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Podcast Summary: The Russell Brunson Show

Episode: Creating Your Perfect Listener Or Customer Avatar

Host: Russell Brunson
Date: August 24, 2017

Episode Theme & Purpose

In this episode, Russell Brunson explores the pivotal concept of building your “customer avatar”—the practice of defining your ideal listener or customer with meticulous detail. Broadcasting from his home office after a high-level affiliate mastermind event, Russell shares a standout moment from that gathering: an insightful guest appearance by John Lee Dumas (JLD) of Entrepreneur On Fire, who explains—better than anyone Russell’s ever seen—the process of precisely identifying and targeting a customer avatar. The episode offers actionable frameworks for entrepreneurs, podcasters, and creators who want to improve their marketing outcomes by narrowing and focusing their audience.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Background: Affiliate Mastermind Event (00:00–01:24)

Russell hosted his top 20 affiliates in Boise for the Expert Secrets book campaign.
The event was a hub for idea sharing, strategies, and deep-dive discussions among super-affiliates.
Russell sets the stage for sharing "the most valuable takeaways" in upcoming podcast episodes, with an emphasis on practical, shorter, idea-packed formats.

2. Spotlight on JLD: The Customer Avatar Challenge (01:25–02:46)

John Lee Dumas ("JLD"), top ClickFunnels affiliate and acclaimed marketer, took questions during a group Q&A.
Someone asked about building a podcast; JLD’s immediate reply: "Who is it for?"
He critiques vague descriptions ("business owner," "real estate investor") and stresses clarity.
Introducing the core issue: Success hinges on knowing exactly who your dream client or listener is.

3. JLD’s Avatar Masterclass: The “Jimmy” Breakdown (02:47–07:22)

JLD walks through his exact customer avatar—Jimmy—with vivid, granular detail:
- "My listener is, or my avatar is Jimmy. He's 37 years old. He has a wife and two kids, ages 3 to 5. He drives by himself to work every single day. It's a 25 minute commute..."
- Jimmy is unfulfilled at work, cherishes family time, and spends evenings reflecting on his dissatisfaction.
JLD’s method: He filters every show decision through the question, “What would Jimmy do?” (WWJD).
“That one answer...that's the way I gotta go.” (JLD, 05:18)

Why Such Specificity Matters

Clarity breeds impact: By knowing Jimmy’s pains, routines, and desires, every episode, CTA, and offer can speak directly to him.
Audience targeting: Knowing Jimmy means knowing which Facebook/LinkedIn groups he hangs out in, what ads would resonate, and what content to produce.
Easier decision-making: When in doubt, JLD defaults to what Jimmy would prefer.

Funnel Design Around the Avatar

JLD explains his podcast’s structure:
- Rotating calls-to-action (CTAs) in intros and outros, each tailored to Jimmy’s journey.
- Specific product pitches aligned to avatar's likely pain-points (e.g., The Freedom Journal for goal setting, Free Podcast Course for creators).
- CTAs are mapped to functioning sales/engagement funnels targeting Jimmy directly.

Action Steps for Listeners

Nail your avatar: “If you sit down and really say, hey, this is the one perfect listener of my podcast, then you're gonna know that person inside and out.”
Create 1-3 dedicated CTAs specifically appealing to that avatar—use these as intro and outro hooks to guide the listener into your ecosystem.
Every show element, content decision, and offer should be “for that avatar...everything changes from that point forward.” (JLD, ~06:30)

4. Russell’s Key Takeaway & Challenge to Listeners (07:29–End)

Russell is awed by JLD’s clarity and recommends all entrepreneurs develop their avatar with similar precision.
Advice: "If not, it's time to do your homework, stop the podcast and go think through that, because as soon as it becomes that tangible where you know who they are, everything else becomes easier." (Russell, 07:33)
Emphasizes that knowing your avatar transforms both product development and marketing.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Avatar Vagueness:
JLD (02:50):
"That's really vague. Like, perfect listener should just be that, that one individual that, like, you would see as like the perfect ideal client. Because once you've kind of made that, that step and that decision as a podcast host, everything changes."
Defining Jimmy:
JLD (03:09):
"My listener is, or my avatar is Jimmy. He's 37 years old. He has a wife and two kids, ages 3 to 5. He drives by himself to work every single day...gets to a cubicle at a job he hates for nine hours..."
Decision Filter:
JLD (05:18):
"Every question I have about the direction of my podcast, I go to my avatar and I say, WWJD. Like, what would Jimmy do? And, like, I know from that one answer that that's the way that I gotta go."
Why Specificity Wins:
JLD (~06:30):
"If you sit down and really just figure out who your perfect, one ideal listener is, everything changes from that point forward, and all the decisions you make are based off of that."
Russell’s Reflection:
Russell (07:29):
"If not, it's time to do your homework, stop the podcast and go think through that, because as soon as it becomes that tangible where you know who they are, everything else becomes easier."

