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Another Brutal Tua Pick, Plus Best Rookies and the 2026 QB Class With Daniel Jeremiah
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Ryan Rosillo
We got some Thursday Night Football to recap, but the bigger stuff we're going to do today is Daniel Jeremiah. He's going to hang out for almost an hour. I want to talk about the development side of some of these QBs, if we still should hold out hope for some of the other guys. He's going to talk about the big impact rookies, not just quarterbacks, the guys on the defensive side of the ball that he's absolutely loved. One offensive lineman in particular. We just have a really fun kind of expansive football conversation. And I think the part at the end that's still a bit incomplete from Jeremiah because he really digs into the college guys, the quarterbacks. He's done summer tape, but the new tape for 25 is October. But looking at this class of potential first rounders in 26 and where he kind of classifies them now and that part of it was a lot of fun. And again, I'll spend some time on TUA and third down, what he was seeing, what he wasn't seeing in the loss last night at Buffalo. 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Paid Endorsement we're going to spend some more time on this with Daniel Jeremiah, who's going to join us. We're going to run through a bunch of different stuff, but I want to just go over last night's win for Buffalo coming into the game and looking at Miami's injury report and the fact that you had two starting corners that were basically kind of scrap heap guys and another one goes down. You're like, all right, well Buffalo's going to run away with this game at some point, even though on the defensive side for them, Oliver out, who was terrific last week, and Milano, who I think is one of the better linebackers in the league and has struggled with health a couple times. The last, I would say, what, two of the last three years. So this episode is brought to you by Viori. Viori isn't just activewear, it's a game changer. Their stuff is next level comfortable. Like, why didn't I get these sooner comfortable? Their Sunday Performance joggers, made with four way performance stretch fabric, are insanely soft and actually look good outside the gym too. Go to Vuory.com Ryan R Y E N to get 20% off your first purchase with Vuori and enjoy free shipping on all US orders over $75 plus free returns. Exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. I really wanted to dig into TUA on third down because I don't know where you're at with him. You know, Dominic Foxworth said something really funny, but it was also kind of smart with Kevin Clark on Clark's podcast, where Foxworth basically was like, josh Allen has ruined it for every other fan base with a struggling or developing quarterback. Despite what Bill's fans oddly want to push and they don't do it anymore because the guy's won MVP and he's been terrific and he's arguably the best quarterback in the league is that he wasn't very good in the beginning and it looked pretty bad. And I remember he did an interview with Chris Long where I remember watching the game where he was like a disaster in the first half against the Patriots and just looking at how careless he was with some of these throws. And Allen references that game in this interview. I think he did. Maybe it was last summer. I don't know. I'll lose track of this stuff where he was just like, I had to kind of change my approach a little bit. And I think we still, despite the gaudy numbers, were looking at Allen probably two years ago. Like, remember there was the throw in 23. No, it would have been maybe 22. There was a throw against Cincinnati where it was like second down. He was backed up deep, they didn't need it. And he tried to like throw a ball in there and you're like, do you still have this in you? A little bit. There was a few more interceptions than you want and now he's like, Basically perfect, right? He's perfect. Despite some of those early years developing. And again I'd reference that bill's part where like they started tweeting out this petition of like why I wouldn't admit that Josh Allen was good. It's like, well, he wasn't, he wasn't that good in the beginning. Like you didn't know where his career was going to go and now it's totally worked out. And the point that Foxworth made was because Allen has become this, every other fan base that has any kind of quarterback is going like, oh well, don't worry about it. It's kind of like that Peyton Manning thing where any rookie QB that throws a ton of interceptions, you're like, well look what happened Peyton Manning his rookie year. And you're like, yeah. And he was also kind of Peyton Manning. Sure there were a lot of picks. He was number one overall pick, probably one of the cleanest prospects ever at the position. And it totally worked out to Super Bowl's hall of Fame career. There's sometimes that stuff will happen with Brady, but you'd had to have been around for those early Brady years to understand that he was somebody that looked like he was going to be this game managing quarterback, which seems absurd 20 years later but, but they didn't really want him to throw that first super bowl run. They didn't want him to throw at all. They had a great defense, they wanted to run the football and they didn't want to put anything on him. And then slowly over the next couple of years he becomes, you know, Ian Manning going back and forth for the belt and that became maybe more of a statistical debate at the time. So whenever there's a quarterback in a spot and I think you could also throw Lamar into this stuff, it wasn't, it wasn't awesome. Right away you wondered if he was going to find that accuracy in the mid level throws that he didn't necessarily have at Louisville where it felt like the harder throws were easier for him and the easy throws were harder for him and now he's about as clean as it gets at the position. So I'm watching Tua. And Tua is someone that the first coaching staff had zero confidence in whatsoever. And We've talked about McDaniel in the past about his job was to come in and fix Tua. And if that's what the job was, despite where they're at now at 03 and him being the odds on favorite to be the first coach fired this season, he had to fix Tua. And in a way he did. But now we have these conversations about quarterbacks in the NFL where it's like, okay, is this guy actually that good? Because here are all these stats that would say, like, traditionally, hey, that's a pretty good quarterback. And he was putting up those kinds of numbers. And there was a lot of debate of like, hey, is this guy a top 10 quarterback? Like, look at some of these numbers. Look at what McDaniel's done with this offense. And then it's a bit like the baseball prospect that gets called up and he's hitting the COVID off the ball and then everybody figures he can't. Like they figure out he can't handle anything on the inside, right? And then you either adjust or you don't. And it feels like Tua is now in the second year of the pitchers adjusting to him. And so I really wanted to look at the third down because, like, last night's just a classic, classic NFL game. The Bills look like they're in complete control. They clearly look like the better team through the first 30 minutes. And then Tua puts together this touchdown drive. You're like, how the hell is this game? 1414 at the half, but that's the NFL for you. So that's what makes it entertaining. And it was still 21, 21. And you're like, this game is actually still in doubt, even though again, Buffalo looked like the clearly better team. So if I'm looking at some of the third down stuff, which I think is really important here to try to figure out, like, what are teams doing to Tua, how are they respond? Is there something to take from last night? You're like, well, if Tua and McDaniel can do more of this, they might be able to figure this thing out this season, at least offensively. But with all these injuries and this bad start already, like, I don't think any Dolphins fans necessarily have their hopes up right now. First series, scripted hits, a third yard pass, hits a third and one eight yard run, another run in. So some runs there, but he's three of three on third down to start the game. Left guard there, by the way, for Miami. Terrific on that drive. So second possession, he's got a third and five. They show the blitz. It looks like they're sending the entire house. They back out of it. They send for. He fumbles the snap. Did he fumble the snap? Because he was freaking out about like one of the most aggressive pre snap looks that we saw from the entire night. There's another one in the second half. But that was the one where I'm like, are they going to. Are they going to send. Is this going to be the thing that they're going to do tonight? They're going to have to get extra pressure because Oliver's out was not the case. And that was kind of the theme throughout the night. On a lot of these third downs, Buffalo sent four pretty consistently. I only counted one six man rush on the third downs. I was looking at again this morning. So then you have a next, the next possession, third nine, they send four. He rolls out to his left. It's that sideline throw he tried to get a couple times to the left side that he never really had a chance on. So incompletion there's on the touchdown drive before the half runs out. So third and 12, they send five. That was right after he threw that ball out to hn where Engel didn't get any kind of seal whatsoever on the defensive player for Buffalo. And Achan gets absolutely crushed. And now they're backed up, it's third and 12, they send five. He's rolling left again, but Hill stays right, not on the sideline. Like he just finds a soft spot coming right to left and makes a great catch. And you know, Tua keeps that alive long enough to be able to get some separation for his receiver and he's wide open. Third and 10 later in the same possession, they sent only four. And then Hill catches a short of the sticks and Hill makes the play on this one. Keep the sticks moving. It was also kind of interesting because they converted another third and seven. They sent only four two runs for the first down. And then I'm thinking, are they playing for the field goal? What are they doing here on the timeouts? And I know all of us that have ever played video games cannot stand how weird the timeout situation becomes with NFL teams. But they lost like six seconds. And you don't know, like, you don't know at that point what's going to happen. They run the clock down to 30 seconds before they even get the timeout in. Nothing nearly as egregious as what Todd Bowles did, who I like a lot. But whatever he was doing on Monday night, I still won't figure out. But it'll be lost forever because it doesn't matter because Baker and the Bucks won that game. Third and three, they send four again. Hill gets a first down quick off to the right side, and then a nice throw to waddle and it's 1414 and I'm at home going how did this happen? So again, consistent. Not a ton of pressure there other than sending five on that third and 12. So we get in the second half, there's a third and 11, they sent five again. He takes the deep shot to Tyreek Hill into double coverage. It's not even close. It doesn't even look like anything close. It's the only real deep shot. There was another kind of intermediate throw, maybe 20 plus yards. I know that's considered explosive, but that was a little bit later. But that, that throw on third and 11, it was like, hey, I guess I'll try to throw a deep once. And it wasn't even close. They had a third and four in the next possession because these are two, three and outs. They send four again. He throws it away to Wash or actually he threw it away, but he missed Washington, which Herb street points out on the broadcast. It's like, look, if you get the ball out quick, it's good to go. And I think that was important. It's like if he can just get the ball out quick maybe a few more times. And it seemed like he was moved off his spot more because of the coverage than it was because of the pass rush. That was overwhelming. And by the way, Bosa with the Bills so far a couple weeks in, he looks good. He's winning a lot of one on one matchups. I'm not watching every single snack snap from him, but it feels like, you know, without the pressure number or the tackle for loss or without the sack stuff that will count up to see how good edge guys are. He is really, I think he's really disruptive and he's, he's causing a lot of chaos through there. So then they get the touchdown on a third and 14. They have the lateral play for 10 yards. Fourth and four waddle. Huge catch and just a really good chance for Tyree Kill on the touchdown throw. Where this is the thing I'm noticing. Hey, you're down in this spot. It's getting late in the game. You're going to have to elevate your risk. You're going to have to take a few more chances. It's not like Hill was a contested catch, but at least he threw it. Knowing Hill's going to probably separate from anybody with that much space and gave him a bit of a chance again. Touchdown. This, this game is tied again. And I'm, I'm in disbelief. And then we have the interception. Possession, third and eight. They sent six again. I think it's the only time in a third down I said, I'm sending any more than five. He tries to get it to Waddle and he converts that. Third and four. He hits Waddle again. Bill's only sent four. He got it out really quick to Waddle on the first one. The next one was Waddle getting some separation and then first and 10. Bernard, the interception, who I did look up his 40 time was like, did you think there was like 10 seconds left in the game? 4, 5, 9 at the combine. He just doesn't even see him at all. So to finish this up here, like, there's some. There's some decent stuff out of this. So I don't want to make it like, hey, he sucks. I mean, it's brutal that he's coming off a last week where he throws the pick and then on fourth down takes a sack when you can't do that. But it felt like the times that he was quick and had to let it rip was when he looked at his best. And the only time he ever looked like that last night was when he didn't have a choice. So I don't know if that's figuring this out with McDaniel. You think with Waddle and Hill that there'd be enough there. And I don't know that the O line was losing all night last night. But he's quick to move out. And once he moves out, just like Herb street said in his production meetings with the defensive side of the ball, with the Bill staff, you know, he's like, we got to get him off of his spot. He's got to get him off his spot. He brings that up during the broadcast. But the fact that there's so many one read looks and then it's right to the flat every single time. He was 4.3 yards per attempt last night and yet they were still in this game. Because I think you could make an argument. I don't know if this Bill's defense is getting us to the point where we think they're going to carry him to the super bowl. But it kind of brought me back to Foxworth's point is that we will sit here for years with some quarterbacks wondering if it's ever going to click and it's going in the wrong direction. But maybe the positive is, is that when they look at the film this week, they'll go when Tua had no choice but to be quick with the football. That's when he actually played his best up until clearly not seeing Bernard at all. And just one of those rookie type interceptions where you're not accounting for a defender and you're assuming as you get rid of the ball, we'll do more of this with Daniel Jeremiah. The Ryan Rosillo Podcast is brought to you by FanDuel. Ready to fire up your Saturdays? FanDuel's got a boost you don't want to miss. It's called boosting with the boys and it's giving everyone a college football profit boost every single week. So here's how it works. Each week we're giving everyone a profit boost to use on college football. No invite only nonsense. Everyone gets the boost. 