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The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Caleb Williams Panic Meter, Cardinals Tight End Trey McBride, and 'Task' Creator Brad Ingelsby
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Trey McBride
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Ryan Rysillo
Thoughts for you today. Specifically Caleb Williams Monday night. Caleb Kai, it was a tough second half for us, maybe even hints at a tough second half in the first half. So some thoughts on that, some numbers I'm going to share with you on the bad throw percentage jump, which is not a good time. Trey McBride is on his way to potentially being the best tight end in the NFL. We're going to talk about his career from Colorado State and even before that, shout out to Fort Morgan. May want to avoid it during the sugar beet season, but an awesome player, an awesome contract and an awesome story. And we've got Brad Inglesby, the master at storytelling. His new show task is out on hbo. The pilot is out. You can check it out every Sunday. I want to talk to him about creating this show and everything around it. And is there ever going to be a sequel of Mayor of East Town? And we've got life advice extended.
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Brad Inglesby
This.
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Ryan Rysillo
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I remember the first time I saw him, Fenway park. He was 5 10, 5 11. Probably still is. He had sandy brown hair, looked like maybe a bit of a mustache. Tells you perhaps he was a pitcher in high school. There was a scrappiness to him, you know, maybe a little rough around the edges. Tells you that he's from maybe Woburn or something, not Duxbury. And he had a sweatband, kind of like a wrist, you know, sweatband that we used to wear as kids, hitters used to wear. And then, you know, something happened in the early 2000s. Dude started moving it higher up their forearm. I remember there's a bartender that I worked with that used to just keep his bottle opener stashed in there, like his weapon of choice. And this guy just had it around his throwing arm. He's the best peanut vendor I've ever seen in my life, and I still think about him. This episode is brought to you by Doordash. Look, winning every Saturday sounds great, but with doordash streaks, it's actually possible. 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And then, you know, he'd kind of look at the vendor, would look at them being like, you know, what are we doing trying to get peanuts to the people here? Because people would raise their hands and he would look at them, and he would flick the bag of peanuts, too, before he threw it. And I don't know if that was to crack some sort of hole in it to release the air, maybe that gave him a better grip. Maybe there was something going on with the vortexes. I don't know. But he had it down. I mean, who's to question any of the process that he would have? And he would kind of give this look like Kenny Stabler after a few drinks. And, you know, the. The fan and the seat would point to themselves, and they'd be like, me all the. All the way up here. And he would just kind of like, flick the sack of peanuts and just kind of give this nod. And then he'd Throw it right into their hands. As long as they didn't move, it was always a completion. And if they dropped it, he'd give that look of like a quarterback being like, that's a fucking in cut. Like, like, what are you doing as a football team? Would go back to the sideline after an incomplete on third down. It was never his fault. And honestly, it kind of wasn't ever his fault if the peanuts landed on the ground. And you have a lot of fun watching it happen because you could see those of us that air a lot, you know, we knew the deal and those that were seeing it for the first time, our enjoyment was seeing people enjoy it for the first time. Sometimes you see him after at the Baseball Tavern, shout out to Rooney, post shift leaning, having a beer. Guys would buy him beers. Sometimes guys would like grab him a beer and then pretend they were going to throw it at him. And he would just look at them and kind of give a. A smile that celebrities will give to people. I was like, yeah, hey, you know, I get it. Yeah. Oh, you're gonna throw it, you know, but it's like, I know you're not at my level. He'd give this look almost like Billy the Kid in jail. Like, you actually, like, you don't think I'm in total control of the situation. And he'd kind of smile. And so, yeah, I still think about him sometimes. And the reason I'm even talking about him is that when I watched Caleb Williams on Monday night, it didn't remind me of the peanut guy at all. Nothing, nothing resembled the peanut guy. Confidence, rattle, accuracy. So, yeah, I'm a Caleb guy and I know it's been two days, not technically 48 hours, but I just had some thoughts because that wasn't good. It wasn't good. Wasn't what I was hoping for. New offense, new investments in the offensive line, a year of seasoning, and trust me, I was getting a lot of texts. I got a few texts, maybe a lot. You know, 10's probably a lot. So closer to five, some texts. In that first stretch of the game, Caleb OB is 10 for 10. He's got the rushing touchdown, the escapability, all the fun stuff. Some guys are like, good for you. You're always stubborn about this stuff and good for you. And I was like, I don't know. Still have a ways to go in this one and sure, like, we can play the game. If they make the field goal to go up 20 to 6 in the fourth quarter, maybe it's a different result if you don't have the awful call on Darnell Wright, I think at right tackle, I think there was the Stevenson pass interference call against Naylor that was pretty rough because it looked like Naylor just sort of fell down on third and one. So there's stuff we could do if you wanted to. I try to talk yourself into this. I mean, it was 12 penalties for 127 yards. But to spin it the other way, the Bears get a pick six. That offense just shut down. They had five possessions in the second half where they moved it for a total of 66 yards before the Kirk Cousins TD to cut the lead to 27:24. So the game was kind of over when they put together that touchdown drive. So, you know, the escapability is nice, but the running around part of it doesn't mean anything if the throwing part of it isn't there. And even though it felt pretty good in the beginning, and for the same reasons I wasn't celebrating Caleb Williams, the same reasons why I wasn't ready to dig a grave for J.J. mcCarthy in his first start, who didn't look good until he was incredible in the fourth quarter and just kind of let it all fly. So, you know, who knows, you know, maybe the Vikings on this JJ thing are right. And, and I'm not even suggesting that they're necessarily wrong, but it's a pretty bold thing to do. As we've touched on during the summer of a team 14 and 3 and being like, nope, we're going to go with the guy that was clearly, clearly they like him enough to have taken him, but just ready to hand him the keys to this whole thing. But back to Caleb, like, there's the clips out there. I mean, do you want to talk about any of the bad throws? Cause there's a ton of them. There's a ton of them. I mean, I could just list all of them, but you've probably seen them already. And if you've seen the all 22 clips, it's even worse because I think in this Ben Johnson offense, if you think about golf, you think about, okay, a lot of it is establishing the run. It is the wins off a play action once the run is established, it is Goff making the right decision when it isn't there. And there were at times throws with Caleb where I'm like, this does remind me maybe I'm just playing too much of the. Ben Johnson was just a Detroit and Goff was there. So I'm looking for the exact same things, but the right throws. When it's not there. And instead of it just feeling like, especially with the lead, like they were in control and it was, hey, just finding those right throws. I don't know what happens to him because I don't know if it's just as simple as calming down a little bit, but once it starts getting weird for him and maybe you could understand, like, goes back to the old David Carr thing with Houston is like, could it have ever been fixed with him, considering he started off just getting his ass handed to him and just all the sack numbers that he was taking? Like, are you. Do you become this quarterback who's trying to develop? And really what you're doing is developing survival? So I was wondering if there was any carryover from that. Like, are these the years where Caleb, like, if it were ever going to work out, it couldn't ever work out from the starting point. Now, the sack numbers for Caleb, they're astonishing from last year, but it's a bit like the Russell Wilson stuff. Even during the peak years in Seattle where, remember the first time Wilson was suggesting, like, the O line needed to be a little bit better or the sack total was a little too high, it's like, yeah, a lot of those sacks are on you, though, because as great as you are in your talent to kind of keep these plays alive, like, you'll look at some of the Caleb numbers and be like, look at all the time he has a throw. And it's like, well, time to throw can be misleading, too, because time to throw can mean that you're just back there running around, hoping something happens, but then the protection is totally breaking down and you end up taking sacks. That has nothing to do with the offensive line. So the bad habits that we saw, whether it was him not seeing the field or feeling like every time he dropped back, he was running for his life, which I think is part of it from last year. But if that's kind of in your internal clock, can that be fixed with new offensive lineman, new coordinator, new system, all that kind of stuff, if that's what you did for an entire year. So, again, it sounds like I'm making excuses for him. I'm not at all. Because the misses. You're just not going to survive in the NFL if you're going to miss throws the way he missed throws on Monday night. I like to look at the Pro Football reference page for the NFL quarterbacks because they have some advanced passing numbers. And I'm sure, you know, again, if we really want to dig into it, you can pick some of this stuff apart, but there's a bad throw percentage number. Like what percentage of your throws over the course of the season are considered bad throws? And the best thing to do is look at the player you're looking at and then compare that with everybody else. So Caleb Last year on 21, 21% of his throws are considered bad throws. According to however they they calculate this number. On Monday night, 26% of his throws were considered bad throws. His pressure rate last season, dropped backs facing pressure pressured on 23 and a half percent of his drop backs in 24. Monday night, 25.6%. So that number didn't necessarily improve. But that 26% bad throw number from just one game, maybe it's just one game, we'll see. It's a carryover. Last year, it's even worse. And then when you compare that, I'm not even putting them against the stock studs. Like Gino had a really good year last year. Gino, 10% of his throws considered bad throws. Let's do some other quarterbacks. Justin Fields in 24, 16%. Drake may 16%. Spencer Rattler last year, 18%. Oddly enough, his bad throw percentage on 46 attempts against Arizona this past weekend, 2%. And then Mac Jones, one of our favorites in his three years at New England. The calculation is 16% of his throws are bad throws. Again last year, Caleb at 21%. You don't see north of 20 very often. And there's even some really good quarterbacks that have an oddly worse number than some of the guys you would like. So again, the number doesn't mean everything, but it was a bad throw fest on Monday night. So look, the bad parts are so bad that it completely cancels out the good parts. And like I've always said, the scrambling part's cool. Like, there was one move where, I mean, it's just a gift that he is able to kind of like step forward and then avoid pressure by like juking backwards and then be back on platform. And he has all the arm talent. And you think, okay, well this, this is really impressive. But none of that is impressive to me. If the throwing part isn't figured out, that's just the add on. And as I watch Monday night or, you know, look, I can chalk up, there's plenty of really good quarterbacks to have bad rookie seasons. But I don't know where the guy is from his sophomore year, his first year at SC where he was what, 42 and 5 on touchdown interception split the 10 yards on average of yards gained A different number you can look at there on, on throws. I mean, just an absurd number. When you calculate the whole stuff in. And you, some of you said, hey, you know, he regressed his junior year. You're not paying attention to that. I looked at the junior year of him trying to survive with a season that was lost based on SC standers where they were 8 and 5. And I'm like, this guy's out there just trying to figure out a way to keep this team in every one of these games. So I thought with adversity, you know, it wasn't like he was one of these dudes at Alabama where they're just better than everybody else. This whole run they get to step in NFL dudes all over the place and it's like, okay, really good, won a ton of games, great stats, but you know, is he going to even have same, like even close to the same level of superiority with the rosters he's going to have in the NFL? And usually the answer is always no. So I thought Caleb was actually dealing with adversity. His final year there, his junior year at sc, that would actually set him up to deal with it. And that's just not happened. So bad start? It was pretty bad. Doesn't remind me of the peanut guy, but I think if you know me, I'm going to have to see a lot more of this looking the same for me to ultimately submit. The Ryan Rosilla podcast is brought to you by FanDuel football fans, every NFL Thursday is your chance to hit the jackpot on FanDuel. Because with FanDuel's Thursday touchdown jackpot, you can win a share of $2 million in bonus bets each week. 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Having insurance isn't the same as having State Farm. It's like needing an offensive guard but getting an elementary school crossing guard. Sure, they're both guards, but who's going to protect your quarterback on the football field? You wouldn't settle for just anything for your team, so don't settle for just any insurance. When it comes to getting the help you need, State Farm is the real deal. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is. There he is one of the best tight ends in the NFL, made the Pro bowl last year. Arizona Cardinals Trey McBride on behalf of Rock and Protein, which tastes great, I got a crate of it sent over here. And he's also the pride of Fort Morgan, a lovely community where I had the chance to spend a day just a couple months ago. So what's up man?
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Trey McBride
What's up man? Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. This will be fun to chat and talk a little ball so it'll be good.
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Ryan Rysillo
Let's start with Fort Morgan though, because I was driving out from Denver to play golf at Bally Neil and then on the way back I had seven hours to kill. So I just was like, I guess I'll go to Fort Morgan because I'd driven through it on the way out there and then on the way back so I hit up some mom and pop gym that was down this dirt road.
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Trey McBride
Yep, I know exactly which one you're talking about the star.
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Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. I did a day pass there, and then I was like, all right, where can I eat? And then I went to, like, this Mexican place over by a ranch supply shop where I bought a shirt.
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Trey McBride
I know exactly which one you're talking about.
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Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, so. So talk to me about your hometown.
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Trey McBride
Yeah, I mean, seven hours is a lot of time to be, you know, to kill in Fort Morgan. There's not a whole lot to do. So I. You know, I'm happy you were able to find some things to do, but. But for me, man, growing up in Fort Morgan was awesome. It's just a small, small community where we're kind of. Everybody knows everybody. You're. You're real close with everybody. You know, where everybody lives, and everybody's. Everybody's super close. But it's something I really enjoyed, you know, growing up in that small town. You know, Friday night lights, the whole town really shuts down. Everybody's at the game. You get, you know, the. The one time there's traffic in town is. Is when, you know, everyone's going to the football game on Friday night. So it's a super special place. I love growing up there, man, and it definitely holds a special, you know, part in my heart.
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Ryan Rysillo
It was like going back in time, man. It was. It was kind of cool. And I can imagine just, you know, the kids on the bikes down the street, and nobody's really worried about it, and, you know, everybody. Yeah. I mean, it's just because if you blink, you're through the town, and then you're back onto the highway, you know?
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Trey McBride
Yep. 100. I mean, it takes you just a few minutes to get from one side of town to the other side of town. So that was always something when I. When I went to college and moved to a different town, you know, having to stop at a couple traffic lights happen to, you know, take more than five minutes to get across. Town was a little different for me, so that was something I had to adjust to. But, no, it was a lot of fun. I love growing up in Fort Morgan and very, very special town.
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Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, I got caught by a train, so that took a little while, but it was kind of fun, you know, I was like, oh, yeah, this is. This is what it's like. And then, yeah, the. The gym had everything I needed. They were a little confused. They're like, what's going on? This guy's getting a date pass. He lives in California. I was like, yeah, just in town, taking it all in. You were a student. Do you still have a record, the record for most points scored in. In basketball history there for the high school.
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Trey McBride
Yeah, yeah, I still have that one. I have the home run record in baseball, rbi. I got a couple. Couple good ones there at that high school. So it's. It was a lot of fun.
