, I do sort of wonder what it is to kind of enter a set where it's a lot of people who have worked with this director before and have a kind of relationship with them. Did it feel. Were you kind of witnessing. Did you feel like you were witnessing quite a sort of special dynamic between them? Did it feel quite sort of inclusive immediately? Like, how do you enter into that kind of thing? Cause I would imagine it's quite sort of intense.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, it did feel very inclusive, actually. I mean, the thing is, I immediately got on with Ryan, like, so that was sort of very easy. And then I immediately got on with Evan. It was definitely an intense start because the first scene we were doing is the first scene actually in the first episode, which is totally, totally a love scene.

[Chloe Mel]

That it is.

[Rebecca Hall]

Which is an intense way to start any job.

[Hannah Jackson]

Nice.

[Rebecca Hall]

And go up day one.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

They ripped the band aid off and get. You know. But. So, yeah, in a way, I sort of wasn't really thinking about the dynamics between them or my relationship to them, because I was more thinking about, like, how my backside was gonna look.

[Podcast Host 4]

That's the reason I was.

[Rebecca Hall]

Or how to hide my backside in certain places.

[Podcast Host 4]

I mean, like, you're right. It is ripping the band aid off, and I'm sure that really kind of just helped get you over the. Yeah, you know, whatever.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, exactly. It's like, this is gonna be the jump, right? The hardest part onto the level. Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

What was it like once you got past that?

[Rebecca Hall]

It's super easy, actually. I mean, they for sure have a shorthand, and they've done so much stuff together, and there's such mutual respect and admiration between them that it's very obvious. But Ryan is. You know, Ryan's a very collaborative sort of maker, actually, for, you know, which is surprising because he's, you know, he's this he's the writer and he's the creator, and he's the producer, and he's all of these things. And his world is so very specific.

[Hannah Jackson]

Totally.

[Rebecca Hall]

So it was quite interesting to realize that inside of that, understanding all of that and knowing all that, he's still very open to, like, you know, what do you think? And can you solve this problem? And, like, what would you bring to this situation?

[Podcast Host 4]

Do you have, like, a memory that comes to mind where you guys collaborated on an aspect of the story or your character?

[Rebecca Hall]

I mean, I think. I feel like there were lots of, like, minutiae, like, little line things and stuff like that, or shifts and changes. It was more sort of like in the moment, like, oh, this line isn't working. Can I just drop it? Yes, of course. Like, do what feels comfortable or, like, do what. You know, all that kind of thing. It's just, like, very easy. And he would be very open to me. I mean, the kind of, like, one of the. The joys for me of this job was that not many people asked me to just be myself for a character.

[Hannah Jackson]

Sure.

[Rebecca Hall]

And Ryan was like, she's this sort of cheeky British FBI agent. I was a British FBI agent. Don't dwell on that. I was like, well, it could be me. Cause actually, I have an American passport, so technically I could be an FBI age.

[Hannah Jackson]

There you go.

[Rebecca Hall]

So that's fine. But he wanted me to just do me. So he was very, like, you know, anything that comes to mind or, like, any improv, just do it. Which I did do a fair bit of that, but I couldn't remember now which bits that I improv'd and which bits I couldn't. Cause I just have a memory that's like.

[Hannah Jackson]

I mean, that's.

[Podcast Host 4]

Do you think it's, like, harder, in a sense, to play yourself or, like, be yourself on camera? Or is it just. I don't know. I wonder if it would be almost, like, difficult to not switch in and out.

[Rebecca Hall]

I mean, I really like doing the transformation and being someone else and doing all that kind of thing. But, yeah, if it's sort of. But no, I don't find it that hard to be myself either. It's okay.

[Podcast Host 4]

That was a really dumbass question.

[Hannah Jackson]

No, no, that's. No, no.

[Rebecca Hall]

What was dumbass was the answer me saying, I don't find it hard to be myself.

[Podcast Host 4]

This is hard to be responsible.

[Rebecca Hall]

It's, like, taken out of context. Is it really? That's one of those ones that you don't want to see a headline of.

[Hannah Jackson]

I understood what both of you were saying, and I think you both sounded intelligence. I think it's actually fine.

[Podcast Host 4]

There's the headline.

[Hannah Jackson]

Everything happening here is totally fine.

[Podcast Host 4]

We're just all good at being ourselves.

[Rebecca Hall]

So good at it.

[Hannah Jackson]

But the notion of him, like, cultivating that kind of collaborative environment does kind of track in terms of so many people returning to work with him time and time again. Like, I feel like that's. If you have. That's the kind of set that people would want to return to.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, I think that's true. I think he has, like, he has huge respect for actors, and he loves his actors, you know, and, like, when you. And he keeps giving, like, really great roles to people, you know, that are fun to do. I mean, I feel like he's already. In a year. He's now given me another role that was something that no one's ever asked me to do before, and I've just had a ball doing it. It's like. That's very interesting, actually, and fun.

[Podcast Host 4]

Yeah. For context, Rebecca is also attached to another Ryan Murphy project, Monsters, about Lizzie Borden. And you're playing Abby Borden alongside Ella Beatty.

[Hannah Jackson]

We love Ella Beatty.

[Rebecca Hall]

Ella Beatty.

[Hannah Jackson]

So young, which is so annoying, but so talented.

