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Dart and Caleb Outlooks, and the Disappointing 2026 QB Class With Coach Quincy Avery. Plus, Ryder Cup Talk With Michael Kim
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On today's episode of the podcast, we have Quincy Avery, who is from Elite 11, the QB takeover. He's worked with tons of QBs. The number of guys he's worked with expands every single year. I just think Elite 11 is great for me, at least as a source of information. So he's going to share some of the thoughts that he has on Jackson Dart starting who he thinks should actually be the first pick in the 26 draft, and some really interesting Arch Manning topics. We're going to talk with Michael Kim, fresh off a win on the European Tour. We've had him on before, one of our two golf buddies that we didn't lose from Cal, and we're going to talk Ryder cup, the pairings, the Rory Bryson stuff, the back and forth Scheffler redemption after Rome. You don't hear that a lot. We're saying that today on the podcast and we have life advice, including too much licking. This is the Ryan Rossillo podcast presented by FanDuel, and the NFL is officially back. So if you're going to be in it, be in it with FanDuel. They've got the goods. Futures, live betting, SGPs, that same game, parlays your way, bets, all of it. The app's clean, it's fast, and yeah, when you win, you get paid instantly, which is nice because Sunday patience doesn't exist. So get your bets in, build something bold and make every game feel bigger. Download the FanDuel app or head to FanDuel.com Ryan R Y E N to get started. The ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and help lines available and listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Must be 21 and older and present in select states or 18 plus and President DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 100 Gambler, visit rg-help.com call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut paid endorsement, couple quarterback developments through the league and then also in college football. And a guy I love talking quarterbacks with, it's Quincy Avery, the QB takeover. Also see him every year at Elite 11, so he knows all of these guys. What's up man? It's good to see you. This episode is brought to you by DoorDash. Look, winning every Saturday sounds great, but with doordash streaks, it's actually possible. Order every Saturday and you start to build up the Savings. Up to 250 bucks over the season, including $100 in DoorDash credits, it's simple. Order game day food, drinks and snacks and you get rewarded. Just don't let the winnings go to your head. No need to go full mascot mode in your living room. Doordash order every Saturday. Build up the savings. Win every week. Terms apply. Promo period through 1118.
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B
What up, bro? How you doing?
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A
I'm good. Okay. So Jackson darts getting the start. Russell Wilson getting benched. Least surprising thing ever. That nice little shining moment for him against Dallas's secondary, which we also saw Caleb tear up. So I have some Caleb questions. I have a lot of different stuff. I like Jackson. I thought he was just a kid that played with a real edge when he was at sc. Like, the first time, watching him come in, I'm like, this guy's not. I hope he doesn't try to run anything like that in the NFL, by the way, or he won't last until like, week eight. But you had him a few years back. So what do you think about this decision from the Giants?
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B
I mean, I think it was time. I think everybody can agree that Russell Wilson wasn't the guy who was going to take him where they wanted to go. You draft somebody in the first round, showed real promise in the preseason. I think that a lot of the things that the Giants are going to ask him to do are very similar to the things that Lane asked him to do in college. And I think that's going to give him a real head start and allow him to be fairly successful early on. And like, you were talking about his ability to run, his ability to extend plays, I think he's going to try and lean on that a little more than he should, but it's an ability for stable and that staff to get him just play with some structure.
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A
Yeah, because that, I think because of the running part of you'd be like, hey, is he a little wild? But then I was reading, like, Brer's piece that he reissued again of different people looking at him. It was like, well, Lane gave him more. Lane gave him a lot more of the menu. So what does that mean for us that don't understand the position the way you do? Like, what did you see throughout the Ole Miss years that you can tell that there's more trust and there's more to him than just saying reading a safety or one side of the field?
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B
Yeah. I think that a lot of the things that Lane did as a college offensive coordinator were so scheme heavy that guys would get wide open. Right. So he'd have to do everything Himself. They'd look over to the offensive staff, they'd get a check, then they'd go from there. Jackson Dart started to play with more freedom. He was allowed to make some of these decisions at the line of scrimmage, make some of the protection calls. He just earned a lot more trust in a way that you don't see someone like Lane give a quarterback and that let me know he's going to be more ready than a lot of the guys that you see come out of these offenses when he gets to the NFL.
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A
Okay. All right. Yeah, that's. Can you give me an example then of what that communication is like then, that you see in college? Because we see it all day, every single game, and Saturday you're already rolling your eyes, but tell me, like, take us through. Okay. They break the huddle, they see something, they clap, they look to the side. What's that communication? What are they actually talking to each other about?
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B
So oftentimes they'll just get a dummy call so we don't have a play. We want you to go out in a formation. Let's say we're going to go two by two. Two receivers to the right, two receivers to the left. They'll be detached from the line of scrimmage. We go up there with a dummy call and we want to clap. The reason that we're doing that, by the time we clap, the defense has to show the structure of the concept. They're going to be playing on defense. So as we clap, you'll see the rotation. They may start in, like a two high situation. They roll a safety down, hey, we know we're getting cover three or we know we're getting cover six. We're getting weak rotation. The offensive staff now has this information to base their play call on. So we know what they're going to do on defense. Rather than just starting in a shell and us saying, set, hut, we get to see where they rotated to. Everybody's going to look in unison to the sideline. They're going to give. There's usually a signaler for the receivers, signal for O line, and then the quarterback and running back, they get the signal. Everybody gets on the same page, and they get to run a play that specifically attacks the defense in which they saw after the initial clap.
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A
So is your frustration then, that you're not allowing enough quarterbacks to learn to identify that stuff on their own?
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B
Yeah. When you start running an offense like that, you limit the quarterback's ability to develop and understand defenses and be able to actually make Aggressive plays on their own. Right? So if I make a play call and the quarterback sees a rotation, oftentimes if they can see that on their own and make a call right there, then we can actually attack that defense. Let's say we're getting Sam strong safety, we can block that up. We can throw into the pressure. Now we get these big chunk explosive plays. Defense, at the same time as the offense is making this check, had the same opportunity to get out of their previous play call. So the more that the quarterback understands in terms from what is the defense giving us, how can we attack that on offense, the more explosive you can be as an offense, because a quarterback can now handle more and be more aggressive. So I think that we're really handicapping these guys. And when you get to the NFL that the play clock, I mean, the communication from the coaching staff to the quarterback cuts out at 15 seconds. So you just don't have the opportunity to do these things. And that's why I don't love the college game the same way that I love the NFL.
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A
Okay, that was good. So when you have somebody in Elite 11 and like, maybe we'll keep it positive here, I mean, you know, I know you're never afraid here, but are there examples of we got him in and now he's in the NFL and I'm surprised or know maybe there was. We could also do the list of guys who were like, this guy was like a clear no doubter.
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B
No, I'll talk about someone who, who probably surprised everybody in the elite 11 staff. And I'll be honest and say he surprised me more than anybody. Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels was in the elite 11. We had the finals in Dallas. This is back in the day. And he like rolled his ankle, but not his right ankle, his left ankle. You're playing seven on seven. You can play, right? You have the opportunity to go out there just to tweak the ankle. You're playing with the best of the best. The one opportunity you have to show who you are. And he sat out like he just didn't play, didn't compete, didn't do any of the things immediately. At that point, I wrote him off as a quarterback. I thought, there's no way that this guy is going to be tough enough to play in college, be able to work through adversity that you're going to need to go through in college and turn out to be a successful quarterback. We saw him go to Arizona State, took some nicks, took some bumps and bruises, struggled his first year at lsu. I thought it was over at that point.
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A
By the way, the Arizona State part, when everybody was celebrating him leaving. And, you know, he really looked to be a pretty limited guy offensively. He's like, yeah, he's a sick athlete and he can get out and make some moves and make some guys miss and everything. But when I saw the Arizona State locker room respond like that, I mean, first of all, it was kind of a dick move to do it and then to post the whole thing. But it also told me something. I'm like, damn. So, I mean, I don't.
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B
It confirmed a lot of things that I thought were going on. It confirmed it for me. I'm like, he's not it. And then you see him struggle when he gets to LSU the first year, I'm like, no chance. Seventh rounder, undrafted, and then he had a turnaround unlike anything I'd ever seen. And I think him going through a lot of those different situations have allowed him to be who he is now as a quarterback.
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A
Is there someone that you're still surprised that you loved at Elite 11 and you're like, I can't believe it didn't work out for this person, Tua.
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B
And people might say it worked out, but I don't think that it's worked out great. I think Tua the two best quarterbacks that we've ever seen. Well, top three, C.J. stroud, Tua and Justin Fields, the best three quarterbacks that I think that we've ever seen in our time at Elite 11. Tua shocked me a bit because he was such a precision passer, and I thought that he had the ability to play the game from the neck up, and I thought his arm was strong enough. The more and more I watch him today, he's just so physically limited in terms of being a passer, pushing the ball down the field, that I just don't know how you can have a team that's going to win consistently with Tua as your quarterback. A lot of the guys may be limited with arm strength, but they add a dynamic ability with their legs, their ability to escape in the pocket. Tua just doesn't have any redeeming quality that I think is going to allow him to be really successful for a long time.
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A
I never watched him at Alabama and thought, well, the arm is too limited because, you know, some of these big bombing throws, like, it's cool and all, but it's like you're not really making that throw. It's accuracy. Can you rip it inside? When you see some Sort of like hole in the coverage. And that's what he was. I mean, we could sit there and say, okay, fine, but he was throwing to NFL guys everywhere. But now when I watch him in that. That Bills game in particular, I know they came back and, you know, classic NFL style, you're like, this is actually a game here. But I don't know if it's the concussion part of it, Quincy, where I don't know if they're coaching him to kind of get away from the chaos and then find, like a new throwing lane, because it doesn't seem like he ever wants to stay in there when things are colliding around him. And it's just really hard to, like, get back on platform and make some of those throws. So some of those sideline throws he was trying to make, rolling out to his left was like, none of these even have a chance.
