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Subconscious Resistance: Inside the Belief Coding Process with Jessica Cunningham | #Success - Ep. 31
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Russell Brunson
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Jessica
October.
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Russell Brunson
In October I went out to event and met her out there and then started following her Instagram and then heard her stories and she talks about a lot of similar things I geek out on and but she has a different direction, different way. She kind of does thinks about some of them so I personally just wanted to pick her brain. Thought it'd be fun to do it on.
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Jessica
Got the nerves wrong now.
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Russell Brunson
Yeah. So don't be nervous but it's gonna be really fun. Same is Jessica and glad to have you here. Thanks for coming to Boise and hanging out for the for the day.
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Jessica
I love it honestly. Thanks for being here as soon as you've landed, we're like, we love Boise. This place is amazing. And it does great coffee too.
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Russell Brunson
Oh, yeah, we love it here. We used to do the events during the wintertime, but it was really cold and people never wanted to come back.
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Jessica
I can imagine.
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Russell Brunson
Now we time it right when the weather's perfect, so everyone thinks it's just flawless all the time. Great fun. It works perfectly. All right, so to get started, tell us some of your backstory. Like, how did you get into this. This world that you're in now?
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Jessica
Yes, the subconscious. Bit of a dark story, Russell, but I'll start from the beginning. I've done a lot of healing around it. So essentially what I do, I work with the subconscious and our unconscious thoughts, reprogram my mind and everything like that. However, I fell into it totally by accident. So really I was the exception to the rule. And somebody like me, you wouldn't stereotypically put as somebody who's doing the work that I'm doing. But so what happens? When is it? Do you mean? You tell your story so many times, you're like, I forgot my own story?
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Russell Brunson
Yeah. Where'd I start?
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Jessica
So back in 1987, I was born in Burnley. Joking. So a few years ago, essentially, I was on a television show called the Apprentice. Although my Lord Sugar is not the president right now.
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Russell Brunson
Who's the Apprentice over there?
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Jessica
He is guy called Lord Sugar. Alan Sugar. Okay, so sugs and. Yeah, so I was on the Apprentice, but just before I went to the Apprentice, I'd never wrote a bloody business plan in my life. So I was under so much pressure, so much stress and tension. Anyway, two weeks before I was about to go on this bloody program, memories of childhood abuse started to surface. I was like, what the hell? And I don't know if any of your listeners have experienced that sort of stuff, but it's just you can't comprehend how you can forget something so big. Anyway, two weeks after I'm on the Apprentice and I'm putting this in a box to deal with it later, my little song was Put it in a box to deal with it later. Worst thing you could possibly do, put that stuff in a box. Came off the Apprentice, and literally within the space of a year had childhood memories come up of abuse. Then my three girls, they lost their biological father to suicide. And then a month after that happened, me and my fiance, we had a miscarriage.
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Russell Brunson
So all sorts of stuff.
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Jessica
Yeah, yeah. Like literally, when you talk about going through the dark night of the soul, I was like, what the hell I could not. I just. I just could not comprehend how all of that stuff could happen to me in the space of a year. And I fell into this real sort of victim mentality where I just felt really sad and really, I just couldn't believe it happened to me. Anyway, fast forward.
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Russell Brunson
How many years ago was that, by the way?
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Jessica
That was seven years. Eight years ago. Yeah. So, yeah, eight years. But again, like, I feel totally okay talking about it now because I've. I understand how the mind works and I truly, truly believe that everything that I've gone through was to give me this purpose, to grow belief coding. Because belief coding, it's helped, like hundreds of thousands of people overcome anxiety, depression. And we've just done some scientific trials where we've worked with the lady who had dementia, and after one session, she hasn't got dementia. We're going to be in the British Medical Journal, and that's two to three months. So it's. It's freaking brilliant. It's like huge. But what really kind of took me on my journey was when my ex partner passed away. I had three little girls, and because I kind of understood about the mind, I had to make sure that they would be okay. So led me on a mad journey to train in absolutely everything. We had period studies, and from that belief coding was born, which is amazing and life changing.