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Ryan Rysillo
Was it always football for you, though?
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Trey McBride
You know, early I thought it was going to be baseball. I was. I was a really good baseball player. I could hit the ball really well, and, you know, I always wanted to play basketball. I knew I wasn't tall enough to play basketball, and. And then I was like, okay, well, I'm pretty good at baseball and then baseball kind of just, you know, I thought I was good enough. I got a couple small, you know, Division 2 offers, a couple small, you know, schools. But then the offers for football started rolling in, and I was like, well, it kind of, you know, decided my fate when I had way more, you know, scholarships to go play football than I did to go play baseball. And so my opportunity was to play football. And I, you know, chose Colorado State. And, you know, there. There it is. Yeah. So was a lot of fun.
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Ryan Rysillo
Do you realize now, though, that. That you were. That. That kid, it's like, all right, this guy's just going to be great at everything he does. You have these records, and, you know, that kid is either really mature and understands, like, all this adoration, like, I have to handle it the right way as a high school kid, or that kid's like, the worst because everything works out for him, right?
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Trey McBride
Yeah. I think for me, it was something where I. I knew I was good, but I didn't really know how good I was because I came from such a small town. I was like, man, am I just good because in this small town or am I good? You know, would I be good if I went to a school in Denver, if I went to a bigger school, or am I just the best of. Of what we have here in Fort Morgan? And. And it wasn't a huge sample size, so I didn't really know how good I really could be. And that was something that, when I got to college, you know, learned quickly that I could, you know, be. Be one of the best there at college, too. So it was just one of those things I didn't know until I just kept going and kind of just kept excelling every.
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Ryan Rysillo
Every year. So when you were getting recruited, what's your favorite story from that time?
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Trey McBride
You know, one. One story that. That sticks out to me was, you know, I was getting recruited by. I had a Couple offers, you know, I had Wyoming, I had Colorado State, I had Hal Berkeley. And I was kind of wanting to, you know, choose kind of between a few of those schools. Well, Colorado State had offered me, and they offered me early when I was a freshman in high school. So they had been recruiting me for a long time. A lot of these other schools came in, you know, junior years, things like that. So I ended up committing to Colorado State my junior year. And shortly after I committed to Colorado State, you know, I, you know, I thought I was like, oh, maybe I'll still go on a couple, you know, visits. I'll go visit Wyoming. I'll go visit a couple other schools after I'd already committed and, you know, not really thinking the other schools are like, yeah, bro, you're not coming on, like, these visits unless you decommit from your school or you. You don't tell the coaches you don't want to play them, and then you can come out on a visit. So I had all these, you know, recruiting visits lined up and. And Wyoming was not have hosted me on any, you know, any recruiting visit if I was committed to Colorado State. So it was just one of those things where I thought, you know, I thought I was going to be able to visit all these schools and go and, you know, explore all these other schools. But I committed so early that. That they were all checked out on me and none of them wanted anything to do with me after. After I had committed. So it was one of those. Kind of a tough deal for me, but I'm glad it all worked out. Colorado State was a lot of fun.
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Ryan Rysillo
Was there a little apprehension then? You know, even at Colorado State where you're taking the field D1 now and, you know, kind of what you'd already said, is this Fort Morgan or is this me?
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Trey McBride
Yeah, 100. It was like, am I good enough to play at this level? You know, I was really good at Fort Morgan. I was good at a small school, but it was like, can I do this at this level? Can I. Can I compete at this Division 1 level with all these guys that are bigger, faster, stronger, whatever than I am? So it was. And it was so much fun. You know, actually, my brother was there at Colorado State with me, so it really did feel. Feel like home when I. When I was there at csu. So to go out on the field and play with him a few times was. Was a lot of fun, too.
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Ryan Rysillo
Was it pretty quick, though? Was it pretty quick or you're like, actually, I might be a beast?
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Trey McBride
Well, you Know it actually, I didn't come. I didn't play as much as I wanted to. My freshman year, I was kind of like the backup tight end. They had a guy there already, so I didn't really get my opportunity. But when I did get my first opportunity, I played really well. And then I was like, yeah, I can compete at this level. I can play at this Division 1 level. And. And then kind of took off from there.
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Ryan Rysillo
When did you start thinking about the NFL really?
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Trey McBride
I think after my sophomore season, I. I had a, you know, first team, all conference, Mountain west season. And, and really it was after that season that I was like, wow, this could really be a dream, you know, something that I could really do. And. And then that's kind of when I put all my eggs into one basket and I was like, I'm gonna kind of go all in on football. I'm gonna, like, really, you know, pour everything into this so I have a chance at this NFL. And my whole thing was I wanted to play three years after that, so first team, all conference, I was like, man, if I have one more good season, I can go to the NFL next year and. And do that well. Then that third year, my, you know, was Covid and kind of that whole happened. So then I ended up having to stay one more year to 2021 season, and then went to the NFL after that. But it was really after my sophomore season when I felt like I really have a chance to. To do this NFL thing.
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Ryan Rysillo
I remember during the COVID year, were you thinking about transferring out?
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Trey McBride
Yeah, I. I was. I was. It wasn't really because I didn't want to be at Colorado State. It was during COVID they. They weren't going to play a season. The Mountain west had no football season. They were going to cancel the whole year. So that was right after I had that really good season. And I was like, man, I just need one more year and I can probably go to the NFL. So my whole thing was I'm going to transfer to a school in the SEC that I know for sure is going to be playing football. Like, I know they're going to be playing a football season. I'll transfer to that school, I'll play one season, and then I'll go to the NFL. That was really my goal. You know, right when I was getting ready to transfer, Colorado or the Mountain west decided, hey, we're going to actually play a season. So then kind of backed out of the transfer portal. I didn't really want to leave. I just wanted to Play a season that year.
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Ryan Rysillo
Well, we can do it now. Then we're in the sec. Where are you going to go?
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Trey McBride
I was actually going to go to South Carolina because my, my old head coach, Mike Bobo, had gotten the offensive coordinator job there at South Carolina. So he got fired, got the offensive coordinator job there, South Carolina. So I was probably going to end up there and, and playing for him one more season. Man, it's just crazy. You know, you always wonder, man, what would have happened if I would have transferred, you know, what would have been different, all this and that. So it's just, you know, I'm thankful I stayed at Colorado State. But, you know, every once in a while I think, man, what would have really happened had I went, you know, that, that route.
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Ryan Rysillo
I don't want to jump ahead kind of in the interview, but like, I think about some of the tight ends that are just rock stars in this league, right? And, you know, whether it's, I mean, we can go however long down the line we want to go, but like, certainly with Gronk and then Kelsey and then Kittle and look, you made the Pro bowl last year. So sometimes when I'm like, I don't know when it was like the first time with you, watching you in the NFL, where I thought, man, this guy's kind of nasty, you know, maybe if you had played in the sec, you know, if you had played in the Big Ten or something like that, maybe you come into the league as a second round pick with people having more awareness about you. But then also, you know, your rookie year, you've already talked about it. Like, you know, it's not like you didn't play at all, but you didn't play as much as you wanted to. You still had, I don't know, 29 catches or something like that. So it felt like it took everyone kind of a longer time to catch up to who you were and the impact you were making. And I don't know, did that ever bother you? Does that stuff matter?
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Trey McBride
You know, it doesn't really matter in the long run. It's like, whatever. But, you know, every once in a while I'm like, why don't, you know, people talk about me as much as I feel like I should be talked about or why don't people, you know, know who I am as much as they know these other tight ends, things like that. But at the same time, and it doesn't really matter. I play, you know, I've been playing good football for a couple of years. I'm going to continue to do that. And I think as long as we continue to win, we win a lot of football games and that's when, you know, then, then everything else will kind of take care of itself.
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Ryan Rysillo
I do think everybody knows now, though.
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Trey McBride
Yeah, I don't, I don't get better for sure.
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Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. Yeah. So maybe I'm going Back to like two years ago, before the 24 season, which was kind of your coming out party nationally. And yeah, you're right. Like, if you win, this stuff will take care of itself. But when I think about the draft and, you know, you went back into the second round and we talked to so many guys like, hey, take us through draft night. Like, what was that night like for you? I feel like almost every dude goes, well, I thought maybe there was a chance I was going to go 20. Like, there's always that kind of story. Did you have any thought that you could be surprised? Did you go where you thought you were going to go? Like, what do you remember from that stage of entering the league?
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Trey McBride
The draft night was a funny, funny deal for me because, you know, I was coming off the John Mackey Award. I was the top tight end in the country. So I was like, I, I, you know, I had a pretty strong feeling that I was going to be the top tight end taken. And I was like, looking back, I'm like, man, there's been a lot of, you know, tight ends in the first round the last couple of years. I'm like, you know, there's a good chance I could go, you know, at the back end of this first round. Early second round was kind of where I had expected to go. And it was one of those things where I had this huge party the first night and, you know, obviously didn't get taken the first night. So I was real upset, bummed, embarrassed, all, you know, all the emotions going through and, you know, I had all my friends and family at this party and didn't get drafted and blah, blah, blah. And then the next day, you know, waiting kind of the, kind of through the middle of the second round, you know, thinking I'm going to be a pretty early pick in that second round. You know, not getting the call, not getting the call, not getting the call. And then finally, you know, get up, you know, I've been waiting for, for a couple hours, get up to go to the restroom. And as soon as I go to the restroom, I come back, I have three missed calls on my phone. I'm like, well, I've been sitting here for, for two and a half hours and, and had no one's called me. I get up for, for 30 seconds to go to the restroom and I have all these missed calls. So, you know, Cardinals called me. Obviously, you know, we're chatting with them, but it was one of those things where I didn't talk to the Cardinals the whole draft process. I didn't have one, you know, really talk to. Because they were picked 55. I didn't think I would fall that far. And I didn't, you know, didn't, you know, I thought I'd be drafted before that. Whatever. They probably did too. And then they drafted me and you know, obviously very thankful and happy they did and grateful to be here.
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Ryan Rysillo
Did anyone tell you to not have the party just in case, you know.
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Trey McBride
They were my, my, you know, my agents were like, it's. If you're going to get picked in the first round, it's going to be the last five picks or something, these picks. So he's like, it's up to you if you. And I was like, dude, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna be the, you know, I'm gonna be picked, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, it would suck if I didn't have the party and then got picked, whatever. So got all dressed up, whatever, didn't get picked and then had to come back the second night for, for round two. So.
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Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, and look, then you became the highest paid tight end in the NFL. But Kittle only let you have that, what, for a couple weeks?
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Trey McBride
Yeah, just a few weeks. I knew it was coming. You know, we were talking at the Pro bowl. He's like, you know, just waiting for you to, you know, sign your deal so I can, you know, renegotiate here in. And I was like, well, I'm waiting for you to sign your deal so I can, you know, so it's one of those things where we're just kind of, you know, playing around with, you know, screwing with each other. But I'm happy for him. Obviously. He very, he deserves all of it and, you know, it's cool to have that title for, for however long it was.
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Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, he's the best man. He's. He's a good dude. How does that work? Because, like, there's certain things, I think when you're in a very rare industry, right. Like there's, you know, this isn't as cool, but like, there's usually like a handful of people I can talk about my stuff and they understand it and it's like family doesn't understand it. Even a wife or girlfriend, they're not going to understand it. Is that kind of funny for you to be sitting there talking about kiddos? We're talking life changing amounts of money and you're just two buddies who play the same position going like, hey, what's the deal with you?
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Trey McBride
Yeah, 100 it's super cool. And then just to, to you know, have the conversations, to be there, to, to be in the, the conversation with him, it was super cool. But he', man, he's, it's one of those things where I want him to, you know, get his paid as much and then I want someone to jump him and then everyone kind of just keeps jumping each other and, and then we all make more money. So that's kind of the whole goal is, is we all just kind of make each other some more money. So I'm excited for him and you know, hopefully someone will jump him soon.
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Ryan Rysillo
Who was your favorite tight end growing up?
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Trey McBride
You know, I was a huge Gronkowski fan. I was, I loved watching, you know, when he was there in New England. That was a lot of fun to watch. Watched him a ton. But Shannon Sharp, you know, grew up in color too. So, you know, watching him grow, growing up was a lot of fun too.
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Ryan Rysillo
Did you like receivers as, as much though? Because I mean, I think that's the thing that always, it freaks out some corners. You know, I've, I've heard some conversations around it where it's like this guy's running routes. Like this guy's not supposed to be a tight end in that body.
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Trey McBride
Yeah, it was. You know, that's kind of one of those things where I, I was always kind of a receiver growing up. I was one of those guys who just caught the ball. I was just kind of the athlete and then I just became a little too big to play receiver and they're like a. You're a little too slow. You're not, you know, you gotta, you gotta, you know, put your hand in the dirt a little bit and learn how to block too. So that's kind of how it all started. But I really didn't really play tight end until like my senior year because I was playing quarterback, running back, receiver. I was moving all over the place, just doing all sorts of different things on offense. So one of those things where it just kind of come. Came later.
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Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. And I think, you know, I was, I was listening to your, your OC talk about you and I really, the way I should have said is the tight end body running routes Like a receiver as you filled out a little bit. But I want to talk about Kyler because I think there are things that we don't understand about that dynamic between a quarterback and his receivers and a tight end. You've been with him a bunch of years now. What did you learn about, like, what you had to figure out to make that relationship this great on the field?
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Trey McBride
Yeah, I think I had to really understand how he likes to play. He's a guy who. He plays the game a certain way. He kind of plays with a little bit of freedom. He kind of plays, you know, outside of the box a little bit. So I have to. I had to learn that it didn't come naturally and, and, you know, whatever your route is on paper, it might not always look like that. And it was one of those things where I was always running. Like, if I had a 10 yard out, I'd run 10 yards and I'd run right. You know, so everything that was on, on paper, I would do that. And then I learned quickly where he's like, man, if you're open, like, let's, you know, come on, like, don't run to get covered. Like, you know, so then after a few reps with him and understanding how he sees the game, how he plays the game, just kind of tried to figure out how he did it and slowly just got better and better. And we have a great connection. I feel like I'm on the same page as him. I know exactly what he's thinking, and I'm excited to continue for that to grow or for that connection to grow and, and just see where we can take this thing.
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Ryan Rysillo
So you'll basically have the route and then it's. It's freestyle time, right?
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Trey McBride
Yeah, I mean, not freestyle, but within. Within. Within the, you know, some limitations. You know, have a little bit of freedom to. To get open.