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B
They don't have a chance. He's not even playing with the same level of anticipation that really made him crave, right that first year when McDaniels got there, it was like, okay, he can do some things. And he also would do some zone read, and he'd be getting on the edge and create some stress. He just looks wounded, right? Like, he's been through so much, so much trauma, he's almost scared to get hit. He can't find his find space in the pocket in which he could. Allows him to be a consistent passer. And then anytime he moves or extends a play, the guys just outrun his arm. So you're looking at something like, what are you going to do that's going to allow you to be successful if you can't throw in time, you can't move in the pocket, and you look really limited when you're. When you become a runner.
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A
There was a lot of talk after that pick where Bernard kind of steps in, and then it turned into a debate of TUA versus coverage versus route running. And I mean, it just. It's like, you know, sometimes you sit there and think, I've watched this game a long time. I don't understand the position nearly as well as you guys do, obviously, but there's just these moments you're like, oh, that's a bad pick. And it's like, holy shit, Monday Mondays. So, you know, there are. There are times where it's like the Caleb throw, right? Week one, where he's going to DJ more. And you even had a tweet because everybody's killing Caleb on that throw. And then you're like, did he Just miss somebody in the flat. Like I even had a hard time with Love's pick that he threw. To wit, like it's the Wick's route but it was such a bad interception that I'm like Wix keeps running like that ball had to be thrown him expecting him to stop because it was in the ground or it's the worst pick. Like it's even worse than I originally think it is. Do you come to a definitive conclusion on this stuff?
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B
It's really hard to be really definitive unless I know somebody in the locker room. I'll shoot them a text and try and figure out what happened. Like I really wanted to understand that the two will pick against Buffalo and it was just confused. Like he thought it was one coverage, got a different coverage, started making up his mind a little bit early if it would have been Cover 4 like he was anticipating. He probably doesn't throw that interception. He gets paid a lot of money to see that. So it's still a bad interception. But when it's one of my guys, I think that I do a really good job of like yo, what, what's going on? And more oftentimes than not you'll find out that somebody ran a wrong route. So I try not to kill guys when I. When we see some of those interception that we, we see.
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A
Yeah, because the Caleb one, you know, it does look like Morris sits down a little bit. But again Caleb with his rookie year and then after those first few series it's like, well, I'm supposed to give this guy to the benefit of the doubt. But what have you seen from him? Because the Detroit game gets lost how much better he was because they gave up 50 plus points. And yeah, I mean for all the Caleb criticism, you at least have to look at the Dallas game and go, hey, he was missing wide open guys before, so now, now at least he's hitting these wide open guys. Have you seen enough there that. Well, I don't know what your position is on him right now, but I guess I'll just ask it more open. How do you feel about him?
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B
I think that we have some promise. I'm not ready to say. I think that he's going to be a really good quarterback yet. Think that he's really talented. I think that the offensive staff that he has now is very good for him. He needed structure. Right. There's some guys who get the opportunity ability to just free flow with things, see it, feel it. Caleb got too loosey goosey when he was playing in that way and I think that what is going to allow Caleb to be a special or a top tier quarterback is being able to play within a system. And then when those things break down, you get to see the wow arm throws that he has. He had a throw two weeks ago sprinting as fast as he could to his right, staying flat that he layered over two defenders like a ball that climbed over their hands hits a receiver. I'm like, I know people think that Mahomes may be the most arm talented guy. Caleb Williams throws the ball off platform better than anybody in the NFL and it's not close, right? So he can do those things. But now if he understands how to play within the structure of an offense, I think that he could be one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. And. And he hasn't had the advantage of being coached by a really good offensive staff until this year. You see someone like Mahomes and he's great because he was with Andy Reid. He gave him guardrails in which to play with. He wasn't ready to play when he first got to the league, but now that he has this understanding, he gets to do the simple things really well and then he puts on his cape when he needs to. And I think Caleb has the talent to do the same things.
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A
Are you talking about the incompletion of Rome then on the sideline where it was he, I mean, he had to, you're right, he had to get it over the, the closer defender and then somebody closing over the top. And I think it like it still was going to be a tough catch, but it was. You're talking about that throw?
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B
I think I, I think that there's one where the receiver ends up on the hash where he's a little bit inside of him and he makes the same throw. And I thought it was ridiculous, but I'll send you a clip when I, when I find it all, I'll send.
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A
You the one I'm talking about because it might be two different things. Because I was like, well, I don't really want to get him because it's, you know, sometimes it ends up in the receiver's hands and we all expect everybody to make, make. He's good. Like even the cd, fourth down one, I'm like, okay, yeah, it hit his hands, but that's a, that's an insane catch if he's able to pull that off. So I don't want to just blame any receiver that just gets his hands on some of this stuff. Let's talk about the 26 class because it seems like you don't like it.
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B
Hate it. I absolutely hate it. I hate that someone's going to get drafted in the first round and fans are going to be pissed. I really like Mattier, but he got hurt and he hasn't. I need to see more from him. So there's no first round quarterback to me, and I know that there's going to be a lot of people online who are going to be like, indiana quarterback. He's really good. I haven't seen it yet. Like, I watch a lot of football and I have not seen it from him at this point.
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A
Yeah, Mattir's gonna be out with a hand surgery for a month. And just an aside on, like, the ti. No one ever wanted to put hand surgery in the headline. It was just surgery. So then I'm wondering if that just worked for people to click on. Because, I mean, I knew I was going to eventually figure it out because it's kind of my job. But every time I was trying to get an update on where he was at with it, it was like nothing ever wanted to say hand injury, because I guess it wasn't severe enough. And maybe people would be like, oh, whatever. So he's supposed to be back. I saw one estimation that he'd be back in a month. McShay was on with us, and he had said, look, forget the 26 draft. If I'm drafting for the college football season, he would have taken Matier ahead of anyone else at quarterback.
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B
Yeah, quarterback. I would have agreed with him 100%. That is a quarterback evaluation. Now, Mattier still is a little bit raw. He does some wonky things in terms of fundamentals, but I think those things can be fixed.
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A
What are those things?
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B
So he's a big leaner. He gets on his front side, and you'll see balls get dirted in a way that you're like, you're too talented for that. But that's really easy to fix if you dedicate your time to working on those things. And I think pretty much any quarterback trainer could get him in a situation where that doesn't happen anymore, as long as he's dedicated to it. But he's accurate. He sees the game really well, and he's a way better athlete than I ever anticipated when I watched him play prior to the season.
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A
So who do you like then? Who do you like?
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B
Yeah, Duke has a quarterback. I mean, all the guys that I really like. He is not. Yeah, Mentally, he's. I think I talked to you about him last year. I'm like, yo, this kid's really. I watched him boy again this year. He's a killer. Not someone I work with. So I feel really good talking about know people I don't work with really like him. There's another sophomore I feel like I watch, I'm like, they're good, they're just not draft eligible. All the best guys are. Can't come out yet. So it's a tough.
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A
Okay, so. So let's go back. So you don't like Nussmeier.
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B
He. I was really high in him before the season. I don't. I think that right now he's like a second, third round pick. And he was somebody who I thought played the game so well above the neck. Son of a coach, he's seen it all. You've got to be deadly accurate, deadly anticipation. If you're not a great athlete and you have to play that way and he doesn't, he's not getting the ball out of his hands in the way that he should, he's not supremely accurate. And if you can't do those things, what are we doing here?
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A
I still feel like when I'm watching on Saturdays, when they're third and long, I feel better about him than almost anybody else. I think they have a chance.
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B
You got a chance. Maybe if Sellers gets an opportunity to scramble around and run, you got a chance there.
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A
Sure. I mean, that run against Virginia Tech. But it wasn't like he was great in the game. And I love. Look, I enjoy watching Sellers so much and it was kind of fun to like be on it with him because all the defensive players and you're like, dude, do you see what this guy. But you could see that it was still pretty raw and incomplete. And he doesn't even have a great Virginia Tech game. But there's two plays that he makes in that game that nobody else is making. And that, you know, that's the game.
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B
That's what gets you drafted in the first round. That's Anthony Richardson, right? You see somebody do some things and you're like, no one else can do this. I want them. But if you can't teach somebody how to play quarterback, they can't be a guy who runs around and throws it. That is not sustainable for success at the highest level. And I love watching him playing the same as you. You watch him and it's fun to watch him, to be that much more athletic than the best college kids in all the country. And he does that every time he steps on the field. But they played offense the same way a lot of these other schools are playing like we're looking to the sideline. We can't wait to run his own read. I want to see somebody drop back on third and seven, be able to find a defender, work off him, go 1 to 2 to 3 and find a completion. And those are the guys. If you can do that, then you can play in the NFL. That is a requirement.
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A
I mean, how many times do you think you see college kids thrown to his third read?
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B
Not often. You will see a couple teams, I think, do a really good job of it. You will see the Duke staff actually makes them do that. The University of Minnesota staff, I think, do a great job in terms of installing an NFL system. Those are the teams that I really like to watch in terms of college football. Those two teams, in terms of offenses I like to see.
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A
I don't know that anybody expect, like, yeah, he's going to be talking up the systems at Duke in Minnesota, but I. I like getting that from you because I'm certainly not going to see that kind of stuff. So who else? I mean, it sounds like when you saw Klubnick projected to be the first overall pick in 26 in August, your eyes rolled high, like, harder than they did when I first brought up this class. So I can't imagine if you don't like Nussmeier. I can't imagine you like Klubnick.
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B
Not a Clubbick fan. I mean, great person. I don't think that he's ready.
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A
And you guys had him too.
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B
Yeah. Literally one of my favorite young men to be around, Drew Alar. I remember people talking about him as a first round quarterback. I don't want to dog him, but one of the least accurate quarterbacks that you can watch that people talk about as a top tier talent. Arm's very strong, very inaccurate. And like I was telling you before, he gets so hippie, like, he's trying to throw in this new age way where your hips get super fast and then you try and catch up on your top half, that it creates some real problems. And I think that we see that on Saturdays is Drew Alar being very inaccurate as a quarterback.
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A
You guys had Dante, too. Okay, sorry.
