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Eagles Dominate Chiefs. How Bad Is This Loss on Mahomes's Résumé? Plus, Trent Dilfer on Always Believing in Jalen Hurts.
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Ryan Rosillo
Foreign Eagles, your Super bowl champs in dominant fashion. Did anyone see this coming? Well, ask Trent Dilfer what he thought of the game going in and the execution, how it played out. Was there anything Mahomes could have done to make this any better for his side? I'm going to run through some of the historical stuff that we saw, in particular the four man pass rush. That was the story. They won all night and it's all they needed. And of course, one more look at with new data points, the Mahomes Brady Pursuit and Life Advice this episode of the Ryan Marcillo Podcast is presented by AT&T. There's a lot in life that should be guaranteed but isn't. Like your favorite team making the playoffs or finding matching socks in the dryer. I hate that. And then there's AT&T guaranty. It means connectivity you can depend on, deals you want and service you deserve or AT&T will make it right. Visit att.com guaranty to learn more. AT&T connecting changes everything. Terms and conditions apply. Visit att.comguarantee for details. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. State Farm helps you score an affordable price when you choose to bundle home and auto insurance with the personal price plan. You can choose the insurance coverage that fits your needs at a price you can afford. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can bundle and save with a personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer, availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. Well, you can't pick against my homes or that will happen. I don't want to swear this early into the podcast, but it would be appropriate if you want to swear a lot. I'm sure both fan bases were swearing either in celebration last night or if you're a Chiefs fan. How did that happen at 10? Oh you're going wait. Mahomes has been down 100 all of his other Super Bowls. Like man, that's a great stat. What about 34 0? Is that something that he can come back from? No, that doesn't happen a lot. And to recap this whole thing and throw some numbers at you, you've already seen them all. But this was and I'm going to swear now. This was an all time ass kicking and historic ass kicking because of who is behind center for the Kansas City Chiefs. So 24 nothing at halftime, 13 to 1 in first downs in favor of Philly. 39 plays only 20 for Kansas City. But I bring that up because at one point it was 10 first downs for Philadelphia. Kansas City had run 10 plays on offense. Yards 179 to 23 passing yards 117 to 20. 20 passing yards for Patrick Mahomes in the first half of the Super Bowl. 20 rush attempts, Philly 23 for 62 yards, 2.7 to carry. Kansas City did a good job against the run. You know what's better than that? Three rushing attempts for 3 yards in the first half for Kansas City. So the story of the game was Philly destroying Kansas City's old line with a four man rush. If you can win with four, you can do a lot of things and you're going a lot of games. And as I was going through the big plays and paying attention to the four man rush because I kept like the way I'll watch a game is, you know, there's certain things I'll kind of be like, oh, I wonder what will happen here. I wonder what's going on there. I try not to ball watch. I wish I never watched it because we always get to see the replay but sometimes you can't help yourself. And as I'm watching the pressure get there, I'd rewind and be like oh okay, how did the pressure get there this time? And then I was consistently just looking at it going, oh man, they're winning with four, they're winning with four, they're winning with four again. Up they got there with four again. I think there was even one play where they got decent pressure where they only sent three guys. But that was the whole point is they didn't ever need to use an extra defender to get pressure against Patrick Mahomes. 42 drop backs, zero blitzes by Philadelphia's defense on those 42 drop backs. They sacked him six times, the most in a game for Mahomes career. 16 pressures. They also, according to NextGen on the four man pass rush, zero blitz approach played zone on all but two of his drop backs. They played this cover four scheme 59.5% of the time which the third highest any team has played that kind of coverage by a defense in a game since 2018. It's the second worst performance of Mahomes career by EP EPA. Expected points added minus 19.3. So the second worst game of his career was last night in a Super Bowl. And if you look at some of these other stats, this is according to ESPN research, Mahomes is the sixth QB to never be blitzed in a Super bowl game in super bowl history. The teams that never blitzed, their record in those six games, 6, 0. But at 10 0, I still had a little faith. Even though I'm like, man, they're getting there and I'm getting there. Well, at least I got to my faith because of Mahomes and who he's been. But if you look at like that 100 possession, Kansas City gets the ball and you go play by play. Sweat is lined up across from Kelsey. Kelsey is supposed to be in the block off the snap. Kelsey isn't even out of his stance and Sweat is past him. I don't know what that is. I've watched the play over and over again. I was watching it this morning because it was so alarming last night. It's like, did he not know the count did? Was he supposed to chip and then get out? But I think the way he played it, he was supposed to stay in and block or at least do something. And it just. He was never even like, Sweat was gone. Kelsey's still standing there on second and 14 right after that. Hunt on the other side for Philadelphia just pushes Tuni back into the pile and it collapses around Mahomes. And then you're looking at third and forever and it's the pick six. Mahomes had time, but he still flushes out to his right. You could also have thrown probably a holding flag on Juan Taylor if you wanted to on that play. Mahomes throws the pick. And it's not just a pick against pressure, it's a pick against a defense or a defensive player, in this case in Cooper De Jean that Mahomes just never even sees. Like, those are the picks that the great ones usually never have. Like maybe a guy makes a play on a ball. I always look at picks towards the end when you're desperate and you're just trying to move the chains. It's fourth down or something. Like those picks I have less of a problem with. But when somebody doesn't see somebody, and that's when you're thinking, is it because of this pressure? And it's already getting to him. Like, how does he throw a pick in that spot? Because clearly he doesn't even see that DeJean's underneath. DeJean runs it back. Pick six, the next pick, right? Because at that point it's 17 nothing. Kansas City first and 10 after they had gone three and out, Philadelphia punts. Kansas City first attended their own six yard line. Sweat pushes Tuney right into Mahomes again. And this interception is not even close. Zach Bond makes the play. Great play by the linebacker. Always feel like linebackers are the guys that quarterbacks never think they're gonna make the interception. Except for, like, a very short list of guys. Bond, great on this. The throw's not even close. Mahomes is hit. But on first down and first and six with 145 to go, you're thinking, you know, what should Mahomes do there? Well, he can't go down. Cause he's in the end zone. He's probably thinking he's going to still figure this game out. So he's willing to be aggressive, knowing that they need six even with a full field to go. But that pressure getting stepped on by his own guy, you can say that's not really on him. But the whole point is that all of this is, like, collectively tied to all of it. So is this interception worse than that interception? None of it really matters because we're talking about a situation where Mahomes looked uncomfortable in a way that I don't know that we've ever seen before. And it was in the Super Bowl. Ten seconds later, it's 24 nothing. So here the good news after getting your doors beaten in. If you're a Chiefs fan, you don't have to defend your team against everyone saying there's a conspiracy. The games are rigged for you. Right? And bring this up, too, because you know you're feeling bad today. I used to remember, like, when my team lost, I just couldn't go online for a little while. And this is before, like, there was a real online presence that we have today. I'm talking about, like, early days of ESPN.com page two. Like, couldn't look at it. Couldn't watch SportsCenter. Like, I'm just gonna sit there and see the trophy go to those guys over and over and over again. Like, I'm trying to have breakfast here before I decide what to do with my day. So I'm going to watch SportsCenter four straight times until I finally decide if I'm going to leave the house. But I don't need to watch this trophy presentation over and over and over again. Granted, you probably don't do that anymore, but the point is, like, you kind of have to go into hiding. But this should. At least if you're a Chiefs fan, the positive that you can't feel today, but maybe months from now you can feel is you'll be able to say, well, if it were rigged, then why did they take that one off? Why did. Wasn't it supposed to be for the three peat. Taylor Swift in the building, the whole deal. Like, wasn't this the script that I kept hearing about over and over and over again? Because in that first call on A.J. brown and the offensive pass interference, you had people at the super bowl parties that you were at, if it wasn't just Chief Sands that were like, here we go again. Well, now you have evidence. It's like, well, wait, what happened there? So that's a positive. On the other side of thing, Hertz wins the MVP. 1722, 221 yards, two touchdowns. The one pick did run at 11 times. 