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Join the wait list@scoutmotors.com Concept vehicles not available for sale. Features and performance specifications are preliminary and subject to change. Joining the wait list does not guarantee purchase. Visit scoutmotors.com for details. It's early. I do want to have an episode titled that. It's no longer early, but we want to talk with Daniel Jeremiah because we'd like to talk to him as much as possibly can. NFL Network analyst and host the Move the Sticks podcast available multiple times a week with Bucky Brooks and you can see him on NFL Game Day morning Sundays at 9am Eastern on NFL Network. All right man, let's a little bit off of last night and you can kind of go wherever you want with it. But you know, you look at somebody like Tua and we saw these highs and now it feels a bit like a hitter which the league has adjusted to and it's gone on for a while. I thought I saw some good things when he was decisive late. So I don't want to, like, completely abandon it, but whatever that high high was, it just doesn't seem like it's attainable anymore for him.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Well, it's interesting. I, I, I was away last night, so I didn't watch the game on television. So I just watched the tape this morning. And it's always fun when you do that because you're kind of divorced from any narratives that have presented themselves through a broadcast and just kind of watch it. And I'm watching it, and I see, you know, I see a drop on a deep ball. I believe it was Tyreek, which would have been a big play somewhat early. I see another deep, deep opportunity where they're going to have a shot at a chunk play. You got a receiver that falls on the ground, so you, like, take a couple of those things out of it. And then I'm like, I don't know how much more you you're going to get from him with the design of what they're doing. Like, you just, it's, it's designed for the ball to come out right now. It's designed for everything to be quick. And he's, that's what he is. Like, we talked about him when he was coming out. He's like a card dealer at a Vegas table. Like, just, just get it, just distribute it real quick underneath. I've never seen more companion screens in my life where you've got a dedicated blocker and then you're just trying to zip a scre there to him. So when I watched it, I thought, okay, I thought he was, you know, fairly decisive. There's a couple plays where he escapes. He had a nice little run, and then they're moving the ball at the end of the game. And I had seen Kurt Warner's breakdown on that play before I saw it on the film. And when I watched it on the film, I'm like, look, I, I would, I'm not ever going to disagree with Kurt. And then I watch it, I'm like, oh, my gosh, Kurt just nailed this 100% right? But when you get the inside receiver, who's, and you've got, you've got a read on the outside where you've got kind of a high, low read, and you've got that inside linebacker, that inside receiver has to attack him, has to take an inside release and at least slow him down or grab his eyes. He doesn't. And he allows Bernard to Just, just run clean underneath that thing and pick it and take it. So I know there's other people talking about, oh, he, you know, he locked on or he's, you know, he's telegraphing what have you. Like, that's not. That was 100% on that slot receiver taking a terrible release and not holding that backer. So I didn't think that particular game was a terrible to a game after watching it on tape. But I don't love the, I don't love the design of what they're doing and maybe that's just simply because they feel like they have to protect him health wise and offensive line wise. It's still, you know, forever a work in progress there in Miami, but there's just nothing. There's only a handful of opportunities to push the ball down the field. You get one drop, you get one slip and it's like there's just nothing there.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it reminds me a little bit of like some of these college offenses that light it up because they want to get wide on stuff. They. I remember like Gundy back in the day and I, we had him in studio and I just was like, what's up with all the bubble screens? Like what? And he goes, because, you know, if we're going to run this many plays and their interior defensive guys have to keep chasing this out, like, it's like the handoff to try to wear you down physically. We're trying to wear you down physically by chasing all this stuff that you think isn't necessarily working, but we know is making them run all of. And it was an awesome, awesome description. I know nobody wants to hear Gundy's offensive breakdowns right now. If you look at Oklahoma State's numbers right now in college football. But when I see the kind of first quick thing, he doesn't seem to want to pull the trigger. And then it's defaulting to these line of scrimmage throws and you start to wonder, it's like, is it become easier for the defense knowing I don't even necessarily have to worry about him going through some of these breaks, progressions because it doesn't feel like a big like reading through progression setup that they have for him right now. And it may speak to just going, we can't have him back there cycling through three different routes knowing what he's dealt with with the concussions.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I think that's got to be a part of it. And I would even say there's times in that game, Ryan, where I see him get to number four and normally when you get to number four like that deep in the progression, like there's a big play to be had and it is number four and we are five yards down the field on the backside of a route where he has worked all the way through, and then there's no payoff. So I'm like, I don't know. You know, I don't know if that's just the way they've kind of set this thing up and designed it, but, man, there's just not a vertical element or presence to, to what they're doing. And they're, they're, they're pattern matching them so easily now, where they've just got a feel for. If I've got one here, I know the other one's going there. And you're just seeing just kind of defenders just attach and magnetize themselves to these guys.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I don't know, it's a weird, kind of a weird watch when you, when you go through and look at it, because it's. I'm sitting there going like, well, if I was just grading this out, I wouldn't say to a played terribly, but there's no production.
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Ryan Rosillo
So a bigger point here because, you know, I don't know when it dawned on me. It's like, you sit there and you've got the witching hour and it's like all these games are close. Like, how did this happen? And sometimes it's as simple as just, you know, giving the ball to the other team and you're giving up possessions and next thing you know, it's, it's 2417. You're like, all right, this team has a chance. And last night's another one of those examples. So. Was there ever a time when you worked in a front office? I think I might know the answer to this. Based on the quarterbacks that you had at the time where the philosophy was, okay, we know we don't, we don't have a game changer, all right, he's not going to save us every Sunday. But the way the sport is played, can we, can we hang around? Can we build our team to be a hangaround in the fourth quarter team and then see what the record. If the ball bounces our way, we end up at 10 wins and it looks like we had a good season. I, I don't know if a front office would get together and pitch it to the ownership and say, we're just, we're not going to be that good. We're not going to be that dynamic. But the sport lets the lesser talented team hang around just because of the math. Was that ever anything you guys talked about in roster build?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, my time in Baltimore, we were a dominant, dominant defense and I think the, the two elements that have to go along with that, but I don't know that teams ever get that totally right is okay, you got a dominant defense, so you need to have a runner, you need to have a big time runner to complement that because they're going to keep your offense on the field. At least give your dominant defense a little bit of a blow. It just shrinks the game. I think about it like having a great bullpen. It makes it so you're playing five inning games instead of a nine inning game. And the third element of that is you better have a freaking good kicker because you're not going to be able to finish drives, you're not going to be able to sustain things offensively if you're limited like that. So like we had, we had Matt Stover who was automatic, you know, from 52 in, and then you had Jamal Lewis who could, who could eat some, some clock, give our defense a little bit of a blow. And every week you'd look up in the fourth quarter and it's a 16, 13ish type game. And the thing about that is the more of those games that you find yourself in, the more ways, the more comfortable you are being in those situations and knowing how to, how to navigate to the, to the winner circle. So I think those are, it still works, man. It's, it's not aesthetically pleasing. It's kind of an ugly, ugly way to play. But you still see it. I mean I, the, the Chargers have gone from that with, you know, they're, they play really, really good defense. They're, I think they're the best red zone defense all of last year and they're doing a great job in the red zone again this year. And then they've got an unbelievable kicker and now everybody's like, gosh, the Chargers have taken the next step and I'm like, yeah, because they played that kind of brand of football last year and now they've got some more weapon weapons for Justin Herbert and now they can, they can play aggressively offensively and try and run some points up. And that's when you get the, I mean to me that's when you get a team that's capable of winning a Super bowl when you can add that element to it.
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Ryan Rosillo
I just hope we get to see Keenan Allen out there all Year long, because it's like, you know, it's fun and, you know, he's healthy and, you know, he went through the summer and it's like, okay, this is. I mean, to still be doing it and to still look this good early in the season, I mean, it's a huge, huge factor for them.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I want to ask you a question on that because I, I asked Harbaugh about this last week, and if you go back.
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Ryan Rosillo
Same answer.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, exactly. But if you go back and look at, like, the Peyton Manning Colts teams, one of the, to me, the underrated aspects of that team was how smart everybody was. It's one thing you have an incredibly smart quarterback, but then when you pair an incredibly smart quarterback with Dallas Clark, with Marvin Harrison, with Stokely, Reggie Wayne, incredible football intelligence, like all those guys, incredibly smart football smart guys, then you can, you can continue to layer your offense on top of each other. You think about Tom and how he played, and like Edelman, they're both so smart. They play together for a long time. You can just keep building things on top of it. And the Chargers, when you talk to their guys, I'm like, this is one of the smarter teams I've been around in the 20 years. When you, like, talk to Joe Alt, you talk to McConkey. Keenan's incredibly smart. Like, they've got a lot. Zion Johnson's, you know, a brilliant guy up front. They've got a lot of really, really smart players and what an advantage it is for them to be able to. To kind of build something and grow something going forward. So my thought to Harbaugh was like, in all sports, is that like kind of just an underrated aspect, if you think about great teams, of just the overall intelligence in that within that sport?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I remember the old. I don't know if it was a Bill thing or a Peoli thing, but, you know, if you want a smart team, draft smart players. And it's just going to be so tempting to go, yeah, but this guy runs a 4, 2.
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Daniel Jeremiah
But what's the NBA equivalent of that? Like, who would you say was like, the smartest, like a smart team that had an incredible run?
