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The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Jay Bilas Talks Final Four, Flagg Vs. Zion, Early NBA Draft Thoughts, and the Future of College Hoops
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Ryan Rosillo
You're listening to the Ryan Rosilla podcast presented by FanDuel. FanDuel has made it easier than ever to see how your bets are doing without even opening the app, because now you can get the latest updates and follow along in real time directly from your phone's lock screen or Apple watch. No login required, just head to your My Bets page to turn it on and if you don't already have it, download the FanDuel Sportsbook app today to get in on the action. The ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and help lines available and listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Must be 21 and older in President Select States Gambling Prop. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com on today's pod, an hour long college basketball discussion with the one and only Jay Billis. We'll go through all the Final four teams. We'll talk through the flag. We'll also talk a little draft, but I think the back end of the conversation. Get 20 plus minutes on where we're at. College hoops and the NCAA and the Nil and the transfer portal. And we've got life advice. Enjoy. This episode is brought to you by max. The Emmy Award winning series Hacks returns this April. The new season follows Deborah Vance making a move from her Vegas residency to Hollywood showbiz. Tensions rise as Deborah and Ava try to get their late night show off the ground and make history while doing it. Starring Jean Smart and Hannah Einbinder, Hacks Season 4 is streaming Thursday, April 10, exclusively on Max. And don't forget to check out the official Hacks podcast on Spotify. He's the voice of college basketball for espn. It is J. Bill. Let's get ready for the Final Four. What's up man? It's good to see you.
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Jay Billis
It is great to see you, Ryan. And quite a flex with the Pacific Ocean crashing on the beach right behind you. I'm very jealous.
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Ryan Rosillo
I might be the only guy without a studio backdrop. And it's like, all right, I think it, I think this still works. Some people have accused me of it's just CGI and I'm in Farmington still, just, just lying to everybody. Let's just, you know, look, we got four monster teams. We knew if you're into the Ken Palm stuff, I thought it was interesting. I was reading like, hey, these are for historic rating 1 seed teams and if you want to go chalk with your bracket, it might not be A bad idea and it ends up being the right idea. So I just want to start with Duke because I think they've been the most impressive. We could talk roster and all this stuff, you know, whether it's Cooper, you know, signed James being the fourth option at times, like I watched him going because I'm late to it, I get into the conference championship stuff. But I've been really, really excited about this tournament even though we haven't had the buzzer beaters. But I think I just start here. With as impressive as they are, how do you attack this Duke team?
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Jay Billis
Well, you'd better be big and athletic and deep in order to handle them. And skill. I think Florida is in a good position to be successful against Duke. Whether they win or not, we'll see. And Houston's got a chance because they are really tough and rugged and tempo control and they can shoot it. That's a big difference from last year's Houston team. I think Houston would have beaten Duke last year if Jamal Shedd hadn't gotten hurt in the first half of that Sweet 16 game. But Duke is way different this year. They're the most talented team. They're as deep as anybody and their athleticism and length on both ends of the floor is really difficult to deal with over a 40 minute period. But look, all these teams are capable of winning this thing. You usually don't say that when you go to the Final Four. Like I didn't think last year, I didn't think anybody was going to be UConn once they got there, even Purdue. But I didn't think NC State or Alabama could do it this year. I think all each of the four teams has a legitimate shot to walk away with this thing. They have to play well and, and have things break their way. But there's, there's nobody that I think stands head and shoulders above. Even though Duke has played the best since the tournament started.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't know if it's me jumping into it late and not being with it all the time, but like when I think about the consistency of a team's effort and the consistency of their communication, like Tennessee did it really well. There's other scenarios like Michigan State's always going to be prepared for this kind of stuff. I think Houston is in that category. But watching the communication still with college players here of understanding how they want to switch things, you know, who's helping, where is, is this, is this new, you know, to see guys like just be this locked in at this level. I don't know if it's better coaching, I don't know if it's better response to coaching, but I find it to be really, really impressive. Impressive, like at the college level, to see a team locked in for 40 minutes the way we've seen from a handful of these teams.
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Jay Billis
Yeah, I think it's a combination of the things that you ticked off there, because a lot of these. There are so many of these teams that are essentially new. Like, Duke's a new team this year, completely new. And it was really well put together and very thoughtfully put together. But I think it's a group of players that, you know, I think John Shiner and staff, they've done a great job schematically of teaching and of what they want to do on both ends of the floor, but the players are receptive to it. And they've got high basketball IQs, and they've got. They've got, like, egos that are. They've all got egos of really good players, which is important. Like, you want guys to think that they can go out and ball out individually and collectively, but they don't. They really don't seem to care who scores on a given in a given game. And I thought the most. To me, the most impressive thing about that team was when Flag got injured. You know, that. That ankle injury in the ACC tournament, which, you know, I don't know what you thought of that whole thing, but I was getting asked about, you know, is he going to be okay? Like, he sprained his ankle. He's not in a coma. Like, relax. Sprained ankles happen. But guys step forward into greater roles. And it didn't seem to be an issue for anybody now. They weren't playing the best of competition, I'll grant that. And I think that's the biggest question mark about Duke is how are they going to react when they get. When they get into a close game. And I think they'll have a close game in the semifinal and. Or the final if they're able to get past Houston. And how are they going to react to that? Because if you remember back to, like, 1991, when, you know, Duke played UNLV in the semifinal, year before, UNLV had beaten Duke by 30. I was a graduate assistant coach on that team. And the. One of the things that Coach K emphasized to the team is, hey, if we're in the game at the end, they don't live in close games, and we do. They won't know how to act, and we do. And that was a kind of a force multiplier. I think for the guys when we were in a close game, like hey wait a minute, it was a confidence building thing. How will they react in a close game? That's the only thing we really don't know because they haven't had a close game in a long, long time to.
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Ryan Rosillo
Have the multiple scoring options. And I just can't get past the defense because Alabama was a really good basketball team this year. And to watch that game, like if you were to chart out Alabama season on shot quality, that has to be the lowest of any game because it wasn't that they didn't make threes is that they were taking threes that they just gave up. They would give up on the position being like we can't drive on any of these guys. The help is always there. And then Malawi, even if we have a just a sliver of daylight, Malawatch is at the rim to contest all of this stuff. And when I think about Houston in this matchup, like Houston's probably the only team that could kind of out Tennessee. Tennessee. Like watching Tennessee's first half against Kentucky I was like this is so intense. It is incredible. And then Houston's like, we're ready, we're ready for this. And as you mentioned, they're 40% from 3 and they're all tough, tough players. You're not going to play for Kelvin unless you're really, really tough. But it's the size thing. It feels like there's a size mismatch here for Houston that even with their toughness in shooting, I just wonder if they can keep that going for 40 minutes and pull this off.
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Jay Billis
That's going to be the issue. LJ Cryer is a bucket getter. He was the first guy really in NCAA history to score 30 points in an NCAA tournament game for two different teams. He did it for Baylor and, and for Houston. He, he can go get his own when he needs to, but is he going to be able to do it with Ceon James on him that's got length and size or Tyrese Proctor? I mean Duke switches a lot but you're right on the Alabama thing. Like I think Duke recognized what, at least what I believe the, the kind of team Alabama is. They're not a three point shooting team. They're a driving team and they protected the paint and that took away a lot of their kick out threes. And if the, if you don't give them offensive rebounds where they kick it out and get step in threes, you can really limit their three point attack. And then Part of what Duke does is they control the tempo on the offensive end. They'll take transition when they have it, but they're going to, they're very efficient in the half court and they use the clock and they make you guard and, and as a result they can, they can really disrupt you. Their offense. I guess what I'm trying to say in a crappy way is their offense helps their defense and so they're not putting themselves in a lot of transition situations with their offense.
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Ryan Rosillo
Florida became everybody's kind of favorite team here. When you looked at the difference between the ACC competition for Duke and then what the SEC was this year and what Florida had to get through to win that tournament, and whether it's the size or everybody now realizing like this Walter Clayton, the three point shot that he hit against Texas Tech, I still cannot believe it's in the paint. It's a basically sprint to the three point line turnaround and they didn't necessarily even need it at that time when he took the three and so Tech blow. I look at him and like, Look, I know he's 6 3, so it's not like he's the biggest guard. You look at the draft stuff, he starts at Ione. He's been around for four years, so nobody's really going to like that. I'm not saying he's like the most dynamic, but his calmness, whether you go through, you know, the Tennessee game in the SEC tournament, the Alabama game, and then to see him in that moment, and I think the broadcasters were right on it. Like if you'd watched him the last few weeks, you realize that this dude is as comfortable is anybody in these huge spots and it feels like they have the size to match up with anyone.
