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The Ryen Russillo Podcast
A Super Bowl Deep Dive Preview With Tim Hasselbeck. Plus, Jim Harbaugh on Year One With the Chargers and What Makes Him a Great Coach.
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Ryan Rosillo
Foreign excited about today's show. All right, here's how we did it. We got Jim Harbaugh. He's moving product, but he's also talking football. We're going to talk about his path and why he set out on a very definitive plan at five or six years old. I want to talk super bowl matchup. This Doncic trade leaked into super bowl week. That doesn't happen. Let's talk matchups, stuff we should be looking for, going up against these two different defensive coordinators with friend of the show Tim Hasselbeck. Life advice There is no open because we're all waiting on this Durant thing. So if something happens this day, you're going to get a little bonus monologue. If it doesn't, we'll just have it maybe Thursday, maybe roll it into Friday's full episode. So that is the plan as of today. This episode of the Ryan Rosillo podcast is presented by AT&T. There's a lot in life that should be guaranteed but isn't. Like your favorite team making the playoffs or finding matching socks in the dryer. I hate that. And then there's AT&T. Guarantee. It means connectivity. You can depend on deals you want and service you deserve or AT&T will make it right. Visit att.com guarantee to learn more. AT&T connecting changes everything. Terms and conditions apply. Visit att.comguarantee for details. This episode is brought to you by Pepcid Complete. All right, let's talk game day essentials. How do I spend game day? Well, we already know that. Get out of the house, get the blood flowing, try to get some activities going. But man, I had some wings the other night. My brother ordered them. Table wings. It was awesome. And it was also a little reminder you're getting a little bit older. But there's one guest that isn't welcome on game day and that's heartburn. Because I remember thinking it was made up. I was like, who gets it? What is it? Do you get dumped and you get it? Nope. You just start to get it, man. I don't know what to tell you. And if you can't fix it, yearn for a tough, tough afternoon. Maybe even into the night. Thankfully, Pepcid Complete starts to work instantly and last all day. Just one great tasting chewable tablet provides dual action heartburn relief with an antacid that starts working instantly and an acid reducer that lasts all day so I can stay focused on the game. Visit pepcid.com to shop now all day based on 8 hour symptom relief studies during the day. Use product only as directed. Good time to catch up with a guy. I really enjoyed spending some time with Tim Hasselbeck. Espn across the street from the Bristol headquarters, getting ready to drop knowledge on everybody. So he's going to hang out with us for a little bit. Good to see you, man.
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Tim Hasselbeck
Good to see you, man. It's good to be back on. I feel like this is like a routine, like very, very late in the season. Like you exhausted all guests possible throughout the regular season and playoffs. And it was like, shoot, super bowl week. It's kind of long. Hasselbeck. And then Matthew's not available, so you're like, oh, shoot. Does anyone still have Tim's number? And then Ceru's like, yeah, I held onto it somehow. It's because it's 617 number. So let's reach back out. Oh, my God.
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Jim Harbaugh
It's good.
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Tim Hasselbeck
Let's do it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, I, I, I don't understand where that's coming from because it was great joy when somebody said, hey, what about Tim? And it was just four people going, great idea, biggest game of the year. So that's how I look at it. I think it's all positives. All right, speak. Speaking of the biggest game of the year, I always like to do a little memory lane with you. When Matt played, I imagine, did the entire crew go up to Detroit?
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Tim Hasselbeck
The entire crew did go to Detroit and it was cool. So, like, you know, it's a neat opportunity, obviously, to play in a Super bowl for anyone, then be a starting quarterback in a Super Bowl. And I was playing at the time. I don't know if I've told you this story or not, but I, I was like, you know, like, how can I help him? Like, he's my brother, you know, like, what can I do to, you know, be of a help as I, you know, he wants to prepare for the game. So I was like, hey, look, I'm going to handle all the tickets. So you just tell me who needs to pay for tickets and who like your comping tickets and I'll just get as many as I can. And so, like, you know, as a player, you get two. And then so I was calling around my friends of the league. So I end up basically with like around 100 tickets right now. I was able to get rid of a lot of them, but I, I had like 50 or so still on me. And there was a party that his agent was throwing in Detroit, and so I had to walk from my hotel in Detroit to this restaurant in Detroit, and it was, like, kind of snowing, and it was gross, and I've got 50 Super bowl tickets, like, in my sport coat jacket. And I just remember being like, I can't get these things off of my hands fast enough. Like, I need to, like, whoever these belong to, like, here, they're your problem now. Just so, like. Like, if somebody would have jumped to me on that short walk, like. Like, it was jackpot. Like, they were in good shape. So I remember a lot, but I mainly remember that experience of how scared I was for that period of time where I had, like, 50 Super bowl tickets, like, stuck to my chest.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, there's always. I always get a little nervous whenever I ask about, like, hey, do you ever have a story like this? And then you're like, yeah, actually a terrible one. So that was. That was better. That worked out a little bit better on this one. I picked against Mahomes in. In the Josh Allen game because I just felt like it was. It was time to do something a little different. I don't do it very often. I think in the 20 playoff games that he's played in, I think I picked against him four times, so I didn't feel like making a habit of that second time around. Give me the Philadelphia argument, though. I don't know who you picked. I'm sure, you know, you can tell us here or wherever you want to, but give us the Philadelphia argument.
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Tim Hasselbeck
Yeah, I mean, I know. I know your listeners have been waiting for my big reveal on my pick, but. But I think. I think Scott maybe asked me to pick the game, like, immediately after the championship game. You know what I mean? Like, we were waiting for a guest, and he was like, who you got? I was like. I mean, like, the confetti hasn't even fallen yet. So, look, I. I'm picking the Chiefs. Look, I just think, like, the three most important people, like, for a game are, you know, the head coach was also the play caller, the defensive coordinator, and the quarterback, you know, and, like, to me, it really doesn't get better than, like, what Kansas City has. So, like, that's just kind of a big overarching, like, probably the way you feel about picking against Mahomes. It's like, not just Mahomes. It's everything about it. It's Andy Reid, it's Steve Spagnolo.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's.
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Tim Hasselbeck
It's the experience, all of it. Now, the Philadelphia side of it, I would say this, like, Jalen Carter is a problem inside, you know, and so sometimes, you know, There are just plays where, like, they win so quickly inside. And so I was like, when you look at some of the stuff the Chiefs like to do with, you know, in the RPO game, or just even Mahomes doing good stuff in the passing game, losing immediately inside leads to, you know, batted balls in the RPO game, which can be obviously devastating to an offense, and then obviously losing quickly inside, it's really hard for a quarterback to create. So I think that's a big deal. You know, when. When Philadelphia is on defense and then when Philly's on offense. I would say this, like, in a passing league, it's remarkable how Philly gets big plays in the run game. Like, they'll just run like inside zone, or they'll run like split zone. And then like, what normally is like an 8 to 12 yard gain. Like, next thing you know, it's like, that's a 62 yard touchdown because, like, the safety took a bad angle. And Saquon, you know, does a good job of, you know, in all their different run schemes, of, like, having great vision. And then when he gets to the second level, he's just so fast that I think people kind of underestimate the angle they need to take on him. So, look, I think that those are two factors that I think, you know, really could end up in Philadelphia's favor.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, there have been a few reminders. Not that any of us, like, you know, that have watched Saquon when he was healthy and just how spectacular he is, but there have been a few reminders on some shorter runs this year where, you know, the play calls to a certain hole, he's supposed to follow something, and then his lateral quickness, his lateral cutting that gets him outside so fast. I do wonder if, granted, when you're that physically gifted, it's like, okay, figure it out. Do whatever you want. But I felt like we used to see more of that, and now I wonder with how controlling play calling is, where you almost have to earn the opportunity to take it outside, where the play caller would rather you just run into the hole, get stuff. Because I feel like, again, we saw more of that with. When we were younger, with running backs just freelancing a bit more and seeing just. Again, it's a few Saquon runs. I was like, oh, that's. That's what it used to be like with somebody this talented. They were allowed to figure it out on their own. And he certainly can do that.
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Tim Hasselbeck
No, I think that's a really. That's a good observation, like, because There were certain backs right where it was like, yeah, they could go outside of the design of the run. Right. Like, a lot of times, like, if people run like a split zone run play, like, typically what happens is, like, it typically winds back, right? And so, like, a lot of times, like, you'll see backs now, you know, not press the hole as much. They start to wind it back. I think the thing with Saquon is, look, he's obviously got incredible ability. He obviously is super talented back and all that stuff. But I think there's also, like, a freedom to it because he's Saquon. Right, right. Like, there's a freedom to it to be like, no, like, I'm gonna hit this front side. And look, there are. There are shots of it. I think it was. Listen, in the Rams game, like, it. It happened where he just like stays front side because a. Because a guy gets a little. I think it was Jared Verse, got a little, you know, kind of impatient, tried to fold over the top, you know, against Washington, it was Fowler Jr. Who, you know, tried to spin out of like a pin block, and then so then he takes it outside. So, like, I just think he's that good. Like in this passing league where it's like, hey, you want to have chunk plays? You want to get big plays? Like, all right, you better, you know, hey, hard play action shot down the field. We've got this schemed up, like, for Philly, sometimes it's like day one install runs and it's, look, they've got a good online, They've got a quarterback who's a threat as well to keep the football. But then they've got a back who really is, you know, I. I don't know. You get back like that every 10 years, every 15 years, something like that.
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Ryan Rosillo
If I'm looking at, you know, some of the defensive matchup stuff here where I've thought about, like, okay, well, clearly with the receivers the Eagles have, the defensive responsibilities for the back end of Kansas City are different. Where if you're looking at Kansas City's receivers, like, I think people kind of fell in love with Xavier Worthy, but it still feels a little gimmicky as opposed to just, hey, go, go beat somebody one on one on a third and seven, you know, Hollywood Brown, like, maybe there's a deep shot to. To get you thinking about it, but I mean, the idea that he's going to just have a million catches and kind of control the game, like, I know there's just not really that guy. And then Kelsey has the huge game against Houston Buffalo in that matchup. Did a great job of containing him there. So where are the things that you can attack if you're Kansas City with this Philly defense that's just loaded from a personnel standpoint?
