Big Cat on the First CFB Playoff Rankings. Plus, Giannis, Embiid, and NBA Trade Demands.

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Episode Title: Big Cat on the First CFB Playoff Rankings. Plus, Giannis, Embiid, and NBA Trade Demands
Release Date: November 6, 2024
Host: Ryen Russillo | Guest: Big Cat from Barstool

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1. Introduction to Main Topics

In this episode, Ryen Russillo delves into several pressing topics in the sports world. The primary discussions revolve around the Milwaukee Bucks' underwhelming start to the NBA season, Joel Embiid and the Philadelphia 76ers' challenges, the current landscape of NBA trade demands, and an in-depth analysis of the first College Football Playoff (CFP) rankings by guest Big Cat from Barstool.

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2. NBA Discussion

a. Milwaukee Bucks’ Performance

Ryen begins by addressing the disappointing start of the Milwaukee Bucks, highlighting their 1–6 record early in the season.

Ryen Russillo [00:15]: "At two years later, maybe that's it, but because of Giannis, I don't like doing that."

He emphasizes Giannis Antetokounmpo's pivotal role, asserting his belief in Giannis as a top-tier player capable of keeping the Bucks competitive despite recent setbacks.

Ryen Russillo [00:30]: "To me, top three player in the league, he's still fantastic."

b. Joel Embiid and the Philadelphia 76ers

The conversation shifts to Joel Embiid and the struggles of the 76ers, compounded by Embiid's recent suspension and controversial statements about his relationship with Philadelphia.

Ryen Russillo [04:20]: "Embiid signed a three-year extension in September with Philadelphia. That means in 28-29, at 35 years old, Joel Embiid will be making 69 million a year."

Ryen discusses the implications of Embiid’s financial commitments and future with the team, questioning the sustainability of such contracts.

c. NBA Trade Demands and Current Landscape

Big Cat critiques the current NBA trade environment, noting its relative quietness compared to previous years marked by high-profile trade requests.

Big Cat [15:00]: "The reminder is once again, it's been kind of quiet."

Ryen agrees, reflecting on past trade demands and expressing uncertainty about the future dynamics of player trades.

Ryen Russillo [16:00]: "It was a dead trade deadline show."

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3. College Football Playoff Rankings

a. Big Cat’s Perspective on the 12-Team Playoff

Big Cat advocates for the expanded 12-team playoff, arguing that it better accommodates the increased parity in college football brought about by the Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) rules and the transfer portal.

Big Cat [15:11]: "The 12 team playoff is perfect for right now in college football."

He contends that this format allows more teams a genuine chance to compete for the championship, citing the unpredictability and competitiveness it fosters.

b. Analysis of Current Top Teams and Rankings

Big Cat scrutinizes the initial rankings, suggesting adjustments based on team performances and strengths of schedule. He particularly highlights teams like Indiana, BYU, and SMU, advocating for their higher placement over traditionally favored teams like Notre Dame.

Big Cat [24:25]: "BYU should be ahead of Indiana and BYU is getting a ton of disrespect because BYU, what have they done?"

Ryen engages with Big Cat’s analysis, debating the merits of various teams’ performances and the committee's decisions.

Ryen Russillo [27:03]: "What is Texas hanging their hat on?"

The duo further debates specific rankings, the implications of upcoming games, and the overall fairness of the current standings.

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4. Life Advice and Personal Anecdotes

Transitioning from sports talk, the podcast includes a segment where the hosts share personal stories and offer life advice. This segment provides a more relaxed and humorous break from the intense sports analysis.

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5. Listener Q&A: Navigating Personal Challenges

A listener named Harry, an 18-year-old from Toronto, presents a dilemma involving a friend who unexpectedly visited his home while his wife was out. Harry is anxious about being implicated in potentially shady behavior and seeks advice on handling the situation without compromising his integrity or relationship.

Harry [89:05]: "Should I tell her I'm not that close with Tom? If he was a core crew guy, I'd probably talk to him first."

Advice from Hosts:

• Kyle [92:32]: Suggests that Tom is likely to face consequences regardless and advises Harry to mind his own business unless directly confronted.
• Ceruti [93:21]: Emphasizes that Harry doesn’t owe anything to Tom and should prioritize his loyalty to his wife.
• Ryen Russillo [93:30]: Recommends honesty and transparency, advising Harry to explain the situation truthfully if questioned.

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6. Vince Carter’s Jersey Retirement and Raptors' Legacy

The episode takes a critical turn as Ryen addresses a listener’s email expressing strong feelings about Vince Carter’s jersey retirement by the Toronto Raptors. The listener argues that Carter's complex legacy, marred by past controversies, should not overshadow his on-court contributions.

Listener Harry [80:32]: "Vince’s legacy in Toronto is complicated... Carter's legacy is being promoted despite his past actions."

Discussion Highlights:

• Ryen [85:00]: Acknowledges the generational divide among Raptors fans and the importance of recognizing both Carter’s achievements and his off-court issues.
• Big Cat and Ceruti: Share their perspectives on similar situations with other players, emphasizing the challenge of balancing legacy with personal conduct.

Ceruti [83:00]: "If you're right, Ryan, if they're having a bad season, put the number up there. It's business."

The hosts debate the appropriateness of honoring players with complicated histories, considering both their contributions to the sport and their personal shortcomings.

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7. Conclusion

The episode wraps up with light-hearted banter among the hosts, touching on personal anecdotes, plans for future episodes, and humorous exchanges about their interactions and experiences outside of the main topics discussed.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ryen Russillo [00:30]: "To me, top three player in the league, he's still fantastic."
• Big Cat [15:11]: "The 12 team playoff is perfect for right now in college football."
• Ryen Russillo [27:03]: "What is Texas hanging their hat on?"
• Listener Harry [80:32]: "Vince’s legacy in Toronto is complicated... Carter's legacy is being promoted despite his past actions."

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This episode of The Ryen Russillo Podcast offers a comprehensive exploration of both NBA and college football landscapes, intertwined with personal stories and listener interactions, providing listeners with insightful analysis and relatable discussions.

Transcript

[Ryan Rosillo]

On today's bod, I want to talk a little bit about Giannis and the bad start for the Bucks. There's a bad start for the Sixers, but it's because Embiid hasn't even played yet. And hypothetical NBA type things that may not even be accurate right now, but we're doing it anyway. We've got Big Cat from Barstool. Ever heard of him? We're talking College Football Playoff rankings. The rankings came out last night. We ran through all of the teams, different scenarios, and then he started questioning me quite a bit at the end. I don't know if that's going to help the pot a ton. And we've got life advice. I want to talk about Yanis and Embiid. To start today's podcast, there's a couple different things depending on where the timeline. So I'll just kind of jump into it. So if we look at the start of the season from the Milwaukee Bucks, not great, Bob. They're one in six. We can keep talking about Chris Middleton coming back, but, I mean, even with him back, I don't know, you know, like, what is. Hey, everything's. Everything's fixed. I can't imagine that they're going to be this bad. I think I'll always hold out hope for them to be competitive or, hey, that's a tough out in the playoffs just because of Giannis. To me, top three player in the league, he's still fantastic. But when you look back at their timeline, you know, you go through the franchise index, okay, when's the last time you were scared of them? Well, two years ago, they won 58 games, but we all know they lost the heat in the 18 matchup. Giannis missed half of that series with that back injury, but that was alarming. And when a team dies, it's different than when a person dies, because when a person dies, there's the date that we know that it happened. And when it happens to a team, we usually don't know the date until after it's happened, where you'll look back and go, oh, that's when it all went downhill. And I think at this point, there's an argument to me, two plus years later, like, that might have been it, but because of Giannis, I don't like doing that. We can look at the rest of the future stuff and say, okay, well, Dame probably hasn't been the ceiling raiser that you would have hoped, but they weren't healthy last year going into the playoffs, so, you know, here we go again. Their draft capital has been talked about a lot. They don't control any of their first round picks until 2031. And it's important to remember that control and then not having any are two entirely different things where if a swap doesn't happen, or if a swap does happen and then they have the other teams pick, it means on draft night they could trade that pick. So it's not like there's no possibility of pulling anything off. They burned five second rounders on Jay Crowder, which should be a lesson. And I've seen a lot of, like, looking at their picks in the late first, early seconds, these rotation hopefuls that haven't worked out where I think that part becomes a little unfair to franchise just because of how hard it is. It'd be nice to hit on one and feel like it's a real rotation contributor. But is it realistic that you're going to draft anybody in that spot? Sure, Tyrese Maxey worked out, but it was just a brilliant pick. It worked out. It's beyond expectations. But for the most part, like, I just think you start to pile on some of these franchises where it feels like they're losing all kinds of momentum. So when Giannis was talking with Sam Amick, who had relayed this joke where he basically was asking Giannis, like, what do you think will happen? And Giannis kind of jokingly grabbed a staffer and said, hey, if we don't win, like, do you think you'll get fired? And then he alluded to, and I'm paraphrasing the entire quote here because the point of the quote, it felt like it was a joke that got turned into something else, where it was a hint when Giannis was like, who knows, maybe I would get traded. And then you're thinking, all right, is this anything? Does this actually mean anything? And then they get off to this awful start. All right, so let's hold that thought for a second. Embiid has had a different week. He had some media availability where he said, quote, I've done too much for this fucking city. And when that made the rounds, I'll admit, the first time I saw it, I went, oh, like, that's. That's pretty heavy. Then when you went and looked at all of the available audio and why he was up so, so upset, it was directly related to the fact that the columnist that made one of the toughest transitions and one of the worst points you'll make, like, you want to get on a beat for not playing enough, fine. You want to point out that if he wants to have some kind of legacy in the city, okay, fine. But you can't do that without playing and honoring your brother who died in a car accident. Again, I cannot believe somebody wrote that was like, yep, that's the point I want to make. So Embiid was really more upset about that specific thing that motivated that quote, where, when that quote lived by itself without more depth. I thought, is this some kind of hint about how Embiid feels about his relationship with the organization and the city and all these different things? And then of course, he gets to the altercation this weekend. He's been suspended three games. Yes, I've seen the joke about the real suspension should make him play three games. I've seen, I've seen the joke, folks. So Embiid signed a three year extension in September with Philadelphia. So what does that mean? Well, the extension was three years, 193 million. That takes him through 2829. He declined a player's option in 2627. So that's the two years. Get rid of the option, add the three new ones. So that means in 2829, at 35 years old, Joel Embiid will be making 69 million a year. That 69 million a year number sounds staggering right now. When the cap goes up as it does and everything will happen, like, I don't know if there'll be a world where you're like, oh, it's not even that bad. But yeah, it'll. The blow will be lessened. But today, as we start the 2425 season, you're like, man, 70 million for Embiid five years from now, what's that going to look like? You could. And if you want to look at his career earnings, that's going to put him fourth behind LeBron, Steph and teammate Paul George. You could focus on just the basketball part of Embiid's quote about, you know, I've done so much for the city. I mean, if you really wanted to be nasty, you could go, well, fourth highest in career earnings. And you've done like, are you talking about second round appearances? But that's not. I don't know that that's entirely. I mean, I guess from just a basketball sense, you could say that it's entirely fair. But I think there's probably more to it. And when you're Embiid, you're not sitting around like, the relationship with a pro athlete in the organization, in the city, like, how many athletes would be like, I've been really well compensated and all my dreams have come true and I haven't done enough. So it's all my fault. It's usually not what happens. So the frustration of the week, maybe there's nothing to worry about here. Unless. Unless it has been really quiet in the NBA trade landscape. Next mad NBA player. My default rule was always when it's quiet, just give it a few more months. Because that's how this league had been going for a really long time. We had nothing really of significance this summer. The trade deadline show I did with Simmons super bowl week, we spent 30 minutes on Bogdanovich going to the Knicks because there was nothing else to talk about. A little cap clear there for OKC Charlotte deal. I mean, that was a dead trade deadline show. And I remember thinking about Bogdanovich going. Knowing Tibbs, I wonder if Bogdanovich will even be part of the closing group with the Knicks. But we had nothing else to talk about. So the reminder is once again, it's been kind of quiet. It's been kind of quiet since the hardened three trade requests in three years run. I guess you could say Donovan Mitchell a little bit. But that was more about a team that was entirely ready to turn the page and go in a different direction after they'd already moved Royce O'Neal. And then the go Bear part of that shout out to Windhorst and then, you know, Mitchell ends up in Cleveland. I think the Cleveland thing is kind of funny because there was so many behind the scenes rumblings, which I want to bring up with Giannis here, where it's like, ah, Mitchell's probably gone. And you know, that was just what everybody was kind of saying the same thing and repeating everything else. And then Mitchell ends up staying and signing his extension right with Cleveland. So we know that part of it. So after our timeline of, of Ben Sim, I don't even know if Ben Simmons counts. I feel like he shouldn't, but he, he does. You know, I probably could bring up Dame Lillard as like a soft version of it. The Garnett trade request where you definitely want to be traded but you definitely care. Especially coming from a smaller market of how you're perceived. You want it to be like a friendly divorce, like, hey, I'm still going to be in the kid's life, you know, and if you need any help around the house, like, you know, I love using the DeWalt. So the Lillard one is real. It's just not like full blown anarchy like we've had with some other ones. I've also brought up this Point, which I think is an interesting point, but not necessarily like a predictor of the future, that the US Guys and the international guys, the stars in the NBA, the track record is that it's to different approaches. The US Guys, when they're over it, are like, I'm out, I'm over it. You figure it out. The international guys have not done that. They just haven't. Doesn't mean it's never going to happen. I believe it will happen at some point, but I only bring it up not as a predictor, but as an interesting part of the discussion. So I think the question you have to ask is, did we get any real clues? Like, did we get any real clues throughout any of this? Well, my first thing would be as bad as the Bucks are, talk to me. 20 plus games in. I don't want to really think I know anything about a basketball team, especially one with somebody like Giannis still on it. I don't want to. Like, it's an awful start. I get how bad it is, but let's see where we're at. 20 plus games in. All right, The Sixers, the real Sixers, haven't even started yet. So that record is completely irrelevant. Like, I can't judge a basketball thing that's not even the real thing yet. They just got Paul George back, and Embiid after the suspension is going to. At least he's scheduled to be making his his season debut here. So the real part of what the Sixers are, I can't even tell you what it looks like because none of us have even seen it, but I guess because I love talking about the NBA and this is part of the NBA product, I do have those moments where I wonder, like, what if it really did get that bad in Milwaukee this year? What if it was just a disastrous year for the Sixers? Like, what if it just doesn't work out? What would happen? Because the other part of this that's the more modern version of what we've seen in the NBA, and I don't know that that has a direct correlation to the lack of angry trade demands that I've talked about here, is that you could see this happening a few years ago where the players just take the extensions, right? It is the NBA transfer portal. They don't. It's like, all right, well, sure, if you're going to like Embiid, he could have waited it out, but based on his track record and his history of health issues, like when the Sixers did the extension, you could argue he just wanted the Extension already. Like, is that a good thing? Is that a good sign? And they did it. And even with that extension, I don't think the stigma exists anymore of, well, you just signed this extension. Like, Durant. Durant's four year extension with the Nets hadn't even kicked in yet. And he was like, fire everybody. Okay, you're not now I want out of here. And then he came back. They played up until the deadline, so the extensions feel irrelevant now. About like, well, how will this look if I've signed an extension and it's going out until 28, 29 and I were to hint at the soft launch into a trade demand, look, even within Bede's health and how bad the back years could look, I think most front offices, if he were ever available, would say, oh my God, that's awful at the end, okay, cool, let's do it. Because we don't have anything that matches that. Like, maybe it's a two year window here and then we take all of our medicine later on. Maybe some smart teams who just go like, look, we cannot, we can't do something like that. And I think a Giannis thing, if it were to get to that, would be in a different market altogether. And it's why we, like, when you look at okc, even though they've been like frugal about everything and saying, well, we don't want to do this, we don't do that. I mean, the crazy thing is OKC could maybe win this whole thing this year and you could make some kind of argument of like, would you want to disrupt that? But that's not usually how basketball teams operate. They would go, what are we going to look like when our five best players are out there all at the same time? And we could add Giannis to that mix on top of everything that we already have. Like, that would feel like the one time our press be like, okay, these picks have been fun. It's fun to read all the stuff. And I have 17 in control of 31 and I have all these swaps. It's like, now you just go ahead and do it. I don't even know if we would even get to that point. It's going to be a tough rumor season, though, for Bucks fans. Like, if you're a parent of a Bucks fan, you're going to be updating them a lot and a lot of different stuff. I think Bucs fans are looking at it as just all the other teams trying to mess with their franchise. I don't think it's just That I think it's just what this sport is and always having to be kind of on edge or at least just aware of what scenarios could play out if things are way below expectations. So much of what we want to do can seem impossible. Big ambitions, lofty goals. Are you there yet? Me neither. But believe it or not, that's a good thing. The highest achievers among us are the people still striving, still reaching for something. It's those people who approach the impossible and embrace it. There's a vehicle for people like that. It's called the defender. The entire defender lineup is engineered to meet challenges head on with legendary capability off road or in the city. Its tough, rigid body design and refined details make the journey ahead not possible, but comfortable. It's an icon reimagined for the next generation of explorers. Discover the full defender lineup @Land Rover USA.com that's Land Rover USA.com. well, the results are in, and we're doing a special taping late at night because it's probably the number one topic in America, and that is the college football rankings are out. And to join us at nighttime taping, I'm excited. We've got Big Cat. What's up, man?