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Jay Billis
They have, they have everything. And, and I thought going into the tournament nobody's playing better than them. Now part of that was probably discounting Duke a little bit because Flag was injured through the ACC tournament and all that, and so you didn't get to see him at full strength. But I saw courtside Florida at full strength and the way they played toward the end of the year, middle of the year on, I didn't think anybody's playing better now. I thought they were the best team and you know, right now Duke's playing the best, Duke's playing better than they are now. Is that going to continue next week? I mean, I don't know when hot streaks begin and when they end and all that stuff. But your point on Clayton, like, he's a bucket getter and he's he's one of the few guys remaining that if an offense breaks down, he can just take it on himself and go find you a basket and, like, you're right. So he was a football. Basically a hotshot football recruit coming out of high school and wasn't really recruited for basketball. So he goes to Iona, plays for Pitino, played in the NCAA tournament against UConn. They got beat. And then. Then he transfers to Florida, and he was almost this good last year offensively, offensively, but he's a way better defender now. Their whole team has taken a leap from being in the 90s in defensive efficiency to being top 10. You know, like your point about the 14. All four teams in the final four ranked in the top 10 in both offense and defense, which is really unusual to have that many teams that can do that. But I think Florida, with their size, their offensive rebounding, their. Their big guys are skilled and they're. They're physical and tough. They're. They're going to be. If Duke played them, that would, I think, be probably the toughest matchup for both that. That they would see all year.
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Ryan Rosillo
Is there anything to take from the Florida matchup then when they beat Auburn at their place by nine, beginning of February, is there something that you would see from that game? You're like, hey, that's fluky. But that's repeatable.
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Jay Billis
I don't know if it was fluky. They didn't have Elijah Martin. So I did that game with Dan Schulman, and going into the game, we were thinking, God, I hope Florida is going to be competitive in this one without Martin. And he had, like, a hip thing going on. If I remember right, it's been over a month, and then they wind up. I think Florida got down early. They were down like, nine or something, and they wind up winning. They dribbled out the clock. They, like, won by nine or ten, whatever the score was. And I remember going, man, these guys are legit. Denzel Aberdeen steps up off the bench, and Urban Club Char, their Serbian guard, or, excuse me, Slovenian guard. He can really shoot him. And he's a good handler, good passer. He's not a great defender, but that's the only knock you can have on him.
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Ryan Rosillo
But.
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Jay Billis
But their big guys are tough to deal with. You know, they're like this. The way they seal off help if you drive, they'll basically seal off a shop locker. And they do it better than any team I've seen other teams do it, but they don't do it as well. As Florida does. So look, they've got everything you need to win, but so do the other three teams. That's sort of the challenge of this thing is I think both the semifinal games have a bit of a coin flip feel to them, but I do like the fact that like for Auburn, I think Kevin been beaten by them at home gives them an edge in prep, not in, in play. Like, I don't think that stuff matters once the game starts. I think it matters in your preparation, your mindset, all that stuff. I think that's really helpful in that week in, in the days leading up to the Final Four and, and Houston has something similar because they lost the Duke last year and they felt like they were better. And this is kind of their opportunity to, to prove it and prove it on this stage. And it's, you know, it's obviously another step on the way to a championship. But, but having that extra edge I think was helpful.
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Ryan Rosillo
When I, I want to talk scores because I, I, I'll finish here with Auburn in that, you know, there's, there's a lot of guys that I'll, I'll see, especially when I get into the draft prep part of it where I'm like, okay, this guy scored a million points in high school, he's a five star, everybody wanted him. And then I'll see him in college. You know, granted, usually if you're that high of a profile, we don't know how long we're going to get to see you. And there'll be this kind of moment where I'll think, okay, this isn't going to work. Like, I know you drove through everybody your entire college career. Like, I almost think of like, and I'm not trying to knock RJ Hampton, but like, when I think back of what RJ Hampton was doing at the levels that he was playing at, I was like, okay, this is really, really impressive, but you're just kind of just driving through everybody, right? And then you have a Todd Pettiford who comes in to Auburn. And I don't know that the college game is littered with, with players that when it all really does break down, can you find a way to get your own bucket? And I know you're talking about that with Clayton Jr. But I don't think it's a very long list in, in college anymore, especially with how intense the defensive stuff is. And, and to see him, I wouldn't say he saved them against Michigan because Denver Jones hit a couple big threes in that as well. But Pettiford, I feel like is this other level of can you bail us out? And I know he didn't have a great game against Tennessee in the SEC tournament. He didn't make a shot and they took him out. But his comfort level in some of these tournament games and on top of his ability is kind of like an X factor where if that guy gets going, you know, Auburn is right back to what we thought they could be, being the best team in college basketball.
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Jay Billis
Yeah, no, I agree with that. And, and look, they're really capable. They're four guards, Pettifert among them. They can all really shoot it. I think they, they shoot close to 40% as a group and they shoot over 88% from the foul line as a group. And even though overall that's not a good free throw shooting team, if you get the ball in the hands of your guards at the end of a game, that's a separating factor. But Pettiford reminds me a little bit, they're different players but like Rob Dillingham at Kentucky because both those guys are conscience free bucket getters and, but Pettiford's a better handler. I think he's stronger and he's, he's more of a point guard, so he can run a team and he's a, he's a pretty good passer. You know, I think he defends okay. Like, that's not his strength, sure, but he's certainly improved there and he's reliable. Like, you don't have to worry about him when he's out there. He's got like, I don't know, like conscience free is the best way I can, I can say it, but it's almost like, you know, you want your scores to have a little bit of a screw loose and he's got that like he's not afraid of anything. He knows he can score on anybody and he's willing to do it. And, but when you have Janai Broom, when you can just throw the ball in there and, and they run a lot of the old Tom Davis flex action. So if you decide you're going to double broom, especially you know, when he's on the right block, you know he's left handed, he can just throw a left handed hook pass. He's a really good passer out of a double, so you got to think twice about that. And, but Pettifer's not the only one. Miles Kelly can really shoot it. Denver Jones can really shoot it. They're, they're, they're legit. I don't think they defend as well as they have they, they defended earlier in the year, but they're still, I mean they're, they're going to be really hard to deal with for Florida.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, and broom was, was really good in that Florida game. Like sometimes you're thinking, okay, well you know, with that size, because Michigan State wants to play him straight up. And you know, I'm not saying that's when Auburn won the game in the first few minutes because there was still a couple spurts there for Michigan State later on. But I mean the early tone being set, single coverage broom is just going to take you in there and beat up on you. I don't know if that necessarily worked against Florida, but he was 19 and 11 against him in that winning or in the win for Florida. On the other side. It's really funny that you brought up Dillingham for Pettiford because when I've now watched him these last few weeks, I was texted with some NBA teams going, hey, give me your like analysis of Pettiford now to Dillingham there. When you, you know, go back to last year in the first round, more teams were like, look, Dillingham was just way more of an efficient player. But I, I'd say like my pushback a little bit was, I think Pettiford's body control and like what he thinks like where he knows he's going with a decision. Now it's kind of nice when you can have a seven footer like golden switch out on you because that drive where he brought him back out and was like, I'm just going to go right past you. Dillingham is, is so fast and he's so athletic, but it almost felt like in a frenzy. And when I watch Pettiford, his athleticism feels a bit more controlled. Even though again, the NBA teams are like from an efficiency standpoint, there's no comparison right now.
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Jay Billis
Yeah, that's fair. But you know, we're still trying to project it out like what they are now because you know Dillingham, even though he plays, he can play minutes, he's not a, he's not a player that's relied upon for extensive minutes as a rookie. And you know Pettiford, you're thinking long term with him and, and he's got a, he's got a strong frame. He handles, he handles a crap out of it. Like he can really handle the ball and I think he's a good passer. So he's an initiator. But you know, I always, I mean, I'm probably a little bit More of an older school thinker that, you know, I would prefer a bigger guard, but.
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Ryan Rosillo
But wouldn't we all.
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Jay Billis
But small guards have shown they can do it now. And, you know, 10 years ago, that was a, that was sort of a check mark against you. Like, you know, I don't know. I like big guards. This guy's not that big. That's going to be a problem. It's not a problem anymore. The game's so spread out and wide open now. I mean, you'd prefer size, but he's still, you know, for his height, he's a lengthy guy and, and, and he doesn't, he doesn't seem to have a problem. So I, I like him long term. I think he's got a. Got a real chance.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. So I also asked about 10 teams, Cooper coming out this year, Zion coming out in his class. So as I know, through this kind of exercise, it's probably a little tough mentally to put the toothpaste back in the tube with Zion, you know, knowing the health concerns on top of this. And I was impressed. It was pretty split because there's still the people that evaluated Zion coming out and I would agree, like, look, his top level offensive ability stuff is like unguardable. And it actually ended up becoming true even though he just hasn't played enough. But when I think about Zion and I still, like, I hold out some hope for him. I don't know how long a franchise can, can, you know, keep going to bed at night praying that they get a full season from him, but he kind of needs to be your point guard or you need to run some action where he's catching it, you know, 15ft out, extended, and then kind of taking over the ball. And as great as that stuff is, Cooper can impact the game without scoring. And that feels like, like my opinion is that as much as I love Zion coming out, the tiebreaker goes to Cooper because of the defense. I don't know what they did with him, but his youth coaches, everyone that had a hand in this, like, all deserve all the credit because just his understand, I was watching him communicate switches and then it'd be stacked up and he pointing at guys being like, no, no, you're taking him if he comes out and he's basically playing point guard for this team and in a willing deferring player despite all his offensive skills. So the fact that even as dynamic as the peak Zion stuff is, which is beyond Cooper's offensive game, Cooper could have six points and I could still feel like he had a huge Hand in Duke winning a basketball game.