Important Segment Timestamps

00:00 – Russell introduces the episode, event background, and affiliate mastermind context
01:25 – Russell sets up JLD’s avatar analogy, recounting the Q&A moment
02:47–07:22 – JLD’s full, detailed breakdown of building a customer avatar, plus actionable funnels and strategy
07:29–end – Russell summarizes and challenges listeners to hone their own avatars

Tone & Style

Russell’s tone is energetic, enthusiastic, and casual—recounting real-life stories and lessons as if coaching peers over coffee.
JLD is personable but direct, sharing wisdom from experience with a focus on practical application.

Takeaway

For anyone building a podcast, business, or community: Your success depends on how well you know your customer. Identify your “Jimmy”—the one person you want to serve—with as much depth and specificity as possible. Then, relentlessly tailor every decision, offer, and message to that avatar.

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[00:00]
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What's up, everybody? This is Russell Brunson. Welcome to the Marketing Secrets podcast. Today take you behind the scenes of our recent affiliate Mastermind. Talk about building out your customer avatar. So the big question is, how are entrepreneurs like us who didn't cheat and take on venture capital, were spending money from our own pockets? How do we market in a way that lets us get our products and our services and the things that we believe in out to the world and yet still remain profitable? That is the question and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Russell Brunson and welcome to Marketing Secrets. Alright, everyone. So this last week we did an affiliate event for my top 20 affiliates for the Expert Secrets book, which is really cool, made them all fly out here to Boise. We hung out, we shared ideas, we talked, and it was really, really cool. In fact, the next few episodes of the podcast, I'm actually gonna do right here, my home office. I'm here right now and I've got my notebook with a whole bunch of cool stuff and there are a whole bunch of really good takeaways that I think were valuable enough to share with you. We also happen to film the events. I'm gonna get Brandon on my team to grab some of those clips and plug them into here so you can actually see some of the footage of some of the ideas and the concepts I think are really, really important. I know the last few podcasts I've done have been some long ones, some like hour long, 90 minutes. And so I'm gonna get back to a shorter form and to share some of the really, really cool things. So first I wanna talk about is jld John Lee Dumas from Entrepreneur on Fire, who is, I think, the number one ClickFunnels affiliate right now. He's gonna be the first affiliate in ClickFunnels to make a million dollars himself. That's his goal and he's killing it. He's also probably one of the lowest maintenance, if not the lowest maintenance affiliates I've ever had. And partners like, he's just awesome, dude, and love him, love working with him and it's awesome. So he was at the event and what's cool is that we had him do some Q and A with the group. Somebody asked him, said, hey, I'm building a podcast and first thing, jail. They asked like, well, who's it for? And they're like, well, it's for this kind of person, this kind of person, this kind of person. He's like, there's your problem. He's like, you need to be able to identify exactly who your person is. And then he went to this, like, state where he just shared exactly who his dream customers dream client was. And I've never in the history of me doing this business, which is now 14 or 15 years, hurt someone more perfectly explain their customer avatar than JLD did at that moment. I'm so glad we got on film. So I'm going to play that clip for you right now so you can see exactly what he said. And as you're listening, I want you thinking through that, because that is how clear you have to be on exactly who your customer is. And that way you create your product, your podcast, your whatever it is you're doing, you match it to your customer. And that is the secret. So let me show you that clip right now.
[02:47]
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So who's your perfect listener? Our perfect listener would be a business owner or an entrepreneur or a real estate investor. So that's really vague. Like, perfect listener should just be that, that one individual that, like, you would see as like the perfect ideal client. Because once you've kind of made that, that step and that decision as a podcast host, everything changes. So, like, for me, when I was trying to figure out, like, what I wanted Entrepreneur on Fire to be, I was overwhelmed because it was really hard for me to kind of find what that path that I wanted to take my listeners on. And when I really sat down and said, okay, my listener is, or my avatar is Jimmy. He's 37 years old. He has a wife and two kids, ages 3 to 5. He drives by himself to work every single day. It's a 25 minute commute to work. He gets to a cubicle at a job he hates for nine hours. You know, gets done with his job, drives home. It's a 35 minute commute home because he gets stuck in a little bit of traffic, gets home, he hangs out with his kids, has dinner with his family, puts