[Rebecca Hall]

She is.

[Podcast Host 4]

She's playing Lizz. What can you tell us about that experience?

[Rebecca Hall]

It's just that I don't know that I can say that much about it at this point. Just that it was wildly fun. That's fun. And I'm. I mean, Ryan got in touch with me pretty soon after the Beauty and was like, so we've written you this part. Oh, my God. And it's. She's just the most wildly demonic character you've ever met. I mean, like, so much so that it's kind of funny. Like, it's really funny. And that was just a joy for me to enter my villain era.

[Hannah Jackson]

Totally.

[Podcast Host 4]

Do you have any standout villains that you just put on a pedestal that you admire that you would love?

[Chloe Mel]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

Any cinema villains?

[Rebecca Hall]

Slightly modeled my performance after two. Well, I was sort of like. I found it to be slightly like a hybrid of Vivienne Pickles and Harold and Maud. Who's the mum? And Faye Dunaway and Mummie Dearest. Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host 4]

Incredible.

[Hannah Jackson]

Something good. Pill it.

[Rebecca Hall]

Fun.

[Podcast Host 4]

I also am curious if you, you know, Ryan Murphy, like you say, wrote you this part, if you could write yourself into any of his past projects, what would you choose?

[Rebecca Hall]

Oh, interesting. That's interesting.

[Podcast Host 4]

Is there something where you saw where you were like, oh, my God, I wish I was in that because also.

[Hannah Jackson]

Such a breadth of, like, so his filmography deeper than you remember, you know what I mean? Cause I was like, oh, right. Nip Tuck.

[Rebecca Hall]

You know what I mean?

[Podcast Host 4]

I know what you mean.

[Rebecca Hall]

There's so much. There's so much wild. So, yeah, I'm not old enough to play it, but it would be Bette Davis in the few.

[Podcast Host 4]

Oh, that's fun.

[Rebecca Hall]

Because I have had a long standing obsession with Bette Davis since I was a child. And actually, when the feud came out, I was really mad at Ryan Murphy because I was like, I can't believe someone got to this before I did.

[Podcast Host 4]

I can't believe you didn't ask for the Bette Davis.

[Hannah Jackson]

I'm like.

[Rebecca Hall]

And I've had, like, a long idea to do a sort of TV show that's, like, based on the making of All About Eve, because there's so many different ways of it. But when he did that, I was like, oh, well, I can't do that now. Maybe I can. I'm pitching it to Ryan Murphy currently. No.

[Hannah Jackson]

Is All About Eve your fave Bette Davis? Sorry, I'm gonna ask about. Yeah, yeah, go more about Bette Davis, please.

[Podcast Host 2]

What is it?

[Rebecca Hall]

Let's do it.

[Hannah Jackson]

Bette Davis.

[Rebecca Hall]

Are you into Bette Davis? Do you like Betty Davis?

[Hannah Jackson]

I am. I, like, read her autobiography, like, two years ago for God knows what reason. But I was like.

[Rebecca Hall]

I was living a workhorse.

[Hannah Jackson]

Like, I can't remember what now. I can't remember what it was called, but it was just so. It just made the case for her as being, like, one of the hardest working women in showbiz. Took herself to work so seriously.

[Rebecca Hall]

So seriously, which is just. But also one of the funniest women. Oh, my God. I mean, those interviews of her and, like, Dick Havett or whatever are just, like, beyond heaven.

[Hannah Jackson]

Like the sharpest witness. Just devastating in every moment.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

But, yeah, what's, like, your favorite. What are some of your favorite Bette Davis moments? Performances?

[Rebecca Hall]

Well, I literally have a line drawing of a shot from Now Voyager tattooed onto my side.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God. That's so iconic.

[Rebecca Hall]

So cool. It's the bit where she gets off the boat and she's gone from being a bit sort of, like, wearing clothes that she's clearly not comfortable in to, like, wearing a really iconic hat. And then it goes like this, and she's just like, underneath the brim of the hat and she's fully in her power. Yeah, that's my tattoo.

[Podcast Host 4]

Do you have any other tattoos?

[Rebecca Hall]

I do. I have a couple. I Have a couple.

[Hannah Jackson]

Any other movie themed?

[Rebecca Hall]

No, that's the only movie themed one. But that was like a kind of poignant one for me for many reasons. But the other one I have is like, I have this above all written on my ankle, which I like to tell people is to remind me which way up I'm standing. The problem with it is that it was a long time ago and it was before everyone was doing those really sexy fine line tattoos. But I thought that people could do that like, that they should just be able to do that. So I went into a random tattoo pile and I was like, no, it has to be my handwriting and it has to be very small.

[Hannah Jackson]

That's really funny.

[Rebecca Hall]

And it has to be really fine. And the guy was like, yeah, I can do that.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God.

[Rebecca Hall]

No, it's just a splotch. And it was a splotch then and now it will forever be a splotch. No one can read it.

[Podcast Host 4]

I see great problems.

[Rebecca Hall]

It was a good idea. All of my tattoos are a little bit like that. The execution was not quite. I think my expectation was much higher than the execution. But it is true. It is an exercise in living with regret. Having a tattoo, I think. I think that's a healthy thing.

[Podcast Host 4]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

Which is healthy. I think it's a healthy thing.

[Podcast Host 4]

We were just talking today about how we should all feel a little bit more shame and a little more comfortable.