[Big Cat]

Hey. I feel good. I just passed a kidney stone. This is the first show I'm doing after that, literally like 30 minutes ago. So I'm feeling good. I'm. I'm ready to go. We got some rankings. We got. Everyone's tweeting politics. I'm tweeting a picture of my kidney stone and action clips. So I feel like I'm. I'm in the perfect sweet spot right now.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, that's right. So what do you got? One stone down, three to go.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So the other three are still in the kidney and they're smaller, so hopefully they just stay there. I don't know if. I don't know if that's how that works, but, yeah, I'm. I'm ready to go. I did vote today. I wanted to say I. I'm not looking for credit. Okay. But I thought of you because I. I don't want to get into the whole thing, you know, we're going to do a redraftable in a minute, but there was a question. Should you tax millionaires more? And I voted yes. So listen, not looking for credit, but if anyone wants to say, hey, good job, Big Cat, you're looking out for everyone else that hurts you. That's fine.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. And you're not broke, so that means you really care.

[Big Cat]

I saw the question And I like, you're. I just thought of you while I'm standing in the voting booth.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was. It was whatever. I can't win no matter what I said.

[Kyle]

So how you do.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I couldn't.

[Big Cat]

Could I just say two other things before we get into the college football? I didn't know when we were very good friends. I don't know when it became that I had to be booked to come on your show. And your booker, Allison, is wonderful. She's the best. But I didn't know that was a thing. She texted me and I was like, oh, I guess Ryan just lost my phone number. But I was happy to do this. I'm excited to talk college ball with you. I didn't, like, fully put it all together until, like, two nights ago. And I was like, wait, we're doing this podcast at 8pm Central Time on election night.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay, but that's more about your schedule. Yes, we're doing it tonight, so I would have done it tomorrow morning as. As both of us have one eye over to. To what's potentially going down here. No, I got Max on the booking thing. Yeah, on the booking thing. This is coming up. It's becoming a thing with people that I'm friends with. Like, Sarah Walsh was the most offended of anybody where she goes, you have to go. I have to go through, like, an intermediary with you. And I went, look, it's not a big time thing at all. It's that Saruti and Allison put the puzzle pieces together for me. And I don't have. If I don't have it visually in front of me at that time, it's just way easier than having to go back to them and coordinate the whole thing. So once you and I were like, hey, we're going to do this, then it was just way easier for me to be like, alison, reach out to him so that you plug him into the right slot.

[Big Cat]

You, to your credit, you do it correctly. Because we have our booker, Josh, who's phenomenal. If you're coming on, I'll text you and be like, hey, you want to come on? And then like on a Tuesday at like 4:00, he'd be like, wait, do we need a guest? I'm like, no, we already taped with Priscilla. So you're right. You do it correctly. I do it incorrectly. You're thinking about everyone else, the whole team. I'm not.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, team guy. Which, you know, may surprise you with some of your political thoughts. Let's get to it. Let's get into this because as we have argued about this now for years and my position is well documented that I didn't want to come to this. But much like the playing game, when the playing games happen in the NBA, it doesn't mean I will just sit and stew and not enjoy enjoyable basketball with things at stake. And it's the same thing with this. I think the most surprising thing was the lack of surprises. I was trying to figure out as I looked at the AP stuff again before the show was on ESPN and all those guys were great on the show. And we get the 12 teams, you count it down 25 and then it's the first two out, 13 and 14 and I'm looking at it, I'm going, where are. I was trying to figure out because the committee usually would give us a couple surprises where then the AP would almost catch up to the selection committee week later if nothing was like dramatically changed in Saturday Slate. And if you look at this, the top 13 schools, it's the same 13. The only change is they have Ohio State two in Georgia three. So if you were to ask me like, what was the surprise? The first thing was that there wasn't really something that felt completely out of whack in comparison to how the AP has been going the last couple of weeks.

[Big Cat]

Okay, so I have a couple surprises, but I want to address first your wrong take about the College Football Playoff. Now, I'll admit I got to the right answer with like bad work. Remember like when you would have to like scribble work and you're like, you're looking in the back of the book for the math answer and you're like, I'm just going to, I'm going to pretend that I did the work here and I oh boop. I got it right. So the 12 team playoff is perfect. If you look at this, this field right now, I don't think it's just four teams that can win it all like it has been in years past. So the 12 team playoff is perfect for right now in college football. If this was a 12 team playoff five years ago, 10 years ago, I think you would have been right. But because the NIL and the transfer portal has flattened the competition a little bit and there's more parity, I'm very, very excited for the 12 team playoff. So I got to the right answer that we needed a 12 team playoff. I just didn't expect it to be beneficial for the NIL and those transfer portal to get us to this point where there's more parity and a Sport that usually has no parity. Because remember those years where it was like, there's two teams that can win it all, maybe three, and we do a 14 playoff. Now I really do think, like, there are four, there are five or six teams that I could confidently say could win the whole thing. And yeah, of course, Oregon has looked better than everyone and Georgia is, you know, Georgia's had its bumps, but they look really good still. So that. That you have been wrong. But I was. I'm right. You're wrong. I just got there in a fucked up way. Does that make sense?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, because you told me I was wrong forever. Then you actually apologized to me in August for saying that I was right about this. And then a couple weeks ago, you sent me a text and now I think there was a public statement made where you were retracting the apology that just once again proved. Here's what. Here's what I would tell you. There's still hope, though, for you being wrong. No, because you, you. Because you and others that think now parody is the new normal. Because we're nine weeks into one season.

[Big Cat]

Of course.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, I do not understand this. Like, I look at the world through, like, plate tectonics, okay? I. I think you have to see things move for a long period of time to come up with some definitive answer. So did the nil and the transfer portal really lead to parity, or did there happen to be a year that feels like there is parity? Because if you're saying that it's only happening for that, well, then you completely flawed part of the position is that. So that means prior to this, we've never just had a season of parity because that was an older system. So maybe there is parity. Maybe it's wide open. Maybe we get to nine teams. We're not going. No way. They can't win a national championship, which is an exercise that we should do. But for everyone to be in a rush that college football is now forever changed and this is the new norm. I need multiple seasons of seeing this play out before I'm ready to accept it as the new normal.

[Big Cat]

And that is the difference between you and me. We. We are like Ying and Yang, oil and water when it comes to this stuff. You need like five years of debt to then be like, all right, here's my opinion. I need maybe a week and a half to be like, yep, this is what's going to happen for the rest of my life. My pushback on that would be Diego Pavia. That's a. That's a, like that's a transfer portal guy who Vanderbilt like doesn't have the season they're having if they don't get a Diego Pavia, the entire Indiana roster, Cam Ward at Miami. Like, these are the moves that you can get some of these big time players that can change the scope of where your program is going in a flash. And it doesn't take years and years and years of stacking recruiting on recruiting on recruiting that only the big dogs could do.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right, Like a homegrown guy like Cam Newton.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, right, exactly. Well, he stole some laptops.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Accused. I don't say anything because I haven't got to that episode of the Hernandez.