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Jay Billis
He's, he's, he checks more boxes than Zion did. So in my view, Zion was one of these guys. Like I had never seen anything like him on a basketball floor. Still happened. I can't imagine there'll be anybody quite like him in the future. You know, like, like Lawrence Taylor and Michael Jordan had a baby, you know, that kind of thing. But you know, he's not the handler, not the passer, not the defender, doesn't have the versatility of Cooper Flag, like Flag is the best freshman, I think best, most complete freshman Duke's ever had. And, and I don't know how you feel about this, but like, I think Grant Hill is the best player Duke's ever produced. You know, when you, when you consider what Grant not only did in college, but what he did his first six, seven years in the league, you know, what was he five times all NBA's first seven years. And without that, you know, gruesome injury to his ankle that, that could have killed him with that staph infection, you know, he was, he was going to be the counterpart to Jordan and was for a period of time with Detroit. But like to me, Cooper, nobody, nobody has, has done what he's done as a freshman at Duke. And I can't think of very many, you know, maybe say Carmelo Anthony at Syracuse or something, but there aren't that many that have come that have done what he's done as a freshman. And, and considering he's barely 18 years old, like how does he project out? He's gotten way better throughout the course of the season. Like his shooting has, has improved markedly through the course of the season. And then he's a different cat competitively. Mindset mentality, whatever you want to call it, I don't know if there's a good story or not, but I'll tell you anyway. I was up at Duke watching practice and Shire said, hey, would you mind speaking to the team? You know, and wherever I am, somebody asked me to do that, I'll do it, I don't mind doing it, but I always kind of preface it by, you know, when I sat in your seat, I loved it when a 60 year old man came and told us what he thinks. But as I was, as you know, they were in this, like all these programs have these theater seats now, so it's kind of graduated up and, and as I'm facing the team, Flag is sitting to my right and I notice as I'm speaking and whatever BS I was spewing out. He's sitting there taking notes. And honestly my first reaction was, here we go, like Eddie Haskell over here taking notes. And those guys are so young, they wouldn't know who Eddie Haskell was from Leave it to Beaver, so I gotta come up with a new one. But, but then I kind of realized, like, no, this is a serious thing. Like, he, he takes every opportunity to improve. And whether my BS was worth writing down or not, he did it anyway because he was there and he's going to make the most of it. And that's kind of how then you watch practice and you go, man, this dude is, is different. He's kind of locked into everything and plays every play in practice. And he's, he listens and he absorbs and he, he's got a different, like everybody says they're a competitor and there are a lot of great competitors out there, but there are tears in that too. And of the players I've seen, especially young players, I would put him at the, on the top tier in that category. He's kind of like Leitner was in that way. Like, he's got this weird, kind of, I shouldn't say weird, but this unique way about him that he, he will, he will compete in everything he's doing. And, and you know, you can see it on the floor. Like, remember that play against Pittsburgh that went all viral when he makes a steal, it goes down and dunks it, you know, with sports center, top one, you know, top 10 and all that stuff. And it's been replayed a million times. You know, obviously it was a, is a incredible plane. But what impressed me most about that play was he had just picked up his third foul and that was an out of bounds underneath play. And he winds up taking the ball away from a guy down on the low block and taking it the other way. Like most, most players, let alone freshmen would have backed off a little bit. And I wanted to pick up their fourth there. And he makes that play. And then the ending was what captured everyone's attention, but I was like, holy cow. Like, that's, that's pretty impressive at that age to have that kind of, that kind of awareness of what's going on. And he's only, he's only improved that. You know, I haven't seen him get. He may not have had a great game every time he's been out, but it's kind of like Leighton or going. It's hard to think of a time he was outplayed. He hadn't, he hadn't been Outplayed that I've seen, which is pretty impressive.
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Ryan Rosillo
I like the BC game up at BC because I was. It was like a random night where I go, you know, I'm just going to watch a full Duke game here. And it. It seemed like Boston College, some of the players had a meeting before the game. You're like, hey, let's just beat up on this guy. He's, you know, he's from Maine. And, you know, he was just. He was. He was completely unfazed. And maybe it's just, hey, look, it wasn't like he was going to go to the heights and be intimidated by Boston College, who wasn't a very good team this year, because, like, he also practiced with NBA guys and Team USA stuff. So I don't. No. I don't know at this point that he's going to be rattled maybe with 5000 strong heckling him throughout the game. But, like, one guy hit him just straight in the face. Like, the player just decided, like, I'm hitting this guy in the face. I don't care. And Cooper just kind of looks around, and I think it may have been another shot of his family with the crowd being like, what is going on down there? And it's like, then he drops 28 on him. And it's funny you told that note story because. Yeah. That my first instinct would be like, oh, my God. Oh, no. Like, not one of these guys. Like, he's gonna show Professor Billis that he's taking notes to try to, like, guard it. Because, like, so many people would eat that up. Right? Like, announcers, there's nothing better than when the team decides to not take a shot with the shot clock under the game clock. And then the announcers would be like, oh, what a class move there from the senior. You know, just like. Like, gives a. Like going for the layup. Like, I. I don't understand how that became, like. Except the NBA. It's like Armageddon. If anybody takes a shot now in that scenario. But I think people really fault. But to hear your genuine relaying of this stuff to back up everything else, because just the way I see him communicate inside of a game and his instincts and all the fundamentals, I'm like, they. His family, the coaches, man, they did a. They did a spectacular job with this guy. All right. That's a good segue.
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Jay Billis
The only thing. The only thing, the only beef I have with Flag and his team in Kinnapple and Shire, frankly, is they have. They have made Duke likable again. And I mean, there was a lot of years put into making Duke hateable and now it's out the window and I got a problem with that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Where do you think Knipple ranks on all time Duke face?
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Jay Billis
Well, I mean he's a likable guy too, which he shouldn't be liked. Like what is, what does he think he's doing? I, I, I love watching him play. Like he's, he's really talented. Like he's a, he's a big time shooter and, and he makes so many plays driving it. Even though he's not the best athlete on the floor, he, he makes play and he, he seems like he's around every loose ball. Like I, I think if, if Flag were not on the team, we'd be talking about Knipple being one of the two or three best freshmen in the country. Like that's how good I think he is. And hey, when, when Flag was out in the ACC tournament, you know, Knipples, MVP of the tournament. And he's got more in him that people perhaps haven't seen because he's blended in around everybody else. That, that's sort of the best part of that team is they, they, they blend in to whoever is having their hot night, you know, and they, they seem genuinely happy for whoever is doing it. It's not like it's not a me thing, it's a we thing. And that's easy to say, but they kind of personified on the floor.
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Ryan Rosillo
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Jay Billis
Yeah, I haven't really ordered it yet. You know, Flag, to me is the clear number one. I don't think it's even a discussion point. Earlier in the year, I think when, when Harper and Bailey were putting highlight reels together, there may have been, hey, do you see what Ace Bailey, like, you project him out, you know, he's going to be, he's more athletic, he's more dynamic, all this stuff. But I think Flag's the best prospect and I don't think it's a close call in my mind, but Dylan Harper is really good and to me that would be the second. That would be the second pick is. I would, I would look to Harper, but there are a bunch of talent that. You're right on Edgecomb. Like, I don't know where I need to dig into it more to start thinking about where this draft is going to rank. Because last year, as you know, was not great. And, and it was a difficult sell, frankly, when people are talking about trying to tell me number one pick isn't same every year, it's the same number, but it's not the same type of talent. And last year we didn't have it. And this year we do. This year we've got a number of players. Like, is it ultimately going to Compare to like 2003 or something? I'm not willing to say that, but, but at least that you're conjuring up different years going, okay, you know, this, this one has some depth and athleticism and real talent of guys that you're going, hey, last year this guy would have been taken number one. There, there are a few of those guys that you would say, hey, man, if he was in last year's draft, forget it. Yeah, you wouldn't have taken Sar. You would have taken this guy.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think there's probably four guys and like I said, I have much more to do. I don't know that. I don't know if Derek Queen goes one. One last year. No. Yeah, I don't think fears would. Right. Because I think you're still talking about recess with a shot making in that size. And by the way, like, as he's closing, I mean, you're starting to realize it because I remember doing all the recess stuff and I'm like, this guy's going to go number one. And at least now as he's played out his rookie year, like, okay, this, this makes sense. Like they, you know, were sor. It Almost felt like, are they just taking this big guy because he's really mobile and he thinks he can shoot and you know, look to Sar's credit, he's put up really good numbers. He's consistently kept shooting the ball and he's had some really good splits on uncertain months. You know who I think is like fascinating is Danny Wolf because he's so different. I don't know that he'll measure at seven feet. I know that it's what he's listed at, but he's basically a guard in a big guy's body in the strangest way that I think I've ever seen it. Right. It's not, oh, hey, he's, he's Dirk or he's, he's for Zingis who had some nice perimeter skills or somebody who's, you know, north of 7ft. But watching him at Michigan this year and seeing like how comfortable he is just getting into the triple threat dribble drive stuff and he's basically playing outside because they have golden, so it's not like you're going to post him. But he starts at Yale, he has this year at Michigan. He should be a first round pick. But he's, he's, he's a really interesting, I hope whatever team takes him, like understands what you need to let him do to be him as opposed to like, oh, we have this seven footer with some ball skills.