[Rebecca Hall]

Do you think really?

[Podcast Host 4]

Just a little. A healthy amount of shame?

[Rebecca Hall]

Doesn't that come quite easily? Like, shame shouldn't.

[Podcast Host 4]

I mean, shame is a motivator sometimes.

[Rebecca Hall]

Now I'm really in awe of you. Do you just not feel shame?

[Podcast Host 4]

Oh, I feel so much shame.

[Hannah Jackson]

Like us.

[Podcast Host 4]

Everyone should be like me and just absolutely carrying it around.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah. I mean, some people in the world definitely need to feel more shame. But anyway.

[Podcast Host 3]

You'Re right.

[Podcast Host 4]

Oh, my God.

[Hannah Jackson]

On.

[Choma Nadi]

The run through will be back with a Rebecca Hall.

[Hannah Jackson]

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[Podcast Host 4]

Well, we also have an extensive theater background. And you and your husband met doing theater?

[Rebecca Hall]

We did.

[Podcast Host 4]

Do you often see theater together now?

[Rebecca Hall]

No, no. I'm really bad about it, actually.

[Podcast Host 4]

It's really hard to get there.

[Rebecca Hall]

We live upstate. It's really nice. We don't. I mean, we do try and calm down like once a week and do something cultural and like, see something, but it's quite hard. We do see stuff when we go. Actually when we go to London. Like, we go to London, we just went. Did a trip for the holidays and we tend to, like, pack in a ton of theater there and, like, be very cultural. And we just saw a lot of stuff there.

[Hannah Jackson]

What did you see there?

[Rebecca Hall]

Well, we were with our daughter, so we saw a lot of children based shirts.

[Hannah Jackson]

Did you see Paddington?

[Rebecca Hall]

No, we didn't see Paddington. Did you see Paddington?

[Podcast Host 4]

Marley's disappointed.

[Rebecca Hall]

I was really upset about it.

[Podcast Host 4]

Marley's like, I can't believe you let me down.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, I was like, I don't know. It's gonna be horrible now, the way.

[Hannah Jackson]

That my timeline is just filled with the bear. I just. I'm like, now I'm like, in my mind, everyone in London has seen this show. Everyone in London has been so.

[Rebecca Hall]

No, I saw the Ballet Shoes at the National. Oh, this is great. This is like a really great production. Oh, my God. Do you know that book? The children's book by Noel Streetfield from, like the 1930s?

[Podcast Host 4]

Not the red Shoes, the different one.

[Rebecca Hall]

We did actually also see the Red Shoes.

[Podcast Host 4]

Crazy.

[Rebecca Hall]

Just to be confusing. We only saw things with shoes. Good.

[Hannah Jackson]

I love that.

[Podcast Host 4]

It's good to have a theme.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

Honestly. But, yeah, when there's so much theater, it organizes.

[Rebecca Hall]

It organizes things. But it's limiting. Honestly, it's very limiting. It's not that many. I think that's probably it. Ballet Shoes and Red Shoes. Was it Twelfth Night we also saw. Didn't fit into that category.

[Podcast Host 4]

Did your daughter like Twelfth Night?

[Rebecca Hall]

She did. She really liked it.

[Podcast Host 4]

It's a banger.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

How old is she?

[Rebecca Hall]

She's seven.

[Hannah Jackson]

Okay.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

Do you remember, Obviously, yeah. You have a theater background. Do you remember the first thing you saw?

[Rebecca Hall]

I remember the first thing I saw.

[Podcast Host 4]

It was just like forever.

[Rebecca Hall]

No, I think they just had me in a carrier and stuck me in the back row of the stools for whatever they were rehearsing. So I was watching everything.

[Hannah Jackson]

I mean, if listeners don't know, like, yes, you have. You know, your parents are deeply involved in the performing arts in sort of very meaningful ways. Your father was Peter Hall, a very important director, founder of the Royal Shakespeare Company. Your mother, Maria Ewing, was a opera singer. I actually did want to sort of ask a little bit about your relationship to opera, like, as an adult, is that something that you enjoy? Is it something that you listen to at home. I enjoy it. It's something that I've had to kind of learn about sort of on my own. It's not something that a lot of people grow up with. Not something that a lot of people find accessible, even though I think it has a lot to offer people. And certainly the Met Opera in New York is such a gem, but I feel like it's always fighting for its life. So I'm just sort of curious as to what your sort of relationship to it is.

[Rebecca Hall]

I feel like when it's done well, it can be the most purely accessible sort of art form that is there. I mean, that. Because it's something about singing on stage in front of people, like, sort of accesses everyone's emotional core and just kind of drills right to that place.

[Hannah Jackson]

Totally.

[Rebecca Hall]

When it works. Totally. And when it doesn't work, it does feel, like, elitist and strange and like, what are they doing?

[Hannah Jackson]

And an endless, endless night. Really long.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yes. Yeah. So I feel like I was so saturated with growing up that I feel I have complicated relationship with it. Like, I don't go home and put on some opera.

[Hannah Jackson]

Sure.

[Rebecca Hall]

But now and again, I do think to do that. And I know more about it than. Well, I know about it, as, you know.

[Hannah Jackson]

Sure, sure, sure. But no. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah. But also, my mother didn't listen to it. You know, my mother was kind of funny about it.