[Big Cat]

Okay, wait. All right, so. So here are my surprises. You ready for my surprises?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Yeah. Given to you, I think I am one.

[Big Cat]

I understand the case against Indiana. I'll make the case for Indiana. They've killed everyone. And I know how the committee usually works. They need like the data point of a good win outweighs a weak undefeated schedule. But if you look at Indiana and like in Ohio State and I get it, Ohio State, their win against Penn State on the road is better than anything Indiana has done. They have two common opponents, Nebraska and Michigan State. Indiana killed both. Ohio State struggled with Nebraska. So I think Indiana should have been a little higher. I also think BYU should be ahead of Indiana and BYU is getting a ton of disrespect because byu, what have they done? They have won. They killed Pitt on a ranked pit team, which I know they were a little fraudulent, but they killed them. They beat Louisville ranked Louisville team on the road and their only loss or sorry, they're undefeated and then they beat SMU at SMU who's really, really good. So I like what, what is byu? Because they've, they've had some close calls. Like BYU should be higher ranked in my opinion. I, I'm a big believer. Especially at this point of the season when it's the first rankings. Why not just put the undefeated teams higher? Like you know, it's going to all figure out. You know, Indiana and Ohio State are going to play each other, reward those teams and obviously it doesn't mean anything ultimately. But like Indiana and BYU do have not lost and they've, and they've. And Indiana especially has killed everyone. Why, why are we, why are there one loss teams that far ahead of them?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay, a couple different things. I think you might have been confusing BYU's schedule. Somebody else.

[Big Cat]

Oh wait, I was thinking SMU. Sorry, SMU should be higher. SMU should be higher BYU, it, I think also should be higher because they are undefeated. BYU did beat smu. SMU beat Pitt. SMU beat Louisville on the road. SMU only has one loss to byu. That's where I got my confusion. SMU should be in the top 12 as well.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right, so a better host would have done this before. Oregon's one, Ohio State's two, Georgia's three, Miami's four. But it's also important to remember that since Ohio State is not the conference champ in this, they would be a five seed.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So that would put BYU as the Big 12 champ, as the 4 seed. There's also a Boise BYU conversation or a Boise Big 12 champion conversation because they're still open to be in the four seed and all this. And then the rest of the way through five through 12, it's Texas, Penn State, Tennessee, Indiana, BYU, Notre Dame, Alabama, Boise State. Rounding out your 12, SMU, A&M, they put that up as like the next two out starting at A and M. Though there's that SEC block of all those two lost teams. There's still five SEC teams with only one conference loss. So the SEC thing, I was wondering if they were maybe going to be in love with the SEC the way the committee has been accurately. So I would argue in the past where you maybe saw, you know, them head of SMU, maybe Boise was 14. You know, maybe it was going to be Notre Dame 12. And then all of a sudden like I, you know, they didn't want to do it with the second loss. They gave it to Bama with their second loss because of the Georgia win. But I. Let's start with the BYU Indiana conversation because I don't want to turn this into not, not liking Indiana. But if they lose to Ohio State, I wonder are they still in this thing, avoiding also in a Big Ten championship game because they have them where they have them. It seems like more people want them higher because they're undefeated. The argument against is pretty simple. Their strength of schedule is 103. Yeah. Their best win is a 5 and 4 Nebraska. You're right, they've housed them. They've housed a lot of opponents. Having Roark out one game against Washington, they still were in control of that game with a backup quarterback and Jax Davis who played at least last year. So it wasn't a massive departure, but they'll have played six of the bottom eight Big Ten teams. So if you want to get mad about Indiana, you have to get mad about BYU first, which is I think of what you're doing because the strength of Schedule 61 to 103 and the Nebraska win is not nearly as good as the win at SMU or the dominant like granted that case day game was weird, but they still destroyed them.

[Big Cat]

They destroyed them. Yes. And that so, so I screwed up because I did confuse SMU and BYU because they played each other. But yes, BYU should be higher than Indiana. I think Indiana should be higher overall again.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay, then who, then how, how do you want to do it? Do you want to move Penn State down? You want to move Texas down?

[Big Cat]

I mean what, what, what is Texas hanging their hat on?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I know it's, it's fair to get into it and then I'll just.

[Big Cat]

Michigan because we could do this all day.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, your assumptions can be, you know, you can throw assumption at me and I'm only going to be able to counteract him with more assumptions. But here's mine. I think Texas is better than a bunch of these teams.

[Big Cat]

Agreed. I. Listen, I'm not saying I. We totally agree. Like in terms of if you're ranking it, what you think is who, what team you think is better, I get it, but I just am like these first rankings don't mean shit because everything's still ahead of us and they got to play them out. I would just like to see rewarding an undefeated team. That's all. Because I just, I think that it's.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It goes back even if you haven't played anybody yet. Really?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I mean Indiana has been killing everyone. I think it's more just. I like the story of Indiana and I'm biased here. I like the story of Indiana, I like the story of byu. I like those teams that are, they feel like party crashers. And we've done the Texas thing a million times. We've done the Ohio State thing, the Penn State thing a million times where it's like, I don't know, I just like the newness of them. And if you don't lose on the field, I just give you more credit. I don't know, I mean, again, Indiana has to play Ohio State, so we'll see. BYU does not have a tough schedule ahead of them. They should walk into the Big 12 championship. And if BYU wins the Big 12 championship, the interesting thing is going to be if BYU wins a Big 12 championship, that's a one bid league, kind of similar to if, if Miami beats SMU in the acc, that's probably a one bid league. So now you're getting all the SEC and the Big Ten, you know, mess Coming in. Right. Like, that's what's going to happen. That's what happened over the weekend with the Big 12 having chaos and Clemson losing the way they did that. It basically put those two. Two conferences boxed into. If they're undefeated, team ends up winning it all, they're going to have a tough time getting two teams in.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Because if you look at the dispersal of the first 12, SEC, 4 Big Ten, 4 ACC, 1, the Clemson loss, you know, kind of eliminates them from all of this. It's also kind of a problem that I have. Like, I think Miami's good.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But I'm going to have a really hard time with them at 12 and oh. Of thinking, like, I don't even know if I would have them ahead of BYU if BYU is undefeated.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Miami's interesting because Cam Ward is so phenomenal and he can get them out of everything. But their defense gets them into these problems and it feels like they're playing that, you know, the Virginia Tech game, the Cal game, where it's.

[Ryan Rosillo]

The Duke game.

[Big Cat]

The Duke game. Yeah. I mean, they ended up killing Duke at the end, but like, yeah, yeah, the beginning of the game. It was. It was Harry there. Notre Dame, though. Why is SMU not ahead of Notre Dame? That makes no sense to me. Notre Dame has the worst loss of any of the teams in the top 12. They obviously have a very good win in Texas A and M on the road to start the season. But SMU has beaten. They have. They have a loss that. That's aged very well with byu. When that game happened, we thought, BYU is nothing. They're undefeated and SMU has killed Pitt, a ranked pit team, and then went on the road and beat a ranked Louisville team. So why is SMU behind Notre Dame? That makes no sense to me.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It doesn't make any sense to me either. And I might just be kind of down on Notre Dame from the summer and going like, yeah, they might be all right. I thought the A and M win was a really big deal because I just thought it was a tough game. It's opening night night game down there. The place is wild. And even though it wasn't pretty, it also looked like they had lost the game early on a penalty. And it's like, okay, this. This thing's probably over. And they fought back and they found a way. And the numbers, you know, just across the board, board, you're like, what do I make of this? It's like, well, you had to watch and appreciate whoever won that game because that was a Tough battle. And now since then, you're like, what else is there remaining with their schedule that's going to get me excited about them. So SMU feels like they're trending in a better direction momentum wise than Notre Dame does.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And it's probably the point, like some of these teams where if you go, okay, Indiana, Georgia, who you picking? All right, you really need to discuss it. You picking it like Notre Dame? SMU to me is an actual conversation.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, agreed. It absolutely is a conversation. Because I don't understand the resume. If you put them up against each other, I don't know why. You know, Navy, obviously, the win that way that Notre Dame beat Navy was impressive and Navy was ranked at the time, I didn't think the Navy, I thought Navy was playing bad teams. Kind of like your argument with Indiana and it's like a nice story. We all want to get around it, but I, I expected that result and that result happened. The other one that we should mention is there is that world where like army is still alive and everything ahead of them. And I know that Navy, you know, we saw what Notre Dame looked like against Navy. I think Army's better than Navy. But it's crazy that army could crash the whole party and be, you know, they could even get into a top four. Right. Like if chaos happens, if BYU loses.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Wait, you're talking about Army? Yeah, winning as the group of five. But you could have, you're taking Boise out then, right?

[Big Cat]

Yeah, I guess you'd have to take Boise out too, but there would be chaos. But Army's still there. Tulane's still there. This is why I love the 12 team playoff. There are 21, 22 teams that can conceivably say they still have a shot at getting in, you know, and you have elimination games coming up this weekend with LSU in Alabama, Ole Miss, and Georgia is an elimination game for Ole Miss. This is why the 12 team playoffs, great to me because we're, we're in November and there are 20 teams that can say, hey, if we win the rest of our games, we got a real shot. Colorado's got a real shot. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

When you look at Boise, I mean, good luck trying to find a loss out of that because the Mountain west teams, they have remaining in Nevada, who's terrible, Wyoming isn't any good this year. And then what is it? San Jose State. Yeah, because they just beat San Diego State.

[Big Cat]

So San Jose State. Don't sleep on San Jose State. San Jose State has one of the best wide receivers in the entire college Football. Have you seen him? Nick Nash, the dude is ridiculous.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, no relation to the cash kid, right?

[Big Cat]

I don't think any relation to the cash kid he's got here. Here's one of his lines. Now this was against Kennesaw State, who this back to back games for Nick Nash. 17 receptions, 225 yards, three touchdowns. And then the next game was 16 receptions, 152 yards, two touchdowns.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right, let's go back to the top and kind of work our way down here because the Oregon thing, we've got it. They like Ohio State better than Georgia, as we told you at the top. But Georgia would be the 2 seed as SEC champ and Ohio State behind Oregon makes them the 5. So we already covered that. But who do you think is better? Who do you think has a better Me both answers. Who do you think has a better arg to be number two? Who do you think should be number two?

[Big Cat]

I think Georgia should be number two and I think they're. They're better than Ohio State. If I had to go gun to my head right now, I agree.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Now the thing that I should be able to use is like, hey, I like Beck better than Will Howard. I don't like Beck at all right now.

[Big Cat]

I. Too much eyeball?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, a lot.

[Big Cat]

Way too much eye black.

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, like when he comes into the tunnel with that look, you're like, you gotta be really good. You gotta stop throwing interceptions if you're gonna go sleeve and some of the accessories and all that kind of stuff. And then it's like, man, like, you don't want to have to tell a kid to get his sleeve filled in. But like, you just stop throwing three picks a game. And some of them are so bad.