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Jay Billis
Yeah. And I think, I think anybody that takes him would value what he can do. And look, I, I, if I've seen it, I can't remember it. I don't remember, you know, middle, third pick and roll with two seven footers and, and Dusty May ran that a lot with those guys. And you know, you got Vlad golden rolling down the middle with Danny Wolfe handling it. And he's a, he's a legit passer. He turns it over a little more than, than you would want, but, but that's not something that, that can't be overcome. And, but I like him a lot and, and I think he'll be able to shoot, he'll continue to refine his shooting and he'll be able to play in more space. Like there's just more space in the NBA because most everybody they put on the floor can shoot it. And in college that's, you don't see as much of that. That's one of the fun parts to me about watching the NBA is like, man, they make every open shot, you give an open shot, they make it. You know, in college you can leave Some guys open and they're not going to make those certainly as often. I mean, the best players, you know, the best players in the NBA came from college, most of them, except for the, the international guys. And that's why I wish the, the college game would be officiated a little more like the NBA and adopt some more of the NBA's rules because I think it makes for a better game.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, this is where I want to finish because always, you know, respect where you've been and how vocal you've been about a lot of the stuff. And now the NCAA is kind of, I would say it's at this crossroads, but it's like, man, we're just going to be at a different crossroads in two or three years. I think with so many voices in sports now, there's a lot of hand wringing about, like immediate results and then always assuming that that's what it's going to be forever. And part of that was like, hey, there's no Cinderella in the sweet 16. And you could push back on it a little bit and be like, well, you know, if Queen doesn't make that shot against Colorado State, does that mean all of those headlines are worthless? I think there's potentially a real fear here for the mid majors of like now we just recruit these guys and we're going to lose them all the time, whether it be nil or just the accepted idea that we're going to have what, 1700 plus guys in the D1 transfer portal. Where are you kind of with what the game is facing, challenge wise and what you would like to see happen in college basketball?
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Jay Billis
Well, I think the game is doing extraordinarily well given the fact that there's been a leadership void for 100 years now. You know, the NCAA has done a really poor job of building this into a multi billion dollar entertainment industry, but burying their heads in the sand that the players were never going to ask for their share and that they were always going to be protected by the courts even though they have been violating federal antitrust law for the last 50 years or so as this business built up basically from the. Well, basically from 1984 when, when the conference could go out and sell their own media rights and that was taken away from the NCAA based on that Supreme Court ruling. So what I see, Ryan, is there's a. We're in a middle period of where we're ultimately going to be. Like the NCAA used to die on the hill of amateurism, and now the hill they want to die on is employment so the schools can't pay the players directly, but they can get paid through these collectives and all that stuff. And the coaches will say, what's pay for play? Damn right it is. Like so what? And you're doing it willingly and you can see how much they're worth based upon what you're willing to pay them and put together for them and negotiate with them. I have no sympathy about player movement. The NCAA has told us for a million years these are students to be treated like any other student. And no other student is told when they can transfer, where they can go, and what extracurricular activities they can participate in at their new school. So why should players be any different? You want to keep your players, then come to a collective bargaining agreement with them where you have parameters that both the players and the NCAA can agree upon or just sign the players to contracts. If you sign a player to a contract paid by the school, you can negotiate whatever contract terms with that player that the parties agree upon. So you can say, if I'm recruiting you at Old State U, I can say, hey Ryan, I think you're going to be a great player for all State U. A mid major. We'll sign you to a three year contract with an option for a four. But there's going to be a clause in there of mandatory class attendance. If you get arrested or if you're charged with a crime, we can terminate. And there's going to be a buyout in there and the buyout is going to be X amount. So if you want to leave here, you're going to have to pay this buyout or wherever you go is going to have to pay it for you. That'll bring some sanity back into this. I mean, it works for the rest of the American business community and it works for coaches and administrators and others. It'll work for this. The solution, if you want to call this a problem, is pretty simple. But the NCAA doesn't want to do it. What they're doing, what they really want to do is settle this house case that's going to cost them 2, $2.8 billion in past damages and then a revenue share agreement into the future for the next. I don't know how many years, haven't seen the final documents yet, but they want to take that to Congress and say, you told us to get our house in order. Here it is, we got this settlement, so make this settlement law. Give us the guardrails that we want. Which guardrails is a nice way of saying restrictions on players only. And then Kevin Willard can negotiate with Villanova while the team's still playing. And Will Wade can do the same while McNeese is still playing. But, boy, we want clamps down on the players because they're the assets we want to control. I don't think that's right. I think the players are adults. I think they should be able to negotiate at arm's length with their schools. And if you want it to be like the NBA with a salary cap, then collectively bargain for it. That's the way American business works. Otherwise, they should be free to do what they want to do. And we can sit and talk about there's no loyalty anymore, no commitment, or nobody wants to go through adversity. Well, and I love Kevin Willard. I have no problem with him making the decision he made. This is America. But don't tell me that we can't apply those standards to him and say like we do to players and say, where was his commitment? He signed a contract with Maryland. What about loyalty? What about. What about tampering? Did Villanova tamper with him? I mean, he was negotiating. His agent was negotiating with Villanova while they were playing in the NCAA Tournament. So we can. We don't say any of that. What about adversity? Nobody wants to go through adversity anymore. His adversity was the university wouldn't let the team stay in New York an extra night. You can't fight through that adversity. Come on, man. Like, you had a better business opportunity. Go ahead, take it. But just don't tell the players they can't. And then you're going to tell Walter Clayton Jr. Of Florida. You're going to tell him. Like, look, we valued you a certain way out of high school, and you proved you were better than we valued you. But you have to stay at Iona. Like, you can't leave there. And, Or. Or under the old rules, if you leave there, you lose a year of your life. You know, that's. That's an absurd notion. And the NCAA knew it. And that's why they came up with this transfer portal, because there were. There were transfer restrictions in only five sports. Football, men's and women's basketball, baseball, and hockey. Every other sport, you could transfer and be eligible right away. But most of the coaches didn't even know that. They just knew it applied in their sport. And the NCAA is getting killed in court when they're fighting over money. So they made the change. And not one game has been delayed, not one check has not cleared. Ratings are up. Like, how do we explain that? How do we explain that we said the sky was going to fall? And tournament ratings are the highest they've been. I haven't seen what they were for the Elite Eight, but they're the highest they've been since 1993. And we just had the highest regular season ratings we've had in seven years. So if the sky is falling, why are so many people interested in watching when? I used to love it back when Larry Bird stayed at Indiana State for four years and, you know, they never saw him playing, but they liked it. I mean, you know, I love it when people, when people my age say, God, I love watching Larry Bird. Like, come on, man, you can see a play until his senior year. Like, stop it.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, There's a lot here, because I do want to touch on all this stuff. There's a lot of acceptance that you have to have. Like, to me, this is about. And we've had some of these conversations off, off the year. And I know that I've. I've definitely, like, evolved with some of these thoughts. But what I realized, what I had to admit, was that your thoughts in the past were because of selfish reasons, which is kind of your Bird example. It's like, you know, look, I remember when Maurice Claret was fighting the rules to be eligible for the draft. And because I love college football and because freshmen are smaller than juniors, I'm like, this is wrong. Now, that may be one of those examples of like, hey, it's just. Even though it's kind of wrong, it might just be better for everybody. And the NFL likes it, and certainly college football likes it because they'll be able to keep all their people with all the different television revenue that's just set records every single time they've gone to the table. But ultimately it's still kind of wrong. And once you can kind of accept that, like the transfer portal thing, I used to think this is just such a huge pain in the ass. What if the guy wants to go somewhere else? He wants to go in conference, and you spent this time recruiting him. You put these resources into it. But to your point, if there's only five sports that let it happen, how is it that the five sports are the ones that are the ones that generate revenue? Although I guess you didn't mention softball, which I think actually does some decent TV numbers there. So I don't know what the softball rules are. The other part, like, oh, these guys are going to have to re. Recruit their kids. Okay, guess what? Like, go through the coaches Salary tables. Go through those charts 10 years ago in USA Today, you won't believe how low the salaries are. You know, we thought it was a big deal when one guy was making 5 million. Now I think in college football, it's like 40 guys are north of 5 million. And I'm kind of saying that off the top of my head. So there's certain things that I can say like, oh, wouldn't it just be easier? And then it's like, what am I rooting for? I don't want to root for the ncaa. I don't want to root for the coaches that are so determined to hang on to any bit of control they used to have. Yeah, it's a free for all. And, sir, sometimes I'll hear a rumor about a kid in the nil and be like, oh, he's asking for 2 million. It's like, well, who gives a shit? You can ask for 3 million. Why do I care? Somebody who I don't even know. What do I care what he's asking for in the transfer portal? And with all the. So, yeah, it's kind of a free for all, but the NCAA deserves it as far as I'm concerned. And I don't really have any sympathy. And I think the freedom of movement and being compensated, because we know the nil part of it was the NCAA being like, well, as long as we're not paying for it, somebody else can do it. And it's kind of deflection. I, I'm, I'm more aligned with you now over the last few years. And I don't think I was like a complete old school guy. Like, I think we've worked with some people that played college sports. You know, when Tebow got up there and was basically yelling at everybody and like, I liked him, but you knew when he got up on TV and said, no, it should be about this. It should be about, you know, the, the logo in the center of the field. And I used to believe a little bit too, that the value was in the Saturday night in Austin or the Saturday night in Ann Arbor or the Saturday night in Tuscaloosa, and that it wasn't necessarily the players. But it's like, well, it's just not. That's just an outdated way of looking at all these things. And I think that everyone just has to accept it and stop having hurt feelings about it, because I don't know that anybody. To your other Bird point, you're not really offended by anything in particular. You just think that you're supposed to Be offended because it's new.