[Hannah Jackson]

What kind of music did she listen to at home?

[Rebecca Hall]

Jazz. Like, solely fabulous. That was it. And my dad, too, actually. He listened to a lot of classical music, but he loved jazz as well. So that was really. That was really what I was raised on, music wise. And that's my sort of go to comfort now.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah. That's so interesting.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

Cause I've also found that, like, my. The older I'm getting, my music taste is just completely merging with my parents. My mom's especially, like, I am listening to what my mom was listening to at my age in, you know, 1994.

[Rebecca Hall]

That's really true. I have the same. I know exactly what you mean. Yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

And I'm like. I mean. And I think it was like, I grew up with that music, then I rejected it. And now.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, now you can come in a.

[Hannah Jackson]

Different way, in a real way. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

You've talked also about the tragedy of losing your playlists.

[Rebecca Hall]

Oh, don't bring that up.

[Podcast Host 4]

Sorry.

[Rebecca Hall]

Why would you do that? I'm so sorry. I don't want to reopen that wound.

[Podcast Host 4]

I'm so sorry. More just.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yes. Wait.

[Hannah Jackson]

How do you lose A playlist. I saw that question, but I was like, what is that story?

[Podcast Host 4]

Yeah, tell us more now that you've told us.

[Rebecca Hall]

The story is very dark. If you are a person who has. Has UK and US citizenship and lives in both places, often for most of their life, then ends up in America having made all of their playlists on a UK iTunes account.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, I see.

[Rebecca Hall]

And your bank account doesn't match up with where you were and it shifts and there's some sort of like, you know, cosmic glitch that happens that then reject, reject, reject everything.

[Chloe Mel]

Oh, actually.

[Rebecca Hall]

And then you just wake up and it's all gone and there's no way to bring it back.

[Hannah Jackson]

So sorry, nothing. That is really the money, the cost.

[Podcast Host 4]

Of being a dual citizen that they.

[Rebecca Hall]

Don'T tell you about.

[Podcast Host 4]

Oh, my God. Our colleague in the uk, Liam Hess, recently transitioned over from Spotify to Apple Music. Not to like, why would he do that?

[Rebecca Hall]

Tell him to be careful.

[Podcast Host 4]

Apple Music is superior.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, right, you're an Apple Music. Whatever.

[Podcast Host 4]

Anyways, but he was very upset because it like jumbled all of his playlists. It didn't lose them. But he like saw. He was like, they're all out of shape. And now I can't even touch this.

[Rebecca Hall]

I'm over all of it. I'm over all the digital everything. I know.

[Podcast Host 4]

Bring back burning CDs, bring back mini discs. There you go.

[Hannah Jackson]

I actually, I keep being advertised a like little like CD player that like, I guess it like has a super. And it just kind of like. It's just. It sort of sits there and it just goes. I'm like. But then I would have to buy CDs to use that. Like, I'm seeing that. I'm like, I'm loving the vision of that. I actually don't own CDs though.

[Rebecca Hall]

But I'm saying I want only blu rays, only CDs, records. Because what are we going to pass on to our kids now?

[Podcast Host 4]

It's so cute, you know, my playlist.

[Hannah Jackson]

Literally, I'm like, yo, my Spotify password is this.

[Podcast Host 4]

This is how you access all my data. Good luck. My God.

[Hannah Jackson]

You just log into the cloud and then. No, it's so true and it's just fun. I have vinyls that are actually being warped to death and that's a shame, but I like having them.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

Makes me feel nice to have things to hold all that to ask, what are you listening to these days? Have you?

[Rebecca Hall]

Absolutely nothing.

[Podcast Host 4]

Nothing.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, I really. I'm going through a non music phase. I don't Know, I. I'm, like, really saturated with music my whole life. Usually it's very weird for me. I'm just not listening to music right now.

[Podcast Host 4]

Sometimes you have to, like, have a palate cleanser.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

Mental. Mental sorbet.

[Hannah Jackson]

But are you listening to anything? Listening to podcasts.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, I do listen to podcasts.

[Hannah Jackson]

What are your faves? It's okay if it's not this one. We'll assume this is in there. We don't have to mention.

[Podcast Host 4]

You don't have to mention.

[Podcast Host 2]

We'll know.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, no, I listen to all sorts of podcasts and I listen to audiobooks and I listen to. What else do I listen to?

[Chloe Mel]

I don't know.

[Rebecca Hall]

I'm just going through a. I'm going through a reading phase, actually, of just, like, having some.

[Podcast Host 4]

What's the last great thing you read?

[Rebecca Hall]

Oh, my God. I read this excellent book called the Ex Wife by Ursula Parrott.

[Chloe Mel]

Ooh.

[Rebecca Hall]

Can you give us. Write it down.

[Podcast Host 4]

Write it down.

[Rebecca Hall]

Do write it down. It's just been reissued by Faber, I think, and it was actually written in 1929 by a woman who. She wrote this very open, like, completely uncensored account of being an ex wife in sort of like, Flappa New York. Ooh, fab. It became this huge sensation. Very scandalous, because it's got shot. I mean, my jaw was kind of on the floor reading it because I was like, I can't believe that this was written when I was like, this is a joke. Someone wrote this yesterday. They didn't write it then. And it was such a huge sensation. She became so famous so quick, this woman, that she basically ruined her life and she never wrote another thing.