[Big Cat]

He looks like when you, when you play NCAA football and you're like, let me just go crazy with accessories. And you're like, just chill out, man. Like, just go play quarterback. You don't need to do this. So I'm with you on Beck. I. He's been, he's been bad. I the, the case for Georgia over Ohio State would be Georgia, obviously they've had a couple games where it's like, not look great. Kentucky, even the Mississippi State game was weird. But Georgia, when it boils down to it, Georgia had one really bad half, right? They had one really bad half. And I know that Ohio State only lost by one to, to Oregon, but Georgia then went into Texas and I think Texas is better than Penn State. So that win to me is more impressive. And they killed Texas. That Wasn't really a game that was close. Whereas Ohio State, like, that was a coin flip game. So, yeah, I would take Georgia over Ohio State right this second.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I agree on all that. I think the best Ohio State's looked all year as their loss. So even more so than the win against Penn State. And I think sometimes the history of Penn State kind of plays in all that. Even though I still feel better about Penn State closing this season than I did them last season, I also just don't think the list is very long of teams that could go into Texas and make them look that bad in that half and destroy them. And on top of it, Beck not even playing that well, what that D line did. And I said at the time, like, I think it's the most impressive unit, the most impressive performance by one unit I've seen in any game all season long. And I think the list stops after Georgia of teams that could go there and do it. I'm assuming a lot, you know, assuming that no other team can do it. It's just the way they did it. And to that offensive line and to yours, who. I mean, you start stacking up all these guys that are ranked to be first round quarterbacks too. It's like, how many of these guys can actually go in the first round if you benched your last season before the draft. But we're on the same page there. But look, one of the things that I always try to tell everybody about it, after having the committee chair on the radio show all those years and the podcast all the years, then sitting in in mock runs of this thing with people from the committee, which was really just a great learning experience, it's that whoever is, like, at the head, who's the media presence for the committee, they basically never wanted to be tied down. Anything knowing how annoying all of us would be is like, hey, how much does conference rankings matter? And they're like, it doesn't. It's like, well, wait, you said, you know, if anybody had said, yeah, we actually thought, like, this conference was better than this conference, this conference was third, or this conference was fifth, then we would hold it against them for, like, going into depth on any single explanation. So when they asked Ward Manuel on the Ohio State, Georgia part of it, it was pretty clear, like, he was entirely succinct about the whole thing, which is like the loss, the loss at Oregon's just better than the loss at Bama.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

For Georgia. So done and done. So our whole Texas point that we agree on, it seemed like in the room that wasn't enough to just be more impressed with the loss at what is their number one team in the country, which, again, makes sense.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. And it could also be, you know, like I said, the Georgia has struggled in a couple games. Maybe that's also against them. You know, I know Ohio State struggled against Nebraska, but the Georgia, Kentucky game was weird. The Georgia, Mississippi State game was. It was Georgia. I never thought Georgia was.

[Ryan Rosillo]

They were in control.

[Big Cat]

They were in control, but it was a, you know, 30 plus point spread, and they only, you know, so they.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Gave up a bunch of yards of Van Buren there at the end. At that point, like, Mississippi State looked like the absolute doormat of the sec.

[Big Cat]

Right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So I think that had something to do with, like, that Saturday, you're thinking, do I have to check back in on the Georgia game?

[Big Cat]

Right, right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was one of those deals. Right. It's like every Arizona Cardinals game in the NFL.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Don't we. We gotta. I have that on the list of things we gotta talk about at the end here.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay. All right. So then you can start getting into some of the stuff where, like, the pollsters still love Tennessee more than I do, but I understand why. I. I can't really tell them that they're wrong. But part of that also for me is I thought Tennessee had, like, a chance to be in one of these four slots. Like, at one point this year, I was just all the way in and went, I think they have a chance to maybe be better than any of the teams in the sec, win the entire conference. And even though they have a better record than everybody that's not named Texas or Georgia, I don't see it. I don't see it. And they feel like they're still getting the benefit of the doubt there. And obviously, they still really like Bama to have them at 11 with the two losses over some of the other two loss options that you have in the sec.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. I agree with you on Tennessee. It's just. And it's unfair to expect more out of Nico. He's a freshman. But. And I like their defense a lot. But I agree with you. I think that they're in for a tough one against Georgia in a couple of weeks, and that will kind of sort itself out.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. The rest of the schedules, like A and M still has. Well, they're. I don't know if it's the easiest. I mean, because it's New Mexico State, it's at Auburn, but then they finish up with number five, Texas. LSU's got Bama this weekend at Florida, then Vandy, which is a sneakier one one. It'd be classic LSU to win the next three and then lose to Oklahoma at home. Ole Miss. Ole Miss still has Georgia, all right. At least that one's at home. So that whole block of all these SEC teams, you know, they're just going to start eliminating each other here throughout all this. So I don't know how they get more than four.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And there's a chance if Bama loses to LSU, A&M loses to Texas, then LSU loses to somebody else. Like Ole Miss. Feels like it's almost impossible in front of them because Florida is actually like a little bit of a tougher out now, though. I don't know.

[Big Cat]

They're on their third quarterback. Kid who played.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, right. So I don't know. I guess I don't. I guess I can't get too upset. I guess, like, looking at all this, I don't have something that I'm ragingly upset about.

[Big Cat]

No. The only two sticking points is like I. I said I would. I would put a ban BYU in Indiana a little bit higher. Um, and that's just a personal preference. Like I said, I don't think that Indiana is better than Texas, but I just would. I would do that right now, knowing it's all. I would do it. And I would have SMU ahead of Notre Dame. I. That. That. That's the one. If you. If you said I had to pick one thing, I think SMU has a better resume than Notre Dame. Notre Dame should still be in if they. If they finish off their schedule. But smu, their only losses to byu, who's undefeated, and Notre Dame lost in Northern Illinois at home. So I just. That. That one is the one that. That sticks out to me. I. The interesting thing with this whole thing is going to be if there is chaos in the ACC and the Big 12, how many teams from the SEC and the Big 10 are going to make it in? Because you. You would think it's going to be Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State and Indiana, no matter what. Right or not. No matter what.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But those four feel like Indiana were to get throttled.

[Big Cat]

You think they would get out?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, at that point, if you get destroyed by the only real opponent. That's the whole part of the expansion thing that's driven me crazy since the very beginning, is that you say you can go 11 games without playing anybody and then get destroyed by the one team in some cases for like, the Penn State model of previous years that everybody's heard me Talk about, like, way too much, but I just couldn't believe it when Fox ran that graphic. Yeah, it was a Penn State game weeks ago. And they go, you know, in this system of the last, you know, four team expansion, Penn State be in the playoffs six times. That's more than everybody else. And you just go, well, why is that? Because they were sneaky fucking awesome. Well, no, it's because of what we're laying out here with Indiana. And so if you only play one big boy all year and you get housed by them, and then it's like, all right, here's your playoff bid. Like, I just, we should have a problem with anyone getting in that way. And it has nothing to do with Indiana.

[Big Cat]

Agreed. The only thing, the only counterpoint I would, I would say to that is you. You don't know who's going to be down year to year. Nebraska has been a disappointment. Michigan has been a massive disappointment. So Indiana beats Michigan this week by, you know, 30. But you can't say that like, oh, well, Michigan sucks. I understand what you're saying, but like, that's kind of. I have a little bit more leeway to a team that just catches a couple breaks in their schedule. And this might be because of the team I root for. And we've had years where we're, you know, 12 and 1 and I know that we're not one of the top.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Four teams because you would tell me constantly leading up to the Big Ten championship game, you're like, don't pick us.

[Big Cat]

Listen, I'm having a crisis with my, with my friends on the group text. I have to be the voice of reason because I. We're. We're going through a crisis at Wisconsin. I'm hopefully going to figure it out with some nil Stell blue coffee money. But we're going through a crisis. And I have to keep reminding him that we played in the Big Ten west for a decade and even the years that we won 11 games, we were not as good as we thought we were. And the fall off that we is perceived right now is not as severe as we think it is. It's that everything's changed around us and it's kind of like the inverse of Penn State. Where Penn State is now, everything changed around him and now they're going to get to say they go to the playoff every year when nothing has changed. So it's, it's interesting navigating that where you're like, all right, where were we like 10 years ago? Now that we look at this, like we weren't what we thought we were. We were good, but we weren't. We weren't an 11 and 1 team that, you know, should have been in a top four spot.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So let me do it this way. If Indiana. All right. Ole miss is 16 right now. If Indiana, say, gets destroyed by Ohio State.

[Big Cat]

Yep.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And Ole Miss runs the table.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And is 10 and 2.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Who would you have in just like in a vacuum, like, those are the last two teams to pick for the 12 spots.

[Big Cat]

I hate that you're doing this to me. I mean, I would probably take Ole Miss. That sucks, though, that, that was dirty what you just did to me. Because it would be. Ole Miss beat Georgia. Yeah, yeah. No, you have Ole Miss beating Georgia and.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right. They'll play South Carolina. They'll play at lsu.

[Big Cat]

Kentucky's really bad, though. Kentucky's really bad. And they lost at home to Kentucky. That was a really bad loss.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was a bad loss.

[Big Cat]

That was a really bad loss. That's a tough one, though. I, I'm just rooting for chaos at this point and I don't want chaos. I want chaos in the fact that like SEC and Big Ten kind of start beating each other. I don't really want the chaos where the scenario that I laid out earlier and BYU running the table, Miami running the table, I think would kind of suck because then you would let it. It would just be nine big tenor SEC teams, you know, like, I, I.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But what if they're the most deserving?

[Big Cat]

I know, but I want to see. I, I, like, I want to see a Colorado, I want to see smu. I want to see these teams crash it and, and, yeah, but boredom shouldn't.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Be a reason to be invited to something.

[Big Cat]

That's true.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And this is, this is the other part is that you have 18 teams in the Big Ten. All right? So, like when you look at Miami schedule, Miami may be one of the four best teams in the country. I, I'm, I'm willing to go there with it because Cam has been that good. The offense is so good. I love the receivers. You know, it's it there. You're right. As we've already touched on, there's like three up and down moments for them this year where you're going, when's this going to catch up to them? But when you look at what they run through and you can say, well, at the end of it, they're still going to have to play somebody in the ACC title game. It's like, yeah, but that's, that's like an easy 12 and oh, because of how screwed up the expansion has made the conferences and like not everybody's coming like their teams are going through two entirely different experiences playing in the same conference.

[Big Cat]

I agree. You know, you know who the like poster child of this is is ucla. Ucla. You didn't think I was going to say UCLA there, but ucla?

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, but I love it because I already know what you're going to say.

[Big Cat]

UCLA is playing good football. Okay. UCLA is playing good football. I know that that sounds crazy. When you look back at UCLA's schedule, they played Indiana, who we obviously didn't know at the time was going to be 90 and really, really good. They played in this is consecutive weeks, Indiana at lsu, Oregon at Penn State, Minnesota. Like that's not a fair schedule. I agree with you. That's not like they're playing good ball and they just went through a five game gauntlet. That was just not like that happened at the beginning of the year with new coach and it was just like this team looks dead. And now they, you know, they beat Rutgers, they go to Nebraska, they beat Nebraska. Like they're not as bad as people have thought they were. They just played a schedule that was way harder than anyone else in the country.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Sounds like somebody likes ucla. Plus the five and a half at.

[Big Cat]

Home against Iowa maybe, but I can't do that because. And then people will be like, well, that's because Iowa beat Wisconsin 42 to 10, which was very embarrassing. I have some questions for you. You ready for him?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yep. Pen is ready.

[Big Cat]

Heisman.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, it's, it's been Hunter for me for a while. Okay. I, I think this is the kind of year where you go, why are we just defaulting to a quarterback on one of the playoff favorite teams? You know, Cam Ward's terrific, but I, I just think if you explained it to somebody who didn't know anything about football, I'd be like, well, who gets the award? Well, it's supposed to be for the person that's best player in college football, but what's that guy doing? Well, he's doing something nobody's ever done before. Yeah, Charles, Charles Woodson had 30 catches. This guy plays full games at both positions and is a league. And by the way, a couple weeks in I was done with Colorado. I thought they were going to suck again. I was totally wrong. They fixed a lot of things and I think they're good enough to justify him getting the award.

[Big Cat]

So there you go. That's, that's a good answer. My unbiased take is it's Travis Hunter. And what he's been doing is. It's not. It's. We've never seen it. 120 plus snaps a game he's won. Offensive and defensive player of the conference, player of the week. At one point this season, he is legitimately a top 10 receiver and a top five cornerback in college football. Like, that's stupid. And then my bias take is I have Travis Hunter 40 to one preseason. So I know that's all I've been talking about.

[Ryan Rosillo]

When I did my open on him, you were like, good stuff. Keep it going. And then I was like, what kind of ticket do you have on it?

[Big Cat]

I'm so. I'm so fucked up in the head that I think that I actually could maybe influence, like, one or two voters. Because we did this last year with Jaden. We bet on you could do it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And by the way, you realize how many Heisman voters there are? There's a million of them, so there's definitely a couple.