72 yards, one touchdown. So three touchdowns. I guess he's going to win it. I would have loved for somebody to have gotten another D line. I don't know. If you just look at Josh Sweat and go, well, he has two and a half sacks, so he has more than the other guys. I think it's probably like you'd have to watch the film to understand who really, really was destroying everything. But Sweat showed up a lot in a lot of plays where he didn't actually even get a sack. So maybe he was supposed to get it. I thought that they were the story, but the quarterback is like just the default setting. You've got to do a lot on your team for the quarterback to not win mvp. I did think the Nike ad was a little weird. I don't think that Hertz has been relevant enough to have an entire Nike ad built around hate. But as I've told you for years now, almost every ad on every athlete, because everyone is too online, is built around the motive of going back at the haters. Whether it's the Steph documentary on Apple. And as much as I love Steph, him being in the car listening to talk radio, some guy calling into a show, doubting the team. It's like, man, every one of these storytelling devices about today's athlete is always about the hate. Because again, they have access to hate in a way that athletes have never had access to hate to hate before. And this ends up becoming the marketing thing. As I'm watching that hurts thing, I was just like, look, I think a lot of people think he's pretty good. They don't think he's one of the all timers. And that's okay too. You want to force that topic in today? Good luck. You're probably wrong if you think Hertz is going to be one of the all timers, but he was great and good enough last night. Vic Fangio, I would imagine the week leading up the two weeks leading up with his defensive group, Were they watching the film of these tackles for Kansas City going, this is going to be ugly. I don't know. I mean we can go through and some of the postgame stuff and everything, but people probably don't want to be. But I would love to know like the real story maybe years from now where these guys salivating, watching film going, we're going to destroy these tackles and because we're going to get there with four all night long and our depth on the details line, that it's not going to matter because they still have to worry about the big guys in the middle. So you edge guys can do a lot of the work, but they have to worry about our guys in the middle. We're going to have the extra defender back there, we're going to play zone. They're all going to be looking at Mahomes and guess what, he's going to have a rough night. Like could you actually be that confident because of the prep and what you see on film execute the game plan, but could you be that confident against somebody like Mahomes? Because I still think that whether the players, the coaching staff going, we love our plan, we love our matchup, we have this but damn, what if that guy figures it out? Because that's what the quarterback position is about at the highest level, it's problem solving. It's solving the problem and Mahomes could not solve the problem. Last night I actually thought Mahomes kind of despite getting destroyed in that Tampa one did a much better job of attempting to solve the problem against Tampa, destroying their tackles years ago than anything we saw last night. Picking the Eagles going in is going to be scary for me. I think it was going to be scary for a lot of people because of everything we've talked about with Mahomes and I think it's that simple at times. You know, look, I didn't pick Nick Foles against Tom Brady either. I don't regret that. Maybe I regret this one a little bit more because if you look at the talent and what this front office has done, it's spectacular Weapons Hertz, best offensive line in football. They bring in Saquon. They, they seem to be pretty like straightforward about the defensive line. Like, hey, was that guy awesome at Georgia? Let's go take him. Let's go do that. And completely overhaul the secondary with young players playing this many snaps, all making big impacts throughout this entire season. Like this is an all time job by Howie Roseman in this front office. But you just never expect to have Mahomes look this bad, even if you like the 1 through 53 advantage that Philadelphia had going into the game. Because now this comes full circle to the Mahomes Brady stuff. Brady was really good on the broadcast last night. He was really good on loss and talking about how much the first giant super bowl loss on the doorstep of an undefeated season, how much that still bothers him, how he thinks about three losses more than the seven wins. I think it would make sense where you go, man, you know, you're really going to let it bother you that much. But I think the fact that these guys that are so good at what they do, the greats, they obsess about all of it. The obsessing part that may haunt them today, the obsessing part of it is probably part of the DNA that makes them great in the first place. So it's like, all right, whatever, I may be miserable about some of these things that have happened in my life, but it helped me get here as well. So there's two ways of looking at the Brady Mahomes thing today. Because the Mahomes pursuit is dented. I don't know if it could be buffed out, but it's dented with that kind of result. Last night, sometimes I felt like it was insane to suggest that Mahomes was trending towards surpassing Brady. That was making a lot of assumptions about what the rest of the resume was going to look like. But we knew Mahomes had, you know, a long Runway here. But then at the same time, I felt like it was kind of simplistic to just dismiss the idea that Mahomes could be better than Brady because of just counting stuff. And there's an argument to be made that Mahomes impact earlier in his career statistically is superior to Brady's and that Mahomes had the two MVPs by 27. And Mahomes, Brady, excuse me, didn't have his first one until he was 30 years old. So I think there's some like head to head individual stuff that you could point to. And you could also go like, all right, well look, there's still three and two in their first five Super Bowls. So what's, what's really out of reach? The problem is the result was so one sided last night. Brady doesn't have any of these games. He doesn't have any of these games in a Super bowl resume. Nothing even close to this. You got the 31 9. That's a head to head. All right. And I would ask, like my home's people, like, if it were the other way around, would you ever say, hey, he beat him head to head? Of course you would. So, you know, it's kind of like the college football arguments that we'll have every now and then, like, okay, that's fine, that's your position now. But if it were reverse, would you dismiss that? Of course you would. If we go through Brady's losses, he's got the David Tyree catch on that Manning drive. Kind of a ridiculous thing. The Manningham catch after the Welker miscue in the rematch. And then Foles putting up offense all day long on Brady, who threw for 505 yards. New England had over 600 yards of offense and they lost because that defense couldn't stop Nick Foles. So those are his three losses. So as far as like the resumes and all that kind of stuff, like, Brady doesn't have anything, like last night doesn't have anything like the head to head and this stuff will matter. And we're trying to just whittle it down to who are the, you know, who of these two people are the best to ever do it. You have to bring this stuff up now. But there's another part of this where with Mahomes, like, Brady helped us understand last night. Like this one, she'll haunt Mahomes. I don't know how he's ever going to get over this one because Brady told us it's not more Super Bowls because Mahomes is probably going to win some more Super Bowls. But you're on the doorstep of a three peat, first team to ever do it in the super bowl era, and you're going to be thinking, how did that other team make me look that bad for three and a half hours on a Sunday night, a game I'd already played in multiple times? Like, it wasn't the atmosphere, it wasn't the pressure, it wasn't the buildup. I've seen everything. People are saying I am the best to ever do it despite the resume. And I looked lost for one night. How did I let that happen? How did I not figure it out? How did I let my offensive line, like, how did I not help them? Because I had a couple moments last night where I was like, I don't know that Brady would let this happen for three and a half hours if he knew the pressure was going to get to him. And you could even say it wasn't three and a half hours because they scored some points at the end of the game. Those don't matter. But if we want to end on accounting note, Mike Mahomes does have a long Runway. He has a lot of time to catch up and all he has to do is in 14 years still be good enough to win a Super Bowl NB MVP like Brady did when he beat him when he was 44 years old. And now it's time for today's winning bundle segment presented by State Farm. There's something to be said about a strong coach player relationship. 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A plan against one of the great quarterbacks of all time. And they executed it to perfection. We want to talk about a coach being in his unit's corner. A bunch of players knowing that they can execute that coach's plan. We saw it on display for over three hours on a Sunday night while America watched. You know what else is better? Together Building your home and auto insurance with the Personal Price plan from State Farm. The Personal price plan lets you call the place so you can choose the right coverage at a price that's right for you. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can bundle and save with a personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. 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But I don't know, man, that was ugly. So we'll, we'll, we're still going to do this and figure it out. But thanks for joining us. How are you?
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Trent Dilfer
I'm doing great, Ryan. It's great to see. I miss doing the show with you. Let's make it more often.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, absolutely. Okay, look, look, I, you know, I picked Mahomes like everybody, like so many other people, just tough guy to pick against. And then you're watching it play out. And I remember as I said in the open, I'm like, man, they're getting there with four a lot. Like, oh, that was with four again. Yep, no blitzes. And then we know historically, like, they never blitzed my home. So I imagine in the preparation. Fangio and that unit were thinking, hey, is this the base? Is this the foundation for what we're going to try to do today? Or maybe they're like, let's see if this works and if it holds up and then maybe we'll adapt throughout it. But when, when you started to see that become a major, major problem for Kansas City, like go into kind of what you think was happening with that group.