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, I mean, it's easy to pick the warriors for any example here because I still think that five with Durant's the best starting five in the history of the league. But if you go pre Durant, you know, my favorite thing about what Kurt did with that group, and it also starts too, is like when you have a Duncan as the main guy.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
In San Antonio, then It's like, well, I'm not going to get away with any of my shit. Like Stephen Jackson his entire career. And then guess what, he gets to San Antonio and he fits right in because of Duncan. And the same thing happened with Curry. So it sounds like I'm not directly answering your question right now, but Curry, if Curry is going to set screens and then if he's going to re screen, and if Curry is going to play every possession till the very end of the shot clock, then no one has any excuse to do anything differently. So clearly Golden State was really smart and Kerr installed an offense. It's like, we are so dangerous in so many different areas of the court, but we've spread everybody out so much too. It's like, all you have to do is if you're off the ball, cut. If you're off the ball, set a screen for somebody. If you set a screen, it doesn't work. You know, cut away, turn back around, re screen again. And when one of the best players in the history of the game is doing all of these things, it's just a joy to watch. Especially when you watch some of these other teams. It's like, okay, here we go. Take your time. You're running the shot clock down on yourself. You're setting a high ball screen, you're reading where the help's coming, you're reading the corners. And then it's like, okay, well, if this one action doesn't work, then no one else is doing anything. And so that to me is like, it's one the star setting the tone. But it's also just collective basketball intelligence. And you can see the teams that come playoff time, it's like, well, this one thing that we did all season long that worked, now, now it's harder. Well, now, now what are we supposed to do? And you know, like, there's really, there's really ball dominant players that are incredibly smart in reading all of these things. But, you know, there's only so many things that defense can do. Like, people used to help off the corners and now it's like the wrong thing to do. Like you played growing up, remember, it was always like, hey, if you don't take the man closest to the basketball, you can't even do that in the NBA. Wide open threes. Yeah, it's like, why did you cut to the guy who's cutting? Like, stay in the corner, stay in the corner because you're giving up a three. So I think the overall part of it is like, you know, obviously I love Chris Paul and I think this part is kind of an endangered species. But hey, we've gotten stuck on a few possessions. Let me as the point guard try to dictate a different matchup to give somebody else a look. Let me make sure this guy's eating a little bit because it's not fun to play basketball if you never get to touch the ball. I don't know if that's ever going to matter anymore. I think that's probably going to be done here soon in the sport. But yeah, I mean, that's the best example and it's more of an answer than just, hey, I know this team was smarter and this team wasn't smart. I think it's a mindset of there's still so many opportunities within a possession that other basketball teams don't seem to care about.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I think you can take this conversation into any sport and you can find the, the impact of it. And the other thing I would add to it is if you can get, especially when it's your leader and quarterback position, obviously in football, is that when you get an incredibly smart quarterback, you surround him with help. That's incredibly smart. And then you add in the component of continuity of these guys playing together for a while and then that's. And that's literally think about Mahomes and Andy like that's. You got one of the, if not the smartest, one of the smartest offensive minds in NFL history. Mahomes is brilliant. And then you can just build, you can build off of that. And I, I would love to have seen as great as Mahomes has been and he's had all world Kelsey. But the rest of the weapons don't compare with what you think about what Peyton had during his heyday. Can you imagine if Mahomes had had that?
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, so does that sound like. And this might be the breakout video, but I've asked a few people this, like, how many teams in the AFC are you putting ahead of the Chiefs today? Is, Are the Chargers ahead of the Chiefs for you?
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Daniel Jeremiah
They are for me. I mean, it's hard to say they aren't. When they went toe to toe now, that wasn't a complete Kansas City team and we don't know what that's going to look like. You know, when they get those receivers back, I think that'll definitely make a difference. But I think defensively, the way the Chargers are playing right now, they're better on that side of the ball. I like their collection of weapons better right now. I trust their offensive line more and I think they've got, they have such an identity with, with what they're going to be in the run game and you're going to see that they haven't done it yet, but they've got two 230 pound backs that are going to be able to just kind of put games away. So I, I still think the Chiefs trying to figure out who and what they are offensively right now. I think Juwan Taylor is not good enough and I think that shows up each and every game. And I think the left side, the left side is going to be good. Simmons is going to be really, really good. He's really talented at left tackle. That's a big upgrade for him. So I'm hopeful on that side. But they got to figure something out on the right side of the line and then we'll see what it looks like when the receivers come back.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, and let's carry it over the defense just because, you know, you watch that game against the Eagles and you're looking at, you know, Spagnolo. I always expect the blitz package late. You know, I just, I'm like, oh, here we go, like what's it going to look like? And Chris Jones definitely takes it up a level on those possessions and it's like, okay, this is why this guy is on the short list of again, it's some of the edge guys maybe get more headlines than him. But anyway, we always know that it's Chris and then it's kind of like, all right, there's a bunch of linebackers I like. I love McDuffie, but the blitz rate that I talked about on Monday from that game was just okay. So we're looking at the highest blitz rate that we've ever seen. And that tells you it's not like, hey, we want to be aggressive. It's like nothing else is working. Our four don't work and we can't just stay here and four, four man rush the entire time. That seems to be kind of your foundational thing right now for you at least. It's just the four man rush and trying to figure out which teams are going to be able to do that this season.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I, I, you know, I firmly believe in it. Just the way the game's played right now and people have talked about, you know, it's been a too high safety league for a while trying to take away explosives, but I think when you focus on the front, it's different ways to get to a four man rush, you know, and some of the sim pressures where you're dropping guys out and you're bringing someone else from depth or you're running some games. It's just trying to find a way that you can be creative with only sending four guys and on occasion you can get a fifth rusher in there. But I saw it. I saw it clear as day from watching the Raiders against New England Week 1 and New England tried to heat up Geno. Geno's incredibly smart. Gino's been in this league a long time and Gino is very accurate. So when you, when you send extra bodies, all you've done is crystallize the picture on the back end. He's got one on ones. He's going to find his, his best option and you're not going to get to them. The ball's gone and they tore up New England when they went after him. So then you go to the Charger game and Jesse Minner, he's. He's rushing four, but some of these four, he's got Derwin James coming from depth and they're running like a pick stunt off off a game. They're still getting home. And now the way I described it was you're facing. You're. You're forcing Geno Smith to have to throw the ball through a forest and he nicked a lot of branches. He had like, there was like 15 PBUs in that game, which I don't know. That's an insane amount of times where guys are getting their hands on the football. You get ricochet interceptions, two. I think there were two ricochet interceptions in that game. But just he. That's a lot to sort through. And as a quarterback, especially the veteran guys, they're begging you to send bodies like bring a. Bring as more as you can because it's going to really clean things up for me on the back end and I'm fast enough mentally that you're not going to get to me.
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Ryan Rosillo
So who would you put on that like elite A list? I shouldn't have pronounced it that way. Elite list of NFL teams. You know, like, hey, these are my five favorite three, whatever it is. It's like this is the first tier of four man rush that holds up all season that you like.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Now Philadelphia is to me is going to be the captain of that list. I mean, you just look at what they've done over the last few years and it's in the super bowl, they didn't blitz one time and they just rushed for and beat the stuffing out of them. So they would be the captain of that team. I think Green Bay with, with Micah coming over there, they have a chance to be an elite four man rush team and not have to send extra bodies and find matchups and do what they want to do with him. You know, I, obviously I just mentioned the Chargers and you know, Khalil Mack being down, that hurts, you know, for the next month. But they've proven they can, they can do that and they can, they can. At least they can collapse the pocket if nothing else. They've got big, heavy set edge rushers that can really collapse a pocket when they're going, right. A couple other teams, you know, and we haven't seen the best of it yet, but like the jets should be a dominant four man rush team with what they have. So I would put them in there in Detroit with Hutchinson healthy and up and running, should be a dominant four man rush team.
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Ryan Rosillo
I want to talk a little Baker. This is turning into something, right? Because if you want to get Q. It reminds me a bit of the Alex Smith stuff that used to happen. Mano Subaru is going to lose his mind quietly. But they would put up the graphic and be like, look at these winning percentages. And it'd be like Alex Smith with like Brady and Manning, you know, and then like look at, look at some of this stuff. And he'd go, okay, but cool graphic. And that's happening with Baker, like some of these numbers since 23. And then you put it side by side with Josh Allen, you're like, wow. But then I think your next instinct is to go, okay, but like, you know, give me a break. Statistically, the start of the season has been another level. Last year was really good. I think two years ago it was pretty good too. I think you could also argue Baker probably should have five picks maybe this season and he has zero. I have my interception model that I'm, I've been working on the last few years to assign points and then some of the ones that are missed. But it's gonna be tough to keep track of all this stuff. But you get the great star and then you get the incredible close and after taking a hit where it looked like he was going to be carted off of the field with bodies just collapsing and his leg going the wrong way and he's just kind of this baller. So here we are in year eight and really you could say, hey, six was the first sign I was going to work out. Year seven was fantastic for him and year eight. It's a bit like some of these other developmental guys where if You're Trevor Lawrence. If actually, if you're not Trevor Lawrence, if you're a Trevor Lawrence fan, if you're just a Jacksonville fan and you're in year five, you're like, how come it looks bad again?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Where are you with the longer development where some of these dudes, whether it was Darnold last year, you know, I'm sure there's probably a few guys that still haven't done anything that you're still holding out hope for, but you don't have that kind of timeline as a coach in a front office.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I was looking through it the other day, just like passing leaders, just in. In terms of yards, I think it was yards and it was like four of the top 10 had been backups, you know, and not like, I'm waiting my time to be the starter backup. Like you're. You. You're a backup.
- [37:26]
Ryan Rosillo
It's over. Yeah. Like, it looked like it was over for Baker with the Carolina Rams, like vacation, you know?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. Well, the other thing is, like, there's a trend now too, of if you look at the New York market, Eli's really the only person who sustained success at quarterback in that market. But now we've seen Sam go somewhere else and have success, Gino go somewhere else and have success, Daniel Jones, so far through two weeks having success, like there's something to be an outside of that pressure cooker in that place and giving guys a chance to breathe a little bit and seeing some success. But I think it's pretty. I don't think it's complicated. I think it's a combination of having the talent to have been selected as a first round pick and Baker, Baker's case, the number one overall pick. So there's tools. You know, you have tools and then it's just a matter of accumulating the knowledge and the experience and learning defenses, which is that that's going to take a long time to do that. So when you've been in organizations where you haven't had, you know, consistent play callers, protection and playmakers, like, that hasn't been a consistency that you. You're going to have a tough time succeeding then. Now it's like, okay, can I hang around long enough to learn what I need to learn and then get an opportunity with a place that does afford me those three things. And that's what he's had there in Tampa. The other thing is just, I think you got to have like, not only thick skin, but just like an insane self belief of like almost irrational of like anything that's gone wrong is not my fault. It's somebody else's fault. Like you. Seriously. And that's part of the, part of the thing I almost wonder with Trevor. I'm not, I'm not saying like he's too nice or anything, but I, I could see him. I don't know, his personality wise is like the man, I'm really getting screwed here. You know, this is everybody else's fault and I'm, I'm what's right. And eventually that's gonna kind of show itself. It's kind of a weird way to describe. That's how I, that's how I think. If you're looking at the difference between Baker and.
