Ohio State’s Turnaround, How Texas Should Feel, and the State of the SEC with Van Lathan. Plus the Unfair Hatred of Notre Dame.

Summary

The Ryen Russillo Podcast: Ohio State’s Turnaround, How Texas Should Feel, and the State of the SEC with Van Lathan – Detailed Summary

Release Date: January 11, 2025

In this compelling episode of The Ryen Russillo Podcast, host Ryan Rosillo delves deep into the recent upheavals in college football, focusing on Ohio State's remarkable resurgence, Texas's gritty performance, the evolving landscape of the SEC, and the often misunderstood journey of Notre Dame. Joined by sports analyst Van Lathan and guest Kyle, the trio offers insightful analysis, heated debates, and nuanced perspectives that cater to both avid fans and casual listeners.

1. Ohio State’s Impressive Path to the National Championship

The episode kicks off with an enthusiastic discussion on Ohio State’s victory over Texas in the Cotton Bowl, propelling them to the national championship showdown against Notre Dame. Van Lathan commends Ohio State's resilience and strategic prowess:

Van Lathan [02:16]: "First thing for you, Texas played their hearts out. They were running into a team that was playing as good as I've seen the college football team play in a crucial moment... Ohio State will be playing Notre Dame for the national championship."

Kyle echoes this sentiment, highlighting the depth and talent of Ohio State:

Kyle [04:27]: "Ohio State has looked unbeatable and Texas has looked like thoroughly beatable...Especially the way the game started to look early on when Ohio State was kind of having their way with Texas in the first quarter of the game."

The conversation underscores Ohio State's strategic adjustments and mental fortitude, painting a picture of a team that's not just physically dominant but also mentally prepared for high-stakes games.

2. Texas’s Performance: Heart and Challenges

Texas’s performance against Ohio State is dissected with a focus on their tenacity despite facing a powerhouse. Van Lathan praises Texas for their determination:

Van Lathan [04:27]: "Texas played their hearts out. They were running into a team that was playing as good as I've seen the college football team play in a crucial moment."

However, Kyle points out critical mistakes that cost Texas the game, emphasizing playcalling errors and defensive lapses:

Kyle [04:27]: "They had the wrong defense call for that but they still have a chance... but those two things ended up biting them in the ass so hard."

The duo also delves into Texas quarterback Quinn Ewers’ performance, critiquing his pocket awareness and decision-making under pressure:

Van Lathan [05:27]: "I can't understand Ewers because I know when it's right and it's working... But the overriding theme seemed to feel like if Ohio State was going to get to him, it was going to destroy most of his plan."

Despite these shortcomings, both analysts acknowledge Texas's potential and the lingering optimism among their fanbase, especially with promising talents like Arch Manning on the horizon.

3. The State of the SEC Conference

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the evolving dynamics within the SEC (Southeastern Conference). Kyle expresses concerns about the SEC's declining dominance:

Kyle [20:16]: "I look at the SEC and the coming back to earth of the conference, I think it's real and I don't think it's a blip... I think that all of the people that have wanted to see the SEC not be able to dump their chest and talk about, we have the best conference... the conference be a little bit less powerful than they've been in the past."

Van Lathan adds that the SEC is facing challenges beyond the transfer portal, including Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) regulations and financial disparities:

Van Lathan [22:22]: "If you have to be in the SEC, it's going to be a perpetual disadvantage...because you can't tell them to turn down four or five Million dollars...We're going to be at a perpetual disadvantage."

This nuanced debate highlights the SEC's struggles to maintain its traditional supremacy amidst financial and regulatory pressures, suggesting a more competitive future landscape in college football.

4. Notre Dame’s Playoff Journey and Perceptions

Notre Dame's ascension to the national championship is examined with a critical eye on public perception and historical playoff performances. Van Lathan argues that Notre Dame is often unfairly criticized despite their accomplishments:

Van Lathan [55:56]: "I think Notre Dame is unfairly criticized for their playoff failures... They are both good football teams, really good football teams."

Kyle concurs, emphasizing Notre Dame’s mental toughness and ability to overcome adversities:

Kyle [43:08]: "Notre Dame plays a little closer than that. I think they're doing something that one of my good friends Josh Fate has done, which has underestimated Notre Dame the entire year. I think you are going to see Notre Dame right into a national championship if you're not careful."

The hosts reflect on Notre Dame’s resilience, especially in high-pressure situations, defending their reputation against narratives that doubt their consistency and performance in the postseason.

5. Final Thoughts and Conclusions

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the redemptive arc of Ohio State and express optimism about their chances in the national championship against Notre Dame. Van Lathan shares a personal shift in perception, recognizing Ohio State's growth and resurgence:

Van Lathan [27:24]: "There is an extra level of pleasure because... we know it's going to be cool with it. They're going to be okay with it with the way the season played out."

Kyle further emphasizes the strategic improvements and the team’s ability to bounce back from setbacks, foreseeing a strong performance in the upcoming championship game.

Kyle [34:30]: "They are the better football team for three plus hours tonight... It speaks to how much they have changed now."

Notable Quotes

• Van Lathan [02:16]: "Ohio State will be playing Notre Dame for the national championship."
• Kyle [04:27]: "Texas has looked like thoroughly beatable against whomever they play if you feel like you got a shot."
• Van Lathan [20:26]: "I think you'll see more competition and more fighting fire from these other conferences."
• Kyle [43:30]: "He's extremely abrasive. He will yell and scream at the staff."

Conclusion

This episode of The Ryen Russillo Podcast offers a thorough exploration of current trends and pivotal moments in college football. From Ohio State’s impressive journey to the championship to the SEC’s shifting power dynamics and Notre Dame’s resilient playoff presence, Van Lathan and Kyle provide rich, engaging insights that illuminate the complexities of the sport. Their balanced analysis, supported by notable quotes and thoughtful commentary, makes the episode invaluable for listeners seeking a deeper understanding of the evolving landscape of college football.

Transcript

[Ryan Rosillo]

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[Van Lathan]

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[Van Lathan]

Fresh off a victory for Ohio State against Texas, the plucky eight seated Buckeyes finding a way to advance to the national championship game. 28:14 in my brother in this college football fraternity. Yeah, Van Lathan joins us.

[Ryan Rosillo]

How are you sir?

[Kyle]

I am well my friend. How are you?

[Van Lathan]

I'm good.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was.

[Van Lathan]

It was a good football game. It was good to see Ohio State, Texas, it felt impossible to pick against them and yet Texas found a way to hang in. I'm sure they're going to be killing themselves for giving up the screen touchdown to end the first half. Trevian Henderson. They had the wrong defense call for that but they still have a chance. First and goal at the one. It goes backwards and ewers who I Imagine his inner dialogue when he drops back is, yeah, figure it out. Gets strip sack Sawyer, his roommate when they were at Ohio State together, runs it back 80 plus yards to the touchdown. Ohio State will be playing Notre Dame for the national championship. So let's just talk about the game.

[Kyle]

First thing for you, Texas played their hearts out. They were running into a team that was playing as good as I've seen the college football team play in a crucial moment, in a crucial era in a long time. And the question in the game was going to be whether or not Texas could match up and not be overmatched, not be overmatched in the secondary by guys like Jeremiah Smith, not be overmatched along the offensive and defensive lines, and whether or not they would be able to deal with the sheer talent that Ohio State is putting on the field. And they. And they. And they did. They did. It's almost a testament to Ohio State's team that the mistakes that Texas made in the game, particularly the screen pass like you were talking about, and some of the play calling when they got down near the goal line at the end of the game, those two things ended up biting them in the ass so hard. And when you're playing a team that's playing as well as Ohio State is any little advantage, any you miss gap integrity, you call the wrong play, you make the wrong penalty, commit the wrong penalty, should I say, and you lose the game and they have to play just that much better. It's a little bit better to take the victory home. And they weren't capable of it.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I think every football game. And, you know, I even felt this way about the Orange bowl, which I'm going to talk about a little bit later. But like in that game, it's like, it feels a certain way, but that doesn't guarantee you victory. And this game, it felt like Ohio State was scarier. Maybe that's carryover what they had done against Tennessee and even more impressive what they did against Oregon, where that thing was just like humiliating for an entire half. And Texas has had their issues putting teams away. I don't think you'd ever watch them and think that they're not loaded with talent. The red zone numbers offensively were always pretty alarming. They also had that weird stat where they hadn't scored a touchdown in the third quarter for six straight games. They made that happen and they tied it up. But it was throws, it was throws to the running back for the most part, because, you know, golden is out for a good chunk of the middle of the game. He does come back and make a big catch a little bit later on, but it looked like he wasn't able to go or he was telling the guys he couldn't go. Then he got back into the game. Gunner Helm, the big tight end who's been terrific all year long, didn't really make an impact until later in the football game.