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Tim Hasselbeck
Yeah, I think the, the thing that is so hard about Kansas City because like, you said it, like, and I would agree with you, like, you know, worthy. I think they've done a good job using worthy speed. Right? And I think they will continue to do that. Right? And then I think Kelsey's ability to just find open space, like, that's still there, right? Like, that'll be a big factor. I think the part for me that's really like the brilliance of Andy is like, go to the championship game and you're like, what is like Juju Smith Schuster just had a 37 yard catch. Like, like, did people have to get reminded? Like, wait, wait, he's still there. Like McColl Hardman got the, the touchdown and the Super Bowl. You know what I mean? Like, you're like, wait, I thought he was with. No, he's. The jets got rid of him and then Andy brought him back in and like, you know, he just. Or like, think about like the championship game, okay? It's like, gotta have it, you know, seal the game situation. You're like, oh, yeah, of course, like P. Ryan out of the backfield. Like, of course, like, that's where everyone was going, right? Like, I do think there's something with Andy and I think it's the way that he coaches that There are guys that have like, roles and some of them just like minuscule roles, but like, they all kind of have the confidence because of how he coaches that. Like, yeah, in any situation, like, we could rely on you. We could depend on you. So, like, look, I don't know if it's, you know, a tight end or if it's a back out of the backfield or what it is, but I think that he does such a good job of coaching. Of, look, you don't have to force it to this guy. Like, obviously we have stuff scripted for certain players, but it doesn't mean the ball has to go there. And so like, look, maybe it is juju. Maybe it is Xavier worthy. Like, it was MVS late in the super bowl, you know, last time, right? Like, you know, it was Rasheed Rice as they were making their playoff run a year ago. Like, it is other guys. I think that's, that's something. He does a great job of coaching. I think Patrick does a good job of playing that way. So I don't know if it's about a matchup. I think it's more just about, all right, wherever the ball should go, like, let the coverage dictate. That's where it goes.
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Ryan Rosillo
I love the juju reminder because, like, the first big play, you go, oh, then he added another one, and you're like, this guy hasn't had two catches or more than two catches in a game since October. And, you know, I know there's probably some people that, that think I'm being dismissive of what Xavier Worthy is. And I think he stresses the defense out, especially with how creative they get him going. And I know he had a lot of catches last week, but I. I still think of, like, the idea of him versus A.J. brown, where if it's one on one and it's a big spot and you're throwing to the pylon, if you're hurt, you're just expecting A.J. brown to win that one. And I don't think Worthy's at that level now.
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Tim Hasselbeck
No, and I agree with you on that. And I think that, you know, in terms of A.J. brown and those opportunities, like, I don't expect Steve Spagnolo to play a bunch of man coverage. I certainly don't expect him to play a bunch of, like, get up and challenge you man coverage. Because that's like, that's a problem for, honestly, everyone in the league. And then, you know, on top of that, like, how it's officiated is also a thing. Like, because if you did, like, say you were going to get. Try to get physical with him, like, he's so physical that, like, he's just clubbing people by sometimes, like, running a slant, you know, like three hard steps, club the guy by. Like, I don't know how you defend it because, like, you know, it seems to me that, you know, like, that type of thing, it's not, you know, not like push offs, like that type of thing. Like, the NFL has been like, yep, that's not opi. Like, that's not. But like, contact without grabbing, that doesn't impede, you know, a guy running his route. Like, but you see some jersey tug, like, that still is defensive holding or defensive pass interference. And so, like, I just don't think Spags is going to even mess with the idea of being like, yep, we're going to play man coverage. We're going to get up and challenge him. Like, because that's a problem. Like, that's. This is a problem for anybody. It's a Problem just generally, I think, in the league with. With how it's officiated.
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Ryan Rosillo
Let's stay on Spagnolo. And then the Vic Fangio part of this, too, because, you know, the Josh Allen throw on fourth and five, which will be forgotten to history, and unfortunately, just how absurd it is that he even gets the ball off to Concade to be like, you know, you see the back end zone angle of that throw and then where the ball is, and, you know, Kincaid is kind of like out of step for him to have to come back and correct it. You still think in that spot, you'd hope he catches that football. You know, the pressure's coming. Whenever you watch a Chiefs game and it's close, you're like, when's he going to dial it up? Well, we know when he's going to dial up. What's it going to look like? And then he brings two defensive backs off his throwing side totally unblocked. It disrupts everything. Like, the play's over immediately. So here's Josh Allen, who's had an MVP level season, and I think we'd all agree, like, at this stage of his career, he's aware of what he's supposed to be aware of. And yet, you know, it's coming, and then all of a sudden everything that you're doing is completely disrupted, which, again, I think it's remarkable to even get a ball off in that situation. What is that like, what is that like? Like, I know it's coming, but I don't know what it's going to look like because Hertz is going to be facing those situations at the end of the game.
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Tim Hasselbeck
Yeah, I think that, you know, like. Like the history of, like, how Spags was trained, was Jim Johnson when he was the Philadelphia Eagles defensive coordinator, right? Like, an amazing job of, like, zone pressures. And like, that's like. Yeah, I was in Philadelphia when Jim Johnson was there. Like, and when you would practice against that defense, like, the thing that Andy would do is Andy would just be like, we're going to go into empty. Because when you're an empty, like, it kind of makes you declare it, right? Like, it kind of makes you be like, all right, show me what you're doing. Because, like, now it's harder for you to disguise it because, like, like, we've got everybody spread out of the backfield, and so you kind of got to, like, show your hand a little bit. And so if you think back to that. That Buffalo play, they start an empty, right? And, like, you hear Josh talk about it after the game. And he's like, he goes through his first cadence. So they're in empty and he goes through his cadence. He's like, all right, I think I, like, I think I got it. Like I. You know what I mean? Like, we've defined it by formation using a double cadence. Like, I think I got it. Okay, so like, you know, Khalil, Shakir, come back into the backfield. Like now we're going to run the play. Like, okay, here we go. And then you're like, oh my God. No, it's coming from there now. You know what I mean? So that's Josh Allen, who's actually really good pre snap. That's they've schemed it up now. I think the thing I would say is this, like, like what? Like what's the difference? Like, why doesn't everyone do it? Like, why can't other teams bring pressures? I think it's the disguise and holding the disguise in the ability to teach your players. Like, we're holding the disguise and we're not giving it away by, hey, safety, you know, you're a little bit, you know, you're two yards outside the hash. Like, just trust it and stay on the hash so the quarterback's not alerted that that corner is coming. I think it's the little details of the disguise that makes spag so good. And then, you know, this is something, I hadn't heard the quote, but Van Pelt said it to me as we just were watching games. Like, I guess Kirk Cousins said, you know what makes spag special is it's like the right call at the right time, right? Like if you're just crazy, just spraying pressures, like eventually like you're going to get caught like in gashed. And I think spacs got a really good, you know, does a good job of like hadn't seen it all game, maybe didn't even see it in a five game breakdown. And all of a sudden in like the most gotta have it moment, you know, you're like, wait a second, you just, you just called a pressure that you haven't repped a million times in a game. Like, that's crazy. But you did it and you did a good job of it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, so what's different about what Mahomes is facing in Fangio's approach?
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Tim Hasselbeck
Yeah, Fangio is like, Fangio is kind of like, hey man, I've been doing this a long time. Like, I don't really care. Like you might get it when ever and wherever. Like I do think like now listen, I don't think that's actually what's going on his brain, but, like, there are times I'm like, dude, it might be. You know what I mean? You're just like, wait a second. You just. Out of nowhere, like, first in 10 on the 30, you just, like, you just heat. Like, you just played it like it was like a third and seven in the red zone, and you just, like, heated everybody up. So I think the thing with him is, like, somebody said to me, like, he. He calls defenses now, like, he's not worried about if he'll find his next job, you know? Like, I think there's. I, Like, I do think there's, like, some truth to that with, like, younger coordinators and stuff, where you're like, you don't want to get a reputation to be a certain way. Like, I think for him, like, he's got a big menu. He's. I think he's got smart players. He's got a really good defensive line, and I think that he's just, like, randomly aggressive. And I think that's one of those things where it's just, like, antennas have to be up, like, the whole time. You know, like, for some teams, it's like, all right, I'm good. I'm good. Third down. All right, antennas up. You know, I think when you play Philadelphia, it's kind of like, like, you got to have it at all. At all times.
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Ryan Rosillo
Is a spy a waste of a defender?
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Tim Hasselbeck
I think in this game, it is. Like, with these quarterbacks, it is. And I say, like, for a couple of reasons, like, when you play Kansas City, like, they run so many crossers, right? They're good at it. Like, it's been a staple of, like, west coast offenses for a long time. One of the ways you defend crossers is, like, you beat them up or you cut them with guys, you know, that have leverage. So, like, if you've got a guy that's just standing there, like, staring at the quarterback, like, like, that's a problem, right? And then Mahomes doesn't always escape to run. And then I think a similar thing with, like, Hertz, like, all right, so if you're going to spy him, like, you better. You better be forcing him a certain way. And then the guy spying was better. Better be able to run with them, right? So, look, I would think that it's probably in the plan for both teams to have elements of spying guys, but I do think, like, if it were me, it's not how I would do.
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Ryan Rosillo
It, because that moment's going to Happen. I mean a spy against Hertz, a fully healthy Hertz can almost feel like pointless. I think the defender, it's kind of like the Milano stuff that they were doing with Lamar Jackson where they were rushing from one side and make sure Milano was on the backside. And it wasn't just the absolute trust that Milano's going to make a one on one tackle Lamar Jackson. Like I don't know who I would have on the list of like, yeah, this guy's got it, no problem. And as good as Milano is, that's asking a lot of him. But at least it's showing you that that side of the field isn't wide open where with Hertz like you can put a, put one of those guys. Like there's a bunch of dudes, linebackers that I like for the Chiefs. But are you really going to contain Hertz if he fully decides like Hertz decide he has more like definitive. I'm running where Mahomes kind of sees how it all plays out and then it feels like you almost have one less defender. But you know what's going to happen and he's going to scramble out to the sideline third and seven. He's going to reach the ball. He's probably going to do it two or three times in huge spots and you don't really know when it's coming until everything else is broken down. So it's like, is it really worth like when he gets free, you're at home going, how come nobody's on him? Like, how come they don't have a spot? You know, it's everything's everybody's favorite thing to yell. You're like, do you know how many times you have to leave that guy in and take him out of the rest of the defense just to have him in there in that spot. Spot. That's, that's I think more like that's more of a sacrifice than I think people realize.