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B
Yes. Everything that I said, let me apologize because he should have been the first quarterback that I talked about. I knew I had another guy on the tip of my tongue, but that's him.
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A
All right. So we're talking about Dante Moore from Oregon. And I remember, like the UCLA part of it was weird. I was at his lead 11 with you guys and I keep track of, you know, and I say this to the audience all the time. Your group, you guys have the highest hit rate of any people that I talk to in the football business. Of like, this guy has it, this guy doesn't. And when you guys don't like someone collectively. And I'm not just talking about Quincy here or whoever, because I've been lucky enough to get to talk to a bunch of you guys every year. And I. It's one of my favorite things I get to go to because I know the information is like, it's all seed planning. And I'm thinking years down the road, like, oh, that guy said this. This guy said this guy said. So when you're like kind of off of somebody and you may just be indifferent about someone, I'll think about that. And again, the hit rate is incredible. But Dante was in a weird. Because I didn't feel like you guys were raving about him down there. And then the UCLA experience, it's like, all right. And so I've been watching Oregon, despite the weak non conference part of this, because I just wanted to see what this looks like. And he looks like a stud. And sure, we could talk about the opponent here, but there's comfort. And whether it's Will Stein or what they're doing and these beasts all over the place, including both tight ends, I just think it looks really good for somebody that I had no idea about before the season started.
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B
And Will Stein does a really good job. It's not NFL style, so I don't put him in that same class, but he's a great coordinator. He does a really good job for those guys. He reminds me so much of Jordan. Love the smoothness and the efficiency in which he plays.
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A
Smooth is perfect.
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B
He's very smooth. Like he. You watch him, you're like, okay, that. And then he makes. He made some throws two weeks ago, pushing the ball down the field on the right side. He throws a goalball to put him up going into half. I'm like, that might be the best throw that I've seen he throw a post. When you got a Tampa 2Runner running down the middle and you got to see him and he throws that ball. He is. And I feel so bad for leaving him out earlier. He is the best quarterback in college football right now. If he leaves, he should be the first quarterback selected. And I apologize about same material before, but watching him the last three weeks, it is so impressive the things he's done. And I remember watching Dylan Gabriel in that Same offense who I think is a really good quarterback and will play in the NFL for a long time. Dante does things that Dylan couldn't do.
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A
Like what?
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B
The energy in which he throws the ball. He's not as good of a runner. He's done a great job slimming down, but he sees the game. He sees leverage really well. So you'll see like a deep crosser, and you'll have this flat control player on your right. And he gets his eyes to this flat control player, automatically sees him collapse on the flat layers, the ball over the mic, who's trying to carry this crosser from left to right. And it's like in his hands. And there's not college guys who are doing that peak number one on the post see the flat control layer ball to a. A deep cross. And he does those things consistently, sees the picture really well. And then he has the ability to just push the ball down the field in a way that I think is truly unique.
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A
Why do I kind of have this roller coaster experience with Raiola? Because I watched the whole Michigan game and I think it was the late 21 yard completion where he is looking left to right and he leads. I think it's his running back. Even this throw is so incredible, but it seems so carefree and it's perfectly led. I mean, the throw anticipation. He has to make that throw in that spot because over the course of the game, I'm like, ah, man, like everything. It's great that he's real, like, calm and casual about it, but then there are times where I'm like, is he just too chill? Like, is it. Is it just too calm with the whole thing? I don't give a shit about any of my home stuff, but I would say it's. It's a roller coaster for me. And it's. Again, it's. It's there because I have anticipation of what his resume is and how fired up Nebraska was to get him in there. And I know you guys had him. I saw him work out with you guys. I guess I. Maybe I'm being unfair that I want it to be perfect the entire time because of the hype coming in, but it just feels like series to series. Like, sometimes it looks great and sometimes it looks like there's just no urgency. And tell me if you think that's fair or unfair.
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B
No, I think that's really fair. I think that we kind of saw that with Cam Ward last year. If we watch, think about the way that Cam Ward. It just looked too lackadaisical. At times, I want you to play quarterback with your hair on fire, with relentless urgency and doing the things that need to be done in order to be successful. And Dylan, to me right now has too many highs and lows. Like, it's like you're saying the peaks and valleys. You'll see him miss a routine slant route or a shallow cross. You know, why are you. How did you manage to miss that throw? When you're the same quarterback that has the ability to move in the pocket, hit somebody running full speed right to left, 18 yards down the field in stride, in situations where nobody, nobody else can do those things. And to me, the quarterbacks who play like that, it's a lack of focus, a lack of attention to the details. It's those guys who've been so good their entire life that they don't have to be on their P's and Q's every single time they approach the line of scrimmage. And that is the same thing that's going to get a coach fired, right? And it might not happen for Nebraska because he's going to be one of the best quarterbacks who played there in quite a long time. But when you get to the NFL, when you do, don't go out there and have that urgency and the understanding that every play, not only your job's on the line, but a bunch of other people's job is on the line. That's how you get in situations where they make those costly errors that cost you. Because in college you do get those opportunities again, right? We might miss a play that was going to allow us to throw a touchdown and we can get back to it in the NFL, once you miss those big play, big chunk opportunities, they're over and we're just not going to get them again. And that's how your team loses games.
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A
Let's talk Arch Manning. Okay, wow. The floor is yours. You're already laughing.
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B
Oh.
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A
Woo.
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B
Archman. I want to be fair. Arch Manning is somebody who was put in a position that he had no business being in. We talked about Archmaining before this season like a first round quarterback. Despite no pelts being on the wall, he had done nothing to deserve any of the praise in which he was getting. We saw him come against really bad teams and happen to be successful. When he comes in against the University of Georgia, he gets on the field, they don't even want to throw the ball. They're like, hey, we got to get out of this game and hope that we can just manage it with art. I don't know if it's him or his family, but every turn I saw him run away from competition and opportunities that he had to get better. You mentioned every other quarterback and talked about how you saw them at Elite 11, how you saw him in these opportunities where they got to compete. Arch didn't do anything. He didn't go to Elite 11, he didn't go to Under Armour, he didn't go to Rivals. Every opportunity that he had to show that he was actually better than the top quarterbacks in the class, he passed, he wanted to avoid any chance of real evaluation where we could see him next to other really good guys. And then he goes in these situations where he can control it. I remember the Texas staff like, no, we got a great one. He's in here throwing with our receivers. They're doing this. You can throw all you want. If you don't have the talent that is needed to go play at a high level in the sec. You can have late night throwing sessions, early morning throwing sessions with your guys. He just doesn't have it. And his fundamentals, his fundamentals haven't even been up to par. Like we're not seeing the physical talent. But then when you get a shallow cross on third and four versus Ohio State, then all you have to do is tie your eyes and feet together, put it on his chest, and you guys might win the game and people will be looking at you completely different. He doesn't do those little things. And we see that week in and week out. And then he plays against these cupcake games. He runs somebody in the end zone and then he flexes on them. I don't want to see it. I want to see you be great first down against an SEC team where you actually can work through a progression and throw a completion. And when we talk about Arche mania, I just get frustrated because he's getting so many things that he doesn't deserve in the way that people praised him or vaulted him up despite not doing anything to deserve it. And looking back, he's playing against little chubby kids in Louisiana, private single A football, and he looked like the man amongst boys. But now he's playing against real high level talent. We're seeing nothing that matches anything that we were promised.
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A
You appear to be. And then, you know, whether it's seeing some of the stuff that you said, you think like, this is going to be one of the all time whiffs. Like he's not that guy at all. And this isn't like Sark figuring him out and all this different stuff. You don't. You don't see it at all.
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B
If he was anybody else, he'd have been benched by now and they'd have put in K.J. lacy. But once you bench a Manning, right, Then that just looks bad in your program. And then you got guys who got to go to Manning passing academy. And Arch is someone who stuck with the program despite not being the starter. So I think that Sark is really trying to do everything he can. And we know that Sark is a great play caller. He's the manager that make a lot of really average guys look really great. Like, he made Quinn Ewers look like a rock star and he's a seventh round pick. I don't think that there's a redeemable quality for Arch to be a great quarterback unless he just starts to run the ball a whole bunch.
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A
Okay. Dante Moore, though, I love it. I love the hype. For a guy that I was like, you know, again, go back to August, you're like, how many of these teams am I supposed to take seriously? Anybody we leave off that you want to give a little love to? Is it Simpsons? What's that?
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B
Can we talk about Daniel Jones in the NFL?
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A
Yeah. Yeah, Absolutely. Yeah.
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B
I've got the opportunity to watch Daniel Jones and seeing his growth from the New York Giants to where he is today with the Indianapolis Colts, absolutely amazing. He was put in a system with the New York Giants that I think that was polar opposite of who he is as a person. The things that are his strengths, that's more of a feel system. So Day ball came from that Patriots Tom Brady. I got to be up close and personal with that offense because desean was in Houston running that same Bill o' Brien offense. So it's a lot of feel. And you have to be a unique quarterback to see things and just let it rip with anticipation. Your drops don't necessarily match the passing concepts. You feel things, you see it. And some guys have the ability to be uniquely successful in that offense. Daniel Jones did not. He needs to be able to say, hey, when I hit my fifth step in my drop, my eyes go here. I reset once I find the basic third reset, find this deep curl or get to the checkdown. That is how you play the game, and that is what Daniel Jones is doing and being so successful because he's a rigid kind of guy and he's playing in a rigid system. And offense is like, these are the rules. Steichen was great when he coached Jalen hurts in the Eagles. And you See him bringing those same concepts over here and he's making Daniel Jones look like a first round quarterback. And I'm so happy to see somebody who gets in a system that fits the things that they're doing. He was in Minnesota for a cup of coffee, right? He was like, okay, this west coast thing, this is what I need to be doing. This style offense and he gets with Indianapolis and he's playing like he's supposed to and that, that makes me really happy to see a quarterback make those sort of strides in terms of being a better quarterback, but knowing what works for them. And I think that a lot of quarterbacks need to do a better job of understanding what do I do well in an offense that matches up with the coaching staff, especially when they're at free agency or even when they're talking to the staff like, this is what I need to do to be successful. And I think that he's found that. So I'm excited about his future.