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Trent Dilfer
Well, I thought two things were working in conjunction. And I'll start with probably what is not going to be talked about as much today, which is the offensive side for Philly. When you saw Philly get the ball and take advantage of Kansas City's run stopping plan and the Chiefs had a great run stopping plan, I mean, not good one, a great one. Movement up front, playing over the top of back blocks, chasing down the zone plays and then can't. And then Philly goes, okay, well then we're going to throw the football and when you play man, we're going to take advantage of man matchups and when you play zones, we're going to hit you kind of in that middle of the field to numbers area, take advantage of your zones. And Jalen's 9 for 11 at one point with a drop and you're like, okay, so now we're going to get the lead, Philly's going to get the lead and we're going to be able to play a two high shell and take advantage of the matchups up front that we knew we had. And I don't think, I don't think that was a myth. You know, I don't think that. I think everybody I watched and listened to leading up to the super bowl understood that Philly had a tremendous advantage on the defensive line to Kansas City's offensive line. Kansas City's dealt with some issues this year up there and, and Philly's just maybe the best in the league. So you knew there'd be a mismatch. But if Kansas City keep the game close and you know, mix run, pass, keep them honest, throw on their terms, let Mahome play the passing game on his terms, then you could really understand, okay, this can be a close game. Get to the fourth quarter and Mahomes magic comes out. But as you're watching, Philly just dominate offensively as well, then you're like, well, this is going to be an all day sucker for the Chiefs. They got no chance. And I just thought it was a brilliant job by Kellen of calling the game of Hertz. Executing wasn't Heavy lifting for the receivers. I mean this was not a complex thing. These were very simple. I mean remedial past concepts that had zone man answers. There was a third and eight, I want to say second or third series where they caught Kansas City in a zone coverage and they threw quick game on third Nate. You know, they threw what we call D stick, which is a basic, you know, try it. First and second down player trying to get four to six yards and they're calling on third Nate. And what that told me was that they had a real good beat on. If Kansas City plays zones, they're going to play deep and soft and there's going to be pockets in there. And if they're going to play, man, they're going to be aggressive because they're expecting run. And now we have a chance to win our one on one matchups and that thing was over in about 10 minutes.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I thought, you know, I've enjoyed Brady. I know it's not the way everybody wants it to be out of the jump, but I think there's some moments in there and like when he showed Hertz kind of doing the gun signal to A.J. brown on the outside and I think they ended up getting in a matchup that they liked. But there was stuff that I think I'd be talking about more today if it was a close game because of, of some of the little things that clearly all these guys are really comfortable with in, in how they saw the matchups where you know, granted Phillies D line has the advantage. It's crazy to think with this young secondary that Philly secondary would have the advantage because there's guys in the secondary that I really like, I like Kansas City's linebackers better than I like Philadelphia's linebackers. But in, in the case that you're, you're speaking to, I mean even the shot to Devonte when you're like, okay, they're probably just going to dial it back here like they're in complete control of this football game. You know, if this had been a shootout, there were probably going to be even more matchups that were exploited here for the way Hertz and this receiving core worked.
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Trent Dilfer
Yeah, there was a, you know, there's. There was a comment early in the game. Was it an interview pregame with Mahomes? I'm going to get to your point here, but I'm going to use Mahomes example. I can't remember who it was. Was Aaron Andrews maybe was asking Mahomes before the game, hey, you've struggled getting started Fast. And Mahomes said, yes, we got to keep it simpler, right? That's what the lessons learned even though they've won these games is that we got to be simpler up the beginning of the game. Well, that's what Philly learned more than Kansas City. I mean, you want to talk about as simplistic of a plan as you could possibly draw offensively and defensively, Philly had it. I mean, this offensive plan was brilliant in its simplicity. And it basically told you that, hey, if you're going to play us this way, meaning aggressive, downhill man, tight coverage, then we feel like we are going to take individual shots, runaways or shots. And they always had a runaway, like a man runaway beater or a shot beater. And regardless of down in distance, we're taking it. I mean, the fourth down where they throw it to AJ on the sideline, they get the little push off call against them. But it was very, you know, you practice that all week long. We're not trying to get a first down here. You want to play us, man, you want to isolate him, then we're going to take the shot regardless down the distance. The Devonte touchdown doesn't matter.
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Ryan Rosillo
The score.
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Trent Dilfer
Score of the game is. Doesn't matter. Hey, you want to challenge us, we're going to go up top. The one that got him down for the first score, that almost scored, you know, you want to challenge us, we don't care who it is out there running the individual matchup, we're going to take the shot. We believe we're better than you. Manu a mano in those situations. Defensively was the same way. We're going to play a two high big Fangio defense. Quarters match, cover two different variations of split safety, and we're going to get after you with four. There's one more thing. Make sure you get to me on the pass rush plan Philly had that I thought was really brilliant too. But the plan in general was just so simple that the players knew it. There was great conviction. You know, they saw soft zones. There was a couple times they did call shots and I thought, I love Brady calling games. I don't watch a ton of NFL during the season anymore. I'm too busy. But when I do watch a game in entirety tends to be the Fox game. So I've probably heard Tom four to six times. I think he does a really good job and I think he mentioned this too, is like the, the decisiveness for which Jalen got the ball out of his hands to his underneath receivers when they Were wrong on what they called. So Kellen would call a shot on early downs, Kansas City bluff, kind of this man, tight coverage look and boom, they jetted out of there in these spot drop zones. He wasn't waiting for something big. He immediately hit the back in the flat or immediately hit the tight end underneath or immediately hit the receiver underneath and let him run. There was no, we call it pitching backwards, right? You're trying to take the shot, but they're going to take the shot away. Boom, you pitch it underneath, you throw it underneath and let the guy run after the catch. So it was just, they were so decisive. Philly was on both sides of the ball because of the simplicity of the plan.
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Ryan Rosillo
There is a number here from NextGen. If we're looking at the defensive matchup and maybe before I share the number, like you think about how you want to attack Mahomes, you can sit there and say, well, we don't want to really blitz him a lot. I, I, that's something that I've learned over the years is like if you want to go into a game against like one of the all time greats, you think you're just going to heat them up. Like they're, they're going great, great, blitz me all game because I'm going to figure it out and you're just not going to be able to hold up in the backhand. So there's one part of it where you realize you're winning with four the entire time. So you're like, even if we wanted to be creative and give him different looks, we actually don't need to do that because we're getting there. And then you're thinking, okay, the win is we have this extra guy in coverage. What happens here? Because the number from next gen was that it was this cover four that you're talking about that Philly played 59.5% of the snaps, the third highest rate by a defense playing that kind of coverage in a game since 2018. What does that coverage do beyond just okay, we're getting there for we have an extra guy. But in particular like I because I could even understand Philly thinking with their corners and how well they've played. Like we actually are so not afraid of Kansas City's receivers that we could just play, man. And we trust our guys to hold up. If we get beat a couple times, then we can adjust. They never had to adjust any of it the entire time. So what does that look give somebody like Mahomes with this group?