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Tim Hasselbeck
Well and I think this, there's a. Like in my mind there's a difference between a spy, right? So like hey you're. You decided to Rush 3 your Bobby and then you've dedicated one guy and he's staying there and he's just reading the quarterback, he's shadowing and reading the quarterback like whatever he does. So like, like to me, like that's what I would call a spy. So he stays there whichever way the quarterback goes. Like he's shadowing him, right? Like, like there's that right the way you would get boxed in one when you were playing In Martha's Vineyard. Right, like that. Okay, then. Then there's, I think a little bit more of like what you were talking about the Bill's trying to do, which is, look, our rush is coming this way and then we're wrapping somebody around the other way to meet him. Right. Like we are trying to. Because it happens in a run game all the time where they'll say, okay, all right, hey, fit your run gap. And really what we're trying to do is we're trying to funnel the run to this safety that's coming down and we expect him to make the tackle at 4 yards. Right? So like, like to me, you know, a rush that tries to force the quarterbacks escape a certain direction and then meeting that guy with, you know, kind of like an add on rap, like, is different. And like I remember, you know, calling, I think it was an NC State football game. And Tony Gibson, who's a new head coach at Marshall, like he was talking about, it was Malik Cunningham, the quarterback at Louisville who was kind of like Lamar. Right. And then they also had a game against Florida State. It was Jordan Trapps was like another. So these quarterbacks that were really good at running, I'm like, hey man, like, you know, what's the plan? I was like, look, here's what we're going to do. We're taking Levi Jones, this big super athletic guy's outside linebacker. We're going to rush and then he's going to wrap to the other side. He's going to meet him and I'm like, well, how do you know which way he's going to escape? Well, the truth is, like, there's all kinds of data on when and how guys escape. And so if like you're often escaped to the right guy, then like, then you're going to get that type of defense, you know, to you. And so I would say with Hertz, like Hertz does escape to the right and. And I think a rush that forces him to the right and then matching it, you know, is a good way to defend him.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, as you're talking this out too, like the old Vic stuff where it's like once you get your pass rush past his tackles, then you've actually screwed yourself. Like you think you're making this progress. Hey, look, I might get him, I might get him. It's like, no, you've just actually taken yourself out of the play and he's running past like whatever your alignment was. There's like two guys left now that, that are on the, that they're even involved in the front seven that are even a part of this thing anymore. So, you know, part of me was like, would the Chiefs be more disciplined in this spot against Hertz? Whereas, you know, some of the younger guys for the Eagles front, are they going to be so amped up that they get up field a little bit more? But, like, I think what the difference is, is hurts can smoke you with a 60 yarder where Mahomes is just converting third downs. Like, Mahomes isn't out there just flying around like Lamar. It's just those painful pa. We did everything right. We actually got a little pressure on him, and then there he is scrambling out and just reaching over with the football. All right, last thing here, you. You said for the obvious reasons here, I mean, nobody has to sit there. And really, it's not like when you pick the Chiefs, it's like, really, why are the. Why the Chiefs? But something that you'll be looking for early in the game that you think will kind of dictate the rest of the game, which I know is saying a lot because these guys are probably. I would say both sides are really good. Kind of on the fly, certainly Andy side of it, but just something you're looking for being like, okay, this is how they're doing this, and that impacts the way you feel how the rest of the game plays out.
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Tim Hasselbeck
Yes. So Andy's a big first 15 guy, right? Which means, like, like, that'll be fully scripted. Right. And like, though they know the first 15 plays, like, unless you get some real unusual situ, you know, short yard situation or something like that. And so, you know, sometimes I definitely feel like I was on teams, been around coaches that, like, they just, you know, they just had 15 plays and they were, you know, I just liked them. They thought they were good, you know, for what we were expecting. You know, I think Andy's totally different with his first 15. I think they're plays he likes, but I think they are also, like, he's gathering information. Like, he's trying to figure out, like, all right, like, how are you going to line up to this? Like, and how are you. Like, what are you going to do when we, you know, run an orbit motion with Xavier Worthy? And like, so I think, like, in Andy's mind, like, his first 15 is also very much. Hey, I'm. I'm. I want to see. So for me, what I would say is at the beginning, like, like, how quickly he feels like they need to get the football out. Right? Because I do think that that's going to be a factor with, like, up, like, up front and like. All right, so is it a heavy RPO first drive? You know, is it a quick game first drive? Is it. Is it a screen game first drive? Like, I think that's going to be really interesting for. Is it a move the pocket, you know, because you don't think you can hold up. I think that's going to be really interesting because I think it gives you a little bit of a glimpse into, like, into his mind of, like, where do you think you have a problem? So I think that that'd be. And then the success they have with it, right? Like I mentioned before, like, batted balls and RPOs, things like, that could be a problem. So I would say that. And then I think, like, defensively for Kansas City, like, you know, very early on in the game, like, like, everyone's amped up. Guys are flying to the football. Like, you typically stop the run with, like, energy and effort, right? So you would think in this type of, like, in the playoffs, like, energy and effort stops the run. But, like, like I said before, like, does everyone trust it? Right? Like, are guys over pursuing. Do it? Like, do you trust it in the run game so that, you know, you don't look up after the first quarter and you're like, oh, my God, Saquon's averaging 7.8 yards per carry. Like, that's a problem. So those would be the two things I think are a big deal.
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Ryan Rosillo
Hey, man. Say hi, everybody, for me back in Connecticut. And I'm. I'm sincere about that. It's. It's great to see you again. And I guess we'll call you week two next year.
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Tim Hasselbeck
Listen, do this, okay? Now that I'm a high school football coach, too, like, come cover, like, an Endsworth football game next year. You know what I mean? Like, just, you know, maybe have a bye week, you know, maybe on your way, like, traveling coast to coast, like, come check out Endsworth. Okay. And then. And then. And then we can do it again in the super bowl week next year. Does that sound good?
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Ryan Rosillo
What was your record this year?
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Tim Hasselbeck
We were 100 in the regular season. Then we had a bye week, then we won a playoff game, and then we lost in the semifinals.
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Ryan Rosillo
Who'd you lose to?
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Tim Hasselbeck
McCauley, the state champs. So they won it all. I mean, were you following along? I would have sworn you were following along.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, I don't know.
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Jim Harbaugh
I.
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Ryan Rosillo
You know, after. After the Vineyard, Nantucket stuff and the reclasses.
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Tim Hasselbeck
Here's what I would like Van Pelt. Van Pelt wanted to be my officer coordinator. He's a big double move guy. Okay. Big double move guy. Like, wants to start the game with double moves. Likes third down double moves. Like, he's big double move guy. Like, my brother's. My brother's the offensive coordinator, so Matthew's calling the place. But, like, we fought a lot as kids, so, like, I'd actually like it if you came in watch. If you kind of said he wasn't doing a good job, then, like, then maybe I could get with Van Pelt's double move philosophy. You know what I mean?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I could come in outside consultant, like. Well, the first issue is head coach and OC are just on different pages.
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Tim Hasselbeck
Okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
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Jim Harbaugh
Yeah. Appreciate it. Yeah, I'm excited to partner with I.
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Ryan Rosillo
I, I love the, the college pro thing of, like, you know, when you're in charge of something that's this important, understanding that transition, you know, and you've done it now twice. What are the things that you kind of remind yourself of? Of, like, at my core, I'm a football coach, but these are the things that I have to be a little different about. As you change between the levels. Yeah.
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Jim Harbaugh
You know, that I don't know if I have that list as much as, you know, the same really. You know, I mean, it's, you know, it's about. To me, it's like a, you know, kind of like a beehive analogy. You know, I mean, I mean, what's good for the bee is good for the hive. What's good for the hive is good for the bee. It's, it's about the team, you know, the, the team, the team, the team. But, you know, the idea of doing anything and everything for the individual, you know, and then you predict, you anticipate that that individual is going to do anything and everything they can to help the team be successful. And this has been the best darn job I've ever had. Everybody in this organization, from the ownership, Spanos family, you know, everybody doing anything and everything in their power to help this team be successful. So, yeah, I've been, I've been feeling it since, since day one, and, you know, can't wait for, for Chargers version 2.0. And it's core, really. You know, it's, it's, it's being around guys that, you know, just want to give it their very best, and they want to, they want to win, they want to be successful, but they, they want to do it for the team, for the organization, for each other. And that's, I've been, I've been drinking that Kool Aid. And it starts here. We talk about competitors. Welcome. You know, there's, there's just nobody better than Justin Herbert on, off on offense. He leads us. He's our tone setter. He's the example setter. He's. He's in. Derwin James on defense. You know, the tone setter, the example setter, the one who loves football the most. And you just come every day and, you know, give it, give it your very best to be, be worthy of being around these guys, you know, and in this team, Khalil Mack I could go. I could go. Rashawn Slater could go. Joe Alt could go with Dion Henley, J.K. dobbins and, and on and on. Loe Gilman, Zion Johnson. I mean, guys that, you know, there's no question that, that I'd say it this way, there's no question that even the difference from 10 years ago, when I was, when I was, When I was coaching with, for the 49ers in the NFL, there's no question 10 years later that these, these players are just better. They're just, they're bigger, they're stronger, they're. They're faster, they're smarter. There's. I mean, that you can objectively document that. But the thing that's really grabbed me is, is just, you know, how much more they want it, you know, how much, you know, the love of the game that they have. And I, I see that on my team and know that that's, that's the way it is across the league. You know, after, after having spent a year back coaching again, it's just, it's just phenomenal. It's just phenomenal, you know, just how good, you know, you know, everybody is. And you look at our division, you know, the coaching. I know I got to get better. I got to get better. I mean, there's super bowl champion, Andy Reid, you know, three time going for a three peat. Pet Carroll, super bowl champion Sean Payton, super bowl champion. It's, it's cool. It's really cool. I mean, had battles with, with all of them. And in that, you know, those competitors really pull it out of you, you know, like today. Yeah, we're working, we're working today. We'd rather be there getting, having a Wednesday practice, getting ready for the, for the Super Bowl. But, you know, we are, we're here in Los Angeles and trying to attack this day. You know, it's another day to attack, a day to get better. That's, that's, that's where we're at, attacking free agency and getting our guys back. And here comes the draft, the combine in a couple weeks. Yeah, we're, we're rolling and we have to. I mean, it's just. We gotta, we gotta, we gotta, we must, we must give it our best. We must win.
