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Episode Title: The Overlooked “Old Way” to Sell That OfferLab Brings Back! | #Sales – Ep. 70
Date: September 15, 2025
Host: Russell Brunson

Episode Overview

In this foundational episode, Russell Brunson delivers a passionate, high-energy “history lesson” for modern entrepreneurs disillusioned by rising ad costs, shrinking platform reach, and increasingly complex funnels. Russell unpacks the original, often-forgotten model of online business growth: collaborative partnerships, joint ventures, and list-building. With OfferLab as the bridge to bring this model back, Russell explains why understanding "the old way" is the true key to success amid shifting digital landscapes.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The OfferLab Launch Context & Today’s Goal

• Russell recaps the recent OfferLab launch and multi-day event (00:31–01:20).
• His first training session (shared in this episode) is a “history lesson” on how online businesses grew and thrived long before Facebook, MySpace, or even display ads took over.
• Purpose: To prove that “success in the future will come from understanding the past” and why collaborative approaches are more relevant than ever.

2. How Marketing Changed: The Facebook “Addiction”

• Russell reflects on the last decade where “your business looked like this:” (04:10)
  • Build a product.
  • “Partner” with Zuckerberg (buy Facebook ads).
  • Get clicks and (if lucky) make $2 for every $1 spent.
• He lampoons the temporary glory days:

  “How many of you guys remember the good old days when Facebook ad clicks were a penny, or 5 cents, or 25 cents per click, and you were selling just the $37 product, and you could be profitable... Like, this is a magic ATM machine and you just do it, and you're like, this is the greatest thing in the world.”
  — Russell Brunson (07:50)

• Describes how optimization, pixels, and “Zuckerberg as the drug dealer” led to mounting costs, endless funnel tweaks, and less reliability.
• The reality now: “As we got better at selling, he got better at taking our money. And it kept getting worse and worse and worse, right? And that's the world we live in today.” (12:05)

3. Why the Solo Funnel Builder Model is Failing Entrepreneurs

• It's now overwhelming: authors, course creators, experts must build multiple products, bumps, upsells, downsells to even break even.
• Example: Derek Hough (Dancing with the Stars) approached Russell for a book funnel—Russell describes feeling guilty telling him about all the steps needed just to not lose money (17:50).

  “You have to create an order form bump, and then a $200 course, and then probably another course... If you have all these pieces in place, then we turn ads on, then you could break even. ... It seems so hard, right?”
  — Russell Brunson (18:42)

• Most people burn out before making real profit.

4. Rewinding: How It Worked Before Ads & Platforms

• Russell’s first product: Zip Brander, circa age 21 (23:15).
• The process:
  • Build a small list (even just 200 people).
  • Find others with a product and a list (like Mike Filsaime).
  • Propose a mutual promotion (JV):
    • Russell mails about Mike’s product to his list, keeps 50%.
    • Mike mails about Russell’s, same split.
  • Both lists grow, they both make money.
• The “Aha” moment:

  “Business has nothing to do with any of the crap they're teaching me in college. Business is just relationships.”
  — Russell Brunson (27:10)

• Recounts networking on Yahoo Messenger, later Skype, and at events—with stories of quirky ice-breakers like ordering milk at bars (funny moment, 32:00).
  • Memorable Quote:

  “If I got milk, they know I'm not drinking anything. ... It was the best icebreaker ever!”
  — Russell Brunson (32:25)

5. The Power of Collaboration & Joint Ventures

• “Every person in here is a partner. I'm not competitive with anyone. I'm a partner with every single one of these people.” (30:20)
• The next evolution: co-branded products
  • Not just recommending each other, but creating joint products with both their faces, both their credibility, and splitting profits and leads (Pre Launch Secrets with Mike Filsaime as example) (34:08).
  • This creates bigger launches, more buy-in, and much faster list growth.
• The seeds of the “Upsell Network” concept (35:00):
  • Marketplace where products from multiple creators could be pasted together into a funnel, each step from a different partner.
  • They tried…and failed, for technical reasons—until OfferLab.

6. How Ad Platforms Killed Collaboration—And Why It's Coming Back

• Once traffic got easy, joint ventures faded:

  “Everyone stopped working with partners and just had one partner. ... Everyone focused on their own funnels, and then nobody else was involved, it was just them.” (41:10)

• Describes cycles where Facebook/other platforms tempt with new features (“free organic reach,” “fan pages,” “Lives”) only to yank away reach and jack up prices.
  • Quote:

  “They addict you, they give you these amazing things...and then Zuckerberg’s like—haha, I got you all, boom.”
  — Russell Brunson (48:40)

7. Recapturing the Old Playbook: Zero-Ad Growth and OfferLab’s Mission

• ClickFunnels reached $10M/year before running a single ad (51:12).
• How?
  • “Just went and found people,” did partnerships, webinars, split revenue after sales/refunds.
  • Zero risk. No upfront ad outlay.
  • Key Quote:

    “Zuckerberg, you pay him upfront whether you make money or not. ... With these guys, [joint venture partners], when Mike did the webinar to promote ClickFunnels...we both hoped this was going to work. ... After we collected the money...I took half the money and gave it to him. And we both won. So there’s no risk, right?”
    — Russell Brunson (52:49)

• Why pay up front to an indifferent partner when you can have collaborators honestly invested in both your success?