[Kyle]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

So there's always like this settling. Like you feel like if you're even in talent, you can get to some settling part of it. But I just, I can't understand yours because I know when it's right and it's working. It's like, oh, he's so composed. Nothing ever rattles this guy. And you're like, yeah, sometimes I want to see be a little bit more rattle. He's stepping into sacks. Really. No pocket awareness, like to move around. Like once the pocket was going to get dented from some side of it, it just, it was tough for him to get out of it. Despite the fact that maybe the biggest play of the entire game for Texas was the third and 11 where he flips it off to his side. So, you know, I can't say that there weren't any plays where he made a play, but the overriding theme seemed to feel like if Ohio State was going to get to him, it was going to destroy most of his plan and ultimately that ended up being the game winning play.

[Kyle]

Yeah, I mean, look at the end of the game, they just, they, they, they couldn't block him. There was penetration coming from everywhere, from the left, from the right, up the middle. There was that one play that I think you're talking about where he climbed the pocket right into the defensive tackles nuts. Like he went right in the middle and just kind of sat there and this is, this is over. I do think that there's a talent gap. It's not a massive talent gap, but I think more than there being a talent gap, player to player, there was a stark difference in how these teams were putting their shit down in games. Ohio State has looked unbeatable and Texas has looked like thoroughly beatable. Thoroughly beatable against whomever they play if you feel like you got a shot. And so for me, I really thought in this game for some reason that especially the way the game started to look early on when Ohio State was kind of having their way with Texas in the first quarter of the game, that they would end up running away with it. And Texas found a way to hang in there and gave themselves a shot to win the football game. Look, I Don't know what to make of the team down there. It's one of the oddest teams I've ever seen. They had times this year where they looked like they were the best team in college football, where they looked like they were playing the best. They had a quarterback controversy, if not allowed. Quarterback controversy. A quarterback controversy being whispered to where there is a large portion of their fan base right now sitting in their homes all over Texas, all over the Southeast, that believe that if Arch Manning would have started that game tonight, that they would have won. And when I say, and every team loves the backup quarterback, but they don't.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. Not like this, though.

[Kyle]

Not like this. Like, not. Not like this. And so to get that far and to be knocking on the door of an appearance in the College Football Playoff championship game and that still have so many questions about your team. Normally at this point you've got some answers, but there's still so many questions left about, particularly this Texas team to where if they had won this game, I wouldn't have been, like, super surprised, but I expected the new lose. And they did.

[Van Lathan]

Ohio State, from where they were just a few weeks ago against Michigan to where they're at now. And to think about their path, the national championship. Okay, you know, I know everybody has Tennessee jokes, but I mean, I still think Tennessee is a good football team. And they destroyed them, okay? Destroyed them. Like, took their will from them before it was even halftime to do what they did against Oregon in that first half, probably the best first half of football considering the opponent that we're going to see all season long. And then, you know, to hang in there against the Texas team when, when the start of it, right, You're, you're, you're thinking, okay, they're going to roll. But that's just not the way football works.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right.

[Van Lathan]

There's a reason we keep watching this every weekend. I think the most important thing to remind ourselves here of, like, how could Tech or how did Ohio State get into a funk? Like, yeah, you know, maybe Texas figured out the running game there a little bit. Clearly, Texas, their number one priority was limiting Jeremiah Smith, who had one catch for three yards.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

And I also think, like, Smith is a factor on that Henderson screen because you are playing so deep, thinking, like, hey, they'll probably just throw a jump ball to this guy. But the linebackers are so far back. You get that much momentum, you get the offensive lineman out there, it's.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's a bad spot.

[Van Lathan]

But as I was thinking about, like, how did this fall apart for Ohio State, it's actually pretty simple. They were behind the stick so bad after that first touchdown possession, their second possession, they were second and 24 and third and 26. Third possession, second and 20, fourth possession, third and 18, fifth possession, third and 10, leads to fourth and 17, touchdown interception, then a three and out, no penalties. Ninth possession, second and 20. So that's five possessions. And it's four straight possessions in the first half where through just the worst penalties at the worst possible time or pressure that Ohio State just wasn't even going to convert first downs. They can't even run their normal offense because they're so backed up behind the stick. So I think that's the part of this that'll be lost. And like, how did they hang in there? Because if, look, I don't want to say if that doesn't happen because, you know, whatever. I mean, maybe, maybe I do it sometimes, but if, if that does, I mean, that's four straight possessions where you're like, okay, so we have no chance of converting any of these first downs. And that's the biggest reason why an offense that came out, which is funny too, because during the regular season it looked like Ohio State was a slow starting team. They come out, they look like up here we go again. And, and they're just going to hit these dudes all night. Howard is absolutely torquing the football, like just rifling it in all over the place. You're like, dudes look open. Where's the pass rush? This could get ugly. And then their penalty slow them down as much as Texas defense, which still played a really good game.

[Kyle]

They played a really good game. They had a really good game plan after Smith just dominated Oregon. If I would have told you last night, if I would have told you before this game that he would have the line that he would have had in this game, you'd have. There's no way you'd have thought that that game would have been a game that Ohio State would have been able to win. Just. You wouldn't have thought that he would have been that unproductive. And they were still won the football game because he was such a big part of their offense in the last game. But Texas's game plan to take him away opened up other opportunities for Ohio State. Other guys were able to have big games. Other people, like even on the fourth down play where you end up having the Will Howard scramble, he scrambles right up to this quarterback keeper all the way. You spread them out and they have to respect what's going on out there. So you get a light box, you don't think the quarterback's going to run. He runs, stumbles down, that continues to drive there. So they were able to use the explosive, explosiveness that they have on the edges to affect and manipulate what Texas was doing on defense in other ways. And other guys back there had bigger games. You know, I have a question for you. This was a matchup of two, quote unquote, offensive geniuses. Ryan Day, Steve Sarkeesian, if you are looking, if you're taken away from this game, who's your more geniusy genius? Who was more creative, who schemed up plays open, who did more with what they had? Who won the battle of the minds between those guys today?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, I felt like Sark hung in there really well because there was nothing because Ohio State's a better football team. I mean, this is the football team we were talking about in August, right? When you're going, do you realize how loaded this team is? And the questions were about Will Howard. And I remember reading Bruce Feldman stuff. We had him on before the playoff season started. And there are other Big Ten coaches that have gone against all the different teams. They'd have all these different conference covered. Right. They ran through all of it. And there were a couple opposing coaches that were just like, yeah, I'm not quite sure if Will Howard can do it. I'm not sure if he's the guy. I felt after the Oregon game, I go, you know, I think they're going to be all right there. I know the Michigan game was terrible, but I feel like Ohio State had more to work with. So maybe the expectation was more clearly, like, I just wasn't going to pick against him no matter what. Even if I just, you know, I have times where I want to be different and just go like, I don't want to just pick chalk all the time here. But I think Sark figuring out a way to get the running backs involved, especially when golden was out of the game because Bond has the drop. You know, the freshman there who just, you know, Wingo is. Is super fast and talented. He's not a huge part of what they're doing. I think him finding ways to get matchups with the running backs and Blue having two touchdowns against that kind of coverage, like, Sark was hanging in there, knowing that he was outmanned.

[Kyle]

Yeah, I agree.

[Van Lathan]

You agree with that?

[Kyle]

All right, I do. I do. I think most of the things that they got, it wasn't like they were dominating and winning one on ones or I Mean, they were making plays out there, but I thought he had a really, really, really good scheme, attack plan to go out there. And really, to be honest with you, what ended up happening at towards the end of the game is once the fire got lit under the defensive line, ass over on Ohio State, they just started dominating, they just started winning their one on ones. Obviously Sawyer just busted through at the end and disrupting the entire Florida game. I think that's the one time that I saw Quinn Ewers and I was like, give me something right there. Like, you know, he's in there, he's sitting in there, he's waiting for whatever to come open, to come open. I'm like, there's a guy breathing down your neck. Give me something, give me a step forward, roll out of that. Give me a sprint to the sideline. I want to see you a little bothered because you got a meathead white boy ready to kill you right now. And it doesn't look like your blood pressure is rising a little bit, like your heart rate's not elevated at all. Um, but I thought Sark did a great job. I wonder how Texas fans feel about this game. If you're, if you look at Texas and their program in the totality of things, you'd have to be ecstatic about where you are right now, particularly with the future with Arch Manning coming back and what they've been able to do. But I really think that there are people in Austin and Texas fans from, from See the Shining that thought this was the team. I really think there are a lot of people out there like that, I.