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Ryan Rosillo
One of the things that I know is constant about you is as soon as you're in the building, I like whether it's the genuine joy that you have right now. I'm getting a little fired up. I knew this was going to happen minutes into talking to you, like, I want to run through a wall. But whenever I look at your stops, it's like, okay, first season, massive improvement, you know? Again. Again. Again. I'm always trying to figure out how you guys do this, but is there something to. And I'll use a little story here. I remember when I. First time I ever started using a personal trainer. Like, he just started saying, like, you can be like that guy. You can be as strong as him. You're tougher than that dude. And I was, like, looking at my scrawny body thinking, what are you talking about, man? Like, I'm looking at this trainer. Then I realized his job was to make me feel better about myself and what my outcomes could be. Is there something as simple as when you first step into the building and you're at the facility that you. You remind yourself because you played. I need to tell these guys how special they are all the time. And that's kind of the payoff that it seems like everybody responds. Responds to you eventually. I. I don't know.
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Jim Harbaugh
You know, it's kind of just any team I've ever been on, you know, whether I was a. A player or a coach, I just. I just naturally gravitate to the guys who, you know, who are the. Who are working the hardest, who are, you know, who love football the most, you know, who just that. That, you know, that are the competitors. Competitors. Welcome. And. And I. So I guess I would just say it this way. I mean, I'm a coach who hasn't forgotten what it's like to be a player. And, you know, and I want. I want to be part of a team. I want to be on that team, and I want to. I want to. I want to measure up, you know, to, you know, hey, here's what Justin Herbert's doing. And what you said is probably the best advice you could give anybody. I mean, look at somebody who's doing it right, who's doing it well, who is successful, and then see if you can go emulate them. You know, watch them, you know, really study them, and then. And then emulate them, even copy them, and then see if you can go make them proud of you. I mean, that's. That's kind of been my. My, you know, my whole strategy, whether it was a player or a coach. So, yeah, when I. Right when they dropped me into this. This situation, and I'm looking. Everywhere you turn, you're looking Derwin James. I mean, I've never been around a guy like this. I never had a teammate like him when I was playing or A player like him, when I coached, I mean, you pick an environment, you pick the training environment, the practice environment, the game game environment, the sideline, the meeting room environment. He's asking the right questions, he's. It's a effusive love of the game and this energy that is there every single day. Yeah, I want to rub up against that and get some of that every single day. I'm the one getting that positivity. I'm the one that's feeding off of that. Justin Rashawn slater, Joe Auld, J.K. dobbins, guys that add toughness to your team, like Denzel Perryman and Loe Gilman, Zion Johnson. I mean, I mean, nobody works like this guy, you know, is precise and is his technique and is diligent. I mean, he's, I just love the way they attack their business. And then we got a strength coach, Ben Herbert. I mean, you want to talk about somebody that's, you know, gonna train you, you know, get you right, you know, make you hard to break, you know, and, and coaches that are attacking it and then, yeah, we've been through it a year now, now we want to do it better and we want to do it version version 2.0. So that's, that's, I guess, I mean, that's really, that's what, you know, that's what I feed off of, you know, it's, it's like life giving energy, you know, to go compete and be, be around other competitors who are like minded, you know, Savage warriors is what I call these guys. You know, it's, that's, that's, it's like being around greatness every day. Watching Justin Herbert. So, yeah, pretty darn, pretty darn good job. I mean, one might say who's got a better, you know, I'd say nobody.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, that's a perfect transition because I want to talk a little college. Did you have time to watch the national Championship?
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Jim Harbaugh
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
You watched it?
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Jim Harbaugh
I watched it for sure. You know, it's, it's, it's the respect that you have, you know, it's the respect that you have for the game. Like I said, it's like, it's like the super bowl this week, you know, you know how hard it is to get there. You know how tough it is to get there. You know, in a good way. It hurts, it stings that you're, that you're not there, but there's still that respect of, for the game and the teams that made it there. Same with the national championship game. And it's, you know, and whatever game I'm watching, I. I root for the team that's playing the hardest. You know, unless it's the Michigan Wolverines playing. And I'm. I'm rooting for the Michigan Wolverines. The. The. The Baltimore Ravens. When we're not playing them, I'm rooting for the Baltimore Ravens. My son coaches the special teams at the Seattle Seahawks. We're not playing the Seahawks. I'm. I'm rooting for the Seahawks. But about every other game, I turn it on and. And I find myself rooting for the team that's. That's playing the hardest.
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Ryan Rosillo
I wanted to ask you about a parallel between your experience in Michigan and then Ryan Days at Ohio State, because when you first get hired at Michigan, like, you look at what's going on. They're 8 and 5, 7 and 6, 5 and 7. Then you win 10 games. You win 10 games through the Force. First four seasons, you were ranked number seven or higher, at least I think, in four of the five seasons. But you weren't beaten in Ohio State. So then it turns into, at least the way I saw it, the people that do my job, like, this isn't good enough. And I'm like, well, I. I look at things differently. I understand. Sometimes look at me and be like, well, how can you not understand that this is so disappointed, all these different fans. You figure it out. You beat Ohio State, you win yourself a national championship. Ryan Day, on the other hand, comes in. It wasn't the rebuild that you had in Ann Arbor, but they're doing everything right, except they're losing to Michigan the entire time. And then in another year where they lose to Michigan the fourth time, they win the national championship. Do you think as somebody who's lived it and I don't know. I don't know how you can answer this one. Do you think it's somebody who has lived it? The result of that rivalry game gets in the way of an honest evaluation of how the head coach is doing with the program.
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Jim Harbaugh
No, I mean, it's what you want for your team. I mean, you want ultimate success. Ultimate success when you're coaching at Michigan or Ohio State is, you know, winning the rivalry games and winning the national championship. You know, that's what it is. You're coaching at the Los Angeles Chargers or the Baltimore Ravens. Ultimate success is winning the. The Super Bowl. You know, that's. That's ultimate success. We didn't reach ultimate success this year. You know, we look at the things that we. That we did. Right? And you know, we, we had, we had some, we had success. We had success. And now, you know, you want to build, build, build, get better, better, better. But I think the, the important thing, you know, for, for, you know, a coach or a player, I mean, it's the same. It's, it's just make sure you give it your very best and that way you're going to feel good about, about what you accomplish and then you're, you're striving for next, you're striving for better, you know, at all times. And yeah, it's, it's. I think it's right. I think it's the better way, you know, not to let, not to let you know anything get in your head other than, you know, giving it your, giving it your, your very best. Coaching your team. Just, just coach the team. That's. Keep, keep telling myself, you know, that. And, and then every day, it's an everyday thing. I mean, today, today for us, that's a day, that's a day to attack. A day, you know, with an enthusiasm unknown to mankind. And, and, and then we'll have a day to make it a great day and then we'll have a week, you know, a month, a year. But hey, we got our team and let's, let's focus on doing anything and everything in our power, you know, to make it the best darn ball team we've ever been on and achieve ultimate. Yes, that's what you're going for.
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Ryan Rosillo
When I was reading about, there was an article earlier this year about the end of your run, the end of your playing career with, when you were in Carolina, right. And I think it was, you were lighting it up on the scout team, but you kind of, you kind of knew like, this is, this is probably the end. And I mean, these are your own quotes and I'm paraphrasing a lot of this stuff and you get to know Greg Roman and, and you started mapping it out. What was that like mentally for you to transition from? I guess it's over for me putting the pads on. Let me start attacking this from the perspective of somebody preparing himself to be a coach. What was that shift like for you over 20 years ago?
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Jim Harbaugh
It was easy. It was really easy because I made the plan, had always been to play as long as I could, then coach, then die. From the time I was five, six years old, I made that plan and you know, I just gave it the very best, you know that I gave it my very best as a player. And then when it gets to the point where, okay, they're not playing anymore. You know, they don't want you on their team. Okay, now it's time to coach. So that was, that was, that was. That was a very, A very easy transition. A month later, I was coaching at the Oakland Raiders, and, you know, Al Davis. I'm sitting in a. In an office, you know, doing an interview with, with Mr. Al Davis, you know, is. I'm going to attack that. He sees something in me. He sees something in me that he thinks is going to make a good coach. He believes in me. Then, you know, that I'm going to give it every. Anything and everything I have to, you know, make the, make the Raiders better. That was. And then I was on a team again, you know, back. Back in it. Back on a team. You know, now I'm a coach, but I don't. Didn't forget what it's like to be. To be a player either. And I think that's. That's been something that's been. That's been good for me. I just love to compete. You know, that's the thing. I mean, I. That's the best part to me is the competition. And that's kind of our mantra. That's. That is our mantra here at the. At the Chargers. Competitors welcome.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you think you've ever done bad in an interview?
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Jim Harbaugh
Oh, yeah, I've had some bad ones. I've had some. I've had some clunkers.
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Ryan Rosillo
Did people just not get it? Like, they didn't get the Harbaugh deal? Like, why do you think someone bad?