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Ryan Rosillo
You're describing Baker, you're describing Baker to a T. And it's kind of funny because, like I joked in the past that cornerbacks must be the worst boyfriends because there's zero accountability. And now I'm wondering if more corners should have played quarterback because we always talk about like leadership and working with others and it's like you have to have some accountability. And it sounds like you're arguing for zero for the reclamation projects for quarterbacks.
- [39:38]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. Especially for. Right. Like one that when you failed somewhere, like that's part of it is just building up the belief. And I think Tampa was like, hey, not only a lot's been said about, hey, they let him be himself. Yeah. But they also told him he was the best thing ever, you know, like, and helped reinforce that belief that he never lost. But to me that was a huge part of it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you believe in Daniel Jones?
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Daniel Jeremiah
I think it's, I think it's a good fit there. I think with him and Shane, I think, you know, Shane is, Shane is smart, Shane is positive. And I think, golly, I think the guy just leaving New York needed a hug and you know, he's, he's got a little bit of confidence going. I don't think that's the toughest division in the history of sports. So I think he's got a chance to have some success there now. Can it. Is it a long term thing? Is this something we're going to be looking back and he's kind of cemented himself as a starter going forward for the, the next seven years. I don't know if I'm gonna go that far, but I think in this, in this setup, this environment that he's in right now, the makeup of this team, a rookie tight end that's going to give you a lot of easy completions and A running back that can take a lot of pressure off and a crappy division. Yeah, I think that's sustainable.
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Ryan Rosillo
It just seems, you know, it's so crazy to think. I mean, the way you're talking about this right now, too, with the New York market, which I think is a terrific point too. It also makes me think, like, don't throw Jackson Dart out there. If this team's a mess halfway through the season, don't do it. But no one can help themselves. Dabel's going to probably try to if they have a bad record. And considering the record that he's had there, it's going to go well. Maybe if I can. Freddie Kitchens this thing. Remember that? Like, it's, it's. We have some momentum to build on from the previous year. Granted, that's different because it's the offensive coordinator becoming a head coach, but there's just coaches that are in spots where you can tell what they're going to do with the rookie qp because it's their only move.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. I mean, and it hasn't. The interesting thing is the latest trend is it hasn't helped. Like, because the sales pitch is, man, you don't want to change everything up on this kid going into his second year. Like, let's let him have some continuity. And that's going to be. You don't want to stun his development. But you saw it with, you know, Caleb, they. They moved on after one year. There's been a bunch of them was. I can't remember if. If Bryce. If they moved on. On with Carolina after his rookie year. There's a string of a bunch of guys where it was like, oh, yeah. Because we would, we would always talk about it, like going towards the end of the season, like, they won't fire the coach because you got a rookie quarterback and they want to let him develop and not have to go through turnover. There's a. There's a good number of guys who, after one year, they're starting all over again. Well, the Bears have done it. They've done it multiple times. I think they did it with Fields after. After one year they changed out. So. Yeah, that's something that's. That's happened more times than not.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, you're right. I mean, Bryce, it was Reichs last year and then it was Canales. So.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
And even though last year gave us some hope, like, okay, maybe this guy's going to figure it out after looking like the worst single quarterback his rookie year, we're off to a bad start. Okay. So let's, let's talk a little bit more about the rookies here. I want to do some non quarterbacks, but let's just at least start with the Cam Ward stuff because the number I saw the other day where he's on track for 91 sacks. You want to talk about. Although he may have that irrational confidence, like the touchdown through throw he had scrambling, right. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, this is, this is the tape. I'm like, this is the guy at every stop. Like, that's his throw. And I don't know if he's ever going to not do that. And it worked on that throw for him. But he's. That Denver game was like, you know, sure, you could say he's missing some stuff, but guys are dropping stuff and you know, Denver, I think he put them in, in a pass rush group of like, when we need to turn it on, we're going to get there. But is there anything that you've seen from that or. I mean, that that sack total kind of just goes, I don't even know what to do with the film through two weeks.
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Daniel Jeremiah
So I was watching that game, watching the tape, and I had already, I'd written down in my notes in pen, I had written down like, he's gonna have to learn that you can't. The stuff he was doing in college in terms of some of the extent, like, they're too fast. You can't do that. And then I get to that play and I was like, well.
- [44:00]
Ryan Rosillo
That throw, I just, I. I just want like the NFL people that don't watch on Saturdays to go. That's who he is.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
- [44:07]
Ryan Rosillo
And, and it's like, it worked out enough last year. I mean, there's even a few throws in the Florida game on that Miami matchup for him. Like, what is he doing? But again, he ends up being the number one overall pick because it works far more often than it doesn't.
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Daniel Jeremiah
So I always, I went to training camp with the Titans and spent the day out there watching them. And I didn't mean it to be offensive. I think it might have come across offensive, but I was talking to somebody in the personnel department and I just said, look, you know, like, the worst thing you can be in sports is bad and boring. And I can tell you, watching one practice, you're not going to be boring. Like, he'll be fun to watch. Like, he's going to make three or four plays a game where you're like, okay, this is something we can get excited about going forward. They don't have the pieces in place. Like, they're. They're a. You know, they're a strong candidate to repeat as the first overall pick. And I think they know, they're aware of where they are at this point in time. I mean, they had to overpay Dan Moore because he was just the best available tackle that they thought they could get. So they, you know, had to pay way more than his. His ability would. Would warrant to try and bring him in there. You sign, you know, Zeitler, who's been a real solid player, but he's 35 years old. Like, they've just tried to piecemeal this thing together. I'm hoping they're going to let the two rookie receivers become more involved as the season goes along. And Shimir dk, who I like, and then IO Manor from. From Stanford. Like, those guys need to be out there with Ridley and the veteran guys. Like, I was talking about the Browns the other day, and it's the same thing, which, like, if you're the GM in your office, you should have, like, a big yellow bus, and then you should have, like, little pictures of all your players, and the bus should say the 2026 Cleveland Browns or Tennessee Titans. All this year is about is trying to figure out who's going to be on that bus next year. So let's evaluate these guys and we can start putting their little pictures up there and say, okay, yeah, he's good enough. He can. He can be on the bus next year. But, like, rolling out a bunch of older veteran guys on teams like that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Ryan Rosillo
I love that idea. Except for the part where you could never do it. No, somebody would see it. Like, what does a bean mean?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Is this a second grade teacher's office or the general manager's office?
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Ryan Rosillo
It's not even the mocking of the visual. It's just randomly. Some third or fourth guy in the depth chart at the position, he shows up, he's like, why am I not on the bus? Why am I not on the 26th bus? Although I love that idea, you'd have to keep a tight circle. You'd have to be. Maybe Belichick had one. He just never shared it with anybody. He just sat there, just bust, and he put it in a drawer. Top secret. All right, give me. Give me some other rookies here that you just are like, okay, you know, maybe the college tape backed it up or maybe it didn't. You know, whatever you want to do with the Guys that have been impactful. And we can start with the Niners guy from Georgia if you want.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, no, he's. That was Williams. Yeah. Mikel Williams. That was not. That's who he is. Like, just kind of a big physical. You know, that, like, the things that translate immediately is when you have traits like he does with the length and the physicality, that's. That's going to transfer over right away. So that's not going to be, you know, that's not going to be a shock, what you get there. I will say, like, I know Abdul Carter, the. I don't know, in terms of, like, sack production and things like that and the expectation. You watch the tape, he's already commanding doubles and freeing up other guys on that line. Like, he's. He's a dominant player. He's going to be unbelievable. So, like that. That's one on the defensive front that stood out. We knew those guys in Atlanta were really, really gifted. It was almost like I was almost kind of concerned that they went to Atlanta just because no matter who they've tried to plug in as a pass rusher there for the last 15 years, it's been a disaster. And now all of a sudden, you look up and Pierce is freaking exploding off the edge. Jalen Walker's exactly who we look like at Georgia, not to mention the two rookie safeties that they've got back there that are playing really, really well. So they. They've. They've hit well on their draft class so far. I would say that's probably the most impactful draft class is what those four defensive rookies have been for Atlanta. I love, like, Seattle, watching their stuff. Gray Zable looks like a Pro Bowler right out the jump, how good he's been, you know, I think he's going to be a really, really consistently good player. Booker's been good, solid with the Cowboys. You know, I think that looks like a really good pick. It was kind of like a lot of the fairway picks where you're just like, hey, we're just going to put it in the fairway. Just good players, and maybe people can debate the upside. Those guys have all been even better than advertised. So you get the high floor and they're showing the ceiling maybe a little bit higher than you initially thought. I'm kind of rolling through, looking at some of these other names. Tetaro and McMillan's been really good. I was concerned about his urgency. Ryan, like, just, you know, is he going to be able to match some of the physicality and intensity he's going to see that. You know, he didn't always do that in college. And so far, through a few games, he's done that at a, at a really high level. So he's given them at least one glimmering hope there on that offense with Carolina.
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Ryan Rosillo
I love the Atlanta draft, you know, because I, I love how they talked about it. It was just like, we need to figure out a way and, and I've talked about it a few times, but, like, if you have a great edge guy, take another great one. You know, it's like the Bradley Chubb pick, you know, with Denver. And I, you know, I know Bradley Chubb ended up having injuries and all that kind of stuff, but I just, I love stuff like that. If Atlanta's sitting there going, we have to figure out some way to be disruptive up front. And it's like we're taking two of them.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Well, that.
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Ryan Rosillo
We're taking two.
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Daniel Jeremiah
That, that marries up with what we talked about earlier with being able to rush four. And the other thing, the other secret sauce to me, and this is talking with guys in Philly is it's not. Their, their strength is in numbers. And they're like, they have an alpha unit and a bravo unit up front. Like, they've had it for the last several years and they roll those guys through and keep them fresh. If you're only going to be trying to get home with four, you don't want to run those four guys out there for 50 snaps. Like, you got to freaking be able to roll guys through and they do it with like a whole new unit. It's like a hockey line change. They'll put new guys out there. So, yeah, I think that was, it was, it was definitely an aggressive move. It was a bold move. I mean, you think about that if this season were to go south, you don't have a first round pick next year and you're going to be getting eviscerated for that trade. But right now they're playing great. All those rookies are playing great. They've. They've got to have one of the youngest, fastest defenses in the NFL right now, which matches the, you know, kind of the surface they're on, the division that they're in. It makes a lot of sense.
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Ryan Rosillo
Is it too early to ask you if you take Pennocks over Caleb Williams?