[Big Cat]

I know we. We did this with Jaden last year where, like, if you went back and asked me, maybe Michael Pennix, because he was more impactful to the story of college football that year, but we bet on him, like, in the middle of the season. And then every single week, we were just like, jaden Daniels got to be the Heisman.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, because like last year when I was making the wembanyama push for defensive player of the year, because I just felt like in those games, and then the argument was, well, overall, defensively, they're not as good as Minnesota. I was like, well, yeah, but look at all the dogs that Minnesota has surrounding Rudy on top of everything else. And by the way, it's not like I thought Rudy sucked on defense. I voted him second. And then somebody was like, keep doing that. Keep pushing that. And I was like, oh, this guy's got a bet on it. Yeah, he doesn't care about my basketball acumen.

[Big Cat]

But you don't. You didn't. You didn't have a bet. I. I'll tell you what I've bet, all right?

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, not me. Somebody else. Somebody else reached out. I can't bet on it. Yeah, I know you can't.

[Big Cat]

I know you can't. All right, next question. What does Penn State do with James Franklin?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Be careful what you wish for. They win enough, he recruits at a really high level, and one year it'll probably break your way where you'll get Michigan and Ohio State down at the same year. I mean, it doesn't seem likely, but Michigan went through a bunch of lean years where they wanted Harbaugh out. I've used this Harbaugh explanation numerous times because I always said throughout all of it like he really only had the one disastrous year. He was flirting with a playoff spot in the four team format. So he lost to Ohio State. Michigan hadn't beaten Ohio State for a bunch of years in a row. So nothing was really all that different. It's just that he brought all this attention upon himself, yourself with the videos and who's got it better than us and sleeping over kids houses on recruiting trips and all that kind of stuff. So it's like, okay, well it was. You promised more than this. Yeah, sure, you were hoping that it'd be more than this, but it still isn't that bad. Other than that one really bad covered year where all these college football voices, some I like, some I don't like, were like just the fire everybody party. That group of college football analysts is just like, I have nothing else to say. Just fire everybody all the time and I'll get a hit out of this. I think with Franklin that you're. It's a light beer version of that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Because the Penn State losses to Ohio State don't hurt as much as the Ohio State losses for Michigan do for a bunch of obvious reasons. You don't have to be from that part of the country or be a big tan fan to understand that. So you look at how often he wins. Even though I think a lot of it's schedule inflated that we've already covered with their fake playoff appearances. Be careful what you wish for because unless you're going to like, I think have all the schools that look in the mirror and see like, think about what Oklahoma fans are thinking right now. Post Venables, they're thinking like, okay, well we'll get like we're a top five job. It's like you're not a top five job anymore. Like Oklahoma, there's a bigger conversation that no one and Norman, like they're already mad about it pre happening before they had a bad season. And we'd have to see more seasons like this from the Sooners to like fully buy in. But there's no way it's ever going to be what it was in the Big 12 where you just want it even in down years because Texas was messed up. So I'm just telling you there's all of these fan bases and Penn State would certainly be one of them where it's like you may think there's this hit list. Like, think who A and M ended up going with. And Elko looks like he's a perfect fit. But it was like, at the time, it was kind of like, oh, it's.

[Big Cat]

Not the splashy thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree with you. The good news is Penn State, I think next year they play Ohio State, then they don't play them for, like, three or four years. So it will solve itself in that respect.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Oh, that's cool. That's a good reason for expansion.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

The ch.

[Big Cat]

It is crazy, though. Cause he. He. It just. He can't get over that hump. And I would understand how it's frustrating, but I agree with you. Like, you can't. It's. It's. It's. You basically are just hoping, like, you know the limitations, but to change course at this point, you might get into serious, serious pain that you're not having right now. My. My terrible, like, fantasy, like, fucked up how everything plays out. You ready for this?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Lincoln Riley takes the Bears job. James Franklin goes to usc. Kurt Signetti goes to Penn State. Penn State stays. Good. USC gets good. The Bears suck even more.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I love how it came back to it. Still not working out for the Bears. I gotta be honest. Like, when you started that thing, you landed the plane.

[Big Cat]

I did. I did.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You really did sign that.

[Big Cat]

He's a Pittsburgh guy. Franklin. Franklin has obviously flirted with usc and Lincoln Riley has, you know, Caleb Williams. So it's not the craziest thing.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Cause I mean, you just presented something like, here's something that's not going to happen, but it'll be fun. So for me to take it seriously and go through all the reasons why, like, defeats the purpose of the fun part of it. The Lincoln thing in usc, you want to talk about, like, not, like, who's more disappointed post that? USC or. Well, it has to be USC more so than Oklahoma.

[Big Cat]

I would say Colin Coward.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Cowherd's probably the most disappointed.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. I love. Look, I was on the phone with him right before we started this. Just bullshitting for a half an hour. So, you know, that's my guy. But when he got into the Lincoln going to the West Coast, I texted him, was like, did you just do a monologue based on the reasons why you moved to Manhattan beach and then just applied them to Lincoln Riley?

[Big Cat]

His. His video when USC was up against Michigan at halftime.

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, Penn State.

[Big Cat]

Oh, it was up against Penn State. Yeah, that's right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, that was. That was a tough one. The.

[Big Cat]

That video. That was. I credit to him. He was like. It was like a.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He left it up.

[Big Cat]

It was like a 90s, like, Adam Sandler villain video. Like. Like, I. Like, I got chills watching it. He was Shooter McGavin somehow. I don't know how he did that. It was something else. But, yeah, I. Usc. It's. It's. That's a weird situation. All right, next question. Are you ready. Are you ready to apologize about Jared Goff?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Big Cat]

Okay, great.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But I wasn't wrong early on.

[Big Cat]

Okay, great.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I wasn't wrong early on. And then I. I almost felt like I had to say something to him because, well, Jesus Christ, Teddy Purcell gets a shout out, I think, every time I'm on any podcast now. So Teddy's friends with Goff, and I was with a buddy that played for the Kings. So we all got together and had a couple beers together. And it was funny because, like, my buddy was the hockey guy. So he and Teddy were just like. You know, it's like they'd known each other years. Right? And then Goff is asking me about the warriors because he's, like, the biggest NBA guy. And I just kept being like, do I bring up the big cat thing with him? Just to start, like, with a clean slate with golf? Because, like, we live in the same town. I'll probably be running into him a little bit, but I can't imagine after getting to know him for an hour that he would. He would have ever cared.

[Big Cat]

No. No.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right.

[Big Cat]

He wouldn't. And that was another one where I probably lucked into.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You got weird about it with me at one point.

[Big Cat]

I mean, he's like, you got weird about it. You were. You were nasty.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Now, because you said something to me once. You were like, take it easy. He's a friend. I'm like, boy, he came in the pod a few fucking times.

[Big Cat]

He's a friend.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Text him every.

[Big Cat]

He's a friend.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I think you're a little loose with friendship.

[Big Cat]

No, no. Jared Goff is a friend.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He.

[Big Cat]

He was.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He.

[Big Cat]

He wanted me to go when he got drafted. He got drafted here in Chicago, and he. He asked me to come to his party, and I was like, I don't know, dude. I'm like, 33 or 32. I was like, I. I don't think this is for me. He's. He's been a fan and a friend for a very long time. We stayed at his house.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay. You actually are tighter with him than I realized. Yeah, he's my guy.

[Big Cat]

But, yeah, that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Cause you. But you Got weird about it. And then I was kind of like, I'm wrong when they traded him. Like, I'm wrong.

[Big Cat]

You got.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And then he still get weird about it.

[Big Cat]

I. I'll admit that I am very loyal to my guys.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I think Goff is so good now that when he has a bad game, when I talk about it on the podcast, I'll be like, well, that's not happening again. Yeah, like, it takes a long time for me to just get all the scars out of my head of, like, the times, right? And now, like, he'd had, like, two 40 QBR games in a row and they were still winning. And I was like, the great news is that's not going to happen again. Yeah, he's.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, he's been on.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Got me. He's got me, and he got the extension. He deserves it. So that's. That's a win for Big Cat.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Sounds like we have more.

[Big Cat]

A win for you. A win for you. I know you're a big stock guy. You trade you. You're on the. You're on the market, you're on the street. Like Nancy Pelosi.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Have you ever.

[Big Cat]

Have you ever dumped a stock at a better time than the Bears?

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, I couldn't. And, like, my picks. My picks have never been worse. Right now, like, the joke is that I'm usually always around 500. So, like, when people give you a hard time, you're like, oh, cool. So, like, you're fading me. And you're also losing just as much as, you know, you give out picks. It's just. It's. It's a tough crowd. It's a tough crowd. My picks have never been worse. And I had this whole premise this year of, like, what's my gut? Tell me. And that'll be the couch qualifier. Let's fade the public money. That'll be the other qualifier. And then I'll get one pick in from guys that work in Vegas that I'm like, hey, just give me the pick. That seems to kind of the momentum of the. Of the smart people. I don't want to call it sharp money because that just leads to all this other idea that, like, I think I'm super plugged in, and I know that I'm not. I was like, let's have some fun with trying to attack this from three different ways. The public money has been a disaster. Disaster. The sharp one's the only one that's even close to 500, and it's below 500. And then I had lost, like, five in a row from the couch. And the last one was the Bears minus two and a half.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So compounded with everything else. I am willing to renew it though. I'm not going to auto non renew my subscription to the Bears fandom. I only made it seven games. Yeah, but depending on who the new head coach. Cliff Kingsbury?

[Big Cat]

No. Ben Johnson. But they won't hire Ben Johnson. They'll never hire anyone who's good because they don't want anyone who is. Who is bigger than the franchise since dk.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's just a fact. Kingsbury be the answer.

[Big Cat]

Okay, I have one last question and I think we might need to get.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Speaking of stocks, you check in this after hours stuff right now.

[Big Cat]

What's going on?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Whoa.

[Big Cat]

What's going on in the stock market?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Check out some of these tech after hours numbers.

[Big Cat]

I don't. I'm so financially illiterate, I don't even know. I. I think I have stocks. I know I have stocks.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm pretty sure you do.

[Big Cat]

I don't know what stocks I have.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I think I got you into a couple, so you might. I know two that you have.

[Big Cat]

All right, the last question is going to be. We might need someone to join us here. Saruti, I got a question.

[Ceruti]

Oh, okay.

[Big Cat]

He made you guys share one course Light.

[Ceruti]

No.

[Big Cat]

Because I feel like I wish Kyle was here because I. I feel like I was the start of this a year ago when I basically submarines the podcast.

[Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There was a lot of tension, pissed at me.

[Big Cat]

I apologize to all the resilo heads out there. That was not my intention. I was just. I had no. I had no Kyle. I'd met him a couple times when we were in la, so I thought that it was okay to air that DM mistake by me. But listen, things happened after that and then we get to the point where you guys get the invite over and you watch Ryan take notes on NBA and you share a Coors. Like, did you have a straw? Was it. Was it two straws for the one Coors light? What happened?

[Ceruti]

There was no straw. It was. We each got one. One Coors Light. Just one. I don't even know what the fridge situation was. Like. I kind of tried to follow you in there and get like, get the scene, but you kind of blocked me off, so I didn't even know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, there's a beer. There's a beer drawer. Oh, let me help you.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, it's. It's stocked because we came over to.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Oh, you know.

[Ceruti]

Oh, great.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, no, no, we came over. He ordered us Two dinners. He was pissed because one of the dinners, they didn't show my order. He like, he like, you know, called up and he got my. He got everything fixed. He was.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I didn't call.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, yeah, we. We had the vibes going. There was no NBA to take notes on. It was a great night. When we went over his house, I.

[Ceruti]

Didn'T need to know that. That's a tough. That's a tough thing.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You know what if you would come over and it was okay, see Denver to start the season.

[Big Cat]

True. But I also, I would have had no problem with that because I feel like I could sit next to you and just not talk for hours. And it's like the best in show. We could talk or not talk for hours.