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Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, I'd say sometimes it looks like backyard and that's, you know, and then a credit to his escapability and I mean, he's an insane athlete.
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Trey McBride
Yeah, he's one of those guys where you just. The plays are never over. You know, you could think he's about to get tackled and he. He loops out, he scoots out of, you know, gets out of it somehow runs around and. And makes some incredible throws. So he's one of those guys where you got to be able to play and never give up on the play.
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Ryan Rysillo
What is having Harrison Jr. Next to you mean for you?
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Trey McBride
Obviously, he's a stud. He's a threat to the defense. He Brings so much attention, you know, when he, when he's out there. So he's a guy for me, where, you know, he goes out there and makes a couple of big plays and I can make a big play and we can kind of play off of each other where they can't double us both, they can't cover us both. But he's one of those guys who is an impact player, a guy who, you know, does everything the right way. And I'm excited to see the big jump he's going to make in year two.
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Ryan Rysillo
Is there a difference? Like you lead the team in reception, slash. And sometimes you might think like, okay, is that the best thing for the offense? You know, again, I don't even know that that's even sounds like it's fair to you because I'm sure you're psyched about all the targets and all that kind of stuff. But it's like, hey, if we want to be the kind of threat we need to be to be winning more games, like, do you look at it as, hey, it's better if I'm not the primary on all of these drop backs because now we have a guy. Obviously he's one of the all time talents that we've seen in college football and he got an early start this past weekend in your win against the Saints. But it's one of those situations where I imagine all of you get to a point in your career, especially once you get paid, where it's like, it'd be great to be the primary unless of these. So we have more balance and we know that we can attack in different areas.
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Trey McBride
Yeah, absolutely. I think that's something that I'm, you know, think is a great idea. I think Marvin deserves all the targets he, he gets and more. You know, he's, he's a guy who's going to win, he's going to get open and he's going to make the play when it's done to him. So I am not opposed to getting him the ball as much as possible. And I think that's exactly what the coaches are trying to do is find ways to get, you know, our playmakers the ball and get him the ball in his hands so he can go out there and, and help win football games.
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Ryan Rysillo
Let's talk about the third and seven last year against the Jets. Sauce Gardener. Yeah. And then the hurdle. That was the kind of play that I think it wasn't just shedding sauce, which again, a corner is going to have a hard time trying to tackle a tight end. Up high, but you've got to convert. You're catching it behind the line to gain, and then you hurdle out. What was it like on the sidelines once you realized what you had actually done?
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Trey McBride
You know, I watched that play sometimes, and I'm just like, holy smokes. Like, what the heck was I thinking? What was going through my mind? And it's. It's funny because when you're out there, you don't really think. You just have. You have, like, a split second to make this decision. And. And I broke the tackle, and I was like, man, I'm about to get this first down, and then all of a sudden I'm, you know, 4ft in the air, jumping over, you know, really good. A really good player as well. So I was just like, get the first down, and then just to see the. All the excitement of the. The teammates, of my. My coaches, my teammates, it's that. That I was able to bring that much juice, that much energy. But I look back at that play, and I'm like, man, what the heck was I thinking? I just lose my mind out there sometimes, I guess.
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Ryan Rysillo
I know you said you got to stop hurdling. I didn't see every snap this Sunday because of all the different games. Where are we right now? With your. Your.
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Trey McBride
Yeah, we're. We're over. You know, we're one, you know, one game in no hurdles, so that's good. So I. I. Like I said, I'm trying not to hurdle. I've never done hurdles in my life. I've never done track, none of that. So I don't know where this comes from or. Or whatever, you know, what makes me do that, but definitely not trying to do that. For sure.
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Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. I mean, that's the first thing they ever tell you. Playing football is like, don't jump in the air.
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Trey McBride
Yeah.
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Ryan Rysillo
But it's only.
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Trey McBride
Yeah.
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Ryan Rysillo
It's just so hard when you're good at it.
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Trey McBride
Yeah. And I. I, you know, was never expecting to do it. And then last year, I think I did it like, three or four times, and I'm like, all right, I need to chill out a little bit and. And. And not jump so much.
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Ryan Rysillo
So how do you feel? I mean, I know you're not going to sit here and go, well, you know, it's the beginning of the year. Every team feels great about the best case scenarios and all those possibilities, but, like, how do you feel? And I guess we'll just speak to the offense. How do you feel as an offense right now if everybody's healthy the added pieces. Another year in this system. Where are you at right now?
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Trey McBride
Yeah, I think we're bringing a lot of pieces back, you know, are pretty much bringing the whole offense back. So that's something that I'm excited for, is now we have another year in the same system, same offense, same players, to kind of really dial in on the details and, and know exactly what your job responsibility is on every plan. I'm. I'm really excited of where we can be. The people we have on this team, the people we have on this offense, I think we have the potential to be very good. So I'm excited as long as everyone stays healthy, like, like you said. But I think we can, you know, be a force to reckon with for sure.
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Ryan Rysillo
Your career, like, I know it's Super Bowls and all that different stuff, but, like, how close do you think you are to being acknowledged as the best tight end in the NFL?
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Trey McBride
You know, I think it just comes down to being consistent. Obviously, these guys that George Kittle, Travis Kelsey, these guys, they've been doing this for so long. They've been, you know, playing in this league for 8, 9, 10, 11 years, however long. Mark Andrews, all these other guys. So they've been doing this for so long. You know, great tight ends, they've been. They've been doing this for so many years. So I think, you know, obviously I think time on task is one of those things where you. You really get to get that. And I'm only in my fourth year. I'm just trying to be the best player that I can be, and I don't even think I'm close to considered that right now. So I just want to be. Continue to be a good player and, you know, we'll, you know, see you at the end of the career where that's at.
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Ryan Rysillo
Talk to me a little bit more about rock and protein because I was pumped you guys sent it over. It tastes great. I know it's available. Walmart, Dollar General, Kroger, but I know you're working with those guys.
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Trey McBride
Yeah, it's great, man. They're just great people based here in Arizona. It's something that, That I wanted to, you know, be with local people. Wanted to, you know, be with people who are. Who are here in the local community. But 30 grams of protein, it's. It's really good. Doesn't have that chalky taste, but I think the. The cool thing is there's three flavors as well. I think there's chocolate, strawberry, and vanilla. So they're all great. It's it's for, for everybody, you know, whether you're working out or not. It's just, it's tastes awesome and I recommend it.
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Ryan Rysillo
So. Last thing, can you clear up? I don't know if this was guys that weren't from Fort Morgan, but when I had said I spent time there, people started posting Fart Morgan. Is that, is that a thing? Because I didn't think it was very nice.
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Trey McBride
There's the sugar beef factory right there and I'm sure you saw that right when you drove in, all the smoke, the pollution. But it doesn't smell very good when they're, when they're making those sugar beets and things like that, cutting them up. So it does wreak. It's one of the, you know, worst smelling towns in, in the, in the state. Yeah, it does get that reputation, but it's all I know. It's where I grew up, so, so I love it.
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Ryan Rysillo
All right, well said. Thanks so much, Drake. Good luck, man.
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Trey McBride
I appreciate you having me on and we'll talk soon.
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Ryan Rysillo
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Brad Inglesby
It's great to see you, Ryan. How you doing, buddy?
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Ryan Rysillo
I'm great. I'm really happy for you. And, you know, look, we. We've talked in the past about your work, whether it was Merritt East Town, out of the Furnace, which got a nice reference on the POD again on Mondays. We keep pushing for this to become a cult classic so many years later. But I like to ask anybody that creates a show and writes this whole thing out, and I loved the first episode. I think a lot of people did. And just a heads up, gonna be some spoilers here. So where was the story? How was this rattling around in your head?
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Brad Inglesby
Yeah, yeah. So I always start with characters, and I think on this one in particular, it was a character. My uncle was a priest for a long time. He was an Augustinian. He left the priesthood after about 30 some years. And so that's just always been interesting to me. And we have a bunch of advisors we use on the police shows, and we learned that the FBI uses priests and rabbis and other clergy when, in the wake of mass casualty events, they bring them along to counsel people in the aftermath. And I just thought, wow, that's an interesting, interesting character. A guy who was a priest who worked at a parish and now is bringing that point of view to a different life of service, in this case, the FBI. And what I would always say to Ruffalo is he doesn't really have any superpowers as an agent. He's not like, really good with a gun or he doesn't notice clues other people can't. But he's coming to the job with a very specific viewpoint, and that's. He's trying to see the good in people. He's leading with compassion and kindness. So it started there and then. And then the other sort of anecdote that I learned, you know, in chatting with our advisors was I was. I was. At the time, I was working on another story, Ryan, and. And one of my advisors said to me, trash men and mailman. You know, they come through your neighborhood every day and they know so much about your life, but they're completely invisible. And. And that always resonated with me. And so it started with those two ideas, and then. And then it became a job of trying to figure out a plot where I could stories of those two guys, and we came up with the collision course, and then we started to fill out their lives from there.
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Ryan Rysillo
So did you have the end? And again, I haven't watched any of those future episodes, but did you have the end of this that you were able to write to? Like, you were like, okay, I have this, and now I can backfill it or changing your mind along the way? I don't know.
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Brad Inglesby
So I had an ending that I thought would, you know, given the circumstances of the Ruffalo character and what's happened in the family unit. I had a specific ending for him, a specific emotional ending that I thought I could aim towards. And I never start a script unless I know the ending, because I don't have many rules about writing. I always say what works for you, what gets you to the end is the right way. But the one rule that when I mentor young writers, I try to say is, have an ending. Because what it does is it gives you guardrails. If you know where you have to go emotionally, you can't go too far outside of the guardrails because then you have to travel so far to get back in. So I always know where the show or the movie ends emotionally. What happens in the middle, I often get lost and have to figure out. But knowing where it ends emotionally, I sort of have the bookends in place, and I know that I have to stay within the limits of those two things. So on this one, I did have the ending in mind when I started writing.
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Ryan Rysillo
My favorite thing about you is that I think you are the most efficient at giving us all of the backstory in the least amount of detail. And I don't know if that's in dialogue, but the first scene with Ruffalo with his daughter, and he's sitting there and he's got the dorky outfit on, and he's got the way too much sunscreen on, and he's working in the garden, and you can tell that the daughter. There's obviously this issue, but he's so in love with her, and she's at that age where he's not going to feel loved. And it's in the driveway, and I don't even know if it's 20 seconds, Brad, but you. And I think back to, like, Aaron's character, Amera. Easttown, who, again, Kaylee is probably one of my favorite actors.
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Brad Inglesby
Amazing.
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Ryan Rysillo
It sucked. She had to die in that show because she was so good. And I felt so bad for her in a minute because you told us everything about the challenges in her life. And I don't know, I mean, I imagine you're probably pretty used to praise at this point, but is that something that you've sought out? Is that something where you're like, let me, especially in a pilot, give you all you need without really any dialogue whatsoever?
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Brad Inglesby
Well, I appreciate you saying that. And a credit to Kaylee. I'll just give her a shout out here. We saw so many actresses on that show, Ryan and I said to our casting director, AV Kaufman, like, hey, we really have to get someone that's going to resonate because her death is what carries us through the entire show. We need an actress who's so memorable. And Kaylee was. I thought she was just extraordinary. And as you said, in an incredibly short amount of time, I thought she was extraordinary. But, you know, I always say to, you know, in the room when we're working on a script, I always say, like, I want a scene to be doing a couple different things. It's moving the ball down the field in terms of the plot. Right. Okay, we have to get a clue, but how's it also giving us a history? And like, you mentioned that scene in the driveway at the beginning of episode one, as you said, I love that he wears way too much of sunscreen. Right. That's what it just says something about him as a character. His clothes are tattered and old. He's trying to do things to get his daughter's love in that, oh, I made this for you. I can stop by the Acme. I'll go to this place. And you can see him constantly stretching. And so if you look at that scene, it's, oh, oh, we're going to meet up later. Maybe I'll stop by later. So it's giving the audience an expectation, and it's going to be paid off later when he shows up at Rita's Water Eye. So it does that in terms of moving the plot, but as you said, it gives you a history while something's going on there. She really doesn't want to talk to him. There's something they're both avoiding. He's making an effort to talk to her, but she doesn't want to talk to him. So it's giving the audience a mystery that they want to actually solve later in the show. And when a scene can be doing two things at once without ever trying to seem like it's doing that many things at once. Maybe that's the trick of it. But then I think you're onto something.
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Ryan Rysillo
You also. And it feels like whether it's Mayor, whether it's this, it's the cliffhanger, right? It's the traditional suspense that maybe is less common now. I mean, it feels a little less common. It's like, hey, this is going to be like a fun every week experience. I mean, Mayor was certainly that. The kind of classic whodunit. But the suspense within, the longer suspense, where even with Pelfrey and his partner. And they're garbage men. But at first I'm like, are they undercover because they're going through the garbage? I don't know if you meant to set that up, but there feels like, especially as you're learning about the characters the first time around, is that, yeah, there's going to be a longer mystery to this thing. But I kind of. Kind of want to keep you just on your toes. I want you to not maybe fully understand what I'm setting up here. Even at the beginning of some of the scenes.
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Brad Inglesby
Well, absolutely. I think that's a great point. I was once talking to a journalist, a magazine writer, Matt Teague, who I worked on a movie once, and he said to me, it's not the information, it's the order of information, how you give an audience or a reader, in his case, the information. And I think that's really important. You could throw all the information out at once at the top of the episode, or you could gradually kind of place these seeds. And so as the show progresses, which I hope this show does, you learn new things about the characters in each episode, all the characters, the people in the task force, Martha Plimpton's character. And so you're constantly, as an audience, learning about them, and you feel like, oh, I thought I knew them, wow. But actually they're like this. And then as it gets deeper, wow, I thought they were like this, but now they're like this. And so I love the idea that as you go, there are still mysteries that need to be answered. There's the overall mystery of the show, which is what's going to happen in terms of the plot. But there's also getting to know the audience. And I think so much of screenwriting a series is the order of information. When you give the information and how you give the information and how you're keeping something in your back pocket. So the audience never feels like, I know everything about these characters in the first episode. And. Yep, that was exactly who they were the whole way. Well, no, people are really complicated. You think you know them, and then they do this, and then they do this, and then they do this. And I think that's what I'm always trying to get at is the layers of the characters. It's. People aren't exactly who they seem and how do you use information? And as you said, character beats to give an audience a little. Another layer. Another layer. Another layer here.
