Chiefs, Bucs, and Drake Maye Are Big Winners. Plus, Danny Kanell on Penn State’s Overreaction, Indiana’s Biggest Win, and the SEC’s Problem.

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The Ryen Russillo Podcast — October 13, 2025

Episode Theme:
"Chiefs, Bucs, and Drake Maye Are Big Winners. Plus, Danny Kanell on Penn State’s Overreaction, Indiana’s Biggest Win, and the SEC’s Problem."

This episode delivers comprehensive takes on the weekend’s biggest NFL and college football stories. Ryen kicks things off with a breakdown of statement wins by Kansas City, Tampa Bay, and New England’s rookie QB Drake Maye, followed by a deep-dive into college football’s shifting landscape alongside Danny Kanell. They debate Indiana’s program-defining victory, question conference supremacy, and break down the Penn State coaching drama. The show wraps with Ryen's signature “Life Advice” segment, including an epic tale of a grief-stricken grandpa gone wild.

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NFL Week 6: The Big Winners and Takeaways

Kansas City Chiefs Dominate Detroit

• [00:12] Ryen starts by identifying the Chiefs’ 30-17 win over Detroit as "the best win" of the weekend. He underlines that Detroit was averaging 40 points per game in the previous four yet was held to 17 by KC's improving defense.
• Credits Mahomes: “I can't believe anybody talks about the NFL and thinks anyone plays this position better than this guy.” [02:51]
• Notes KC’s resilience — reminds us that even during their 2021 AFC title loss season, they started 3-4.
• Praises Chiefs’ emerging weapons: Worthy, Hollywood Brown, Smith (rookie RB), and gets Rice back after suspension.

Concerns for Detroit

• Significant injuries in the secondary (Reed, Arnold, Kirby, Branch), leading to major coverage problems.
• Branch’s postgame frustration resulted in a fight.

Bucks' Statement Over San Francisco

• Tampa beating SF is “honorable mention," not as impressive as KC’s win, but important for playoff seeding and breaking the Niners’ mental edge.
• Ryen details Baker Mayfield’s clutch moments:
  • “Heisman moment, third and 14, up 20 to 19… runs for 15 before hitting Tez Johnson for 45-yard TD.” [05:23]
• Immortal quote from Tez Johnson (on MVP chants, [06:05]):
  • “When I scored and I hit MVP, MVP chant, I’m thinking they talking about me…So I asked Shep, like, Shep, they was chanting MVP, and he was like, ‘Yeah.’ I was like, ‘I ain’t do nothing this year.’ And then he was like, ‘They talking about Baker, Tez.’ And I was like, ‘Well, that explains it. But he is the MVP.’”

Drake Maye Shines for New England

• Ryen goes deep on rookie Drake Maye’s poise, arm, and decision making.
  • “The ball is not thrown from Drake Maye’s hands. It ejects out of his hands.” [09:02]
• Dissects key throws: third-and-17 and third-and-27 conversions, and a first-down play where Maye “is so calm back there… he’s not being sped up.”
• Maye: first Pats QB since Brady (2011) with 100+ rating, 200+ yards, and positive EPA in a game.

Quarterback Draft Class Musings

• Ryen riffs on recency bias: Is Maye now the best of the '24 class? Injuries to Jayden Daniels. J.J. McCarthy’s moxie. Wonders about teams "pulling the plug" on rookie QBs for next generational prospects.

Rapid-Fire NFL Losers & Numbers

• No catastrophic “worst loss” but points out Dallas’s thrashing by Carolina’s emergent ground game.
• Arizona’s collapse to Miami stings, as does the ongoing Jets/Fields debacle (calls Fields’ contract “a stupid, stupid deal”).
• Herbert’s heroics for LAC despite O-line struggles.
• Fun with stats: “Teams are averaging 1.8 flea-flickers per week. I don’t think that’s real, but that’s what it seems like.” [16:44]

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College Football Deep Dive with Danny Kanell

Florida State Meltdown & Patience for Norvell

• [19:09] Danny addresses the Noles’ collapse: “One of the hardest questions to answer is how does that team that was so good against Alabama all of a sudden lose three games in a row? It’s inexplicable. It’s frustrating.”
• Points: FSU’s lost to Duke, FCS opponent, end of ACC win streak.
• Defense is the biggest letdown; “Offense has delivered… Defense has been the most disappointing.”
• Buyout woes: “No idea how Penn State came up with $50 million…FSU’s is more like $60 million.”

Indiana’s Monumental Win Over Oregon

• Ryen insists Indiana’s victory was the best in CFB this year: “To go into a place nobody wins and clearly look like the better team for 60 minutes..." [24:27]
• Danny, on Indiana’s resume: “I think they have the best resume in college football.” [25:57]
• Lauds Coach Kurt Cignetti’s transformational impact, especially in modern NIL/portal era: "Coaching matters more now than it’s ever mattered."

QB Mendoza’s NFL-Caliber Talent

• Ryen highlights Mendoza’s elite throws behind the “special” tag Kanell affixes.
  • “That’s what makes the great players in the NFL elevate… anticipation, all of it is the thing that Mendoza’s got that a lot of guys don’t." [29:27]

The SEC’s "Two-Team" Problem and Power Struggle

• Danny prods: “SEC is getting two teams in. That’s it!” [30:43]
• Dissects top-to-bottom depth, but calls out weakening mid-tier and parity.
• Ryen: “If it’s about titles, they’re in trouble, right? I’m not really blown away by any of those teams.” [33:39]
• Danny: “I think Alabama’s good. Not great. Ty Simpson has elevated… the SEC is the best conference, Big Ten is right behind.”

Conference Strength, Playoff Debates, and The Gap Myth

• Ryen and Danny challenge idea of huge talent gaps between 3-9 ranked teams anymore.
• Ohio State’s consistency, defense, and developing QB Julian Sayin draws praise: “He’s one of the best quarterbacks in the country now.” [40:07]

Coaching Carousel: Penn State Fires Franklin

• [45:41] Ryen on overreaction: "He can recruit like crazy. They must really not like him because I still think this is an overreaction."
• Danny: firing was premature. “Everybody’s so focused on top 10 wins but...it’s a head-scratcher without knowing who you’re going to get next… this is going to be the wildest coaching carousel in 15, 20 years.” [47:00]
• On Cignetti as a candidate: “He’d be a home run hire. I just wonder if Penn State’s going to get the home run hire they think they are.” [51:54]

Texas and Arch Manning’s Maturation

• [53:08] Ryen: “It was a messy, ugly game… but I think people should feel good about Arch maybe for the first time all season.”
• Danny: “I thought you started to see signs of Arch against Florida…It was all about confidence…and I think this could be such a monumental moment for his career.” [53:08]

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Ryen’s College Football Top 12

• Ohio State: Anchored by Sayin, best defense, resume win over Texas.
• Miami: Destructive win over FSU, #2 in AP.
• Indiana: Now dubbed "national title contender." Mendoza’s performance at Oregon makes the case.
• Oregon, A&M, Texas Tech, Alabama, Ole Miss, Georgia, and others filled out, with notes on resume strength, schedule, and key stats (e.g., A&M's defensive 3rd down dominance).

Quote: “If we want to do it, we can sit here for an hour and come to the conclusion no one is actually good in this sport.” [59:27]

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Life Advice: From Apple Cores to Hooker-Enabled Grandpa

Highlights:

Apple Core Misadventures

• Listener keeps tossing apple cores out the wrong window, blames kids. Panel jokes, considers confession or improved tactics.
  • Advice: “Stop doing that…Have better awareness.” [82:22]
  • Ryen stories: “I would say, ‘door is locked’, out loud, just to remind myself. You may need to audibly say, ‘window is open’.” [83:10]

Bend the Knee or Walk Away (Marriage Edition)

• Listener unsure after 4-year relationship, asks when to propose or move on.
  • Ryen: “When it’s a potential marriage thing and you take a break and get back together, the stakes are higher.” [88:12]
  • Group weighs pressure, emotional signs, and the analogy to college decisions.

Grieving Grandpa’s Spiral into Escort Madness

• Listener’s 77-year-old grandpa: dog named after deceased wife, gets catfished, DM’s grandson’s ex, regular at strip clubs, now using family money on escorts.
  • Family debate: intervene or excommunicate?
  • Ceruti: “This could be a real extended rough patch…Find the best grandkid to appeal to his emotional side.”
  • Kyle: “You need to have an intervention. Tell him what the deal is and how destructive his life is becoming…”
  • Ryen: “I have seen the other side…nothing is going to change my mind. But if you excommunicate him, he’s going to be coming back when he’s broke.” [116:56]
  • Final thought: “Hooker allowance, perhaps?”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “It’s just another night with Mahomes. I can’t believe anybody talks about the NFL and thinks anyone plays this position better.” – Ryen Russillo [02:51]
• “That explains it. But he is the MVP.” – Tez Johnson, via Ryen, on crowd MVP chants [06:05]
• “Drake Maye: The ball is not thrown…it ejects out of his hands.” – Ryen Russillo [09:02]
• “SEC is getting two teams in. That’s it.” – Danny Kanell [30:43]
• “I think coaching matters more now than it’s ever mattered.” – Danny Kanell [27:20]
• “Everyone’s acting like 12-0 is easy if you’re really good. It’s not.” – Ryen Russillo [37:01]

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Tone & Style

• Ryen mixes deep football knowledge, wit, and self-deprecation, keeps conversation energetic and data-backed.
• Danny Kanell is analytical, balanced by his FSU roots and willingness to challenge prevailing narratives.
• Banter with co-hosts offers levity and relatability, especially in the Life Advice portion.

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Chiefs’ Win Breakdown: [00:12]–[08:17]
• Drake Maye & Rookie QBs: [08:17]–[13:12]
• NFL Losers, Fun Stats: [13:12]–[19:09]
• FSU’s Slide & Coaching Costs: [19:09]–[24:23]
• Indiana vs Oregon Analysis: [24:23]–[29:27]
• SEC Depth & Power 4 Debate: [30:38]–[34:24]
• Penn State/Franklin Overreaction: [45:36]–[52:26]
• Texas/Arch Manning Growth: [52:26]–[55:09]
• Life Advice (Apple Core Story): [78:10]–[85:49]
• Life Advice (Grandpa Hooker Madness): [99:58]–[119:12]

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Transcript

[Ryan Marcillo]

A lot of football for you on a Monday, which you would expect. So today, make a little history. We're bringing back Danny Cannell. We did not book Danny because Florida State lost again. We did book Danny when Florida State beat Alabama. But the bigger story, of course, is Indiana's incredible win. So we'll go through that. A concerning thing for SEC fans about how that conference is stacked up and I'll go through my top 12 as well. NFL the stuff is back. Things probably getting a little old, but everybody probably feels the best they felt about the Chiefs all season long. We'll go through that. Baker's big win, Drake Mays impressive day. Herbert's impressive throw. Couldn't really find a worse loss. Fun with some numbers and then one banger of a life advice. Enjoy the episode this is the Ryan Marcillo podcast, presented by FanDuel, and if you're betting on the NFL, FanDuel is the place to do it. They've got everything. Same game parlays, quick bets for when you want to jump in live and your way. See you can set your own lines. The app's fast, it's easy to use, and best of all, when you win, you get paid out instantly. Download the FanDuel app or go to FanDuel.com Ryan R Y E N to get started. The Ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available and listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Must be 21 + and present in select states. 18 + in DC, Kentucky and Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800- GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com Call 888-789-7777 or visit CCP g.org chat in Connecticut Week 6 We start with the best win, which was the last game of your Sunday slate. Awesome. Closing one o' clock window, four o' clock window. Little mid double header though. Monday Night Football. It's tough. It's tough to keep track of this stuff. Be locked in on my guy Caleb most likely. Is this for the belt against Jaden Daniels? Probably not. Still some data we'll need to sift through. So the best wins Kansas City. If you beat Detroit, who's in the conversation? The best teams in the NFL and you beat them handily even though it's at home. 30 17. That's the best win and I can't think of anything that's even close to it. Look, all this would feel better if Kansas City were 4 and 2 and it held off Jacksonville on Monday Night Football and not had that kind of disastrous defensive breakdown there at the end. But again, as we talked about with Sando just one week ago, it's like the ball is moving in those spots at a rate that is absurd. Teams are down and they're moving the football. Like we used to always joke about the prevent defense, it prevents you from winning all these different kinds of things. But a lot of times it was like, you know, we want you to run, clock the kicking part of this and how absurd the kicking is getting, how deep you can even attempt to line up on some of these stuff. Well, we had a 67 yard attempt this past weekend. So look, if they weren't 3 and 3 and 4 and 2 maybe feel a little bit better. Maybe none of it really even matters because Worthy's been really good. Hollywood Brown with that huge touchdown. The running looks kind of fierce with different options. Smith, that rookie I really kind of like too. And then they get Rice back after his six game suspension. So they're actually the Chiefs, the eight seed today in the AFC on the outs. But in 21, when they lost the AFC championship game at home. Cincinnati, they did start that season three and four. So look, if there's any team you're like, man, they'll probably figure it out. With the rest of the AFC feeling a lot different less than halfway through the season of like, how many like real nasty contenders are there in this conference? Casey's in a really good spot based on the way they looked last night. Not necessarily based on the record, but you know, again, you going to bet against this team. So Mahomes last three games have been better than the first three games statistically. And this defense held Detroit to 17 points. Alliance team that had scored 40 a game in their last four. The Detroit secondary thing, remember last year with the Lions, you're like, who's left on the depth chart? I think at one point it was like one of the 11 guys on the opening defensive depth chart was still active by the end of the season, which speaks to them losing to the playoffs. So it's not that ridiculous. But the secondary, Reed is out, Arnold's out. Kirby and Branch were both hurt. Branch's feelings obviously impacted quite a bit after this loss, getting into a fight after the fact. But then there was another corner, it was out. And then all of a sudden you've got Rocky on scene out there, which I thought was kind of fitting because 3rd and 1 up 2717. Kareem Hunt lines up 3rd one and he just works. Justine just runs them right over 10 yards and it's like, man, they ran with the ferocity there at the end. They were able to close it out running the football. And it's just another night. It's just another night with Mahomes from like. I can't believe anybody talks about the NFL and thinks anyone plays this position better than this guy. Other possibilities, but it's just honorable mention. Tampa against San Francisco. You can't compare beating Detroit to beating San Francisco. Even with the history though. So, you know, kind of getting that monkey off their back a little bit there. For the Bucks, it was the battle for the 1 seed in the NFC, believe it or not. And it was kind of a game. I mean, Mac Jones kind of lit it up, had the two picks, which I think was an issue. Previous stops, but also some really good throws in there. But the San Francisco team remind our Baltimore fans probably find this familiar. By the end of the game, five of their six highest paid players weren't playing. Trent Williams is the only one in the lineup at left tackle. Fred Warner. A moment of silence for Fred. Ankle surgery. So he's still with us. But I hate seeing that. Hate seeing my guy. Best instincts of any interview I've. I've ever done in my entire career. So look, it's not beating Detroit, but Baker Mayfield. Heisman moment, third and 14, up 20 to 19. He runs it for 15 yards before hitting Tess Johnson for a 45 yard touchdown on that possession to go up 27 19. How about Tez Johnson? This is. This is one of my favorite quotes from any player in a season. This is Tez Johnson on the MVP chance at home. I'm tell y' all a funny story. This is crazy. When I score and I hit mvp. MVP champ. I'm thinking they talking about me. So I asked Shep, I'm like, Shep, they was chanting mvp. And he was like, yeah. I was like, I ain't do nothing this year. And then he was like, they talking about Baker Test. And I was like, I was like, well, that explains it. But he is the mvp. Perfect delivery. Because he's like, yeah, that was. I was like, man, they're feeling me. But then the self awareness be like, I haven't exactly lit it up. And the only reason he's even playing is because all the receivers for Tampa are now hurt too. But just an incredible, incredible kind of like, is this really happening? Why is this happening? Hey, Shep, is this happening? No, it isn't. That's for Baker Mayfield, who Now with the Heisman moment eligible for a post season award, this message is brought to you by Apple Card It's a great time to apply for an Apple Card you'll love earning up to 3% unlimited daily cash back on every purchase and no fees period through this special referral offer. When you get a new Apple Card, you can earn bonus daily cash. To qualify, you must apply at Apple Co getdailycash Apple Card issued by Goldman.