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A
People probably give you shit about this because they do, because it's online and look, I've known you a little while and like I said, I can, I can speak to the conversations that I've had and this impossible position to evaluate with a great hit rate. You know, it's a lot like when people bitch about officiating and I'm like, did you expect that it's ever going to be perfect? Like you're criticizing something that is always open to criticism and the quarterback thing is the exact same way. It's just, yeah, you're right. People don't get it right very often with this or not as often as you would expect, I shouldn't say very often again. And we can go over all the history and all that kind of stuff, but you come from this from a really unique perspective and you've expanded the portfolio of quarterbacks and you know, there's just so many people walking around thinking that it can be done better. But you believe that. You believe deep down, if an NFL team just brought me in and you know, it can seem self serving, it's like, well, this is why Quincy's saying it, because he wants this kind of opportunity. I don't even know, I don't know if you'd want to work for a team as opposed to being able to do your own thing. But like, what would, what would your pitch be to ownership, to a general manager of like, let's, let's try it this way, let's try it this way. Because granted they'd probably be like, dude, we're not bringing elite 11 guys in here to like, evaluate and work in the scouting room. But I'd say if they had a better history, they could be. They'd be deserving of being so close minded to it.
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B
Yeah, I think that. I mean, I think my track record would speak for itself. I would let. I could send them draft reports that I've sent to NFL teams. So I've been consulted by a few different organizations to provide some outlook on the draft. But I would say I think that I've done as good a job or better job than anybody in terms of evaluating it. And it's not just because I'm watching the tape. I've known most of the guys getting ready to go to the NFL since they were 16 years old. And I love.
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A
That's the difference. Sorry to interrupt you, but like, that to me is like a real difference because you get to know the kid and like, how's this guy going to respond to this versus this guy? So go ahead.
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B
Right. It's understanding how they're made up. The things that they care about. What do they value understanding those things? I think everybody can watch tape and get some level of understanding of how they play football, but it's all the other skills, the soft skills that you need to have in order to be successful. Like the year that C.J. stroud came out, everybody there knew that he was going to be a great quarterback. And it bore out like that is who he is. Like, he wants to work, he wants to be the best of the best.
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A
By the way, you're not worried about. You're not worried about the recent stuff?
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B
No, actually. Actually, not at all. I think that the offense, it's hard to get sidetracked, but the offense that they're running right now is nothing like the offense that he was successful in as a rookie. They're not playing with the level of anticipation. It's like, hey, we're going to throw a bunch of screens, a bunch of checkdowns, and then hope we can get in a rhyth. That is not how CJ Plays. So what I think is they got a new offensive coordinator this year. They're probably going to get another one next year. Someone who can do the things that he thinks are necessary in order to be successful. So I'm not super concerned about him in terms of his success, but those are the things that you find out about somebody. Are they willing to have those tough conversations? I know that CJ Will go have that difficult conversation with the front office if it needs to happen in order for him to be successful. And that's why I think that I could add value in terms of helping somebody out in terms of finding who their next quarterback is for the organization.
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A
And by the way, I asked Quincy that. He didn't know I was going to ask him it so it wasn't like he hit me up this week. It was like, hey, let me come on and pitch my services. Oh look, I've just been, I've been a fan ever since we linked up a bunch of years ago and I'm a fan of what you guys do and Trenton introducing us and getting to know the rest of the guys. And it just seems like you guys all make mistakes like everybody else does, but it feels like at least when the mistakes happen, they're more informed and somebody just getting to know somebody later on in the process. Enjoy this Saturday, even though I know you don't want to. So I can't wait for this lineup and then we'll talk to you again later in the year. All right, thanks Quincy.
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B
Bye bro. See you soon.
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A
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C
Appreciate it. It's happy to be back on and especially after a win and talk to you about the Ryder cup and, and then all that.
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A
Let's actually just kind of talk about the finish though, because a couple days ago, so you're on 18, you get a chance. Koepka had some struggles on a hole earlier, so it kind of puts you in position to go, wait, I get out of here with a win. What was going through your head when you went into the bunker off of 18?
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C
Yeah, that's kind of the classic bailout. Like don't go into the water. Right. So I just bailed out left there. You know, the lie was pretty good. I was nervous, obviously, but, you know, felt like I had a decent read on the bunker shot. I hit it pretty close to how I wanted to. It just didn't roll out nearly as much. And. And the putt is like a 15 foot downhill putt, which I actually would have preferred over an uphill putt, I think. And you know, I had a decent read on it because one of my playing partners hit a similar putt from a different angle and just try to hit it with decent speed. So I don't like run it by five feet or anything like that. And I hit it exactly the way I wanted and just somehow, somehow caught the right lip and went in.
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A
How's it felt for you this year though? I mean, you made the cut, what, three of the four majors, which you hadn't made a cut in a major in a while. The waste management finish, you know, you've had top tens, so this is going to feel great for you, at least personal with kind of the start of the career and feeling like you probably just finished up your best season.
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C
Yeah, this is easily as in my best season, finishing 31st. You know, finishing 31st is. Was a bit of a bummer because that's 30th is right at the cutoff for Tour Championship, and that kind of gets me. That would have gotten me like a two year exemption into all the majors next year and some other stuff. So that was a definite kind of a disappointment. But, you know, I'm super happy I was able to kind of cap it off with the, with a win in France and yeah, it's, overall, it's been an awesome year.
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A
Let's talk Ryder cup because Keegan, who we had on the show right before his win in Hartford, is tasked with putting together the pairings. Those will be announced tomorrow. The golf actually starts on Friday. What do the pairings mean? Like, how important is that? Actually figuring out the best way for each player to complement each other.
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C
Yeah, it's, it's really hard. You know, four ball is, is really simple. You play your own ball. It's. It's not a big deal, foursomes because you might have to use someone else's golf ball half the time, figuring out which t bot which odds or evens you're gonna play off of. You know, I obviously haven't been a part of these teams, but I assume, you know, there's a lot of like, like statistics involved now, like who's better off the odd holes, who's better off the even holes. And really the US Side, there's not that many of these kind of guaranteed teammate pairings. Whereas Europe kind of has their, like, go to teams where it's like McElroy and Fleetwood Rahman Hatton, like, those are kind of the obvious teams. Whereas the US Side with so many new guys, I think there's four rookies, there's. You just the pairings aren't as easily set because it's such a, such a new team. So it'll be other than like Xander and Patrick, but you know, they haven't been playing their best this year. So I think it'll be a really tough, tough job for Keegan, you know, hopefully, hopefully he can put some good pairings out and get off to a hot start.
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A
What is it about the home team having this kind of advantage because you have to go all the way Back to like 2012. So you look at the betting odds and it's Beth Page black, which I want to get into that course with you at some point. But the guys that, you know that have played in this kind of matchup, like, what is it about it that seems so difficult for now? Almost a decade here, a decade plus actually of the road team coming out.
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C
With a win, I think, you know, it's a lot of things, but part of it is I think the home team had a pretty good control over the setup of the golf course to where, you know, way back, like Paul Azinger back in like 2007 or something like that, like, took out like a tree limb because one player, J.B. holmes, didn't like how a tree limb was bothering him on tee shots and stuff like that. I've heard, like, these days it's a bit more kind of neutral. They don't let the home team captain, like, control every little thing. So that's part of it. Obviously, the crowd is a huge thing. When you have, you know, tens of thousands of people cheering you on, it's. It's easy to find that energy. You know, it's a, it's a really long week. You start Monday. So much press, so much like extra stuff, you have to do that by the time the pairings start, the teams start playing. You play 36 back to back days. If you're playing every single day, and if you're in a weight team, it can be really hard to kind of find that energy sometimes. And the home side obviously has a lot more energy to kind of play off of with the crowd.
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A
What do you think of this back and forth that we have here with Rory and Bryson? Because I'll, I'll admit it felt like Rory was kind of this darling in the beginning. He plays out of his mind at that U.S. open. You know, I was working with Van Pelt back then and he had a relationship with him because, you know, he's just, you know, he's just really plugged in with the golf world with his own background. It just seems like a lot of the guys on tour have always liked Scott. And so, you know, you look at a swing and you're like, ah, this guy's going to be this all timer. Then he has whatever, like most golfers do this, this downturn. And he seems to be back, but he also seems to be incredibly miserable. So it's funny that you have this Rory part where his popularity, at least on the state side, doesn't seem to be very high. And then Bryson, who was probably the most disliked single guy involved in golf, who's kind of found a way to rebrand himself, and now people like him. And so with Bryson kind of going at Rory, then it's going to be like, this has Sergio level potential here in New York for Rory. With the way the popularity duel off is happening here, if these guys end up playing against each other.
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C
Yeah, I mean, Bryson has done a complete, you know, 180 of his popularity metric, or however you want to say it, like he was. He clearly wants to be. Clearly wants to be liked in a. In a. In a big way. And, you know, his YouTube stuff is blown up to where, you know, a lot of the younger guys probably like him over Tiger, which, you know, a guy in my. My generation would never think that as a possibility. You know, with. With Rory, they've somehow built up a decent amount of history, you know, coming. Going back to the US Open last year, where Bryson ended up winning. They even played the final round of the Masters this last year, and. And Rory was able to kind of come out on top. And, you know, I think those. Some of those comments started when. When Bryson was like, yeah, Rory kind of blew me off on the Sunday of the Masters. And Roy's kind of like, yeah, I'm, like, trying to win this golf tournament. Like, I don't. I don't. I don't have any time or any waste of energy trying to play nice with you, who's trying to beat me, and I'm trying to beat you. And it's just interesting because I. I see both of them. I see both of them, like, a bit. They're. They. They both really like being liked and like being popular. And Bryson, just, to be honest, does it in a. In a little bit of a cheesy way at times, I think. Why. You see why. You hear some of the. Some of the quotes kind of going back and forth. It'll be interesting. The crowd is obviously going to be behind Bryson in a. In a massive way against the. Against the European. Any. Any European team. And we've been hearing about how crazy this crowd's going to be at that page for. For. For a long time now. So it'll be interesting, but I don't see it going like Sergio levels just because Rory's still, like, pretty well liked amongst. Amongst everyone.