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Ryan Rysillo
And I also want to make sure I shout out Tom Pelfrey's partner, Raul Castillo. Yeah, yeah. As a beu guy. I'm not. But I, you know, wanted to acknowledge him in that because I love the line. And I'm going to ask you about the specific line because early on we're learning about them. They're hanging out, they're on a lunch break. Belfry's character is, like, pointing to this private island you can buy in Canada, and the first thing Raul says is, who's going to take out your trash? Did you. What is the origin behind that? Like. Because honestly, I've never thought about that. And it was. It was. It does. I don't even know that it adds a ton. It actually wasn't like, oh, this is the seat. No, it's just. It's such an odd observation that it just really worked well, I think, you.
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Brad Inglesby
Know, when I always thought of Robbie and Cliff, I always thought Robbie was a dreamer and Cliff was the practical guy in the relationship. So. So when Robbie said, look at this, you could own your own island, it's very Cliff to go, wait a second. Who's going to pick up your trap? Like, it's the most practical thing that would never come to mind for anybody else, especially Rob Exchange. It kind of epitomizes their relationship. Here's the dreamer who's just thinking about these crazy islands in Canada, and here's a guy that's going, wait a second. If we lived on an island, who comes and gets your trash? You know? And it was a very. In my mind, it was a very simple way to have an audience understand who was the dreamer of the two and who was the practical. Who was the practical one.
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Ryan Rysillo
There's no way you came up with that line in the first draft.
- [55:34]
Brad Inglesby
I actually did.
- [55:35]
Ryan Rysillo
No way.
- [55:36]
Brad Inglesby
I actually did. Listen, there's a lot of things we changed, but I'm serious, that one was in the first round. Many, many things change along the way. But that one was in the script from the from the jump, you know.
- [55:47]
Ryan Rysillo
You had to feel pretty good about yourself once you wrote that down and looked at.
- [55:51]
Brad Inglesby
I can tell you this, everyone who knows me, I never feel good about myself. I. It's always self doubt. I. Every. Everything stinks. Thinks I'll never. I'll never go back and watch Task or Mayor of east down as long as I live. Because if I ever watch, all I'll do is point out all the things that we did wrong and all the lines that didn't work. And so I would say the pats on the back never really happened.
- [56:12]
Ryan Rysillo
You know this.
- [56:13]
Brad Inglesby
You're a writer. You know how it is. You're all. It's. You're always doubting yourself. You. It's always, oh, God, could we make it a little better? I wish it was. I wish I had a better line. I wish it was a little bit more tense. I wish the emotional payoff was a little bit bigger. It's a constant, constant cycle of doubt, you know?
- [56:30]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. I think the thing I've learned is like, oh, so it's kind of never done.
- [56:34]
Brad Inglesby
Oh, never. It's never done until they take it away from you. Right. Until they're like, guys, the edit is actually like, we are closing up shop. We're packing the computers. I mean, up until the last minute, I was like, I'd still like to go back to that episode one and look at that action sequence. We might have missed that one shot. And it's like, like, you know, we've run out of money, we run out of time. The editors are going home. It's never done. It is never done.
- [56:58]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. And like, to your point, you. I'm sure if you watch Mayor, you would find all sort of, well, you know, I could have changed this word. And that's. That's the thing about it. It's like, eventually you have to go, yeah, we could change a ton of it. We could keep changing and changing and changing, but eventually, like, somebody has to talk in front of a camera. Yeah.
- [57:12]
Brad Inglesby
Yep.
- [57:13]
Ryan Rysillo
Your. Your background, I know I've talked to you about, but I almost feel like I have to be reminded of it because between this out of the firm and now, you know, here we go again, where it's this gritty blue collar, rough around the edges. Did you know these people or did. Is there. Is there a dark side to your past that I'm not aware of?
- [57:34]
Brad Inglesby
You know, it's funny. Not really. I think, you know, I would say the neighborhoods in the show that where Ruffalo's character lives was you know, was sort of where I grew up, that sort of very suburban, kind of leafy Delaware County. I actually grew up in Chester county, but one county over. And all my relatives still live in Delaware county and Chester County. But I think everyone always asks. I think I'm a pretty nice guy. And they're like, wow, you seem so incredibly dark. I don't know. I think that really is the job of a writer, is to be able to put yourself in people's shoes. And there are parts of each story that are true. As an example, in May, my grandmother moved in with us, and she lived with me after she wasn't able to live on her own. You know, so and so. So the Jean Smart character was different from my grandmother, but the idea of a. A grandmother coming in to live with her mother, you know, is part of my life. My uncle is a priest. He left the priesthood. He married a woman. So that's. So there are elements that I am tied to in the show, and there are certain characters that I feel a closeness to. And then there's the idea where, hey, it needs to be entertaining. It, as you said, there needs to be a cliffhanger. An audience needs to come back. So we wrap our arms around the genre expectations of an audience. But I also. I really see myself as a character writer. Like, Mayor, to me, was a story of a woman who couldn't get over the loss of her son and perhaps her own failures as a mother. She had to come to terms with that. She had to forgive herself. Task, in my mind, is a story of a father and a son. I won't spoil anything that happens along the way, but equally, a character study of a guy who's lost his fate. And so those are themes I can tie into. I can tie into the themes. I know those themes without knowing how an FBI would go into a raid, you know, so I always feel, Ryan, if I'm able to access someone emotionally the other side, that, you know, the parts of their life I don't know, I'm. I can use tech advisors. The chief of police in Easttown is a friend. He comes in and helps me with the stories. We have an FBI agent. So if I can find a way and emotionally, like the other things, I think I can. I have a. I have a rich enough imagination where I can get there, but it's the emotional access that I need to come from my real life. And so, you know, even. Even in Mayor, I'm not a mother. I didn't lose a child in that way, but I Am a father and. And certainly the greatest. You know, all the fears you have as a parent are losing a child. So I'm able to access that in some way. And then the other side, I just got to tech advisors and research and do that thing. But it's a bit of my own life, and then it's a bit of trying to imagine yourself in the shoes of someone else.
- [60:27]
Ryan Rysillo
What purpose? And maybe again, only seeing an episode, but mapping out the show, mapping out the season and mapping out the pilot. The purpose of the bird watching angle of this, what is that? This isn't me being like, hey, what's the point of that? That it's. I can. I know there. There's a meaning for it. It doesn't reveal itself. When you're thinking of how you want to layer your storytelling, what's the motivation behind something that just seems so detached, at least from the story in the first episode.
- [60:59]
Brad Inglesby
Yeah, it's. So I think it does pay off. I won't spoil it, but I think it does pay off in really interesting, meaningful ways. But I think it's more, you know what it is, Ryan? It's so my uncle, who was a priest, he's a bird watcher. So. So some of these things are, you know, when I write a character, it's really the aggregate of a lot of details. You know, like, one of the first things with Tom Pelfrey's character that I liked was the ice cream that he would come. I don't know where it came from, but he comes in and opens a jar of ice cream, scoops it with his fingers and eats it. And it's a little thing. But when I'm writing characters, I'm oftentimes not, you know, I'm not always aware of the longer arc. What I'm aware of is behavior like, oh, well, I got to get to know this person, so what's their behavior like? And, you know, I liked him smiling at the. At the dating ad that comes on in the radio in the morning. Because as a viewer, you're going, oh, here's a guy that's sort of a bit of a romantic at heart. He likes the idea that maybe there's somebody out there who's waiting for him. And. And the bird watching to me was. It was just something that. That I believed Tom would do as a character. Now, again, that came from my uncle, Something like that. And then. And so once you nail down all the believable character traits and routines, then you start to go, well, how can I use that as A theme, right. I want to create the character in a meaningful, rich way. I want it to be true to who they are. Then let me use those things, you know, so it's. So I'm not starting with birds as a theme. I'm going, oh, I think this is something he would do. I love this idea. It's. It's a part of his routine. Then let me stretch it into a theme. Then let me carry it through as a thread and find some meaning. And I think if you, you know, as you go along and watch the show, you will find some meaning in there.
- [62:45]
Ryan Rysillo
How involved are you with casting, considering it sounds like you have a pretty strong image of who these people are when you're writing it?
- [62:51]
Brad Inglesby
On the movies, I write very little. You know, that's more of a director's thing. The director comes in, but on the shows, you have a huge say in the casting. And, God, we. You know, we got so lucky on this one. The cast all the way through is just. Just absolutely superb. AV Kaufman was our casting director, cast mayor as well. So I have a lot to say, and I'm. I feel like, you know, not only did we get amazing actors, but Ruffalo, Pelfrey, the rest of the cast, just some of the best guys you could ever meet in your life.
- [63:23]
Ryan Rysillo
Does it help with Pelfrey, like, being where he's from, you know, not to say, like, New Jersey. I mean, it. It's so unbelievable with him. Him. And you know what? He's Rutgers. He's New Jersey. So, you know, again, like, Pa. People may think, like, we're not the same or whatever, maybe those from outside. But it. It. He just comes off as completely believable as this guy. And look, Ruffalo can basically do anything. So, like, there's probably never a concern, like, hey, is this guy gonna be able to pull it off? So I don't even. There's no. There's no. There's not a Ruffalo question. So I don't even have one for you, but.
- [63:58]
Brad Inglesby
No.
- [63:59]
Ryan Rysillo
Do you look. You look for that, though? A little bit. I have to.
- [64:01]
Brad Inglesby
I think with Pelfrey. I think with Pelfrey, he put himself on tape. And true story, we had. He. He put himself on tape. He put himself on that. On tape. He did the scene you were talking about earlier about the. About the trash boats or who picks up your trash. And he has such an iconic laugh, Tom, that after. So I clicked on the T. You know, we get. Nowadays, like, you very rarely do casting tapes in person. He Sent us a tape. Tape. And I got through about a minute of it, and he laughed, and I was like, what an incredible laugh. And I was about to hit play again. I got a call from our director, Jeremiah, and he was like, have you seen Pelfrey's tape? He's our guy. He had already watched. He's like, he is the guy. And I think he was maybe, like, maybe the second person we auditioned, Ryan, and we cast him on the spot, and I think he's fantastic in the show. He's just absolutely riveting as an actor. And your heart breaks the whole way through for him. Because I think that the great accomplishment of Tom in the show, and I think Mayor. I think Kate did a similar thing in Mayor, is they do terrible things and make terrible decisions, but you never for a second aren't on their side. You constantly want them to get in Mayor's case, solve the case, case. In Pelfrey's case, get away. And that takes a real talent to achieve that, I think.
- [65:26]
Ryan Rysillo
Okay, so I wasn't going to ask this now. And again, this is a huge spoiler alert if you've not seen the pilot, so just give it a couple minutes. So the other thing that you do well in this is it's not just story. It's not the longer suspensible arc, but it's a suspense in the shots. Okay. And so. So I hesitate, but at least we've talked about some of the stuff I've worked on, so at least I feel a little bit more real to you in the audience. And that is, like, some of the rules. And it's not like network rules. I think they're rules more on, like, understanding audience habits. And we can sit here and pretend that the audiences want all these different versions of storytelling, but I don't know that that's necessarily true. And you have a decision to make, and it's clear that you'd already made the decision based on knowing how your own show is going to go. But when both Tom and Raul hit the second place. Yeah, they kill everybody. They lose Peach boy.
- [66:25]
Brad Inglesby
Yep.
- [66:26]
Ryan Rysillo
And there's a little boy now that changes the entire dynamic. Right. And he's like, are you my dad's friends? And of course, the first thing you leave us with is their decision, which we don't know what to do because their masks are off. Off. He's a witness. And I'm watching, and I'm going, there's no way. Because even though Pelfrey and. And Raul are bad guys, they're still, like, better than the other bad guys. And we've already spent the day with their family, so we're going to be rooting for them. And they do seem likable. And, hey, they're just killing drug dealers, so how mad can I really be at them?
- [66:58]
Brad Inglesby
Yeah.
- [66:59]
Ryan Rysillo
And then you're like, they're not going to kill a kid. Yeah, but you want to leave us with. With the potential option, because you then shoot them in the car and you don't see the kids in the backseat. And then when they get back to Pelfrey's home, you shoot it facing them where it looks like they're pulling up to, like, the quarry, perhaps to dump a body. And then finally we come back around. So, like, I know there is no way. First of all, you would lose the audience because it's like, so I'm supposed to give a shit about these two guys now? Like, they're awful. I don't care. They were robbing drug dealers, so I can't. I'm sure it was never to, like, the network note, but there's some things that I have with the current network that I'm working with. On the pilot I sold, there'll be times where it's like, hey, this is great, but this doesn't work because you can't do this to your main guy this soon because now you're asking everybody to care about him for 10 episodes. Man, everything works. But, like, this part, part doesn't work. And it's like, you know what? They're right.
- [68:03]
Brad Inglesby
They're right.
- [68:03]
Ryan Rysillo
And this, this is an obvious one because it's like, hey, we can't have, like, them kill a kid at minute 58. Yeah, but I mean, you love with us along the way.
- [68:16]
Brad Inglesby
Well, I think, you know, a credit to Jeremiah, our director on that episode, who really mapped out in the ways that everything you just said, Ryan, like, oh, let's get out of that scene on a pregnant. You know, what are they going to do with the kid? Right? And then we go to Tom, and as a storyteller, what you're doing is you're leaving the audience with a question. Out of the scene, oh, wait, what do they do with the kid? It's carrying you through some kind of more procedural beats, right? He gets the call. You got to come out to the scene now, you know, now that section of the story, which could be a little bit kind of mundane at times. The procedural beats are always kind of hard to write, I feel, because the audience has seen them. But it's charged with, oh, my God, we got to get back to what happened to the kid. You know, so it carries you through that section. And then Jeremiah had a really lovely image where he said, you know, I want to mirror the opening shot of Robbie carrying his own son. I want to have a very, very similar image at the end with Sam. And so if you were to go back and look at those two shots, the very beginning, when he picks up his son and carries him down the hallway, then we bring back a very, very similar image at the end where he picks up Sam and holds him in his arms.
- [69:25]
Ryan Rysillo
And.
- [69:26]
Brad Inglesby
And so those were very sketched out. But, yes, we are giving the audience a bit of a heart attack, just going, oh, my God, what did they do with Sam? And then hopefully at the end of the episode, there's somewhat of a release going, okay. At least he's okay. I'm scared. What's happening in the house at the moment? Or I don't know what's happening in the house, but at least we know the boy is alive. And that's done intentionally. It could be a bit of torture, but it is done intentionally for all the reasons you laid out.