8. OfferLab: The “Old Way” Made Simple Again

• OfferLab’s inbox = your new Yahoo Messenger / Skype (55:15)
  • “Every day you should be logging into OfferLab, and all you should be doing is...this is where the partnerships happen.”
• Marketplace full of offers and creators ready for partnerships—no more cold outreach or awkward events.
• Collab possibilities include promoting others’ offers, plugging others’ products as your upsell/downsell, co-creating new offers on the fly, and more.
  • “Everyone who understands this game is here. I’m training, educating you all on this game.” (58:10)
• “I built this for me so I would have to talk to people face to face. It’s the best thing in the world.” (55:57)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On shifting from solo to collaborative:

  “The secret for you to be successful in the future is to understand the past. How did we play and win the game before we could buy ads...?”
  — Russell Brunson (04:32)

• On Facebook as an unreliable partner:

  “You focused on this one person [Zuck] because he was like the best in the world. He gave us all the good stuff, right? ... But as we got better at selling, he got better at taking our money.”
  — Russell Brunson (09:10)

• On the real nature of business:

  “Business is just relationships. ... This is coming from Russell, the awkward introvert who’s scared to death of people.”
  — Russell Brunson (27:17)

• On the power of collaborative launches:

  “We put together Pre Launch Secrets. I promoted my list, Mike promotes to his list, and all of a sudden a bunch of people start buying...and then people start messaging us: ‘Can I promote it?’ So then they’re promoting it, they’re promoting it, everyone’s promoting it, and we’re making—like it blows up, right?”
  — Russell Brunson (36:25)

• On platforms’ cyclical betrayal:

  “There’s peaks where they’re like, ‘We’re gonna get everyone addicted to the next drug...’ and then Zuckerberg’s like, ‘haha, I got you all, boom.’”
  — Russell Brunson (48:40)

• On his unshakable confidence:

  “If I lost everything today...it would take me less than 30 days to be a millionaire again. ... That’s it. That’s the game.”
  — Russell Brunson (54:40)

• On OfferLab as the new network:

  “Every day, you should be logging into OfferLab...this is your Yahoo messenger, your Skype.”
  — Russell Brunson (55:15)

• On the enduring importance of relationships:

  “The thing that’s meant the most to me is the friendships I built along the way. ... These guys I met on Yahoo Messenger back in the day...they flew out on their own dime to be here.”
  — Russell Brunson (01:01:42)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:31–03:50 — Russell sets the stage and previews the topic.
• 04:10–14:00 — How Facebook ad-dependency shaped modern funnels—and why it’s breaking.
• 17:30–20:20 — Why even celebrities and experts get frustrated with solo funnels and ads (the Derek Hough anecdote).
• 23:00–29:00 — The original “old way” of partnerships, with Mike Filsaime, Gary Ambrose, and the art of the JV.
• 32:00–33:00 — Russell’s milk-at-the-bar story: introvert tactics for relationship-building.
• 34:05–38:30 — Co-branded products, collaborative launches, and the “upsell network” dream.
• 41:10–49:50 — How platforms entice, then betray marketers; why the collaborative way always endured.
• 51:12–55:00 — Proof: ClickFunnels $10M pre-ads, and the power (and risklessness) of JV sales.
• 55:15–59:30 — OfferLab as the modern platform for this old approach.
• 01:00:00–01:02:00 — The emotional close: relationships, friendships, and returning to the collaborative spirit.

Structure, Tone, and Speaker Attribution

The entire episode is a high-energy monologue by Russell Brunson. Tone is informal, humorous, story-rich, and brutally honest about the pitfalls of recent marketing fads. Russell repeatedly pokes fun at himself (his age, introversion, “crow’s feet”), at Zuckerberg/"the partner who doesn’t care," and at ad-obsessed entrepreneurs missing the power of genuine collaboration.

Takeaways for Listeners Who Didn't Tune In

• Ad costs will keep rising, platforms will keep shifting—don’t build your castle on Facebook’s sand.
• Revisit the “old way”: partnerships, true collaborations, mutual list-building, and JVs were—and still are—the most resilient way to build an offer and audience.
• Stop obsessing over perfect funnels and solo launches; instead, work with others, co-create, promote each other's offers, and split the profits and the risk.
• OfferLab makes this approach accessible for anyone—no more cold outreach or awkward networking; just log in, build collaborations, and play the game the old, proven way.

Final Thought

Russell’s “history lesson” is ultimately a call to arms for marketers and creators to re-embrace community, collaboration, and relationships as the real engine of business growth—because, as the past proves, the future belongs to those who master partnership first.

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