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Trent Dilfer
Well, I again, a football Junkie is going to, you know, blow this answer up. I'm trying to keep it pretty simple. Um, it's a match zone. So what that means I. Here's a better way of saying it's a sticky zone. So it's a zone coverage. So you, you're responsible for areas of the field so you're very decisive of how you can play those areas based on how the receivers deploy within their routes. Then tells you how sticky you are within your zone as a player. Deployment deploys into your zone. Okay. Then there's reading off number two. If two goes the flat, the corner can come off and becomes a cloud. So it's an organic zone. So the greatest thing about VIX defense is it's one call with multiple reactions to it. It can be super sticky by certain players, it can be super passive by certain players so they can help if nobody jumps in their zone right away. It can be a read coverage meaning they do offense does one thing. So we know because they do that we can read and kind of have a built in double coverage on somebody. And then there's eyes on the quarterback and that I think there's two key things to hear that I, that I've heard Tom talk about before and again I did not have the sound on for the whole game. So he may have and, but he had mentioned the game earlier, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago. The scariest thing for a quarterback in all of football is to be rushed hard while the defensive seven in, in the back end is looking at you. So eyes on defense with hard rush. Now with a, with not a hard rush and eyes on, not a big deal because you can manipulate those guys. You can find windows, you can, you can actually dictate terms. But when you get rushed hard and you have seven set of eyeballs looking at you, well, the deeper they are with their eyeballs looking at you, guess what they're looking at. As soon as my hand comes off the ball, those eyes are reacting to where I'm looking. And because a distance say they're 12 yards back, they also can judge how long that ball is going to be in the air so they can close those windows. And that most quarterback, in fact all quarterbacks I've ever talked to and I lived it was we intuitively know how fast they can get from point A to B if their eyes are looking at us. Now you take in the rush component where I'm having to move off my spot, I'm having to manipulate the pocket, I'm having To worry about ball security. And now it's a total cluster. And that's what Patrick had to go through the whole night was it's not just I'm getting rushed and try not to get sacked. It's that I can't anticipate throws because I got all these eyeballs looking at me in this sticky zone. And if I make a mistake and like the, the interception, the second interception, you know, that's a pass rush interception. He gets kind of bowled into him. He's not going to throw it to that guy, throws it behind the receiver. The only reason he throws behind the receiver is because the pass rush getting pushed into him. Well, and he was also rushing it because he knows he has this tiny little window he's got to get that crossing route into before all the eyes are looking at him and can converge from the outside. We saw the interception come from the inside out. There's more defenders coming from the outside in too that he's aware of. So that, that, that to me, that is what's so brutal. And I'll get to the pass rush plan of the Eagles too, because it was so simple in nature, in the, in the amount of calls. They were very complex in how they rushed up front. These were not just, hey, four guys with the hair on fire, just go win. These were tactical rushes. If you notice the edge players especially, they rush extremely hard. They majored with bull rush, which mean push the tackle into the quarterback. That was their major move. They worked on full hand, triple extension, run the feet. The upfield arm was usually pressed harder than the inside arm, which was worked on for two weeks. Then they stopped. They didn't run past the launch point. And you saw it because they understand Patrick's really good at climbing up before he goes out. Where a lot of quarterbacks just want the wide departure, deep outside bolt. That's not Patrick. Aaron Rodgers the same way their instincts are to climb first then bolt right or left. So by pressing and bull rushing the end, I mean the tackles into that, let's call it 8 yard area, roughly then they played underneath. So as Patrick climbed, there was this body presence with eyes on him by the defensive ends coming underneath too, which then made him reroute back outside. Well, guess what was happening when they rerouted back outside. The defensive tackles who were pushing, were pushing, were pushing. They departed outside and had contained a lot of times in those rushes. So it was a very tactical plan by the Eagles to make sure they bull rushed the, the tackles, push them into Patrick's pocket, let Patrick do what he does great, which is climb, naturally. Well, let's take advantage of that climb and then contain with the other two players. So you take all that into account with the. Too high, too high, sticky zone shell. I mean, that was. I looked at my wife one time and I said, I've lived this hell so many times. Like, this is the worst possible scenario for any quarterback. I don't care. This is the kryptonite to the goats. Like, this is truly the kryptonite to the Brady's, the Mahomes, the Rogers, the whoever you want to put on the Mount Rushmore. This is really the only form of defense that they don't even have the answers. For an average guy like me, it just crushed us. But the greats, it even, it makes them normal. It just makes them average and normal.
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Ryan Rosillo
When Mahomes lost to Tampa, it was just clear from the jump, like, okay, the tackles are getting destroyed. And we know the story about how Veech had promised to him that we'll fix this. And they did. And they fixed it in that game. I left it thinking like, look, Tampa dominated this team, but Mahomes actually gave them a chance. You know, like, I know that seems crazy looking back at it historically, but like during the game there were times with Mahomes I was like, he doesn't have a chance. And he's still, he's still like somehow making some of these plays. That didn't happen last night at all. Is there any way to fix it? Was there any way to get out of that hell?
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Trent Dilfer
Not with Philly's offense playing at the clip they were playing. That's why I led with that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yes.
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Trent Dilfer
This is a 10 point game. I think Mahomes finds a way. I think Andy Reid finds a way. You know, they started moving the puck a little bit, had a little success there. They had a, you know, when they went to their mayday kind of their two minute offense, they had a draw game that was a little bit successful. Yeah. If they could have kept this thing balanced and not played catch up the whole time, had it a one, you know, like I said, a one score, 10 point game. I think this thing gets in the fourth quarter and Mahomes finds a way. But when you're, when Philly's offense is playing that efficiently and when they're playing to the same incredible level that their defense is playing, there's nothing a quarterback can do and we all expect them. I used to say this on TV all the time is, you know, they don't have you know, Superman capes, as great as they are, as great, I mean, I think the guy calling the game and the guy playing in the game are the two greatest of all time. And neither of them, they can't go into the phone booth and put on the Superman cape. They're not that great. They still are dependent upon 10 other people. They're still dependent on their defenses, they're still dependent on their special teams, they're still dependent on their coaches. Like it's the ultimate team game for a reason. As unbelievable as they are, they can't do it by themselves. And I think the thing that you saw get away early in this game wasn't just great Philly defense or great Phillies offense. It was the compounding effect of Philly being better in every part of this game. And the overwhelming sense of, oh, this is only going to get uglier. Like, this is not going to fix itself here. This is not going to correct. My brother in law looks, my, sorry, my son in law looks at me when Kansas City gets the ball at like 146 left in the first half, he goes, oh, typical Mahomes, you're going to take them down the score. They're going to get the ball in the second half and they're going to score. I said, christian, I get it. I'm not saying you're a dummy for thinking that because you watch Mahomes do this. Enough. I said, bro, I'll double down on you and say Philly scores and more points before this game, before this happens. That's how egregious this has become. And sure enough, the next play, interception, and then they get the touchdown. So, and I'm not, listen, I'm wrong as much as I'm right, but this one was not hard. Like this one. 10 minutes into this game, 10 minutes of real time, not 10 minutes of clock time, 10 minutes of real time had 28 point win written all over it.
- [40:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Let's talk about the Brady Mahomes thing because, you know, again, I kind of closed with this in the beginning of the podcast in that I don't want to just go, well, this guy has this many rings and this guy has this many. So it's impossible to do that because we think about, like how brilliant Mahomes has been from the jump, okay? And Tom kind of grew in to this even though the team was having all the success from a quarterback standpoint. He also wasn't asked to do the kind of stuff that a quarterback is asked to do today. And you know, Belichick always had that defense rolling for what, the first decade of. Of Tom's run. But Tom doesn't have anything like this on his super bowl resume. And he beats him head to head. And, you know, it. It can feel a little bit like, all right, well, Mahomes still has a lot of time to go. They're both three and two to start their super bowl career. But when it comes to the. The stuff that you have to use when you're talking about who is the greatest of two single guys, like, you're gonna. People are gonna point to this. People are gonna point to last night and go, well, for a night, this guy that's in the conversation with Brady had absolutely no answers.
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Trent Dilfer
I'm always a little uncomfortable with these conversations. The seat I sit in, because I played the position, you know, and I have such an admiration, reverence for the guys that play. Play it and played it so much better than I ever played it. But I get these are. I mean, these are real conversations that people have constantly. And I've always gone back to the winning. You know, I think that. And both of them will say this. You know, I was at the opening night, Monday night. I do the Panini Kid reporter every year and take the kid around and he asks cool questions. And, you know, sitting there with Patrick and he's talking about finding ways to win. I think the longer you play this position, the more value you put on just finding ways to win. Everybody does it. Different people have different skill sets, you know, now I've said forever. Quarterbacks like ice creams. They're all awesome. It's depending on what flavor is your flavor that you like the most is the guy you're probably going to go, he's better than him. He's the athletic guy. I like athletic, or he's the heady guy. I like heady. But at the end of the day, these guys are just trying to learn how to win because their stats don't matter at some point. Their touchdown passes don't matter at some point. They're where they stand the record books. Doesn't matter. It's how many games can I win, how many championships can I win before my time is up? Playing the position, both of them talk about it so much, you know, like, both of them are just obsessed with finding ways to get the team that they have in that particular year, finding a way for that team to win the championship. And Tom did it more often than Patrick has now. Patrick has more years. And you said that. But I call Tom the greatest because he found the ability to win championships with a bunch of different types of teams over a long, long period of time. And I always said I didn't think we'd ever see anybody do it again. But every time I see Patrick lace it up and begin the year, I'm like, man, he may just do it because he's that kind of brilliant, but at the end of the day, the brilliance is in the winning. The brilliance isn't in the skill set or all the things we talk about. What they do better than everybody else is that they find a way to win more often than the next guy.
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Ryan Rosillo
I want to get back to the prep part of it because, I mean, should any of this surprise Kansas City last night?