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A
Maybe it was an immediate thing, I don't know, because it just seemed like Rory had been pretty miserable despite playing well. But you're right, it does seem to go back to that last round at Augusta because, you know, I understand Rory's point. I don't know if Bryson was trying to get in his head at all. And Rory's like, look, I'm not here to be mates. And Bryson's like, you know, he just wouldn't talk to me, but I'll chirp him if I get the chance again. So he's kind of going with the wrestler move of playing it up, which, you know, when everyone hated Bryson, it Did make it a little bit more interesting to have everybody collectively rooting against this guy that played the game in a way that just seemed engineered in a lab. And I know when I first started, like, you know, talking to my friends that have just been golf fans from the beginning, and I was like, well, who do you root against? They're like, I don't root against anybody. I root for great golf the whole time. And it was like, oh, all right. Like, I feel like I'm the dick. But at least during that stretch. And again, he has turned this around. It did make it interesting to have this kind of clear villain that everyone was rooting against. And I don't know. Like, I think the sport. I don't think anybody on the PGA side would be like, hey, this is great for us. But it was. It was good for them. And it really has nothing to do with this matchup because everybody's going to be rooting for him. And you're right. People like them.
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C
Again, it's, you know, for whatever, however you feel about Bryson, like, he makes you feel something, and that's whether you love him or hate him. Like, there's not a whole lot of in between compared to, like, guys like Scotty, where he's just like a machine out there. Just no emotion on the golf course, for the most part, just handles his business. And Bryson, with the way he's gone about it with the YouTube going to live, like, people are. People really feel something when he plays golf. And, you know, for 99% of PGA Tour golfers or golfers, you know, you know, that that kind of emotion just doesn't come out with a lot of the other golfers.
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A
Do you talk to anybody when you play?
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C
I do. I do. Oh, well, it depends if you. It's like any other work setting. Like, if you like the guy, you'll probably talk to him during the round, but if you don't like him, you probably just try and kind of. Like, there are times when it's. We will usually play in threesomes. Like, I don't like to two guys that I'm playing with, so I'll just be talking to my caddy most of the time. But if I'm playing, like, with a close friend like Max. Yeah, we'll definitely chat it up a.
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A
Little bit, because I imagine for some guys, it might help break the tension to have some kind of, you know, you're gonna be spending a few hours together here, so why not? But then I can see somebody who actually has a great personality. People do really like. But their approach to the game is just, I don't want any distractions. I just want to talk to my caddy. I just want to stay focused. And you probably don't even take it personally because you just understand that's the way he'.
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C
Yeah, for sure. Like, like you said, like, if I, if I don't talk to someone, like, I start thinking too much about my swing. I start thinking too much, like, what if, like, what's the next hole? And, and I find it way better that I talk random. It doesn't. Not golf even. Just like, hey, did you watch the football game? Or, you know, what did you think about this matchup and that matchup? Do you hear what Bryson said about Rory? Like, all that stuff, it's like, you know, kind of keeps me a bit more loose. Whereas, you know, there are guys like Scotty, he doesn't talk too much on the golf course. He's pretty, like, you know, just goes about his business, talks to Ted a bit. But yeah, it's definitely, definitely different. And, you know, it's. If I would play Scotty, like, or any guy that doesn't clearly doesn't, like, want to talk, then you just kind of let him do his thing.
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A
Yeah, that makes, that makes a lot. Well, if you're playing, like, do you never want to talk to anybody or are you just like, okay, what's, what's going on? Like, do you have any three leg parlays this week?
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C
I think it depends on, like, what, how, how many levels of down you are. Like, if you, if you're, you're about.
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A
To withdraw, are you.
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C
If you're like, let's say, like Friday afternoon, you know, you're off the cut line by like five or six. Oh, yeah, they're just, just, just zero cares given. Like, you know, talk, whatever. Like, hey, like, you know, probably trying to pick out, like, what bar you want to go to the right after the round and stuff like that. Or, or, you know, you could be honestly on, on the phone, like, trying to figure out what you want, how quickly you want to get out of there. But like, but if it's like a little off, if you're just playing bad but there's some hope, then, you know, there's usually more anger and frustration. And some guys handle that in different ways where you, some break clubs or, you know, or, you know, curse loudly or complain loudly. So each, each guy kind of deals with it in a different way.
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A
How hard is Beth Page Black?
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C
It's. I've. I played it last in May, and it was still chilly for, like, the PGA Championship. And it's, like, easily, like, one of the hardest courses I've ever played. And it's not like a lot of penalty shots. There's a lot of just grasps, but it's just long. Like those last four or five holes is. Is super brutal. Just. Just like, it's just long. It's just driver like 5, 6 iron, 4 iron into these raised greens there. It's hard to stop. 17 is like a really long par three. 18's a super narrow fairway with a raised green. Just like long rough. You have to. You have to hit the ball super, super well, especially off the tee to have any chance. But I guess I have heard, like, the rough is down, it's not as high as it was in years past. So I think there's going to be a decent amount of birdies still this year, this week.
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A
Yeah, that was something that I thought was kind of interesting. You're talking about how, like, in the past, the home team has a better advantage in setting up the course. And one of the first things that I was reading about this morning with Keegan was just felt like the rough isn't nearly the challenge that it could be if they wanted to set up the course that way. But you said, look, it feels like it's far more regulated than it used to be in the past. I don't know that. Whenever I. As I started playing again the last couple years, and it's like I started realizing everybody that tells me their handicap, and then you play with them, you're like, oh, okay, this is. How does the handicap work again? Is it what you want it to be? So whenever anybody's like, well, what would a 12 shoot at Bethpage Is like, well, is it somebody that's actually keeping track? Are they actually a 12 or are they full of shit? And they're playing their course all the time and never play any other course. Of all the courses that are in the mix for being the Tour, unless you can think of something else. But where does Beth Page, like, rank as opposed to, like, Augusta or whatever? Like, where a 10 or a 12, and it's like, you would have the worst time at this course.
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C
Oh, man. You know, if you. If you're like a 10 or 12 handicap and really struggle off the tee, like, you like to be fair to those guys that, like, say they're like a 10 handicap, that doesn't mean they're shooting, like, 82 all the time. It's usually like, on the, it's usually I haven't kept, I haven't kept the handicap in a while, but I think it's like the best 10 scores out of your 20 rounds. So it's in theory like the best score plus like the rating, but like a 10 handicap in a normal Beth Page setting is, is not breaking 100 half the time. I almost feel like, especially if you're struggling off the tee, ish, like you can't even reach some of the fairways. Like even pros at the PGA. Like I mentioned back the 10th hole, if you're like starting on the 10th hole in the morning, it was like a 25060 carry into the wind in like 50 degree weather. Like guys were. Guy. A couple guys literally tried to aim at the walkway because they were. And you just couldn't get to the fairway. It was that long. So it's, it's just, it's that sign, you know, that famous sign like is meant for good golfers only. Like it's a, it's a, it's a legit, it's a legit thing.
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This US team has four rookies. Henley's now third in the world. He's, he's one of the rookies here. This guy's iron play is just, I mean it kind of feels like, whoa, nobody's really, you know, in the National. I know you guys are on it, but even I think I was a little surprised when I was going through the rosters this morning and kind of been like, oh yeah, that guy, like he was around every weekend and he played well. I was like, he's this good. What does it mean for a rookie that has that much skill though, that has never played in this kind of setting?
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C
Yeah, you know, I think at the very least Russell has played. I think I'm pretty sure he was in the Presence cup two years ago. So I think that helps. Like Harris English played in the Ryder cup before. Like I think it'll be obviously super new for a guy like JJ Spawn and Ben Griffin who's got on the team after having just career years this year. It's. I can, I can only imagine what it'll feel like for them like showing up on the first tee, you know that this grandstands look absolutely massive. Like a truly like stadium feel. You know, they maybe, maybe they, you know, because it's alternate shot, maybe they'll have some of the more experienced guys tee off on the first, first hole just to kind of let them ease into it a little bit. I know in years past, they've put some of the rookies like in the best ball format or, or in that. At least an afternoon session. Just so it's not that, that first, that first morning session craze when all that hype kind of builds up to that moment, it's not so much on their shoulders. So there, there's a few different things, but you know, you hear, you, you hear guys talk about like their first Rider cup and it's unlike any other setting that they've ever played in. And you know, all these guys have played in big time majors and Masters, but they all say the Ryder cup is different.
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If you were to look at the field right of players here, how many of the top 10 do you think on the US side? Or is it five of the top eight or something like that? Because I was looking at some different stuff this morning and I understand, but I want to hear from a guy on the tour, like how many you think the US has in that group?
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C
I think, I think 1, 2 is at least number one. Like Scotty is clear and above the number one guy now, you know, in a team Ryder cup setting, you know, the most he can do is four or five points. So. But I think, I think the US Side has, you know, their top two in Scotty and Bryson and then kind of like the rest of that middle, like three through, or two through seven guys is a lot of Europe. Guys like Rory Rom, Fleetwood Oberg, like they're middle. That middle kind of class I think Europe really has a handle on. And you know, Ben Griffin, like I said, Ben Griffin and jj, JJ won the US Open this year and it's been playing awesome. But you know, in this setting you just, there's a lot of uncertainty. You just don't know how he's going to pair up with whoever he's paired up with. So there's just a bit of unknown, but I would say, I would say it's kind of goes US Top, the middle is Europe and then back to the US because the US Will always just have a little bit of a deeper squad than Europe.