[Hannah Jackson]

Wow.

[Rebecca Hall]

And it's a crying shame because she's a great novelist. Oh, my God. And I highly recommend it. It was a really good read. Sold.

[Hannah Jackson]

I mean, honestly, me too. I'm also really in an audiobook moment at this point.

[Podcast Host 4]

I need to get into that. I don't know why I can't just go for it, but I think it'd be really good for me. It's really.

[Hannah Jackson]

It's nice to be able to take in a story passively. Especially my eyes are just constantly failing, so it's also that they're tired. I was, like, listening to, like, short stories by Thomas Hardy over the break.

[Rebecca Hall]

Also delight reading them.

[Hannah Jackson]

Great question. And that matters.

[Rebecca Hall]

It does matter.

[Podcast Host 4]

That's a bad audiobook.

[Rebecca Hall]

No, no.

[Podcast Host 4]

It's no sense of narrative.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God. And it's just like, you're not. It's a very It's a careful art. It's like a very important art. And he would be great in an audiobook. Have you recorded any audiobooks?

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, I did. I did. I did a Howards End when I was really pregnant.

[Hannah Jackson]

That works. That is perfect.

[Rebecca Hall]

I really enjoy and I really. I like, barely stopped. I don't know. I'm sort of attributing it to being pregnant and some sort of hormones happening, but I was like, I'm just gonna keep reading.

[Hannah Jackson]

I was like.

[Rebecca Hall]

I was on a yoga ball, just like rocking back and forth. Just like, I'm just gonna keep reading. They'd be like, you wanna take a break, Rebecca? And I was like, no one sitting.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God. I.

[Rebecca Hall]

So it's probably terrible is what I'm saying.

[Podcast Host 4]

Well, speaking of high art, we talked a little before we started rolling about the Real Housewives and Bravo.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yes, yes.

[Podcast Host 4]

Flowing right into the conversation.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

You've talked a bit about loving reality TV and the Housewives. Even though your husband doesn't quite get the hype.

[Rebecca Hall]

He is lying.

[Podcast Host 4]

Maybe. Are we right? Are we wrong?

[Rebecca Hall]

I mean, he's. I.

[Podcast Host 4]

He just throw him under the bus.

[Rebecca Hall]

He may not want to admit to getting it, but he gets it. No, he does not always. He's a bit resistant. He likes to be a little, you know. But this seems like a waste of time when we could be, you know, watching something great or like. But it is something great. And I'm like, but we do all those things Shakespearean, so it's good for me. It's good to have. It's good to have high end life. Not that I'm saying I'm. By the way, I'm not putting, you know.

[Hannah Jackson]

No. Oh, shit.

[Rebecca Hall]

Not denigrating this way.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host 4]

It's an important part of our media ecosystem.

[Rebecca Hall]

It is, really. Is.

[Podcast Host 4]

What reality TV are you watching right now? Like, what's your go to.

[Hannah Jackson]

What's your fave?

[Rebecca Hall]

Well, I have been watching Salt Lake City Housewives.

[Podcast Host 4]

Did you watch the new episode, the.

[Rebecca Hall]

One that was it, the last episode in Greece?

[Podcast Host 4]

I think so.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah. Yeah, I did.

[Podcast Host 4]

I'm like one behind.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, I might be one behind as well.

[Podcast Host 4]

They got asked to leave a restaurant. That was where I left off.

[Rebecca Hall]

No, I did see that.

[Podcast Host 4]

I think there's one.

[Rebecca Hall]

No, I. Yeah, that's where I'm as well.

[Podcast Host 4]

Do you have a favorite?

[Rebecca Hall]

No, I won't pick favorites. No, that's. I don't have a favorite.

[Podcast Host 4]

It's really diplomatic.

[Rebecca Hall]

I would love to base a character on Meredith Marx once in My life at some point.

[Hannah Jackson]

Perfect.

[Podcast Host 4]

She's everything.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

She's, like, always djing.

[Rebecca Hall]

She's like. She's always DJing.

[Podcast Host 4]

Maybe not always, but she is presently. She's been known to dabble.

[Rebecca Hall]

Always DJing.

[Podcast Host 4]

There's one thing about Meredith. She's always in the bath.

[Rebecca Hall]

She's always DJing in the bath.

[Podcast Host 4]

Both on the decks. She has it, like, set up across the top.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host 4]

Well, we did want to ask you about awards season and style in general. You and Morgan share a stylist, Bailey Moon.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, we do.

[Podcast Host 4]

Who is just a doll.

[Rebecca Hall]

We love Bailey.

[Podcast Host 4]

We love Bailey. What is it like to share a stylist with your husband? Like, are there, like, other hoops you need to jump through so you're not too matchy matchy, or do you try.

[Hannah Jackson]

To kind of coordinate a little bit?

[Podcast Host 2]

No.

[Choma Nadi]

Okay.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

Bailey knows us well enough to know that that would be roundly rejected. I mean, there have been. He's come very. There are. A couple of times we've been quite. But I've kind of gone, no, this works, actually. Yeah, this is. I'm down with this, and it's fun. But if you were to suggest the idea without the artifacts, I think we would be like, absolutely not. Get out right now. Yeah, but I think, well, Morgan got him first, which is important to remember.