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Russell Brunson
So cool. And then how'd you do on the Apprentice?
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Jessica
Oh, came forth. Got fired though dinner. But all for a bigger plan. I wouldn't be sat here today with you, Russell.
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Russell Brunson
Good thing you got fired.
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Jessica
I'd high five you, but I can't.
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Russell Brunson
Those who can't see right now, I've got two broken arms. I'm casting up, but we'll high five next time you're out. That's. That's such a. That's such an interesting story. And, and yeah, that it's interesting that you were pursuing something and that's when those things started bubbling up for you. I think a lot of times people, they go through life where if they're not, you know, I think a lot of times we numb ourselves, right? We're numb to all this stuff and we forget about things. And then it's when you step up, a lot of times those things are bubbling back out and they start showing up and you're like, where's all these. Like, for me, it's like whenever I go after something big, like all these other weird things in my life show up. Like, what is happening? Like, it has to make any sense, you know?
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Jessica
Yeah, this is the thing, right? So from my understanding and from working with people every time you say and you'll have had this, right? When people join your programs, you know the strategy, you know your stuff. You're a freaking God at the stuff you do. You're a guru genius. Right? You can put that in there.
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Russell Brunson
Thank you.
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Jessica
But what happens is, and I'm imagining I've had this in my programs, people, they come for the reason, they know what they want. And then everything falls apart. Because what happens, the subconscious will start to stack positive beliefs and negative beliefs. And usually the negative beliefs override. And as you know, you know, we run away from pain, we run towards pleasure. So our goal that we want ends up becoming unconsciously really, really painful for us. So what belief coding does, it works with that big goal. It uncovers all the unconscious beliefs. You can reframe them from being negative to positive. So then you're naturally drawn to go towards your goal, but it has to fall apart because you, you're entering a new identity which your subconscious know if you can survive that identity. And primarily it just wants to keep you alive. And it does that in that way that we'd like. Yeah, Y.
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Russell Brunson
And it all bubbles up right when we least want it.
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Jessica
Yeah, totally.
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Russell Brunson
Like, so interesting. Okay, so I want you to walk through your belief coding. And is this trademark blue coding?
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Jessica
Yeah, trademark, yeah, of course it is believe code. And we've just changed it to belief coding cognitive rewiring, because we rewire cognitively.
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Russell Brunson
Very cool. So walking back, what does that, what does it look like?
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Jessica
Like, yeah. So essentially we can work with absolutely any discomfort or goal that client has, because every problem solution comes from your subconscious. So for example, we might have somebody that comes and they have daily anx. So we look at daily anxiety as a discomfort. And I'll talk through the discomforts first and I'll go through the process. Or you might have somebody who wants to do, I don't know, the first hundred thousand pound month or make the first grand or whatever it is, or you might even have somebody that comes with back pain. Right. So a physical pain, we work that as a discomfort. And then what we do is your subconscious knows why you have that discomfort. It knows exactly what is creating it and what benefits it. So we work with the discomfort. Then we do something called the human compass, which is muscle testing. We ask a series of questions that brings up a memory or a felt sense. We then work with the memory or the felt sense because that's part of the subconscious and essentially we go back to an experience where you didn't have your needs met, and we allow that part of you to have every need met in that moment. And then we're able to change the belief, or we essentially code in. Because whatever your code is that's in your brain runs the program of the subconscious which then creates the action. So we're like, right, what, what code can we code in here? Which will run the program, which will make us do the action? And that's it.
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Russell Brunson
Interesting.
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Jessica
Or you come up with a goal. So again, we have a lot of people who come because they want to overcome trauma. But I'll say it to them. You, if you go looking for every bad thing that's happened to you, you don't even know what's connected to what things. So you can have somebody who feels anxious, and then they might be like, oh, I feel anxious because this bad thing that happened to me. They talk about the bad thing, then they feel worse, but they haven't healed it. Whereas actually the anxiety makes stem from being four years old and not being invited to a party. Something literally as simple as that. And then we come up with a goal. So my goal, joining here, I want to do my first 10 million pound year.