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Jim Harbaugh
Oh, there was. There's just been some, you know, like, sometimes I think for my own. My own part, your mind's just somewhere else. You know, it's like. It's like, yeah, there's been press conferences or whatever, and your, Your mind is just, you know, totally on how to. How are we gonna, you know, how we gonna block the three technique from Kansas City? I mean, it looks darn near impossible, you know, and your mind's there and then, boom, you're into the press conference. That's maybe, you know, when I've had some. Had some clunkers here or there.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's funny. It's just funny to me, driving.
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Jim Harbaugh
You're never really striving to, you know, to. To win a press conference. You know, you're trying to win a game, so sometimes your head isn't. Isn't right there.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'd rather you win the game than win the press. I've seen a lot of Coaches.
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Jim Harbaugh
I agree. I agree.
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Ryan Rosillo
I've seen a lot of coaches just kill it in press conferences, and everybody gets so excited. And I'm almost worried when the guy is too good in the press conference. Like, this guy is so polished now. I'm worried about the rest of the stuff. And that is. We've seen. We've seen a lot of NFL press conferences from head coaches look terrible. And it's the first introduction the public has to really getting to know a head coach, and then everybody freaks out about how awkward it is. And then you realize, like, none of that really matters as long as the 53 guys inside respect him. Right?
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Jim Harbaugh
Yeah, that's. That's a great observation, Ryan. I mean, there's, you know, that, that, you know, that first press conference, you know, like, you're doing so much prior to that first press conference. I mean, you're talking to maybe 30 coaches because you're trying to hire, you know, 10. But you're, you're interview. You're talking to every single player, you know, on your team. You're. You're already doing, you know, scheduling, and it's still a. I mean, you're working on like 10, 12, 13, 15, 20, 100 things at that. At that time. So, yeah, I can see guys. You know, you step into that and go, yeah, my mind is on, you know, hiring this coach or, you know, you know, signing this player, building a rapport with. With, you know, these, these, you know, 90 players that are on the, on the squad. So, yeah, maybe. Maybe give the guys a break. You know, that. That's not the most important thing in their, in their day.
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Ryan Rosillo
I have one more question, and then I want to jump into what you're doing with Envivid here. I was in New Orleans when you went up against your brother in the Ravens niner Super Bowl. It was, it was a really good guy. I picked you guys, by the way. So I think it was at that point, like, the Kaepernick thing looked completely unstoppable. So my question, I know you've been asked this question, like, different forms, and I've interviewed you a bunch, and sometimes I'm never quite sure, like, where the answer will go and that. Does that loss really bother you because you're the competitor or are you so good at, like, mentally moving on from things and then I can't imagine, like, do you and John ever talk about it casually, like, where. Where is that memory in the family dynamic?
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Jim Harbaugh
Yeah, you know, it. Where that memory is, is. Yeah, I was proud of our team. You Know, things, things that, that came up and we did, you know, we, you know, we didn't play our best early. You know, we got, we got behind. I was really proud of our team, the way, the way they fought back, you know, especially after the lights went out and just, you know, they, they stayed the course and, and, you know, came up five yards, you know, short of the, short of the goal line. And then, you know, brother John on the other side, I mean, there's, there's nobody I love more, you know, I don't have a better friend in the entire world than my brother, so there's that and I'm proud of him. You know, I'm happy for him. I know that he earned, he earned that and it wasn't, it wasn't given. There was no part of that, you know, you know, I'd lay down my life for my brother, you know, but I would not let him win a football game, you know, mentality. So, you know, just nothing but, nothing but respect. And, and also then there'd be the level as I'm happy that happened to our, to our family, you know, that that was, you know, that, that the two brothers were us, you know, that I shared when we were kids. I mean, for, until he went off to college, I mean, there was two little, two little twin beds in the same room and there's two, two brothers, you know, you know, growing up, being best friends, nobody could have, Nobody could have it better and. Yeah, just really, just really proud of him. I mean, there's probably, you know, he's, he's the best. You know, he's, he's the best or one of the best coaches in the, in the National Football League and in the history of the game. A tremendous team builder. Tough, tough competitor that, you know, pulls it out of you and, you know, and I love them. So that, that's, that's where all the, that's it. I mean, that's, that's all the, that's all the, all the feelings from, from that time and, you know, right up to the, right up to the minute today.
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Ryan Rosillo
So we're in New Orleans and you're luckily back in la. But I, I do. I know, I know. Well, yeah, I don't mean it as like, I just miss la. LA is the first place. Manhattan beach is the first place I've ever lived that when I land on the plane, I'm so happy. Like, the, the plane lands and I go, okay, I'm back, you know, and I've, I've had some other Stops that weren't bad necessarily, but this is the first one. But I love being in New Orleans. I spend a ton of time here and I know, hey, look, part of the deal is you've got something to tell us and inform those that are still wondering about non vaccination opportunities for people that are more compromised. And I know that's what you're doing with Envivid. So tell us more about that.
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Jim Harbaugh
You said it beautifully. There's options that aren't vaccines and it's especially for immunocompromised individuals. Those that have had cancer, those that have had organ transplants. That covet is still here. I know people don't like to talk about it but you know that virus is, there's no good virus but you know, there's, there's options. And it's kind of been that kind of a year for me this year. You know, I've just had the hip replaced 13 days ago. Had an arrhythmia during a game this, this season. So yeah, health is on my mind. And just, just talk to your doctor. That's, that's what I do. As you know, I'm not a doctor. There's no, there's no degree back here on the wall. There's some, there's some other things but it's not a medical degree. So I worked my, I've worked with my doctors to make the right decisions for myself and you know, I advise you to and others to work with your doctors and go to expand their options.com if, if they are or they, they, they know somebody who's immunocompromised to, to give themselves additional options and protection.
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Ryan Rosillo
And again that website is expandthereoptions.com and that is a national champ. And hopefully one day I'll be rooting for you super bowl champ and get another opportunity. It's Jim Harbaugh. So thanks man.
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Jim Harbaugh
Well, this just appreciate you. That was a fun interview. That was good to talk all with you.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's good because I've had a few with you. You know, I remember going back to the days we had a bad one. No, we had a couple but I respected it. Like I had to kind of ask and it was really funny because it was like a phoner at ESPN and it was. You were rumored to be leaving and I had to ask it and so then I, I didn't really get what I wanted so I was like, I'll, I'll try it again. You're like, yeah, you're badgering me a little bit. And then, you know, bamboo shoots underneath the finger dip. And then Stanford Steve, you know, is my guy. So we all would go to the hotel when we would do those little stand up interviews and I'd have to hold the mic up and, and do that stuff with you. And I just never, I was always looking forward to it because I never knew what I was going to get. But I never, there's never been a moment where I would say like, oh, he's, he's, I don't like him or he's tough. I, I'd love that. I respect the out of what you do, man. So I think you know that. But I was just. Good to catch up, man.
- [60:17]
Jim Harbaugh
Right back at you.
- [60:22]
Ryan Rosillo
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- [61:34]
Steve Ceruti
Fine.
- [61:34]
Ryan Rosillo
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up?
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Kyle
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
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Ryan Rosillo
I have every toy you can possibly imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid.
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Steve Ceruti
So now you know what's possible.
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Ryan Rosillo
Let me tell you what's required. Today's life advice is brought to you by Amazon Business. And before we begin, here's my first piece of advice. You absolutely need to try Amazon Business. Amazon Business offers smart business buying solutions so you can spend more time growing your business and less time doing the admin. I can see why they call it smart. Okay, let's Jump in the email address lifeadvicermail.com I would say full, full squad today. We've got all the ones.
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Steve Ceruti
Can I just ask if Steve Ceruti is wearing a custom Steve Cerruti hat or is SC something else?
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Kyle
Nope.
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Steve Ceruti
It is a little disappointing.
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Kyle
Springline coffee hat. I'm a big rope hat guy. I mean it's. Listen, I have, I have some basic elements to me it's fine. But now my sister got this for me. I think maybe the SC was a part of it, but now it is a. It's a coffee hat. So you're not the first one to ask.
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Steve Ceruti
To me, it's a Steve Cerutty hat.
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Kyle
I feel like that's kind of douchey, but I like the hat. I don't know. What am I going to do?
- [62:45]
Steve Ceruti
Hey, I bought a Kansas City Royals hat in high school because Casey and I and didn't have any qualms explaining it. Yeah, wouldn't wear it now, but.
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Tim Hasselbeck
I.
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Ryan Rosillo
Wish you would wear it now. Kc. I love that. It's a great logo. It's a great hat.
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Kyle
Royal hat.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's not my favorite blue, but it's a good blue. Really good one.
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Kyle
Throwing ideas out there for the future. Maybe YouTube stuff, power ranking, baseball hats. There you go. I'd argue cattle Mariners won.
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Ryan Rosillo
That has to have been done.
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Kyle
Of course it's been done, but not by us.
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Ryan Rosillo
Fair. I think I. I don't know that I would ever put anything above the Yankees logo. Wow, that's coming from, from me.
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Kyle
I think it's overrated.
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Ryan Rosillo
Would feel instant hatred. I think it's the coolest logo in sports and I hate that it is that cool. I guess I don't really hate it anymore. I don't care. I used to hate the logo so much but I knew deep down I was like, that thing is so dope.
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Kyle
I almost bought an ace recently. This is. Well, I had an ace. Sorry. But like I kind of felt bags. I'm like, the ownership sucks, they're moving. But I think the hat is sick. Like the, you know, the yellow and green. It's just a good looking hat.
- [63:52]
Ryan Rosillo
I had an A's hat. I had a white socks hat. I love just the heavy rotation, those two.
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Steve Ceruti
Heavy rotation, those two. I remember both of them. Oh, I'm thinking of Graves hat now. You're A's.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Kyle
No, are you thinking of the Cardinals hat?
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Ryan Rosillo
Oh, Pittsburgh. I go back. Yeah. I did reorder the old Boston white B thing because it's the one I wear to the Gym. And I couldn't wear it, like anywhere because it would be disgusting. But Yeah, a fitted 5950 at the gym. I tell you, you're gonna sweat a little bit more. Yeah, sweat a little bit more.