his kids to bed, hangs out with his wife. And then he has a little Jimmy pity party at the end of every single night because he's sitting on the couch saying, why do I spend 90% of my waking hours doing things I don't enjoy doing? Commuting to a job. I don't like being at a job, I don't like commuting home. And only 10% of my waking hours doing things that I love, like spending time with my kids and my family. And Jimmy is my avatar. Like, he's the person that, as he's driving to work, should be listening to Entrepreneur on Fire so that when my guest is sharing their worst entrepreneurial moments, he can understand that it's okay to fail. And, like, that you can learn lessons from failure. And that when he's driving home and my guest talks about their aha moment, he can talk about how you take an aha moment and turn it into success. And then instead of having that pity party at night, you know, by himself on a couch, he can listen to the lightning round, where my guests are sharing their best advice they've ever had, their favorite book, their favorite resource, and so he can start to put together the pieces of the puzzle. And so for me now, whenever I come up to any question I have about the direction of my podcast, I go to my avatar and I say, wwjd. Like, what would Jimmy do? And, like, I know from that one answer that that's the way that I gotta go. So if you sit down and you really say, hey, this is the one perfect listener of my podcast, then you're gonna know that person inside. Now you're gonna know where that person hangs out, what Facebook groups they're in, what LinkedIn groups they're in, like, how to advertise to them. Like, what lead magnet is gonna be appealing to them on Facebook that's gonna get them to download it and then be able to. To be promoted to your show. And again, this is your ideal, perfect client. Like, you can probably picture right now this person that whenever he sits down in front of you, you're just like, dude, you're like my favorite client. And he's like, I know I'm your favorite client, and that's the person that you want to be drawing in. So if you sit down and really just figure out who your perfect, one ideal listener is, everything changes from that point forward, and all the decisions you make are based off of that. And so every piece of content you make for your podcast is speaking to that avatar, that one person. Every call to action you give and every intro and every call to action and every outro is for a specific purpose. So, for instance, in my podcast, Entrepreneur on Fire, you'll hear me. I have seven rotating calls to action on my intros and outros. One's going to say, hey, this is Johnny Dumas of Entrepreneur on Fire, where I interview the world's most successful entrepreneur seven days a week. By the way, if you're struggling with a goal right now, you should check out the Freedom Journal, because I teach you how to accomplish your number one goal in 100 days. So visit the freedomjournal.com. and that will be one call to action that will bring people down one specific funnel that will result in them purchasing my journal, the freedom Journal, for $39. And then I have the call to action in my outro that says, hey, guys, hope you enjoyed the chat with Russell today. He rocked the mic as always. Oh, by the way, if you're thinking about creating your own course, your own podcast, I have a free course called Free Podcast Course that will teach you how to create, grow, and monetize your own podcast in 15 days. And so then they'll go to that URL, they'll sign up for the free podcasting course, which will lead them to my free masterclass, which I do every single every two weeks, which is live. And then that masterclass will lead to me pitching them podcasters paradise, which is what we have for our premium podcasting community. So every single call to action I have is for Jimmy to take them into one of my seven or eight functioning funnels that I have to result in some kind of revenue being generated at the end. So I think that the steps you can and should take is really nail your avatar, understand who that person is as an individual, and then start creating 1, 2, 3 calls to action that you're using in your intros, in your outros that are getting them into the beginning part of a funnel that's going to result in your ideal action, which might be a phone call, which might be investing their first dollar with your company, whatever that result is, but that's the funnel you're taking them in. Does that make sense?
[07:29]
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I hope you guys love that. It was like, as he was talking, I was like, trying to take notes. I'm like, ah, good, we got a video. So it's pretty powerful. And I want to make sure you guys all know your customer avatar that clear as well. If not, it's time to do your homework, stop the podcast and go think through that, because as soon as it becomes that tangible where you know who they are, everything else becomes easier. So that said, thanks you guys so much for listening and we're. We'll see you on next week's episode of the Marketing Secrets podcast. Would you like to see behind the scenes of what we're actually doing each day to grow our company? If so, then go subscribe to our free behind the scenes reality TV show at www.funnelhacker.tv.