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Trent Dilfer
No, I don't think it should. I think they're probably very concerned leading up to this game, especially offensively. We all know the challenges each week. As you study an opponent over and over and over, you have two things working. You have the good angel and the bad angel on your shoulder. You have the skeptic and the optimist. And you're trying to let the optimist win all the time. We could do this to counter that. And we have this dream, and if I do this, we can take advantage of that. Or they're vulnerable here, and, you know, if we get the right situation and the right look, we'll take advantage of it there. So that's the optimist, that's the good angel. But then you have the skeptic, the evil demon on your shoulder saying, yeah, but they're just. They're going to kill your tackle. Like, you only have two seconds to throw it. This is a one hitch game. They got eyeballs on you. They don't have to play man against you. There's not. The windows aren't going to be as big. What? We can't run the ball. The action game's not going to be as good because we have a hard time running the football. Like, those were all the things that were going through Kansas City's mind. And I bet the longer the prep went into this, the more the skeptic the demon was winning. Like, this is going to be really, really hard. Oh, we need our defense to play really good. Okay, here's how we can win this game. Let's win the end of the first half. Let's get this thing in the fourth quarter, and. And we'll do what we do and win the. Win the last drive. In the fourth quarter. We'll get the ball last. But that's only if our special teams and defense plays great because they knew that there's no way they didn't know if we get behind by two scores in this game that this isn't going to be nearly impossible because you just couldn't play balanced against this team. Two store two scores down, you're going to have to lead with the pass and all your quick answers. You know, a lot of the ways that Kinsey beats people that have good pass rushes is that they'll play man with it or they'll play more of a true, true stickier zone like a three match where it's one high safety and they're matching things underneath mean sticking to things underneath. There's only one safety when they have all those flat throws, get all the quick throws, you get all the little, okay, you rush me but I have to ball out. That's harder to do when there's cloud corners and there's more eyeballs looking at you in those split safety looks. So they took away all the quick throws too. So it's not only that we can't throw the ball, but we can't use quick game as a form of running the ball. Oh, we'll try to throw screens, right. Because that's an Andy Reid special. That's any west coast guy's answer to hard pass rushes. Throw a lot of screens. One of the first plays of the game is a screen and the defensive end just runs right through the screen and disrupts it. So now I feel I, now I feel weird calling screens. Okay, we'll call a line of scrimmage screen. They call a line of scrimmage screen. And Philly's defensive, their secondary just blows all the blockers up and tackles the guy. So as a play caller you're like, ah, screens aren't working. Draws aren't working that much. Quick games not working. This is going to be brutal.
- [47:43]
Ryan Rosillo
Where is Jalen hurts for you as far as development story at that position.
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Trent Dilfer
I love the kid. I've always been bullish on him. This I, I hate that I told you so at these but I'll give a little I told you so. We adam at the elite 11 and to this day he's probably the most dominant leader we've ever had. As a 17 year old, a 17 year old kid, you feel like you, I mean you knew he's going to be either a CEO of a multi billion dollar company, he was going to win multiple championships. I mean he was going to be a difference maker. The kid is a unique, unique leader. And now Alex Mortensen is my offense coordinator who coached him at Alabama. So the depth of the stories goes even deeper because now I have somebody in. I have somebody in my building that can tell you the behind the scenes. He knows who he is. He's not trying to be anybody else but a winner. He knows that his, his running is a valuable part of how he gets the pictures he wants in the passing game. Is he the most accurate guy in the NFL? NFL, no, but he's accurate enough. He's always been accurate in big moments. You know, he finds a way to create time and space for himself. Which is the hardest thing for defenses to adjust to is when there's more time that the quarterback has the football in his hand there creates more space. So he creates time and space for himself as a player. He's not traditional, but he's effective. And the guy's just won at every level and will continue to win. So I know he's not everybody's favorite form of ice cream, but if winning is your favorite, favorite form of ice cream, you know, the knowledge, the metaphor on quarterbacks being ice cream flavors, then he should probably be your favorite flavor because he's going to continue to win in a high clip.
- [49:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Before we let you go, I know it's a tough year at UAB for you and, and, and the criticism, and knowing you as well as I do, I can't imagine anyone was harder on you than you have been on yourself. How, how are you feeling right now? How is everything getting ready, gearing up for another off season here and going into your third year?
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Trent Dilfer
I appreciate the way you asked the question because you're right, it's been brutal. I mean, I'm not laughing.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm.
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Trent Dilfer
No, you can I chuckle.
- [50:02]
Ryan Rosillo
I mean, no, I'm not laughing at you. I just, I know you and to hear you say it that way, I chuckle. So.
- [50:07]
Trent Dilfer
Oh, I mean, losing is just awful as a competitor, the joke. And my wife rolls her eyes every time, but your food doesn't taste good, you don't like your kids, she's not nearly as hot. Like, it just makes everything suck. But what I've grown and I've learned so much from this that, you know, you gotta. You got to find a way. Number one, because you are what your record says you are. So there are zero excuses. We are 4 and 8, 3 and 9 over two years because I haven't done the job that I need to do. But then there's this flip in me that I've really grown. I'm 52, almost 53. And I've never loved the battle more in the midst of the suck. I just love this battle. I mean, I wake up Ryan with the hair on my arm standing up, like, okay, I got this battle. Feels impossible. You know, I feel like it's David versus Goliath, and I'm energized by it. And I've built now a building where now we're all energized by it. And I understand. You know, I remember when I took the high school job and I was talking to Parcells, and this is one of my favorite stories I tell. I call Bill up as I'm driving through Arkansas to take this job in Nashville, Phil. And he's laughing at me because I'm coaching high school football. I said, bill, just give me one piece of advice. He goes, fire everybody. I said, what? He goes, fire everybody. Like, if you can fire the president. Fire the president. You fire that at a school. Just fire everybody and start clean. I'm like, bill, these are high school people. Like, you can't do that. But I understand why he was saying that, because you need to start clean. Like, it needs to be everybody lockstep, single minus on the same thing. And my first years, I didn't have that. I did some really. And it made some mistakes off jump that ended up costing us. And now the correction has been I truly have a building where everybody wakes up like I do at five in the morning with their hair on their arms, standing up, excited about the challenge, excited about the battle. And I think that gives us a puncher's chance to turn this thing around.
- [52:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, I know. I know you and I. I know your mindset, and I know that there's not going to exactly be any time off for you leading up to it. But thank you for taking 30 minutes with us, and we'll. We'll do it again before the start of the season. Okay?
- [52:39]
Trent Dilfer
Anytime. I love doing this, and I miss you, my friend. And this is always fun to do.
- [52:43]
Ryan Rosillo
It's great to see you, Trim.
- [52:44]
Trent Dilfer
See you, buddy.
- [52:48]
Ryan Rosillo
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- [54:17]
Trent Dilfer
Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
- [54:22]
Ryan Rosillo
What's up?
- [54:23]
Kyle
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
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Trent Dilfer
I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible.
- [54:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Let me tell you what's required. Life Advice. The email address is life advice rrmail.com we are fresh off another weekend and also remind you, with the upcoming disruption of the NBA slate, we are going to do a Friday feedback for the YouTube page. So hit us up with any feedback you have. Friday feedback R in the pod.
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Kyle
It's going to run a Friday the pod.
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Ryan Rosillo
Oh, that's right. So are we doing double whammy, the author and Friday feedback or just running a Friday feedback on Friday?
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Kyle
Author will be next week, right?
- [55:07]
Ryan Rosillo
We did Henry V. Dan Jones. Big Henry V kick right now. If you guys have any questions about him off air, just let me know.
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Kyle
I saw him on Bill Mar.
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Ryan Rosillo
We.
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Kyle
We taped him first. But he did Henry V. No, no, no. Unfortunately, he didn't make it. But no.
- [55:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Dan Jones.
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Kyle
Yes, he's very good.
- [55:27]
Ryan Rosillo
He's very good.
- [55:28]
Ceruti
He's like, want to know the real false staff? You know, not. Not all that propaganda stuff.
- [55:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, no, that's always been your. Your approach to things. Let me cut through the mess to get to the root of it all. Yeah, he's. That author's got some real, like, alternative Ceruti vibes. Like if Ceruti were still single. Maybe tats, maybe a sleeve, maybe down on his.
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Kyle
Got two hand tats. I saw.
- [55:52]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Yeah, he's got some hand tags.
- [55:54]
Kyle
I can't pull that off. That's. He's British, too.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right?
- [55:57]
Kyle
So that.