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Daniel Jeremiah
I mean, you would just based off what you've seen right now, but I mean, it is so, it is so, so early. I was encouraged. I, I know it's kind of been the theme there's like I feel like there's, there's national themes around Caleb Williams. Like one week it's, everybody's just gonna dogpile him and then the next week it's gonna be like it was better. It was not as bad. It was not as bad this week. But there was, there was and everybody's pointed out the stats. I'm not breaking news. But there was more on time throws from him. I thought as the game wore on and he had more bodies around him, he got hit more that he started kind of diverting to some of the older stuff of, of not playing on time and rhythm. But I, I think it was better. So I'm still hopeful there, I'm still hopeful there. I, I'm curious to see when we trans transfer from like the. It's like watching a movie and it's like we're still in like the Ben Johnson tough love phase. Like when do we get to like the hey he's good. Let's like you can really do this. You're the you know, like kind of like tear torn him down. Like when we get to the build up phase, do we make it to the buildup phase?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I just wonder if we're going to be doing Year 6 Caleb Williams games and he's with Arizona and it's like you know, wasn't that I'm like doing Monday Week 8 recap and like you know, not bad, not bad. Which is not what you're expecting when you're taking somebody number one overall especially with that class. Let's just transition then to next year's class. I know it's. You want to talk about it being early. I know you dig in especially the quarterbacks way more in October. So it's probably you know, an incomplete answer here now but the early returns a few weeks in of who all these guys could be, you know, it's, it's starting to be in the club Nick side of it for Clemson. It's like are we going to have a mirror image Carson Beck thing here where Carson Beck's 23 season I think gave us a lot of hope. You can see the light go off for him. It's like okay. And then 24's disaster. He's played well for Miami. Maybe he's back into that conversation. Club Nick personally, you know, defer to you on this but I thought he was so good and so important to what they were doing as they closed the season last year and now it just looks like a complete mess. But at least I have something to think about of like he has to figure this out at some point and I know he's down Williams, but I think Wesco is at least enough of a game breaker at the college level that it's not like he doesn't have anybody to throw to. You know, Nussmeier, I'll wait for you to go. Obviously Sellers, you know, gets knocked out of the Vandy game but early on it at least feels like, hey, of the four or five guys that were in this conversation now, and I know McShay like Mendoza a lot who, you know, Indiana is just, they're actually running the football probably as well as anybody in the country right now. There's just a lot of dudes and I think we, we could have one of those classic year later, the reality draft versus the mock draft where it's a complete reshuffling.
- [53:35]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I think everybody's still waiting to see who's going to emerge, you know, and that's from talking more so than watching. I haven't studied any of these guys on tape yet, so I've just seen their TV stuff. I'll get in the tape next month. But I watched these guys all over the summer and what I saw on the tape over the summer and what I've seen, just TV scouting through the first few weeks of the season, I think it marries up pretty much where I, where I thought it was. I wasn't a huge club Nick guy. I want, I want to give you the family, like the family of quarterbacks that I put these guys in and then tell me how you see it and what you've seen this year. If you think you would, you would disagree with what family these guys are in. So I'll rip through them real quick and then, then you can go. Nessmeyer to me is in the Romo Dalton Purdy family. So not quite as athletic as those guys, but there's kind of a game a gamer to them, guys who are heady and smart. So that's that family club. Nick to me was like in that he's like the mini Ryan Tannehill. Like he's. To me the athleticism gets you excited. When you watch him, I think was the pit game last year. You see him take off and go make a guy miss and go like 50 yards. It's like, okay, like there's some of that exciting athleticism. I don't know how much like physical like arm talent, you know, tools there are there. But that's kind of the family I put him in. Aller goes into The Kerry Collins family. And that's not just because he's a Penn State big white guy, but just like kind of the old school. Joe Flacco would be in that family as well. Like the old school. Big, tall, you know, sturdy pocket passers who can, you know, they're at least with Joe Flacco when he was young, like, can move a little bit better than maybe you give him credit for. But there's a little rigidness to them, a little stiffness to them. And then Sellers to me was in the, you know, Culpepper, McNabb, just physical guys especially I played against Culpepper in college. People forget how good he could run when he was, when he was young, but just kind of built like that. And just to me, it's like the. We think about, we talk about pocket presence a lot. I don't know, we talk about pocket strength. Like there can be bodies on him and he doesn't, it doesn't impact him. Like he's got bodies around him. He's got guys hanging on him. He can shrug guys off. He can throw kind of in a restricted space. I know he got hurt in that vanity game. He wasn't playing great early on in that game. But you watch the first week of the season, you see the throws that get you excited. You see the physicality, the athleticism. I thought he was, for me in the summer, head and shoulders above the rest of those guys, like, in terms of somebody you'd want to, you know, you'd want to work with. And I don't know that that's really changed for me. But Mendoza, my son, goes to Baylor, so I watch all their games. Sawyer Robertson's played really well for the most part this year. He's, you know, he's getting a little bit of heat there, but I don't know that it's a slam dunk that one guy is, is emerging at this point in time. I think everybody's kind of waiting to see who that's going to be.
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Ryan Rosillo
Could you see like a Sawyer going, being the first quarterback taken in 26?
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Daniel Jeremiah
I don't think I could see that right now. I mean that with what I've seen so far. But I, I think he's going to work his way into that conversation. If he keeps doing what he's doing, he's going to work his way into that conversation. I think most teams, and this again, talking to teams is, you know, coming into the year was. He was like in that fourth round range, like. But I mean, shoot, we've seen it before where we've had guys in that discussion that have vaulted all the way up there. So, yeah, I guess I'd say it would not be. He would not be the favorite at this point in time, but I think he's going to enter into the conversation as a safe safety net there. Way to say that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I mean, I'd ask you about Kiave Sanga Puditelli. Sanga Pu.
- [57:10]
Ceruti
Teli.
- [57:10]
Daniel Jeremiah
Cow kid.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but he's a freshman, so he's fun, though.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I got a text from one of their coaches after the first weeks. Like, I know he's not draft eligible, but you got to watch this kid. He's pretty good.
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Ryan Rosillo
I know. He's kind of like the hipster guy right now. Like, everybody.
- [57:23]
Daniel Jeremiah
You show you're cool. You know about this guy.
- [57:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Daniel Jeremiah
You know, you're only. You're really cool if you can pronounce his name, which neither of us can.
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Ryan Rosillo
I know. I had it, too. I had it. I even watched a little breakdown on the whole thing. Kiave Sanga Pompey. So there. I finally just had to slow down, bend my knees. The Club Nick Tannehill thing, like, that's. That's actually. I feel like that's bad news for Club Nick.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. I mean, I wasn't a huge Club Nick guy.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it doesn't sound like it.
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Daniel Jeremiah
No, no. But. But there's some of those qualities, right? Like, Tannehill started for a long time.
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Ryan Rosillo
You know, But Tannehill's a. A great example of, like, some of the things we first started talking about where it's like, man, look at those. Like, carve out a few of those Tannehill years and put those stats up against the other, like, names, the known.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Like, the made guys difference.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. The difference makers. And you go, hey, did you look at Tannehill stats? I was like, I don't care. Yeah, I don't care. Like, good for him. Glad he became a starter. We know he changed positions, ends up being a top pick. Doesn't work in Miami. Puts together a nice little run there in Tennessee. I was like, I don't care. Like, he's not those guys. I don't. I don't give a shit. I don't want to see it. And, like, look, I like Baker better than I like Tannehill. So that's not even a conversation. But sometimes when I see the graphic game, I'm like, yeah, okay, cool. Graphic, great. But it doesn't. It doesn't convince me. Would you take if you were a GM and it's 20, 26 and you need a quarterback and there's a couple guys there and like, look, we'll see if Alar ends up being in that group, because I like Aller, but the way this position is played, now would you. Or maybe you're there now you're thinking about it. Would you have a rule? It's like, look, if we don't have a guy who can escape on 3rd and 6, I don't want to look at it anymore.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Unless. Unless our system and his intelligence are absolute perfect matches. Like, and Purdy's athletic, so I, I should. Because he can't escape and can make guys miss if he needs to. But, like, I think of guys who operate like in that system who can process quickly, can play the, you know, the coach can almost play through him, through the headset, you know, get out there and can just see everything and operate that system so efficiently, so effectively. Those are hard. Those are very. That is very rare to find guys that can pick that up so young. Because a lot of times if you're. Nowadays, your legs have to buy time for your arms. So you're gonna. Early on your career you can use your athleticism and then out. You're. You're starting to learn defenses, see more defenses, and then now you can kind of play more with your arm and your brain. But your legs have to help you survive through those first early years while you're trying to accumulate all that information. So it's hard, it's hard to get out there if you can't make some things happen. It's just, you're thrown out of a well and you get swallowed up in there. So, yeah, I mean, I. Ideally, you gotta, you gotta be able to make one guy miss a free runner miss three times a game. Like, that's, that's the basic skill set you have to have.
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Ryan Rosillo
And I mean, getting just charted to death on X with Jalen Hurst charts. And I, I had one the other day that I sent you that. I looked at it and went like, oh, my God. But just seeking to your point, like, the way he's made guys miss in the Dallas game, in the Kansas City game, free rushers. And he's like, first of all, he's strong enough to take a little contact and he's obviously athletic enough to just juke. I mean, you talk about juking corners here as you're trying to drop back and keep your eyes downfield on top of everything else. And I mean, Hertz might be the best at that. And Then being able to kind of reset back into it. But then you look at some of these charts that are coming out. So there was one. It was depth of target and then time to throw. So average depth of target, the chart goes up and then time to throw, obviously left to right. So time to throw, he's basically right there with anyone else in the league. But again, sometimes that time to throw stuff I think can be really misleading because Caleb Williams, it'll show that he's had all this time to throw the two years that he's been in the league. But that's because he's creating that time of throw by bailing on everything and then having to reset outside of the pocket.
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Daniel Jeremiah
That's why I don't love that statistic.
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Ryan Rosillo
We are on the same page because too many times that is used as well. He has all of this time. It's like, not necessarily.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Can they. Can they chunk that up? Because I see this stat all the time and I'm like, there's got to be a way they can chunk that up for when a guy never leaves the pocket. Exactly, because that's going to skew it. You could scramble around for eight seconds on one play, and now you've just skewed the numbers going forward for the rest of the year.
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Ryan Rosillo
But here's where it gets damning for Hertz. Is that the average depth of target, it's so far behind anyone else in the NFL. Now, the Eagles argument is, yeah, who cares? We've got defense. You know, maybe it isn't fun for AJ Brown every other week or sometimes if I forget, devontae Smith is on the team, who, you know, in another system is probably putting together 90 catch seasons, but it clearly works. We're talking about the super bowl champ here. But there are other explosive charts I've looked at, like the lack of explosive. They clearly don't need it. It doesn't matter. But does it. Does it mean anything? Because I clicked on one and next thing I know, all I'm doing is getting Hertz charts all week long. Because we know how it works. Like, oh, you want some more Hertz charts? We've got them all day for you. Does it mean anything?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Not to me. And it's just what the smart teams know their formula. And their formula is. Remember when we were talking about the Ravens? I'm like, okay, you get a dominant defense, you get a dominant running back, you got a great kicker. They got all. All those things in place with Philadelphia with this group, and then they've got a Quarterback who just, hey, I need you to make a couple plays a game. Like that's it. Just go make a couple plays. And then what he's proven in his defense is that in the, what do you think they'll play two, three games, two to three games this year where they're going to have to be explosive offense. Defense is going to have a bad day. You're going to run into a big time hot cyborg quarterback and then they're going to have to spread it out and throw it. And he's proven on the biggest of stages that in those moments when that's called upon, he can do it. But their whole thing is like, I'm not, you know, I'm just, I'm just trying to be a little bit better than the team we're playing that day and get wins and stack wins. And they're what, like 18 and one in their last 19 games? It works.