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[Ryan Marcillo]

Terms and limitations apply. Drake May Beating the Saints is not best win, but my God, I know you're thinking, is Priscilla going to re rank the 24 QB draft class every week on the podcast? Not every week, but damn near every week. Jayn Daniels just had an incredible rookie year. He's hurt this year. And then we talked about the Chargers game. It's like, all right, you know, a bit of a reminder. We'll see how it looks tonight against Caleb. I am wondering how many of the guys from the 24 class have we said is the best? Caleb gets drafted first, but at no point has anyone said that he's like been the better guy than Jaden Daniels, right? Jaden is number one. Unless it's Penix on a Collinsworth game. Or I'll admit too, as much as I love the way Pennix delivers a football, I'm like, man, Collinsworth's losing his mind. Is Pennix going to be the best? I don't think J.J. mcCarthy's had enough of a Runway, has played a lot to be able to ever be suggested like he might actually be the guy. But that fourth quarter comeback against the Bears, you're like, look at that moxie, man. Look at how he stuck his lower jaw. If I had a son, I'd be like, look, I just want you, when the camera's on you, to stick your lower jaw out. And then everybody's going to think you're just built different. May not be true. You could be soft mentally, but stick that lower chin out, big spots when the camera's on you, look how fierce he is, right? Bonix, they made the playoffs. But the fact that Jaden made players steep as they did beating Detroit NFC title game, you know, like so that kind of cancels out Bo Nicks the point. The reason why I'm taking so long to make this point is that Drake May is the best bet to be the best quarterback out of this class. He is ridiculous. It's not just the third and 17th throw to takes. The ball is not thrown from Drake May's hands. It ejects out of his hands. Okay, so the third and 17 offensive pass interference on Diggs, which was a terrible call. Corners are allowed to fight. Receivers should be allowed to fight a little bit back. Then he has the third and 27th throw to Mac Hollins, which is a dime. And by the way, the flag on Diggs, not the worst flag because the other flag on Diggs on a his. The offensive PI on the other touchdown that got called back where he wasn't even in the play and he was just fighting with a corner. That call was probably worse than even the third and 17. So it's not even the third and 17 or third and 27 throws. There's a play in the first quarter where it's first and 10. It's a four man rush by the Saints. The pockets collapsing around him. Obviously coverage is great downfield. Cause there's nothing there. There's no one to rip it to. And then he pitches it to his left. Basically a lateral, but not a lateral. It's just kind of like, let me get rid of the ball and throw it over here to Trevion Henderson for a nice game. It's not the mechanics, it's not the athleticism, it's not the gain, it's not avoiding the sack. It is that it shows all of us that even with such a young start to his career, right, it's not like he's been playing for years and years and years that he is not being sped up, that he is seeing things and then going, all right, he his that awareness. There are so many young quarterbacks that just would be freaking out, freaking out. And maybe they completed pass for like, hey, look at him. He hung in there in the pocket and that's great. This showed another level of awareness of that he still kind of knew everything that was going on. Maybe he got lucky and just caught him out of, you know, side of. But that's not what I saw. I saw somebody that's like, okay, he actually is. Is so calm back there that he can come up with something like that. And yeah, look, the Saints stink. The defensive numbers from New England, not great in this game, but overall a little bit better on the season. You know, look, New England schedule isn't the hardest. I don't know that they're that great of a team. But like, hey, do they have a quarterback for the next 10 years? They do. There's no question now to me on this one. You also have Drake May the first Pats quarterback to put together 100 plus rating, 200 plus yards. There's an EPA number in there since Brady going all the way back to 2011. So good stuff out of him. Segment idea. It's not going to happen now because his quarterback draft class for 26 is super disappointing at this point. Although it is going to be funny a lot. Like every single NBA draft that I've ever covered where if it's a draft that everybody hates six weeks out, it's like, you know, there's some, some nice pieces here. People on this draft a little bit too much because you've just been watching, watching the same guys over and over again talking yourself into this.

[Kyle]

Right?

[Ryan Marcillo]

So there will be a likely. History tells us there will be a push that whatever the second half of the college football season bowl, you know, a couple teams win big games. It's like, you know, this guy is a first rounder unless we have like an EJ Manual class.

[Kyle]

Right.

[Ryan Marcillo]

But the segment idea question would be this. The Tennessee thing is brutal. It's not all on Cam Ward, but the evaluators told us that if you took the 24 class, you took some whatever like Cam Ward would probably be like if you took two classes and put them together. Maybe he's the eighth best quarterback prospect out of all this stuff. Again, it's not on him. He's a rookie. It's going really bad. Teams total, total mess. But it'd be crazy if there were like an awesome. And I know no one wants to think this about Caleb Williams anymore, but think about Caleb Williams leading up to the 24 draft. If there were that kind of prospect available to say Tennessee, if they had the number one pick. Looks like the jets are trying their best. Have that pick. Would a franchise go. We just took a guy number one. We can't replace him with with what is graded out as a better prospect. Segment idea. Maybe a Wednesday or Thursday local radio. You know, if your team's gonna buy. Just trying to help and produce content for you. Worst loss. I don't really know that there is one. Dallas against that Carolina machine on the ground. Dowdle revenge game. Didn't think we'd have that this year. He backed it up. That's the number three rushing attack in the NFL Carolina Panthers. It's also making Bryce Young look better and he's ripping throws. How about his coach trusting him on A huge fourth down instead of a long field goal. That's helping Bryce Young out. And that's a rushing attack that doesn't have a running quarterback because Bryce doesn't run it. Like the number one rushing attack in Washington and the number two rushing attack with Buffalo with their quarterbacks. The Arizona loss feels brutal because they're up 2417 going into the fourth quarter. They need a touchdown. They're down four. They've got four plays starting inside the 12. They need the touchdown. Three yard pass incompletion. It's a sack that's sort of right at the line of scrimmage. Then another incompletion, but it's their backup qb. But man, Kyler's out again. It was like, where did that injury happen? We know where it happened. Sort of sad Jets. It was funny to see everyone collectively be so mad at them at the end of the first half. Justin Fields net negative 10 passing yards, 55. Well, 45 through the air, 55 lost on the ground. So that's how they negative 10. A lot of negative $10 million jokes with the way Fields contract is constructed. Just a stupid, stupid deal by the Jets. I have not seen the Fields army out in force. Their numbers are dwindling. We could do some Miami stuff because you know what? When I was watching two on that last drive, I'm like, where's the bad sack? Where's. Where's the bad interception? Not the case. Wide open player, end zone touchdown. Miami's up. Herbert lines up, doesn't have a lot of time. Less than a minute to go. Needs to get the ball down the field for a game winning field goal. First down, wrecked. So I'm sitting there going, is he just going to get his ass handed to him? Four straight plays because the Chargers can't protect this guy. Second play, he's about to get wrecked, lad. McConkey breaks free. Harbaugh says, when they throw dirt over me, I'll remember that play. So there's not really a worse loss. Although I felt bad for different teams at times. Tua people so down on tua, he was like, yeah, we need better leadership. People like, whatever, dude. You lost again.

[Danny Cannell]

All right.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Some fun with numbers to close this out. I don't know if this one's real, but teams are averaging 1.8 flea flickers per week. I don't think that's real, but that's what it seems like. Drake May seven to eight, three touchdowns against pressure in the first half. He's seeing it, folks. Vita Vea. When Sheil and I did the top five players at each position. I'm glad Vita vet was at least mentioned. You know, the same way I was glad that I was kind of fighting for Jeffrey Simmons still, despite a down year in 24 based on Simmons standards. But he was double teamed 70% of the time against San Francisco, highest of his entire career. He still had five pressures. I'd argue he had more. I had he him impacting more than. Well, look, it's not just what he's impacting here, but with the pressure stuff it's like, yeah, but if he's double teamed and then it opens up somebody else like the five pressures feels like it's doing him a disservice for the kind of game that he had yesterday. Trevor Lawrence Jags aren't good. I don't care. I don't care that they just beat the Chiefs. I don't like that team. I don't like anything they stand for. That seems a little dramatic. He was pressured on 59% of his dropbacks for a total of 17, which is a staggering, staggering number. So maybe this one isn't necessarily on him. Just like in goodwill hunting. It's not your fault, but it might be with him. This episode is brought to you by Scout Motors. Whether on the gridiron or off of it, America loves a game changer. The all new Scout Terra and Scout Traveler are entering the game. Iconic in the 70s reimagine for today, an engineer with four wheel drive available, locking differentials, optional 35 inch tires and a projected 1000 pound feet of torque. Opposing defenses take note of Join the wait [e-mail] Concept vehicles not available for sale. Features and performance specifications are preliminary and subject to change. Joining the waitlist does not guarantee purchase. Visit scoutmotors.com for details. All right, look, we did not have you. We booked this before Florida State pit. So we had you on after the Bama win to talk to you. We did not book this today to see how you feel about Seminoles. I don't even know if we start there. Do we say we probably shouldn't but.

[Danny Cannell]

Start wherever you want, man. This is your. We can do whatever you want. But I will say there are some things wish you could take back. You know, I was on the field. I was an emotional moment. We had just rushed the field there in Tallahassee and I put out a little video that said we're back baby. The Noles are back. And now I'm getting that video brought to my attention once again. It Is. I mean, there's been a bunch of these stories across college football, and it is one of the hardest questions to answer is, how does that team that was so good against Alabama all of a sudden lose three games in a row? It's one of the most perplexing things to. To answer. I don't even know how it happens. You know, how that unfolds. But it's just. It's inexplicable. It's frustrating. I mean, some of the numbers you're hearing that Florida State hasn't won an ACC game in over a year. I mean, the other numbers. I mean, I could give you a list. They've lost for Duke. For the first time in program history. They lost to an FCS team. First time in program history. Like the kind of records you don't want to be making. A lot of that unfolded here in the Mike Norvell era. It's been bad. There's no way to sugarcoat it.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, I actually think the Miami loss, because the score is so weird at the end. Like, they got destroyed in that game. You know, they come down, everybody's excited. And, you know, Bear and I were even talking about, like, atmospheres and best stadiums. And it's like. I don't know that anybody would talk about dope being, like, the best stadium, but when it's right and, you know, it's something about the humidity and the. You know, I don't know if we need to get in a dew point here, but it always feels like in those big spots, there's a little bit of drizzle and they're coming out, and then it's like, actually, Miami just ran all over them. And to Crystal Ball's credit, he was probably thrilled they were screwing up so much at the end, because then he'd have something to yell at them about the whole time. Because I was going through it, it's like, look, UVA is better. And that was just one of those nights, right? On Friday night, you lose that game. Um, Pitt's not. Pitt's not bad by any stretch of the imagination. Even though. You know, it's funny. Cause I was watching Eli, the quarterback who they brought in, in the transfer portal. And then he was so bad in the red zone, a couple possessions against West Virginia. Then to see him get yanked, there was another backup who's been around, and they play the freshman. And so you can argue, like, hey, they're in the game, but you're right. Like, I was looking at some of the stuff where it was like, this many ACC losses versus when Bowden was there during this stretch, it's almost like it for what was like a decade run. Like they've had that many ACC losses in not even two full years about now. What he had it absolutely rolling there. So it is like resume wise it's not going to matter. But it's just kind of funny like if we, if they continue on this stretch and I do it, we all have to do it. But it kind of drives me crazy and like what it means of when you've beaten a team or when you've lost to a team, like say Alabama loses another game, no one's going to feel good about that Florida State loss. Even though that day like Florida State looked like a great football team and.