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Advertiser 1
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Jessica
But classically, since I've joined, it's all falling apart. I've got all the internal beliefs I need to work with.
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Russell Brunson
It's all bubbling up.
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Jessica
Yeah, it is. Although I'm very optimistic with this month. But essentially we work with the goal. And then you ask yourself every single day, is there something I need to work on to reach this goal? And then memories come up and you change the belief. So you're getting rid of the resistance. It is amazing.
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Russell Brunson
That's interesting. So I'm just trying to picture, because I'm not one of your clients yet, but with your clients, like so going through the process, let's just say, yeah, let's say somebody does that, they want, they want to go, they want to make their first million dollar a month. Walk us through the process.
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Jessica
Like, okay, then, so what we do, then we do the program called the 100 days of belief coding, or the 30 days belief coding. You set the goal, which is the intention. So every time you set an intention, the negative beliefs will come up which will over trump the positive beliefs. So every single day we look at, okay, so how does not having this goal affect you? How does it make you feel? We work the emotions and then.
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Russell Brunson
So you send them actually sitting down. Are they writing them out or they.
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Jessica
Think you can do so there's two ways. So I've created a technique called the alignment method, which I'm actually going to do when I pitch in there. Essentially you write a goal and then, and actually if any of you are listening to this, like get a pen and paper now and I'll do it now with your listeners. So write your goal and then underneath your goal, write as many actions that you know you need to take to get to that goal. Because most people, they know what they need to do, but they don't do it. And there's a reason they don't do it. The resistance is there, but they don't realize it's the resistance. Then underneath that, when you've got all the actions, then you ask, okay, what is it that you're gonna get when you reach the goal? What is it that you want from having that goal? So if it's the million pound month, they might want a new house, they might want a car, they might want more holidays, whatever it is, right? So what you end up having then is a list of actions and a list of the things they believe they're going to have once they reach the goal. But this is the interesting thing, it doesn't benefit them to take the action or have the goal. So then you ask, what is the benefit of not taking the action? And the unconscious belief comes up, what's the benefit of not having what you want? And the unconscious belief comes up. Each unconscious belief will go back to a past negative experience where they didn't have their needs met. You change the past experience, encoding a new beliefs, then you take the action and it becomes safe you to get the thing you want.
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Russell Brunson
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Jessica
Yeah.
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Russell Brunson
So give us an example of something like that.
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Jessica
Okay then. So my 10 million pound month again, I've just literally I just did a launch, one of the worst launches I've ever done. I was like what the. Do any of the things I normally do, what is going on with me? But essentially one of the big goals was in order for me to reach successful, I have to lose something. So at the height of my success eight years ago, I was doing all right. I was on the Apprentice, I was on the Coffee Apprentice doing all right. Had like the, the most amount of money. I had it up until that point. But then Alistair died so. And then from Alice to dying, belief coding was born and I held on to a lot of guilt and shame to do with Alistair passing away. But if you can imagine, my subconscious believes in order to gain something big, you've got to lose something really important because of the connection. Belief coding was only born because Alice passed away on a search to make sure my three girls would be okay. So I had shame attached to it. Another one is I'm trying to grow. I mean, I hope my team are not listening to this and I'm sorry if you have changed but another one was when you were talking on stage I was like, right, why have I not done the same sort of things I wanted to do? Like what's going on if I don't make money, what do I have to get rid of my team? Right? So if I have to get rid of my team, I have an easier life. So. And I was totally unaware of that because my team, consciously and now subconsciously I've called it in, they make my life easier. But I had an unconscious belief of, well, if I have a team, it's hassle, it's this, it's that. So I'm never going to really push myself or take the right action or think the right thoughts because my undercurrent is do you really want this team you get? Right?