- [55:57]
Ryan Rosillo
That kind of helps.
- [55:58]
Kyle
You can kind of do it.
- [55:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Totally helps. Kidding. Because as soon as he pulled up, zoom. I was like, check out this dude's deal.
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Ceruti
Is this the wrong Brandon Marshall? Is this right?
- [56:07]
Kyle
Oh, no.
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Ryan Rosillo
By the way, shout out to Brandon Marshall, the one we had on. Yeah. Big news. Restaurant. Yeah. Opened a restaurant up in Vegas. I think it's Patty Bees.
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Ceruti
That's like a. That's a big, big joy.
- [56:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Congrats. Maybe we'll have them on again and promote it. All right. We had a. We had a followup on the Nuggets player. I don't know how that email rolled out the way that it did, but he hit us back up, and he was not upset with. With our advice. But the profile of the player is much bigger, like, huge in comparison to kind of some of the guesses that we were making. So I think it changes the dynamic a little. And it's also pretty understandable why the guy. He may be like, there might be people that are just impenetrable as far as, like, they're just so sick of it. All of it. They're never going to do it for you. Does that make sense?
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Ceruti
Makes sense.
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Kyle
Think so.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Kyle
That's like one of, like, three people then.
- [57:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Yep. Michael Porter Jr. Just.
- [57:13]
Kyle
Okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
Making it. No, I'm just kidding. It wasn't him. Because we did. We did bring him up at some point. All right. All right. Sweet merch or stolen valor? I like this one. It's a little different. 5 7. Currently down from 58 when I was on the dating apps many years ago. No impressive gym stats to speak of. I just resumed the gym after a long break. All right, good for you. The reason for my long breaks, because back in the summer, my brother and I quit our jobs, bought a camper, drove the Alaska highway, and hunted and fished our. And hunted and fished our way through Alaska for a few months. It was incredible. That does sound incredible.
- [57:46]
Kyle
Hell yeah.
- [57:47]
Ryan Rosillo
You guys. You ever get the urge to just pack it all up and drive to Alaska?
- [57:52]
Kyle
I don't know about Alaska, but watch.
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Ceruti
That homestead rescue too much. It's like, man, this is not for me.
- [57:58]
Kyle
Do you guys have, like, the into the Wild? Like, you read the book, you know, maybe watch the movie? You're like, ah, you know, that's. You know, I know the ending, but maybe be different for me this Time.
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Ryan Rosillo
I love that book. Love that book. But, you know, did I want to go full McCandless? No, there was. There was never a point. I think there is something about man, though, you know, the.
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Kyle
I'm shocked by that for you. I feel like you'd want to test yourself to be like, can I live in the wild? You know?
- [58:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, back then, I didn't have a lot, so I probably, like, anytime I ever let my mind wander on. On that kind of stuff, I just. I just like my stuff now too much. So I'm totally honest about who I am and who I'm not.
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Trent Dilfer
Yeah.
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Kyle
If you don't cold plunge in the morning, you can't even start your day at this point. Right.
- [58:43]
Ceruti
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Although, look, nature's cold plunge, you know, Alaska. So I do. Many people are saying, yeah, I think they have a bumper sticker that says that or something. But I. Yeah, I think the testing yourself thing, I've. I've thought about. I think I was even looking into something a couple years ago, but then whenever you, like, Google that kind of stuff, it's like, oh, I just show up to the beach. You get yelled at by, like, retired marines for ten grand. Just shiver next to Bob, you know, from Home Depot. I don't fucking do that. You know, you're nothing. I know. No, I'm not. I'm in my 40s. Things have gone, well, fuck off. Like, I'm just. Can I get a towel? You know, So I don't. I don't think I necessarily need that to sharpen the edges, but I think there was something else that I was looking into for a while. Then I was kind of like, who the fuck are you kidding? You're not. You're not this guy.
- [59:34]
Ceruti
I will say I was watching Deal or no Deal Island. Great show. Total twist on Deal or no Deal. And I actually, after, like, near the end of the first season, I saw a thing at the end, it's like, do you want to be on Deal or no Deal Island? I was like, yes, I do. And as I was filling out the thing, didn't actually push. Push it. Push the button on that. I was like, you know who I'd love to see on Dealer? No Deal Island? It's definitely Ryan. It's like, that would be perfect because there's a couple of physical challenges. You're, like, in, like, a hut sort of on the beach. They make it seem like you're roughing it, but the huts are super nice.
- [60:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Just.
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Ceruti
Just a thought I had.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'd like to be able to say, I could. I could rough it, because I think I could have there for a while. When you. When you don't have anything nice and you live in a dump, you know, you're just like, I sort of am roughing it right now with utilities. But I don't know, I. I just always kind of think about, like, the motivation of, like, I think it's great. I think, like, to this email that we'll get to maybe tomorrow. But I love. I love just saying, hey, I want to do this. And I think there's a lot of guys walking around being like, hey, I'd love to do this. And then they never, ever do it. And it's a bit like when we give the advice of going after the career that you really want, it's like, well, why not try? It's. But like, trying and. And it not working out. At least later on in life, you'll be able to say yourself, well, I gave it a real shot. Maybe it's disappointing, but I think it'd be far more disappointing to like, go through life being like, I never gave myself a chance. I never once had a. And look, sometimes people's lives are disrupted in ways that ultimately change what your priorities have to be in those. Those opportunities just never be there for you. But whenever I think, like, even the American. The Alaskan homestead thing, the first thing I think about with those shows is how weird the kid will be. Which may entirely be unfair, you know, but like, if a kid ends up in college somewhere and you're like, dude, Longfellow's like, weird. Like, dude, he grew up.
- [61:26]
Kyle
Yeah.
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Ceruti
See what Bear did at the party last night?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Like, Kodiak was asking if we had any girls to introduce them to. We're like, man, you wear a sarong, dude. Like, you know, just a weird conversation start. So anyway, good for these guys. Let's get back to the email. Soon after departing, I realized that perhaps I should have packed a few more T shirts. So we stopped in a small town in remote Alaska to prospect for sweet merch. And we struck gold. This remote Alaska thrift store was incredible. T shirts were a buck fifty. And we found the entire DVD box set of suits. Too soon for me. $3 a disc, an insane value. Shout out to friend of the program, Megan Markle. Yeah, that's the connection we had already made. It was exactly what we needed to fuel our trip. Here's the problem. I present to you today one of the sweet teas that I was thrilled, thrifted, that I thrifted was formerly in the service of the local EMS unit. The T shirt says Copper River EMS in bold gold lettering on a field of navy blue fabric. It's a very cool shirt. It fits well. It has immense sentimental value because it reminds me of amazing time I spent with my brother. But I don't want to steal valor. I have immense respect for troops, first responders, teachers, plumbers, everyone that keeps America going forward. And I don't want to steal valor, nor do I want to be mistaken for someone who is ems. If I'm around when an emergency happens, what would you do? Wear the shirt with no restrictions. Only wear it to the gym, perhaps, or other restricted use. Never wear the shirt. Thanks. Pics of the shirt and trip attached. It's a nice shirt. And it is so golden blue, just the way you would think. It's this Copper river ems, Alaska. Well, I think I. I'm going to say this is a go to wear this shirt all the time because there's a really good chance if an emergency were to happen. And then they're like, oh, there's a. You know, like, Clark Kent doesn't always have the Superman outfit on, right? And then on top of that, when it says Copper River, Alaska, you just be like, hey, this is souvenir. Sorry I can't help. I would call. I would call somebody else, I don't think. You know, it's not like you're in full uniform here, so I think you're good. Kyle. Yeah.
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Ceruti
I don't know where the line is, but, I mean, I think this is on the correct side of the line. I mean, think about just anybody who has, like, an uncle or a dad who's a firefighter. Like, they have one of their fire department shirts on and they wear them, and fire department shirts are cool. Um, so I. I think the. The odds are pretty low that you'd even have to go through this whole, you know, fumbling explanation about how you're not actually prepared to give CPR or whatever. You're not up to date on what. Whatever needs to be done. So I. I think that's totally fine. I think it's not like you're wearing fatigues or whatever, which I did when I was a. A young boy at the Stormville Flea market. I just. There was just a guy with, you know, mismatched hangers selling. Selling those camo jackets had some guy's name on it. I just bought it, and my mom was like, what the hell? She said, I, like, wandered off for a little bit. I came back she's like, you can't wear that. I did wear it for a little bit, but I was, you know, probably in middle school, so nobody thought I served or anything, but I all that to say, I think EMS and fire department shirts are totally on the correct side of the line.