[Ceruti]

But that's the thing. It wasn't like, it wasn't. We were, we were talking. We were having a good time. It was just. It's just, it's just classic Ryan. There was no planning, no nothing. And in his defense, it was a little last minute thing. But if I. Here's the thing, though. If I didn't. And by the way, Big Cat, you are. You're developing a bit of a reputation here though, for like tanking things like Paula have on the pod out for two months. You know, talk about Ryan's pod. Now the rest, now the crew.

[Ryan Rosillo]

A lot of our listeners were super mad at Big Cat.

[Big Cat]

They were super mad at me. And I understand. But I also, I, I thought it was funny. And I. You guys got an invite to Ryan's house out of it, so kind of job, you know, mission accomplished. George Bush, Paolo, by the way, that, that one. I've been a Powell guy from day one. Everyone knows that Ryan kind of stole them from us, so. No, but that Powell, I'll hand up. I. That one's on me. I'll take that one, Ceruti. That's fair.

[Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You realize that the day the PALO interview aired, I went to the Clippers game that night to watch my guy scoot. And I checked in at the media place to get my credential and the girl behind the counter was like, I'm a huge fan of the pod. And I was like, oh, yeah. And she's like, I'm a magic fan. And then she's like, Paolo kind of cooked you, though, on your pod. And I was like, awesome. Good stuff.

[Ceruti]

Let me just Wait, can we talk about that?

[Big Cat]

Yeah. For the listeners, I want to say this right now, Ryan's the best guy, because I listen, I. Ryan, I consider a very good Friend. I called him after, and I told him. I was like, we're going to cut this part. Because it was kind of like, you.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Know, you did tell everybody what happened in the interview for you.

[Big Cat]

So we obviously, we. Paolo comes in. Great guy. We were like, I obviously know you're the biggest Paolo guy. You've been a palo guy from day one. So we obviously started doing a bit where we're like, you know, we're like, paolo, we're the biggest guys, like, in your corner. Like, we're gonna. We're gonna defend you everywhere. Like, there is right off of the.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Coach o LSU stuff that we had out this summer. But go ahead. Right, right. Max Homa.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, Little. Little sprinkle of Max. And. And we're like, you. Well, there's one other guy, Paolo, Ryan Rossell. He's a good friend of ours. He. He defends you, too. And Paulo is just like, who? And we're like, no, no. He went. You went on his show? And he looked to his guys who were standing off camera. He's like, I went on. I went on his show. And they're like, yeah, you went on Ryan Rossilla show. So this happens. I feel awful because, like, obviously we were joking about being Paolo guys, but, like, that kind of sucks because you do a zoom interview, you don't expect someone to remember you. But I didn't want to set Ryan up for that moment. I called Ryan right after, and I was like, hey, Paolo kind of cooked you. We're going to cut that. And Ryan was like, no, fucking keep it in. That's hilarious. So that. That was. That was a cool move by Rossilo, because I was. I was like, this kind of sucks. I would. I would kind of hate that if that happened to me. But Ryan was like, no, fuck it. That's funny.

[Ceruti]

So he called me probably soon after that, and to be like, hey, I have a funny story for you about Apollo. And he told me the story, and I was like, I actually am like, I would be shocked if Paulo knew who you were. I don't think that's that crazy. I don't think it's crazy.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Exactly. That's the other thing. It was, you know, it's a young kid, it's over a zoom, and, like, we had a good time. I thought. I thought we enjoyed each other, but there's never any way that I would have expected to be like, oh, yeah, double R, that's okay.

[Big Cat]

The only reason I thought, well, first of all, I'm going to give you more credit. You're a big deal. And a lot of people listen to this show. So it's like I thought it was because Paulo is into podcasting. Like he does podcasts. I think he does old man in the three with those guys every now and then. So I thought, like, he's kind of aware and you are the number one palo guy. So I would assume if a guy like someone in the media is just ride or die, you're tweeting about Paulo every night. So I made, I made an assumption. I, I maybe I just, I love Ryan more than Paolo. Clearly. That was my bad.

[Ceruti]

I think, I think you'd have more. I think he would recognize you more and know you more if you were like, hey, man, you know, playoff turnovers, inefficiency, not sure the jump shot. If you were like a hater. How it works. That's how it works. Guys don't remember dud that like them. They remember guys that don't like.

[Big Cat]

Cause he did. He did remember my tweets about Duke and Coach K's last year. So you're right on that. And I, and I'll say this right now.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That was so funny. I'm not stupid, by the way. That was so funny. So he was like, he was like, oh, barstool, big cat. We just lost. Here we go. The way he said it, like he wasn't 100% sure what it was while he was a kid at Duke just riding him.

[Big Cat]

But I'm not stupid. If I, if I walked into Paulo right now on the street, there's no way he'd know who I was. So I just thought because Ryan is number one Paolo guy. And then he got hurt, so that's my fault.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Wow. Look, next time you and Goff get together, you can invite Paulo over.

[Big Cat]

That's true. That's true. So. So wait, back to the one Coors Light real quick. Are we gonna.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Each guy got one Cores Delight.

[Big Cat]

Okay.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Guy got one individually.

[Ceruti]

Everyone got one school night.

[Ryan Rosillo]

We all had to work. Cerudi had to be up at 4:30 in the morning. Kyle got two sets of tailor mades out of the thing and two benchmade knives. Okay, so he was thrilled you were.

[Big Cat]

Doing the cheater gift package.

[Ceruti]

I was also offering a knife, by the way. I just, I wasn't checking a B. That might have been a problem.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I was just handing out knives to everybody and no one else could take the knives. And then he tried. He forgot that I respect smokers like I respect smokers defiance so much that I almost, when I see a smoker now as a non smoker, I'm like, right, yeah, point at him or something. Like when the guys at ESPN were still outside and those. Those rain tarps smoking next to it where it would have been normal. And I'm like, man, this guy's still just out there doing it. And I'd be like, just. I'd give him like a point even though. And then they'd like hand me like, hold up the cigarette pack, like, do you want one? Like, no, no, it's gross. But you guys are awesome. And so Kyle pretended he was like, oh, okay, well now I need a cigarette. When he immediately wanted one. As soon as he walked in the house, because he just got done with a drive and a convertible with these two guys, he's like, I think I'm gonna have a smoke. I'm like, you're right. You're gonna have a smoke. Where do I do it? I was like, right out front, right in the street, right in front of my house. I want people walking by being like, hey, it's a big smoker over at that quiet guys place. So I think the trip actually was a success. A success based on the parameters that we had. And they were all doing work stuff. So I'll give myself one more defense part. If they had shown up earlier, I was planning on getting this like an early dinner reservation and then nuggets. Okay, Thunder.

[Big Cat]

That makes sense. I. I just loved that we had the conclusion of the story. Titus actually was the one. He came in one day, he's like, dude, did you hear about this one Course light. It's at.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's insane. Here's one, guys. And we'll all take a sip, but let's go fast so it doesn't get warm.

[Big Cat]

I'm happy. We gotta. We gotta get.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Never gets warm though.

[Big Cat]

We gotta get the whole PMT and universe together sometime for. At Ryan's house. Maybe we just won't even have Ryan there and just have a good time.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It might be more fun. Or maybe I'll just stay upstairs and watch a game and then I'll text. How's it going down there?

[Ceruti]

He's on stage.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'll do like a van. Hell yeah.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. All right, well, I, you know, I. It was. I'm happy that we got a conclusion and Kyle was able to come over finally. Cause it did feel like a years long story arc. That was about this time last year that it started.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He.

[Ceruti]

He was kind of bummed out about that for a while. He. That wasn't a joke.

[Big Cat]

Yeah, that's the part I missed. I misjudged that part.

[Ceruti]

But then I think, I don't know. He got golf clubs. Kyle. Kyle's a. He's a valuable guy. He's all right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. He hit me up the other day to be like, these clubs are amazing. Like, I'm so happy. And I went, yeah, that's the whole point. Like, I wanted you to be happy about it. But look, it's very simple. If I lived near him and had the ability to just throw a couple down on a Tuesday afternoon, we'd hang out more. Yeah, I live, like, an hour and a half away. It. It doesn't.

[Ceruti]

You're not going to the Frolic Room.

[Big Cat]

I'm. I'm going to defend you. I. I mean, I live close to all my guys, and I don't hang out. Like. I mean, I have just shit going on. They don't even. I got invited to the Halloween party this past weekend that one of the guys, one of the younger guys was throwing, and I just wrote back. I was like, dude, like, legitimately, thank you so much for inviting me. There's zero percent chance I'm going. But I actually, like, really appreciate you just thinking of me, because I don't.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Get invited to this guy now.

[Big Cat]

I don't get invited to shit.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I went out and grabbed drinks, and I forgot people were dressed up. That's.

[Ceruti]

You are a known holiday forgetter.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I was like, fuck. I think I called Saruti, like, on Christmas once.

[Ceruti]

You called me on Valentine's Day. I was out to call them. Valentine's Day.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I think I've called Valentine. Well, how many times have I called you on Valentine's Day?

[Ceruti]

Well, the famous story is you called me once, and then you called me again. And my phone's on the table, by the way. Phone up. Cause I'm, you know, what's up? And my wife's like, all right, Ryan's called twice. You can answer it. And it was Valentine's Day. You're like, oh, that's why it was so packed in West Hartford. I didn't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Totally, right? But now this is what happens. We start telling these stories, and then you start getting more emails being like, hey, man, I'm autistic as well.

[Big Cat]

No, see, I'm gonna defend Ryan till to forever. And whenever anyone asks me, he is a very, very fun hang. And he just, like, you get older, you don't. You don't go out as much, you know? But when Ryan, like, thank God we hang out, I have the best time so that the people who think like, oh, Ryan can't like hang out. It's like, dude, he's one of the best guys to hang out with.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm. I'm laying the the groundwork now for our New Orleans escape for the Super Bowl.

[Big Cat]

That's going to be.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm trying to figure it out for us now because I was like Ceruti the other day was like, you're probably not even going this year. Are. And I was like, actually, New Orleans, I will be going.

[Big Cat]

Yeah. So yeah, couple LSU alma maters, you know, alums going back.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, get us get his hats. I almost bought a water bottle at the airport.

[Big Cat]

All right. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Do you have anything coming up? You. What days do you guys do in the shows now? You doing it Fridays.

[Big Cat]

Fridays. And yeah, Fridays. Every now and then big election. We did. We did. This comes out on Wednesday afternoon. We did do we elected a Pardon my take president on tomorrow's. On Wednesday's show. And then in the. The title of the episode we wrote, we elect a president just to try to piss people off. So people are going to see that and just be like, what the fuck they're talking about. I was really politics.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I was so tempted, like just to do one show tweet where I was going to say, is Harris a system president? And then just like never talk about it. Like, I wasn't going to do it. I don't have a topic but just quarterbacks or NBA guys, like, just to do it. But I people, this was not a fun year for that kind of stuff. So maybe in 20, maybe in 28 we can do tweets like that again. But I don't know.

[Big Cat]

If Trump wins, you guys will you and Bill will do a 1980s Redraftables on Friday.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was pre recorded or no games. All right. Hey, this was. This was everything I hoped it would be anymore. Yes.

[Big Cat]

I loved it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You want details?

[Kyle]

Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.

[Big Cat]

What's up?

[Ceruti]

I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.

[Big Cat]

I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Life advice. Life advice. RR gmail.com. we've got Kyle, we've got Steve. Is there any way we just get a video and audio peek into what Wargon is doing right now? Because when he opened up the riverside this morning, I mean, it's so good, I couldn't. I kind of wish this were just kind of A screen grab? No. Can we actually get the audio feed just for a second? I know it's not going to be great for the listeners, but dial it up. What's going on, Morgan?

[Ceruti]

What's going on, man? How's it going?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Where are you?

[Ceruti]

I'm at the beach, dude. Did a little. Little getaway, a little escape for the end of the week here.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay.

[Ceruti]

Yeah, yeah, man. They're like putting up the house. I got this thing going on. Baby hind, man.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, well, okay. Thanks, buddy. He's. He's checking. He's checking in with some shades.

[Kyle]

No days at all.

[Ryan Rosillo]

The angle of the roof and where he was. Apparently he's just trying to get away for a little bit. The guy could have just taken the day off. Right, so people are aware that.