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Jay Billis
Yeah. I think that's a big part of it, is that it's not the way it's always been. And my thing is always when coaches and administrators talk about the values of college athletics and the old. That's not what this is supposed to be about. Like, well, then do it the way you think it's supposed to be done.
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Ryan Rosillo
But, but honestly too, like, think back to the argument. Like, define what it was supposed to be because it doesn't play anymore. You know what I mean? Like, we evolved. Yeah. You know that's what I mean. It was, it was outdated then, but everybody accepted it.
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Jay Billis
Yeah. Because we didn't have a choice. And, and so when, when player, when coaches will say, hey man, when you played, there was loyalty. And I said, but we couldn't go anywhere. So how could you test our loyalty when we couldn't go anywhere? Like, we didn't have a choice. And you know, so they'll say, and look, I think it's well intentioned. I'll have some old school coaches and friends of mine that'll say, I don't think this is good for the players. And I'm going, okay, we'll make that case to your players. Like, tell them, look, you can leave any time you want. I don't think it's good if you do that. Here's why I think you should stay, make the case and let the player decide. Like, my thing has always been they were smart enough to choose you, and after being with you, they want to leave. So they were smart enough to choose you in the first place, but they're too freaking dumb to decide. They don't like it anymore and they want to leave. Like, what is that all about? Like, you can, you can make them pitch. Hey, man, the grass is not always greener, okay? After you're done with that, maybe they want to go somewhere else. And your point about money is really good. Like, money and education and money and love of the game are not mutually exclusive. So I, I hear from people all the time, we'll be talking about another thing and go, hey, you wouldn't believe, wouldn't believe what this, this major player asked us for the other day, asked us for 2 million. I'm going, okay, well is he worth 2 million? Hell no. Why are you offended by that? Like, if I drove my car into your driveway and said, hey, I want to sell you my car for $2 million, what would you tell me? And you go, I tell you, go off yourself. And I said, well, I don't think you should say that to the player, but say to the player, here's what we've got available to you. Here's the offer we're willing to make. If you can get 2 million somewhere else, we don't want to stop you from that. You know, they said they. And they'll say, well, we don't even know what the market is. You know what the player's worth to you, so make the offer that's worth it to you. And if there's a counter that's within reason, then you can discuss it. If somebody's asking for this astronomical amount, you know they're not worth, isn't it just time to move on from that person like it's business? It's not that hard. If a coach asked you for an assistant, coach is looking at your head coaching position and ask for 10 million a year, you'd say, you need to find another job. We'll get somebody else and pay them our 2.5. You know, you can figure it out. It's not that hard. They know what all these players are worth to them. They know whom to recruit and whom to give a uniform and who to put in the game when they want to win. They know what they're willing to pay.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think I. And I'm not necessarily, like, pushing back to something you said. It's just the premise of it. It's like, okay, yeah, but, you know, they're younger kids. They're impressionable. They get some of these agents in the nil world that's, you know, kind of, again, feels like a free for all. You hear some of these numbers and you hear some of the. The commissions on it, and you're like, well, how does. How the hell does that work? And, like, is there anyone else that somebody can talk to? Like, sometimes you just feel like it. Are all these kids being taken advantage of? And then it's easier to sell them on. Things are going to work out because, I mean, how many athletes go to a program as a freshman? It's like, oh, this coach is a little different than when he recruited me. And, oh, that I'm better than this guy. He's getting my minutes. So it's probably really easy. Work yourself into a place where you're like, all right, I actually do want to leave. Right? And it. I think it becomes. Maybe it's because players are younger and they're more impressionable, but then it also feels a bit like ageism because then I would, like, offer up the NBA and you'd be like, oh, you mean like all the players in that league that are happy all the time and never want to leave? So there's. There's a lot of times where it feels like we're protecting the youth. And it's like, yeah, but they're kind of doing the same thing the adults are doing. And you get me on the contract part of it. But then I could offer up 10 examples of guys that were under contracts. They were like, yeah, by the way, I did sign the extension. And I also don't want to be here because there's.
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Jay Billis
You're always going to have that. Yeah, but. But I've never been a fan of the. Let's save the young people from themselves. Like, you know, so we'll allow a player and his family to choose their own doctor, but they can't choose their own representative. Like, that's. That's outside their realm of possibility. Like, they can't figure that out. And if all these institutions are so ethical, then what are they worried about? Like, make an offer. If the player accepts it, deal with it, and take them in, take them on your way. You've got people all over your campus that can help that player once the player gets on campus. I'll give you an example of kind of what I'm talking about. So a couple years ago, Greg Campy at Oakland University, who's been there 40 years, unbelievable guy, great coach, invites me up to. To Detroit for a panel discussion. And it was me, Izzo, Tom Izzo, the head coach of Michigan State, and Blake Corum, the running back from Michigan. And this was before. Right before their championship season. So it's the April before their title season. So at the end of this panel discussion about, you know, college athletics and all that stuff, they open it up for questions. It was at the Detroit Athletic Club, which is magnificent, by the way. But somebody asked Coram, why did you come back for your last year? And Coram's a really smart and thoughtful person. So he responds and says, I know what I'm supposed to say here. I'm supposed to say that I'm coming back to finish my education, to win a national championship and to win the Heisman Trophy. He goes, all those things are true. I want to do all those. But he also said, but I've had a. I'm paraphrasing a little bit to try to remember, but I'm also. I've always had an interest in real estate. And with my nil money, I put together a real estate portfolio. And I wanted Another year to build up that portfolio before I went into the NFL and Izzo looked at him like, like he was resurrected from the dead, you know, that, that some miracle had happened. And, and he says that, you know, there's nobody else like you out there. And I'm going, that's not true. Like, he may be on the upper tier of thinkers here, but he's not some unicorn that. That is financially savvy and everybody else is an idiot. So many of these players, now that they're going through, they're allowed to have access to money, are becoming what I would call financially literate at a young age. They're building what can be generational wealth for themselves and their families. And like, how is that not a good thing? Will some of them make mistakes and maybe do a deal that doesn't work out in their best interest or make an investment that doesn't work out? Yeah. You know, and somebody would say to me, well, I mean, some of them are just going to blow it. Like, yeah, and they'll wind up exactly where they would have been 10 years ago, which they. They got nothing. So, yeah, maybe they make a mistake. But, you know, you let players drive and some of them are going to get an accident, but most of them do just fine driving. And I look at it very much the same way.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'll never forget when all this was being argued. I think it was. It's less than 10 years ago. I hope I'm not forgetting. It kind of felt like a 2016, 17 range of argument where the NCAA actually, while they were having their side heard, because, you know, I don't know what the. I know you're the lawyer here, so I don't have the technical term for whatever it was, but the hearings of all of this stuff, and there was an NCAA argument that it's like, well, yeah, when we pay these guys, they're just going to waste their money. And I remember thinking, like, how fucking detached can you be? How can you actually to think that someone's going to go, great point. Someone may not spend their compensation in the right way, as if the rest of us are the epitome of financial wizards. Like, it gets back to that age thing where for years you were able to sell it. It's like, oh, it's kids, it's kids, it's kids. It's like, yeah, they're also people that are worth a lot of money in their workplace. And I, I just. Look, there's certain things I may not like, maybe I won't like the Final results five years from now. But there's, you know, if you're being honest, I think it just things that you have to learn to accept that you're going to have to accept some things you don't like because of right and wrong.