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Kyle
Yeah.
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Ceruti
Yeah, I think so.
- [64:44]
Kyle
You think? You think? No, on the fire department. I think, yeah. I feel like those are, like, everybody wears fire department shirts. I don't know. And like, I don't necessarily think everybody that wears a fire department shirt is in the fire department. I think. Yeah.
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Ceruti
You take a look and you're like, that guy doesn't have the, you know, fire department look. I think it's.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, but fire department staff shirt versus just the fire department shirt, right?
- [65:03]
Ceruti
Or, like, it doesn't have to say staff on it, I guess, but I mean, you just see like, you know, Pleasant Valley Fire Department or Poughkeepsie Fire Department. I'm, you know, maybe that guy usually like, fdny. You're like, oh, that's a cool shirt. Everyone wants that shirt. So the chance is that it's somebody's uncle or their dad or whatever.
- [65:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Or like, FBI female body inspector. You're like, I don't think that guy's an agent.
- [65:23]
Kyle
Yeah, probably not. Yeah. I think the stolen valor thing to me is like, one, you're not, you're not really directly lying about it. You're not trying to impersonate someone. You're just wearing a cool T shirt. And two, to Kyle's point, if you were wearing, yeah, like, fatigues or if you were wearing scrubs for no reason, like, that's more of a, like, I think you were a medical professional or like someone important. Like, if you're just wearing a T shirt. I don't think, I just don't think it's like, oh, man, that guy. He must be important because he's wearing, like a vintage fire department T shirt or whatever. I, I, I think you're fine. I don't think there's anything to worry about, but I, it's good that you have the self awareness.
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Ceruti
Yeah. You got a good brain in there that, that lets you think about this stuff. Some guys. Yeah.
- [66:02]
Ryan Rosillo
I mean, if you had like a defibrillator and then you were like, oh, my God. You're like, no, it's my tackle box.
- [66:12]
Kyle
That would be dangerous. Because then people be like, I'm safe, but you're actually not safe.
- [66:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think you're good, dude. I wouldn't worry about it. Okay. This guy We've got. All right, this one's a little different. He gives us his name. I. We just leave your name out on behalf of you. 50 years old, 6 foot, 190 comp. Bill Simmons. Been a listener since the SVP days back to at least 2011. That's probably 3,000 plus hours. And I get psyched when a new episode comes up. Well, here you go, man. We're reading your email. Before I hit you with my dilemma, I want to say that life advice has become my favorite segment. It's fun, but also your answers are eerily spot on. I'm in the emotional care counseling space, and I wish I could be this direct my clients. Well, the difference is we're not looking at anybody, so be nice to yourself.
- [66:59]
Kyle
Yeah, we're not wearing, like, T shirts that say, you know, whatever.
- [67:05]
Ceruti
Holy, buddy.
- [67:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Good job. Here's my issue. Lived in Nashville since the late 90s, moved to Irvine from 2014-21, and I loved it. It's a lot of personal details here, but I think. I think this is not that weird of a thing. So I think we're all right. I spent as much time as possible in the sun, and it made a huge difference in how I felt when I moved back here. I started going to the tanning bed just to get a little of the California feeling, even if it's manufactured. When people ask me about my tan, I just deflect with something like, yeah, I've been outside a lot, or I've been driving with the top down. Talk about still. Yeah, I know. Is this more egregious than the ems? Sure. I love that he's just tan all the time and anybody's. Yeah, I just been outside a lot. It's been raining for two weeks, sir. All right, some other story for Keith to keep them from judging me. For some reason, people really look down on the whole tanning thing. I've also wanted to lose weight last year, so I took a GLP one to jump start it. I ended up losing 50 pounds and feel a lot better. Damn, dude. But there's a stigma with that too, so I've been lying about it as well. I hate dodging this stuff, but now I've sort of kept it all long. Kept it up long enough that I'm stuck. Plus, my wife is really pretty and I want to at least keep up with the stuff I can control. So you think I just dropped the charade and own it or keep lying until the newness wears off and people stop asking about it? I think I know what you'll say, but thought I'd ask anyway because you three will actually think this through rather than say, dude, just stop with the pretending. Because there's actually a real risk in losing some friendships with the weight loss stuff. P.S. we're longtime friends of the Dilfers, and I've told Trent how much I love your show, and he confirmed you are the best. His words.
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Ceruti
It's a happy accident.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. All right, maybe we'll just have Trent reach out to you. So here's the deal. Our guy in the picture he sent us is very tan. It's not George Hamilton, but it's not Macaulay Culk setting the dial to seven.
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Ceruti
When he goes in there. It's not like a small. Like, it's not like a four.
- [69:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I guess. You know, if he hadn't said anything, I'd go, boy, this guy's tan in this picture. I'm still a little confused about what the fear level here is. What if your wife's not going to leave you if you stop tanning, right? Or if she were. Doesn't that answer the question? Which, again, I don't think is what you're saying here. You've dropped £50. You should be happy about that. So maybe if you were to say, Look, I'm down 50, but I'm going to start being paler. Deal with it. I don't know. I mean, could you wean yourself off of it a little bit? Could you just slowly tan a little bit less and less and less so it's not some abrupt change where all of a sudden you look. You look like a completely different person. There's also a part of this, too, is like, who cares? You're the tanning guy. You're the guy that tans. There has to be somebody that does it, and you're him, and that's fine. I mean, I wouldn't really give a shit. I know personally. Like, would you. Would you be less likely if you had met this guy in a new town? Be like, seems like a good guy. But what's with the tanning thing? Yeah, that's probably true. That would probably happen.
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Ceruti
Yeah.
- [70:11]
Ryan Rosillo
You know? Yeah, it's kind of like nodding his head.
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Kyle
I have so many thoughts on this. It's kind of like you and, like, the respecting cigarette smokers thing, like, tanning is, like, widely accepted. It's just like, you should do it. It's not good for you. Like, it's. It's just not healthy. Obviously, there's the cancer aspect, but, like, when I was in high school, like, dudes, girls, Everybody was tanning. Like, people had, like, monthly subscriptions to the tanning pad service.
- [70:32]
Ryan Rosillo
You were tanning?
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Kyle
I was not tanning, but people did dudes. I mean, obviously, it was mostly.
- [70:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Who are the dudes?
- [70:37]
Ceruti
Laundry man.
- [70:38]
Kyle
The Jersey shores.
- [70:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but you're from Connecticut. You're not from. From.
- [70:41]
Kyle
Not that far off. I'm telling you.
- [70:42]
Ceruti
Like, we had.
- [70:43]
Kyle
There were. There were definitely guys. Like, the guido guys. Oh, my God. Come on. Middle of winter.
- [70:47]
Ceruti
And I will say, bunch of Pauly D's running around.
- [70:50]
Kyle
I hate.
- [70:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but the thing is, it's like, we can talk as the bird flies, you know, A to B, that Connecticut's not that far away from Jersey. The Jersey thing, for the most part, is a completely different experience. It is.
- [71:03]
Kyle
I'm not saying it's not, but it's. It. There are. There's. There's a little bit of crossover. There's a lot of Italians, a lot of people that like. Yeah, like, it's not.
- [71:10]
Ryan Rosillo
And the show was probably pretty hot, right? When you were around high school, it was very hot.
- [71:14]
Kyle
High school and college, and so I was not one of those favorite.
- [71:17]
Ryan Rosillo
I like jwow. Go ahead.
- [71:19]
Kyle
You would like jwow.
- [71:20]
Ceruti
Ronnie was misunderstood.
- [71:22]
Kyle
Ronnie. Ronnie was good.
- [71:23]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm just kidding.
- [71:24]
Kyle
No, Ronnie. I like Ronnie. What kind of an Sammy sweetheart was probably the. The most reasonable of all.
- [71:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, wait, wait, wait. No Ronnie. I thought her name was Ronnie. Ronnie was.
- [71:34]
Kyle
No, Ronnie was, like, the shortest.
- [71:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Sammy was. Sammy was brutal. Sammy was brutal.
- [71:39]
Kyle
Of all the girls, I feel like Sammy was, like, the most levelheaded, so. Hey. Yeah, I think so. I don't know.