- [69:53]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, I mean, that's really, you know, whether it's somebody that works in the industry going like, there's no way this is actually happening, because then the show's over and. And the audience that desperately doesn't want anything bad to have this kid because you feel so bad for the kid. And then again, during the procedural stuff, you see this matrix mattress is in the basement. So then that's another added layer of like, did. Did they do something good after killing three people? Again, there's not a ton of sympathy for the three people that are killed world. But I. I'm watching and I'm going, he's done such a good job because he's still maybe planting a little seed of doubt with you, even though so much of the audience is thinking like, there's no way. There's no way he did this. But just the. The beats of doubt.
- [70:39]
Brad Inglesby
Yes.
- [70:40]
Ryan Rysillo
And then being so relieved. And this is where I think it's. It's brilliant. So you may have known the end of the story. I'm going to ask you about the end of the pilot. It. Yep. In that. I mean, this is so much better than who did this. How's this guy going to escape? It's. How are these guys going to have this kid at their house from the murder scene? Did you know that that was the end of the pilot?
- [71:05]
Brad Inglesby
Yeah, we did. And And I felt like the, you know, the shot was very specific in that we wanted it to. So we knew that was the end of the pilot. And then we wanted to design a shot where you saw them go in and you lingered on the house for a few seconds going, oh, my God, as you just said, Ryan, what must be happening in there right now? Right? It's like they just walked in. It's the morning, his own kids are about to wake up. You know, Maeve hates him already, and now he's gonna, he's gonna have to answer to her in some way about this kid. And so we wanted it to, you know, to be okay. The kid's okay. And now they're going in the house, but linger on the house a minute, minute or a few seconds in this case, just for the audience to start to have the wheels turning in their mind going, my God, what must be happening in that house? What a complicated situation it is. And I felt like that was a good cliffhanger that would get people to go, well, I have to go see what the heck is going on in that house. For season, for episode two.
- [72:02]
Ryan Rysillo
You know, it's an all timer, Brett. It's such a great cliffhanger because then the first thought I have is, how, how is he going to have this storyline survive for a season of the Witness is now living with him, but it's like he also can't just keep a kid. So how, how is this going to work? And I don't know. You know, you and I haven't talked about it. I think you sent me one of the episodes, but I kind of wanted to wait on this whole thing. All right, so a couple more things before we finish here. How bad did HBO want you to figure out a sequel to Mary East Town?
- [72:38]
Brad Inglesby
You know, honestly, they, you know, yes, they did. And they were actually wonderful about it in the, in the way that I think they understood the issues with Mayor Season 2, which you, which for me were what could possibly happen in this small town? Again, what could be another crime that would involve all this, all this character's friends and family. Right? That's what, what, that's what I always felt worked about Mayor was it was a woman investigating a crime that in. That involved all the people who were closest to her. And the idea that in the wake of a terrible tragedy, a horrific crime, another crime come along in this town. Now, I have said, and I have said, I actually think Mayor is a story that if you were to come back in a couple years, five years, six years, who knows if audiences would care about Mayor by way the then. But I actually think that character, if you were able to revisit her in a couple years or if you gave it enough time, it's almost better because you've built up other things that have happened in her life. You could believe another crime would come into this small community and involve people she cared about. So that, I think is actually a story that you could revisit in a couple years. And HBO was like, hey, I think in the immediate aftermath of Mayor, they would have loved another one. But they were also really aware of the limitations of that type of story, you know.
- [74:07]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, I remember talking to you about it too, at the time, and it was like, you know, I don't want to. I was just like, that's so hard. It's going to be so hard.
- [74:14]
Brad Inglesby
I know and I know.
- [74:16]
Ryan Rysillo
Did you. Did you outline anything, though? I'm sure there was probably a couple hours spent on it.
- [74:21]
Brad Inglesby
No, totally. And, you know, and I think that, you know, I think what's hard about May is it's a character I love. She's so. It's a joy to write Mare because she's a character that. That's, you know, she's so complicated and she's so cervic and funny and, you know, mean to her family and kind to strangers. She's just this constantly hard to pin down person. So as a writer, you feel a certain freedom in writing her. So, dude, I sketched out hundreds of scenes with Mayor and Jean, Smart Mayor and Laurie, Mare and I. But I think that's just a symptom of me just being a guy whose brain is constantly firing at all times. But even now, even now, I feel so close to that character. If you were to say to me, what's Mayor doing? I could come up with a scene in two seconds because it's just a character that's never left me.
- [75:15]
Ryan Rysillo
Do you think Kate signing on for that kind of leads to anticipation for the next Inglesby script where now people go like, like, hey, I saw what happened with Mayor. Like, I'm in.
- [75:27]
Brad Inglesby
Yeah, I think, you know, it's funny. That is a character that resonates with people. Like, even we did the press tour on task, so many people still ask me about Mayor, and it's a character that's resonated in ways I really never even expected. But I think there was also a mother daughter dynamic there with Jean that people, you know, really respected. And. And certainly Kate, her performance, her joining the show has allowed me to have access to actors that I never would have imagined even getting. Ruffalo. He had seen Mayor when we talked and he loved that show. And I think he felt like he was in safe hands because he had seen Mayor. And so it was a wonderful experience in my life. I'm incredibly grateful to have Kate and have her performance in that show. And also, Julianne Nicholson is just one of the all time greats in my book. Just got no, I think she won an Emmy last over the weekend again. But to work with actors like that, it makes up for a multitude of sins as a writer. Ryan.
- [76:34]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, it must be fun just knowing. It must be fun just going like, well, whatever I write down, like, Ruffalo will probably figure it out and. And he does in every scene. And then you let him, you know, like another thing too. It's like, don't be afraid to let the actor have fun in some of the stuff. And the scene where he gets hammered, it's like, all right, we're going to get you out of your comfort zone and you get to play just a weird drunk scene with another guy. No other guy's like, cool. When you got hammered and started asking me to dance with you, that was fun. Let's hang out again soon. The weekly whodunit of Mayor was really fun and I'm excited to do this again. And there's probably friends of yours being like, I have to wait a week. Still not quite understanding. Do you think your storytelling benefits from getting a break?
- [77:31]
Brad Inglesby
I do, because I think that there's a density to this storytelling, I think, and maybe some people will like it, some people won't like it, but it's dense. Even when we were editing, you know, the episodes, you felt like, wow, a lot happens in each episode. It's not like, you know, we, you know, we all watch shows and sometimes you get through an episode of a show and you go, wait, I watched. You know, it was a 42 minute episode and one thing happened and I, I could have skipped that episode and probably gone to the next one. Ask is pretty. It's. It's pretty dense in that way. And, and I think in a good way, I think in a way where, where an audience will feel like, wow, I got a full meal. I learned something about the characters. The plot moved in three or so ways. We zig and zag a few times each episode. You learn things about the case and you're left wanting to know what happens. And so I think a show like this, I think, benefits from that pause and having A moment to go. Okay, let me regroup in the wake of that. That let me think about those characters a little bit. I also think it's a show, Ryan, that is about the characters. And I think, selfishly, the longer you get to spend with the characters, I think the better the show becomes. And by that I mean, all right, I met Tom Brandis. I met Robbie. I'm going to spend another week kind of having them on my mind a little bit. Whether they're actively on my mind or passively, they're there in some way. And now I'm going to spend another hour with them, and then another week goes by. I think this is a show that if we've done our job, and I hope we have, it lingers in your mind not because of the reveals or the plot beats, but because you got to spend time with people that you really cared about. And I think time, like any relationship, the longer you get to know someone, the more meaningful it becomes. And I'd say, selfishly, that's what I want. I want an audience to spend as much time with these people as we possibly can.
- [79:36]
Ryan Rysillo
I can't wait to spend more time with him. Every Sunday night on hbo again, task Brad Inglesby with another hit. And I'm just fired up for you, man. You know, thank you. I appreciate all your help over the years, and I can't wait to see how you untangle this mess.
- [79:53]
Brad Inglesby
All right, thanks so much for having me on, Ryan.
- [79:57]
Ryan Rysillo
You want details? Fine.
- [79:59]
Kyle Ceruti
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
- [80:03]
Ryan Rysillo
What's up?
- [80:05]
Wargon
I have a ridiculous house in the south fork. I have every toy you can possibly.
- [80:09]
Ryan Rysillo
Imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible.
- [80:15]
Kyle Ceruti
Let me tell you what's required.
- [80:17]
Ryan Rysillo
LifeAdvice. LifeAdvice. Rrmail.com. don't forget ladies week. You can put it in the subject. You're serious. 1.
- [80:24]
Wargon
Man, this is the second I've heard. I didn't know it was that.
- [80:26]
Kyle Ceruti
I thought this was like a bit that one went from, you know, put two pods together. But you should.
- [80:31]
Ryan Rysillo
We got a couple emails, so now we get to follow through on it. I don't know.
- [80:35]
Kyle Ceruti
Would a real ladies week just be off the air and just do them a favor? If they're in the car with their. With their significant others, would that be the real favor for ladies week?
- [80:44]
Ryan Rysillo
Just tell them. Just taking a break.
- [80:46]
Kyle Ceruti
We're just taking a break this week.
- [80:48]
Ryan Rysillo
This one's for you. Hey, I'm doing a Tales from the couch lady. So our gift to you is to be put it after the interview. Yeah, there you go. I would love to see the data on. Well, maybe I wouldn't want to see the data on that. I don't know. I don't know. Whatever.
- [81:06]
Wargon
What the male female breakdown of no Tales from the Couch.
- [81:10]
Ryan Rysillo
That's easy. Like on Instagram you can look at it. I think it's like 96% men. Just not enough thirst traps out there. I may post one from St. Barts just to get things moving.
- [81:20]
Wargon
You need more private like PJ pictures.
- [81:25]
Ryan Rysillo
You know, private jet stuff. Yeah. Just because you fly private doesn't mean keep it a secret. That's one of my favorite catch.
- [81:31]
Wargon
It was a. It was a good one probably. It's a hall of famer right there.
- [81:35]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. Although I think I may have lost a potential a couple inquiries on that alone for people that thought it was serious. But it's okay. Means we never were going to get along in the first place. Yeah.
- [81:49]
Wargon
We didn't. People out. We don't need.
- [81:51]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. Yeah. I'm just not at private jet status, so I just don't know. But I just. I still think every now and then somebody will hit me up and be like, I'm like I'm by myself a lot, man. I just don't.
- [82:03]
Kyle Ceruti
I'm getting. I'm getting like my Instagram algorithm thinks that like I want to charter private jets now. I don't know. I never prompted anything, never searched anything. It's like, you know, you could secure like up to four seats on a 12 seater private jets jet. And I'm like, what in the hell? And then like I've been getting it the last. Usually Instagram's pretty on point. Like I've said something. It hey, there it is. Or you know, just my lifestyle, it kind of aligns and this. I'm just getting bombarded with like private jet bookings. I don't know what that's about. Not going to do it though.
- [82:33]
Ryan Rysillo
Obviously. Yeah. Holding out.
- [82:36]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, holding out.
- [82:39]
Ryan Rysillo
It was like when I did one of the wheels up, like sit down. Fireside Chat. That's. And I was like, we getting a couple hours out of this? What are we looking at here?
- [82:51]
Kyle Ceruti
Let me know when to look at my account.
- [82:54]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, because Mike and Mike were on that train. Van Pelt was on that train and they were doing stuff. They were legitimately doing things for him. And then there was a Super bowl event I went to and Mike and Mike were hosting it for wheels up or something. And I Like, this is the next level. It just didn't. It didn't work out. That's all right. It's fine. Yeah.
- [83:17]
Wargon
Bum rides from Mike and Mike back from the Super Bowl.
- [83:21]
Ryan Rysillo
You guys going to Canton again?
- [83:22]
Wargon
It's like, damn, Priscilla showed. Not doing well, huh?
- [83:26]
Ryan Rysillo
Like, why'd you want to go to Canton? I don't know. Hall of Fame game in. I love the first preseason game. That's when you, you know, sitting there with a depth chart. Who's that guy? Oh, he's a temple. I remember him. All right, it sounds like you want the floor here, Kyle. We have some room, so we're gonna.
- [83:47]
Kyle Ceruti
Go for a bit. You know, it was really. It was like 10 minutes before I got on this pod. You ever, like, look in the mirror and you're like, you're fucking up, dude. Get your shit together. It's probably been like 36 to 48 hours of just like a poor decisions, nothing. Like life altering works fine, everything but like, I've eaten like this fucking grocery store ramen twice in a row like the last two days. Absolutely running through me. My office is a mess on the second day of making this stupid ramen. I'm like, I was gonna put this. I had this spoon that's got this, you know, like, shit, like, food on it or whatever, and I wanted to put it down, and I put it down on top of the nice fucking thank you note that Mike and his wife sent me. And I'm just like. Just because I didn't want to put it on the counter and wipe it off. It's like little thing. Like, I had a moment right there and I was like, this is the shit I'm talking about, dude. I'm talking myself. My wife's in the living room.
- [84:33]
Ryan Rysillo
Like, what?
- [84:33]
Kyle Ceruti
I'm like, like, nothing, nothing. It's just like, I just been making poor choices. Mike sent me a really nice thank you note. Thank you. I know Mike wrote it because his handwriting is just like mine. So anyway, it ends today. It ends today. Although I did have the leftover ramen this morning, and I'm expected to pay for that later, too. It ends now. I've just had a rough 20. Rough 48. And I just sort of needed to. Wanted to apologize to Mike in a way, but also I'm really apologizing to myself. Thank you for the thank you out, Mike.
- [85:04]
Jonathan Frius
Dude, no worry. I'm more concerned you made ramen yesterday and then ate it this morning.
- [85:08]
Kyle Ceruti
Dude, I'm just. I'm not proud of the last. The last 48. But I think part of being a man is just looking at, looking at yourself in the mirror.
- [85:15]
Ryan Rysillo
It's like 8am man. What are you doing?
- [85:18]
Kyle Ceruti
I was like leftover, bro. And it was spicy and I already, I feel terrible already. I feel like my face is redder than usual. Like, let's just. Enough's enough.
- [85:27]
Wargon
But it's behind you now. Let's play golf.
- [85:29]
Kyle Ceruti
Yesterday. Yeah, Played golf.