[Podcast Host 4]

Credit where it's due.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

And, yeah, it sort of happened quite naturally, because I think what happened was Morgan would be doing things, and then I'd be going to things with Morgan, and I'd turn up and be like, oh, I was just gonna wear this out of my cupboard, and Bailey would be like, what about this?

[Hannah Jackson]

Then I was like, I just happened to bring this along. Morgan dress.

[Podcast Host 4]

So just in case.

[Rebecca Hall]

No, he was very good like that. He would literally, like, just sort of throw things on the couch, just in case you feel like you might want to.

[Podcast Host 4]

What a dear.

[Rebecca Hall]

And then eventually, I was like, okay, let's do this formally. Yeah. And I love him. He's great.

[Podcast Host 4]

He was probably the busiest stylist in the last four years because he also styled Jill Biden.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

Did you know?

[Rebecca Hall]

Yes, I did.

[Podcast Host 4]

Was that a really hard secret? I think it's, like, so inside baseball here that we were like, oh, my God.

[Rebecca Hall]

Did I just tell it? I told the secret. I did, didn't I? I don't think I. No, it's fine now.

[Podcast Host 4]

No one knew. It's okay.

[Hannah Jackson]

Cat on the bag.

[Podcast Host 4]

Well, I would love to know a little bit about, like, your approach to red carpet Dressing, because I just loved. The Thom Browne trompe l' oeil bust that you wore was at the Academy gala.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, it was at the Academy gala. Gorgeous. I loved that. Yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

What do you, like, look for in the look? Like, what. What kind of sparks are you.

[Rebecca Hall]

It's so hard to describe, isn't it? It's just that sort of, like, inst. Yep. Or it's like, no, you know, a lot of things. I just go, eh, yeah. You know, And I don't want to feel meh. On a red carpet because so many people are looking at you. You want to feel. You want to feel excited. And so it's got to be something that excites me. I think whether it's the craftsmanship or, like, the beauty of it, or it is a little, sort of. A little risque. Yeah, sure. You know, a little shocking, a little something. And I really. That Tom Brown was, like, hit, I think, a sweet spot. That's very niche to me, because it looked very scandalous, but it actually wasn't at all. It was somewhere. It was just. It was a bit of a tease, you know, it was like. And I think actually in the room, people did think that I had painted my body.

[Hannah Jackson]

They were like, she's an artist.

[Podcast Host 4]

Oh, my God.

[Rebecca Hall]

So it was that. And then people kept kind of going, oh, my God.

[Hannah Jackson]

Like, not your little one.

[Rebecca Hall]

They're, like, trying not to look at me. And I'd be like, don't worry, it's embroidered.

[Podcast Host 4]

My eyes are down here.

[Hannah Jackson]

But actually, in fact, circling back to the question about being yourself on camera, like on a red carpet, there are people who, like, say that they're sort of playing a character or performing a version of themselves. And I think maybe there are other for whom that kind of situation feels maybe more natural or more comfortable. How comfortable are you in those sort of settings? Like, standing, having your picture taken, like, walking a carpet, you know, like in.

[Rebecca Hall]

The past, like, really not at all, like, historic. I think when I was really. When I was younger, in my 20s, I really struggled with it.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

Like, if someone stuck a camera at me, I sort of immediately, like, recessed into my neck. It was, like, really not a good look on camera. It was like, please stop looking at me. And I do. That is honestly my natural state is one of, please stop looking at me.

[Hannah Jackson]

How interesting.

[Rebecca Hall]

But over the years, it has changed. And it's not really as. It's not really as straightforward as, like, I create a character that then. Cause I don't have a Persona.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

But I do Care less about people looking at me or what they think. So then. And I think when you cease to care about that, then you can get to a creative place where actually you can just be creative and fun.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

And have fun.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

I don't take it very seriously. I think that is key, you know, like, there might be some real disasters and there might be some wins, and that's okay. The disasters are as important. You know, it's like. It's all part of the totally.

[Podcast Host 4]

The beauty is inside us all along.

[Rebecca Hall]

The beauty is inside us all along. Yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

This is beautiful. Amazing things are happening. How would you describe your kind of off duty style? Like, when no one's looking at you, when you're just kind of. Yeah. Putting around upstate? What are we. Like, what's.

[Rebecca Hall]

What are we looking at exactly.

[Hannah Jackson]

What's the deal?

[Rebecca Hall]

We're looking at some crazy outfits, actually. Is the truth. It's the honest to goodness truth.

[Hannah Jackson]

What kind of crazy?

[Rebecca Hall]

I feel like, actually, if anything, Bailey sort of holds me, like, reins me back. Like, the truth is, like, if I'm.

[Podcast Host 4]

He's like, let's pump the brakes.

[Rebecca Hall]

No, I'm just like, the thing that you don't get to do on the red carpet as an actor or as a person who's engaged with the fashion world is, like, actually put together outfits. I don't think your stylist doesn't even get to do that. You know, you can't. Like, I'm gonna wear these pants, and I'm gonna wear this vintage top, and then I'm gonna pick this random bit of jewelry. And it's all different brands. You can't really do that. Which is something that actually kind of bugs me.

[Podcast Host 4]

Yeah, it bugs me too.

[Rebecca Hall]

Cause I really love doing that on a daily basis, even if no one is looking. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

That's how people get dressed.