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Russell Brunson
Yeah.
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Jessica
Are you getting me? Russell?
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Russell Brunson
You can't believe co I 100% cuz I, I'm the same way. Like when I try to sell somebody something, I think about that like what is the, what's the belief? Because consciously they want, I want to win the state, I want to win the award, I want to do the thing, whatever. Right. But then you're right. There's always like this, the subconscious thing that's holding them back that they're not aware of. And the people have success. Don't have those does they don't have the subconsciously holding back on that thing. Right. There's always something but that thing. And then also like why does that person have success and, and why would they really get so fast and I'm not. And it's like they had the same training, same coaching, same everything. It's like because there's some anchor holding you back that you're not aware of. Right. I think about that a lot with. I mentioned it during the opening session. Right. Like my back end coaching. Every time we sold more people it created more headaches. I like started like being bad at selling stuff for a while because like I don't want to sell anymore. I didn't, I didn't even know I was doing that until, until you see the person. Yeah, yeah. I have to fix this part of it. And then we fix that. Well, no longer do I think selling stuff equals pain. Now it's like selling stuff equals free money. Then it's like it now becomes really easy to sell stuff.
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Jessica
Yeah, totally. I don't think that most people, they don't get it. Like you have the strategy and if you have the beliefs, like success is inevitable, like the two things. Whereas. But most people, they don't even realize because it feels real. The things that they want, they think they'll get them by doing the thing but actually if it's going to create more pain, they'll naturally repel it. And even the way like so if you have an experience where you felt shame or embarrassment or sadness or frustration and you don't like process that or heal that, that's the undercurrent. So all of your thoughts are going to be what shameful like or like tinted with shame, tinted with frustration. So your actions are going to replicate that thought process. Yeah, I love it. I love the subconscious. It's amazing, isn't it?
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Russell Brunson
Yeah. So how do people. What's the best way? Because my biggest thing is a lot of times people don't know those things are there. Right. What's the best way to figure out where someone has the aha of like, oh, this is my subconscious beliefs. Hold me back. All right, that's it. Go to master classes.
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Jessica
You can find me at. No, the thing is, right, so there's a really simple technique that you can do just to understand if you are. If you've got pain or pleasure associated, the thing that you want. So I do this on my master class. I get my clients to close their eyes and just imagine. Imagine the thing that they want right in front of the face. And then I say, okay, so just now it's right for your face almost. You can just almost touch it. Okay. But then hang on a minute, you look to the left and somebody else has got the thing you want. And then you look to the right and somebody else. And you look in front of you and somebody else has got that thing. Has that thing gone further away from. From you or is it closer? And the people like, oh, my God, it's further away, it's further away. It feels like it's getting further. I know then that they've attached, like, frustration, jealousy, envy to the thing that they want. So their subconscious believes, oh, I'm not going to give him that million pound month, that million pound year, because they're going to feel more envy, more jealousy. So they repel it. Whereas the people who feel it coming closer to them, they're like, oh, my God, this is amazing, that person's got it. Which means I'm gonna get it. So they've attached joy to the thing. So that's just a simple technique. You can see if you're aligned with it.
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Russell Brunson
Interesting. Do you have other ones like that or is that.
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Jessica
That I've got giving them all away. Let's go to my master class, Russell.
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Russell Brunson
All right. I watch the master class.
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Jessica
You got me.
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Russell Brunson
I'm ready. Okay. So now that you figure out the subconscious belief that you're struggling with, you said it's tied to something happened earlier where they weren't getting their needs met. Is it hard for people to tie the subconscious belief back to the need, like to be able to figure out when it happened?