- [85:30]
Wargon
Awesome.
- [85:30]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah. Maybe best ever.
- [85:32]
Ryan Rysillo
Would you shoot?
- [85:33]
Kyle Ceruti
Well, we're not to that point yet, but I, I will tell you that I, I. Here's what I. Here's what I texted my dad. Two legit pars, three bogeys, and a couple atrocious holes for nine. Not bad.
- [85:43]
Jonathan Frius
How many balls you lose?
- [85:44]
Ryan Rysillo
Four. Yeah.
- [85:47]
Kyle Ceruti
And then I actually would find. Then I found the last one on, you know, on the way back, and I was like, lost ball.
- [85:53]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Speaking of putting stuff behind you, you. What's going on back there in your room? Is that a humidifier and a Dyson fan?
- [86:04]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah. Yeah.
- [86:05]
Wargon
I got a PS5, right?
- [86:07]
Kyle Ceruti
I got an extra Dyson fan. Where do you see a PS5? There's no PS5.
- [86:10]
Wargon
What's right in front of the Dyson fan?
- [86:13]
Kyle Ceruti
That's a humidifier.
- [86:14]
Wargon
It's like a PS5.
- [86:15]
Kyle Ceruti
No, my mom sent me a humidifier and it's a humidifier that like breaks into fucking eight pieces. And it's so annoying.
- [86:21]
Ryan Rysillo
And she's.
- [86:22]
Kyle Ceruti
I've just been lying to her that I've been running the humidifier for the last two years. So neither of those are plugged in right now. You know, the thing about the Dyson fans is they need an $80 filter that really gets filled up. Especially if you got like, you know, rabbit particles or whatever. But like, whatever, it just, just fills up. And then next thing you know, it's like, I got a subscription for $80 things and I have two Dyson fans. Those were a gift from back in the day, shout out to Dyson. It was a one shining pod thing we had going on. But I have a vacuum.
- [86:51]
Ryan Rysillo
The filters on those things.
- [86:52]
Kyle Ceruti
Things, dude, filters. It used to be two part filters. Now they wisened up and they made them all in one. But it was like, I just couldn't imagine. I ran it until it stopped running without a filter in it. Because I was just like, what happens? And then I cleaned it out and I'm just. It's unplugged in the corner now.
- [87:08]
Ryan Rysillo
What's going on with those sheets of paper on the couch?
- [87:11]
Kyle Ceruti
Those are actually. I Found these things at a. Not a farmer's market. What do you call it?
- [87:15]
Ryan Rysillo
A flea market?
- [87:20]
Kyle Ceruti
No, no, it's like, yeah, flea market. There you go. And they're like cool space things, but, like, I have to get frames, and I just don't want to forget them. Listen, I'm telling you, today is where it ends. I'm going to pick everything up. I looked at, like, when I opened the door to the office. This my little office in here. I looked at. I was like, you got to be kidding me.
- [87:36]
Ryan Rysillo
It's like, just.
- [87:36]
Kyle Ceruti
That's strike three, motherfucker. You know? So I'm gonna sign off and gonna hit the pavement.
- [87:43]
Ryan Rysillo
You're really giving it to yourself today.
- [87:45]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, yeah. I think it's necessary sometimes.
- [87:48]
Ryan Rysillo
First day of the rest of your life. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, congrats, dude. So we're all good now. I feel like you said what you said.
- [87:59]
Wargon
We could probably thank you as well for the note. It was very nice.
- [88:02]
Jonathan Frius
You got it, dude. Thanks for the gift. Yeah, you know, you guys don't got to thank me for the thank yous.
- [88:08]
Kyle Ceruti
Well, I didn't ask you not. I said I was gonna, you know.
- [88:12]
Wargon
You didn't do any.
- [88:13]
Kyle Ceruti
A couple of the great aunts were like, well, wondering if you ever got our gifts. And I just don't know how to.
- [88:18]
Ryan Rysillo
Handle that email circling back.
- [88:23]
Wargon
You say, oh, you gotta have an app. You don't have the app. That's all right. That's my bad.
- [88:26]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah.
- [88:26]
Jonathan Frius
My grandma's really old. She went to a wedding, gave this woman a gift, never got a thank you note. So now every time this other woman posts on Facebook, she responds, hey, have you found time to send that thank you note?
- [88:37]
Brad Inglesby
You if yet.
- [88:37]
Kyle Ceruti
Oh, my God.
- [88:39]
Ryan Rysillo
She just goes right at you, huh?
- [88:40]
Jonathan Frius
She doesn't care. No. She gives.
- [88:41]
Wargon
No, dude, Facebook is a wild place. Like, people just sometimes, like, when people use Facebook as, like, Google, it's like, oh, my God. It's unbelievable.
- [88:53]
Kyle Ceruti
My grandmother will do. When she first got an Instagram, like, she basically got it to follow Bill, and then she'll just like, Bill Simmons. Like, like, not Instagram was Twitter. It was just. She just tweeted bill. It's like 100.
- [89:04]
Wargon
Wait, no, that's. I knew a guy back in the day who did something similar. He was like. He was. He was interested in this girl. Girl or whatever, and he goes to look her up in the search bar.
- [89:13]
Ryan Rysillo
Oh, my God.
- [89:14]
Wargon
But instead, he just types her name, jump off of the status, and hit Send and didn't know. So her name was just on his wall for a while and buddies were texting him like, hey dude, you gotta, you know what's going on here. It's kind of a situation and everyone knows what happened. Yeah, not great.
- [89:31]
Ryan Rysillo
To be fair. That was his status.
- [89:34]
Kyle Ceruti
Yes. Searching for Hillary or whatever.
- [89:37]
Ryan Rysillo
Very clear at that point. This is what I'm doing right now. Check out my farm. Okay, a couple updates. We got time. Remember our Toronto stand up comedy guy? Sounds like.
- [89:54]
Kyle Ceruti
No, I think I might not have been do.
- [89:56]
Ryan Rysillo
Okay. Hey guys, hope this message finds you all in good health and great spirits. First off, thank you for reading my email last October. It meant a lot when Ryan said he was proud of me and called me brave for chasing standup at 47 years old. The encouragement from all of you gave me a real boost. Yeah, remember this guy was going to move to Toronto.
- [90:14]
Wargon
Yeah.
- [90:14]
Ryan Rysillo
So we've been in Toronto for nine months. Having moved from Northern Ontario, it's been incredible. I walk out of my building on the King street, look left and. And boom. CN Tower right there. We've never been happier. It took a little while to get things rolling comedy wise, mostly because I first needed to lock down, work as a massage therapist and build a steady client roster. Once that was in place, I dove in a stand up with both feet. For the past month, I've been hitting two or three open mics a week and my new set, why Dogs are better than Kids. Playing the hits right there.
- [90:43]
Kyle Ceruti
Right.
- [90:45]
Ryan Rysillo
That's a winner. We just ranked Dogs and Kids on Monday show, so yeah, it's going over surprisingly well though based on the podcast comments, I'm not sure Saruti would be a fan. The whole experience has been amazing. Networking, the shows, the standup drug. Honestly, if anyone listening has something they've always wanted to do, I can confirm do it doesn't matter how old you are. You know what, let's give this guy some love. I posted my 5 minute set on Instagram and threads at. Well, wait, does he. I. I honestly think he's fine with this. If he's trying to get a little, little shine out of.
- [91:21]
Kyle Ceruti
Is he fishing for a repost? Is that what.
- [91:23]
Wargon
Yeah, I think he's looking.
- [91:24]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah.
- [91:25]
Wargon
No, but I mean it's just a shout out.
- [91:26]
Ryan Rysillo
We're just so used to never sharing any information and going out of our way.
- [91:30]
Kyle Ceruti
But I. Shrouded in secrecy.
- [91:33]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, but I think if this guy's a stand up comic, like why not? Right? So Ark Kosek, that's Mark the Normal way K O S S E K. If you're curious and feel judgy, don't worry. You will now be judged, man. All right, Completely different note. Months ago, a listener asked you guys about what bed size works best for apartments. I know. The debate got resolved, but there was one option. I didn't hear you mention adult bunk beds. You're right, we didn't mention that.
- [91:59]
Kyle Ceruti
Sounds like he's got a new type 5.
- [92:03]
Ryan Rysillo
I didn't even know they existed until recently when my wife and I bought one. A queen over. Queen picks attached. Oh, my God. This guy has adult bunk beds. Huh?
- [92:16]
Kyle Ceruti
I've only ever seen it in stepbrothers where it was like, put together with two by fours and hockey sticks. Like, I can't imagine what it would even look like.
- [92:23]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, yeah.
- [92:24]
Wargon
Although, queens, you don't have a lot of room for activities if you got two queens.
- [92:27]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah.
- [92:28]
Ryan Rysillo
Our king was eating up the whole room, so we joked about bunk beds, then found out they're real. Six weeks in, best sleep of our lives. She takes the top bunk, I take the bottom. The dogs insist. And yes, plenty of space for all the usual fun stuff. Sex. Yeah. Bonus. New things to grab onto if things get a bit overly rambunctious. Now, Kyle, you're right. This is open or is closed.
- [92:51]
Wargon
Yeah, this is good.
- [92:51]
Kyle Ceruti
Come on, nobody's doing that. Search your life for material. You've got a treasure trove. I just don't. The whole reason you get bunk beds would be to, like, if you don't have enough room for two people to sleep, you've got adult sized bunk beds. There's. There is enough room for two people to sleep.
- [93:08]
Wargon
Let me say this though.
- [93:10]
Ryan Rysillo
Just want to say thanks for the podcast. Anyway, surprisingly solid advice givers. Thanks. Wishing you continued success. Okay. Yeah.
- [93:20]
Wargon
Wait, did he say how big he. How big is he? Did he give height weight at the beginning again? Because the only reason I asked because, like, you know, we have a.
- [93:25]
Ryan Rysillo
Maybe we can find his old email.
- [93:27]
Wargon
We have a king and I've just, you know, I'm 5 10. My wife is, you know, 5 4, 5, 5. So, I mean, we're not like big people, but I feel like I've never. I've never really struggled to have room sleeping in a king.
- [93:39]
Kyle Ceruti
Well, he said the king was eating up the room. It didn't say that.
- [93:42]
Ryan Rysillo
It was.
- [93:42]
Wargon
Yeah, okay.
- [93:43]
Ryan Rysillo
Small room, by the way. Small room. Yeah.
- [93:46]
Wargon
They have tall ceilings.
- [93:47]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. I don't know.
- [93:49]
Kyle Ceruti
God, I wonder what's standing up. That's like one of those Things you'd hope you'd never have to like. I'm trying to think what another example of like going from a king to something lesser, like after you've been used to it. That's one of the things I would, you know, I'd have trouble with, I think.
- [94:02]
Wargon
But if you're so.
- [94:04]
Ryan Rysillo
I, I think you to Hartford. Okay, all right. I'm just trying to think of something. I'm not saying that's the right one.
- [94:13]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, I mean, that's like a whole life thing, but yeah, okay, sure.
- [94:16]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah.
- [94:17]
Wargon
Well, like, would you guys be like embarrassed to have people like, hey, this is our house, whatever. And you show them and you have the two queen bump beds in your mask. People start asking questions. We don't sleep together anymore. It's not weird. We just don't like to sleep together.
- [94:30]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, I mean we did that like a month ago. About those, you know, the, the old timey, you know, beds, bed by bed. You know, the, the room with the two beds side to side. I guess that's a, I guess a chic version of that. I don't, I don't know.
- [94:43]
Wargon
What's something like that worth too?
- [94:44]
Ryan Rysillo
I feel like it looks really nice. And I do think there should be some sort of movement. I don't know how many years away we are from it, but whoever decided to sleep in the same bed thing, just morons. I mean, we're talking about sod houses in one room cabins, you know, so. I understand then, but you know, we've advanced in a bunch of areas as a society and I think you should normalize people sleeping in separate beds.
- [95:10]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, sure.
- [95:11]
Ryan Rysillo
This guy might be onto something.
- [95:13]
Kyle Ceruti
I like farting in bed at night. Can't do it anymore. No big problem.
- [95:18]
Ryan Rysillo
That's a debate. And if that's a whole show. Yeah, I don't want to do it.
- [95:22]
Wargon
I don't subscribe to that.
- [95:23]
Kyle Ceruti
You don't subscribe to not farting in bed, you're saying?
- [95:26]
Wargon
Yeah, I just let it go.
- [95:28]
Kyle Ceruti
I did that. I can't even say it. I can't say it. Let's get another email.
- [95:32]
Ryan Rysillo
I've said any nums?
- [95:33]
Kyle Ceruti
I've shared enough.
- [95:35]
Ryan Rysillo
This guy's 61217. We're able to find the email 612. Okay, I was not familiar with your frame.
- [95:44]
Wargon
That's a lot of room for a solo queen guy.
- [95:46]
Ryan Rysillo
Six one. Yeah, good for you. Okay, another update. Are we going to do just updates today? No, we've got a couple. We just have time. So let's use it for Kyle. Long story about my wife came home with a bunny that was the runt of the litter and getting picked on by an older sibling at her parents home. She and the kids absolutely love it. And to my surprise, none of our three dogs bother it because I think it freaks them out. Anyway. Anyway, it's freaks me out too, man. If one dies, are you going to tell us?
- [96:19]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, I'll tell you.
- [96:20]
Ryan Rysillo
Okay.
- [96:22]
Wargon
Maybe all the time later.
- [96:23]
Kyle Ceruti
Probably text you first.
- [96:25]
Wargon
Dude, honestly, you'll never like the celebration emoji.
- [96:29]
Kyle Ceruti
You'll never.
- [96:30]
Ryan Rysillo
12. How many do you have? 12.
- [96:32]
Kyle Ceruti
We're down to four. We're down to four.
- [96:34]
Ryan Rysillo
Maybe we could do some sort of graphic where like it's the four bunnies and then you know, heaven forbid we lose one and then it's. We have a graphic come up and then one of the bunnies just turns like gray slowly fades off.
- [96:45]
Wargon
Yeah, like infinity stones or infinity war style.