[Danny Cannell]

It was, it was sort of the perfect storm, right? You had. Florida State was running both offensive and defensive new schemes that Alabama hadn't seen. So they had to adjust on the fly. You had, I mean Bama did have jam, Miller was out, Tim Keenan was out. That worked in their flavor favor and Florida State was fresh like since then. That was a big storyline in the pit game. They didn't have Squirrel White, they didn't have their offensive tackle. They had everybody on defense like that. That's the thing, I think that's been the most disappointing, surprising thing is just how bad the defense is because I, I mean Tommy Castellanos, he might be a little bit, you know, it's, it's not, it's, it's a, it's a fun kind of exciting style of play that he plays. The offense has actually performed really well for the most part. You know, even against Miami he has the two interceptions which were really bad and those cost him the game. But outside of that, the offense is kind of delivered on what you thought you were going to get. It was a Gus Malzon system with a quarterback that really fits it. The defense has been the thing that's been most disappointing. Like there aren't. There's just not many guys over there. And that's so I keep telling Florida State fans, I'm like just preaching patience. And although I have no idea how Penn State came up with $50 million just within the span of a week, it was like, yep, there it is. Florida State's is more expensive than that. I think it's around 60 million that they would own Mike forever. So I'm trying to teach patience to the team. Florida State's win total coming into the season was seven and a half. And I actually had them going under the win total in the preseason because I just thought it was going to be a year where they sort of try to get their feet under them, get some stability, but then once you beat Alabama, totally reset those expectations. It's like, man, could you imagine if they didn't beat Bama and they had this like. Then you'd be making a really uncomfortable decision if you're Michael Alford. So trying to preach patience. But if they lose to Stanford this week, that's why they go out to Palo Alto is a 17 point favorite. They might have to do something drastic just like we've seen these other schools. I don't know where the money's coming from, but it's just one where it gets so bad right in front of your eyes. You have to do it.

[Ryan Marcillo]

We're going to touch on Franklin. We should have started in Eugene with Indiana. All right.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Because that game, I don't regret anything. I would never take back anything I said about Indiana last year. Okay. And it would have been a really. Well, I don't know that it would have been a weird or uncomfortable conversation for me if you had either South Carolina, Bama or Ole Miss. Although I probably disliked Bama the most of any of those three SEC teams that we were, you know, hearing arguments about when the playoffs was announced for the 12 teams. Because I was like, all right, even though this is a scheduling error with Indiana, you know, those three SEC teams. But even still, I was, like, uncomfortable with it. I was uncomfortable, as I will be for any team with these expanded conferences of like, have you seen what happened with their schedule? So, look, I'll never feel wrong about that this year. I wanted to see what it was going to look like. The Illinois thing is a beating and they're. They're a decent team. The Iowa bounce back, you know, you knew that was going to be kind of a tough spot coming off of the Illinois thing. But to go into Eugene, as I'd said, you know, I have some college football stuff I'm going to do, so I'm going to try not to repeat it here, but to go into a place that nobody wins and clearly look like the better team for 60 minutes and just through the course of watching an Indiana game, you're like, well, that guy's awesome. That guy's awesome. Like, I think it's the best win of any team in college football this year. You have them number one in the DK top 12 earned not given.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah, that's right.

[Ryan Marcillo]

By the way, make your case for them being the best team in college.

[Danny Cannell]

Football that is strictly resume based. I think they have the best resume in college football. Like Ohio State's win against Texas was good. I don't think it was as dominant was Indiana just did to Oregon on the road. I mean that's just the one case scenario. They do have a common opponent in Illinois that Indiana put up 63 against. And we just saw Ohio State and that was a comfortable win, but it wasn't as dominant as that. I know there's injuries and Illinois had some pieces missing in the secondary they were able to exploit. So like outside of those, the Washington win was really good. It was a nice win for Ohio State. And if you had them, you know, facing each other, yeah, I'd probably say Ohio State, I put them ahead of them, you know. But from strictly a resume, I think it's pretty clear cut. Indiana has the best resume. I had Miami fans that were upset saying how, how come we drop behind India? I'm like, you guys have to be joking. Like your wins against Florida State and Florida are looking worse and worse. And that's the thing I try to do. Notre Dame I think is a good win, but that was at home. It was only by a field goal, which again I would say Indiana's win against or like your best win. I think like you said, I think Indiana has the best win in the country to this point. And it is remarkable. This is why, you know, I always felt like Nick Saban, one of his biggest accomplishments was the amount of SEC coaches he got fired. I think Kirk Signetti is doing the same thing at Indiana because all these programs are looking at. You've heard a lot of coaches say we need more spending, we need to spend more so we can compete. Indiana has spent more than they've ever spent before. But they're not spending as much as Oregon. You know, they're not spending as much as some of these other Michigan who they beat last year. And yet they're able to come do this in just two years. And coaching matters more now than it's ever mattered before. And not the type of coaching that's just a great recruit. Because that was kind of what separated the great coaches from the pre nil pre portal movement was you could just be the great recruiter that could everybody come to your school and then you would just be able to out talent the opponent almost. You know, nine times out of 10, you know, you'd have just be able to win games because you just show up and you had the better roster. That's not the case Anymore is these gaps are closing and closing. So I think coaching and not. You can still have a head coach who's a figurehead boy. He better make the right decisions on coordinator hires, assistant hires, game day hires, when to go for it on fourth down, which is more critical than ever before. The importance of coaching. I think Kirk Signetti is like the perfect example of what a good coach can do anywhere. Not just at the top tier schools, but any program in the country.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Can you, as our audience knows, an NFL quarterback explain the talent level needed for Mendoza on a couple of those throws? There was two throws in particular. There was like an RPO where I think he's leading. I forget because I get confused between Cooper and Seurat over the course of a game. But there's an RPO where he throws it to his left and there's a corner trailing the receiver. So he's got to lead him and he's got to rip it across the hash. And then he had another throw that wasn't an rpo. It was basically, it had to have been his first read, but it was like even more velocity on that kind of throw. So like those are things that just jump out and you're like, you know what? That wasn't, that wasn't looking at just half the field. And I mean maybe it was half the field on the second throw, but it just. Some of these throws that you can see are so like predetermined and they're safe. And it's like, hey, our guy can make this throw. What do those throws show you from Mendoza?

[Danny Cannell]

That he's special. And that's the reason why he's being talked about as you know, potentially the number one, number one overall pick. Cause like you said, everybody when you go to the combine, everybody can make the prototypical throws, the 20 yard comeback. They're going to try to test your strength. The straight line post just down the. When you take a seven step, seven step drop and you just chuck it as far as you can and shoot even some of those guys, I mean, the Zach Wilson combine throw where he rolls out and rolls out to his left and throws it back against his body, which was an incredible throw. Those are great, but those can be scripted and practiced all the time. When you see a guy like that making plays like the ones you're talking about in the game, that's the type of stuff that has scouts salivating to be able to see that. And that's what makes the great players in the NFL elevate from being in just a top tier, top 10 quarterback to being in that top five. Like, you've got to be able to, you know, off balance, running the wrong way, anticipation, all of it is the thing that Mendoza's got that a lot of guys don't. You can't teach that either. You can't really train for it. It's just a natural, God given talent to be able to make those type of throws that just aren't normal.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Okay, you're going to like this next discussion. All right.

[Kyle]

Yep.

[Danny Cannell]

SEC is getting two teams in. That's it.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Well, it's the best conference. I, I don't, I mean, do you dispute that?

[Danny Cannell]

I do. And I saw Joel Platt have a. Take that.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Oh, no, he's pretty, he's pretty down the middle.

[Danny Cannell]

No, but I don't, I think he went a little bit too far. Cause he said there's a couple, you know, couple good teams and then it falls through. There's a bunch of bad teams. I do look at. I think you're going to see the carnage unfold. Like, we just saw Tennessee, who's in the top 15, almost lose to Arkansas. We just saw Ole Miss, who's in the top five, almost lose to Washington State. That was an atrocious, like, not a very good football team. It kind of goes back to the parody now. I think this is happening at every conference. Like, I don't see that much difference in Oklahoma and South Carolina. And they're squaring off this year and that next week. And all of a sudden we were talking about Oklahoma as a playoff team and I don't know why we don't do that in other conferences as well.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Well, the, the rest of what I was going to say is I think they're the best conference. The, the power four, head to head stuff. I, you know, for everybody that laughs about an Arkansas Memphis result, then somehow goes to bed, doesn't watch Mississippi State beat Arizona State. So if you, you know, it's not always the Bulls, it's not always these things, but SEC fans have used these things for years, so it's annoying when they try to ignore a bowl season where the Big Ten owned them last year, you know.

[Kyle]

Right.

[Ryan Marcillo]

But if really we're talking about these two conferences, I'm sorry, like when I look at 10 through 14 and that meaty part. So it's like Minnesota, UCLA, Illinois, Maryland, Michigan State. And then you look at the SEC and you're talking about like Florida, South Carolina, Mississippi State, you know, look, nobody's going to tell you Arkansas is any good except the quarterback, Taylor Green's really good.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Marcillo]

So my point is this though, is that all of those teams, I don't know who the special one is. I'm totally with you on Ole Miss. I think Alabama's good. I don't think they're great. A and M's defense, which I'm going to talk about in with more depth when I do my top 12 a little later in the pod. So what ends up happening, I think was a like, hey, is it about the championships? Is about the depth, is about the head to head. It's all these different things. And when you don't have an SEC team winning a national championship, which apparently they have to do every single year, which seems a little unfair to hang on the belt. Like, it's like they finally didn't win a couple and now it's like, yep, sorry, guys, it's the Big Ten now they're going to have. It's not just the beating up on each other. Just based on what I've seen now through these six games, I think A and M's really good. I don't feel like they're better than these top teams like we had. Bear on again, I'm referencing it. Where he talked to a sportsbook was like, can I get Oregon, Miami, Ohio State or the field? And what are the odds on that? And he was like, it was kind of close even. And I do think it's a bit of a mistake that we fall into every year. We're like, okay, well these are the four teams or these are the two teams. And then there's this massive, massive gap. And it's like, there probably isn't really that gap, perception wise right now. The gap is that it's those three teams with Indiana replacing Oregon. But the sec, if it's about titles, they're in trouble, right? Because I'm not. I'm not like really blown away by any of those teams.

[Danny Cannell]

If you gave me one, I would take Alabama. Ty Simpson, since the Florida State loss has kind of elevated his game to a place where he's. I think he's the best quarterback in the SEC right now. Um, I don't. So I think we have to be really careful with like. Cause I made that statement last weekend. I was kind of mad at myself saying Oregon, Miami and Ohio State were in a tear by themselves. Right. They felt like they were better than everybody else. And then Indiana goes and beats them in their backyard. Some of the stuff is scheduling in order to get there as good as. I think Ohio State and Miami are. I think we just have to be careful with the way we talk about them because yes, they look the part, but there's just more of a chance for an upset that there's ever been in college football because those gaps are narrowed. I still think, and I like when you get there. That's why I think what's going to be really interesting is I do think there's going to be the debate between the 9 and 3, 10 and 2 teams who is better. And that's why the SEC has been getting out in front of this. You know, back at the spring meetings when they're putting out all the information, they realize the importance because those gaps are closed, of getting more teams in to have that opportunity again. I do, I, I agree with that. I think the SEC is the best conference. I think the Big Ten is right behind them. And I do think there is a pretty significant gap between them and the Big 12 and the ACC. Like it's pretty there. Even though the ACC's worst team did beat the SEC's best. I wish it wasn't the case because I wish we were better. But I think we are at the bottom of the standings there at 03 in Tallahassee. But see, I don't like, that's an interesting one because I do think Oregon is a team I still think can win it. But then you start looking at their resume and you're like, well, they almost lost, you know, to a team that just lost back to back games to UCLA and Northwestern at home. Like, how are we sure Oregon's that good? I think they are. I still would buy into Oregon. Dante Moore, for the first time he looked a little bit flustered and just, I think it's really, it's really as wide open as I can ever mentor. We thought it was going to be this way coming to the season. I think it's playing out in the field and I think even still we have to be careful. I mean, Ohio State sitting back just on cruise control with a quarterback who keeps getting better and better, a defense that somehow looks better than they won they had last year. Ohio State's probably the team we all should just be saying, yep, they're going back to back and yet none of us want to believe it because it's so hard to do that and because they had to place replace both coordinators, a boatload of NFL talent on both sides of the ball. And yet here they are again.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, I'm with you on Ohio State. I would pick him against Indiana, but the Fact that I even have to think about it is, you know, I know Hoosiers fans are going like, ooh, cool. You have to think about us. Thanks for the compliment. Well, again, did you hear me talk about your team last year? So, I mean, this is where I'm at after that Oregon win. And I'm totally with you with saying like it's, he's. I think he's kind of nasty, man. Like they don't need him to be. But you, you can see incrementally like what they're doing with him. So post Chip Kelly, it's like, okay, that was a huge legitimate concern. Losing Jim Knowles is not a good thing. I mean, if you want to do a little bit of a comp thing, even though it's not the exact same guys, obviously, but you know, Penn State against Oregon, different setting. But then Oregon playing him this year and like limiting Oregon to 17 points, even though Indiana basically just did the exact same thing in their own place. So it looked like, okay, well how can this be better? How can they actually be better on defense? And statistically to this point, they've been better on defense. I'm going to point out the schedule a little bit later on. They're going to just start rolling here. I don't want to make the mistake of these teams. Okay. It's clearly them. Because you know, the other thing that I think is just frustrating about this sport is that we act like when a team loses that we all like that. It's somehow shocking. It's like, do you guys. People act like 12 and oh is just way too easy when you're really good. It's like, how have we not learned our lesson time and time again where I don't care who you are, there's probably going to be that week where shit just falls apart. I mean, all you have to do is ask Ohio State fans last year Michigan game, it's like, all right, what's the recipe for losing to a far inferior opponent? Based on what we've seen from their 11 game sample the previous. Well during that current season. But man, every, like I've made myself watch more Ohio State just because it's like you, you can't just because I know I'm probably not going to be putting their games on TV with how ugly this is about to get. So it's like you need to be more educated on saying, and the other thing too is like when the other quarterback thinks they have time because it's like a four man rush against Ohio State and then they, they don't even go to scramble, they just try to find like a lane inside of the pocket and then all of a sudden it's like, oh shit, like this guy's on top of me. So I'm resume wise sure you could ding Ohio State here a little bit, but I don't know how anyone talks about this sport without some preconceived notion not giving the benefit of the doubt. Giving the benefit of the doubt. If you're going to give a team the benefit of the doubt, even with new people and new coordinators, it's hard. Look, I thought Indiana should get first place votes in the polls. They did. They got a couple. But you know, clearly Ohio state deserves their 50 plus first place votes in the AP, right?