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Jay Billis
Yeah. And if you want it. Like I hear the mercenary argument a lot now. Like the players are just mercenaries now. Like, what are you talking about? That's like saying the coaches are mercenaries because they'll leave a job and go to another one, you know, like Willard did or you know, all these others. Come on, man. Like if, if you take a player at your school and you want that player to take education seriously, then you make them do it. And if he doesn't do it, you know, give him a uniform on Saturday or whatever day you're playing. You know, like live up to start living up to your rhetoric and living up to your values. You know, it's amazing how Purdue is able to have a good season and they don't have a lot of transfers on their team. You know, they get, they do it. And if, if we hated this transfer environment so much, there'd be nowhere for these guys to transfer because nobody would take transfers. You know, they, they do it the old fashioned way and build their team up. The truth is they want to win and they're going to do what it takes to win. That's number one. I'm not saying that everybody's compromising their values. They're not. But, but this idea that you can't build a team and, and have camaraderie and, and loyalty and all that in a short period of time. Well, like Duke's got an entirely new team. Kentucky and Louisville got new coaches, entirely new teams and built really good cultures in a year. And Rupp arena was filled every game. And so was the yumsetter at Louisville. So all these people who they said were going to turn away are not only not turning away, they're turning toward it. This is an entertainment business. It just has another purpose involved with it. And both those things are good things and can be accomplished at the same time.
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Ryan Rosillo
I love that you brought up the ratings as we finish here because, you know, it's a sport where you're like, what's the sport going to be? Where does it fit in? You know, I know at least from like a daily radio experience. I always thought that was like a good test for like where we were at with what the priorities were as far as talking points. And you know, it was kind of mirroring some of the other sports, it's like, are they just getting swallowed up into this college and pro football, NBA thing where it's like, if you're doing any of the other topics. So I'm just. I'm thrilled to see the ratings, but I'm also thrilled to see this ratings bump during a time where it feels like the loudest voices are telling us the sport's heading in a decline where it was. I mean, you could look at the chart and say, okay, this doesn't look very good, but to have this kind of spike in the midst of, like, the peak amount of transition, and I wouldn't even call it controversy, but just loud conversation about, you know, this. This Armageddon that's coming. I just love. I just love that you brought that up and that we have those two things happening at the same time. Enjoy the Final Four, man. I can't wait.
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Jay Billis
Neither can I. I think it's going to be fantastic. It's different than we've had in the past. First time since 2008, we've had four number one seeds. But, you know, the people losing, you know, hair on fire over Cinderella's dead. Cinderella was here last year and the year before. It'll be here next year, but it didn't have its best year. This year. It's just one year.
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Ryan Rosillo
We agree, J? You want details?
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Jay Billis
Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
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Ryan Rosillo
What's up?
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Ceruti
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
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Jay Billis
I have every toy you can possibly.
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Ryan Rosillo
Imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Okay, let's do this. Today's life advice is brought to you by Amazon Business. When it comes to bringing your visions to life, trying Amazon Business is an easy service to recommend with smart business buying. Amazon Business lets you get everything you need to grow in one familiar place, from office supplies to IT essentials and maintenance tools. Now let's get to it. Live advice email address lifeadvice rrmail.com maybe we'll forego the Tuesday check in because we miss each other so much. Now, on the Tuesday Thursday deal, Kyle's in New York.
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Ceruti
Just an FYI road dog.
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Ryan Rosillo
Hey, what do we got? What's going on?
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Kyle
McDonald's. All American stuff. I think I'm with Tate and I think he's really ready for us to go to San Antonio where, I don't know, a bunch of people. I think I just been bringing people into his orbit and I don't Know how. How jazzy is about it? Four days in.
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Ryan Rosillo
So how many dudes did you bring down?
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Kyle
It's like one or two at a time. But, you know, it's been three days of that. So.
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Ryan Rosillo
Wait a minute, wait a minute. What are we talking total numbers here?
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Kyle
1, 2, 3. Like 6, maybe it's not terrible, but.
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Ryan Rosillo
It'S a work trip.
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Kyle
I don't know. They're just popping up, though.
- [63:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Guys get excited to see Kyle. I think we've learned that.
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Ceruti
Want to drive across the country.
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Kyle
I love that you said that. That guy will hear it.
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Jay Billis
I respected it.
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Kyle
He just, like, booked some stuff for Chicago, and, like, every time he sends a. He takes a flight, he sends a picture, he's like, who's afraid to fly now? Okay, very good. Nice. Nice Chicago flight you got there.
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Ryan Rosillo
Wait, so you have a Chicago live show and the guys are going, no.
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Kyle
No, he's doing, like, an acting thing where they're shooting in Chicago, so he's going back and forth, but he's taking all these flights, and he's just hammering home that he's not actually afraid to fly anymore.
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Ceruti
Good for him.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's amazing. How did he get. Maybe we'll have him on. For anybody who doesn't fear flying, like.
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Ceruti
This is not the time we're flying and stuff. It's like. Yeah, it's actually. I feel really safe about flying the last couple months. I'm going to get back into flying.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, let's see here. How hot do you have to be to run shirtless? This one off the menu. Six three, £200, 225, bench for two. I haven't maxed since getting that on video. I don't know if you should be posting a video of 225 for 2. Maybe. Maybe basketball comp. Pascal Siakam can shoot, but would prefer to get downhill. Great vision. Can pick up a few assists from the forward spot. I've got a running buddy who's a man rocket torn up. Probably between 10 and 15% body fat. Tattoo, sleeve, chest, back, thighs. You get it. When we run, he pops the top off, and that feels natural to me. I do not. I'm in shape, and I'm a little lankier, and I'm sitting at probably 20% body fat. It got me thinking, how hot do you have to be to run shirtless? I can assume it feels amazing just based on my past shirtless experiences. Are there geographical constraints? We're in a big city in Texas, but there's definitely a different criteria in Manhattan. You have to be a good runner. Shirtless, selfies attached. Just kidding. Thanks for not sending those. Yeah, man. I never really think I've thought about it. Shirts off. Running.
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Kyle
It feels like you know it when you see it, but maybe it's. There's not a number, you know, I.
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Ryan Rosillo
Think it's a mindset, really.
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Kyle
It's a lifestyle.
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Ceruti
It's all confidence. I saw a guy the other day, no lie. I was getting groceries driving home and I was like, he looks good. Shirts off. He had like a kind of. He was.
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Kyle
He was like himself in the car.
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Ceruti
Yeah. I mean, it was like, whatever, man, it's fine. I was like, that guy. It was like he had. He was kind of hairy, but not like too hairy where it was weird. It was like a good look. I'm like, yeah, man. Spring. It's like, you know, it's almost 60 degrees outside. Like, I. I wouldn't do it personally, but when I remember playing pickup hoops, I always hated being skins. Always hated it. Don't know why. I've always been kind of skinny. I don't know if it's like a body thing or whatever, but I'm not a no shirt guy. Ryan, on the other hand, will answer the door without a shirt on, so maybe he's the guy to ask.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I don't understand why people are surprised. I wouldn't have a shirt on in my house. I've never, like, why would I have a shirt on? I'm at home. You know what I love doing?
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Kyle
Talk about a bite sight.
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Ceruti
Why would you not have a shirt on, though? Like, what are you just uncomfortable? Shirts make you uncomfortable?
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Ryan Rosillo
No.
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Ceruti
You just want to be free.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Just, you know, as soon as you get through the door. Shirts off. And you know what I love doing is driving around with a shirt off because it just reminds me of being younger.
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Kyle
How often would you pull that off, you know?
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Ryan Rosillo
And I did it the other day.
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Kyle
You did? Okay.
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Jay Billis
Okay.
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Kyle
Hey, I also do low stakes thing you could do to just, you know, change your whole vibe. It's true. It's just pop it off. That's it.
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Ceruti
It's easier to do that in a beach community. I feel like though, you know?
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Kyle
Yeah. You have an excuse. At least do that.
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Ryan Rosillo
I got a couple.
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Ceruti
Probably not great.
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Kyle
Poughkeepsie's like, you've got to answer questions.