- [96:48]
Ryan Rysillo
Get graphics people on that. Anyway, it is in the home in a two story bunny house and not going anywhere. My question is, would you travel with a bunny? The kids have fall break soon. We'd likely get a cabin to just enjoy nature or fall break already just. This is unbelievable dynamic here for the school. Get some kayaking in some hiking. My wife is wanting to take the bunny in a pet carrier stay with us. But when we get there, it will want to be loose like it is in our house. It seems like a pain and even though it has a litter box, it doesn't use it all the time. And the messes are tiny and easy to clean. But we have a large main floor that's all tile. These cabins typically have really old hardwood floors. So I don't want to get fined for potentially making spots on these floors or risking it getting out in the wild. The question is, do you vacation with rabbits?
- [97:36]
Kyle Ceruti
Your mind guy? No, no, I. I'd bring a buddy to the cabin to lose it. That's what I'd do.
- [97:42]
Ryan Rysillo
But no, I should let these guys out, stretch their legs.
- [97:47]
Kyle Ceruti
Seems like the only humane option.
- [97:50]
Ryan Rysillo
Okay. No, we should all be enjoying the outdoors, right? I think the rabbit in the car, depending on how long the ride is, you're just signing up for an awful, awful time. So this to me is a no. And you're right. Like, imagine if the place you're renting was like, yep, three kids, really cool. Ben, a rabbit. Who says yes to that? Yeah, like, oh yeah, cool. Totally. I'm psyched you're bringing a rabbit. Let it, let it run around our house. Right.
- [98:18]
Kyle Ceruti
Sure. It won't destroy any of the wood fixtures that we've spent making this rustic cabin inviting. I'm sure everything will. Just the way we left it.
- [98:26]
Wargon
How often, Kyle, are the rabbits, like, out of the cage when you're around? Are they?
- [98:30]
Brad Inglesby
Most.
- [98:30]
Ryan Rysillo
Almost never.
- [98:31]
Kyle Ceruti
But I tell you what. Last night, I was, like, getting myself ready for bed, and my wife just throws this rabbit on the bed. Immediately, my throat starts getting itchy. I'm doing that thing I just left. I watched Silicon Valley on the couch for, like, two hours and came back when I felt like it was safe.
- [98:48]
Wargon
I'm not trying to get between you and the missus, but, like, if you're. If she's able to do that to you, I feel like you should be able to fart in the bed. Like, that feels like a good compromise. I'm gonna be honest.
- [98:57]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, me too. But I guess I'll say it. I farted, like, into her the other night. We were like. We were like butt to butt, and it just, like, totally traveled. And I was even. She, like. I thought she was asleep, and she immediately got up. It was like, what the hell was that, man?
- [99:09]
Wargon
It's like.
- [99:09]
Kyle Ceruti
I'm so sorry.
- [99:12]
Wargon
Yes.
- [99:13]
Kyle Ceruti
I wasn't gonna say. I think we're back to zero. We're even. I think that was.
- [99:18]
Wargon
That's fair.
- [99:19]
Kyle Ceruti
Anyway.
- [99:21]
Ryan Rysillo
We have another. I guess that was technically an advice one, but. Well, this guy's double header.
- [99:28]
Wargon
Go ahead real quick, because I'm. You know, I only asked about the cage thing because, like, yeah, I thought rabbits are kind of mostly supposed to stay in the cage, and if this one's just kind of out and about, especially with three dogs, that kind of, like, blows my mind. But speaking of Instagram content that I don't know where it's coming from. There's, like, a ton of people who just have, like.
- [99:45]
Ryan Rysillo
Like.
- [99:46]
Wargon
Like wild animals as pets. Like, have you seen this? Like, I saw. There's this one girl, she did this video where she's trying to, like, show her morning routine, and she's got, like, three little monkeys that just live with her. And I'm like, how is this legal? And she's, like, putting her coffee together, and she has to put her hand over everything because the monkeys just put their hands and stuff. And I'm like, why did you. This is. Why did you choose this? This sounds miserable. You can't do anything. You can't leave containers open again. Are they even legal? They're like lemurs. I don't even know what kind of monkey.
- [100:12]
Kyle Ceruti
They are state by state, I think.
- [100:14]
Wargon
And it's just like that sounds like.
- [100:17]
Kyle Ceruti
And.
- [100:17]
Wargon
And again, people have like pet alligators and I'm just. I've seen all this content on Instagram. I'm just wondering like, what is this like a new thing where people just get crazy animals to start Instagram accounts? Probably.
- [100:28]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah.
- [100:28]
Kyle Ceruti
It will probably pay for itself with the, you know, probably would if you. If you could stick with it long enough.
- [100:35]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. It's looking like it's a state to state thing. So it sounds like. Did you guys look into do it?
- [100:41]
Wargon
I have enough animals to know. Again, cat, not a cat guy.
- [100:47]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. So we're looking at 14 states for monkeys monkeying. Yeah.
- [100:56]
Kyle Ceruti
Is Florida on the list?
- [100:59]
Ryan Rysillo
No. Wow. There's four states. You can just get one.
- [101:05]
Kyle Ceruti
No documentation. You don't even need to do like the SPCA register.
- [101:09]
Ryan Rysillo
Okay. The other 10 states you need a permit. Ceruti, you can get one in Connecticut if you get a permit.
- [101:16]
Wargon
I think I'm good, thanks.
- [101:18]
Kyle Ceruti
Well, if you don't want anymore, maybe.
- [101:21]
Ryan Rysillo
I'm just kidding. Kind of surprises me. The Montana, you can't just get a monkey.
- [101:26]
Wargon
I feel like there.
- [101:27]
Trey McBride
You can't.
- [101:28]
Wargon
There are no rules. No. Who's going to check in on you?
- [101:29]
Ryan Rysillo
You know, North Dakota permit, South Dakota permit, Wyoming permit. Nebraska, no permit. Kansas, permit. Oklahoma, no permit. Texas just a hard no. Hmm. Like why would Mississippi be a permit state in Louisiana be like. No. No way.
- [101:49]
Wargon
Like did that. Did that lady that got her face ripped off by the. Was it an orangutan? Like, was that. That was a pet, right? That some of somebody else's pet? I think it's like, I don't.
- [101:58]
Kyle Ceruti
I thought it was her own pet.
- [101:59]
Wargon
Maybe it was her own pet.
- [102:00]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. If anybody's interested, pet Monkey. Legal States 2025 Again, those are new.
- [102:07]
Kyle Ceruti
New pieces.com or what.org.
- [102:11]
Ryan Rysillo
No, it's a different. But it's just the first thing that came up. I like how Connecticut was like, sure, if you live in New England. Want to own a monkey? Where your place, your spot? Yeah. You don't see that a lot.
- [102:23]
Brad Inglesby
Lot.
- [102:24]
Wargon
We got pizza and monkey availability.
- [102:28]
Ryan Rysillo
But a permit. Yeah. West Virginia is. West Virginia is a permit. Yeah.
- [102:37]
Kyle Ceruti
How would they even know?
- [102:39]
Ryan Rysillo
Tighten it up down there.
- [102:40]
Wargon
Apparently again, if you're looking for exotic, apparently foxes are trying to become domesticated.
- [102:45]
Ryan Rysillo
They're like trying.
- [102:47]
Wargon
Yeah. They're like looking at what dogs trying.
- [102:48]
Kyle Ceruti
To get in the house.
- [102:49]
Wargon
Like, hey, this sounds like a pretty good gig. Like how do we. At like 10, you know, 100,000 years of evolution.
- [102:55]
Trey McBride
We.
- [102:55]
Wargon
We're pretty far behind, but we can.
- [102:56]
Kyle Ceruti
Catch that H Vac over there.
- [102:57]
Wargon
Yeah, give it a shot.
- [103:03]
Kyle Ceruti
I can't believe some of those F1 cats. Yeah, we can move on. I just like some of those F1 cats where it's like. Like one generation from being like, those Savannah cats. I mean, those things are terrifying. Very cool, though.
- [103:15]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, I don't. I don't have the permit data on that. I'll look in into it for Friday's show. Here we go. Dating in the age of hat fishing. Hi, guys. Hope I made it in time for ladies week. We're just reading it. 23, 5, 10, 165. No gym stats. Just a casual runner. Nothing to consult Oregon about. Okay, longtime life advice listener, shout out to my ex, Charlie, for putting me onto the show. We're cool. And he still listens. All right, thanks, Charlie. Who knows? Who knows what this email could do? I'll keep it short and sweet. As a single lady on the lookout, I've definitely got my radar up for hat fishing. Urban Dictionary definition of needed. Hat fishing is a practice for a man purposely to sees a potential romantic partner by wearing a hat on every day to hide his rapidly receding hairline. My friends and I joke about it all the time, but it's now become real. I'm currently seeing a new guy, and we're on hangout number three, and the hat still hasn't come off. So you've never seen him? He hasn't, like, taken the hat off to readjust.
- [104:12]
Kyle Ceruti
You don't even know the shape of his dome. That's crazy.
- [104:15]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, the edges look promising.
- [104:19]
Kyle Ceruti
A little something to be desired.
- [104:22]
Ryan Rysillo
I remember back in the wild, just sitting at a table with some girls, and I was with some buddies and just chatted up, and I had a hat on, but I just like wearing hats, I don't think. I mean, at this point, the gig is sort of up. And she. One of the girls was like, wait, you're not bald, are you? And I was like. And I. I wasn't. I didn't have a shaved head then. And I just took the hat off, and she was like, oh, thank God. Well, you know, it's too dark in there to notice.
- [104:48]
Wargon
That's, like, insane divot.
- [104:50]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. Yeah. But it was just funny because my buddy was just dying laughing that you took your hat off with, like, full confidence, like nothing was wrong. And she was like, oh, my God. She's like. I just hate to say it that way. She's like just. She's just like. I was like, whatever.
- [105:07]
Kyle Ceruti
Half Fishing is a great name.
- [105:08]
Ryan Rysillo
I like that.
- [105:09]
Wargon
It is a good name.
- [105:10]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. I don't like, I don't.
- [105:11]
Kyle Ceruti
When I learned about Man Spreading, I was like, that's ridiculous. But also great name. Hilarious name.
- [105:16]
Ryan Rysillo
Actually, Man Spreading is a good one. Hilarious name man sp. Explaining, I think went a little too far.
- [105:24]
Kyle Ceruti
Right?
- [105:24]
Ryan Rysillo
Like I'm just giving you directions. See here? Yeah. I don't know, I'm kind of on her side. I mean, if it's something that's important, we all have things that are important, not important. I. It sounds like this guy's hiding something. To be clear, I'm not here judging a man by his hair alone, but at a certain point I'd like to see the full picture. But think before things get serious. Here's my dilemma. Is there a smooth, non awkward way to ask a man to take off his hat or am I doomed to wait until it comes off naturally? Possibly months down the line, dude. Months?
- [105:56]
Wargon
Yeah, I just picture like, like as your option just to like invite him back to the house, you know, obviously a little hookup time and like he takes off all of his clothes except for his hat. He's like ready to go.
- [106:07]
Kyle Ceruti
You could do one. Remember those like rom com scenes where like they open the door and they like maul each other and the next first thing she just goes for the hat, pushes it off. Like, like, like an offensive guard just like getting.
- [106:17]
Trey McBride
Whoa.
- [106:18]
Wargon
Yeah.
- [106:19]
Ryan Rysillo
She says, I don't mind hair or no hair. I just want to a complete overview and a glimpse of the whole head before I commit. Trusting the pod counsel to guide me through this. You're right. I mean if, if it's still on and he says, I just love the Dodgers.
- [106:35]
Kyle Ceruti
Well, let me ask this. Like, would it be crazy for three dates if you haven't seen a girl without makeup yet? Would that be crazy?
- [106:43]
Ryan Rysillo
No.
- [106:44]
Wargon
No.
- [106:44]
Kyle Ceruti
Okay.
- [106:44]
Ryan Rysillo
Not at all. All right.
- [106:45]
Kyle Ceruti
Well, there's. There's kind of, you know, know, beards and hats is kind of what dudes have, right? It's really. Those are our two things.
- [106:53]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, but the beard is like. If the guy has a beard, he's going to have a beard. True.
- [107:01]
Wargon
I mean, is there just a place you can go where you literally cannot wear a hat?
- [107:05]
Ryan Rysillo
I think the swim date is exactly it. But now we get to worry about climbing a little late.
- [107:09]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, you're getting a little late.
- [107:12]
Wargon
When people. It's like a, like a bald cat, like a swimming cap on. He's like, I take This. I take this really serious.
- [107:21]
Kyle Ceruti
What about, like, some malls have those, like, those big fan rooms where you can, like, fake like you're skydiving. What about that? You got a big, Big, like, tri state mall near you? That'd be maybe.
- [107:31]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. Roller coaster, something like that.
- [107:32]
Wargon
Go to Six Flags, bungee.
- [107:34]
Kyle Ceruti
Bungee jump thing. Like, obviously you don't have to jump off a bridge, but there's the ones where you can, like, do it when you're, like, on a trampoline or something. Something where the hat is a bad idea. Would be disappointing if he somehow pulled off keeping a hat on during one of those things. So, like, damn.
- [107:49]
Ryan Rysillo
What if he has, like, lightning bolt tattoos and he just was like, I was super into corn for a while there. I don't know if she has any male friends, but maybe the next time they go out, she can say, like, can you just go up and start some shit with this guy and, like, slap his hat off and be like, you got. You want to go, loser? Then you could see how he handles a tense situation. One if he's protective, and then you'll see him without passing hat. Yeah, that seems like a lot, though.
- [108:14]
Kyle Ceruti
Here we go. Here we go. I got it. Buy him a hat.
- [108:18]
Wargon
He's got to.
- [108:18]
Kyle Ceruti
He's got to do a switch.
- [108:20]
Ryan Rysillo
If his IQ's remotely above average, he's gonna know.
- [108:25]
Kyle Ceruti
No.
- [108:25]
Ryan Rysillo
What? Try it on.
- [108:27]
Kyle Ceruti
Right? We're early on. We're early on in the dating. He doesn't want to be, like, weird about it. Like, he. You cle. You got him a gift. He probably likes the idea of it.
- [108:37]
Ryan Rysillo
You.
- [108:37]
Kyle Ceruti
You. You want to see him put it on. I don't know.
- [108:41]
Ryan Rysillo
She has a right to know, man. Yeah. Just like, I'd want to know if, you know, eventually you're going to want.
- [108:51]
Trey McBride
To know some stuff.
- [108:52]
Ryan Rysillo
And I think wanting to know whether or not. And she's even saying it doesn't matter either way, but her wanting to know whether this guy's get just, you know, website under construction situation going on up there. There.