[Danny Cannell]

Julian saying. And it was funny because I had Ohio State, man, Ohio State fans were upset with me because I said after the Texas game it doesn't look like Ryan Day trust Julian Sand. And I don't.

[Ryan Marcillo]

And I think, well, that's exactly what it was, the game plan. I mean there's no argument they didn't.

[Danny Cannell]

Have to expose him. And so they've kind of, they've had the training wheels on him for the first two or three weeks of the season and then slowly they've been giving him more of the system and it's been building up his confidence more and more to the point where we are now, where he's one of the best quarterbacks in the country. There's another team I wanted to ask you about because they have a huge game coming up this weekend and it does feel like they're going to do exactly what they did last year, Notre Dame, who after they started the season, Owen 2. I didn't love that they were ranked in the top 25 because I feel like you have to beat somebody. But they're slowly starting to dismantle opponents just like they did last year. CJ Carr, by the way, has been really, really good for them at quarterback. Marcus Freeman can just flat out coach. The defense is getting better and after a three point loss to Miami and a one point loss, Texas A&M, two teams we've already talked about as some of the best teams in the country. It does feel like they're going to waltz their way right back into the playoff. They're already sneaking up the top 25. We're on. Even though if it's going to be.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Much of a debate, I can't wait for SC this week. It'll be at home. So, you know, SC has looked like a Completely different team. But I thought Michigan was a little. I just don't trust their offense. I don't know how you could have watched this year and been like, yeah, they're, they're not awesome on offense. I mean, Justice Haynes is terrific at running back.

[Danny Cannell]

And Bryce Underwood still a little green too. I mean, he's got, he's got to develop. That's totally. I liked USC last week for that reason. It was at home. I think that was a monster win for Lincoln Riley. He even said after the game like, this was a Big Ten win. He's taken so much heat about physicality. For them to have. That was a huge statement. Now they got to see if they can do it on the road. What are they? I think they're eight and a half, nine point underdog, which would be a huge. Like this one will be because I thought USC had a chance to be that third or fourth best team in the Big Ten. If they knock off Notre Dame, it emphatically puts them in that conversation. And then if this is Notre Dame's really last big test for them before they, you know, kind of waltz through just like they've been doing through a lot of the ACC opponents.

[Ryan Marcillo]

They have, yeah, they're, they got a stretch here and they also have, have Oregon up there.

[Danny Cannell]

USC does.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, yeah, SC does. But yeah, I, I kind of look at SC as. I, I just thought that was a nice win for them again. Yeah, McCully's who I should be referencing as the number one target there for Michigan. On the Oregon thing though, why did you drop them down so far? Is this just because the DK top 12 is about resumes? Yeah, because again, last year was confusing when you had Indiana number two in the country when they were 5 and 0. If it was about resumes, I've still never quite understood that one.

[Danny Cannell]

But it's a proprietary formula DK Top 12 that you do have to go to. I just thought again, I mentioned over Oregon's resume, I think their best win took a hit, you know, and it looked really good at the time. But how good is Penn State? UCLA beat them more handily and so Northwestern just beat them. Like, how good of a win is that? Regardless of how you feel the time when it happened from a str, from a strictly resume standpoint, that is, that's not as impressive as a win as it was before. And they did get, they did not look very close against Indiana. Like, that game was pretty physically, like lopsided, which is such a shock. I did not see that Happening. I didn't. I didn't love either side of that game because it's really hard to pick against Indiana, but Indiana, like, looked very clearly like the better football team.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I think the drop for Oregon is. Is too extreme. Would you pick Oregon or Alabama?

[Danny Cannell]

I probably would pick Alabama.

[Ryan Marcillo]

You'd pick them against. You pick Oregon against Ole Miss?

[Danny Cannell]

Yes.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yes. Okay. How about A and M?

[Danny Cannell]

I think that'd be a really good game. I think it'd be like a pick them. I would probably. I don't know. I might lean towards A and M because I'm more. I'm not worried. Dante Moore took a step back, and I want to see how he responds to that adversity. Like, that's one thing that really impressed me about Ty Simpson. He was getting called for his job. He sucks. People should fire Caitlin DeBoer. What has he done since then? He stepped right back in. It's one. Like, that's my favorite way to evaluate quarterbacks is after you've faced a game that you played really bad and we haven't seen Dante Moore bounce back yet.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I. Look, I get made fun of all the time for pointing out how much I like a quarterback on the losing side, which I don't understand why that's a weird thing. Like, Will Howard, his game against Oregon last year was like, all right, you know what? They lost, but this guy. That Kansas State was totally fine that he left. No, that had a lot to do with Avery Johnson coming in. But, you know, I don't know. I mean, you're going to be kind of limited here. Like, how creative is this going to get? And then after I saw that Oregon game, even in the loss, I'm like, you know what? This is totally different now. Like, I feel different about Ohio State because this guy's got some more baller in him. And Ty Simpson getting his ass handed to him all day in Tallahassee, running for his life, looking like he wanted to retire on the bench. I took a positive out of that. I was like, at least he's still out there fighting, right? And so that probably, you know, those are the little things that I'll look for where the rest of this has made sense, because I think he's terrific. And that receiver room for Alabama seems like it gets better every single week. Okay, we've touched on it, but we didn't really dug in James Franklin out. I know no one likes him. Like, people really don't like him, except his players.

[Danny Cannell]

Like, his players love him. That's the thing that we Often overlook.

[Ryan Marcillo]

But let me just like, like the resume against the top teams. You know, I think he was 1 in 24 against those teams. He was favored I think four times or something like that. Like I went through it did a couple weeks ago that they have a really nice run last year. Okay, the Oregon loss is disappointing. Then back to back losses as a 20 point favorite. It's nuts. And then everybody's chanting fire this guy in the whole deal. He can recruit like crazy. They must really not like him because I still think this is an overreaction.

[Danny Cannell]

I don't get why they had to do it now. Why'd you have to do it on October 13th or October 12th? Like there's a lot of season left to play now. It's probably not going to get better because Drew Allers lost for the season, which has kind of been overlooked in this. And you feel awful for him. But I just worry about these programs that think it's going to be automatically better. And everybody wants to go from Georgia with Mark Rick to Georgia with Kirby Smart, where you were close. Nine and 10 wins. You were felt like you were knocking on the door. And then Kirby Smart takes over and just takes them exactly where you want to go. There are way more programs where you fired a coach, you thought it could get better and it, it didn't. And then all of a sudden you're like, man, it was kind of nice to be winning 10 games a year. I saw a stat earlier about the amount of coaches in the last three and a half years that have won more games. Like everybody's so focused on the games versus the top 10 opponents. And it's only like Ryan Day, Kirby Smart, Kaylin DeBoer and Dan Lanning in the last three and a half years, the only coaches across college football who have more wins than James Franklin. And it's a lot of money to come up with, man, it's a lot of money. When I thought everybody was in financial distress and there were so many issues going around, where does that set up the program to be able to go buy the next coaching staff, buy the next round of players because they also invested a lot in this player's class. To me, it's a head scratcher without knowing who you're going to get next. And everybody thinks Matt Rule is just going to up and leave Nebraska, which maybe it does happen. They think Kirk Sinetti is going to leave Indiana, which maybe it does happen. But in this cycle, which is going to be the most wild coaching carousel that we've seen I think in the last 15, 20 years, there are going to be some schools looking on the outside in, and there's going to be some in this game of musical chairs where you're like, oh, this is who we got. You just want to make sure you're not that person or that school.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Almost every school ends up going, this is who we got. I mean, even A and M, when they got Elko, it was like, right, huh?

[Danny Cannell]

You know, and he's on the Runway. I mean, I remember Florida fans when it was Napier, and I forget the names. I think that was. Was that Scott Frost cycle. He thought it was him. There was a bunch of coaches that came cruden. I don't know if his name was around there, but there have been so many.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I don't even know if it was. But it was right. Right.

[Danny Cannell]

And then it's like your fifth or sixth hire. When I would ask Florida fans, I've told them this a lot. Dan Mullen. It was a mistake to fire Dan Mullen, and he would have crushed it in this era because I think he wasn't as enthusiastic about recruiting going out on the road. But now when you can just buy the players and you have rev share. He would have crushed it if they just would have stayed. But they were tired of getting the SEC championship game and losing Alabama. And then all of a sudden, look at him now. There's just. There's. And there's examples both ways. I just think it was premature in the season. Like, can't you even let the season play out?

[Ryan Marcillo]

I'd have to be around it every day to give the best answer for that, because I'm only seeing the videos. And it's like, man, this is getting.

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Talks really, really ugly. And then I know when people talk about, like, okay, well, the 50 million, like, what kind of stress does that put on the program? And it's like, well, that's booster money and all this stuff. But I think we. It's not necessarily the same as the coaching salaries, but it kind of is. Like, I feel like there's a lot of understanding going, hey, if the AD wants to do this, the money behind the program has to be on the same page of bringing somebody in, getting them the contract. And then also those people saying, these are the kind of resources you're going to have. We're going to step up, we're going to do all these different things. So when you have to come up with a $50 million buyout, and I know it's just under. And then there was Language this morning where they were talking about, well, they're going to meet with Franklin to defer the payments and figure out all this kind of, of stuff. All right, But I, I think this is, it may sound simple and I, maybe I might even be wrong, but I think common sense would tell you, if you're asking the money behind a program to cut that kind of check, doesn't that cut into some other form of the resources for the program? You would think so, right? It has to, doesn't it? Whenever I brought it up, it's like, no, no, no, it's just the boosters, it doesn't matter. Doesn't impact any of the day to day stuff. Like, how is that possible? How is that possible? If you go to a guy that is able. Because I've heard these stories like, hey, they passed the hat with the guys, like, let's get this guy the fuck out of here. Right, right. And so how do you then go to those same people, like at the next function and be like, hey, we have you for a million, towards the nil. And it's like, well, I just, Are you forgetting what I did last October?

[Danny Cannell]

I cannot figure out the college football economy right now at all for that. Because, I mean, really, you have heard, I mean, the Big Ten has been looking into private equity money and you're like, wait, how does that make sense? The amount of money that's come in from the TV deals and maybe this is one of the ways they fund that. It's just. But somehow they always work around it. Somehow it always finds its way working, which is unbelievable to me. I do think Pat Kraft, the athletic director, man, I think he, Matt Rule is the guy. I think that's who they're going to go try to get. I just don't know. And I. Maybe if you're Matt Ruler, would you.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Take it if you were Signetti?

[Danny Cannell]

See, that's the crazy thing. How we're even having this conversation speaks volumes. The job that sick daddy has done at Indiana depends on what he look, what he's looking for, you know, like.

[Ryan Marcillo]

If he wants whatever he wants, probably. Right?

[Danny Cannell]

Yeah. I mean, how do you have to.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Take the Penn State job if you're offered it?

[Danny Cannell]

And I think you do. But the fact that it's even like a split second debate does show you the job that Signetti's done. But yes, I think he would have more resources and the ability to get the top tier players to come to Penn State than you would at Indiana. But sometimes your coaching style works better at A certain school. And that's why Signetti's one, you know, done so well at some of these schools. That chip on the shoulder mindset works. He's a great coach, man. I think he'd be a home run hire. I just wonder if Penn State's going to get the home run higher. They think they are.

[Ryan Marcillo]

What he's done in Indiana, it's just stupid. Before we let you go, because I know you have a couple minutes here, give me your thoughts on that Texas win. Because that was a messy, ugly game all over the place and I don't even care about the stats. I think it was a big Arch Manning kind of grow up experience in that spot. So it's. I hope Texas fans felt good about that. Even though offensively like, hey, they got the punt return touchdown. It wasn't really that great. Mater didn't have a great time in the second half of that game either. But that was like an ugly rivalry. It was just such a mess of a football game. But I think people should feel good about Arch maybe for the first time all season.

[Danny Cannell]

I thought you started to see signs of Arch against Florida and I know he had a couple bad interceptions, but he did have the beautiful post throw for a touchdown. I think it's all been mental with Arch. That's to your point why I think that could be such a monumental moment for his career. When you look at it and you're like, all right, you bottomed out against San Jose State or Sam Houston, like that was the bottom. And then now you're starting to play your way up, which is kind of what I thought it would be a roller coaster ride for him. But what I was watching, some of him miss very routine throws against those lesser opponents. It was all about confidence. And I think, I mean, the UTEP.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Game is really the one, right?