[Van Lathan]

Think coming back this summer and maybe some moments. But I'm sure that Georgia game was a wake up call in Austin. And then the rematch and then the problem is, is that there's just a handful. Like even the A and M game, they dominated that A and M game. And the final score, 177 because of the red zone issues. And you know, really, they shut out A and M's offense. So after the Arizona State game, the fact that that got to overtime, okay, that was, that probably was like the final dulling of the senses where Texas fans went in. It's not like they weren't watching these Ohio State games going like, okay, maybe we have a chance. But I doubt there was like this arrogance or this supreme confidence because they just watched this team just feel like based on the expectations, something was a little off. Like really good team, but just something was a little bit off. And the final score is probably the right score. And as we're talking about, like who was better with the game plan. I don't know what Chip Kelly's supposed to call on third and 26. I don't know what you're supposed to call on second and 20, you know. So there was just such a large chunk of this game where I'm sure the playbook was stuff pages they couldn't even look at because they were screwing themselves up so bad in those series. Football fans buckle up because for the first time ever, we've got five straight days of playoff football and FanDuel is celebrating with the great playoff payoff. That's a no sweat same game parlay every day for all five days with a no sweat same game parlay. You combine your bets from the same game for a chance at even bigger winnings and if it doesn't hit, you'll get bonus bets. Bets back a winner for the Ohio State Texas 14 Legger shout out to G Scott the Improbable Revolution Golden Getting back to the game all right, so I gave out Minnesota minus one and a half on Wednesday. It's two and a half now. So if we're going to do couch money research, kind of sucks that I have to do it that way. But according to the Friday rules, that's what I have to do. So my pick for the couch will be Vikings minus two and a half. Fading. The money will be everyone is on the commanders plus three. So you're on the bucks minus three. 85% of the money, 73% of the bets. The most favored public side so far and the research pick is the Broncos plus nine at Buffalo. So there you go. Some sides for you from the pot. So not only do we get to watch five straight days of playoff football, but that's also five chances to win big. Just visit FanDuel.com Ryan R Y E N to be part of this epic run. That's FanDuel.com Ryan it's the great playoff payoff. And it's only on FanDuel. America's number one sportsbook must be 21 and older and present in select states or 18 plus and present in DC. Opt in required minimum three leg parlay required Refund issued with noveldrawable bonus bets that expire seven days after receipt. Max refund $5 unless otherwise specified. Restrictions apply, including token expiration. See [e-mail] gambling problem. Call 1-800- GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com this.

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[Kyle]

Lot going on in my college football mind right now.

[Van Lathan]

All right, just open it up. Where are we? Are you worried Is the SEC's eliminated? Are you going to be all right?

[Kyle]

I'm going to be fine. But I look at small things.

[Van Lathan]

Oh, you do? Okay.

[Kyle]

I look at small things. I look at Judkins coming from Ole Miss and getting to play real big boy football now in the Big Ten. It used to be that you got a transfer from the Big ten school, not Ohio State, which is top flight blue blood and they would be playing big boy football at Georgia or big boy football at Bama or someplace like that. I think the SEC and the coming back to earth of the conference, I think it's real and I don't think it's a blip. I think that you'll see more competition and more fighting fire from these other conferences. The most SEC game I've watched all year took place yesterday night and it was Penn State versus Notre Dame. That looked like SEC football to me and I didn't watch very much SEC football in the sec. I think there are a lot of factors to it. I'm not quite sure how rich the fan base boosters are down there to be able to compete with the nil. I'm not so sure. When you have a football tradition like exists in the sec. I don't know how quick people really are to want to go with the times. So there are a lot of people down there in those parts that were probably a little bit more hesitant to flip fast. I mean, Saban got the fuck out, right? So I do think that all of the people that have wanted to see the SEC not be able to dump their chest and talk about, we have the best conference, we have the most guys in the NFL, we have the best players in the NFL or going to see, at least initially for the next couple of seasons, handful of seasons, the conference be a little bit less powerful than they've been in the past.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, maybe I'm open to it. We're going to have a national championship matchup here where it's two non SEC schools back to back years with last year being Washington and Michigan. And that hasn't happened in 20 years where you went back to back years for it. And I was looking up something because I was going through Notre Dame's playoff appearances and you go back to those SEC Big Ten matchups in the playoff and you're like, the SEC stopped those teams all the time. So it is trending in that direction. I don't know if the transfer thing, I think case by case you can go through it. You know, Caleb Downs isn't leaving Alabama if Saban doesn't retire. And clearly Ohio State after the Michigan losses, it felt like you're reading it all summer, being like they got people involved, like there were dudes not paying for. They, like they were. They were stepping out on their orthodontist bills to make sure that Ohio State could get a couple extra dudes in there. So maybe it's happening, you know, like, maybe it is happening. I think the quarterback play in the conference was below the standards, but I'm surprised you think Penn State, Notre Dame looked like an SEC game considering Penn State's receivers. I don't know that an SEC team would ever put out a team like that at that receiver position.

[Kyle]

Yeah, I guess what I'm talking about more is the, the physicality that the game was played with the Penn State. I saw one picture of one of Penn State's receivers. He looked like a social worker. I saw him put him on Twitter. It's like, so, you know, not much going on.

[Van Lathan]

But the reason why social workers camp all. Is that what you're saying?

[Kyle]

But some of these guys might be fucking social workers. The guys are fucking 29 years old playing in, playing college football now. But what I mean Is the. There was. Look, this is gonna sound stupid and I'm not going to be able to articulate it perfectly, but when you watched SEC football in the past, there was a branding to it. There was a way that they played. When you saw Jamal Adams or you saw Odell Beckham Jr. Or Tyron Matthew or Patrick Peterson, when you saw these guys flying around, you'd see them play teams out of conference. And these teams just could not match the intensity that that caliber of athlete was bringing to the field. And if you wanted a team to be able to match that type of intensity, you had to get it in the sec. That's just not true anymore. Like, I've watched games and seen like Tennessee looks like an ordinary, good college football team. Like Alabama looked like an ordinary, good college football team. Ole Miss looked like an ordinary, good college football team. Texas, as well as they played today, looks like a team that's not a dominating team, that's the best team, that's the final team that's left out of the sec. And so depth issues, issues of dominance along the lines the nil. Changing things and taking kids away from players. You know, I can't remember the last time LSU didn't have a bunch of animal dog demons along the defensive line. It's just different now. And so I think it's different. And I'm not sure. It's not just the transfer portal, it's nil. It's not being able to put on one defense and be like, oh my God, this defense has seven first and second rounders on it. And we're everywhere. We got guys on the back end, we got guys in the trenches, we got guys at linebacker, and then we have safeties back there that are playing. I think it's different now, and I think it'll be that way for a little while. I do think that they will adapt to how things are. I do think that things will change. But I'll be honest with you, like being an LSU fan, it is a concern about how well resourced we are, right? Like we're. The reason to go and play for LSU was because of that. It was literally because of the soil. It was literally because if you're from the 337 or the 318 or the 225 or the 504, it meant something to play for them. Now these kids that are coming in there, they're from a specific socioeconomic background, a lot of them, and you can't fucking tell them to turn down four or five Million dollars. You can't tell them to turn down a half a million dollars. That's a life changing money in Louisiana. And I'll make you go somewhere else. And if we are, if we don't have the boosters that can play in those types of deep waters, we're doing better in NIL now. And if we don't have, coming from a state that's not a really rich state, if we don't have the people that will put that money up, I mean, we're going to be at a perpetual disadvantage.

[Van Lathan]

I want to close like the last part of this though, just kind of talking about the Ohio State run here. And you know, there have been different times and it usually has more to do with the, the days where I was doing it every day and you would go through stretches where you'd be like, I can't stand this base the most, you know, and then sometimes it would get cycled out and be like, you know what fan base is the most annoying this year? It's, it's this school, it's this program. Ohio State has been ranked number one for me for a bunch of seasons.

[Kyle]

Oh, wow.

[Van Lathan]

All the years that I've been doing this. But once Day lost to Michigan again, I would say last year, this year was, it was impossible to defend the outcome of that game. And the way that game was played. I, I didn't start the next day going like, hey. But I, I looked at Day and the whole point that I'd made a year ago was that it was funny because I was hearing the same stuff about Harbaugh and because Harbaugh brought all this attention to himself. Like, it's just extra with Harbaugh.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right, right.