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Steve Ceruti
No vents in there.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, you're gonna feel it. But yeah, I've done. I even did a Giants hat. I think at one point that was a. That was a very short window. Cause I loved that hat. It's. You know what, Kyle? Well, the Blue Jays ones, I have like seven of them because Bushman was with the team. And there's still two I really like. But that white one Ceruti despises, he really doesn't like that one on white.
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Kyle
Hats are tough. It's like 2004 vibes. You know, a white fitting, white on white. That was the problem of my, you know, high school.
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Steve Ceruti
What about a white leather hat? What do you think about that belly? All right, I could be done with this.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's fine. What I would say is, Kyle, great instincts to ask about that. Because I wanted to ask about that at some point. And I love that you did it. I love that you just jumped right in and you got there. I also think my favorite thing is that Worgon shuts down all of his communications, video and audio. Kind of knowing that he just lays in the weeds and we go to him when we need him and his comfort level is not at a point where he goes, yeah, four wide now. It's unbelievable. His instincts love it. Okay, let's read a couple emails. We have gotten more emails and I'd say the last couple months than ever before. So that's great. Keep them coming in. We also get a lot of follow ups to having Will Kane on. I do think that is it. I would say X is different, a different experience and predictable. And I also think the motivation to criticize versus the motivation to stay neutral and then followed in, in way, way behind the pack. The motivation to say something complimentary. So I get it. Will's aggressive about his politics. He's very right wing. He's on Fox News. We talked about the Maps because he's a huge Maps fan and he's my friend. So I. My advice to you if, like, that bothered you so much that you had to send in an email about it, find other things to worry about.
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Steve Ceruti
Do better.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do better. Our favorite do better.
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Kyle
There were so many people, I feel like that were like a couple weeks ago and you got excited about inauguration Day. Indirectly. People were like, I knew it. I knew it.
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Ryan Rosillo
We're back.
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Steve Ceruti
Yeah, that was the best day of my year so far. It's. It's been, you know, it's been a short year, but that was, that was the best day of my year so far. It's like he's never beating the allegations.
- [66:48]
Jim Harbaugh
So good.
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Ryan Rosillo
So. All right, let's. Let's do a couple different ones here. Stats 25, 6 3, 200 pickup comp warriors, Iguodala bench 205 Smith machine only. So probably actually 150. Not sure the conversion. I know that you're losing 55 pounds on a 205 Smith, but you are losing something if you just go straight back. I am recently married and my wife started Ozempic three weeks ago. Since then, I've noticed her breath stinking most of the time. At first I thought it was just a coincidence or something we ate. Until I googled it and saw Ozempic breath is a real thing. I had no idea. Changing lives 1 ozempic breath email at a time. It allegedly, it's allegedly because it changes the changes in your gut bacteria. Nevertheless, I'm now holding my breath whenever she whispers to me at church or when we are kissing. Oh, bro. So you're going to have an in shape. I think I'd rather have a heavy wife with good breath. How do I tell her that breath is. Her breath is now consistently bad and she has to stay on top of it because of her meds without hurting her feelings. My current plan is to leave the Ozempic breath search is my active Safari tab and just wait for her to Google something on my phone. But I want to act quickly because I don't want her to get a bad rap at work. I'd say if you did it as your last search on a Safari tab on your iPhone. Sometimes the iPhone when you go to Safari just offers you up a new page. So she may not even see it.
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Kyle
Not here. You shoot her a text with like, you know, link to Ozempic breath and be like, oh, my bad. Wrong person.
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Steve Ceruti
Oh, the Larry David. That's.
- [68:25]
Ryan Rosillo
That's mean for Saru.
- [68:26]
Jim Harbaugh
Diabolical.
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Steve Ceruti
I don't know.
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Kyle
Well, if you really want to make sure it's get it gets across, that's. That's certainly a way because I'm with you. The tap thing, who knows? Like, that's a wild card.
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Ryan Rosillo
I mean, you could just go full blown, like, yeah, I had a 20% off thing at CVS. It's like seven different breath products. Yeah, I don't know. That's a tough one. Google. She's that heavy to begin with. Yeah. Kyle, got anything here?
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Steve Ceruti
This is like double standard in my house, you know, when it comes to me, it's like, oh, your farts are disgusting. Oh, you're burping too loud. Oh, your breath stinks. And then I would, I did a, you know, a morning. Whoa, morning breath. And she was absolutely. I mean, I tried to do it nice, but I did it fast. It was, it was definitely a gut reaction, no pun intended, I think, with the GLP1s or whatever we're talking about here. But I, I just, was just, I was just like, whoa, morning breath. And she was mortified and it was like, like an hour before we got back to normal. But, I mean, that's in the past and I'm talking about it now, and it's all good. I just, I'm telling you, it's a double standard in my house. I mean, she's got no problem saying I'm disgusting. I don't know. I, I personally, I would tell her if I was just like, hey, this is all the time now. I would tell her she's going to be out in the world, like, at a certain point, are you on her team or not? You know, it like telling your coworker that you don't really have a relationship with. You're like, this could mess things up down the line. You're telling your wife who's going out into the world and, you know, wants to be the best version of herself, obviously, if she's getting on this stuff. So, yeah, I think I would just, Just say, hey, something I, I noticed. And, you know, it's. The good news is it's not you.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's.
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Steve Ceruti
It's something that's happening to you. You weren't born this way. I don't, I don't know if that makes it better.
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Kyle
That does make it better. I think.
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Steve Ceruti
Yeah, this is happening. Yeah. So, yeah, I wouldn't just come home with a new thing and be like, hey, I'm thinking about trying this new extra strong mouthwash. We should both do it together in the mornings. I think you just be honest about it and don't try to do any trickery here. It's a new merit. So I could see you not wanting to throw things off if it's been going really well. But I think you should be honest and just practice a nice way to say this.
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Kyle
This always gets back to, like, I would want someone to tell me if I had bad.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yes.
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Steve Ceruti
Especially your best friend in the world. Right? Yeah.
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Kyle
Like I just, like, she's walking around, she's working friends, and you're like, the only person that can. That might just really be able to tell her and she doesn't know. So.
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Ryan Rosillo
You have the most data.
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Kyle
Yeah, we have the most data. So that's just how I come. Come at it. I. I'm not really in a house where, like, this gets shamed.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like.
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Kyle
Like Kyle's like, you know, my wife and I mostly kind of call each other. It's usually me, but, you know, we mostly call each other out for stuff. I remember, like, I wear a retainer. Like, had braces and then did Invisalign. I gotta wear a virgin. I'm sorry. It is what it is. Or else my teeth literally move and I become a gap tooth.
- [71:09]
Ryan Rosillo
And that kid in Landman's pretty hot, though.
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Kyle
Yeah, I guess gap teeth are kind of coming back now. But anyway, he makes it work.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Kyle
I wear a retainer and it kind of makes my breath smell more so. And she told me that, and I'm aware of it. I'm glad she told me. So that's. That's how I come at it. Everyone's different. Your wife might be more sensitive, but I just think most people would want to know so they can then prevent it from being a problem for other people. Because otherwise, if you just walk through a life not knowing, that sucks. That's such a bummer. Everyone's kind of talking behind your back about how bad your breath is. I would just want to stamp the thing out.
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Steve Ceruti
I will say, yeah, you're not telling her I don't love you anymore. You're not finding a way to say that I love you. And here's something.
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Kyle
Start with I love you. Yeah, start with I love you. Your breath is kind of bad. We know why. I just want to let you know. Still love you nothing. But, like, you know, you want to fix it. I'm here for you because I was. I dated a girl, like, you know, years ago, and she had bad breath. And, like, you can't tell a girl, like, you're newly dating that she has bad breath because that's just, you know, it's an instant kind of deal breaker. But it was a deal breaker for me. And we just kind of. It kind of wasn't going to go anywhere because of that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Steve Ceruti
And we talked about this a while ago. Like, you don't want this to come out in a fight where, you know that that guy was reaching in his back pocket for that one thing to say. And, like, that's when it comes, by the way. But carrying this for six months, suffering, and I just burned it on something that I'm totally the bad guy now for.
- [72:29]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, I always feel like when I see an adult with gap teeth, I'm like, did the parents just go, no, we're not that.
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Steve Ceruti
Not in the budget.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, he's like the fourth kid. And the other braces, he didn't wear his retainer. And so, like, we're just not doing this all over the place.
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Kyle
You know what blows my mind is Margaret Qualy. Like, she's famous actress. Her mom's famous, too, clearly. Obviously comes from money, and she just has a gap tooth. And I'm like, I wonder what the. What was the decision in her life to be like, no, I'm gonna. I'm keeping the gap tooth thing. Like, I'm. This is my thing. Like, it's one thing for Strahan when it's become your kind of, like, part.
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Ryan Rosillo
Of who you are, but the gap.
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Kyle
Yeah, the gap. Yeah.
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Steve Ceruti
Yeah. I have a friend. That's his. That's his whole thing. Got, like, a field goal poster in the front of his. Front of his face and just, like, his calling card. It's fine.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't think our gap is. Well, the gap teeth. I don't think it's that egregious. You know, it's not like stray heron, by the way. Her and Jack absolutely stunned at the Grammys red carpet. I don't know if you guys saw that. No, that was a joke. He was wearing, like, a hat and a jacket, and she looks great. And it was like, they stun at the Grammys, Ray Big. They just run out of words. They don't know how else to tweet out stuff. And they couldn't say, like, he looked average. Yeah, look, I think. I think there's a nice way to do this. I think there's a nice way to tell somebody. And ultimately, as Rudy said, you're kind of doing that person a favor. But we're also talking about the emotional fragility of the person in the relationship. And we all know there's plenty of people you just can't say this to, and it's going to turn into some big thing. So, yeah, I think it's going to be a hard conversation where maybe you open it up and be like, hey, look, I got to ask. You look great. Nines across the board. This has been a complete win. I'm happy about you. I'm happy about the confidence. Everything else I'd like to shatter it right now, though, by letting you know you have absolute malware breath. So how good are you at discussing difficult things? And if you're bad at it, you got to go into this as soft as possible. Know your wife, know the opponent, know what's going on. How has she reacted to stuff like this in the past?