[Danny Cannell]

You tap. There was. There was a. I mean, that three game stretch where it just was like you're supposed to be throwing five touchdowns and, you know, having 300 yards, it just was not there for him to have. That, I think was huge. And if you looked at Sark's face when they were coming off, there's a shot of him in the tunnel with the hat, he's holding it and the players are coming in there. I think you saw what it meant for him. I still have my concerns about Texas making the College Football Playoff. I still think you might see some highs and lows, but I think this will finally answer any critics who thought that Arch Manning wasn't going to be okay like, as a quarterback in college football, I mean, some of the takes were completely asinine that were going on. On about him. And I think this was just a huge, like, step forward in his career, part of the process of him becoming one of the better quarterbacks in college football.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, the stats aren't great. Maybe the one sack is the best thing. Because it felt like the takeaway that I had was like, it looks like now he's playing with an awareness of like, our own line is not going to be here all day long. Like, I thought he was throwing with understanding duress better in this game, but yeah, we'll see.

[Danny Cannell]

He made a couple big throws there, too. I mean, like, we were talking about Mendoza. There were a couple throws in that game that Arch made and you're like, oh, okay, I get it. It's not just the name. It's not just, you know, it's not just folklore. You could actually see him start now. He just has to get more consistent, which I think he will.

[Ryan Marcillo]

BYU 12, huh?

[Danny Cannell]

Undefeated big 12. Watch out. Resumes. Resumes, man. It's the DK top 12. What's the formulas?

[Ryan Marcillo]

Spicy Arizona team.

[Danny Cannell]

They did. Hey, their best. Their best win is zero losses.

[Ryan Marcillo]

All right, man. Well, thanks for being a part of history today. I appreciate it, Danny.

[Danny Cannell]

I'm thrilled to be on, man. Congrats to you.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Fired up for you, Dusty and Danny. And again, the COVID 3 podcast with a very pro Big Ten crew. So maybe you can bring that SEC sick. Because I. I'm telling you right now, I don't know who their. Who their squad is. I don't know who their squad is. It's the deepest conference. It's not even. It's kind of silly, I think, for anyone to even argue it, but they don't have that headliner. I'm not in love with any of their headliners.

[Danny Cannell]

I. I think it's going to be fun. I still think they have a couple teams that could win it all. Let's just see if they get to the national championship game, though.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Let's see. Look at you having a little faith at Tennessee team. Tennessee team. Look cold, brother. They look cold last year. Thanks, Danny. You got it. This episode is brought to you by Prime Video. Thursday Night Football is on, and it's only on Prime Video. This week, the AFC north takes center stage as the Pittsburgh Steelers battle the Cincinnati Bengals. What I'm looking forward to is anyone in that stadium quitting on Jake Browning. Because it's pretty clear, just when you think you've counted them out. He's going to find a way to get back in the game. Did you watch what Cincinnati did in the fourth quarter against Detroit? 21 points now they didn't win the game, but that's what I'm saying to the Steelers. It's like he's going to get those interceptions out of the way. He's going to get him out of the way early. He's going to get him out of the way often against the Steelers team which again, I cannot get past the average depth of target numbers for Aaron Rodgers. It's like, man, that might be a problem long term. Even though, even though Pittsburgh, right now, your Pittsburgh Steelers in first place for this division wins against the jets, the Pats, the Vikings, but they get the Pats early before Drake May became the fourth best quarterback in the NFL. Is that too high? Coverage begins at 7pm Eastern with Football's Best Party TNF Tonight, presented by Verizon. Not a Prime member. Not a problem. Simply sign up for a free 30 day trial. It's the Steelers and the Bengals Thursday at 7pm Eastern only on Prime Video. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com amazonprime for details. We referenced DK's top 12 I'm doing my 12 now for the College Football Playoff. Like I said, every week this early in the year. I don't know that I love it because it's just a hybrid of resume and belief and watching all of these teams. So let's start with Ohio State, number one in the AP, number one in the coaches poll, 50 first place votes. Other first place votes in the AP, Miami, number two. They have 13. Indiana three three place votes. I said last week if Indiana beat Oregon I would put them number three. So let's run through it. So Ohio State. Yeah, it's a bit of the benefit of the doubt thing, but the defense is just stupid and the more I watch saying the more I like him. 78% completion rate. His last interception was a month ago. The Texas win, you know, who knows will that then become if Texas turned things around like, hey, that's a really, really look, it's a good win. Okay. You know, it may not be the number one next to the Longhorns when they came into Columbus that Saturday, but whatever, they stop Illinois sort of this week. Not necessarily based on their standards. They had allowed 25 total points in the previous five games. So giving up 16 to Illinois is like a disappointment for these guys. I don't know if you're looking at their next schedule or next stretch of schedule. Their next five are Wisconsin, Penn State, Purdue, UCLA, Rutgers. They're going to be 11. And oh, and if they lose to Michigan this year. Anyway, the point is of those, Wisconsin, Penn State, Purdue, ucla, Rutgers. Is UCLA the toughest opponent? I don't think we thought that that would happen or at least that conversation. I'm not even sure that's necessarily accurate, but it's probably going to be ugly against those teams. Number two, Miami was off. Florida State win. Look, they destroyed them. So that was a good win. Florida State had 19 in the fourth quarter. I'm putting Indiana number two. There you go, your home for Hoosiers right here. The pick six makes it 2020 against Oregon. And I, even in that moment I'm like, is Oregon going to pull this thing out because they've not been the better football team? But that's what happens in sports sometimes. So I was like, man, that kind of sucks for Indiana. Better team all day. But then Mendoza responds immediately. 75 yard touchdown drive. Doesn't even look like emotionally he'd look completely unchanged. Just a great drive. The way they attacked an offensive line for Oregon that looked like it was scrambling. Moore's worst game of the season. Oregon doesn't lose at home. Eighteen straight in Eugene. Last loss, Washington and 22. And that win for Indiana is the best win of the college football season. And yes, we could sit there and do this fucking game. Or like, yeah, but I mean, Oregon's best, Penn State. And then all this stuff like, look, if we want to do it, we can sit here for an hour and come to the conclusion that no one is actually good in this sport. But ultimately, like, I just get sick of doing that. So I think it's a better win than Ohio State's win against Texas. Miami was at home against Notre Dame. Bama at Georgia, not really in love with Georgia. This year, Georgia at Tennessee. Ole Miss was at home against lsu. That's not even in the conversation. A and M at Notre Dame, maybe. So you've got Mendoza, you've got Surat, you've got Cooper, you've got just two ballers at wide receiver. Look like they'd be number ones for tons of programs in college football. The D lines all over the place. Linebacker Frazier, who's been incredible. Hemby, the running back who every single time he has a carry and you think it's for a loss or stop to the line of scrimmage, it ends up being good for two or three yards. So look, last year I thought Indiana was a scheduling error. Now I think they're a national title contender. So I have Miami 3. It's okay, Miami, don't worry about it. The gap thing that we talked about in the past, the gap being Ohio State, Miami, Oregon or the field, we're never going to learn. We're never going to learn. And even right now if you start going, well, look, it's a gap between Ohio State, Miami, Indiana and then all these other teams. I don't know. I don't know that it necessarily is. Now number four. This is where it gets interesting. I'm putting the ducks at 4. They dropped to 8 in the AP. I mean this is ridiculous. The coaches poll dropped him seven spots. So I think all of us should feel great about Indiana and who they are right now. Eight and a half, seven point dog. You know, I think it closed at seven and a half. I think I saw it eight and a half some places earlier in the week. To go in there and then win it means that we also think Oregon is that impressive. And so this starts to turn in some of the standing stuff that I can't stand or the recency bias of recent losses. But you know, the coaches poll has Oregon 9 and LSU 10. I don't think those teams are close right now. So I have them four. I might be wrong, but I think having them ninth is wrong too. Number five, Can I put Texas Tech there? I wrote it down, then I cross it off. I'm going to go with A and M at 5. They're 4 in both polls. 1414 in the first quarter. The never quit Gators on the road. College Station. Are they going to pull this thing off? No. They held Florida one of ten on third down. Here's some third down numbers for you with his A and M defense. A and M is number one in the country in opposing third down. It had to be because these SEC numbers are nuts. So they're allowing a third down conversion on 20.5% of attempts. I even, I didn't even want to round up to 21. I just wanted that 20.5 number. And so I gave them the non rounding bonus against sec teams on third down because A&M's now played three SEC games all at home, which is obviously a little strange. Start the season all three games at home. As far as SEC schedules go, theirs is not the most daunting. They're going to have lsu potentially. I'll be there for that one. They're going to be at Missouri and then they're going to be at Texas the rest of the way. But you Know, you look at that and then look at South Carolina, look at Oklahoma, like, good luck. So back to this third down number. They gave up one third down conversion to Florida, one to Mississippi State. Auburn was 0 of 13 on third downs. So again against the SEC on third down right now, 2 of 33. I've talked about Marcel Reed probably too much. A younger guy who's super dynamic. I'm going to hope McShay starts to use this. He won't, because I'm going to suggest it, but I want him to. I want like the dumbest thing anyone has ever invented in sports conversation or a phrase, sports terminology. The worst thing that's ever happened in this industry is when somebody describes a basketball player saying that he scores the basketball. I don't think there's any cliche I despise more than that one.

[Kyle]

1.

[Ryan Marcillo]

It's so stupid because what you're trying to do is you're trying to make something really simple sound like not even complicated, but impressive. We love doing that stuff. NFL film people love doing that stuff. Breaking it down, it's like, well, what is this? Well, let me pause a second. Make this sound far more complicated. It's like banking, right? So I don't know that I'm necessarily doing this, but I'd like to the draft people to incorporate this phrase, his throw Delta. Because I think the delta between the good throws and the bad throws from our soul. Reed could be an issue for them. Up one score, 24 17, just the start of the fourth quarter. He thinks he has man coverage. Throws into the end zone. He doesn't have man coverage. It's intercepted in the end zone. At least it was third and seven. All right, it wasn't first down, but in that spot you just want the field goal. So look, does Reid have a concerning throw Delta? I. If McShay says it at some point, seriously, it's going to make my season. Number six, Texas Tech. They might end up being number three. They could be a three seed this year. Take a look at this. I mean, they beat Kansas, Morton, the quarterback out a third time in a game this year. Day to day now with the leg, according to this morning. But they've got Will Hammond, who we touched on obviously in that Utah game. Their number three defensively in opposing yards per play. The schedule here, Arizona State, we'll see what happens with Levitt. They played Jeff Green, I mean, Jeff Sims in their game on Saturday did not work out for them as Utah smashed them. They've got so Arizona State, who knows what Happens with Levitt. Then Oklahoma state, Kansas state, BYU who's 15th in the country today because I think you just start running out of teams to rank. They did beat Arizona in double overtime. Fafita, my guy, he's back to freshman year. Fufita a little bit there. Colorado, are they okay like the rest of the schedule? Like I'm reaching if I'm bringing up Colorado as a potential like tough in conference opponent, maybe it's, I mean look rank wise the BYU game, they're undefeated. Bachmire, he's still out there running around. UCF, West Virginia. So look they have, they play four of the bottom 16 teams in the 12 team Big 12 that are combined to have one conference win as of right now. So I don't see how Texas Tech isn't going to the playoffs. Although look, I thought Penn State was still going to get in after their Oregon loss. Number seven, Bama allowed 6.9 yards per carry against Georgia. Held the number one running back in college football, hardy with Mizzou to only 52 yards. This was a tough game. Mizzou's good. Ty Simpson is even better. The two fourth down throws late. The four receivers now start to feel like Bama has after Williams and Jeremy, they've got two other guys now. I think the offensive line is short things up here quite a bit after that disastrous start. And they have three ranked wins in a row. Number eight, Ole Miss. People have them higher than me. Go ahead. There's something weird about this team. They're six zero. That was a game against Washington State who had lost. Look, north, the Mean Green are a really good football team. Washington State lost to them 59 to 10. And I know Washington State's in a couple different things a quarterback this year, but you know, they go up a score and then Washington State scores again. It's like how is Ole Miss still in this game? And you know, like sometimes it's a yardage thing. You can go, hey, they went for it on fourth down opening series thinking like hey, let's just put this game to bed. But if it were just that, it'd be fine. But it's, it's not just that. It's the Arkansas game, it's the Kentucky game. Yeah, I mean they blasted the other two teams, you know, a two lane team, that's okay. And they have the LSU win. But you know, I don't even know how impressive an LSU win. Like it's good but it's not like oh my God. So look, I'm telling you right Now, I don't know. Ole Miss, they've got at Georgia, at Oklahoma next to. So we'll find out. Speaking of Georgia, my God, Auburn, Everybody actually feels bad for you. Auburn, that doesn't happen very often. George is down 10 zip. Auburn's going in for a touchdown. That's going to make it 17 zip. Jackson Arnold fumbles at the goal line. Look, by the technical term of breaking the plane, you can talk yourself into him absolutely breaking the plane when he. Joe goes into dive. I thought the punch coming in from the Georgia defender. You could also make the argument that the ball is starting to move. Perhaps before that, but since it was ruled a fumble on the field, it was going to be tough to overturn. I thought they. I thought McDonough was a little more hysterical about it, but McDonough. And he's the most versatile sports broadcaster in the business. I grew up on him, all right? So I love him. But man, when he finds that one thing that he doesn't like in a game, whether it's a play call that doesn't work out, fourth and one was interesting. That was. That's one they'll regret. Greg, when there's a call that doesn't go right or something that a coach does, he is going to fucking hammer that point for like the next two hours. And it's chaos on the plains in a way that feels so specific. As much as we see chaos throughout the college football landscape on a Saturday when it's chaotic in Auburn, it's just a little different. So you have this play, it's a disaster for Auburn. They're going to be up 17 nothing the next two games of, I think game time, take like 30 minutes of real time. Reviews all over the place. You had the clapping, not clapping, timeout thing from Kirby later on, which, look, he clearly called the timeout. But when he said that I was clapping, he was referencing the defenders clapping, and that kind of got lost in the broadcast, which again, those guys aren't going to hear that because we get to see the audio or listen to the audio with it as he's pointing to the defenders. But he, he clearly went to go call a timeout on top of everything else. The point is that Auburn, after that thing goes against them and people are actually starting to maybe feel bad for Hugh Freeze, which we probably didn't think. Auburn on its next five real possessions, not counting the end of the first half, five possessions, 50 total yards. That play wrecked them. And here's the thing, like Auburn's, it's tough to say they're good, but they're not bad. Defense is really good. Georgia couldn't run it against them like they were trying to run between the tackles. It's like this isn't going to work. And Stockton, who I think that fourth down throw against Tennessee is a bit of an aberration and not necessarily really who he is. You know, when they needed it, they had the drives 20 straight points. But like I think Georgia, and this is the thing that I was talking about with Danny, like, yeah, I like all these teams. I think these are tough teams to be. But I'm not blown away by I think any of the teams from the SEC so far staying in the sec. I'll give it to Tennessee. A scare from Taylor, Green from Arkansas, whatever. By the way, I have another Auburn number. Defensive yards per play allowed 22nd yards per completion 1 27th. That's going to just wreck Q Freeze Iowa's 129. So they're still ahead of them. All right, what do I do at 11 here? LSU is 10th in both rankings ahead of Tennessee. Georgia Tech's 12th in both rankings. Resume wise, if you want to do LSU, Clemson, common opponent. LSU's win is at least at Clemson. Georgia Tech's at home. I mentioned that Wake thing and it's like, wait, you like Georgia Tech now after they beat Virginia Tech? Yeah, leave me alone. I know they're 1 and 2 in the conference and 2 and 5 overall. But if I'm going head to head on this, even if I want to say like, hey, Georgia Tech 60 LSU has loss resume wise. I don't know, I mean it's probably still lsu. I have some LSU numbers by the way. SEC network, great job. Rogers Cole, Tom Hart, they were sharing some Nussmeyer arm strength numbers that were alarming. So the first one on passes of 25 or more air yards in 2024, which is last year for Nussmeyer, he was 13 of 47 on those throws. Six touchdowns, one pick. This year he's 1 of 12 on those throws, no touchdowns, one pick. The 1 of 12 is 126 out of 134 D1 quarterbacks Teamworks data. They've got chips in the balls. Velocity, torque, spin, the whole deal. So I guess there's a couple different things. I guess there's chips in the balls during practice and they were saying that over the course of practice. The data from Nussmeier's throws in practice, like you can see that the arm strength drops off by midweek like, well that doesn't sound very good. Every week this happens. So teamworks, they put this stat up and they said out of 177 qualifying quarterbacks in college football, measuring their arm strength. All right, this is actually apparently in games now, velocity, some of these other things, how long it takes the ball to travel from this distance to that distance, that Nussmeyer's arm ranks 172 out of 170. They're a incredibly frustrating team, but I think resume wise, I'll still give them 11th. Georgia Tech 12th. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Having insurance isn't the same as having State Farm. It's like needing an offensive guard but getting an elementary school crossing guard. 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[Danny Cannell]