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Jessica
No. So it's. And also what you have to. So say if it's a. We have broad discomforts and specific discomforts. So a broad discomfort would be like anxiety, because people have anxiety checking the emails, you know, like walking the dogs. Well, maybe not walking the dogs, actually checking their emails. There's lots of different triggers to do with anxiety. So what we do is we'd work with each individual trigger so that you can literally measure, okay, so you had anxiety, checking your emails, you've done a belief coding session, you no longer have that anxiety. You had anxiety, you know, speaking to your child's teacher, you no longer have that anxiety, so you can measure it. Whereas if we work on something specific, it always, like if you looked on a fear of flight in general, that would go back to a specific experience. When you get to the specific experience, there might be one or two other experiences created around it. There may not be, but essentially when you get to, to the actual experience that created the bulk of that belief, where the bulk of the emotion was felt and you clear it, it's instant transformation. And when we did it, I told you about my dementia client, you mentioned something about dementia. Oh my God, this is amazing. Right? So we had a lady, and we've just done our scientific trials to do with physical pain, but also like blocks. And one of the ladies, Mary Harvey, she had early onset dementia. She had one 45 minute session and her dementia is completely gone because it went back to the experiences she didn't want to remember. Okay. And the words that we use as well, the language that we use is so hypnotic. So when people say I don't want to see that, I don't want to see that, that directly impacts their eyesight. So their eyesight literally gets worse.
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Russell Brunson
Yeah. That's interesting. It reminds me of a story Tony Robbins talked about when he was. There was a client he was working lose who'd stuttered since he was like 10 years old. And guy's like 30 or 40 or something like that. And Tony came up and within like 10 minutes got rid of his stuttering for life. And it was based on a very similar thing where like there was some protection he was using the, the stuttering for, and they were able to figure it out and then rewrite it and then, then studying one way overnight, which he'd had people for decades trying to figure out how to overcome it.
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Jessica
So that's what we do in belief coding. So literally we've worked on back pain, arthritis. Anything you can think on, we've literally worked on. Because it always, if you can imagine from the day you're born, your subconscious learns to navigate the way of the world by feelings and emotions. So when we felt fear when we were first created, it's because there's a tiger there. Whereas now we feel fear, but we attach it to the wrong things. But even like, so I had back pain and my back pop out and I'd A wonky spine. But that was connected to grief. And again because I held a lot of blame to do with my ex partner, I believed, well, if my girls are in pain, I need to be in pain. So my back would go. Honestly, it's fascinating but interesting. Yeah.
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Russell Brunson
Do you think most people have chronic pains tied to something like that?
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Jessica
100. So we had, we had, we did a study actually with two people who had fibromyalgia classes clinically disabled. And within eight sessions the bloods had changed and they're no longer classed as clinically disabled. And then they went on to write a book which became an Amazon bestseller called From Disabled to Enabled. So there's only I personally from what I've experienced and from what we've seen doing our trials, everything stems back from the subconscious believing is keeping that individual safe. So it presents pain in the body.
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Russell Brunson
Interesting. To protect you.
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Jessica
Yeah. Because it believes it's protected from further pain.
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Russell Brunson
So based on what you know about me right now, do you think that me ripping out both my biceps is a subconscious?
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Jessica
I think we could have avoided this all over us. I'm gonna be honest. Yeah.
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Russell Brunson
What is my, what's my false belief? I gotta recode. What is it? There's got to be something.
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Jessica
Do you know what though? So we are actually doing some studies in our research group to do with bionic arms, but we are doing something post op. So essentially what you could code in is that your recovery time can be quicker because you can literally talk directly to your body and your cells. Because again you put that code in, your body has to respond. So what will naturally happen is you'll naturally find yourselves being in alignment to make your muscles repair quicker. So it could be, you know, more physio or eating the right foods or whatever. But also your body is interchangeable. So literally just by talking to yourselves and like giving yourself permission to heal quicker, it will. But I would say is as well though from more of like a sort of a God spiritual perspective. What is the thing it's stopping you from doing? Because that's what the subconscious has manifested for you.