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Ryan Rosillo
So how cold was it in Connecticut when this guy was running with no shirt on?
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Ceruti
It was probably like high 50s. Good running weather. I'd imagine it was sunny one of the first few Days we're like, oh man, spring is like kind of here.
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Ryan Rosillo
So let me ask this, he was husky, right?
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Ceruti
No, he, he wasn't skinny. He was, he was in good shape. I was decent shape. He looked good, you know, I don't think he was like ripped or huge or out of shape. He was just like a normal looking dude. And I was like, yeah, cool, that's good for you, man. It didn't look weird at all. I, I couldn't do that, Kyle.
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Kyle
Certainly not. I've spent so many years of my life trying to make sure I was on the shirts team. And to the point where I was like, should we talk to someone about getting rid of shirts and skins?
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Ceruti
What about pennies? Pennies? Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Pennies? Yeah.
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Kyle
Could we just keep a bag in some guy's truck or something? I don't know. So, yeah, I'm a shirt on guy for everyone's safety and yeah, I don't know. I think sometimes when you cross the line to a guy that shouldn't be shirtless, I'm not going to say it's offensive, but I'm just like, what the, what the heck, man? You know, there's some. It's just, that's why I said it's just, you know, when you see it like, I don't think I've ever scale.
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Ceruti
But I don't think I've ever seen a guy though where I'm like, you should put a shirt on. No, no, come on. I don't know.
- [68:37]
Kyle
Been in Florida recently or.
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Ceruti
I'm not saying they're all like ripped and shredded and hot, but yeah, I think these are a little more lenient on that where it's like, yeah, good for you, dude.
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Ryan Rosillo
You know, Side note, I thought they were pronounced pennies when I was a little kid and then I was in some youth travel team and I said, oh, can I grab a penny? And an older kid was like, what did you call it, you fucking idiot? You know, And I was like, what? So then it ruined. It's a tough year.
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Ceruti
That seems like overreaction. Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Well, you know, older dudes overreact to younger dudes when we're kids. I, I think I just respect it across the board. So I think if you want to do it, you just go for it. I mean, yeah, there's a few times I would say here in California where you're, wow, you're really going for it. But then at the same time, like any like reaction I have like, that guy looks terrible, I immediately pivot into good for him, you know, his shirt's off, he's feeling it, he's sweating, he's out there running. So he's doing more than a lot of people are. So there's that part of it. I think if you're really hairy, maybe it's a freeing thing. But at the same time, I would imagine the hair prevents chafing. So if you're just smooth as a baby's bottom, you would maybe want to be shirts off to avoid the chafing stuff.
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Ceruti
I don't know.
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Ryan Rosillo
I mean, I've never really had that issue. I also hate running, so there's that. But I did have a running phase, and I would. I would run through West Harper center with a shirt off. That's weird because the sidewalk is, like, shopping and families and restaurants and stuff. And now you're like. You're slaloming through people, and it's like, you really. And it's you. You understand. I'm admitting that. Like, you wanted to run through town with your shirt decision. Yeah. So, you know, I probably was in between relationships or something, so I felt like, you know, let's just put it out there a little bit. As if there was ever going to be anyone that stopped me that I was interested in.
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Kyle
That be like, two birds, one stone situation.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, you look so good running with your shirt off by Cosi. Let's. Let's do something this Thursday. So that was. That was never. And I knew when I laced him up, like, that's not never gonna happen. So. Yeah, look, I think you're probably within the zone. It sounds like you work, you're into it. Yeah. And 20%. I'm sure some people would be like, that's a little bit on the high side. And if you're running next to Jocko here, full tats at, like, 10 to 15. If he's at 10%, like, I think the difference between 10 and 15% body fat is, like, significant. It's at least, like, it's not. I wouldn't say it's a health thing or your weight thing necessarily, but it is going to be something that looks a lot different. That would just be my guess. From 15 to 10, you're going to look like a completely different dude. So if you're running next to that guy again, bring it back to jamaica. I remember DJing there. Dudes tarps off all the time. There was a Jack guy in the crew. It sucked, and I don't want to stand next to him. And I think somebody even said something like, hey, I'm going to make sure I stand next to Rosillo and not that guy. And then that planted the seed to one day be like. You will be jacked one day.
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Ceruti
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Because I never. I never want to be the guy somebody wants to stand next to if we have an option in the grill. So, yeah, I. I think it's.
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Ceruti
I think guys are pretty supportive. It sounds like guys are.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Ceruti
I don't think we're. There's a judgment free zone from the guys, so do your thing.
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Ryan Rosillo
Who are any of us to say, hey, put a shirt on. Right.
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Kyle
I think it. I wouldn't say it. You're right about that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. All right. Wrongfully paid bonus. 510, 200 pounds. No NBA comp, no gym stats, but it'd be a hell of a hang at the Frolic. The subject line says it all. I was wrongfully paid my year end bonus. I manage a sales team in the alcohol industry. My team works on a 100% commission while I make a reasonable salary and have a few opportunities a year to trigger a bonus. The portfolio represented is fairly sizable, so most of my reps make more than I do unless I hit my bonuses. That doesn't really bother me as it incentivizes me or them to always be looking for opportunity because I don't have the world's most fragile ego. I also came up working in bars and restaurants where the jump to management always means a decrease in pay. I'm sure Ryan can attest. Yeah, I mean, that's always one of the best things about managing a bar. You're like, cool. Now I make less than everybody that's bartending here and I have all the responsibility. Unless you work at a place that is. I remember there was a place I worked at where two of the owners just worked like multiple shifts and then took tips on top of everything else. I didn't necessarily have that much of a problem with it. Some people did. I don't expect you to. You were the average listener. Oh, wait. The bonus is pretty decent, I think. I don't have anything to compare it to. It amounts to about 15% of my total salary if I increase my sales by a certain percentage by the end of the year. Classic bonus stuff. Don't need to read the numbers you don't want to. But for reference, I made 68k base, so my year end bonus is worth about 10 grand. I don't expect you or the average listener to know this, but 2024 was a bit of a doozy for booze sales Most of the company was in the red when my team managed to stay just above level. Even so, I missed my target growth by about 40k last year. My team does just over 10 million sales each year, so we're talking pennies. Yeah. I would also throw this out there. I don't know what it is with the younger generation. Maybe they're just smarter than everybody else. But my friends that own bars in college towns are like, this generation does not drink the way everyone used to always drink. So I don't know.
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Ceruti
Don't do a lot of things that, like, doesn't seem like they have a lot of.
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Kyle
Yeah, but they are, like, doing some sort of gas thing, right? I mean, whatever that thing is, they're doing gas. Yeah. What's the nitrous? I don't know what the hell it is, but Galaxy gas.
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Jay Billis
I'm seeing.
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Kyle
Seeing it around. There's just dudes walking around with, like, a big thing. Just.
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Ryan Rosillo
What in L. A? I just have a hard time believing, like, dudes are walking around Colby right now with.
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Kyle
Yeah, probably not. You're right.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Ceruti
I don't know. Yeah. Just Google this. The Gen Z galaxy gas epidemic, destroying lives.
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Kyle
It's an epidemic now, isn't it an epidemic?
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Ryan Rosillo
Or was. There's just some Instagram videos of kids passing out. There's that one.
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Kyle
That's pretty gnarly.
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Ryan Rosillo
What is Galaxy?
- [74:42]
Kyle
The one that I think everyone's seen.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. So that's. That's just. I don't know. Look, you know, we're not trying to help you get. Hey, you guys need to pivot. But it is. It is always.
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Kyle
Sometimes booze is the answer. That's all.
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Ryan Rosillo
Interesting. It's interesting to hear. Like, did. Did this younger generation just decide collectively, like, we don't want to go to bars and get drunk? It's stupid. Well, and you're like, wow, that's not actually really mature.
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Ceruti
Going to it. Well, not to go into, like, too much of a deep dive, but, like, Thompson, who's great plain English pod, he's. I think he's had multiple people on to talk about just Gen Z being different. And a lot of it is just like, they don't. They're. They're just not as social. They don't go out. They don't talk to, like, guys just don't talk to girls the same way. And so there's just not a lot of al. You know, there's not a lot of, like, partying that goes on.
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Kyle
Social lubricant.
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Jay Billis
Yeah.
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Ceruti
You know, they're Just kind of staying home and playing video games and watching porn, I guess. I don't not. Not seem. Seem like the best of time, but.
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Ryan Rosillo
Derek, these are the facts.
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Ceruti
These are the studies. I'm just reading the studies.