Fine.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.

[Danny Cannell]

What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the south. I have every toy you can possibly imagine.

[Ryan Marcillo]

And best of all, kids, I am liquid.

[Danny Cannell]

So now you know what's possible.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. The email address lifeadvice rrmail.com you know me, I get pretty emotional about this stuff. So I'll try to keep it together. It's the last show. I can't technically say where I'm going. I guess I'm going to have an announcement today, but everybody already knows. But whatever. Just trying to follow the rules here. I think it's now safe to say something that we've known here for a while. Saruti, Kyle, are both coming with me on this new endeavor. So everything you've heard on the show, it's going to basically be the same show. I don't see anything that would be different, except for maybe a banner in the background, which I didn't know that I always wanted because I like the waves as well. But I do want to thank the audience, and I know it goes without saying, but none of this stuff happens without you and leaving ESPN and feeling like you're kind of starting over and wondering, hey, am I ever going to be one of those guys? Am I ever going to be one of those guys? Am I going to be somebody who's got enough juice to figure out a way to carve out? I would look at the people I was friends with. I would look at the people that were older than me. Now I feel like I'm older than people. But that was definitely a time where I was just ready for a change. And it feels kind of cool now because I feel the exact same way. So thank you to the audience because again, none of this happens without you responding to, you know, whether it was stuff at ESPN and then cranking it up to another level here with Spotify and Ringer. All right, so again, we'll have. We'll have. I'll post a video on. On Twitter and then Instagram where it's mostly some instructions. Yeah, yeah. I may pivot on Instagram or just photography, but it's related to pictures.

[Ceruti]

Dude. That's what that. The guy Tom from MySpace did. He just got his money and he spends all of it taking pictures around the world.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, I still have to work.

[Ceruti]

Tom from MySpace. Yeah, I know.

[Ryan Marcillo]

All right, here's one. Hi, I'm a new listener. Enjoy your life advice segment. I gather from the pod that Ryan's quote thing is lifting and working out. I am genuinely perplexed by this because in every photo of Ryan, I see he appears to be a fat fuck. I don't get it. So, again, thank you so much to the audience for being there.

[Kyle]

You guys really got me through some stuff.

[Ryan Marcillo]

You know, as much as you tell me, I helped on the commute or, you know, you did the same for me. So again, people helping people. Yeah. My appreciation. All right. I lied to my wife about something dumb. 37-612-50. Player comp would be late career Ben Wallace. Most days. This is nice. I like this. All right. Most days, I try to pack some healthy snacks for my day at work. I'll often eat an apple on my drive home. I'll be eating an apple on my drive home. Once I get to the core, I toss it out the window into the woods as I drive to actually get it far enough off the Road and actually into the woods. There has to be some velocity. You just love throwing that thing out the window. Let's not lie. Dudes love throwing sky.

[Ceruti]

Hook it out the driver's side.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah. Nice. That, Kyle. That might be the move.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Last month, I accidentally rolled down the wrong window of the car. The backseat window instead of the front passenger window. So when I flung the apple core, it smashed against the closed window, leaving a sticky splat of apple residue. Honestly, I kind of forgot about it once I got home, the window had been rolled up and down, leaving a trail of sticky apple residue. Of course, my wife noticed, and I played dumb, blamed it on our kids, and offered to go clean it up. Well, this exact same thing happened this week, and now she's been interrogating our kids, trying to figure out who keeps getting gross shit on the car window. I kind of backed her up, like, yeah, kids, if this was you, please let us know. And just don't do it again. Poor kids. You're sitting there, they're fighting bunk beds like, you did it. No, you did it. I didn't do it, but tried to get her to take it a little easy, knowing that it was my dumb ass and went to clean it up again. I can't say anything right. I just need to chalk it up to being a relatively insignificant thing and make sure it'll roll down the right window. Thanks in advance. Yeah.

[Ceruti]

I think the good news is that even when kids did do the thing, 90% of the time, it's. I don't know. So you could. This all tracks. And, you know, you've certainly taken one for the team before. I think you can get this one. Stop doing that, though, man. I understand that sometimes the window gets, you know, you think your hand is one place, but it's actually, you know, another way, and you got the wrong windows. But, I mean, if you're throwing an apple out the window, you really got.

[Ryan Marcillo]

To make sure you don't feel the.

[Ceruti]

Wind coming out of the.

[Kyle]

That's what I say. Am I the only one that's confused here? Like, two separate times, you didn't realize, like, the wrong.

[Ryan Marcillo]

He did once, and then I think he did it again. Right. No, no.

[Kyle]

Listen, I've opened the wrong window before, but I've realized that I've opened the wrong window.

[Ceruti]

Yeah, before you launch something.

[Kyle]

Yeah, that feels kind of insane. But, hey, we'll look past it.

[Ryan Marcillo]

You're right. He did do it twice. He did. It was him. Yeah.

[Kyle]

Do we know how old the kids are? Are they, like, Actually able, because I'm.

[Ryan Marcillo]

88, 24.

[Kyle]

Because I'm @ the age now where, like, my daughter will just straight tattletale. And it's kind of getting, you know, if you want to, you know, if you want to, like, play some games or whatever, you'd be like, no, you did it. Oh, you did it. Yo do. You did it. But she, like, now she's kind of more believable than ever, and she'll just straight up tell on me. So I'm getting a little bit in trouble if I, like, say a bad word or something or we do something we're not supposed to do. And she's like, daddy did this. And it's like, whoa, whoa. Like, I don't have, like, I don't have, like, oh, she's lying. Automatic trigger that I can fall back on now. So if they're, you know, if they're older than, like, three here, you're kind of screwed because your kids might tell on you.

[Ceruti]

Well, it just needs to stop. And this will just eventually go away.

[Kyle]

Well, that's true.

[Ceruti]

It just needs to stop, man.

[Kyle]

Have some better awareness.

[Ceruti]

At first time, it was a freak accident. It's like, you know, you fuck up big time at work, and then if it happens again, you're like, okay.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Like, you can't. You can't do that.

[Ceruti]

This needs to stop. I'd say, go adopt a skyhook.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I like the skyhook. He did say Ben Wallace and not Steve Nash, so he wasn't lying on that.

[Kyle]

Get a sunroof. Can you use the sunroof instead? That one you probably weren't going to mistake for the wrong window.

[Ceruti]

Yeah, the technique has to change. It's not a one off.

[Ryan Marcillo]

You know, what you need to do is like, it seems a little ridiculous, but I'll go through phases. Especially when I lived in Connecticut and I lived in the condo, I kept having this. This moment of forgetting that if I locked the door or not. Now, some people will tell you that that just speaks to one's creativity because these mundane details just can't kick up. But then I would. I would pull out of the driveway, and then I would drive, and I'd be like, did you lock the door? And I kept. I was like, why are you doing this over and over and over again. And so then I had to break it. I had to break the habit. Same way if I have some sort of crutch phrase or word, although, monologues, who knows? But I'll just write the word out and then cross it Off. And the visual part has helped me for having to talk on the air for this long. But with locking the door, I had to get to the point where I audibly would say, door is locked. I know that sounds insane, but at least I had a reference to. Then go back and be like, you went through the exercise of doing this, so you may need to roll down the window and be like, window is open. I mean, it may sound like Tron, but you're already by yourself anyway. And it's better than whatever you're dealing with. But the other thing that I would add to this is the dilemma of do I tell? It has everything to do with what your wife is like. Okay? Because if your wife is cool in that fun personality way that you can have, like your friends that probably have the healthiest marriages where the two can fuck with each other and they don't make a big deal out of the small stuff. Although people make a big deal out of the small stuff. Maybe when some other things are broken and then it just all gets baked into this stew of regret. But. Sorry, that was heavy. Yeah. But if your wife is, somebody can be like, hey, I have to tell you something. I'm lying to you about the apple thing. It's not the kids, it's me twice. And I was super embarrassed. Like, I did it twice. And if she can laugh at what a moron you are for covering this up and then having the kids be interrogated, even if she's like, you idiot or whatever, like, that's the best.

[Kyle]

You made the right call.

[Ceruti]

It is a funny story too. Just listening to him tell. It's not like I was eating. I know I shouldn't be eating cereal in the car or whatever. Like, this was an actual funny things.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Like, you can, you know, you could.

[Ceruti]

Sort of visualize how it happened. That takes the edge off a little bit.

[Kyle]

The other thing too is a little bit confusing. Is like one of your kids sitting in the front seat. Like, how explainable is this? Like, if it was the back left or back right seat, you're like, oh, yeah, okay, even the passenger seat. But if it's the driver's side seat, your kids are, how are you going to be like, yeah, it's the second time. And they just like sitting there. It's like, what? Why are they sitting there?

[Ceruti]

Little Timmy has got a hell of an arm throwing cross body from the back of the Sienna.

[Ryan Marcillo]

The problem is we have a lot of guys listening to this. Being like, my wife wouldn't think this was funny at all. And that might be our guy. Why he's emailing like this.

[Kyle]

He's nervous.

[Ryan Marcillo]

It's two completely different paths of advice based solely on you knowing your wife better than we do.

[Ceruti]

Your scouting report.

[Ryan Marcillo]

You've never even met her, so you have to know the answer to that. Because if it is something, it was like, six months from now, you can't find parking, and she's going in that apple thing from last summer. So good luck. All right, Bend the knee or walk away. Is this about Game of Thrones?

[Kyle]

You just missed Schuster.

[Ryan Marcillo]

30 years old, living in New York City, slightly above average height. All right, going to try and keep things vague, out of paranoia. You won't even give us your height. Player comp, Austin Reaves with a little less flash. Having Austin Reeves over at my house the other day. Name drop. He is boring in the best way possible and then is such a fucking killer. Just the way he'll kind of observe something or answer something. We were taping a podcast with fleek, so it wasn't like Austin Reeves hit me up, was like, hey, Ryan, do you want to hang out with me today?

[Kyle]

A lot of drops.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, a lot of drops.

[Kyle]

Geez.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Jake Laravia was over here.

[Ceruti]

There was a lot of dudes on that.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Laravia was massive. Which led to a text from JJ Redick, which I'm not going to share.

[Kyle]

With the audience again. Just names the last show. You're like, hey, listen, look at all the people I know. Just dump them out.

[Ryan Marcillo]

If I was really that fat motherfucker, you think all these cool people be at my house.

[Kyle]

All right?

[Ryan Marcillo]

Or the.