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Russell Brunson
I, I don't know the answer. But what was interesting, I told my wife this was weird because normally I'm always doing stuff like I'm just doing, doing, doing and this happened and like I can't do anything now. I just, I feel useless. I am standing there and it was weird because the other day like there's a big problem we were trying to solve in the company and usually I'd go like, try to do stuff to fix it. And I couldn't. And so I was, like sat there and part of me is like, I want to numb my brain. I'm going to watch YouTube or something. I'm like, no, I got to think. So I turned everything off and I sat there and it was like, it was a really complex problem, like, and within 15 minutes, I was like, oh, my gosh, there's the answer. And so, like, I'm like, wondering if this is, like, my body trying to stop me so I can actually get back to thinking again as opposed to just racing and doing and doing, you know? So I don't know.
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Jessica
I think it is. And you know why I say that? Because that is the first thing that's come from your mind. So again, every time you ask yourself a specific question, your brain has to search for a specific answer.
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Russell Brunson
My brain's like, it's going to rip both his biceps out. That'll force him to listen as I tried to tell him something.
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Jessica
It worked.
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Russell Brunson
It did.
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Jessica
Job done. Yeah.
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Russell Brunson
Hopefully it's a simpler way to get my attention next time. Besides this.
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Jessica
It might be your legs.
- [23:47]
Russell Brunson
Yeah, I'm joking. I'll be a little nub walking around, rolling around my team just rolling me down the hill. It'll be awesome.
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Jessica
But imagine all the thinking time.
- [23:56]
Russell Brunson
Yes.
- [23:57]
Jessica
Total clarity.
- [23:58]
Russell Brunson
It'd be awesome.
- [24:02]
Jessica
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- [24:27]
Russell Brunson
You know that feeling when someone shows up for you just when you need it most? That's what Uber is all about. Not just a ride or dinner at your door. It's how Uber helps you show up for the moments that matter. Because showing up can turn a tough day around, make a good one even better. Whatever it is, big or small, Uber is on the way, so you can be on yours. Uber on our way. Okay, so. So. First time we met in London, I just remember because, like that night I watched your Instagram or something and you used you. You're like, I need to do a bleed coding session. And I was like, what is she talking about? Because I didn't really know, right? But. But so I. I want people to understand because this isn't something you're doing once, right? This is something even for yourself. And all the time, like what's, what's it look like when someone understands your frameworks and how they, how they work.
- [25:17]
Jessica
Like they can achieve anything. Because your subconscious can make you rich, poor, happy, sad, in pain or not in pain. So again, I think a lot of the time as well, it's like if you want to be successful in anything, it's like, it's not just a one hit wonder. It's the daily. It's the daily stuff, you know, it's the small. The small things. And for me, like, I want to see how far I can go. I want to see how far I can reach my full potential. I want to see, you know, what I'm capable of. But this version of Jessica is not the version of Jessica that I want to become. And the only way I can become that person is by understanding what is it that's keeping me here, anchored here, you know, what do I need to let go of with love in order to rise? And I think with everyone who's listening to this, you know, we have one life. You know, it's so like, that's it. We literally have one if we have a life. So why would you not want to see what you are capable of if it brings you joy, love, happiness, and everything in between? I've realized I've not answered your question there, have I?
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Russell Brunson
It makes sense why you care enough to do it, you know, but it's like, I think sometimes you're probably here for little things and sometimes it's a lot bigger things. Right?
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Jessica
Yeah, totally. Sorry. Yeah. So again, it's like now, the 10 million year. So I'm belief coding every single day to get that. I mean, I'm going for that, Russell. I'm in there. Whereas, like, sometimes I wanted to get my ears pierced for the second time, right? And I was like, why have I not got them done? And I'd been twice to get them done. And then I chickened out, right? And I was like, oh, God. I was like, I could do a belief coding session. So it literally took me five minutes. I went back to an experience where I was younger, had me pierced, and I got an infection the day after when I got my ears pierced. So it can work for something super insignificant like that or depression, you know, something really daft and silly, or, you know, dementia, because everything stems from your unconscious. And what's really interesting, a lot of my clients still come to me because they believe they are broken. So they've tried everything and nothing works. The reason why nothing has worked before is because of that underlying Unconscious belief that I am broken. So what is the program that has to play? I'm broken. So whatever they try, it won't work until they change the unconscious belief.