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Steve Ceruti
You know, yeah, if this is new, too, like, you might not even have your game face down. She might have. She might spot you holding your breath. You know what I mean? As you're like, I've done it before. Before I did that big, like, hey, before I let her know she had morning breath, there was a couple of times where, you know, I'm just turning away. I'm, like, looking at something else as she's talking directly to me. I don't think I was very covert about that either. So, you know, you might get found out in another way and then not have. You might be on your back foot when you explain what's going on. So I. I do it from your front foot.
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Ryan Rosillo
There you go. Okay, this one's intense. What's up, fellas? Six four, two thirty. Checking in from North Carolina. Pretty solid pickup, Hooper. Well, six, four and from North Carolina, I would. I would guess so. I catch at least a couple Jokic comps every time I play. However, I'm fully aware that's more of a reflection that I'm a big white dude with good vision and footwork and some MVP skill set. Okay, I've heard you all mention good times in Chapel Hill on a couple pods. So would I be. So, first, I would like to inquire about a potential live show in North Carolina. I don't know that we would ever. It's probably a no. Forever's a long time, as I like to say, but it's probably a no. But thank you for your interest. All right, getting into the reason of the email, my personal life has taken a complete nosedive in the past year. I have a good relationship with my mom. I've been dating the same girl, let's call her Sarah, for four years. Wait, Sarah? I think I know. Up until recently, I assumed all was well between them. We've been taking. We've taken a vacation together. So I imagine he's talking about not just his girlfriend. One vacation is the way he explains the rest of this. It's with the mother as well. Taking a vacation together. Double digit meetups throughout the years. They were never best friends necessarily, but there wasn't any notable tension. By the way, have you Guys ever done a vacation with your significant other and your family?
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Kyle
Yes.
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Steve Ceruti
No. All my other siblings brought somebody on the Long beach island vacation. Never. They didn't even let me bring a friend. They didn't even let me bring a friend. They were just like, this is enough. You just don't ask, you know? I was like, but Ellie could bring in and my brother. And they were just like, yeah, that's right. Okay.
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Kyle
We don't care.
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Ryan Rosillo
They have pre approval, Brody. Yeah. Right. So surgery.
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Steve Ceruti
Do you remember our development talks this year?
- [76:53]
Ryan Rosillo
Right. Was it with your wife and it was just, like, known.
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Kyle
What do you mean, known?
- [77:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, that she was your soulmate, your life partner.
- [77:04]
Kyle
I've done it multiple times that you.
- [77:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Were hitching your wagon to her. Oh, wow.
- [77:09]
Kyle
Yeah. Going back to, like, high school. We did it with the high school girlfriend. We? Yeah.
- [77:14]
Ryan Rosillo
God.
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Steve Ceruti
You slept on the couch in the. In the vacation house.
- [77:17]
Tim Hasselbeck
What'd you do?
- [77:18]
Kyle
No, actually, it was a hotel room. Two queen beds. I think we went to Newport. I forget where it was.
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Steve Ceruti
I don't think I could pull that off. So you mean, like, mom and dad are in that bed, and then me and my girlfriend are in the same room?
- [77:33]
Kyle
Yeah, but her dad was. He's right about it. Like, what are you gonna do? Like, we're three feet away from you.
- [77:38]
Steve Ceruti
Not even gonna sleep. I don't know.
- [77:41]
Ryan Rosillo
What are you gonna do? Look, I mean, you can pretend that there's those of us that have a conscience or are just so freaked out. Here's something. I thought about this, and I watched two episodes of Landman on the Flight. So this is top of mind right now. So Billy Bob Thorne is the main character. His daughter is just. Just unhinged. Come on.
- [78:00]
Steve Ceruti
Yeah.
- [78:01]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, just everything. Like a nightmare daughter because she's gorgeous and, you know, she's. I think she's, like, 17 in the show. And, you know, she's got this boyfriend who's, you know, just a stud and the whole thing. And basically, he's divorced from the mother of this daughter. And the divorced. The. God, I suck today. The divorced wife is. Is Ali Larder. Right? So all she does is, like, FaceTime him throughout the. I'm kind of over that part of it a little bit, but she just gets on and does these facetimes with Billy Bob, and they just complain about marriage, whatever. And so then she's like, look, you have to take care of my daughter. I'm going to Cabo. Like, she's going to stay with you because I don't want her to stay here because she has a boyfriend. And if we leave him here at the house, like, it's just not going to happen, especially if you see the boyfriend. And so Billy Bob's like, all right, fine. So they send her to his side of Texas, and she gets off the plane. I guess it was a private plane or something. She gets off the plane with the new boyfriend, right? And she's like, meet my dad. And the dad's like, he was not part of the deal. And then it made me realize, like, all of us that were the guys in the relationships that were brought home to the girlfriend's house for, like, a stayover in that college age range. It's the worst thing you can ever do to a guy. Like, there's a standard. But I just, I remember my freshman year was dating a girl that was, like, conveniently on the way to me getting back to Martha's Jr. Me getting back to Martha Jr. Was just a pain in the ass all the time during college breaks. And she was like, no, just come and stay, and then you can, like, get the bus the next day. And I was like, I really don't want to stay at your dad's house. I just really, I don't want to stay at your dad's house. She's like, no, he's great. He'll love you. I was like, he cannot by law love me in that situation, because here's this dude who comes rolling in, fucking his daughter's 18. I'm 18. We've been right.
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Steve Ceruti
You were just a myth before this point. He didn't put a face. It was just like, maybe, but maybe not.
- [79:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, right? I was holding out hope, but, like, the reality is this guy is 18 and she's 18, and they're on their own and they're having sleepovers. And, like, now you're going to walk this guy to my fucking house right before Thanksgiving, And I have to, like, realize how real it is, even if, you know, your daughter was doing stuff in high school or whatever. So I don't know. I, I was always decent in those settings, probably because all the estimates. And then I, I, I'm like, on the couch. And he's like, you know, you're staying on the couch tonight. I was like, I want to stay on the couch tonight, sir. Like, I am, I am on the couch. I love this couch. Don't worry about it.
- [80:33]
Kyle
I'll own this couch, gentleman.
- [80:35]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't worry about it.
- [80:36]
Kyle
Yeah, right?
- [80:39]
Ryan Rosillo
And then he goes to bed, and then.
- [80:45]
Steve Ceruti
Like, no, please don't you know.
- [80:48]
Ryan Rosillo
She, like, comes in, she's like, I want to watch Law and Order with you. And I was like, all right, but don't, like, come on. Like, I think I can take your dad. Although then I can take anybody. I was like, I don't. I was like, I don't want to. I don't want to be in this spot. And she was like, oh. She's like, they're old, right?
- [81:08]
Steve Ceruti
You're the only one who wants this. I don't want this. I don't want this.
- [81:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, like, you're me here, but, like, you can't. And then, of course, it just ends up being like, well, let's just go for a ride. And like, whatever. And I was like, all right. So the parents knew we left the house after they went to the bed. And then, you know, everybody goes their separate ways. And then I'm on the couch in the morning and I'm waking up to a hot, hot living room.
- [81:35]
Kyle
Yep. Like, you're the bad guy.
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Ryan Rosillo
They're. They're so pissed at me. They're so pissed at me. And I was just like, all I could think of. And I guess I didn't quite understand it as well at that time, but now when I was watching this TV show, just to the women out there, I doubt there's a ton of college age women listening to this podcast, but you thinking like, oh, I can't wait to introduce him to the family. Just wait until 25. You're going to break up with this guy anyway. You're going to break up with a guy after this anyway. Just wait until like, 25, 26, when it's a little bit more real. Because that guy doesn't want to be there. Your dad doesn't want that guy to be there. And all they're doing is speaking in a language without words as they look at each other, knowing that the answer is yes to all of this stuff. Like, they're having some telepathic Charles Xavier type shit. So. All right, wait, we had email here, right?
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Steve Ceruti
That was the beginning of the email. Right?
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Ryan Rosillo
It was the beginning of the email. We're not even going on vacations. We're not even close.
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Steve Ceruti
That is incredible how that shit happens.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, that's impressive. So a couple months ago, on a recent visit with me, my mom expressed that she didn't think Sarah liked her and asked if Sarah would come over so that they could get to know each other better. Sarah had a friend's birthday dinner that night, which is why I had not asked her to come over in the first place. However, I figured she could come over afterwards and told her about my mom's feelings. Sarah insisted that she did not want to cut her night short. Kyle Thumbnail this one Even after I expressed that I thought it was very important and a favor to me. So you wanted your girlfriend to end her girl's night out birthday party thing early so that she could come over to your house and work it out with with your mom and talk about each other's feelings? Dude, that's the wrong call. Eventually, Sarah broke down and said she didn't like my mom and included quite a few reasons why Controlling, manipulative, irritable. I didn't necessarily disagree with Sarah, but I insisted that this was a favor to me, not my mom. Sarah did not end up coming over, but while my mom was disappointed, she did not say anything. The next day the situation exploded and went from a 3 to a 10 in severity. My mom insisted Sarah was a horrible person and that she wanted to tear our family apart, eventually demanding I break up with her. I was incredibly confused what escalated the situation at this point. However, today, in an argument over the phone, my mom, she revealed that she had read my text messages that night and was appalled that I had let my girlfriend speak about her in that way. As y'all could expect, I feel incredibly violated. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Sarah means a lot to me and I love her very much. However, it's very hard to envision a future together with this cloud looming over me. At the same time, I feel incredibly uncomfortable with the idea of succumbing to the situation and demand my mom has now created. My relationship with my family is severely declined and things are pretty awkward when I go home. In the effort of being completely transparent, I was already unsure on if Sarah was quote the one prior to this situation. Please let me know what Yalls thoughts are and thank you for creating something which brings me joy. Sorry for the long email details that may answer questions if they arise. All right, you want to bang these out ahead of time. I am not overly worried about my girlfriend my mom finding out about this email as I'm pretty confident that nobody they regularly interact with listen to the show know never know. I'm very close to my mom but fully recognize their flaws. Both Sarah and I are 22 years old. Okay, that's important.