[Van Lathan]

And it wasn't really to the standard. They weren't beating Ohio State and people were like, you know, and people really, those two fan bases lose their minds about that rivalry. Like I'll, I think there's way more Ohio State fans if you just pulled it, like good polling too. Not the Iowa poll. If it were a poll where you said, let's, let's.

[Kyle]

Little victory lap for you there, huh?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. My God. My people, we did it. You like that? If you polled Ohio State fans and said, would you rather beat Michigan or win international championship? The people would say, we'd rather just beat Michigan. It's way higher than you think it is. Which is an insane answer. But I think it's, I think it's accurate. I think I'm being accurate about this. So, look, I'm telling my own history about the whole thing. And I just felt like, look, day wins enough games, like, you guys are out of your mind. And be careful who you think you're going to be getting, because so many of the programs are like, all right, let's get rid of this guy. And, like, is Saban available? Right. There's a big part of me that thinks about Jack Sawyer, right, linebacker for Ohio State, where he has an incredible game against Michigan, and they screw it up, they lose the one like the other years, you can kind of understand it. I think two years ago, that game's still strange to me. Last year, not surprising, Michigan wins the national championship. This year was impossible. This year, it couldn't happen. Right? And it happens. And then it leads to, like, a lot of stuff that I don't agree with, where Michigan's planting the flag, which, fine, go ahead and do it. But it's not Jack Sawyer's fault for deciding, like, this shit's over. Okay, I'm not doing this.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And.

[Van Lathan]

And then people would say, well, when you lose, there's nothing you can do. It's like, all right, you know, hey, I'm from Michigan. We beat you guys. I'm going to send suggestive DMS to your sister now. Well, nothing I can do. Yeah, nothing I can do. We lost.

[Kyle]

If, If. If we have a fight. If I get in the fight playing basketball and I lose the fight, doesn't mean you could fuck my girl, like, you know what I'm saying? There's a limit. Right?

[Van Lathan]

Right. So, like, the fact that Jack Sawyer. Other guys in Ohio State were like, I know, like, what are we supposed to let you do? Just piss everywhere?

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

Like, we're not having it. And. And that was not a popular opinion. And I think about him making that play and now being in the national championship and how this has come, it feels like more than full circle. It's like full circle and another lap for this team to be in the national championship, clearly favor. I'll get you line here in a second. Is there any part of you that even with some of my history with Ohio State, Hawaii, I haven't always loved it? I can tell you today I feel good about this redemptive arc from where they were at in that Michigan game.

[Kyle]

So they lost the game. And I want you guys, don't take this from me. Ask this guy, my friend, Emeka Meka Don. He's a rapper, okay? He played for Ohio State. He's the biggest fucking Ohio State fan ever, right? He goes out there, he Mechadon at mekadon M E K K A D O N. He's the biggest fucking Ohio State fan ever. Him and his brother. His brother some kind of weird robot man. When I tell you his brother, okay, Interesting crew. His brother, okay, is like the most impressive person I've ever known. He has a J.D. from Stanford and an M.D. from Harvard. Like, it's weird. Like, these guys are like crazy accomplished guys. Jim went to Penn, the whole nine. He played Ohio State. Then he went to Penn for law school after they lost the game. If you guys don't believe me, I called Emeka. I said, the funniest thing is going to happen to you guys. And he was like, what? I said, you guys are going to win the national championship. I was like, the fight at the end of the game was a good thing. You guys are going to win a national championship. You guys are going to get in the playoffs, win a national championship, and then it's going to be what I call the Southern Grambling debacle. Because there is another college football game that means more than the season. There's only one I can think of. It's the Bayou Classic. You guys ever been, like, watching Tate TV on a Saturday after Thanksgiving and you're like, this is black college football game on NBC. That's the Bayou Classic. And let me tell you something about the Bayou Classic. Being a Southern guy. Rest in peace, dad. Most of the fans watching that game would rather win the Bayou Classic Southern versus Gramley than win the SWAC or go have your team play in the Celebration bowl or play for a black college national championship. That game is a one game super bowl that the entire season revolves around. Okay? And so for the Ohio State fans, now that lost to Michigan, I think that was key to those players deciding being embarrassed like that and that staff being embarrassed like that and deciding, we have to put it all together because this is the lowest moment that the program has experienced in a very long time. That loss was the lowest moment that the program has experienced for a very long time. It's one thing to lose to Michigan, it's another thing to lose to Michigan when you are more competent than Michigan in every conceivable way. And it looks like Michigan just punked you and took your hearts out of your chest. Now we'll see. We'll see how much they. Because I think things have changed now. I think they've seen the team play so well that while they're still frustrated about the Michigan game, I think when it's all said and done, having another national championship Is. Is they're going to be cool with it. They're going to be okay with it. It's going to. Going to be fine with. With the way the season played out. But they were. They were. I was talking friends off the ledge. They were done with day. They were done with the whole fucking thing. They were done with everything. But I knew that that would light a fire under the team, and we would see them play their best football.

[Van Lathan]

Well, you were right, because, again, the path there and to do this as impressively as they did in the first two rounds and clearly, look, they were the better football team for three plus hours tonight. You know, you don't watch that game, have him win 28:14 and go, well, that was weird. How did that happen? Like, to me, Arizona State, Texas was weird. Like, that was just. It was kind of a common theme with Texas, right?

[Kyle]

That was my man. Scattergories, though. Shout out to Scattergories, bro. Boy, I tell you straight up, I have not been that impressed. I haven't been that impressed with a white boy I didn't know since I first heard Eminem. When I first heard Eminem, I was like, God damn. It's like that. Where Dre flying this motherfucker at? Like, he was really rapping. And Scatterboo came into that bitch saying, I'm the best player. And then he went ham. Like college football 25. I loved that game. I was watching from a mineral pool in desert Hot springs down there. Palm Springs was over there for the thing. I was all floating in the hot springs watching Scatter Boo just go nuts. And I. When you have you, Ryan, you had to have. Love that, right? That's like your. That's. Scatter Boo is so coated, is he not?

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. There's a thread I'm working on for my people because it's been a good run with Jokic, and I. I just need to piece it all together. I make it your approval. I'll have it in drafts, and I'll send it to you to see what y.

[Kyle]

But he's the thing. Y don't count. It's not one of yours, really, bruh. First of all, decide who you are, because do you like Jokic? You can't have Jokic.

[Van Lathan]

All right. You claiming Freeman?

[Kyle]

No, hold on. Here's the deal about Freeman, though. Freeman said he don't want to be claimed. That's a free agent. Y'all can have him. Like Freeman said he don't want to be claimed. You can't have jokic. That's a H1B visa. Y'all hate those. So. So what I'm saying is, I don't.

[Van Lathan]

Even know what that is.

[Kyle]

Like. Like, you can't have Jokic. The. The.

[Van Lathan]

All right, all right.

[Kyle]

These are your people. These are your hopes.

[Van Lathan]

Chet, when he comes back, yeah, Doug McDermit's ours.

[Kyle]

Doug McDermott, Cooper flag. Tyler hero. Okay, he's not playing Jiu Jitsu, but he could play. Like, there's so many different guys in there. But you can't have Yas. You can't have Lucas. Those are HB1 visas. Those are, like, guys over there. They don't. You can't have him. Scatteroo is a guy like that. That's America, bro. Come on. America first.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah. No, Scaboo's always fascinated me, too, because, like, when it started getting. I mean, the numbers are just absurd, right? And he start talking about them a little bit more, you know, the Iowa State Big 12 championship game, and the broadcast is like, you know, they had.

[Ryan Rosillo]

To pull Scatter Boo aside this off.

[Van Lathan]

Season and be like, you need to be a leader and, you know, you need to work on conditioning and just how you interact. And it was like, man, this guy was just a fat dick to everybody. Because that's basically what they were saying was the vibe around him. And it's like, you know what? That guy has to kind of be a dick. He has to have been a dick to be this good and then be like, you guys still don't believe in me the entire time. I want to back up to something else you said, though.

[Kyle]

Sure.

[Van Lathan]

Give me your thoughts on an early 20s Priscilla when he first heard Eminem.