[Rebecca Hall]

Y.

[Hannah Jackson]

And that's a fun creative.

[Rebecca Hall]

I find it very creative and fun. And so I will wear some fairly strange combinations of things. I really rely on myself to wake up and sort of just, you know, ask what I'm feeling and who I want to be today. You know, it's not. And it varies enormously. I'm not. And for a while, I thought that was terrible. Like, oh, I must be, like, have no style because I'm so changeable. But actually, I've just sort of, like, really sat into the reality of, like, actually, I like to play, and every day is different, and I don't know how I'm gonna be feeling. And today I might wanna dress a bit Minimalist. And tomorrow I'm gonna dress like, you know, the most extreme version of Helen and Bonham Carter. And that's fine.

[Hannah Jackson]

We love this. We love this.

[Rebecca Hall]

Who I love, by the way.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God. Queen.

[Rebecca Hall]

And I can't be clear, so. And that's, you know, that's. That's just a part of expression and being honest with yourself about that.

[Podcast Host 4]

Are there any pieces that you're saving for your daughter? I feel like that's really fun to have a child where you're like, that's for you.

[Hannah Jackson]

And is she into Chlo? Like, does she care?

[Rebecca Hall]

She does care. She cares in the sense that she loves. She's into color and combinations. And actually she's got like, like a K Pop demon hunter activity book for Christmas.

[Chloe Mel]

Adorable.

[Rebecca Hall]

And it had like, design your own jackets. Oh, wow. That's fun. Like the front and the back. And she spent like two hours yesterday doing it. And it was like, it was really good to the point that Morgan was like, should we just try and get this made?

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God. So fun. That's cool.

[Rebecca Hall]

But she doesn't. But she has yet to actually, like, make the link of that with actually getting dressed. Cause she's like a real comfort person. She's still at that age where it's like, if something's itchy or scratchy, like, get it off me. I only wear, like, very comfortable leggings and a long sleeve T shirt. Even if that's like, very stained. If it's soft, I'm living for it, girl.

[Podcast Host 4]

After or honestly, I'm like, yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

I mean, we all oscillate between these two extremes.

[Podcast Host 4]

Yeah, indeed.

[Rebecca Hall]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host 4]

Well, I mean, you're also, for those who don't know, Rebecca is also a very talented visual artist and painter. And you know, you guys just like, between you and Morgan, you have this insane, you know, range of artistic talent. How do you kind of like get into the zone to paint? Like, do you. Do you find that there's a time of day that you like? Is it like periods of time?

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, I mean, there might be if I had that kind of life, but it's kind of like when I can get the chance. It's. Yeah. Is my daughter in school? Is there nothing going on? Then I'll just start and I won't necessarily stop. So I don't have, like, schedules or anything like that. But when I do start, it's hard to get me out of it. Morgan kind of. Morgan does a little intake of breath when he sees me pick up a paintbrush because he's not really sure if I'll, like, emerge. And occasionally he's like, have you had a glass of water?

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God. When you started exhibiting your work, what was that like? Did that feel vulnerable or was that, like, exciting?

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, of course it felt vulnerable. It felt massively vulnerable. But it also felt like a huge relief, actually, because it felt sort of odd to. Not at a certain point, when you have something that's been a part of my life in different ways forever. I mean, the painting, like, specifically getting into painting was more recent, but drawing and sort of being visual in that way has been forever. So it was sort of like, oh, no, this makes sense that I should just, like, not keep it hidden.

[Hannah Jackson]

Sure. I mean, I'm curious as to how. I mean, these sort of different kinds of creativity. And certainly, like, you yourself, being, of course, an actor, also being a filmmaker and like, working on your own material, has having the experience of directing, do you think, informed the way that you approach work as an actor? Like the way that you, like, arrive on a set or kind of think about that job now?

[Rebecca Hall]

Absolutely, yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

And I think, like, everything. I think all the creative things that I do just inform each other. I don't really think of them as separate. Just watched an interview with David lynch recently where he's talking about painting and it felt so completely exactly what I feel about this. Oh, fun. That. I just want to quote him on it always, but I won't. But he was. I mean, I won't, because I won't remember the quote exactly, but he was sort of broadly talking about how. How, you know, painting has always existed as this thing which sort of just processes everything and gives him, like, a sort of a spatial time to be in a kind of dream state. That's creative.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Hall]

And I feel exactly the same way. Totally. I can't really. I sort of make sense of a lot of stuff just in the act of painting. It's not what I'm painting that can be completely irrelevant. It's just the sort of. That engagement.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah, yeah. No, I feel like it's so fun to be able to be a creative person operating in sort of different ways. And I feel like you've spoken about the fact that you were kind of like your father sort of hazarded against that, like, spreading herself too thin creatively and trying to do too many different things. But you're like, this is just what. This is the way that my creativity kind of exists.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah, it was sort of like I fought it for a minute because I assumed it Must be. I would be diluting everything and it would be not good. And. And then I was like, actually no, this is the fullest expression of myself is to do the things.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah. And they can kind of speak to each other.

[Rebecca Hall]

And they can speak to each other and they all make sense. And I do feel like I'm a better actor for all the other things. I really do.

[Hannah Jackson]

That's cool.