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Ryan Rosillo
Last thing here, you know, I've looked at some of the NBA stuff. Well, obviously I've looked at a decent amount of NBA stuff. But one thing that I think stood out in particular is we had this run of like the best development stories we've ever seen in the history of the league. You've got Kawhi, who looks like he's an undersized power forward at times, looking like he's the best player in basketball. Finals MVP twice. You have Jokic, like that guy's not supposed to be the MVP of the league. He's the most unlikely MVP in NBA league history that you get the Finals. Get Giannis for the Finals MVP. Multiple MVPs for him as well. And you know, he was at least still a first round or middle of the first round. It was like, what? What is this guy? All right? And at different times they've all had the belt. And if you pivot it back to Allen, I think Lamar deserves a lot of credit for this. Are we, I can't say like we're in a development golden age for quarterbacks, but to have guys were just massive question marks and again, it speaks to kind of the variance of the position, but then have the belt, you know, I mean, Mahomes was still somewhat of a project and it's easy to forget that stuff when he's coming out. But he was still drafted high enough and clearly Kansas City loved everything they saw of the high end ability with him. But some of these development stories, you know, I don't know if we've always had this, if it's a recency bias thing but like, what's your thought on the path that we've had from some of these QBs?
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Daniel Jeremiah
It's interesting because you're talking about QBs and I was just thinking of like, who are those guys? And I started thinking of other positions. So I was just jotting them down. I'm like Puka Nakua, Max Crosby, Trey Hendrickson, like these guys who are arguably in the discussion. Yeah, best players at. Yeah. Another one is best players at their positions in the, in the league who didn't arrive with any of those expectations or fanfare. So not just particularly to the quarterback position. So as you know, we're talking about the quarterback specifically. You know, I, I think that these, these kind of resurrection projects are good examples of that. You know, Sam last year for a good chunk of the season was playing as good as anybody at that position. I know he was the third pick or whatever. So it's like, okay, well that. But they're coming out. He hadn't played a ton at SC and there was not. He didn't. Was far from a finished product when he got there. But I think, you know, through several different stops along the way, he's improved and developed, you know, with, with the help of some others, but he's definitely done that. I think other quarterbacks on the development track, it's hard to think of guys because so many of these guys are first round picks. Like there's only so many of them that, you know, you don't have Dak, maybe Dak would be in that, in that company.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Purdy.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
This may not, There may not be any kind of like thing happening. It may just be me thinking about the origin story of a couple different guys. And then you'd have to go over all the decades and be like, hey. Because it just. There were some weird shifts. Like, I'll never forget Cowherd did a really good segment on this when we were working together. And at that time it was like you had a Brady, you know, who's a late round pick. You had a Flacco who transfers out and ends up at Delaware. And so he had like a few examples of who the best quarterbacks were at that time. And so the whole pitch of the segment was you need guys that have faced adversity that are pissed off at the world. Joe Burrow, right? Yeah.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Except, you know, he wasn't playing at Ohio State. He had to go somewhere else to get on the field.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I guess. Hey, Coward would have used it. He would have used it. Except, you know, again, I Think he went number one.
- [67:15]
Daniel Jeremiah
So, yeah, but, I mean, like, his development process took place. And to me, the whole thing is in an era of five star quarterbacks, and now these guys are getting checks while they're in high school to, you know, to have the guy who's had to fight his way through, to have Cam Ward who's had to work his way through all these different levels to get to where he is, like, there's kind of a hardness that gets developed there of. Of accomplishment versus maybe some entitlement that might come with. With other guys who've come the more traditional route. And I think there's been a pretty good. I mean, Bo Nix. You think you don't get hardened when you're, you know, nickname is Bo picks at Auburn and, you know, you're getting crushed on campus by your classmates. Like, that guy's been hardened. And so I 100% think there's something to that.
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Ryan Rosillo
At the time, I mean, it was a really convincing argument. And then I kind of thought, like, all right, but could it just be what's happening right now? And then we're. We're trying to, like, reverse it, right? These guys are good. Let's look at their backstory. They're good because of their backstory. And then I think we had a run where it was like, okay, all these guys, the best players now are actually all of the top picks. But.
- [68:29]
Daniel Jeremiah
But I think. I think their adversity came in different times in their life. Like, I also don't think it's a coincidence that when I was going to the combine every year with the Ravens, that the first question Ozzy Newsom ever asked every single prospect that came in there. Give me an example of some adversity you've had in your life. Who helped you get through it and how'd you get through it? You know, like, that was the first question he asked to every single player. And Ozzy's got innate, like, intelligence and feel for people. Like, that's more so than anybody I've probably ever been around. He knows how to read people. And so a guy that's got that type of intuition, that's the first question he asked. And this is like, in 2003. I think there's something to that.
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Ryan Rosillo
I may start doing that with our guests, and then we'll get to the football. There you go.
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Daniel Jeremiah
There you go.
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Ryan Rosillo
You're the best again. Check out Move the Sticks, Janet, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. And you can see him on NFL Network Every Sunday morning. NFL game day morning. That's 9:00am Eastern on NFL Network. Good to see you, man.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Good to see you, buddy. Free basketball take. I watched a lot of Baylor. Vijay Edgecombe is going to be really good pro.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you have an eye for talent?
- [69:35]
Daniel Jeremiah
Actually, I don't, but that's okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
On today's episode, we're going to throw a few picks at you from the good folks at FanDuel. All right, so last week I didn't want to. I kind of went happiness hedge on it just because I felt like Florida LSU nighttime game. LSU ends up covering there at the end. The five picks obviously didn't help, so that ended up being loss. The NFL picks have been pretty good so far, but the sharp picks that we got last week that were not mine were not great across the board. So sharp picks coming in again, these are not my picks. On the NFL side. We've got if I pull up the board right now we have the Browns and the Browns currently are getting nine and a half at Detroit. We have the Texans favored by seven and a half against Tennessee. That is a sticky one there for Houston, but it kind of feels like a Houston get right game as Tennessee is probably a mess. Unless that turns into some weird turnover game from Houston that you wouldn't expect in that spot. Other plays that have been forwarded to me, let's find Denver. Denver plus two and a half at the Chargers, Rams, Eagles kind of a stay away in this spot. I think there's also probably a lot of public action. A big public action last week was Arizona against Carolina and that's why we gave out Carolina. All right, I'm going to focus on the College Board. Two games that I've been looking at now for a little while. Kind of wondering where the line comes in Texas Tech, Utah. I'm just staying away from that one. I don't have any read on it whatsoever other than I'd probably just go with Utah at home on that. Michigan Nebraska. This line has been available on FanDuel now for a couple weeks just because it's a bigger Big Ten game. This feels a bit like Michigan's still being ranked. Nebraska's history in the big spots hasn't necessarily been great, but I'm going to take Nebraska as a dog at home plus one and a half. The other game, which I know you're not going to be shocked to hear, this game has moved from Illinois plus five and a half to now Illinois plus six and a half at Indiana. This isn't about the ranking and really if you want to just marry these two teams story the last year plus so 24 into 25 Indiana with the playoff experience, I really should say appearance because there's a lot of turnover there, but momentum wise and forget you know, all the history because we're talking about the first ranked matchup between these two teams in 75 years. But I think there's a mirroring of like hey, these are two of the up and coming Big Ten teams building off of what they were doing last year. Illinois still has the quarterback from last year. Indiana has been running the hell out of the football. There's some alarming Indiana defensive stats considering the opposing schedule. That's a little weird. I think they're 87th on opposing yards allowed per play. Defensively, Illinois's defensive numbers aren't necessarily special. Anyway, I think the one thing that jumps out if you're looking at any of those categories, it's just the way Indiana has been able to run the football. So if you think it's a bad matchup for Illinois defense with the way the Hoosiers have run it, then maybe, you know, maybe just straight up you're picking Indiana. I think Illinois has a chance to win this one straight up. I just think it's too many points in kind of an unknown space of like who both these teams are going to be coming off of wildly successful years for both programs. So I just think it's too many points. It's going in the opposite direction. So I grab them. Plus six and a half there with Illinois. And as always, you can check out the latest line@sportsbook.fanduel.com this episode is brought to you by DoorDash. Most people try to win on Saturdays by betting a game or two. But if you want a guaranteed win, try DoorDash streaks this football season. 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Daniel Jeremiah
You want details?
- [74:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up?
- [74:45]
Daniel Jeremiah
I have a ridiculous house in the south fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid.
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Ryan Rosillo
So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Our email address lifeadvicerrgmail.com becoming more of a community, it feels like here. We've got serui, we got Kyle. Let's. Let's just start with this though. How about that goodbye to Daniel Jeremiah today. Gracious long.
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Ceruti
You're right. You're right.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [75:13]
Ceruti
You have to.
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Daniel Jeremiah
You can't.
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Ceruti
You can't just mention the bad. You do have to. Both sides of the aisle now.
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Kyle
You kept them pre interview and post interview. It was that like 15 minutes total. It was a while, you know, talking stuff through.
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Ceruti
It became a little much, actually, which I think is good considering where we were last week. No, I don't think 15.
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Kyle
I mean, we were definitely on for five at the beginning and I would. You were talking a lot in the beginning. I'm sorry. There's definitely five at the end. You were talking a lot in the beginning. Yeah, 10 is fair. I mean, 10's fair.
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Ryan Rosillo
I think I'd still take the under. It's not 15, but whatever. It's. If Max Olson's listening, you're terrific.
- [75:52]
Kyle
He actually did. He texted me. He heard the life advice, the beginning of life advice, and thought it was hilarious. I was like, this is just a thing. It's a reoccurring thing. It's nothing to do with you. Hope to have you back on again soon.
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Ryan Rosillo
That'd be great if we asked for him again and be like, I actually can't do this Friday.
- [76:08]
Ceruti
Yeah, I didn't love that.
- [76:10]
Ryan Rosillo
And it's not a, hey, can't do this Friday. It's just maybe check back in the future, maybe around bowl season. And that's like the.
- [76:16]
Ceruti
No, I'm just not doing things right now, but when I do, I'm certainly be happy to.
- [76:21]
Kyle
I'll be the first one to let you know.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that was like when NBA radio asked me to come on and it was at night and I was like, I'm golfing. And then the guy wrote into life advice was like, did Priscilla lie to me because it was night time?
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Ceruti
I think I do remember that.
- [76:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I was like, if I was gonna lie, I wouldn't have done something. Is like, yeah, come on. I would have done a better job. And yes, we have night golf here, the par three. Remember the guy that took the shot on the eighth hole over my head as I was walking my ball? Yeah. Still a little shocked. I didn't just pick that ball up and chuck it in the parking lot. But if I could do it over, that's what I would have done. But that's why we get emails on this. Because we are all not great in the moment every single time. Some of us are better than others. I don't know that you're going to bat a thousand percent on that in a moment. Conflict. Do you say the right thing every single time? I almost think you'd have to rehearse. You'd have to have material to be like, what would it be? S tier or God tier? What's higher?