[Big Cat]

Yeah.

[Ceruti]

No days off?

[Ryan Rosillo]

No.

[Ceruti]

Well, we've been through this like he's rather. He's a more of a half day get a beverage in guy than he is take the full day off.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So he checked back in. He checked back in. I thought he was roofing. When the whole screen opened up this morning, I was like, is this guy tapping down some. What's going on? Yeah, yeah. So anyway, he's. He'll edit this and it'll be good to go here shortly. My. My God. All right, let's see here. We have a couple. We may just save it for Friday feedback because we had a few that kind of like wade in. But you know what? In case somebody doesn't watch it on YouTube, we don't want to leave the audio audience out. So somebody's checking in here real quick on trivia. The trivia snipe caused some real concern. Approval rating down for me. It's been down now for a few weeks. Ryan's attempt to dunk on ceruti for the dorky trivia night is the worst post wannabe jock syndrome I've ever heard in a minute. Oh, I've heard in a minute. So not ever hurts. Not all timer just. But he's heard last minute or so. I bet if Ryan's core guys got one organized and Ryan was actually invited plus 250 underdog, he'd glom on like everything else in his life. Order some food next time, you ignorant jackass. Wow. Glom on. There might. I don't know that I've ever been accused of that. If I. Can I be made fun of for never doing anything and then also be accused of glomming on? I don't know.

[Ceruti]

I mean, you didn't hear this, Kyle, because we Taped this last night, but I will say the Big Cat. And this is airing right after the Big Cat interview, so I guess it flows nicely. It did dawn on me. And it hurt a little bit because he's probably right, you know, big, Big Cat. Pft. Come over. You know, Titus, whoever, you know, group of dudes. There's probably some sort of spread at Ryan's house. There's probably something we probably.

[Ryan Rosillo]

This isn't even about trivia anymore.

[Ceruti]

No, I just, you know, it just.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's.

[Ceruti]

I'm still processing the whole thing and that. That definitely hurt a little bit. I'm going to be honest, because it was definitely true.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm telling you right now. If it's the beginning of the season, it was Nuggets Thunder. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how many people. You know, maybe I'll just do that in the next part. I'd be like, didn't watch last night, Went to a movie. Don't have an open. Coming up next, we've got Shil Kapadia. I might just do it. Be easier on me.

[Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Wow. So this isn't even really about trivia anymore.

[Ceruti]

No, it just made me.

[Kyle]

Can I share a fun fact then? This was years ago. You know those, like, life episodes you guys do when they come out to LA or whatever this was. I mean, this must have been four years ago. I don't exactly know when, but Tate and I went over because Mark Titus was going over there and we were like. We just basically sat outside while you guys did what seemed like a three hour podcast. I think we left before it was over.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There was four.

[Kyle]

There was like four beers outside. It was cold. And yeah, that was like my first experience with those guys. So, yeah, I definitely felt like an outsider there too.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'll just say that.

[Kyle]

I mean, I wasn't. What was I supposed to do? Sit beyond. Get me a mic or whatever. It was just funny that we went over there because Titus was like, come with us, let's go. And then we, like sat out on this cold patio and I think I went in one side one time. Cause there were. We were out of beers, but that was like it. I think we just. We just kind of left and I don't know how it turned out, but that was just an experience I had wanted to share.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, I'll try to warm up the patio for you next time. Thank you.

[Ceruti]

Progress.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, sure. Do you want to add anything to this after kind of derailing the trivia part of it?

[Ceruti]

Well, no, I didn't derail the trivia part. It just because he was saying that, like, if you. If your buddies asked about trivia, like, would you. You'd be excited to do trivia? I think there might be some truth to that. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's.

[Kyle]

Trivia is a group you don't want to piss off. They're just like. I don't know if you'd say they're rabid fan bases, but they're into it. Yeah, they're into it. It's just one of those groups, like.

[Ceruti]

I don't know, maybe like, if Ed Quinn was like, hey, let's do trivia. You tell me you wouldn't do trivia.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Probably not.

[Kyle]

God damn.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I understand liking trivia, okay? But I also think I'd have way too much pressure on me because I'd be like, don't you read all these books? I'd be like, yeah. Do you think I retain all of it? Multiple choice, Napoleon exiled. I'd be like, I think I have it. I think I put it what I have it. Just without any multiple choice.

[Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

With trivia. I don't know if it's more important to get all of them or to get the one that no one else knows. I feel like that's the better feeling when you've been never been invited.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I know I get a lot of texts from people at it that are cheating. They're like, hey, I'm at trivia right now. Like, who was Mike Bodicker traded for?

[Ceruti]

Who was the fifth president of the United States?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Let's see here. All right, so that was. That was a little feedback there. I like this email a lot. Let's do it. All right. Allow me to be by saying how much I appreciate Rillo as the least grading Boston sports personality. Please continue to call Bill out on his shit. Smiley face. Okay. My name is Harry. I'm 18 years old from Toronto, Canada. So he just wants us to all know who he is. I just graduated high school. Currently in the early days of a gap year. Kyle, you take a gap year. Were your parents on board with the gap year?

[Kyle]

No, there was no chance. That train had to stay on the tracks, and then it came off anyway. But it didn't start. I guess that could happen.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You made a gap year? Half. More of a half thing. More of a hat. You want me to go to abroad? All right, well, I'll stay at home and do nothing. All right. As I write this.

[Kyle]

Sporting good department. Managed it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Come on. No, I was Talking about myself there. I'm not talking about your model. Still regrets their decision with you. Yeah, look at them as I write this. I'm busy discovering myself in Cape Town. Participate this guy. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Born you think? But all that really means is legal alcohol consumption, a steady diet of high sodium instant noodles. Hopefully by the time next year I'll have one of those healthy habits under control and maybe even a selected major program. I know. Wishful thinking. All right, well, thanks for letting us know more about you. Now for the meat and potatoes. Over the last few days, I've been tossing and turning. Not over my current stationary life, but over freaking Vince Carter, of all people. Recently, the Toronto Raptors, whom I cherish dearly, decided to retire Carter's number 15, making him the first player in franchise history to get his jersey retired. Carter's legacy in Toronto is complicated. My father and many older Raps fans are disappointed, to say the least. My dad vividly remembers Carter quitting on the team. He frequently references Bill Simmons, shared disgust with Carter's antics. Carter played like crap, yapped the media, tanked his trade value, dragged his mom into the drama and set the team back years. But younger fans might myself have no memory of this. Interestingly, a generational divide has pitted the old and young Raptors fans against one another. Carter has actively rehabilitated his image as a media personality and through his documentary the Car Effect. Wait, is that. Did he misspell that? I don't know. I didn't see it.

[Kyle]

Unless that's Canadian. Like French Canadian. Probably not though.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, but that wouldn't really apply there. I was just saying so. Although more French in British Columbia than I expected. Anyway, I just don't like watching the player produce documentaries. To me, I watch almost zero of them. They did the documentary to court the younger fans with the nostalgia for vintage basketball. Young people hear Vince Carter and picture his vicious dunk package and Twitter highlights, oblivious to the ugly divorce that made Carter Persona non grata in the six. What bugs me? Good writer, this guy. Keep, keep grinding, buddy. What bugs me is that Carter's jersey retirement is being marketed as the highlight of the Raptors season. Throwback jersey's new murals downtown, a never ending social media tribute, and even a freaking Air Canada jet. With Carter's silhouette and number 15 slapped on the side, Carter is being treated like the savior of Canadian basketball and a hero of the organization. Watching his retirement ceremony made me cringe with Canadian shame. We're so desperate for attention that will honor the guy who wanted nothing to do with us. I can't wait for the follow ups to this email. I get that I'm being far too emotional about the retirement of another man's jersey. I'm hung up on events I didn't even live through. But transparency matters. There are two sides in every story. But what Vince did was shameful and it's embarrassing. The whole city and organization is hell bent on acting like it didn't happen or worse, that we're the ones that need to grow up and forgive Vince. Vince has yet to apologize for what he did. Until he does, I don't think his jersey has any right to hang in the rafters. It's a shame that Carter is the one who received the glitz and glory of the first Raptor jersey retired. The honor should be reserved for players who actually like playing here or at the very least played like they gave a. Am I irrational or my concern. My concerns valid. This is I. Man 18. The educational system has. Has done you well, my friend. I agree with everything you said. I comp. I've never agreed with an 18 year old more on anything. I don't think. I hope not. But yeah, I. Look, I think that season everybody knew it was going to be really bad. I don't know what the timeline of the events for this to be in the mix. We could all talk about like forgive and forget, but it was like really, really ugly and we could make it a Toronto thing, but it's. It's not a Toronto thing. You know, you can make some sort of Canadian like, oh, everybody's just nicer and all this different stuff. That hasn't been my experience, but I would say that when teams are down, there's like a classic let's retire a Jersey movie.

[Ceruti]

Oh yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Oh yeah. You know. Right. All right, so Rudy, Rudy is well aware of this, so go ahead.

[Ceruti]

Well, I'm.

[Big Cat]

I'm.

[Ceruti]

Two things. One, I am in a similar situation with Dwight Howard. I. I cannot forgive him. I don't like him, to be honest with you. Like, I don't. Kevin Clark and I have talked about this because I think Kev, like kind of looks more fondly back at those times. Not that I don't look fondly on them, I guess, but it's just complicated because I just, I really don't like how it ended with Dwight. He was a huge asshole. He screwed himself and the team. It was just this disastrous situation and then we had to lose Stan Van Gundy, who I liked as a coach at the time because of all of that. It was a 12 year reset. There's a lot of weirdness and pain that kind of goes into that. So be like, oh yeah, just retire his jersey. You remember how awesome it was with Dwight. I'm like, wait, I'm just supposed to forget of how much of a dick he was at the end and how trash he. How much he just trashed the franchise and left us for dead for over a decade. So I, I'm kind of with you. I don't know that I will forgive Dwight. I certainly haven't yet. I. Magic fans may disagree with me, but I'm kind of with our guy on this one. The issue though that you have here is, and I can say this, because the Magic are not like a prestigious franchise, but like when you get to those like mid to lower tier, at least franchises without a lot of history, the bar is just so much lower for those teams to want to retire people, it looks good. They want to put up somebody's name. If you're right, Ryan, if they're having a bad season, put the number up there. You get people in the stands, you know, sell. Sell some extra jerseys. That does work. So unfortunately that's like kind of part of the business. I feel like when you're like anywhere from like 15 to 30, franchise wise, prestige wise, but I definitely agree with you because I don't know that I'll ever build, I'll ever forgive Dwight Howard.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Kyle.

[Kyle]

Yeah, I don't have much to add, but I think it's cool for the. That side of the argument that they got a young guy who maybe is only used to, you know, trying to get Vince Carter on my 2K, my team, or like you said, the package highlights. I think it's cool for that side that they got a dude like you that's articulate and can really wow some people your own age. So maybe you can gain some ground there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, maybe there's a lesson of like, it's better to just recognize the greatness and forgive and move on. It was really nasty. All right. I mean, you know me as an all first team grudge holder. Like if I were involved with a team and I had been around there for that, I'd be like, I don't, I'm not in favor of that. But I think to have a special night and to feel like you have this and it was nasty, dude. I mean, it was nasty when he left, but also the positive side of it, like when he burst on the scene, it was the most fun thing to watch in basketball for years. It was so much fun. Like, the beginning of the curry part reminds me of that a little bit. And just pushing the boundaries of like, what somebody could do in games. I mean, that was it, the dunk contest. We were like, excited about it. And he delivered like, when's the last time you went into drug contest? Being like, I can't wait for this. I remember I was. I think either I was bartending or I was at that place that I worked and it was on. And like, can you imagine an entire bar of adults being excited and wanting the dunk contest audio up? Right. That's what he did. So, yeah, I can see the. It's been years. Let's appreciate this instead of being negative about it. Like, I understand all of those parts of it, but I could also, like, go, yeah, the guy that didn't want to play here didn't want to be in Canada. And we got the worst package back for this guy. And he was more. He was more excited to be. Now, granted, maybe it's a New York thing with him, but, like, that was newer still. Okay. He would rather be in Newark than Toronto.