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Kyle
Important.
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Ryan Rosillo
I have a small immediate family consisting solely of my little brother, my mom and her boyfriend. They've remained somewhat neutral throughout these events. My girlfriend and I live in separate apartments in the rally area. My mom lives in. Wait, wait, wait. Well, now we're all right. She lives hours away.
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Steve Ceruti
People in Raleigh.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, they. Okay, all right. So there was just a lot of details there going on. All right, look, man, you're young, so, you know, whether or not she's the one or whatever. Like, I still think it's super important for young people around this time to kind of, like, figure out, like, what your path and what your priorities are, because things are going to change. You're going to learn all these different things about yourself, all these things that you've assumed that were so important. Years later, you're not going to know that you were wrong about a bunch of this, but there's nothing you can do about that. I can't help you. There's no episode for that part of your life. A couple things that I don't like here. Your mom going through your phone is all right. And that is like, for her to sit there and then get on your case because you didn't defend her to your. Well, by the way, it's like, hey, Mom, I didn't know you were going to be reading these texts. And there are plenty of people that we all care about in our life that if somebody said something about them in a text, you wouldn't sit there and act like Camelot being like, I need you to immediately refrain and, you know, like, strike that comment from the record. You know, so if somebody were that were being insulted were to read it third party and go through your phone and be like, oh, he had my back here. Nobody talks to each other that way. That's why when I hear about, like, never any payoff.
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Steve Ceruti
Buy a lotto ticket. You have a better chance of getting payoff from that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, there was, I think, a wife hack amongst the dudes at one point, and the wife was like, I can't believe, like, you said this about me. And it was like, yeah, you were being a pain in the ass. And I said, you were being a pain in the ass. Like, you want to. You seriously want to put your hand in the Bible and say you've never bitched about me to any of your friends after bar.
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Kyle
Like, I'm not saying you're an idiot. You're acting like an idiot.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right? Right. So you asked your girlfriend to leave her friends at a super inconvenient time to come out. She should say no to that every time. Actually, she's more of a keeper because she said no to that. Because it's an Insane request for her to have to be like, post hanging out with her friends, leave early, and then be like, let me kick it over here and have this weird emotional showdown with this guy. Also, I think at 22, your mom's probably very possessive. So, like, you're pointing to your girlfriend's critiques of your mother who says, like, all of those three adjectives, which all become incredibly true towards the end of the email. And you agree with your girlfriend that your mom's doing a lot of this stuff. So, look, Sarah may not be the one, but your mom is probably in this weird, like, extended parental power vacuum right now. Yeah.
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Steve Ceruti
Family small. The less people, the more power.
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Ryan Rosillo
You're 22, but you just graduated college. She thinks you're 12, you know, and she's probably a little too invested. And at some point, all of us have to get to a point where it's like, I don't want to marry my mom. I want to marry that other person.
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Steve Ceruti
Yeah, I think this is, like, pretty, like, Freddy Kitchens level play calling from you, like, trying to set up this girl. Was she out with her friends? Like, like, maybe drunk? Like, you don't even know. Like, you just, you tried. Like, that's like a run up that got on fourth and nine or something.
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Ryan Rosillo
Kyle.
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Steve Ceruti
Just like, come on.
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Ryan Rosillo
Can you imagine 8, 8 deep text of Kyle at Frolic Room on a Saturday night being like, hey, hey, maybe.
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Steve Ceruti
You can come home a Bill Simmons emergency pod while we're at it. You know, it's like, that makes more sense.
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Ryan Rosillo
But what if your wife was like, hey, my mom is here and wants to work some things out.
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Steve Ceruti
Yeah, right. Why would you even. Like, you have to, you have to cut that play out of the sheet.
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Ryan Rosillo
It can't.
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Steve Ceruti
You can't do that. So the fact that you. And then, and then we're trying to make her feel bad about it, like, do it for me. Do it for me like this. You're going to get the worst of all of this. If that actually happened, if she showed up and then. Listen, I'm not going to beat you up for leaving your phone out and let your mom go through it, but, you know, you did kind of allow that to happen, so. Listen, I think you already talked about it. Like, I think she. It's a very small family. She commands a lot of, of, you know, attention. There isn't like, you know, sounds like your dad's not around to take the edge off and be like, hey, can you talk to her? So, you know, I feel for you there that you Know, you have to. You have to navigate this, you know, kind of shitty situation, especially if she feels like the family's small. She probably holds on to her kids a little bit tighter than the average bear would at that point. So I think. I think this is just becoming sort of like, hey, I'm growing up and I. And we need to have some boundaries here. And we've had a. We had a life advice email before where Ryan actually did a good job of saying what you need to say. Forget exactly what he said, but the through line is basically like, hey, I'm. You got to loosen the grip a little bit here. And. And maybe you just. Maybe it's not going to work out with this person. Not saying the relationship isn't going to work out, but maybe it's not going to work out that they're best fucking friends and they go on their own little, you know, tea dates or whatever, you know, women do together. Like, maybe that's just not going to happen. And you'll just. They'll see each other at Thanksgiving and Christmas and, you know, a stressful Long beach island trip. I don't know, but I think. I think the headline should be like, mom, this cannot go on. This part cannot go on.
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Kyle
Yeah, I guess this would be easier if you were more. I mean, again, you're 22, so it's hard, but, like, if you were more convinced that, like, this could be the actual girl. But I do think it's a good situation where you can, like, it's a good excuse to, like, reset the boundaries with your mom. And, you know, I don't. I don't think you have to, like, be a dick about it, but, you know, clearly show that you're mad. Clearly show that she went over the line, that this is, like, not an acceptable form of behavior. And, you know, I wouldn't, like, give her the, you know, the. The silent treatment or something like that. But I think that, like, you need to do something to show her that, like, what she did is not acceptable and kind of reset the boundaries between you and her, because clearly she doesn't respect that. And, yeah, I know some of. Some of that is, like, what you said, Ryan, that she just thinks you're probably younger than you really are. But, like, from everything you said, like, this is a. A pretty troubling mom trait and needs to kind of be corrected. And, you know, I guess there's probably a reason that your girlfriend doesn't like her in the first place, so. I don't know.
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Steve Ceruti
Yeah, she's the Only one with fresh eyes. I don't know. She's manipulating everyone.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Steve Ceruti
Just so you know, like, I know you can't see it, but I don't.
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Kyle
Know how you fix that, though. That's gonna be.
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Steve Ceruti
That's the type of mom you have. That's just the truth.
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Kyle
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Kyle
But now. Now, like, the mom's gonna blame the girlfriend for, you know, if you got. If. If you guys become more distant, like.
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Steve Ceruti
Can'T put that back in the bottle. Yeah, that's out there.
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Kyle
It's kind of on. On the relationship a little bit. So I don't know.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, but you guys just said something like, you know, it's your mom. Can you fix it? Well, can you fix it if you've never attempted to fix it? And I think that's the conclusion that I have on this email. Is that. All right, so say Sarah isn't the one. Or say that this dynamic is all messed up. All right, that sucks. And eventually you won't care, right? You just won't. You'll move on to the next thing. But this needs to be a moment that your mother remembers. This needs to be a moment where you go to her and you go, hey, guess what? Like, I get it, you know, you're protective of me. You're my mom, and you're always going to have my best interest. But the fact that you feel like it's okay for you to betray me, to go through my phone and then use these pieces of information that I don't even realize you have against me, like, how long do you think that's going to go on? Like, when do you think that's still acceptable? Because you seem to think it's acceptable now, but at some point, like, that's not going to be acceptable. At some point, it's not going to be for you to determine who I end up spending my life. Life with, who I date, and ultimately who I marry. And even if she tells you no and, like, I don't know if she's smart enough or to figure it out, or sometimes you argue with somebody who isn't that smart, it's even more frustrating because they're just like, no, no, you know, and just like, all right, whatever. But, like, think about it. Your girlfriend is accusing your mother of the thing that your mother is admitting to executing. So can you tell your mother, all right, fine. Sarah doesn't like you. You don't like Sarah. All these. But the things she's accused you of, you just did. You just did all of those things to me. You are this manipulative. You are this, like, overpowering. So fine, okay, that's what it is with this one or whatever. But like, do you think there'll be an age where you don't think it's right for you to do this anymore? Because it's already happened and you need to accept it because that day is coming. Like you, you, you're pushing it off. But like, this whole thing needs to be a moment that alters the path of the river. Okay. And that's what I think the reward is in all, even if you lose the current day. But you're six four, dude. It'll be fun. Today's Life advice was brought to you by Amazon Business, the ultimate time saving tool for business buyers. Visit business.Amazon.com to learn more. Okay, so the plan is if there were some big Durant trade or whatever, by the time we were taping this, we would have thrown it in. It seems like everybody thinks he's going to be on the move here, but there's so many different versions of this thing that I think have gotten shot down. So I don't really have much on that. I'll add something, but if we don't have anything. Saruti. I think the plan would just be full episode on Friday. I may jump in. Bill has a two parter tomorrow, so everything's been kind of on hold just because of the Durant rumors.
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Kyle
You want to give us 30 seconds on Middleton, Kuzma?
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Ryan Rosillo
I think Middleton can still play a little bit Kuzma, little more dynamic probably at this stage of his career. But really this has to do with the financial ledger, which most of these trades will be about the next, I don't know, 24 hours. So 27 hours. Yeah, that's all I got for you. So again, that'll do it for us. We have a full Friday show. Troy Aikman, Brian Curtis, Trent Dilfer will be on Monday show after the Super Bowl. So we'll have a normal schedule and maybe I jump on the Thursday thing if there's something significant enough to do it or if something happens later today, I may just post it, separate it or tack it onto this pod a little bit later. So that's what we got. That's the plan. Brian Rosilla podcast and also on YouTube. Please subscribe, ring our Spotify foreign.
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Tim Hasselbeck
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