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Ceruti
I don't know.
- [77:18]
Ryan Rosillo
Actually.
- [77:18]
Ceruti
I'm left in the dust with the tears.
- [77:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, if you're an atheist, it's probably S tier, but whatever. Moving on. We had a, a couple follow ups here. I don't know if that, that one's really worth it. Another person learning that Ceruti's name is not Ceruti.
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Ceruti
That's a bit. Come on. It's a bit. Right?
- [77:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. But whenever they say I'm a Bill then Ryan fan, so if you only knew me through Bill, then I could still see some people being late to the sorority train.
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Kyle
No lie. Couple times a month I'll get a, a DM or a tweet or whatever. Just saying first time following you had no idea this is how you spelled your last name.
- [78:04]
Ceruti
Wow.
- [78:04]
Ryan Rosillo
And yeah, I guess I'm just too deep.
- [78:07]
Ceruti
I don't know, I just can't imagine.
- [78:09]
Ryan Rosillo
But some guys get nudes and others are like, I can't believe you're not a knight.
- [78:14]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I just.
- [78:16]
Ryan Rosillo
The whole point of like the Ceruti, Ceruti thing is just. You don't think we would talk about it at some point, Right?
- [78:23]
Kyle
Well, maybe people think they missed the story, you know, that's. They don't know the background. But, yeah, no, I'm just. Just an Italian guy.
- [78:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I never. I know. I don't know if it was ever true or not, but they used to try to tell you, like, in radio that, you know, 25% of your audience is the last six months. But then it's like, yeah, but not if the show isn't growing. Like, that doesn't make any sense. But I don't know if it was like a carrot thing or a thing to emphasize the formatics of a radio show. You know, constantly introducing who you are and that whole thing. And then, you know, your P1s are like, we get it, dude.
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Kyle
I've heard this story five times already.
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Ryan Rosillo
We get it. So, like, there was always this thing of, like, how do I. How do you balance this concept that your audience is joining you? Like, such a huge chunk of it is joining for the first time. But it's like, okay, but that's only for a show that is growing.
- [79:16]
Ceruti
So we should be spelling Saruti's name quarterly, basically, potentially.
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Kyle
Put it in the title. Yeah, put in the title.
- [79:23]
Ceruti
How about that?
- [79:27]
Ryan Rosillo
All right. We do have a vasectomy. One that I think is worth.
- [79:30]
Kyle
Yeah, listen.
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Ryan Rosillo
Worth reading. Feedback. Feedback for the guy considering a fourth kid from a real life Michael Scott. Hey, guys. I felt somewhat compelled to chime in with some feedback. I have a hearing situation the one listener was in about considering having a fourth kid. Compelled because the listener was me 8 years ago. Not really me, but let me explain. After one year of marriage, my wife and I had our first kid. Totally not totally planned. Then I went on a saban, like, run of baby making, giving us three boys in less than three years. Initially, early in the marriage, my wife had hidden wanting three or four kids. I told her I was okay with that. But as Saruti is probably thinking right now, three boys were a lot. Forget Chip and Nick. Great callback. That was Surudi's dad's nickname for them. Chip and Nick. It's an unbelievable story. Just unreal.
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Kyle
Did he come up again?
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Ryan Rosillo
Because people were listening for the first time. Yeah, I want to hear it again. Really?
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Kyle
Okay. Yeah. Basically, like, me and my buddies would just. If we were moving something, my dad would, you know, call us Ship and Nick because if it was like a board or something, we would just, like, hit the wall and take a chip.
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Ryan Rosillo
Out of the wall.
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Kyle
And so we'd call it Chip and Nick because we weren't careful when we would move stuff around.
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Ryan Rosillo
Did he come up with that on his own?
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Kyle
No, it's Been in my family. Yeah, definitely a job. But like people in my family, I mean, like whenever anyone moves, I feel like that joke is said. So it's, it's beaten to death for sure.
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Ceruti
It hurts once you grow too. Like you were talking about developing quarterbacks. Take a little longer to, you know, get their, get their sea legs. And you like, you know, you're careful and you're still chipping. Nick, that sucks. Just people don't forget.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't like when a guest is a in the chip and Nick category. One of my buddies. Yeah, just my buddy came over. Significant wife. I'm like, hey, here's your significant wife. The most significant of all of his wives. Significant other. And instant luggage flips open the top, immediate mark and dent into the Sheetrock. What is just so you know, you.
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Ceruti
Got coasters in your room. Just trying to help them out.
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Ryan Rosillo
No, the coasters in the room thing is fine for the most part, except for that pewter finish, which is now destroyed by runners. I was like, hey, you can't put anything on this. I know. It's a little frustrating with the nightstand. Just have to put down a towel. Yeah, no problem. Come back. It looks like fucking some guy's farm in Scotland. Being like, dude, they're coming. All right. This is more smash grab and kick. All right, so these kids were rambunctious. So after discussing with my wife about looking forward to the time when the boys are older, they're able to take care of themselves, who decided she get a vasectomy. With the caveat that if we really wanted a fourth child, we could potentially adopt. A few years go by, my wife starts to desire another child. We explore the adoption route, but ultimately I couldn't pull the trigger and punked out. With this concession, I would reverse the vasectomy and leave the rest up to our reproductive systems. Exactly two months after the reversal, we were pregnant with our fourth. This guy. This guy converts on pounds. Starting 11. I got a shot.
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Kyle
The pipes were clean.
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Ryan Rosillo
Good for you on this one. We waited to find out the gender. Unlike the three previous, and wouldn't you know it, we had a girl. I'll never forget. At my grandparents 50th anniversary celebration, a great aunt surveyed the surrounding families of my grandparents who had four children of their own. And she said with complete sincerity, she wished she would have had more kids. She only had two. Basically, I left feeling and can still now attest that given you are in a stable relationship with minimal financial hardships, you won't regret having another child. Especially if having more children was a desire of one or both partners, people do say, oh, you finally got your girl. That happens. Who cares? Shrug it off like Hardin does closeouts. So all in all, I say go for it. And if you're wondering if I went full Michael Scott and got the second vasectomy, the answer is yes.
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Kyle
Nice.
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Ceruti
Yeah, he had a conviction about it. I think if you get the first one, you're certainly going to get the second one. You're like, all right, well the second. This was the last ride and now I'm out. The last heist and we're done.
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Kyle
Yeah, the process isn't like that bad. Where it's like, I can't believe you did it twice. Like it's uncomfortable but it's fine, you know.
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Ryan Rosillo
So this guy, I don't know, 10%.
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Ceruti
Of a cup check for a couple of days does not sound something like. I wouldn't take that lightly. I wonder what the, what the cash point would have to be for me to accept that. You know what I mean? Like what the it was like man on the street thing is like, would you, would you do this for $20,000? I'm like, I don't know what the price point is.
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Ryan Rosillo
Instagram bio Two time vasectomy survivor. That's great.
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Ceruti
Change that right now.
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Ryan Rosillo
Dude. Neighbors atv61185. No gym stats straight to the point. My neighbor's teenage son is currently ripping donuts with his ATV through the backyard. It's waking up my 2 year old daughter and 8 month old son. The neighbor is sitting on the back porch smoking his cigar, clearly unbothered, while his son turns the backyard into a mess of mud and two stroke smoke. Very descriptive. Terrific job setting the scene for reference. We live in a suburban neighborhood in a very rural county. The neighbor and I share a back fence. Our houses are essentially in line and only 100ft apart. The kid had previously been riding through the neighborhood until I assume someone called the cops on him. Riding ATVs in public. Public roads is legal here. Now he's where is it legal? I mean I sure there are states where it's kind of look the other way. Yeah, legal. Montana's just screaming at me right now, but I don't know. Now he's resorted to donuts in a 5 or excuse me, a 50 by 100 backyard. That's not big. My daughter's bedroom is on the back of the house. The noises from the ATV have scared her. While my 8 month old is still too young to know what's Going on. The noise has still woken him up. My original thought is simply to go talk to the neighbor who I previously met with when we moved in. My wife brought them muffins as a friendly gesture and plead my case for quiet in the evening. However, this is complicated by the fact that I'm soon to be soon about. I'm soon about to ask this neighbor for a favor. Long story short, but I need to request an exception from our zoning code to allow me to build a screened in porch that would be built too close to the property line. Specifically, it would be built too close to the back property line, AKA Cigar man's property. I needed to get this. I need to get his written okay to be allowed to build it into the setback to his property. So my hesitation is bringing a grievance to this man before asking the favor. Do I just write out the ATV and hope it ends soon, or do I talk to the man and risk him not helping me out down the road? For reference, this is the third out of four nights. So he just got the ATV and the kid's excited, right? So you got to kind of think of the math like, is this guy going to do this all the time? But you already know these neighbors. Like, you can size them up. Do they look like they would ever go to a meeting, ever? Answer feels like a no right now. You know, has he ever stopped you in the neighborhood and said, you know, I think Garth Brooks is still pretty underrated, Criminally underrated. You know, you've got to try to size up. You've got to get the advanced scattering on how amenable this guy would be to any of this kind of stuff. But I mean, my first thought is this screen in Porsche sounds pretty important. And you're going to have to be number one.
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Ceruti
That has to be number one.
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Ryan Rosillo
So I think you got to go to your kids and be like, hey, do you ever want to avoid bug bites when you get older? You're going to have to deal with the noise.
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Kyle
Well, I'll take the other side only because this happened this morning and it does suck.
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Ryan Rosillo
When did you get an ATV?
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Kyle
Not an ATV, but somebody was mowing the lawn at like 7am this morning. And I always thought there was like an ordinance where it was like 8am or later usually. And it wasn't even like the guy was like a company too. So I was like, that's kind of strange. You feel like they would know the rules. My daughter starts crying at 7am this morning because she doesn't like the Noise from the lawnmower and that sucks, man. It's not a great feeling. And this was a one off. The lawn only gets mowed like what, once a week or once every 10 days or so. Like if this dude's doing this nightly, it's tough to see your kid like bent out of shape like that. So I, I'm with you guys. I think you just have to kind of wait it out because you're right. He probably just got this thing three out of four nights. Okay, I get it. He's going to do this for like a month straight. Probably not. He's going to get bored. The ATV probably eventually. So you. Like this probably isn't a long term thing. But I just want to, I just want to point out the side thing of like having the daughter being upset about the noises is like kind of a shitty place to be in.
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Ryan Rosillo
I got. I. Well agree.
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Ceruti
Can we push the timeline up of the. At least signing the papers for the, you know, for the town zoning thing? Like, you don't have to necessarily order all your material yet before you get the okay.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Right.
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Ceruti
Maybe there's a way to do that. But I guess the other thing is he said it's a rural county, but it's a suburban neighborhood. What did he say? A 50 by 100 backyard. And this guy's like tearing up his small yard.
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Daniel Jeremiah
It's.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's another thing.