- [71:46]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know. There was a lot of trauma for me. I was like, they're fighting all the time.
- [71:49]
Kyle
Jwow and Snooki are. We, I think, were a little bit more on the crazy scale.
- [71:53]
Ryan Rosillo
I like that Snooki started, like, such a massive deficit and then worked her way back to, like, everybody gutter and liked her. Yeah.
- [72:00]
Kyle
You know, it's good to see that redemption arc story. But anyway, circling back, I just got back from Mexico.
- [72:08]
Ryan Rosillo
For the record, I liked Ronnie, now that I think about it.
- [72:10]
Kyle
Yeah. Okay, good.
- [72:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [72:11]
Kyle
Ronnie.
- [72:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. No, I. I don't know why I thought the girl's name was Ronnie. It's been a while since I've watched the show, which isn't a bad thing, to be honest with you. Go ahead.
- [72:19]
Kyle
I just got back from Mexico. I'm not a tanner. I don't tan. I've been. I've Been known to be pretty pale for a while now. My nickname has been Twilight for a few years there thanks to Colin Cowherd. You just.
- [72:31]
Ryan Rosillo
That's also because you were, you weren't sleeping a lot.
- [72:34]
Kyle
Well, yeah, I was. That's a true story. I worked, started working on Mike Mike and I literally just became vitamin D deficient. Started how to taking supplements. So there's actual medical concern there.
- [72:43]
Ryan Rosillo
But. But you would have had a reason.
- [72:45]
Ceruti
You're a gamer, dude. That's crazy.
- [72:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Why don't, why doesn't this guy do that, say, hey, this is a medical thing. You could.
- [72:51]
Kyle
Because I, I say all that to say that like, you just do feel better, you feel better, you look better. It's like the old, see like the old Deion Sanders thing. Like, what is it? You look good, you play good. You play good, you get paid good. Like when you are tan, you just feel. I talk about this my wife all the time.
- [73:04]
Ryan Rosillo
You.
- [73:04]
Kyle
You feel better about yourself. He's 100, right? All those things like, whatever the, whatever the like endorphins or whatever, your, your body, like everything about you, you just feel good when you're tan and when, when your face hits the sun. So I mean, I kind of don't blame our guy and if that, if that makes him feel good, I mean, certainly take all the precautions. But there is really something to like being happy when you are more tan and see the sun. So I kind of can't blame our guy here.
- [73:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [73:29]
Ceruti
The people that he's worried about, you know, and hypothetically noticing or talking about it, like, they probably wouldn't be super jazzed for you if they, if you just lost 50 pounds the old fashioned way or, you know, like, they definitely have more of a reason to bring it up or whatever. But those are the people that you're worried about. Probably aren't dudes that would have been happier happy for you if you did this stuff through different mediums. So I mean, it's just sort of like, it's almost like everyone, like who sees somebody doing a selfie video out in the world, it's like they're just like, look at that guy doing something extra. He's just doing something extra. And that's how they're looking at you booking an appointment at this, you know, tanning salon and, you know, using that thing instead of, you know, just working out all the time and not eating anything. I just think people look at it through this like lens of, oh, it's just extra.
- [74:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Look at that.
- [74:22]
Ceruti
I'm not doing Anything like that. Meanwhile, they're probably, you know, fat and pale and that plays into it as well.
- [74:27]
Ryan Rosillo
I think Siri nailed on something I think is the most important as you navigate through all of this. This is something that you do that makes you feel good, it makes you feel better. And when you look in the mirror, you feel better about what you see, which is a really difficult thing for a lot of people. All right, Even the hottest people out there are going to have a day where like, what's going on there? Right? So if this makes you feel good and you're not really doing anything wrong, like in this case, you're not doing anything wrong to anybody else, like, this is your deal, right? Nothing about. Yeah, this is nothing. Nothing about this impacts literally any other person. Now. Sure, we'll probably have some medical experts tell us that tanning is this, this and this. And if this guy's, you know, as we said, closer to George Hamilton, then maybe that's not the best long term thing. Whatever. But there's also probably part of this too, man, where if you were based on the picture £50 over the picture that you sent us, like, you know, good looking guy, 50 years old, got it going on. Hottest guy we ever had to email the show. No, but this guy's a good looking guy. And, you know, at £50, you probably went through some, some tough stuff there where you didn't feel great about yourself. So now you're doing something that doesn't really impact anybody else. It makes you feel better about yourself. And I think that that's really important. I think if you had the ultimate confidence with this thing, you would stop lying about it. Be like, I tan. I love to tan, man. That's kind of my thing. And I've got a 20% off referral coupon here for you. Just high five. Just own this in such an aggressive way that it becomes kind of funny. Now most people can't really ever do that, I'm not even saying that I could, but just get in front of the awkwardness. Like, man, you're tan. Yep, tan. Love it. Tanning all the time. It's kind of my thing. And then just laugh. Like, just own it with that other person. And then what can they really say? Like, oh, what's this guy, you know, in the 90s? Yeah, it's me. I love the 90s. Great music, good movies, a lot of indie stuff.
- [76:16]
Kyle
Yeah.
- [76:17]
Ceruti
Also his explanation was good where he was like, dude, I was in, you know, Sunny California for 6 years and I fucking miss it. It's not. It's not. Like, that's less than you being like, man, I just love when people see me this color. It's more like, dude, I just miss being outside and. And, you know, and I miss all that sun. So, like, this is just something I'm doing while I figure out, you know, the explanation isn't as bad as just like, you know, I'm so vain. Even though that might be the truth.
- [76:42]
Kyle
Could you maybe just take it from like a, you know, a seven on the toaster scale to like a four or five range, you know, go from well done to just medium. Like maybe that. Just like a slight change. And then everybody else would kind of get off your back. Because if you're like, if you're crispy looking that we've all seen those, like, leather looking people, and you're like, whoa, like, that's a little aggressive.
- [77:02]
Ceruti
Yeah, the cocktail might just be a little too strong. I think. I keep thinking about that. I don't know if it was. I think you should leave. It was one of those sketch shows where it's like, do you wear a toupee? And you don't want to go full bald, but you're tired of this. Here's our 160 day package where you just have, like, a little less hair every day that you're putting on. Maybe, maybe you just gradually bring it.
- [77:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Down a little bit.
- [77:21]
Ceruti
Like it's been real cloudy lately.
- [77:23]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know. Yeah, I thought about that because somebody. What was it? One of the hotel lobbies, and somebody made fun of Andrew Whitworth and I because of our hair. And I was like, that's ballsy. I met you 10 seconds ago in 20, 25. Come on.
- [77:39]
Kyle
What are we doing?
- [77:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. And then I thought about, would it have been just easier if I. I did the think you should leave package, but the 160 days, like, I've definitely skipped some days that people would notice. Did he just jump from Monday?
- [77:54]
Ceruti
Some guy was making funny. It's not like he's talking about the bagel boss here. Like, those are some big dudes. It's weird.
- [78:00]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't look. I don't look big next to Whitworth, that's for sure.
- [78:02]
Ceruti
But maybe it was more directed at you than Whitworth.
- [78:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think it was.
- [78:10]
Ceruti
A guy on the right.
- [78:12]
Ryan Rosillo
You know what? I'll tell you right now, though. I like the guy. I. I like the guy. So I was okay. And then Whitworth and I kind of looked at each other like, are we being made fun of right now. I was like, yeah, I think, I think we are. I think we are being made fun. Like. Yeah, anyway. Yeah, I think, I think we solve this guy's life. All right. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you for everything. Also, let's make sure Friday feedback one more time. Friday feedback rr gmail.com does everybody feel fulfill? Go ahead.
- [78:42]
Kyle
Taping Wednesday. So get it in early.
- [78:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Tap tape on Wednesday.
- [78:45]
Ceruti
Good note.
- [78:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Wednesday. Yeah. No, because a lot of people sitting around being like on Thursday going, oh, my God, I only have a day left before I can get this email in that'll do it for the show today. And I guess, yeah, I think we already went through, like, when Bill and I were doing. I don't need to repeat all that stuff again. So thanks to Morgan, thanks to Kyle and to Ceruti. Check us out on YouTube. I think the Friday feedback will be up on that as well. Okay. And please subscribe to the Primer solo podcast for your Spotify foreign must be 21 and older president. Select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 + and present in D.C. gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com, call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text HOPE NY in New York.