[Kyle]

Oh, man. Because, see, this is the thing. You gotta be able to see yourself in it. Because I didn't believe it. My name is. Comes out, and I'm like, what the tough is this? And then all of a sudden, I'm listening to other and this. Like a serial killer hot murder material in the cereal box on top of your cereal. Here we go again. Without a medicine. Out of my mind. Anyone? There's seven different levels of devil, horse and horses and human sacrifice, cannibalism, councils and exorcisms, animals having sex with camels, mammals and rabbits. I'm like, yo, this guy's rapping. You probably thought when you listened to it, you probably had a moment of, like, I'm a part of it. I'm not just watching.

[Van Lathan]

He's talking to me.

[Kyle]

He's talking.

[Van Lathan]

He's talking to me now.

[Kyle]

Yeah, yeah. Like, that's Ryan Rosillo. Rap. He's rapping. He's rapping for you. And so I probably think that you felt seen, you know what I mean? Much like the way I felt when Barack Obama was elected to the presidency.

[Van Lathan]

I thought you knew me, Van. I thought you knew me.

[Kyle]

You don't like him?

[Van Lathan]

I resisted it hard. I went out of my way to resist it. I was like, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right.

[Kyle]

So. So you. So why would you resist Eminem? See, I loved him. Loved him.

[Van Lathan]

How did that work for you? Like, how many of your guys resisted it?

[Kyle]

Oh, my God, bro. It was so. Them college years was so hard. It was like. I remember one time, me and my man Sean got into an argument.

[Van Lathan]

Could you throw it on in the car? Were there certain cars? You were like, no, bruh, I couldn't.

[Kyle]

I made. There was this whole thing, like, freshman or sophomore year at Tech, where I just leaned into being the counterculture guy in the crew. I was making him watch Seinfeld. I was like, bruh, it's funny. And they're like, van, what's wrong with you having identity? I'm like, bro, I'm not having. It's fine. It's no black people. It's funny. It's a funny show. And when we first started listening to Eminem, it was Renegade. I remember there was a message board. I was on the message board. The message board was talking about how bad Em did Jay on Renegade. And I was like, bro, y'all gotta hear the song. I'm telling you, Jay is Jay. He is a God. He is. Has a much better rap career in catalog than Eminem. But on that song, Em fucked Over Hov. He did. And on that one song, he fucked Over Hov. HOV is way more versatile, a better rapper than Em, a better artist than Em. But in that song, he fucked over him. And that converted all my boys. Cause if black people, we're nothing. If we're not fair, we're fair people.

[Van Lathan]

I was unfair. I was being unfair. I was like, turn that shit off. I don't want to hear this. Because I did not want to be the guy in my truck, in my pickup truck with the windows down, just cranking my name is.

[Kyle]

But see, that's just because of optics. You wanted to be Tribe Called Quest Resillo.

[Van Lathan]

You know, it's probably Jizza Liquid Swords. I could just never stop listening to that, even years later.

[Kyle]

And that's great rap, right?

[Van Lathan]

But you felt like you were free.

[Kyle]

To listen to Eminem.

[Van Lathan]

But now I know I didn't want To I appreciate him now. I. I respect it much like I respect even Penn State season.

[Kyle]

Oh, wow.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, There you go. Hey, not bad.

[Kyle]

There you go. See, to me, I needed Penn State to win the national championship badly. I needed them to do it.

[Van Lathan]

Why?

[Kyle]

Because everybody else, this, this has been one of the hardest college football seasons for me ever. I'll be honest with you.

[Van Lathan]

I was terrible this year. Yeah, the only thing I had was my early Oregon pick, which then made me handcuffed to him when they played Ohio State. So that actually ended up screwing me over, even though it looked good for months.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But go ahead.

[Kyle]

So even though I picked Ohio State and I told Mecca that Ohio State would. Would win, I've had a long standing rivalry with the Ohio State football fans. Even me and the Mecca have argued on this podcast before going way, way back to after the time LSU stumped a mud hole in their ass in a national championship game. All right, so I've had a long standing rivalry with them. Then you have the obvious narrative of Marcus Freeman and the Notre Dame Brian Kelly LSU rivalry that's popped up. I of nowhere and isn't going anywhere. So I didn't want them to win. And then Rachel Lindsay, who is my co host on Higher Learning, is a Texas alum. Now, I ask her right now who the offensive coordinator for Texas. She probably couldn't tell you. However, she, she, she loves Texas. She's a quote unquote huge Texas fan who can't name one person on the D line, but like a huge Texas fan. So if Texas won, I was going to have to deal with that. The only team that I could root for without having to get shit from a fan base was Penn State. And I know what it's like to root for James Franklin now, and I'll never do it again.

[Van Lathan]

My name is James Franklin. You want to take a guess at the line for Ohio State? Notre Dame, as we finish this? I don't mean to put you on the spot so you can pass three.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Whoa.

[Van Lathan]

No, my friend. Ohio State minus nine and a half.

[Kyle]

Oh, my God. What do you think about that?

[Van Lathan]

Oh, I. It was definitely going to be a touchdown. Or, I mean, you know, we'll see where we're at tomorrow, but I'm not surprised. It's. It's over a touchdown. I put you on the spot there.

[Kyle]

Yeah, no, it's fine. I think Notre Dame plays it closer than that. I really do.

[Van Lathan]

Well, sounds like somebody likes those nine and a half.

[Kyle]

I do like that. I think Notre Dame plays a little closer than That I think that's a little bit of. Yeah, I think they're doing something that one of my good friends Josh Fate has done, which has underestimated Notre Dame the entire year. I think you are going to Billboard. Not Billboard, locker room. Notre Dame. Right into a national championship if you're not careful. I think it's going to be a closer game than. That could be wrong.

[Van Lathan]

Well, the respect angle is there because Vegas does not respect them. Where can we check out all your stuff? Promo time, higher learning.

[Kyle]

Ringer verse. Whenever I'm with my friend Rosillo here. Check us out. Riggs and Murtaugh. And also, I want to say one thing before I get. Get out of here. The Brian Kelly, Marcus Freeman thing is okay. I'm sick of it already. Sick of the. Okay, let us. Let us deal with. This is the new rule. Nobody else can talk about Brian Kelly. Let us deal with Brian Kelly. You guys worry about your own coaches, all right? Marcus Freeman, fucking great looking. He's doing this whole thing.

[Van Lathan]

He.

[Kyle]

You don't want to be black. It's cool. Like it. It.

[Van Lathan]

Easy, easy. That's not what he said. I don't want to be associated with that.

[Kyle]

I'm joking. I'm joking. It was a. A fine answer to someone who is put in a weird position to be asked about their race all the time. It's fine. I'm joking. A lot of respect for him. He's done a great job at Notre Dame. But I am so annoyed right now. And even the LSU fans who are incessantly having an argument that I believe to be apples and oranges, let Notre Dame and the rest of them play football. Got some Baton Rouge boys there. Ryan Clark's kid, Jayden Osbury. Let them play football. Good luck to them. But other than that, man, check me out. Still loving the game. We'll see what the SEC does next year.

[Van Lathan]

You're the best, man. Enjoy your Friday night. A late taping here. The Roso podcast. So we really appreciate you disrupting what is on deck. Imagine some edm, some alley, some place that Entourage had in episode four, season three. Oh, he has a controller up, so some. Madden. Are you doing some recruiting?

[Kyle]

Oh, no, it's college football. I'm. I've. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've had to recruit, rebuild lsu, secondary. That's what I'm doing. Stay safe, Los Angeles. I love everybody out there, man.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, absolutely. Glad to know you're safe and you're part of the county.