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It'll be really interesting to see Shepler, you know, because obviously he's the best, but considering what happened in Rome a couple years ago and him and Koepka getting absolutely smoked and Scheffler, just like you would think with somebody this good, like that's the best case scenario for him to come off of. Like probably the biggest golf disappointment he's had in the last few years in this setting to be in New York and with all the individual stuff, to have that bothering him for two years, like, you'd be shocked if he doesn't play out of his mind this week.
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C
Totally agree. I think he's gonna absolutely, you know, be looking to. To be to anyone, and everyone gets kind of in his way. He's playing just unbelievable golf. And I think when he steps up on a tee, like, even the Europe guys know, like, he's the best player in the world. Like, I have to play. He has to play off his, you know, a game for. For anyone else to have a chance almost. And, you know, he's. I think he's probably going to be paired up with Russell Henley. I think that pairing worked really well at the President's cup last time around. So, you know, that's. That's the number. Number one player and a number three player in the world right now. So I think he'll be. He'll be absolutely jazzed up. And, you know, the guy is very machine quiet like, but he's as competitive a person as you'll find on the PGA Tour, so he'll be. I expect him to play some awesome golf this week.
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Final thought for you. So say I'm off the tee in the fairway, 270, 280. I've got, like, maybe, I don't know, 272, 80 figure second shot. I screw up because I still don't know my distances, and I'm about 30, 40 yards in the front of the green. Tight lie, right still in the fairway, just trying to, you know, chip in a putt for par. It's not going to happen, but that's what you're playing. That's what everybody you play with after you screw up one of the shots is like, hey, chip in a putt and be like, yeah, right over. I'm, like, desperate. I'm hoping for bogey right now. Tight lie. Is it potentially that I have the wrong club? Could it be that my bounce is not the right bounce for that shot? Because I think I. In my head, I have the distance part of it down, but it seems like I clip it wrong way more often than not. And I wouldn't say it's a hands thing, because I actually feel pretty confident in my chipping because of the par three down the street. I just put a lot of hours in over there. So I've even had, you know, people remark and say, you got decent hands, which is still crazy that your scores suck this bad. But is it potentially a club? Is it A. Is it a. Is it the wrong bounce? Because I've been looking at a lot of different options, and there's a lot out there on the market.
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C
There. There's a lot of. There are a lot of options. Now, if I, if I'm your coach, I mean, I would have to see the. Your shot. So from 30, 40 yards, are you missing the green? Like, how far away is this shot ending up?
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A
I think because the rest of the game aesthetically looks okay when it's 30, 40 yards away and then it goes 15 to 20 yards and you're walking right back up and you're like, okay, am I trying to be too cute with it? I'm obviously worried about blading it. Is it that I'm. I just think my plan of attack on the ball where the rest of the round, like, I kind of know, all right, this is what I'm planning on doing. This is what I hope to do. And it's not a decommit issue because I got that out of the game. I was like, look, the D commit thing, you might as well just hit it. And if you screw up, it's the same as the decommit. So luckily, I was able to get the decommit part out because that's probably one of the most frustrating swings of an entire round. But it just seems like I'm. It's not a decommit thing. It's. It. I don't know if it's getting a little too cute. I don't know if it's too much of a deceleration thing, because, again, I think I'm just gone with the, hey, hit it thing. And whatever it is, that divot just maybe starts a little too soon. And then I'm just walking up to do the exact same shot over again, which we all know that next one is perfect, but now I'm looking at, like, double.
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C
So I would say if you're, if you're missing the green or coming up, like, more than. If it's, like, a, a decent size mistake, it's not like, the bounce isn't going to help you too much if it's, like, around the margins. Yeah, the bounce could help you a lot.
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D
So it's not.
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C
I, I, I, I, I think. I don't think it's the club. But, you know, those 30, 40 yards, amateurs have a lot of trouble with because it's a short motion, but because it's a short motion, you don't have the time to kind of, like, if you make one mistake with the drive. Like, let's say in the swing you have a little bit of mistake coming in the transition. Like there is the rest of the downswing for you to kind of maneuver around. But with the 30 yard shot, like, because it's a short motion, once you kind of make like a bad mistake in the, let's say the backswing, like, there's just not enough time for you to, for your hands to kind of save you there. Which is why you have, which is why some amateurs have a really hard shot, have a hard time with it. You know, if you're, if you're like, I haven't seen your swing. So I don't know.
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E
But you know what?
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Do this. We've already spent too much time on this and I was kind of like having some fun and I don't want to lose the entire audience for the rest of the show here, I'll take a video of it next time it's set up, all right? And then I'll send it to you and then we'll regroup and keep everybody else out of this because I can't imagine this was anyone's favorite part of the show. Thanks for playing along and by the way, congrats to you on what had to feel great a career year for you and enjoy the competition this weekend, man.
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C
Appreciate. I'll be rooting the US Team on.
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A
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I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
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I have every toy you can possibly.
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Imagine and best of all kids. I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Today's Life Advice is brought to you by Amazon Business. And when it comes to bringing your visions to life, trying Amazon Business is an easy service to recommend with smart business buying. Amazon Business lets you get everything you need to grow in one familiar place. From office supplies to IT essentials and maintenance tools. Now let's get to it. Life Advice lifeadvice rrmail.com We've got a couple here, we've got Serutti, we got Kyle and a couple follow ups. A lot of people fired up about the wedding topic and how to pare down the old invite list. So I always thought that's, I always like the first point here I think is pretty interesting. So we'll run through. He's got some bullet points for us. Wife and I just did this for our wedding. Share this advice with others. It's simple. Works well. We didn't invite any of our co workers. This is good for many reasons. CS5 It's a uniform cut and you eliminate any hard feelings or concern about who is going not going. 2. Your relationships with people at work may change over time. By the time the wedding is there, you might be closer with someone else not going than someone who is. 3. Your family is forever. But you might leave your job and not have these people in your life in a few years. 4. If no one from your work is going but you're well liked, you can probably finesse a good gift from either the company or people. 5. You can be yourself and enjoy the party without anything overlapping in your professional life.
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It sounds to me like just, yeah, dude, just never eat bread. Like you'll be healthy as you. It's like, okay, all right. Never.
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A
All right.
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E
Not one piece of sourdough. No more blts. I mean I get it but like I don't know, it depends on how big your company is and how long you've been there. And you know, I think it's, you know, like everything we said with wedding planning, it's case by case, but that just seems like a way too easy.
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A
Thing.
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D
I agree. I. I don't know. Yeah, sure. Are there people that I invited to my wedding from work that I'm not as close with anymore? Yes.
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A
Name some. Yeah.
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No, I mean like that's just how life works though man. But here's the thing too is I got a lot of cousins that I don't really talk a lot to either that live all across the country. And not because I don't like anybody. It's just that's how life works. So I don't know, like, yes, I'm with Kyle. Like, it sounds like a very easy solution, but. But I don't regret having those co workers there who again, maybe I don't talk to every day, but I still like them as people and I was happy they're at my wedding. So, you know, I don't know. We had to make some tough choices at the end too. I've told the story. There was, you know, shout out to Liam, my former boss at espn. He didn't get the invite. Nuno. Old Will Kane show days didn't get the invite. I just didn't know them well enough at the time and I felt bad about it, but there have to be cut somewhere. But there are other ESPN people. Like, Adnan was there. Again, I invited you. You know, I. I feel like it's kind of like a snapshot in time too, you know, like not everybody, I think at everybody's wedding or like, you know, I don't know, people that you invite to your graduation party or something. Like, I don't know. I don't talk to a lot of those people anymore either. Just, that's how life works, man. Like, it's a snapshot of a period of your life.
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E
Yeah, it's like inviting someone from work. It's not like, you know, having a birthday party in second grade. It's like, we got to get 25 kids in here because, you know, words going to get around like, like, we're all adults. We get it.
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D
All those kids get the invite too. I'm in that phase right now. Like just the whole class. And it's actually kind of funny.
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E
Chuck E. Cheese, party of 35, please.
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D
You get a glimpse of what daycare is like and they're just like acting out together. But anyway.
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A
It might be better for society if we stop inviting everybody in some of those classes. Like first grade birthdays, second grade birthdays. Ken's like, what happened?
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E
Straight up, man.
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A
Yeah, just like you make the cup, man. You suck at recess.
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E
Explained foursquare to you 10 times.
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A
You couldn't get it. Yeah, right.
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D
My tattletale dude.
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A
Yeah, I don't know.
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D
We don't like.
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E
You should work on. You got a couple of things to work on.
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A
Have you ever watched yourself eat, dude? That might little iron sharpening iron Maybe we start that a little bit earlier. This blanket invite to everybody in your grade. Like, I don't like you. It's just a fucking date. We're sharing a year. A Dob. I've always found it fascinating, the people that didn't invite anyone from work. I admired them. I thought. It's almost like I think about Ryan Gosling a lot, as I imagine many people do. But when he's in the big short in the beginning, and he's talking to the camera and Adam McKay way of telling a story, and he's hanging out and they're finding out that this guy came to town and just started shorting everything, and he's like, I never hung out with these guys. I had fashion friends. I think about the person who maybe has some level of status, who invites no one from work. You're like, does this guy have an entirely different world of coolness that he's just like, I can't.
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E
Certainly a power play.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to share this with any of you. Yeah. I don't know. Because then I also think then the other side. I remember there was a couple people that invited Skipper to their wedding who was running espn. Yeah. And you're just thinking, what is that move? What is that? So, I mean, if you have a relationship with them, I guess, but it's kind of of like working it to, like, a really hard level, you know?
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D
Yeah. But if you get to a level of, like, fame or notoriety, though, like, isn't it like a. It's a. It's like a. A status symbol to invite someone of that. You know, that type of person. Right. You know, like, I feel like all these, like, you know, if you're, like, super famous, you just invite a lot of other famous people to your wedding. That's, like how it works, right?
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A
Well, I don't know, because I haven't really. I'm not getting married anytime soon. So. Yeah.
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D
You know, people there.
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A
I don't know, it would be pretty incredible. Like, anyone that I can think of that I've had any, like, crossing of paths with to just invite them all. I mean, look.