[Rebecca Hall]

And directing is just a. It's like the sort of. It's everything. It's, you know, it's music, it's visual, it's story, it's all the things.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah. Is there. I mean, we know that there is a project that you're kind of actively working on, developing critics sort of pooh pooh that like constant like reboots and sort of revivals. But some of those projects can be really a kind of valuable way of like reintroducing old works kind of into, I don't know, the kind of popular culture like I'm even thinking of like this summer. Like Spike Lee's highest to lowest was like kind of like an amazing way of revisiting like mid century Japanese cinema. Anyway, so cheers. If they're. Is like a project that you would like to like readapt. Like if there's an old. I mean, we've talked about your Betty Davis sort of fixation, but like, is there. Yeah. A piece of media from the past that you would like to like put your own spin on as a filmmaker?

[Rebecca Hall]

I feel like maybe it's a musical, funnily enough.

[Podcast Host 4]

Oh, love.

[Rebecca Hall]

I would like to direct a musical. I'd like to be in a. I mean, I just sort of kind of was Ira. Ira Saxtas made a musical.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, oh, right. Oh, right.

[Podcast Host 3]

Oh, yes.

[Rebecca Hall]

But I would like to direct a musical. I feel like, you know, I feel like sometimes I've always been quite obsessed with Bob Fosse as a filmmaker. All that jazz, I think is a masterpiece. And also his film of Cabaret is incredible.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh my God.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah. And sometimes I'm like, oh, it'd be nice to make another film of Cabaret. But then I'm like, but you cannot improve on that. That is tough.

[Podcast Host 4]

That is tough.

[Rebecca Hall]

You cannot improve on that. How can we? Well, it's just. It teaches you. Watch anything that he directs and it teaches you everything there is to know about timing and tempo in movies. It's like, it's just brilliant. And I think that's kind of something that. I'm very interested in the way that he moves.

[Hannah Jackson]

I'm thinking about his. From this moment on in Kiss Me Kate. Like, just the physicality, it's just like a crazy way.

[Rebecca Hall]

That's so funny you bring that up because I have such a thing with that. When I was a kid, there were like various different. Like, vhs. Vhs myself. Like, that was. I mean, this audience.

[Hannah Jackson]

VHS is.

[Rebecca Hall]

It's fine. I'm not. I was like. Even when I said that, I was like, I'm not pretending. I'm 25, but no one would believe me. And I'm also not doing that, nor would I ever. Anyway, there were. There was a VHS that was like taken off the television of that old weird Hollywood MGM documentary called that's Entertainment that has all the clips.

[Hannah Jackson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[Rebecca Hall]

And I would watch this, like, obsessively as a child, but mostly so I could fast forward to Bob Fosse coming through that arch in Kiss Me Kate and doing that slide across the floor, because I was like, who is that? And what is he doing?

[Hannah Jackson]

It's wild. It's so jazzy. It's so funky. It's so cool.

[Rebecca Hall]

Amazing.

[Hannah Jackson]

Everyone go to YouTube. Oh, my God.

[Podcast Host 4]

Anyway, you know, I love him as well.

[Rebecca Hall]

That little bit. What? The Little Prince.

[Podcast Host 4]

And the Little Prince. When he's a snake.

[Choma Nadi]

That's.

[Rebecca Hall]

Oh, yes. Oh, I don't even think I know that. The.

[Podcast Host 4]

The, like live action adaptation of the Little Prince. He plays the snake in the.

[Hannah Jackson]

He's like in the desert. Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host 4]

I mean, he's just like doing his little, like, kind of fluid.

[Hannah Jackson]

It's very.

[Podcast Host 4]

You are in for a treat.

[Rebecca Hall]

That's like Bob Fosse is a snake that make a.

[Podcast Host 4]

You just.

[Rebecca Hall]

Know exactly what it is.

[Hannah Jackson]

You already know.

[Podcast Host 4]

No need to watch.

[Rebecca Hall]

Yeah.

[Hannah Jackson]

Oh, my God.

[Rebecca Hall]

But without hands. It's confusing for a boss.

[Podcast Host 4]

She makes it work.

[Hannah Jackson]

I forgot that he was without. He was without hands.

[Rebecca Hall]

I'm just saying that it's challenging. It's like he was with hands. Any kind of forcy. Movement.

[Hannah Jackson]

It's so true.

[Rebecca Hall]

It's like take away balance. Bundy's hands. What are you doing? This is criminal.

[Hannah Jackson]

Might as well take away his hat. What are we talking about?

[Podcast Host 1]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host 4]

Thank you, Rebecca.

[Rebecca Hall]

Thank you. It was so much fun.

[Podcast Host 4]

It's really.

[Hannah Jackson]

It was. Again, everyone, tune in for the beauty.

[Rebecca Hall]

January, January, February, March, April, May. Just always tune in for. Always tune into the music.

[Hannah Jackson]

You never know when it's going to drop.

[Podcast Host 4]

Stay on your toes.

[Hannah Jackson]

February 21st on FX. Also watch false Verdant. Actually, while you're there. Just like to like, close the loop, like, just in case if you miss it the first time, it's all there.

[Chloe Mel]

The run through is produced by chelsea daniel, alex depalma and stephanie kariuki. It's engineered by pran bandy and james yost. It is mixed by mike kutchman.

[Hannah Jackson]

From prx.