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[Van Lathan]

I wanted to spend a couple moments talking about the Orange Bowl Notre Dame's win over Penn State. So now we know that Notre Dame's going to be playing Ohio State for a national championship after beating Penn State. And my first thought after the game and really going into it, but I felt like the game was confirmation of it, that both these teams are good, they're are both good football teams and I want to start with Penn State. And that's not in a disrespectful way. It's just simply the fragility of the narrative. And the narrative is a word that I've learned it absolutely despise. But it fits here and how different the narrative is for James Franklin and Penn State. Even if they were just to make it to the national championship game and it'd be a Big Ten fest. Franklin could talk about what he's been building until the college football world. It's about the process and getting to that next step and all these different things that would feel real in anticipation of a national championship game. But you have an awful night from Aller which we'll get to his interception. A defensive back falls down, great house who was terrific for Notre Dame. Their receiver takes to the house and again you have the turnover and it's, it's a game winning field goal and Penn State's out. So now you can spin it this way where if you look at the Franklin resume against the top teams, it's atrocious. He's 1 in 14 against the AP top five. I'll tell you right now there's not a ton of coaches that have great records against AP top five. There's rarely a guy in there where you're like, man, another great record against the AP top five. You want to take it out a little bit further? He's 4 and 19 against the AP top 10. I think the most alarming one for Franklin, he's now 3 and 10. When both Penn State and the opponent are ranked in the top 10. If you wanted to add to that now that they've been eliminated, which I think is everyone's favorite thing to do with every single team that's eliminated now with the playoffs, because you even have more rounds to do it is, yeah, well, you know, they couldn't beat Ohio State in the regular season. They lose to Oregon. I thought they were terrific in the Oregon game. I thought they were great against a tough USC team that has a bad record. I thought that they stepped up big against Minnesota, who I, I think is, is a good football team. Right. But if you want to, you can say, well you know, smu, Boise's ridiculous seed. And then they play Notre Dame and, and they can't win the game. You know, I just after watching it all season and I, I hope that despite getting stuff right or wrong, I am watching all season, it's just, you know, didn't go their way at 3 0, 20 minutes into the game. I thought it was going to go Penn State's way. It reminded me a bit of what they were doing against Oregon and getting that push against them. And it felt like Oregon couldn't really do anything with this offensive line and this two headed monster running back and Tyler Warren, who knew I was going to make a ton of plays. But I'd ask you this, Penn State fans, what was your favorite play by a receiver in the Orange Bowl? I'll wait. It's going to take you a while. Um, but you know, as the game was playing out like 20 minutes in and I try to remind people of this all the time you're watching football team goes up 14 nothing. And everyone's like, thanks for playing. You know, thanks for showing up. You're like, it's actually two nothing. Let's see what happens when they settle in. Let's see when the defense and the offense aren't as prepared for each other at the beginning of the games and maybe haven't figured out each other's tendencies, but it really felt like Penn State's game for the first 20 minutes and it was only three nothing because of the physicality of this. And then you add to that the Notre Dame loses a left tackle, they lose another offensive lineman they lose Riley Leonard for a series in this where the backup Angeli actually got him to a field goal. So it's 103 at half and you're like, all right, they're in this. But Penn State feels like the better football team. And look, the Singleton, Katron Allen. And Allen's probably one of my favorite single players in all of college football this year. You, you feel like you can keep going back to that and it'll be enough, but it's not enough when your quarterback was as bad as Aller was last night. I mean, you think Aller was bummed out at the end of last season. This is going to be a tough off season getting through all of this for that guy. Mentally McElroy on the call, there was a couple things with him and I know ended up, you know, being a thing that people were making fun of for him because he was saying like, look, I trust Aller in this situation. And then he throws an inexcusable pick back across the middle of the field. A great play by the Notre Dame defensive back to even make a break on the ball and hold on to it. But if you're at your own 28 with 33 seconds left, as I've said all the time, like, I don't really like when teams and it happens a lot less than it used to, I don't like when teams are so cautious because possessions are so rare that you know, if you got 40 seconds, maybe throw it to midfield, maybe you get a PI. Maybe you break something free. I mean, look at the end of the first, first half with Texas and Ohio State, in a way that was kind of the game with the screen pass to Henderson. So not saying like you're expecting to score there, but I don't like being cautious. The problem is specific to that game for Aller was like, I understand what McElroy is saying. He's likely to not turn the football over. But watching him that night, I mean, he was just awful. And I mean, he hit 12 completions and there was all sorts of incompletions that just weren't even close, close. So it's the turnover, it's a game winning field goal and Notre Dame is playing for a national championship. Now, as I was watching the game play out and I'm just thinking about different ways to talk about it for the podcast, which is, you know, a big part of what I do. I've always felt like Notre Dame is unfairly criticized for their playoff failures. I. This year the SEC has faced the brunt of the criticism in a down year, everybody else is ready, like sick of hearing about these guys. And now they're not even in the national championship.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So I totally get it.

[Van Lathan]

So I don't know that no Notre Dame could have matched kind of the.

[Ryan Rosillo]

The venom that is, that is flown.

[Van Lathan]

Around this season, which basically everybody's taking turns doing these different things. But I always use this as an example, like when Ohio State got smashed by Florida and LSU and back to back championship games and then everybody started like pointing at Ohio State, like laughing at them. You're going, you're making fun of them because they're in the national championship and getting crushed. And it speaks to the recency of it. More eyeballs watching this kind of stuff and it just never really, really made any sense to me. It's like everybody would trade with them except for the teams that beat them in a national championship game. It's an awesome program. They're in the mix basically every single year. And you're going to tell them like something's wrong with them in those matchups. Something was wrong for him for a night. And Notre Dame, if you go through it, I remember being a Miami for the national championship pre four team playoff in 2013, they got smoked, right? You go to 2018 season, they lose to Clemson in the playoff in the first, first round, 30 to 3, destroyed. Two years later in 20, they lose to Bama 31, 14. And it's like this, you know, never put them back in. I mean that stuff was actually being said. I don't know if it would have happened again now because with 12 teams, like you're not leaving Notre Dame out of this whole thing. But there seems to be an extra level of pleasure because you know, whether it's the outdated relevance, sure, they're not as relevant as the forties, you got me. All right. They're not in a conference. Who gives a shit like why do you care? And scheduling wise, you know, historically they usually always schedule pretty tough. This year was down, but whatever. I mean they're a really good football team. And so they avoid the fourth straight post season loss, which I would have thought, you know, again they got the win against Georgia.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So we're just moving the goalpost.

[Van Lathan]

If you're going to count this one because it's not four consecutive but the fourth exit within 12 years. And if you're thinking of it as a BCS matchup, two 14 playoff matchups in this expanded field, to have four playoff appearances in that short of time, amount of time, 90 plus percent of the college football programs would trade places with those guys, but it's just not what we do because we just keep waiting every single week to when the team is losing. And then you're like, well, you know, never really saw it with them. Which you can certainly do, as I said, you can do with Penn State right now. This game was about toughness for Notre Dame, mental toughness where it didn't look like it was going their way. Riley Leonard being knocked out of the football game. A guy that didn't need to throw it against Georgia, but ran it in big spots, made big throws. Here again, great house. The receiver was terrific. And it's just a nasty defense. And on top of everything else, Jeremiah Love touchdown at the goal line. To do that against the personnel he was doing it against for Penn State was just absurd. I think the Carter injury didn't show itself in the first half. I think when he got landed on it was definitely a factor there. But they found a way through the offensive line adversity, losing Leonard and the other injuries that they've had on the defensive line. This Notre Dame team is a very mentally tough football team. I also was rooting for Freeman a little bit because I didn't love the Franklin stuff leading up to it. Franklin kind of little brothered him a little, and I think that bothered Freeman. There's pieces you can read right now that'll tell you it bothered Freeman. So that part of it and just the way Freeman carries himself, the way he just handles everything, I'm happy for him. And there's actually part of me that's kind of happy for Notre Dame to be in this game. But we also know what's going to happen if they get smashed against Ohio State. Like, well, you know, Georgia didn't have the quarterback. Penn State was never that good.

[Ryan Rosillo]

They had boys.

[Van Lathan]

You know, you just keep doing it over and over again, which I think sometimes you lose the point. Penn State, Notre Dame, certainly Notre Dame now going for the title. Both good football teams, really good football teams. In a year that feels light on grade teams.

[Ryan Rosillo]

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[Van Lathan]

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[Kyle]

You want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What's up?

[Kyle]

I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Life Advice lifeadvice rrmail.com all right, let's get cooking, boys. We had a lot of people really reach out about the theater incident and the world is torn on this one. Hey, you absolutely should have gotten those guys fired. They represent the company on and on and on. Men of duty chiming in on that one. And then we had some other people going in a million other different directions. We're not going to read any of them. So thank you for your submissions. Thank you for your time, your service. So speaking of service, we had a lot of follow ups to my airport guy scam thing. Asking for money to get back. And I size it up pretty quickly. Or I am still upset about the $10 I gave the guy in Fanuel Hall 20 years ago. But a lot of people chime in, be like, that's 100% a scam. That guy is a scammer. Not that they know who he is specifically, but the biggest thing being if you're active duty, like you would not be in an airport with no money hoping to get on a flight within a couple hours, whatever. I remember too, like as I walked out I saw him like looking up at the boards, looking at his phones. I was like, the scam, the scam continues. In case somebody had given him money. They were like, look, he's checking. He's checking if there's any delays on his way back to Fort Fill in the blank.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Exercise, sleep and downtime. You've got a parent, a non parent and a non co inhabitant new listener. Starting listening this started listening this fall to get more into college football as my buddy and I started betting on the weekly slate the life advice session. Hopefully you didn't follow my college football this year. The life advice section has turned into a pleasant surprise. And now I have a million questions that I'd love your thoughts on. But I'll try and keep this one to an area that I feel is connected by three. Three competing priorities. Guess I should have given some stats. Canadian 45 11. That interests you? Ceruti?