[Kyle]

What is it the wife or the girlfriend of the email from last pot is not going to like that comment.

[Ryan Marcillo]

No, I mean, she would have hated. I mean, you want to talk about, like, the stuff I started talking about on Friday show? He's like, no, just give it another chance. She's never listening again after that. Friday. All right. I really didn't even know what that last comment was, other than me just trying to find a way to go back at the first email a little bit here on the way out. All right, so bend the knee. Player comp, Austin Reeves. I'm friends with him. Cool. We already covered that. The real comp might be udry heavy on the mid range. Pull up. Banu could. Isn't that a nice little run there? Pull up to great effect.

[Kyle]

Was he nice?

[Ryan Marcillo]

What?

[Kyle]

Was he nice, Bano? Yeah, he's kind of nice.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, I liked him. The spurs liked him back then. It was like the spurs like him, he must be legit. Let's get to business. Sorry, Serti. Nah, that's fine, shrimp. Tighten that up. Been seeing a girl for four years. It's time to make a decision. She's waiting around for a ring, but I haven't been able to do it. Not sure if it's a mental block or what, but I am an indecisive dude. Haven't had a lot of serious relationships before, so I spent a lot of time single and has always been a party. We even took some time off at one point, but ended up back together. The question is simple. How do you know when it's nut up or shut up, AKA pop the question or walk away if it matters. We're prolly not probably prolly similar on the attractiveness scale. All in all, she's more impressive than me. I think one thing is very clear here. When it's a potential marriage thing and you take a break and you get back together, the stakes are higher. All right? Like, all of the. And it's been four years, man. But most people aren't that chill about this. But, you know, it's almost like being fired from a job and then getting a second chance from the same employer. Like, you're just. You have to be that much better the second time around if you're given that chance, you know, like, don't ask for fucking vacation if you get a second chance at a job. I don't know that it happens that often. Do people get a second chance at the workplace more often than relationships? Probably not. It's probably relationships a little bit more. More. But as somebody that's dabbled in this area of a pretty serious relationship, breaking up, getting back together, I knew the entire time. I was like, I'm going to have to put a ring on it, Beyonce.

[Ceruti]

And I just want to know what.

[Ryan Marcillo]

And then I broke up again.

[Ceruti]

Right?

[Kyle]

I mean, I was going to say we know the end of the story.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah.

[Ceruti]

There wasn't a Shyama twist coming. I wonder what he means.

[Ryan Marcillo]

What are her words?

[Ceruti]

Or when he's saying she's waiting on a ring, is that just you using your intuition saying that? Or is she dropping hints, comments? Is her family talking to you about stuff? I'd like to know what level of urgency. Is it all in your head or is it very plainly laid out for you every day of your life?

[Kyle]

Did she give you a time, hey, I want to be engaged, or by this. This time?

[Ceruti]

Or like, every time you plan a trip out in three weeks, is she like, well, I Don't know. You tell me. Should I have my nails done for this one? Is there going to be pics? Like, you know, I wonder, like, how. How much she's actually saying this and how much you're thinking it.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Don't book a trip to Venice and don't propose is another tip I would throw in there. Let's go through it, guys. You. You guys are the husbands on this pod. Rudy, were you given an ultimatum?

[Kyle]

Not an ultimatum, but it was like, you know, hey, this is kind of what I want. And I had to. I had to either get in line or get out, essentially. And I knew that I wanted to marry her, but it was like, you know, it's just like a little bit of a scary notion. But she definitely put the pressure on me. Not in, like, a bad way. I needed. I needed the pressure on me. Otherwise, I'd just be cool, like, doing what we were doing. But, yeah, she put a little pressure on me. We got engaged, and, I mean, it was. It was the right call. Sometimes you need a little shove in that direction. My concern for this guy is, like, do you want to get married? Like, is.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I don't know. We just.

[Kyle]

Do you feel like. You feel like you're obligated? Like, I don't. I don't know. I guess the first thing you'd have to ask yourself is, like, do you want to marry this person? Like, okay, yes or no?

[Ryan Marcillo]

He may not know what that means, though. I think that's the problem.

[Kyle]

So it's no. That's a no.

[Ceruti]

You might be looking at it like college, you know, like now. Now a lot of people are like.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Dude, you don't have to go to.

[Ceruti]

College or all these. But, like, you know, I think people, for people like my age and younger than us or older than. Than me, it was just sort of like, which college are you going to? So it's sort of like, maybe, which person are you going to marry? I don't know if he's like, if he just thinks he has to, you know, should he look outside the SUNY system or do you think he, you know, does he think he could do better or is he just like, you know, we have to pick one of these schools eventually.

[Kyle]

Is she a safety school? Who knows?

[Ceruti]

Yeah, right? Like, dizzy. Do you just think you have to get married? So I don't.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I don't know. I mean, LBJ took some time off, started teaching Mexican kids how to speak English, and he went back. I'm reading a Lyndon Day Johnson. I'm reading the LBJ books right now.

[Ceruti]

The books.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Books, plural.

[Ceruti]

One doesn't do it for you.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Arkansas/Hoosier Mike from the gym. A guy from the gym listens to the show. Hopefully he hears this. He came up to me at gym, he's a huge history guy and was like, hey, have you ever read the Robert Caro Lyndon Bain Street, Lyndon Baines Johnson books? And I was like, no, I haven't. And he was almost taken and he brought me one of the books. So then he brought me part two and I was like, well, I have to go back and read part one. I can't read part two. And he's like, no, you can. And I was like, no, I want to start from the beginning. I knew I didn't like LBJ for a bunch of reasons. It is unbelievable reading this amazing book that is so well written in every chapter, you hate him more and more. And it's like I signed up for 800 pages of this just for part one. And I can't put it down. It's such an odd thing. Like everything about him from a child.

[Kyle]

Give us an example. Like what? Like what?

[Ceruti]

Because I don't know if that makes you hate child.

[Kyle]

Lbj, he was one and done. Right? He was the host, Nixon. And then it was like, but he didn't he make that choice. I don't want to be president or Kennedy.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Correct. Yeah. Something happened there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they brought him in because of Texas, so for the ticket. But I'm sure there's far more expansive reasons for all this stuff. Because like one of my all time fuck ups on the pod is when I talked about student debt relief. And I just read that book about student debt and how it started was LBJ working it out with the banks and everything. Because the banks were like, we're going to have this be put in place. We have to make sure it works out for us. And it also had to work out for LBJ too.

[Kyle]

Banks that fuck them kids, basically.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah. But when I was bitching about this one media member, I was thinking about what she said and how dumb it was. And it actually was a mistake on my part. But there was a reason for the mistake. Because I was deep in the origin of the student loan program because LBJ would talk about, hey, I was this guy, he went to this teacher's college, which wasn't even accredited college. All right, so a couple quick examples. His father was a politician, but his father went broke because his father was a big dreamer. And they worked this hill country, I believe, west of Austin, which the first settlers were totally tricked by the landscape and thinking that it was a sustainable place that could, you know, they could raise cattle, they could have a farm, this whole thing or whatever. And basically the land was actually like a mirage, right? It was like described as a trap because once the terrain was ruined, it wasn't going to regrow fast enough and the soil wasn't deep enough. And all these different things, like all of these people that were settling there actually went broke because it was like a horrible long term farming decision based on land. So that's part of the family that he comes from. So his father's this dreamer politician. He's pretty good at it. He's not making any money in politics, decides to invest. So they go from a family that's important in Johnson City to. And he actually was not related to the founding, I guess, people named after the city. But he would let people think that was true. He had his whole world kind of turned upside down because his father's now broke and he's like, destitute and he's sort of a local pariah because he owes all this money, he owes all these creditors and whatever. So LBJ is like, annoying. He's the oldest. He worshiped his father. Then he sort of hated his father because of this. He used to steal a car all the time and then wreck it. And then he would run away from home and his father would be like, where are you? And he'd be like, you have to promise and get mama to promise that you're not going to yell at me for stealing the car again, okay? And they'd be like, all right, no problem. And then they bring him back in. And then his father would be like, you know, you wrecked my fucking car. And he's like, you promised. Our deal was that you can't yell at me because of all this stuff. And then he'd walk around town and he would like kiss a ton of ass with like, older women. That was sort of weird. He went to a dance where he tried to like steal this guy's girlfriend. He got his ass absolutely handed to him. So then he dicked around. He went to California, worked as a lawyer's apprentice who apparently was like this lawyer that was doing pretty well in San Berdu who then was dating some young starlet and just went on a two month drinking bender while his wife went back to Texas. And LBJ and this other guy had to try to figure out a way to keep this practice going. So then he goes back to Texas he works a road crew, Gravel, rocks, the whole deal. They were like. He was the worst physical labor guy ever. Weak despite his height, was always broke, was always borrowing money for everybody. So then he finally gets to college. He gets completely hooked up because his cousin is dating, like, the football star. So he gets to live with the football star for free. Tries to join their secret society. Everybody in the entire thing's like, no, this guy sucks. He was known as Bull Johnson on campus because he was so, so full of shit that he literally lied about everything the entire time. No matter what he did, he would just lie and lie. He used to tell people he was great at fighting. He had never won a fight in his life. Some guy tried to fight him in a poker game, and he jumped onto a bed and started kicking in the air, being like, I'll kick you if you.

[Ceruti]

The younger brother, move.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Nice. Yeah, right, right. He lived in the apartment for free. Then he kissed, like, the dean's ass so much that the dean just gave him sort of like a position. And they borrow money from everybody, not pay it back. It's unbelievable reading these origin stories. You're like, this guy was destined to be president. So I can't wait. I'm only a lot of. I've got a lot of volumes to get through. So normally you'd be like, why would you want to keep reading about this guy that you hate more and more as you keep learning more and more about him? It's so entertaining. He became the editor of the school newspaper in college because the other editors were gone during the summer. So then he just said, hey, I'm editor. Lied. Said that he had experience, right? And then he'd spent, like, writing these fawning approvals of all the faculty, just being like, oh, this professor's awesome. And this woman who was like, everybody hated. He'd be like, she brings energy into the room. She glows. She reminds me of my ma. And it's just all the jocks, except for this one football star was dating his cousin. We're like, this guy sucks. No girls liked him. He court daughters. And the fathers would be like, absolutely not. And they'd be like, definitely not. Because the dad's a loser and the son's going to be a loser, too, except he became president. Wow. A lot of stuff. All right. So, yeah, good luck on your engagement.

[Kyle]

That was a ton of stuff.

[Ceruti]

That was a metric ton of stuff about lvj.

[Ryan Marcillo]

All right. We teased this one a while back. I wasn't sure if it was real or not. But let's go out with a big one. My grandpa. Excuse me? My grandma died and now my grandpa won't stop getting hookers. I'm 33. My 77 year old grandpa completely unraveled after my grandmother died. Naming his dog after her, getting catfished by a fake girlfriend in Greece, DMing his grandson's ex, asking to be her sugar daddy, stalking a woman's address after one day and now apparently paying for escorts on the regular. My mom and her sisters want to ban him from family gatherings. Do we cut him off or try to save him from himself? 5, 10, 1, 7, 5. Oh, this guy wrote an intro. It was a prologue to the email. Well, that's fitting. I played Thursday night pickup at a church gym with a mix of younger guys in their 50s. Full court mandatory, mandatory two, three zone. Everything's a one. My player comp is Matthew Delavadova. All hustle, no grace. I was a D3 All Conference Cross country track guy in college, so I can run forever but shoot worse than Lakers arrow Russell. If I could say anything to the pickup guys out there, how much better would we all be if we didn't get tired? I just wish I didn't get tired, but I do. I do. I hate it. Anyway, let's talk about my grandpa detonating our family using real names here because my grandpa doesn't know what a podcast is. Well, I don't know.

[Ceruti]

He's learning new stuff every day, it sounds like. I wouldn't be so sure.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Who knows? He's like. He's like, why is call her daddy coming up constantly, the old ones. My grandma passed away in February. One week later, Grandpa Bob, 77, bought a dog and named it. I'm not going to use your grandmother's name here, just. Yeah, right. Anyway, he doesn't need that. He named the dog after his dead wife seven days after she died. That's not normal. Bob is a certified loose cannon. For the record. Further context. Two years ago, we caught him trying to wire money to Josh Allen because Josh DMed him asking for help getting to a Bills game. So that's the baseline of Internet literacy here. Okay, that's a bummer, man. Probably made the game. He doesn't. So probably a lot of Bills fans owe your grandfather a debt of gratitude. Bob claims it was his wife's final wish that he find someone younger. She was 10 years older than him, and he insists she didn't want him to be lonely. Suspicious claim, but whatever. I don't know. I don't know that that's that suspicious, who knows? Dude, can you imagine the weird shit your 80 year old grandparents talk about when none of us are around? I know.

[Ceruti]

I mean, even the shit they talk about when you are around, as they get closer and closer to just the stuff they, they want you to do, the shit they want to give you.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Blah, blah, blah, like, you know, it's.

[Ceruti]

It just gets like, there's no decorum about it anymore. It's like, all right, now's the part of the visit where we're talking about this stuff.

[Ryan Marcillo]

And if you think about like how often the human mind thinks about sex and then the shackles of like caring to your point, Kyle, or just gone. That's the recipe for disaster. I remember my last surviving grandparent. She died last year. I would go to visit her every six months, which is something I felt like doing because I had another grandmother in the nursing home. And I was a selfish early 20s prick who was just too caught up in his own shit. Kept putting off the visit. She died. I hadn't seen her in like two years. And it was. Could have been more convenient for me to go visit her. I didn't. So it always bothered me. So I would go on my way with the last grandparent that I had and I would say there was a couple visits there towards the end where I was like, I don't want to hear about who was who. Okay.

[Kyle]

Nursing home.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, I just don't. I don't want to hear about any of this stuff. All right. So anyway.