- [27:13]
Russell Brunson
And then everything works, then all fits back together. So fascinating how our brains work and how it's like a. It's like a prison if we're not careful. Or it can be the greatest thing in the world. You know what I mean? And we're locked inside of our, our own mind. So when you do this, kind of the last step in the process, like when you do find the thing and you find again the, the, the experience that happened, they created the belief, right? I know when I'm doing, I'm. When I'm using subconscious, When I'm selling subconsciously, right? I'm trying to figure out, like, the story someone has, and I'm retelling a story and trying to, trying to create a better version of the story that they'll believe over their other one, right? And if I can get them. If I can get them to believe my story over their story, a lot of times it'll replace it. And then they're more likely to buy. They're more likely to actually do what they're doing. I'm curious, is that similar to what you're doing with somebody's. Like they, they have this false belief and you're. You're rewriting it with them or you're trying to tell a new story or what does that last step look like, essentially?
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Jessica
So when you. So, so the first part of the process is we understand what is the result that they want. So then when we actually go into the process, the last step is we code in that new experience what they want. But essentially, when you work in the subconscious, you. You just need to have its needs met at every step of the process to be able to have the new belief actually code into their subconscious. So the end part of it really is if you've healed every part of it, they've had the needs met, they feel loved, they feel safe, they feel seen, they feel everything in between that they needed in that moment. And the, the belief changes. But what's even more amazing is it's the ripple effect. You know, if you've had some. If someone's had a fear of flying for 20 years and you remove that fear of flying, it also removes a lot of fear out of their system. So they show up different. You know, it is phenomenal.
- [28:48]
Russell Brunson
Yeah. So how do you do. I mean, I know this is your system, your process, my secret. Russell what does it look like? Give me, give me a glimpse. Like, is it, you know, because let's say that's the, that's the one. They've been struggling with this thing for their whole life. They're afraid of flying. Like, like, how do you, how do you fulfill their needs? They, they fighting back. They were scared.
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Jessica
We don't five years old. So, yeah, so basically everything is client led and then what we call the reflection. Sorry, what we call the subconscious is the reflection. So you'd be the client I'm talking to. But then when you go into the memory, you. I mean, you can't sit like this, but you should be sat like this.
- [29:21]
Russell Brunson
I can't bend my arms. I'm stuck. This is never going to work for me.
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Jessica
But essentially then I'm t. Talking directly to the client's subconscious and then we allow the subconscious to answer, so we don't project and we use really clean language. Whereas, you know. Yeah, the cleaner the language, the easier it is to code in. Whereas a lot of the time when you work with coaches, like, and I just want to step into my true authentic self. Whereas really the terminology we'd use is I just, I just want someone to see me, you know, so it's using clean languages. There's lots of different moving parts to it. But one thing I've discovered is I've done a lot of stuff and belief coding for me is the thing that fixes everything because there's a solution with every problem that may pop up, which other techniques I haven't discovered has.
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Russell Brunson
Yeah, interesting. So most, most people. Are you guys doing them as sessions or can people do these on them? On themselves?
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Jessica
Yes, on themselves. So we teach people how to self facilitate, then we teach people how to do onetoone. And then I've just launched a group program where people can do one to many, which is really cool.
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Russell Brunson
Yeah, that's really cool. Help you help more people at a time. That's so cool. And then on the business side, we'll go there for a little bit before we kind of wrap it. Like, when did you turn this into a business from something you were figuring out, learning and doing to. This is now your business.