[D]

Canadian. There's a lot going on in Canada right now.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There is. Are we gonna get it?

[Van Lathan]

Can you check? Can you google that?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Kyle, Google, what are we getting? Canada.

[D]

I thought we're getting Greenland.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That to me is a wrap. Yeah, I would imagine.

[D]

Do we want Canada?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Natural resources? Hell yeah. I love when people show a map and they complain about Canada and they'll show like the border and the density of population and it's like if you have housing issues, what about all of this? You're like, somebody doesn't understand climate very well.

[Kyle]

Right.

[E]

I've seen that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Anyway, all right, two kids, girls, 10 and 12. Been in the Navy since I was 18. I've never liked a gym, but long distance run, running, biking, racing is my jam. So I'm proud to say I've qualified for Boston with a sub 305 marathon. Damn. Ran the Catalina Island Marathon in 3 hours 30 minutes. Did the Canadian Army Ironman look that one up in 6 hours 35 minutes and an Ironman 70.3 in 5 hours 35 minutes. Longest I've ever ran is the 108 kilometer in 14 hours 30 minutes. FY. 14 hours 30 minutes of running. He said again for the audience to understand. FYI, an ultra marathon is considered any distance 50. Wait, any distance 50 kilometers and above. Right? All right. Did play hockey growing up. So the player comp would be Ly Odelin. Currently training for a full Ironman this summer. Which leads to my question. As I said above, I'm in the Navy, which translates to me traveling one to two hour weeks per month for work. My wife works full time, both my kids play competitive hockey plus other extracurricular activities. So far, man, this has been about a schedule. Did he write in just to tell us his marathon times?

[E]

So me, man, if that's what you.

[Van Lathan]

Were trying to do, it worked. It worked.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm fully impressed. But so life is fucking busy. He says, I've started training for this Iron man, but I'm finding it harder to balance everything compared to when I trained for the half iron Man. Knowing that each of your situations are different, how do you balance exercise, sleep and downtime? How much do you work out on a weekly basis? What is your weekly sleep cycle? Do you have any downtime where you're completely off the clock and checked out? For me, that's usually outside family work exercise commitments. It involves drinking beers or watching sports occasionally with friends. So I guess a follow up question would be how much do you drink during a regular week? I know these are all personal questions. Is this somebody's doctor? Is this one of the three of us? The marathon was the Trojan horse to get us to answer these Questions we're.

[D]

Worried about you just send it an email and get everybody's answers.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I don't. I guess I think we did something like this on Friday. Feedback. So how do you handle your work life balance, Kyle?

[E]

Sleep's my number one. Exercise is erratic sometimes. If you know how many hours of sleep.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Give me your sleep schedule.

[E]

I'm like, I'm, I'm. I'm firm. Seven. And I could, I could be talked into eight. It's like 9:30. And I'm looking at her like, should we just. Should we just knock out? She's like, I thought you'd never ask.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's like.

[E]

So, yeah, we'll do that sometimes. But I need. I'm at least 7. I was always the second guy asleep at the sleepovers because I know what happens to the first guy. So I was always just planning out sleepovers. No, I'm just saying, like, I've been a tired guy my whole life. Like, I've been a. I've been a. You know, like it gets dark out and starting to feel it to two to three hours of darkness and I'm like, let's just go to bed. And so I was just, you know, just waiting for the first guy to knock out so, you know, they could do whatever and then that I'd go to sleep at peace. So I'm just saying. I've always valued sleep. I'm down to pretty much two drinking days a week. One of them is usually golf. So I'm walking and drinking and that's probably about four.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's not even a real day.

[Van Lathan]

It's like a half. Yeah, exactly.

[E]

Like probably about four Coors lights. Yeah. And we're walking nine holes, so that's. I'm good for one of those and one frolic. And I don't know, that's probably. That's probably like seven drinks at. @ a frolic time now. So I don't know. And then exercise. Like, I'll do it. I do my walk stuff in the morning, my walk jog thing. And then, you know, if like a Bill segment's taking too long, I'll just stand up. I got some 35s behind me. I'll just start doing stuff with them.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You'll do curls during Bill's monologues.

[D]

Yeah, I gotta start doing that.

[E]

Yeah, Yeah, I got some 10. I got some tens that I got from my father in law, some 25s. And I got a lot of range with those. So I've been, I've been messing around.

[D]

Hell yeah.

[E]

Little advice for Ryan's open there, Steve. If you could just keep some, keep some dumbbells near you and just pass.

[D]

Have I told you I have the treadmill? I have like the treadmill, the desk treadmill thing. My parents moved and they had like one of those really thin ones and I was like, I'll take it. So I try to. I used to be better about it and I'm not. I have to get back on my grind. But I used to just like walk a couple miles while I would like answer emails and stuff and you know. Cause like, it's just. I don't know, I. I have a. I have a bad time or I'm bad at, I should say, like balancing a lot of like my work day. Like, because it's also weird because you work from home. You're like, man, should I be at my desk all the time? Or like, can I go do stuff? Like it's. There's still this like weird thing in your head about like what's kind of acceptable and what's not. Even though I as like a, as like a manager, quote unquote, I'm like, I get your work done. I don't really care like what time you do any of this stuff. And as long as people aren't complaining, I'm happy. Keep it moving. My sleep thing is weird. I am a night owl. I've always been a night owl, which is kind of weird because my dad is like the most morning person of all time. Like he wakes up at 4 every day and like starts his day and I, I don't know that I'm ever comfortable going to bed before midnight. But having a kid kind of that up pretty badly because. And luckily she's been a good sleeper. But um. So like, I used to be like a hard eight plus hour a night guy and I am. I've kind of moved into the seven and sometimes less range just because I like kind of refuse to go to sleep early. And I've been weirdly okay. Like I thought it would impact me more, I'd be tired more and maybe just like, I look tired, I got bags under my eyes, who knows? And maybe like that in the long run it's not gonna be a good thing. But I've kind of just gotten less sleep and have been okay so far. So I don't know if I'd recommend that, but that's at least what I do. And then what was the other one? Oh, drinking. I kind of only drink when I play video games with my buddies, so. That's like maybe one night a week and it's a couple drinks. That's about it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

When's the last time you went out to a bar and just were like, it's been a while.

[D]

It's been a long time. Actually, I'm trying to think. It's probably like once a month maybe, if that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Oh, okay. All right. I thought you were going to say maybe it had been like six months.

[D]

No, right.

[E]

Was it Denver?

[D]

Denver. We got after that pretty good. Yeah, that was fun. We had a good time. We. Well, you guys complained. Complained that I left early. Even it was like 2am I just.

[E]

Noted that you were the first.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Did I complain?

[E]

You left early. I just noted because in a place with Bill and Ryan, you left before both of them.

[D]

I just thought it was like 2am and my body. Yeah, like, I don't know. I left. I don't know what you want me to do.

[E]

It was over. It was.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But they wanted to close. And then they were kind of like, you know what? This is a really good crowd for a midweek week deal. Like, they would have been out of there hours before. Right. So I don't think that they were going to complain because we were taking.

[D]

Care of them, but it's actually kind of funny. I've got a situation coming up. My buddy who lives in Chicago, we don't get to see him very often. He's coming in for like a weekend. It's kind of like a, hey, get out of the apartment. Let my wife have the apartment door. So for a weekend and not bother. And he's got a couple trips, couple stops, like in the northeast on the way. So we're getting him for a Friday night and like, the crew is trying to figure out, like, what to do. Yeah, we booked him for a Friday night and we're like, should we just do like a, like, just to get weird sleepover situation? We were talking about, like, getting Airbnbs in, like, the town over. Just like, just to have a. A safe space for the night for the boys, which is a little bit weird. I guess when you say that out.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Loud, it's kind of weird. But as you were saying it, I'm like, is that I could see Maddie.

[E]

Like, leave your location, but now I.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Kind of love it.

[Kyle]

I can see.

[E]

Buddy, like, why don't you take this air tag with you?