[Kyle]

But it's like college at the end of your life again, it's very strange. The nursing home. Yeah, they're just like, they're talked about this. It's the STD thing. Like I got a couple great aunt. I don't have any grandparents left, unfortunately, but I've got a couple great aunts. And yeah, they're not afraid to let it fly. Like, there's just a lot of.

[Ryan Marcillo]

There's just a lot of things that.

[Kyle]

They don't, they don't really care and they're gonna share. Sex, pills, things like that. I'm just like, okay, we're just talking about this at Thanksgiving. All right, sure. And I just think that you just kind of like you get to that age, you don't have, you know, you're back in this like, dorm with a bunch of other people and it just, it's on again, apparently.

[Ceruti]

Right. You could just knock on someone's door. Crazy.

[Kyle]

Yep.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Thank God to the nurses out there. I don't know how you do it.

[Ceruti]

Yeah. It would be a great TV show if it wasn't so gross, you know, the press. The premise of it wasn't.

[Ryan Marcillo]

It's like.

[Ceruti]

It's kind of funny, but it's just like if the premise of it wasn't so. All right, so, Rudy, here you go.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, I don't. Jesus, man.

[Ceruti]

Say something.

[Danny Cannell]

I can't sit here.

[Ceruti]

That's the last thing we just said. We're just not saying anything. I hate this.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I just started thinking about the pilot for the show. Don't.

[Ceruti]

No, let's not.

[Kyle]

Let's not. Dude.

[Ryan Marcillo]

What's the cliffhanger in that one? Well, then somebody dies. Like, well, no shit. All right, but why am I. What's season three? Will you get to replace the entire cast?

[Kyle]

True. Yeah.

[Ryan Marcillo]

It's like a limited series inside a long running series. Imagine being cast for that.

[Ceruti]

You'd. I think the move would be you want to be one of the staff.

[Ryan Marcillo]

That's the.

[Ceruti]

That's the good job.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Right.

[Ceruti]

Probably get a nice through line.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Like, somebody would say to Denise Richards, like, hey, like, oh, it's like a nurse, like. And then she would just. Actually, I don't even like saying that to Denise. Denise Richards. I don't like saying that about her at all. The Undercover Brother DVD cover, Phil should be put in time capsules. Be nice to Denise.

[Kyle]

You got it.

[Ryan Marcillo]

All right, so let's get to his game plan here. The real fireworks started this summer when Bob was caught dming one of his grandson's ex girlfriends, age 34, asking if he could be her sugar daddy. This also exposed that he invited another grandson to the local gentleman's club, where he's apparently become a regular. When confronted about the sugar daddy message in strip club visits, he told my aunt he had had a new girlfriend who lives in Greece but is from Delaware. My uncle checked Bob's phone and discovered more horrors. I'll spare the details, but there were unspeakable levels of sexting. My uncle had to explain to Bob that he was being catfished. My aunts. So Bob's three daughters try to redirect him toward community centers or other healthy outlets. One granddaughter even helped him set up a real dating profile. But Bob, being Bob, took a hard left. Yeah, he's not.

[Kyle]

I'm going to.

[Ryan Marcillo]

He's not going to sign up.

[Kyle]

Yeah, that's not going to do it. Not going to do it. Do it. Helping your community out is not what your grandpa's looking for.

[Ceruti]

He's looking for the easy way, dude. He's Not. He's not putting in the legwork.

[Ryan Marcillo]

You know what? I was pretty horny. But this watercolor class killer. After the catfish fiasco and canceling his credit card, he signed up for a sketchy reverse phone lookup service so he could confirm if the women were real. Naturally, this backfired. After one coffee date with a woman in her early 60s, he pulled up her address from her number and showed up at her house with flowers. She was horrified and so were we. Bob thought he'd done nothing wrong. There might be a touch of a little something here. Just, you know, now that he's fully off the leash, there's mounting evidence of paid company being a regular thing. He claims their home. Excuse me, home nursing aides. This week was the breaking point for my mom and her two sisters. My mom's friends saw him at the airport holding a sign for Stefania at arrivals. Come on. This is where I thought it might have been fake. But his three daughters are now done. They want to excommunicate Bob, ban him from all family events, and pressuring his grandkids to do the same. That would cut him off from three daughters, 10 grandchildren, all adults, seven great grandchildren. So, Ryan, here's our multi generational message. Do we actually blacklist grandpa Bob or is there a way to pull him out from this hooker fueled death spiral without nuking the whole family? Additionally, Bob's middle class man does not have the funds to sustain this lifestyle. Is it our responsibility he's going to.

[Kyle]

Be around for a long time at this rate?

[Ryan Marcillo]

Is it our responsibility to intervene before he loses everything? A very real possibility at this rate. Or is he an adult who has to decide his own fate? What's your life of advice for our family? You guys want to go first?

[Ceruti]

This could be like a little bit of grief, right? How long has it been? I mean, his wife did pass away that long ago, right? Earlier this year? I mean, this could be just like a real extended, extended driveway, rough patch that this could. Maybe this is just how he's dealing with this. And maybe he's living longer than he counted on living. I don't know. Maybe he thought this was like a blaze of glory. And it's like, oh, shit, there's still a little bit of road left. I'm not sure. I think what's clear is that you won't have an inheritance. It sounds like the sisters are the people that are most done with this. So maybe look around the team here. Who's the best grandkid to try to talk a little sense to him or maybe try to appeal to his emotional side or something like, man, I miss you, Grandpa.

[Kyle]

This sucks.

[Ceruti]

Who's the best one for the job? Probably not his daughters, who we probably feel have been nagging him about this since February and have been saying that.

[Kyle]

Not the one whose ex. He tried to steal. You. They're probably.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ceruti]

Well, that's what I'm saying. You got to look around, do an honest assessment of the staff here and get somebody to make an appeal. But I think this could really be just a really bad way of dealing with grief that's extended way longer than anyone will have understood. But, I mean, he's got to at least be able to look at the finances and be like, your cash Runway is out of here, man. They don't actually like you. So, I don't know.

[Kyle]

I mean, not to use the college analogy again, but I've seen, like. I've seen this happen with a couple of older dads where the wife will go first, and they've, you know, they've still got years to live, and they just, like, don't know how to exist in the world, like, without their wife. And I think that's definitely a. It seems like a boomer thing, you know? Like, they probably got married young. I'm stereotyping here, but a lot of them get married. They're like, 18, 19, or whatever. They've been together forever, and they don't know any other way of life. Right. And then when that's gone, you kind of don't know what to do. It's kind of like the kid in high school who, like, didn't really drink and wasn't allowed to party, goes to college, and, like, he's just out of control because he doesn't know how to handle himself. That sounds like your grandfather. And I think you just have to have, like. I don't think you excommunicate him right away, but I think, you know, maybe it's a group. It's probably not the sisters. Maybe it's one of them, if they will figure it out. But you've just got to have an intervention here and be like, listen, we are here for you. We know this has been a tough time, but, like, this is unsustainable. You are. You are, like, going to get kicked out of the family, and rightfully so. And if that does. If he doesn't respond to that, then, I mean, obviously then there's really nothing you can kind of do. But I wouldn't just. I wouldn't dump into the Curb right now, like, somebody just has to sit him down, probably a group of you, and just tell him what the deal is and how destructive his life is becoming, also the financial implications of what that is. And then if, you know, hopefully he kind of sees the light and could potentially change. But if not, then, yeah, then maybe that's the. That's the way that you got to be like, hey, hard decisions have to be made, but I think you got to at least have that big conversation with him first and. And likely in a group with a group of people.

[Ryan Marcillo]

All well said. I'll add this. I'm already scared about what I'm going to be like at 80.

[Kyle]

What way?

[Ryan Marcillo]

No kids. Like, if I don't have kids.

[Ceruti]

You'll always have sports, though, dude.

[Kyle]

I was going to say you're going to be on the couch watching games, taking notes, you know.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, that'd be fun. Just doing it.

[Kyle]

Fire up the pod the next day. All right. Sixers, Pistons, third quarter, pin down screen.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I like. I like how he anticipated the pin down and he got outside to just impact the entry path. You know, that's just something. Not everybody has that. Not everybody has that.

[Kyle]

Chris Paul used to do things like this. They still make them like they used to. You know.

[Ryan Marcillo]

There'Ll be these former NBA pods being like, it's been 30 years. Like, these guys are getting worse and worse. The downfall really, like early 2000s, when the league started going. We've been on a 50 year stretch of the league getting worse and worse. Like, oh, and I'll be like, I don't see it that way. Can you imagine a scenario in 30 years, Ceruti, where Marlo is telling you what you can or can't do?

[Kyle]

No, I don't.

[Danny Cannell]

40 years.

[Kyle]

I think I've.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I think I'm pretty under control.

[Kyle]

I do. But I.

[Ryan Marcillo]

But like, oh, so how. What are you, 35?

[Kyle]

30. I'll be 37 in a month.

[Ryan Marcillo]

All right, I'm on it. So 37 in a month. So let's tack on, let's say, because 72 is fine, but you start getting in the late 70s, early 80s. It really depends on kind of like what you're going through. Because I've seen it where the person can be around this age and they feel like, fuck it, you know, it's a little like, what is anyone gonna do?

[Ceruti]

Yeah, what is anyone gonna do?

[Kyle]

Say something to me.

[Ceruti]

I fucking dare you.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Because you can't fight anymore. Right?

[Kyle]

Right.

[Ceruti]

Society just protects you from that.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah. And you're just gonna get. You're 80. You're gonna get fucking worked. But, you know, the next thing would be this, like, all these inhibitions, all this stuff. So, like, yeah, you could sit him down. I mean, you could really let him have it, really lay into him. But there's two things. One, he may not give a fuck what any of you have to say, because that's what happens with some people around this age, especially somebody around this age that's gone through something traumatic. And again, I think Kyle nailed it. Hopefully this is just this kind of window of being eight months since this happened with somebody that long and how much that would really impact you. But now it's on. Now it's spring break forever for him. You just hope it's not forever. But I, you know, I'm not in the position where I've had to tell a parent, like, hey, you shouldn't drive anymore or anything like that, but I know. I know how it would go with one of them.

[Ceruti]

Right?

[Ryan Marcillo]

I know how. It doesn't matter. It does not matter. But that's.

[Kyle]

This. That's not it.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, but it kind of is, though. Like, I'm just telling you, this dude.

[Kyle]

Is, like, fucking his family up. Telling, like, having to tell your parent that they can't drive anymore. It's not like, hey, don't come to the holidays, you know, Like.

[Ryan Marcillo]

No, but I'm just saying, like, the premise of the older person actually accepting this because he's unhinged. I mean, the texting the grandson's ex girlfriend, that's a wild move. Yeah.

[Ceruti]

Is he also getting hammered? Like, I can't even imagine how. Like, what he.

[Ryan Marcillo]

What?

[Ceruti]

Like, what if he was like, I was wasted.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Back off.

[Kyle]

I want to know. Like, were there any indicators too? Like, was he always, like, really buttoned up and now he's just completely off the rails? Or was he always, like a little bit of a wild card? You know, like, maybe saying a couple inappropriate things to a. To a grandson's girlfriend. I don't know. Or is this just completely new behavior?

[Ryan Marcillo]

Yeah, but if it's new behavior, it also means that these are not new thoughts. Like, I don't think that this was. It was either something who was repressing, you know, whatever. I don't. I don't think you just become this person overnight. I think the death can trigger. It can be the catalyst of you deciding, you know what? Screw the world, like, it's me time.

[Kyle]

I've got nothing else to lose.

[Ryan Marcillo]

I'm getting mine, you know, And I don't Want to be. I don't want. Because when you're 77, right, you're not even thinking how old you are. You're like, man, 87 is when it's going to suck, right? So I better get this out of my system now. We can sit here and assume constantly we do this like, oh, when I'm this age, when I'm this age, I'm this age. And it's almost always wrong, but when you're in it, it's you waking up every day. You're like, all right, I got something to offer still. I'm six two, whatever, reasonable shape may not look great with my clothes off, but you know, he's, he's thinking like, I gotta, I gotta make this happen before it happens a little bit later. It'd be great. It'd be great if you could tough love him into this. Have everybody just unload, unload. And just from every single angle battleship just, you know, calling out every single number and letting them have it. But I have seen the other side of this where just. Yeah, okay, fire away, man. Like nothing is going to change my mind. The problem is if you excommunicate him from the family and it sounds like he's going to burn through all this money here. I mean, the Josh Allen Dming thing means this guy just falls for everything. So the problem is once he's broke, who's he going to. He's going back to one of the daughters.

[Ceruti]

So, yeah, try to put this together before it falls apart, man, because it'll get actually worse if you let it fall apart.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Hooker allowance perhaps? Right? Yes, right.

[Ceruti]

Maybe you could set up some sort of direct deposit from Chase, wherever he's getting his annuity from or whatever, and just shoot him like 40 bucks every couple of weeks or he has to.

[Kyle]

Get a use on food and groceries. Right.

[Ceruti]

He'll have to save up, save up his allowance. How bad do you want it?

[Ryan Marcillo]

Well, good luck, man.

[Kyle]

Yeah, this is a tough one.

[Ryan Marcillo]

Keep us posted. The email address Friday Feedback Stuff the email. I get to keep those. So it'll still be lifeadvicer at gmail dotcom and Friday feedback.com so that will do it for us today. I want to thank Jonathan Frias. I also want to thank Marcelino Ortiz and Ceruti and Kyle Ryan re podcast. Bring her Spotify.

[Danny Cannell]

They were gonna name me Michael Jordan. My dad was like, I don't think he can live up to it.

[Ryan Marcillo]

So they named me Michael.

[Kyle]

Jared.

[Ryan Marcillo]

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