[Ceruti]

That's out.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Ceruti]

Yeah. Well, can I just throw this nugget in there? I believe Kyle O'Lowry has a statue. Is that true? I think he has a statue. And also like, Kawhi. Would you rather retire Kawhi's number or Vince Carter's number if you're a Raptors fan? Because at least Kawhi was like, he won. You know, he gets in there half a season, wins you a title, but he's honest about it. It's like, I don't want to be here. I'm going to leave. I actually respect the hell out of that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So there is a Kyle Lowry statue.

[Ceruti]

I think there is.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I remember downtown.

[Kyle]

Oh, it's downtown.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Oh, wait, I don't. I'm glue. Yeah. Kyle Lowry statue spotted down. So what, did they just move it around a bunch and. I don't know, it's like a Where's Waldo statue.

[Ceruti]

That's kind of sick.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, I have more Raptors thoughts, obviously, but like, this DeRozan, we would have won had we not traded me there. Like, I like the Rosen lot. That's not true.

[Ceruti]

Nope.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Do you think anybody was ever remotely fucking scared of you guys? When both he and Lowry in the playoffs have all those stretches with the Raptors, you're like this again. Like, this isn't even close. Don't talk to me about the six game series with the Gavs. Just. It wasn't A real thing. So there's, there's some odd historical stuff, but then when you make it out to be like it's only Toronto that does that, that's not fair either because we could just run through the exams. Like why would they say this about this team years later? Because that's not true either. But then, I don't know, the whole the Rose and Drake thing got turned up again the last couple days. Like Drake just stands up and stares at an NBA athlete. Is that what that was? I don't know. You know what? I'm sick of talking about the Raptors.

[Ceruti]

I mean, the Thunder retired Nick Collison's jersey. I love Nick Collison, but like there are levels to this.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, that one's worse than Vince Carter.

[Ceruti]

That's it. I love Nick Collison. That's insane.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Is there some other part of that? Did he like rescue a small sawmill from burning that we don't? I'm just open to the idea. There. There may have been something else. I don't know.

[Ceruti]

Maybe. I hope so. Seems like a great guy, but I don't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right. I feel like Kyle felt left out on that one. So let's go back into a Kyle zone.

[Kyle]

Three leaves a week.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's fine. All right. Big fan of the pod. 34 and married toddler son. 63185, pickup comp. 47 year old manager with less bounce. Mano had crazy pounds. Need some advice here? On Saturday night my wife went out for a girls night with a few of her friends. She hasn't gone out much since our 18 month year old son was born. So I stayed home and was happy to give her a break. Around 18 month year old. Yeah.

[Ceruti]

Whoa.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Good pickup. He's super immature. Around 8:30 that night, one of my friends, Tom, name changed, showed up at the house. He's not a close friend, but we know each other. His wife is good friends with mine and she is one of the girls my wife was out with. I thought it was weird for him to show up, but he said he was bored and decided to pop by to see how things were going. Since our wives were out that night, we had a quick beer, watched him Rockets warriors. Then he left. Sounds like a night at my place around midnight. It's never going to end. I'm going to have to throw like an all time bender with like a fog machine and hostess and waitresses and I don't know, see who I invite.

[Kyle]

Or some chips, you know?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, some chips. Titus was suggesting as we covered in this, but Kyle didn't hear the interview because he's not going to go back. And listen, I don't blame him. Titus suggested I gave you one beer to share.

[Ceruti]

Yeah, that's.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right. Well, that's not.

[Kyle]

There's no way that's the content machine. That is Mark Titus.

[Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Does he believe it or was he trying to add to that? No.

[Kyle]

No way.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Hey. War gone. You've been sipping on that one a little long. Pass it around, man. You know who's a terrible guy in a Coors Light rotation? War gone. All right. So after around midnight, I get another knock on the door. It's Tom again. He said he left his phone and needed to grab it. Sure enough, his phone was wedged into the couch cushion when he showed up a second time, Tom was pretty drunk, but since he didn't drive and lives two blocks away, I didn't think much of it and let him walk home. The next morning, my wife and I are discussing our evenings. She says, I hear Tom was over late last night. And I said all I said back was, yeah, we had a beer and watched the warriors game. Turns out Tom's wife had been checking find my phone and saw Tom was at my place until close to midnight. Now I'm thinking Tom drop by so we can intentionally leave his phone here and use me as an alibi. As my wife is recounting her evening, she tells me that Tom's wife has some trust issues because she's caught him with dating apps on his phone. That's why she was checking his location constantly. Oh, so she was checking his location all that night. I never lied to my wife, but clearly I admitted some important info. Should I tell her I'm not that close with Tom? If he was a core crew guy, I'd probably talk to him first. But in this case, I feel my loyalty is more to my wife and her friend. Should I wait and see what happens? I'm supposed to. I was supposed to go to a dinner party on Friday where Tom and his wife will be there. I'm having a lot of anxiety about what's going to happen. I'm worried I'm going to be put in a spot where I either have to lie and corroborate the alibi or out Tom in public. What does the gang think I should do? Wow.

[Kyle]

Tom is clearly in the middle of running some sort of scheme here, and he's going to get caught one way or another. That's the way I look at it. This is. I mean, if you don't want that on your conscience. I can't say for sure. I would just be like, you know what? You know what? There was some fishy going on. I don't know if you want to call it bro code or whatever it is. It's just mind your own business sort of deal, but I think Tom is. Tom has already been caught, and he clearly thinks this is some bulletproof plan when, like.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's not a bad plan.

[Kyle]

It's not? No, it's actually the. On paper, it's a little bit genius, but, you know, stat teams don't run Statue of Liberty all the time because, you know, a lot of stuff can go wrong. So I don't. I think. I think that he's. I think you could stay out of this. Tom's going to get what he deserves. And it just doesn't sound like he's, you know, Ocean's Eleven over here. This isn't going to have a happy ending, so I don't know. I would probably just go to sleep at night while knowing I'm minding my own business.

[Ceruti]

Now, see, you don't know Tom's shit, and he used you, so. And if your wife asks you, hey, was Tom over for five hours last night, and you just say the truth, that is. No. He came by. He lost me back. You're not. You're not telling on the guy. I don't know. You don't owe Tom shit. I'm not lying for Tom. I'm not a man.

[Kyle]

I wasn't suggesting lying for him.

[Ceruti]

Yeah, no, I know what you're saying, but, like, honestly, fuck that guy. You got used here. I would not. You don't owe him anything.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'd say, beyond not owing Tom. I think the most important thing is you don't know anything. You don't know shit. You don't know, so you don't have to do anything. You shouldn't have anxiety about it. You should say exactly what happened and leave it up to the tribunal.

[Kyle]

Well, it's probably the one that he's most worried about, because she might just be like, so, what'd you guys do the other night? You know what I mean? Not your wife. But, like, when you go to dinner with this couple, Tom's wife, like, might use that as an opportunity to just, like, you might not want to be grilled, you know, while you guys are at Applebee's or whatever. Like, I get not wanting to do that, but.

[Ryan Rosillo]

No but. But the loyalty to the wife part is 100% here, and it's not even about, like, bro code. And by the way, if you're in the friend core group here, which is not the case here, you shouldn't be putting your buddies in that kind of situation.

[Kyle]

Right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, I remember there was, let's say, a situation where a friend of mine, I had a nice place, and he was like, hey, is there any way I could, like, if. When you're out of town, like, stay at your place? And I was like, yeah, I don't give a shit. Like, go ahead. And I thought he meant because it was nice and, like, wanted to bring his wife. He left out the part where that was not the case. So then when I realized, I was like, oh, wait. And then he's. He was kind of like, well, is that a problem? I was like, I'm not really, like, involved in your stuff, but I'm dating somebody, right? Like, I'm dating somebody. And if I have to explain that I'm willing to let you do this, then that opens up endless fucking windows and doors of what I'm potentially capable of.

[Kyle]

This isn't the last time we'll be talking about this. I can guarantee that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. So I just was like, I'm not. You're putting me in a tough spot, even if I don't have anything to do with what's going on. Because it wasn't, like, even close to being a core guy. It was just a moment of. Yeah, I don't. I don't really know how to, like. I guess I could just let you. But I also. I don't know. Like, I don't. There's nothing in this. Like, it only opens up potential issues for me. There's no point if this, like, whatever you're mapping out, like, how do I benefit from this? But, like, never, like, there's nothing that's ever going to benefit you. And the real problem with it is I don't want to have to explain me signing off on something like this, Right? So what you need to do is let it all play out in front of you. These are not the same things, by the way. But you needed to let it all play out in front of you. And if it comes up at the dinner where it's like, yeah, we watched the game for a while, and you're getting death stares from Tom. Like, I don't know that you have to be like, well, yeah, but Tom left, and he left his phone. I think you just. I would just go into it, be being ready to be, like, entertained, endless possibilities. And if it comes back on you like, you just got to tell the truth, man.

[Ceruti]

Will Smith, the guy's got dating apps on his phone. Like, he's done this before. This is not going to be a you thing. Like, you know, you. This may be the final thing that breaks the relationship, but like, clearly there's some shit that's going on that's bigger than you are.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So I, Yeah, the wife, that night is double checking his location multiple times. I mean, look, that's blatantly what he did. You don't know him that well. He lives down the street. He had one beer, came back a little hammered.

[Ceruti]

Right? You don't.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, the Rockets are a blast. So they're one of my favorite league pass teams. So, you know, I don't blame them for wanting to watch some Rockets basketball. But yeah, I get why you're stressed out. In case that moment comes up where he looks at you, he's like, yeah, I was over his place. You were drinking all night, watching hoops, and then he looks at you. And as a guy, you're supposed to be like, yeah, it was awesome.

[Ceruti]

It's kind of like old school.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Remember?

[Ceruti]

Speaking of your Craig Kilbo, remember Craig Kilbourne's character in Old School when he's there in the bathroom and he's making out, don't tell.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's what chicks do.

[Ceruti]

That's just like.

[Ryan Rosillo]

This is.

[Ceruti]

This is what. This is what you're getting yourself into here.

[Ryan Rosillo]

The delivery of that line from Kilbourne is one of my favorite moments in cinematic history. You're gonna tell. I gotta tell. That's what chicks do. I was so happy. Yeah, I was so happy for Craig. What would you do, Kyle? What would you do? If you're the host here, the dinner is going off and then the guy.

[Kyle]

Who'S not a poor guy, if my wife's good friend's guy came over, I think I would initially be mad once I put it together, like, damn, you fucking used me. I was weird that you were here to begin with. I was trying to be nice. Then I find out you use me. I would be pissed. I think I. Again, I think I would mind my own business. But if it comes up when I'm explicitly asked about the timeline, then I'd offer up some. Some, you know, I'd offer up my, you know, what I saw. But other than that, I'm. I'm a firm believer in mind in your own business. If it's not something terribly gross, I mean, you have a little bit of the benefit of the doubt where I think I'd sleep. Okay. Just being like, yeah, you know, Tom's going to get his, but I'm not the fucking sheriff around these parts. So I don't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Not even deputized.

[Kyle]

Right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I just really like the sheriff line. I think we got it. I think we got it.

[Ceruti]

That was a good one.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Good luck. Love a follow up on that one after that dinner. After that, Dino, we'll, we'll cue you right.

[Kyle]

Go ahead and star that one. Yeah, put that one in a new folder.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I may just, I may just email them next weekend and be like, how.

[Kyle]

Are things circling back?

[Ryan Rosillo]

See Tar Eason the other night? Anything new with you? Okay, shout out to Wargon for just the. I don't know if we can get a picture of that up there. Let's try to get his follower count up. I think he's at 700 now. Ceruti Kyle, as always, we have a Friday feedback mailbag. I don't know about this one, folks. I'm not sure we taped it. It's out there on our YouTube page, so please subscribe. We'll be back on Friday. Brian Rosillo Podcast Ring Response must be 21 and older. Present in select states. For Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 + and present in D.C. gambling problem. Call 1-800- gambler or visit rgh-help.com, call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text Hopeny in New York.