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Ceruti
Like that guy's like, it's not even the noise. It's not even the noise. It's like that the guy is watching him, watching his son go over the property line and do donuts in a yard. You know, I don't know what kind of soil we're talking about, but, you know, not many terrains will hold up. Well, past tense.
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Ryan Rosillo
Soil is what we do know, right?
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Ceruti
So yeah, I think that's like super reasonable to be like, man, the yard is getting torn up. I mean, the truth is if you can't, if you're in a suburban neighborhood and you can't ride it on, you know, if you can't ride it on the streets, because that's just, you know, the law of the land there. You have to get a trailer or ramps to put that thing on a truck and go somewhere. Like, it's. You don't live On a, on 10 acres to be able to do that. So, you know, I don't know. I think first things first, you just have to see if you can get something on paper with this guy and then, and then super respectfully be like, man, this Is a little, A little out of control.
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Kyle
Because at that point too, you get the thing on paper that you can go ahead with your, with your screened in porch. And then if it's like a week later where this guy's still doing donuts every night, then I feel like you have more of a. More of like a grievance with the neighbor. Be like, hey, this has been every day for 10 straight days, dude. Like three to four days.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right?
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Kyle
Like, I could kind of see why that wouldn't be. You know, like, let it slide for a little bit, but get the thing down written in paper first. And then if this keeps happening, then I feel like you're fine to go forward and be like, hey, man, if.
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Ceruti
The kid has to stay out of your yard, it sounds like he doesn't even have enough room to have fun ripping around in his own yard. Like, he doesn't even have enough fun to have enough room to really like do anything. Not enough room. For example.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Substantial. Yeah.
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Ceruti
So he's gonna have to find a place to go take that anyway. So, yeah, you know, the sound thing will probably stop on its own, but if you just want to get it out of your yard as well, I think you're totally within your rights to be like, man, it's a fucking war zone back there.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. There's also, like, look at the math of it. You could get a no on the atv, which then sets the tone for a no on the screened in porch. Which he may have said yes to. But since you said, hey, can your kid not ride his ATV at night? It's carrying my kids. And he may be like, oh, fuck this guy and fuck him forever. Because neighbors are minds over stuff.
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Ceruti
Yeah, all that property line shit could be made to like, they could. You could pay to have it built. And then, you know, a couple years from now, he could decide, like, you know what? I actually don't. I never said yes to that. I want you to take it down. And you would have to like, that's a.
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Ryan Rosillo
That.
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Ceruti
That property line stuff is no joke.
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Ryan Rosillo
So I also, you know, if he's willing to have his entire backyard torn up and we could sit here and pretend like the kid's probably going to get sick of it, but if there's nothing to do, he might not ever get sick of it. And if the dad enjoys, like, instead of watching a game, he's like, I'm.
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Ceruti
Going to watch work on wheelies back there.
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Ryan Rosillo
Beats back there. Tear it up. I do think there's some sort of correlation between Lawn maintenance and iq. I know. The dumbest. Yeah, I know. The dumbest I've ever been is the least amount of care that I ever had for any surrounding landscaping whatsoever. When our landlord came to evict us out of a house and he started motherfucking me pretty bad even though I was the only one paying rent at the time. So I was like, well look, I'm the only one paying rent. He's like, yeah, one fourth of it and everybody else isn't and you guys are out of here. And he's like, and look at the landscape. Like, this place is a fucking mess. I'm like, dude, you think, you think we're going to be out there drilling the hedges, dude? So, yeah, I think if you had a scale of like where my IQ was, that was probably when it was at its absolute lowest. Just functional day to day stuff it wasn't great with. There might be a correlation there. So if you're thinking this guy doesn't care about his backyard whatsoever, that it's now become the scene out of the last Woodstock that they try to have or maybe even the first one, he, he may be like really tough to reason with. So clearly, clearly you have to get the yes because you could end up with two no's.
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Ceruti
That's the worst.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, okay. We're good, right?
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Ceruti
Yeah, I'm good.
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Ryan Rosillo
Chipotle Bull insanity. What's up guys? Longtime listener here with the chipotle Baseball quandary. 2963, 215 comp. Bill Lambert, tough defender, rebounder who can sneaky, step out and hit a baseline jumper. Here's the situation. Chipotle recently ran a promotion. If you wear a college football jersey, you get a Bogo bowl or burrito. I have a friend, let's call him Reed. Reed, myself and some other friends were all on NCAA 26, the video game playing in our Dynasty league. I asked Reed if he had taken advantage of the Chipotle deal as he loves their bowls and eats their at least once week. And he said that he had and chuckled to himself. Reed proceeded to say that he'd gone during lunch to two different locations and scored the deal twice, meaning four bowls in total. He then went to another location during dinner and got the deal again for a total of six burrito bowls. Now I think this is total abuse of the promotion and Reid obviously thinks he's done nothing wrong, morally or otherwise. I just don't think it's right to do. Never mind the fact that leftover Chipotle is easily top five Worst leftovers to have. Reed's counter. Yeah, Reed's. This guy loves it.
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Kyle
It's insane.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, Reed's counter was. He did still have to pay for three bowls at full price, which I can appreciate, but the three trips is just a bridge too far in my eyes. It makes me think of the Chipotle hot sauce debate from a while back that gets brought up from time to time. And I clearly side with Ryan in that debate. Interested to hear where you guys fall in this one. I just wanted to know if I'm being a stick in the mud or if Reed is wrong. Sounds like you guys are hot on this one. Take the floor.
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Ceruti
He's put in the legwork. He's going to three Chipotle. He's finding time.
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Ryan Rosillo
I mean, he's putting on the jerseys.
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Ceruti
Nowadays today, people don't even want to call up a place and to order food. Like, if they can't do it without an interaction, you know, they're not even doing it if it's not on doordash. They're like, I don't even. I don't even eat there. So I think the fact that this guy's put in the legwork, he's. He's giving business to three different Chipotle's. It's not like he's, you know, changing jerseys and waiting for the shift change at his one Chipotle. You know, I think this is. This is not abuse. I think this is creative, whatever you want to call it, but manipulation. You're making lemonades with lemonade.
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Ryan Rosillo
His lawn must be immaculate.
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Ceruti
Yeah, I think, because it's different businesses, and he's finding the time to go do that. Like, whatever, man. It's probably a limited time only, you know, whatever that fine print is, he's certainly within the parameters. So you could be like, dude, what a way to spend your time. And you could judge him for that. But I don't think he's doing anything wrong. I think. Yeah, I think he might be a stick in the mud. Thanks for listening.
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Kyle
Yeah, Everything Kyle said, but also, why do you care? This doesn't affect you. It doesn't. He's not hurting us, literally.
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Ceruti
Stockholder. I knew you're going to say that.
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Kyle
If anything, the promo's working. They want more. The whole point is that more people like, they are. The whole point of this promo is that more people buy Bulls. Right? Doesn't matter if it's the same person, because clearly they're making a profit no matter what. They want to get more people in the Building. So it's. Even if he is a Chipotle shareholder, like, it doesn't even matter. Like, this is. This is a victimless crime in my opinion. Like, especially if, again, if this was a mom and pop shop and you're taking. We've done this before. If you're taking advantage of things like that, then yes, that's kind of a shitty thing to do. But if it's like a conglomerate chain that three. This guy getting three different meals at three different locations isn't going to even be a blip on the radar of their revenue sheet, then why do you care about it? Dude, this is very strange to me, right?
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Ceruti
They paid a marketing company millions of dollars to come up with idea. And this guy walked into three different Chipotle's, which is totally what they wanted.
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Kyle
Also, leftover Chipotle. Not that bad. I mean, if you. You can't put like the lettuce in it. So if you get like just the meat, beans, rice kind of combination, maybe some veggies, it's fine.
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Ceruti
It just has to be reheated or.
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Kyle
You get the lettuce on the side. I'm talking about if you get a bowl or something. But yeah, the burrito, probably not.
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Ceruti
You guys getting both? You're getting both?
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Kyle
Yeah, I get a bowl. Now I'm on soft.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Kyle
Occasionally I'll do the quesadilla, which is very good. Although the Chipotle in my town got shut down because of a health code violation, so I don't have a Chipotle situation, which is kind of a bummer. And they were reopening and my wife and I were talking like, do you go after they reopen from a health code violation? Like, yeah, you think so? I don't know.
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Ceruti
I look different than you guys. You know, I guess it's kind of.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like the drop where it's like, which place do you hit? And you're like, you hit the place that just got hit. Right.
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Kyle
So do you think they'll be extra clean because of the violation, or do you think there's still going to be problems?
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Ryan Rosillo
I have a feeling that's extra clean. Yeah. It's a bit of a call.
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Ceruti
If it was a local, I'd be like, they're not changing. There's one place in our town that like, you can just like. I didn't realize that you can like, go on. There was some sort of story in the Poughkeepsie Journal where it's like, you know, longtime place gets hit with, you know, this many violations or Whatever. And there was a link to the actual, like, businesses in the town and, like, what their past health codes are. And it's like this place has never gotten higher than, like, a B. And you just go over the years, you're like, oh, you know, McDonald's would never do anything like this. But this local spot is just like, it's the same owners. They care about what they care about. They care about staying open is what they care about.
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Ryan Rosillo
I haven't even gone yet, and our emailer's taking it on the chin. But I agree with you guys. I do think it's different. And this is kind of like one of my core principles. But things that are similar are not the same. And we try way too often in all sorts of discussions on every single subject where it's like you think you got the person because something is similar. But again, it doesn't mean that it's the same. And I don't think this is the same. I mean, if he wants to sit there, put on a jersey multiple times a day and show up and then pay for one bowl, and they're going to keep like, they build these promotions thinking nobody's actually going to do this. And your guy did it.
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Ceruti
They just three xed with him.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, right. The person stealing the hot sauce bottle just doesn't. They're not thinking about anyone else. Chipotle's not going to run out of burrito material where the person that steals the hot sauce bottle is only thinking about themselves. And then again, everybody did it. Now if we apply the if everybody did it thing.
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Ceruti
The promotion would end next week and then that'd be that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Would it. Or would they be fired up? I don't know. I don't know. I think they're different. And I think you being mad at your friend about this, I would. I don't know that you have to apologize, but just let them be. Let em throw the jerseys on and get this going.
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Ceruti
Maybe go have it next time, right? Actually, God, you need a college jersey, though, because I don't think I have one of those.
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Ryan Rosillo
I have a Rob Conrad one still lying around. You'd fit nice in that. It was a little baggy.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Thank you.
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Ceruti
I can tell by your facial expression you mean.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean. Shout out to Rob Conrad. That'll do it. For the show today, I want to thank Worgon for all of his work on the show. I don't want to acknowledge anything's changed. I just want to thank him for everything that he's done on the show. Thanks to Ceruti thanks to Kyle thanks to Jonathan Frias. Ryan Rosillo Podcast Ringer Spotify they were.
- [99:11]
Kyle
Going to name me Michael Jordan. My dad was like, I don't think.
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Ryan Rosillo
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