- [109:04]
Trey McBride
I think that's.
- [109:05]
Wargon
Yeah. It's the same way if, like, if you went on a date with a girl and she was just wearing, like, a puffer coat jacket the whole time, you have no idea what you're looking at. You know, she just never takes her jacket off. Like, it's not like it's a deal breaker, but it's like, yeah, I'd like to actually figure out what's going on here.
- [109:21]
Kyle Ceruti
I thought the makeup was good enough.
- [109:23]
Trey McBride
All right.
- [109:24]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. Puffer would be.
- [109:27]
Wargon
It's like it's hot inside.
- [109:29]
Ryan Rysillo
I think you would know then, though, because then you would just go, okay, yeah, ridiculous.
- [109:33]
Kyle Ceruti
Well, Ryan, you just said just like, I'd like to know if. And then you stop. What would it be?
- [109:37]
Ryan Rysillo
That.
- [109:38]
Kyle Ceruti
What would the version for you be?
- [109:45]
Ryan Rysillo
I. I don't even necessarily have something specific. Okay.
- [109:48]
Kyle Ceruti
I don't.
- [109:49]
Ryan Rysillo
I just don't like how we're supposed to pretend that any of this is, like, shallow when we like what we like can. There's things we don't like and it's. It's okay. So.
- [110:01]
Wargon
Yeah. Subjective. Exactly.
- [110:03]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. Like, trust me, I know. When I can tell, it's like, all right, you know, this girl wants some Legends of the Fall deal. It's not going to work out for me, Brad. Pit. Yep. Okay. I guess we still have time. Here's just a random one. Do you guys think the three of you. Oh, the four of you. So that's me, Kyle Serdi, and Wargon. Misspelling. But it's great. Could tackle Derrick Henry while he was running in the open field.
- [110:38]
Wargon
I think so Midfield.
- [110:40]
Ryan Rysillo
No way.
- [110:41]
Wargon
If all four of us are like a unit and he's running at us.
- [110:45]
Ryan Rysillo
Coached.
- [110:47]
Kyle Ceruti
So maybe we set. We could sacrifice Ceruti at and. And Worgon, like, head on and we just try to grab a. An ankle each. But I don't know. I wouldn't. I wouldn't put a fanduel bet on that. This is.
- [110:58]
Wargon
This is similar to the. To the gorilla thing. In a hundred guys, it's like one of us, probably two of us are going to have to really take a beating. Initially.
- [111:06]
Kyle Ceruti
I think it's you and Worgon. I think you have to face him head on. And then Ryan and I both focus.
- [111:10]
Wargon
We would do the least damage. I feel like.
- [111:12]
Kyle Ceruti
Well, I know, but I think what we're. We're the real actual.
- [111:14]
Ryan Rysillo
Just muck up a little.
- [111:16]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, yeah.
- [111:17]
Wargon
Just like throw yourself at his legs and see if you can slow him down slightly.
- [111:20]
Kyle Ceruti
I think if we each really focused on one, like, leg and we could both, I think. Yeah. And I think if you. If we just know where he's going to be headed because you guys are the, you know, in his. In his, like, line of sight. But I don't know. I'm not very confident about it.
- [111:34]
Wargon
So, like, the scenario is, like, where the linebacker is, right? He gets through the line and it's just the four of us versus him. Because I see, like, a lot of those guys. Guys, you know, they're Running side by side with him and he's just got the stiff arm going. If that's the case, there's zero chance. Like I'm not keeping up with him. I'm not certainly going to get a hands on him if he can stiff army. But if we're running, he's running at us and we're running at him and it's just 4v1. Like we. Yeah, we could probably just be bowling. Two of us could be, you know, like, like bowling balls to his bowling pin and try to just trip him up a little bit so you guys could jump on his back and maybe do something.
- [112:04]
Jonathan Frius
You're saying this is like an Oklahoma drill and we're just waiting?
- [112:07]
Wargon
Yeah, that's a good ass. Like no go home, Madrid.
- [112:08]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, well, it's sort of like a car, right? You, if you're, you have to be running too. Otherwise if you're going to get more hurt. So you got to, you know, you should be going top speed, buddy. But I'm just saying, I think, I think the two larger of the four dudes should be probably going one, one leg each. But other than that, like I certainly wouldn't jump on his back. I feel like that would be a recipe for disaster.
- [112:26]
Wargon
You would just carry it for a while.
- [112:28]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, yeah. Maybe coordinated. But we'd have to want it and I don't know that the four of us wanted about it.
- [112:35]
Kyle Ceruti
You have thoughts on this workout or what? You got your camera run?
- [112:38]
Jonathan Frius
I think we could do it.
- [112:40]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah.
- [112:41]
Brad Inglesby
Yeah.
- [112:41]
Kyle Ceruti
Wow.
- [112:41]
Jonathan Frius
We'd all go low though, so it's like half of us are probably just going to miss. Yeah.
- [112:46]
Wargon
Do we get one try?
- [112:48]
Kyle Ceruti
I mean, yeah, it's an open field thing, right? I mean it would be like because.
- [112:52]
Wargon
Yeah. There's always the case that we just.
- [112:53]
Kyle Ceruti
For a hundred thousand dollars. Derek Henry in the open field.
- [112:57]
Ryan Rysillo
Now look, if it was him standing five feet, well, let's just say five yards, right. It gives it Derrick Henry with a head of speed getting up to 21 miles an hour. And like open field.
- [113:09]
Kyle Ceruti
Yes, I think so.
- [113:10]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. Open field, like that's what I'm thinking of is like he's got this 20 yard head start towards us and he has his agility. I mean he's knocking over, I mean bishop that safety. Like maybe I'm the same. I don't know what he weighs. So I would say that my weight or whatever he's flicking the guys my size away and they're half my age and also pro athletes. So there's that part of It. So if he has a head start, I think there's like, no chance. If you said, okay, he has to start 5 yards in front of us and we're well coached.
- [113:44]
Wargon
That's what I'm thinking.
- [113:46]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah.
- [113:47]
Kyle Ceruti
We're just different guys.
- [113:51]
Wargon
Yeah. I think that's the scenario. I'm thinking. Yeah. If. Certainly if he gets like. If it's a kickoff and we're like running down on kickoff, the four of us, like, there's zero a chance.
- [113:59]
Ryan Rysillo
But we're not. We're going to break contained. We're not going to.
- [114:04]
Wargon
Who's the wedge buster? No one. No, but if it's. Yeah, but if it's just like, hey, five yards in front of you and the four of us are here, like, let's. I think there's a shot. I do.
- [114:16]
Kyle Ceruti
Cool.
- [114:17]
Wargon
There's no way anyone in the audience thinks that we have a shot, though.
- [114:20]
Ryan Rysillo
No, no, no. I think I'm the least hopeful.
- [114:24]
Wargon
That's the biggest dude.
- [114:26]
Ryan Rysillo
No, Kyle's bigger than I am.
- [114:27]
Wargon
Yeah.
- [114:27]
Kyle Ceruti
You see more than all of us.
- [114:29]
Jonathan Frius
So you know Kyle's defensive player of the week that one time, though.
- [114:32]
Wargon
Yeah, that was.
- [114:32]
Jonathan Frius
I like your odds with that.
- [114:34]
Ryan Rysillo
Thank you. Worgon. What do you think you would try to do?
- [114:39]
Kyle Ceruti
Just.
- [114:40]
Ryan Rysillo
Would you be okay if it's like, hey, you're going first and you're. Yeah, yeah, I'd be okay with that.
- [114:45]
Jonathan Frius
I'd be okay with that.
- [114:46]
Kyle Ceruti
There's a cash prize. If there's no cash prize, you're out. Right. But we're talking.
- [114:49]
Jonathan Frius
I think I still do it.
- [114:50]
Kyle Ceruti
Life changing money, maybe.
- [114:51]
Jonathan Frius
I did a story in college where I just had the Penn State middle linebacker tackle me.
- [114:56]
Wargon
I think I saw that video. I think you sent that to me.
- [114:58]
Brad Inglesby
Yeah.
- [114:59]
Ryan Rysillo
What was his name?
- [115:00]
Brad Inglesby
Michael.
- [115:02]
Jonathan Frius
He got drafted by the Dolphins.
- [115:03]
Ryan Rysillo
He was on the pitch. So you were a real journalist back in the day.
- [115:08]
Kyle Ceruti
Oh, yeah.
- [115:08]
Jonathan Frius
Hard hitting. It was just like. It was just like a profile on him. It was right before draft weekend. And I was like, it'd be cool if my standup was just like talking. And then he just tackles me. I put a GoPro on him.
- [115:22]
Brad Inglesby
I can send that out.
- [115:24]
Ryan Rysillo
Did you send that resume tape out?
- [115:26]
Jonathan Frius
Yeah, it's on the reel. It's on the demo reel.
- [115:28]
Kyle Ceruti
Did you set up some mats that you got tackled into or were you just.
- [115:31]
Jonathan Frius
He made me set up the mats. He wouldn't do it if I didn't set up mats.
- [115:34]
Kyle Ceruti
Okay. Did he have a talent on or no?
- [115:36]
Ryan Rysillo
No. Did it hurt?
- [115:39]
Jonathan Frius
It hurt a little bit. I Had a bit of bruising, but it's not like, not crazy.
- [115:45]
Kyle Ceruti
Did you guys more of a rap than a. Than a like, shoulder tackle, Right? More of a classic tackle.
- [115:49]
Ryan Rysillo
Tackle. Yeah.
- [115:50]
Jonathan Frius
Good form.
- [115:51]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah.
- [115:52]
Ryan Rysillo
Were you guys good friends and you get invited all the cool football parties after for the rest of your college life?
- [115:56]
Jonathan Frius
We weren't good friends. We met at the bar. We were just like doing shots together. And I was like, hey, dude, how about this cool story? He's like, whatever.
- [116:05]
Kyle Ceruti
Have you heard of an Italian martini?
- [116:09]
Ryan Rysillo
So wait, Wargon.
- [116:10]
Kyle Ceruti
I don't.
- [116:13]
Ryan Rysillo
Initially the plan on it Air tv.
- [116:18]
Kyle Ceruti
No.
- [116:19]
Jonathan Frius
I always wanted to be behind the scenes. That was always like the goal. But this was like I was taking a class that was basically just like a newscast. So I pitched the story. I did it.
- [116:32]
Kyle Ceruti
Yeah, you did.
- [116:33]
Jonathan Frius
Oh, I. That was a joke of a class. Everybody got an A. Yeah.
- [116:38]
Wargon
The comms degree is.
- [116:39]
Jonathan Frius
You showed up and participated. You were getting an A shout out.
- [116:41]
Kyle Ceruti
Penn State.
- [116:42]
Jonathan Frius
Hell yeah.
- [116:44]
Ryan Rysillo
That's not the Penn State standard.
- [116:45]
Kyle Ceruti
I found a couple of those classes over at Potsdam. I'll tell you, I sniffed those out.
- [116:49]
Jonathan Frius
I had one. It was on like, the History of Africa. It was all online.
- [116:53]
Kyle Ceruti
Rhetoric of the Black Church. That was my. That was my joint right there. Rhetoric of the Black Church.
- [116:57]
Brad Inglesby
Every test.
- [116:57]
Jonathan Frius
We had one test a week. The answer was always D. Every single question.
- [117:01]
Brad Inglesby
D what?
- [117:02]
Ryan Rysillo
Come on.
- [117:02]
Jonathan Frius
And so I've got. I've got 100. Obviously you're one of the classes.
- [117:05]
Wargon
One of those athlete classes. That's what happened.
- [117:07]
Jonathan Frius
It was one of the athlete classes. I forgot to take the five final, so I ended up with a C in the class.
- [117:11]
Kyle Ceruti
That's crazy.
- [117:12]
Ryan Rysillo
How do you forget to take the final?
- [117:13]
Jonathan Frius
They made it do Wednesday of finals week. I figured I had till Sunday.
- [117:18]
Ryan Rysillo
Wow.
- [117:19]
Kyle Ceruti
Well, you could have just put down 20Ds and you've been done.
- [117:22]
Jonathan Frius
I could have. I just never did.
- [117:23]
Ryan Rysillo
Okay. All right. And everybody knew but me, apparently.
- [117:29]
Wargon
Well, you knew the answers. You just didn't know the timing.
- [117:32]
Jonathan Frius
Exactly.
- [117:33]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah, just call the guy and be like, can I take it right now over the phone? Well, you don't have to email the.
- [117:39]
Jonathan Frius
Professor at like 1.
- [117:40]
Ryan Rysillo
Feel good about it.
- [117:41]
Jonathan Frius
Emailed the professor at like 1am no go.
- [117:47]
Ryan Rysillo
I used to love asking for extensions college. I mean, instead of just doing it. Yeah, Just going, hey, deal with some stuff.
- [117:57]
Wargon
I have this reoccurring dream that I have that I have this paper due that I just have not written yet. And it's always due like the next day.
- [118:04]
Ryan Rysillo
Day.
- [118:04]
Wargon
I've had this job. I haven't been in college since, What, I graduated 2010. It's been 15 years. And I. I wake up and I'm like. I, like, I'm like, in a. You know, I'm sweating and I'm like, damn it, I gotta figure this thing out. I'm like, wait, Everybody has. You're 37 years old.
- [118:18]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. It doesn't go away.
- [118:19]
Wargon
It's crazy.
- [118:20]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah. I don't know. I started trying to figure out a way to, like, have the dream stop. I was like, do I go back and get a master's degree or something and do well and study? You know? Because now I think I'm a little more buttoned up, obviously. Like, is there a way? Like, why are you really passionate about. You want to get a law degree? No, I want to stop having the dreams.
- [118:39]
Kyle Ceruti
You try spicy ramen before bed? I've been fine these last two nights.
- [118:42]
Jonathan Frius
And after bed, it sounds like morning and night.
- [118:46]
Wargon
Yeah.
- [118:46]
Ryan Rysillo
Yeah.
- [118:48]
Kyle Ceruti
Okay.
- [118:48]
Ryan Rysillo
That'll do it for the show today. Thanks to Ceruti Wargon. Kyle Jonathan Frius. We are a video podcast in the Spotify app and of course, on YouTube as well. Ryan Versillo podcast, Ring of Spotify they.
- [118:59]
Jonathan Frius
Were gonna name me Michael Jordan. My dad was like, I don't think he can live up to it. So they named me Michael J.
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Ryan Rysillo
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