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D
Look at Bezos wedding. You think he was friends with all those people? He just invited a bunch of famous people. Right. He's not actually friends with any of them.
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A
I don't know. Could ask Carissa, like, how tight was that group really? I mean, Carissa was there for the bachelor party, so that seemed like a pretty tight knit group. I mean, it made. This isn't. I'm not sharing anything. It made the tabloids like, cheering her on.
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D
Yeah, that's my girl.
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A
I like it. I like it. I don't know. There's always somebody at work. It is kind of great, though. It's like somebody at work's like, you know, kind of disappointed you didn't invite me or whatever, and it's like, yeah, I didn't invite anybody.
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E
Well, yeah, that's the power move. But that's assuming you don't have, like, a guy at work that you're like, you know what?
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A
You should really be there for this. So I know. Okay. All right, a couple questions here. 5, 10, 1, 70. Don't lift player comp. Ricky Rubio. That's right. Some great Kenneth Garai. Ricky Rubio Audio from the archives. I coach my daughter's under 12 club soccer team. Hey, Saruti might be able to help us here. They're still quite young, but we're trying our best to lay a foundation of fundamentals and consistency, prioritizing the right way over winning this past Saturday. Within the first few minutes, it was clear our opponent was on a significantly lower playing level. I used the opportunity to reinforce things we've worked on in practice, emphasizing proper spacing and intentional passing in a game situation. Ultimately, we won six nil. I put in the nil there. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yep. Don't worry.
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D
Keep it real.
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A
Yeah. Yep. Just want to make sure everybody's staying with us. Our keeper didn't even touch the ball all game, so. All right. In the post game handshake line, their coach shook my hand and said something to the effect of, quote, your parents were rude, unquote, end quote. I guess it caught me off guard. I wasn't sure I heard her correctly, so I asked her to repeat herself and she said, quote, your parents were loud and rude. I asked if they were loud or rude, and she said both. She then went into lecture mode about being up by so much and it's inappropriate to cheer and be loud when the game is out of hand. I calmly told her that I will never discourage my parents from celebrating their daughters. She took offense to that and claimed it was unsportsmanlike. I replied that I respectfully disagreed with her opinion. Then I turned around and walked away, like we all do. I replayed the convo over and over in my head, at times wishing I'd been more of a jerk and thought of something snarky to say. I kind of like the word they loud or rude. I thought that was kind of quick, but this is a competitive soccer league we keep score. We have standings. It's not like there were Tiger woods fist pumps or air horns. For my sideline, we're talking about simple clapping and cheering. I realize it's probably their coach being frustrated after a blowout on top of what I can only assume has been a long season of blowouts for them. My question, should I have been more of a jerk to their coach? Do people actually turn to their sidelines and ask their parents to not clap and cheer if the game is out of hand? What's your ruling?
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E
Sounds like a real charger to the game moment if you ask me. You should have just said that. Let her figure out what that means.
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A
If there's anything I've ever noticed about parenting is that when a kid does something and a parent is there and it's a good thing, the parent's excited for the kid. You know, there's a.
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E
There's a correlation there. Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah. Like, this isn't even. I wouldn't even put this under the label of selfishness, but if you wanted to, like, go, root cause here, the selfishness. And again, this sounds like a negative, but maybe the pride, especially when you're talking that age, like anything they're doing that parent, parents. I don't know the dynamic. I don't know. I don't know the charts for this group for this region, but they're not going to go, hey, it's five zip. Our daughter scored. Let's rein it in. That's not going to happen. So 6, 0. When you were telling the story, I thought it was going to be like 24 to 0. I thought this was disgusting.
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D
It's not even that bad.
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A
No one is taking her side that's listening to this email. Yeah.
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E
It's a big loser talk.
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A
Yeah.
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D
This is a high ground situation. Take the high ground. Be the better man or woman or female, you know? Yeah, they all work. It sounds like a heat of the boat with the, you know, you got your ass kicked. She wasn't feeling great about it, but yeah, like, I mean, it'd be one thing if, like, one girl scored six goals on her own and the sixth one, like, she's, you know, I don't know, ripping the shirt off Brandy Chastain style and like, throw it in the air. Like, then it's like, that's a little excessive.
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A
Finger guns to everybody.
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B
Yeah.
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E
There could be some fifth quarter kids scoring here and like, those parents are going to be louder than anybody.
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A
Yeah.
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E
It's like, we can actually. We could get Bryn to Get a goal here. That'd be the highlight of her season. So, you know, that's just another thing that coach isn't thinking about.
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D
I always think about that, though. Dude, when they put in, like, the Rudy type, right, and he scores a touchdown or whatever and everyone loses their mind, it's like, that's almost worse. Isn't that almost worse? Like, you put the worst kid in and they scored on you, and like, that's. That's almost more disrespectful than scoring, like, three extra touchdowns with the A squad.
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E
It is worse. But I mean, the good, the, you know, the heartstrings part of it is that kid could have left high school without ever scoring a touchdown. Down being a tight end or something, you know, that would suck.
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D
Imagine being the team that he scored against. Like, yeah, sure, yeah, you got to keep that one to yourself. Unfortunately, it's not one you put in the.
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E
Yeah, we're watching tape Monday anyway, so.
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A
Come on. Yep. I went 0:14 on my fifth grade basketball team and made me the man I am today.
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E
God, I wish we had T shirts.
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D
Well, hey.
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A
Yeah. Hey. Yeah, Write that one down. Yeah, look, I mean, that was tough going. Getting on the bus, get your ass kicked by the Eagles again. You know, your recess just. I think I've told that story. Then we came back the next year, 24 0. My dad was coach. Title game.
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E
Your dad took over as coach that year?
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A
No, no, that. Owen14s on him. He couldn't coach K that one at all. So, yeah, he's 24 and 14 those two years.
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D
I actually don't think I have heard the story. Was it the same team? Did you guys just get older? You train harder? Did you get some new guys? Like, how did this. How did you switch Flip really focused.
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E
On box outs that summer.
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A
I could do an hour on this. He could do two hours on it. So we had moved to a new town and, you know, whatever, like the youth basketball stuff was before that. I was, like, dribbling around cones, whatever. And so then it was, like, actually sort of organized at fifth grade. So it was like fifth and sixth grade because the junior high was separate. And so he was like, you know, what's. What's the story here with the teams? And they're like, we have this many teams. He's like, well, I want to coach my son. And they were like, well, we don't have another team for. And he was like, well, what if. Is there any way to do expansion? He was big on expansion even back then. Wow. And so they said, yeah, no problem. So they gave. We had all fifth graders in a fifth and sixth. And granted a couple of the sixth graders were like, 13 should have been in seventh grade. And so it was like me and another kid shout out to George o'. Connell. He was really good. And then it was like me and him, and then, you know, we just weren't very good. We were pretty underdeveloped. Like there were certain matchups there or just going to be a problem. So we just got murdered for the whole season. And as we were getting killed all season long and, you know, new guy in town, the other coaches, it was kind of like a townie type of town too, at that time. And they were. They were giving them the what for a little ribbing, you know, we were getting shit on all the time, you know, during basketball season when we were in school. And so the whole year. Yeah, well, Pizza Hut would have been sweet if we had had one. So the whole year as like these other coaches, because my dad, you know, he's tall, he'd played. So there was like a little extra from. You could just always sense it was like, oh, basketball genius. Wanted expansion team, you know, the whole thing. And he's like, they stink. But it was like we had no chance. We really didn't have much of a chance. So the whole year they were like, you get the number one pick. I mean, this is crazy, but I remember listening. It's like, you get the number one pick. Next year you get the number one pick. He got. So going into sixth grade, like, we have everybody back. Yeah, we kind of tanked.
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D
Sam Hinkey. He wasn't the first one.
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E
Holy shit.
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A
So that whole year as that's happening, it's like, number one pick. So we fast forward to the next year and there's kind of this open gym run for the coaches to figure out, like, who's going to be. It's kind of like a combine, right? Because it was a couple new kids moved to town, you know, whatever, who's not assigned to a roster. I mean, this is unbelievable. Now you think about it, Keeper league. And so.
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D
Like real life fantasy, they're.
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A
Getting ready to do the draft. And like, me and a couple of my buddies are just shooting around in the gym and they're getting ready to do the draft. And I can hear my father being like, are you out of your fucking minds? Like, to these other coaches. And so they came up to him and they were like, your team's going to be loaded. So we think you should actually get the last pick. Like, your kid's going to be good. George is really good. You have everybody back. Other guys are in junior high now. So the more. Yeah, the more we thought about it. And there was a kid. There was like, this bruiser from Texas, shout out Jay McGuire. And my dad, I remember, I was like, no, I want this other kid. I was telling my dad, and he was like, you're wrong. He was like, we're playing a 13 zone. I'm gonna put this kid at the bottom of it. He's gonna just. Just beat up on people, everybody. And I was like, I don't know. I was like, I think I would take the other kid. And he's like, you're wrong. And so I was like, all right, whatever. So my father already had this kid. Like, he was like, I'm taking this kid. He's just a brute of a kid. And so these coaches got together and like, hey, you know, we decided something. You're getting the last pick. And my father didn't drink, so he wasn't, like, socially with these guys or anything like that. So they had just come up with this idea, not telling him and then present it that night, like, you're actually getting the last pick. So that's when I heard him be like, are you out of your minds? No. And they were like, oh. He's like, I'm taking the first pick. And he just, like, looked at them and they gave in. And he was like, Jay McGuire. And then we went 24. Zero. Wow.
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D
So they were probably right.
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A
Yeah, they were probably right. Yeah.
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E
I formed at Marty's Bar was a good one, but.
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A
But I have told that story because then when we played in the championship game, we'd beaten the Eagles, I think, three times that year. And we were down like, 8, 2. And they were wiling the Eagles. And my dad called the timeout, and he just sat us down. He was like, are you guys fucking kidding me? Like, really? Really? Like, he never swore at us ever. And he did. In that moment, he's like, you beat these guys all year long. Are you seriously gonna do this? Or. Or something to that effect? And we turned it around. We responded to that kind of hard coaching.