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Ryan Rosillo
You know, I love Derek. I absolutely love Derek. Anyway, yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's the pivot for the, like, hey, hanging out alone. DMing people have a sixer, so that's probably not the ad campaign you want to run. Like, we need to start getting guys focused on their phones and start drinking alone. All right, all right. Let's see here. So we ruined this guy's email already. So sorry. I'm pretty. So he's missing out eventually. I missed my target growth by 40k. My team does just over 10 million sales. You read that already? We're talking pennies. I'm pretty pissed. I was pretty pissed. But no use in crying over spilled milk. Time to focus on 2025. That brings us to mid February. Instead of receiving just my regular salary, I received a second check totaling 15% as a bonus. On one hand, it's not a crazy thought that they reward an employee who managed to stay in the black and did better than 85% of the company. On the other hand, there's been zero acknowledgment or communication from superiors on this. It's not the most organized company in the world, so I could see it being a mistake. And if the company lost money overall last year, I'm not sure they would be chomping at the bit to hand out unearned bonuses. For the time being, I've moved the money into a separate account. I've not touched it since it was deposited almost six weeks ago. I'm embarrassed to admit, but I've essentially been living paycheck to paycheck for the last five years or so. Most of my money goes towards credit card debt I incurred paying for a wedding that never happened. Ooh, dude.
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Kyle
Sorry.
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Ryan Rosillo
Anyway, it goes without saying, this money would be a massive help and a big step towards being able to breathe again financially. So I have several questions. One, do I say anything to anyone about this? Two, if it goes completely unnoticed, how long do I wait before. Before spending the money? I check. There are no time limits on when a company can ask for their money back when wrongfully paid. Wow. Didn't know that. Three, was it a bad idea? Wait a minute. For, like, forever? There's no time limits?
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Kyle
Do we go back to 2008? What the hell?
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Ryan Rosillo
Was it a bad idea to write this Email on a company issued phone probably. It's also worth noting I hate this company and my boss would love to get the gang's input here. Love the pod, love the crew. Ceruti haters can eat shit and kick rocks.
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Ceruti
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Everton's late equalizer in the last Merseyside derby at Goodison.
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Kyle
Yep, those were words.
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Ryan Rosillo
Was the stuff of dreams. See below for a quick story. When I Met Ryan Almost 10 years ago, I skipped ahead and saw some of the stuff there at the end. I'm not going to share your location because I think, you know, you've shared enough. But he did say that he met me and I came up to a bar and then I asked him if there was a bar that was better. I needed to watch TVs. I remember exactly when it was. It was actually during the day and I needed to watch a bunch of games so they didn't have wherever this guy was working, they didn't have enough options. Okay boys, I think everybody knows deep down what everybody would do here.
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Kyle
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
So instead of just saying, hey, keep it, game it out here a little bit. And I expect like most of the emails that we would get saying, you can't do this, you have to give it back would be people that are in management or just the most moral, upstanding members of society. Man, look, it is weird. It is so weird when the money is in your account and then it just, you're mentally going, well, that's kind of mine. And why wouldn't anyone think that? I think the hesitation I would have if we just talked it all out if you hadn't told us you hated the place, it sounds like you're not going to be there very long. If you felt like you had a great relationship with management, other people that are involved in smaller companies, if you have a great relationship with the people that started the company, whether you want to use the term founders or just the guy that owns the business, then the right thing to do if you wanted the long term relationship would be to return this. But I think most people can get through the gymnastics of feeling that it's owed to them, even if it isn't. Because then you start going, wow, there was that time this happened and all these different things. I think most people would lean towards the longer this is in your account, justifying the reasons for why you don't want to go give it back to them. Now there's also, if you were neutral about the company or whatever, could it pay off much bigger down the road by you returning it and saying, hey, look, you guys gave me 40 grand. And now that I think about it, like, it doesn't make sense. The problem is the longer you wait on this, the more evident it's going to be that you went through all of this stuff mentally before you decided. Like, so you got to start making a decision here pretty quickly. And the longer you wait, the easier it's going to be for you to justify it, and the harder it's going to be for you to tell them, because they're going to realize, like, oh, cool, this guy gave it back. But he thought about it for a few months. Because clearly, based on your paycheck to paycheck thing that you're telling us here, this would be a significant amount of money that you would notice as opposed to maybe somebody that wouldn't notice it.
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Kyle
Yep. For me, I think it would just be, what's the right amount of time before I just tell myself I'm going to start spending this money? That would be the hardest part for me. It's like, all right, six weeks getting trigger fingers itching here. So I think I wouldn't even be thinking about giving unless it was like, there was somebody misplaced a decimal and it was a million dollars. It was like, all right, someone's going to be looking for this. This is small enough where it's just like, when. When do I push the button here? I'm certainly not thinking about giving it back. And I don't think too many companies. I don't think the company would get as much goodwill as you think for being like, oh, here, do you want this money back that maybe you didn't mean to give me? I don't know how many times that's going to be like, that was the right move. That really worked. And that's going to set you up in the future. Especially for a dude that hates his company, I'd really just be making a deal with myself. When can I start, you know, paying off this credit card debt or whatever you got to do? In my case, it would be that as well.
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Ceruti
You're right. The amount of money is. It's not insignificant, but it's. It's. It's in. You know, if you said you're doing tens of millions of dollars right. In sales? Like, it's. There's. The issue is they're well within the rights to get the money back. And I don't know. I think I would. I think I would. I think I wouldn't spend it, though. I think I would probably just keep it there and not spend it. Because at some point, like you never know until you leave the company. Like leaving the company maybe is when I would start spending the money. That's it. Because I feel like whenever you're there.
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Ryan Rosillo
They'Re gonna ask, they give you bonus, just quit.
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Ceruti
Yeah, but you know, I don't know, like, like, do you know, like, do you know like that management go through, goes through payroll looks for things like this or do you think it could actually slide through the cracks? Because I just did like a quick, you know, Reddit kind of Google search or whatever about like, you know, legal advice quote unquote. And basically everyone was like, yeah, you need to pay the money back. And they can absolutely ask for it back at any time. And you have, and you have to give it to them because it's not your money. They can't defer. It doesn't seem like they could like defer your payroll. So like there's, they still have to pay you, but you'd have to work out some sort of thing for them to pay it back. But it's like, do you think there's a way that this can really be overlooked? Like, did you know if your company goes through line by line in the future looking for stuff like this? And if not, then maybe just kind of sit tight. But I would not spend it soon. I would keep it in there and just, you know, if you get caught, you get caught, you can just play dumb. I mean, it may be getting caught.
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Kyle
Put it in your account.
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Ceruti
No, I know, but like you can just be like, oh yeah, that's their thing.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's pretty much understood that you're supposed to, if you're an employee of the company, like you could probably, you know, the tough thing here is what's your rep at work? You know, it's, it's, it's a well written email. So like if you were the consensus dummy at work, which I don't think you are, you know, you have some, what, plausible deniability here where you could just say like, oh, what? You know, and then everybody be like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that guy. You know, I don't know what's going on, but if you're making 60 and you get a bonus for 10 that nobody else got and you knew that you weren't supposed to get it. You know, I do think that some places would probably tell you that there's somebody working in payroll like looking for the stuff every now and then. I mean, look, it happens, but it.
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Ceruti
Just sucks that it's not like a, a lost wallet situation where it's like, hey, you know, thanks. Here's, you know, I had 200 bucks in my wallet. Here's 100 bucks for your good service. Like, that's just not going to happen in this situation. I. It doesn't seem like it's either all or nothing.
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Kyle
And, and I hope this never happens to me because it sounds like you guys are going to end up on the right side of history. And I'm like, what, are you kidding me? So I hope I never in that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Position, it were specific to you. Like, you, you can't do it, like, because of Bill, I would hope, right? I'm not asking you to say, like, would you steal? But like, to me, there's a dynamic there that is different than what this guy is talking about, which also speaks.
- [85:04]
Ceruti
To like, how easy is to get a new job. Could you get a new job in a similar field? Leave and then just hopefully then you don't have to worry about it. You're out of the company.
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Kyle
So you stress so much about this money that you just quit?
- [85:17]
Ceruti
Well, yeah, yeah, well, you just find another job and then like, you know, then it's like, hey, man, I don't work there anymore. It's not my problem.
- [85:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Then you leave and then somebody calls you from HR and you're freaking out and they're like, hey, we need your laptop back. Okay, yeah, I think I know what you're going to do and I'm not even going to get on your case about it. I'm not going to sit here. I try not to be a moralist about any of this stuff because I think a lot of people are listening like, dude, just keep it. But I think Sir Rudy may be saying, hey, keep it in an account and don't go out and start buying, you know, wide leg jeans. Today's life advice was brought to you by Amazon Business. It's a good segue. It's time to free up your teams and focus on your future. Learn more about the technology, insights and Support available@AmazonBusiness.com Thanks to Kyle thanks to Ceruti Wargon Jonathan Frias. We are a video pod now. So please subscribe and check out our YouTube page. Ryan Priscilla Podcast and Ringer Spotify.
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Jay Billis
Must.
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Ryan Rosillo
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