- [30:36]
Jessica
Oh, God. To be fair. So when. So when Max died, I took a year off work, like embodied absolutely everything. And then when I returned back to work, this is actually when I got into your stuff. I've got a picture, actually, I'll find it. And it's literally me in the garden, like, like figuring out all these, like, secrets and everything. Like, after reading the book, I was like, oh. And literally, what I found was I went back to work as a business coach. I'm just teaching people how to make money from not doing any ad spend. And, man, I feel so sorry for those clients now. Like, that is a hard slack. But I started to pull bits of, like, bits of what I'd learned and bits of a technique and a process together. And then my clients who use those techniques, they would get better results because they had more confidence. They show up different. They believed in what I was saying. They believed in themselves. So of course they're gonna have better results. And then I thought, right, and I'll go rapping then. Oh, God, yeah. And then I had a little voice in my head saying, focus on transformation only. Right. And I truly believe that this is a core, something far greater than me because it does not make sense. And this voice that. Focus on transformation. Focus on transformation. But I felt scared. So it took me a full year to actually launch Belief Code in. And then the message was like, focus on transformation. And I launched it, and then, yeah, the rest is history. But it's been the best thing I've ever done, and literally, it's helped hundreds of thousands of people, which is amazing.
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Russell Brunson
So cool. Someone wants to go deeper with you. Where's the best place to go?
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Jessica
And I would go on to my Instagram at Belief code at Belief Underscore coding. That's plug. Thanks, Russell.
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Russell Brunson
Yeah, there's the plug. There's the plug. They can go watch the master classes and everything. It's all there. Okay. Now, if you were to go on the Apprentice again.
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Jessica
Yeah.
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Russell Brunson
And all your belief coding is all fixed up, how would you win? Would it be.
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Jessica
I want to win. Oh, my God. 250. No way. I'm going for 10 mil.
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Russell Brunson
No, they get. They.
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Jessica
250 grand. Yeah.
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Russell Brunson
Okay. Is this still on in. Yeah, Canceled way a long time ago back in America. We haven't watched it in, like, 10 years, so I don't know. I can't remember how it worked.
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Jessica
Every year. Every year it's on. But the winner, they get 250,000 pounds, and then they are Lord Sugar's business partner. But, man, no, I don't think I could be his. I don't think he. I don't think he'd like me much.
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Russell Brunson
What does he do? I don't know anything about him.
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Jessica
He's a. He's got Amstrad. He's got Amstrad. So he does lots of different things, but he's like, A big ad space and tech and things like that.
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Russell Brunson
Okay.
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Jessica
But yeah, he's super scary. Like, I wish I believe got him back. Then I'd go into the boardroom, like just sweating profusely. Like, not today, sugar.
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Russell Brunson
I've had a couple friends who were on the Apprentice version we had here and stuff and it's just fun hearing their stories about. Yeah, same thing. Especially like back then when it was brand. Like one of my friends on season one when Trump was there and it was so scary for her and everything. And so it's, it's fun hearing the stories of, of, of the aftermath. So anyway, well, awesome. Glad you're here, Boise. Thanks for coming, hanging out, being part of the inner circle and sharing and I hope people, you know, it's interesting in my world because most people come to me because they're trying to figure out marketing or business and the reality is most of them just need to fix their mindset. Like that's, that's usually the bigger problem. Like actually building a funnel driving traffic crane. Like all those things aren't that difficult when they're not stuck.
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Jessica
I think you're selling yourself short there. You are literally a genius, so.
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Russell Brunson
Well, thank you, I'll take that.
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Jessica
But on a serious note though, like, your stuff, so the first time I met Russell, I burst into tears trying to tell him that his stuff had changed my life and my business. But actually, the stuff that you teach in your books, you teach in your webinars, you teach your trainers, has legitimately transformed my life, like, and my business. And we for one, would not be having the impact that we're having if it wasn't for your teachings.
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Russell Brunson
Yeah, well, thank you. It means the world to me, so I appreciate that. All right, you're off the show. Cancel this episode. Just kidding. Well, I appreciate you. Thanks for hanging out and at Beliefcoding.
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Jessica
Yeah, Boom.
- [34:07]
Russell Brunson
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