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D
I love that you remember this.
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A
That well. Yeah. And then we had a pizza party. We made shirts.
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E
Shirts. Print the shirts, dude.
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A
It said 24. And, oh, in the shirts, too. So the extra games of the playoffs. And he counted, like, the four exhibition games, too, because he was like, fuck it. Probably because he had that 0 and 14 on his record. Yeah, just.
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E
You got to balance it out.
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A
Yeah. Good times. All right. The only other thing I could have thought that would be super mean is you just said to her, it's like, sounds like somebody needs some mansplaining.
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D
Oh, man.
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A
All right. Incessant licking. I have no idea where this is going. Love the pod read. Yeah, I'm going for it warmed up now. Relate to your sensibilities in many ways. Roughly the same age. Spent time studying those Bones Brigade videos in the 80s. Yeah. Yeah. I wish you guys. Kyle, you would have loved Public Domain. I might buy you a copy on vhs Band.
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E
Oh, movie.
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A
Yeah. Okay. I think we were supposed to have. I think there was some lineup to maybe get Mike Valle on, but I don't know. I think I was supposed to go to San Diego for it. I was like. I don't know, like, hey, man, remember when you used to do those videos? I was a little worried about the prep on that.
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D
That was awesome.
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A
Yeah, that was. Remember that other part of the video? I also fell in love with Basket. The basketball players are not on my team. Your Charles Barkley and Chris Paul are my Reggie Miller and Dame Lillard. I'm a lifelong Lakers fan. Players comp. Corliss Williamson. Ooh, more bruiser than baller. Sounds like Jay McGuire parked in the paint most of the time. But every now and then I would get lost and end up at the three point line and let it go. I'd call myself streaky, though most of the streaks were cold. Now to the actual dilemma. Our daughter and her partner recently came home for a visit. Quick backstory. Both just left the Navy after seven years each. Thank you for your service. And they lived with us what was supposed to be a short reset that turned into 18 months. Some resets are longer than others.
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E
That no one is just. I mean, it's gotta be amazing being full on adult forever and then all of a sudden that your biggest expenses just could kind of be gone. That's awesome.
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A
I do always think about that. The number of people that are in the reset phase that are like this sucks, versus the number of people who are like this. Cheat code for life.
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E
Cheat code for life.
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D
Just don't say anything.
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E
Let them make the first move.
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A
Never give a specific timeline. I will use vagueness as my armor. All right, all right. So with them came their 80 pound. 80 pound golden retriever who sheds enough fur. I was waiting for climate to show the story. Yeah, I'll just say the Roomba was overmatched. Sweet dog. Total golden Energy. How would you guys is more dog guys than me. How would you explain golden energy running into doors?
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B
Lovable.
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E
Yeah, lovable lunk. You know, a little bit goofy, but.
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A
You know, not the smartest dogs. Right, right.
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E
Right intentions. You know what I mean? You figured would still be 10 toes down for you, but every once in a while you're like, God. Guess it just comes with the territory.
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A
Yeah.
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E
What the hell was that?
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A
But not the most practical decision at the time, especially considering their housing uncertainty. Yeah, that's also like another thing. It's like, hey, do we know where we're living? Nope. Do you want to get a huge dog? Yep.
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D
Sign me up.
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A
Oh, man, I love the thought process of so many people. Fast forward to their most recent visit. So they've been out of the house for a year at this point. All right. Oh, all right. It works. Take some pride in that. You helped him with the reset. I am on one end of the sectional watching football, and our daughter's partner is on the other end scrolling on her phone. We have one of those lovesac modular sectionals that's pretty big, but it wasn't big enough. You like that? That's a good sectional. I like that.
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E
I'd like to get one one day.
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A
All right. Who knows? So the dog walks over to our daughter in law, for lack of better term, starts licking her lower leg. Heavy. All caps. Not just a quick lick, but extended deep calf to knee coverage that went on and on. I kept waiting for river eroding.
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E
A valley, right?
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A
Dad, why is the Grand Canyon. Well, when the ice. I kept waiting for her to shut it down, but no, it just kept going. At a certain point, I wanted to yell, enough with the licking. But did I not want to risk offending her? She had already expressed being a burden to us from their year and a half sabbatical at our house. So look, her. Her head's in the right place. I ended up leaving. What's that? Go ahead.
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D
Awareness.
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A
That's good. Yeah. Yeah, right? Yeah, right.
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E
Like, little too aware if you ask me. Can't say anything in your own house, but okay.
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A
Yeah, but at least she thanked them and expressed, hey, this is a bit disruptive and we were here for you. You know, there's plenty of people doing these things.
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E
I mean, the guy who's like, about to say, like, enough. What's that about? Like, I don't.
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D
No, no, I'm saying awareness. Why would you. It's good that she's aware that she is kind of being burdened.
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E
I thought you Were saying the dad, like, biting his tongue. She's in the navy. You could give it, you know, take it. Take a chance here and there with something that seems innocuous. Anyway.
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A
Yeah, no, it's a good call, sailor. You know, they're not the most housebroken people, sailors. I don't know. Maybe that's just the nautical part of me talking. Just a quick lick, but extended deep cap. All right, so we got that part. You guys want me to repeat that over? I ended up leaving the room before I blurted it out. So what's the right move here? Do I let it ride and accept that some people are fine being treated like a popsicle by a golden retriever? Do I step in as a homeowner and dad who still has to sit on that couch? I realize that I'm of a certain age where my patience intolerance is not where it used to be, but I felt like the lick fest would have bothered just about anybody. Appreciate the advice. He wants us to use his real name, but we won't. Just in case, I will say quickly.
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D
I have two dogs, as I've said this before, they, you know, the paw licking, it happens. I'll come sit next to you on the couch, and they lick their paws, and it's my dog, and I'm there by myself, and it annoys me. So I, I. This is 100% a valid reason to get pissed off.
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A
Wow. Uptight. A little uptight with the dogs. And it's your dog, sir Rudy.
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D
No, it's just like, you just, you know, you tap him on the head, be like, hey, dude, like, chill out. Like, this is disgusting. It's a terrible sound. It's disgusting. Especially like, you know, you wake up in the middle of the night and you hear the dog licking.
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A
You're like, oh, God.
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D
Like, get so, like, he is. It is 100% just. It's disgusting. It's a horrible sound. It's. We could all agree on that.
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A
Kyle, you. You would never tell your dog to stop licking his paws, I bet.
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E
Well, I guess he is. He's someone who has to sit on the couch. Could he be a no dogs on the couch guy? There are no huge dogs on the couch guy. I mean, that's not like a crazy thing. It's not.
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D
I know the dog would come over and lick anyway, though. He could just stand on the floor and, like, the liquor legs and, you know, we're. We haven't stopped.
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B
I mean, if you're.
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E
If I, you know, I. I haven't lived with A dog in a while. But if that's something that, like, you know, grossed me out a little bit or like, you know, fruity certainly has a problem with it. I could tell, like, I tapped a dog. Like I said, we're just trying to break bad habits here. I don't think you're. I'm not calling your dog disgusting to your face or anything. We're just gonna break that habit.
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D
Give him a toy.
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A
Yeah.
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E
You know, I think you could totally say that. You don't have to say how, you know, you don't have to say. It's like lowering the value of your couch or whatever like that. That's like a classic, you know, make the one point, not the. Not the second one.
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A
That's.
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E
But I think there's. You should be able to figure out a way to get this across again. Two sailors.
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A
You know, I think.
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E
I think everyone. Everyone will leave.
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A
Okay. Yeah.
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D
There are also. There are people who like to be licked by dogs, and there are people that don't like to be licked by dogs. And that doesn't have anything to do with whether you're a dog person or not. Like, I don't like to personally be. My wife and I are not dog licking people. We don't like them to. To do that. We'll have friends come over and it's just like right in the face. My dog just licks their entire face. And they're pumped about it. That's not me, so it's kind of a personal preference thing.
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A
I'm not into it. I know that's not a shock to anybody. I remember during peak chino days where you didn't just have one pair of khaki chinos, you had five to seven pairs of khaki chinos and didn't matter if they looked the exact same way. If the pleats were the same, you could just rock them every single day. And you were. You were good. But. But, you know, dog licking, crotch troll area, peak chino days, just brutal recipe for disaster, right? And then the owner be like, oh, what'd you piss yourself? Like, no, your dog licked my. My scrotum as soon as I walked in the door. Clip that non stop is what happened. I did not piss myself. Your dog did that. That's from your dog's mouth. What's up today? What's the plan?
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D
Let me get my backup chinos out.
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A
Yeah. Thank God I have five pairs. Yeah. Gaps. Never out of stock these. I think if you yelled about it, no problem. It's a lot of patience. Is this a one time licking?
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D
Yelling is aggressive. I would yell, I would just say like, like that's gross. Could you stop?
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A
Yeah, kind of like a shameful observation instead of an accusation. Yeah. Like that's disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. That sound is rough.
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D
Yeah, you just say something like that, you know, or it smells like. Or get him a toy or you know, is he bored or are you showering for this? There's a number of different ways you can go.
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A
Yeah, yeah. She lived there for 18 months. It's not like you just met. Yeah.
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E
Choose your own adventure.
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A
You'll figure this out. But if it's not going to happen a lot, you know, I think time number two, be fine, get up, be like, hey, I'm going to go to the bathroom and then not wash my hands. I'll be back in five minutes. Like what? I don't. What does that mean? I think that's a good spot to end. Today's Life Advice Today's Life Advice was brought to you by Amazon Business. It's time to free up your teams and focus on your future. Learn more about the technology, insights and Support available@AmazonBusiness.com that'll do it for the show today. Thanks to Jonathan Frias Saruti Kyle Brian Rosula Podcast on our Spotify app where you can watch us or on YouTube. Please subscribe. Ryan Rosula Podcast Ringer Spotify they were.
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C
Gonna name me Michael Jordan. My dad was like, I don't think he can live up to it. So they named me Michael Jared.
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A
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