[D]

Because the problem is, like, yeah, like, a couple of us have kids. Like, the kids will come over, but then they've got bedtimes. But I want to stay. I want to Kind of get after it with my guys. So I don't, I don't really know how I'm going to play it yet. So that was kind of on the table, but that will be a get after at night for sure.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Somebody on the text strategy, like somebody's going to bang a hundred dudes over here. I've already talked about my weekly thing when I did it on Friday, feedback. And then after I did, I was like, oh, cool, you work out a lot and you're talking about it and then you work a lot and then you have a side hobby and whatever. I think the ultimate thing is that this guy's talking about training for ultramarathons. Guess what? You are more dedicated fitness in whatever your pursuit of fitness is the 99.9% of the people walking the planet.

[Van Lathan]

All right, so like, for us to.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Give you perspective on how to balance it all, you have decided to take on some of the most physically challenging endeavors in any competitive field. And you're doing it and you're clearly doing it really well and it makes you feel better. So like, if you don't have guilt, like what my, my real advice to you be like, what, what thing are you trying to unlock? Because clearly you enjoy the pursuit of these high intensity extreme sports that you're a part of.

[Van Lathan]

Like, you are wired a very different.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Way and I think you should be psyched about all of those things. So why are you coming to us for advice, really? Like, there's nothing, none of us are.

[Van Lathan]

Going to be able to tell you.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What you should or shouldn't be doing. Because I think it's very clear that you have a higher level to commitment to a higher level of commitment to challenges that would strike fear in almost every man.

[D]

The ironman thing is kind of getting me now though. And this is a good hypothetical.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So two point.

[Van Lathan]

Would you.

[D]

Two point? No, no, just let me finish. Hold on. 2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike ride, and obviously the marathon, which is 26.2. What percentage do you think you'd finish? Like if you just had to do one of those things, like which one do you think you could finish? The highest percentage of. I think it's the bike ride. Even though it's 102 miles.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Oh, I'd be the swim for me. I got gills like Johnny.

[D]

2.2. Almost two and a half miles of swimming. That seems like the hardest one.

[E]

Yeah. Miles long. I was, I was going to say swim too, but I don't know. We talking ocean swim, right? I mean, where are you going to find two mile, Like a big lake?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Maybe you could turn around.

[D]

I'll even let you do it in a pool. But like 2 point. How many laps in a pool is 2.4 miles?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Lot of laps.

[E]

Unlimited time. If you're telling me if. If you could finish one of these, I think I would choose the two miles in the water.

[Ryan Rosillo]

The bike thing, man, you get that lactic acid burning up in the quads. I mean, again, we're just talking about sitting around and then, hey, pick one.

[D]

Which one?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Everybody would drown. The bike thing. The second charge up a hill, you'd be like, I'm out.

[Van Lathan]

So it'd probably be walking the marathon.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, no, it'd be walking.

[E]

Oh, walking the Marath.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Van Lathan]

But at least a mile, you get.

[D]

Some downhill, you know, you get the cruise. You put on cruise control for a little bit, you know. I don't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Cruise control?

[D]

Yeah. You know, you go downhill.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[D]

I think it's the bike.

[Van Lathan]

Anyway, let us know that the advice.

[Ryan Rosillo]

We give that guy is don't ask us for advice. Fine. Checking his goggins. Hasn't asked me anything going on. Because we can't. You're.

[Van Lathan]

You don't need our help.

[Ryan Rosillo]

See here, this one is good. And I. It's. It's just so specific and weird. I don't know what's going on with the sorting today. Having sorting issues. Dream job destroyed by maniac. My name is.

[E]

That would be. If it was that guy.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I was told to give a proper player comp to receive advice. The truth is, I don't watch much basketball. Generally, I prefer movies. So my player comp is probably my favorite movie character. Like the great Bilbo Baggins from the Hobbit 2012. 169 minutes, sir. He's like, seen it four times. I'm always willing to listen. You're a big Lord of the Rings guy, correct?

[D]

I am. But not the Hobbit. You know, I don't know. The original three.

[E]

It was fine. Give me more of that world. That's fine.

[D]

Yeah, the original three year, obviously.

[E]

I actually almost got so fired up yesterday that I was like, it was gonna be like my first, like, video trend thing I would ever do. There was a guy, you know, you've seen those things where, like, they give you, like. Like a random thing and then you got to rank it 1 to 10 or 1 to 9. Yeah, this guy did it. And I'm always like, oh, this is stupid.

[Ryan Rosillo]

This is stupid.

[E]

There is one guy that ranks gross food and like gags and that. I don't know. I. I'm like drawn to that for some reason. But this one that I saw was the one time I was like, I might actually do this one. I'm not going to do it. Now that I said it, it was characters from the Lord of the Rings ranked that you would want to have a beer with. And I was like, fucking perfect. I followed the guy right away because I was like, I hope you do another one of those. Anyway, Lord of the Rings, I'm in. I'm in on all that stuff.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right. Two big guys on it.

[Van Lathan]

All right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So I'm always listening. I'm always willing to listen. And to take the advice of wiser men. I much prefer the safety of my hobbit hole. Watching films and enjoying my cozy life. I was recently given the job of a lifetime similar to Tom Hanks in big 1988. 104 minutes long.

[Van Lathan]

That's funny.

[Ryan Rosillo]

This is good. This is good. Kyle. When he gets a job as a toy designer, I was given the opportunity to be the resident expert on a on a web film review series. Again, a resident expert on a web film review series. Meaning the other host. We'll call him Tim. He seemed to be a family man. Also the title of a fantastic film starring Nicholas Cage. 21:25 minutes. And truly interested in learning more about films from someone with my expertise. However, here's where I need your advice. Since you host a popular podcast and have obviously dealt with a way wide variety of personalities in your industry, I need help with how to continue my dream job yet keep my sanity. I first sometimes noticed that Tim did not seem to actually be watching the movies he reviewed. Sometimes he will often seem unsure if a film is animated or liveaction. And I'm not talking about great movies that mix both. Such as Roger Rabbit 1988, 103 minutes. Or Cool World 1992107147 minutes. He doesn't have run time, but we might add it. I'm talking about fully animated films with talking squirrels. I'm failure. I'm fairly certain that Tim is not a film buff at all. Tim is also extremely abrasive. He will yell and scream at the staff. He often appears to be inebriated and I believe uses a vape pen to do drugs.

[Van Lathan]

He subscribes to every crackpot conspiracy theory there is.

[Ryan Rosillo]

This often bleeds into our revenge views and he'll end up and he'll bring up an anti vax nonsense, holistic medicine or Call for the public execution of political figures. Is this a scant. This can't be.

[E]

I'm trying to think, is this a guy that exists already that he's trying to, like, put into an email?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Is he describing a movie character?

[D]

Has to be.

[E]

Or, like, a guy?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Or just a guy?

[E]

Because it's Alex. Jo. I don't know who this is.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He's hijacked my highly rated and fan favorite segments to play his terrible music he makes, introduces bandmates to talk about his personal life. A show that was supposed to be for film buffs has turned into a soap opera. And everyone knows that soap operas are not movies. The final straw was I've recently partnered with a fellow movie buff and we begin to catalog. We began cataloging a collection of great films to be stored. Wait, is this about Simmons or something? Like, what's going on?

[D]

I don't know. I'm nervous.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I am nervous, too.

[E]

It's not about me, right?

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, I know.

[E]

Ruining your sports show. I don't know.

[Van Lathan]

Right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Then there's going to be an email that we get, like, two days from now. How could you not know that that was about Family Ties Season 4? Like, you're right. I forgot.

[Van Lathan]

So, the final straw.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I've recently partnered with a fellow movie buff and we began cataloging a collection of great films to be stored in an exclusive library for the enjoyment of other buffs. These are being kept as VHS tapes as the quality is impeccable and the cost is minimal compared to modern DVDs. I believe Tim purposely destroyed a large chunk of this collection out of jealousy of the expensive of the expansive library that was being built. Police said that the fire was suspicious of my renters. Insurance is holding back my. So this is. This isn't true.

[D]

What is it referring to? Like, what?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, no, that's. This is really what we're trying to like, what did this guy do? Where we're not figuring out what. What the punchline is? Regardless, the insurance could never replace the sentimental value of such a collection of great cinema. It's truly priceless. Priceless. I. I can't talk today. This guy's in my head. As I sorted through burnt and destroyed classics such as Citizen Kane, 1941, 119 minutes, the wizard of Oz, 1939, 102 minutes. And Willow, 1988, 126 minutes. I love Willow. In my temporary library, a storage garage, I knew that I had to take action. Should I quit my dream job? Is it possible to make him realize he's running? He's ruining a great outlet for people who love great cinema. I fear I may never get the opportunity to review these great movies again. How would you proceed? What time was that sent? Midday.

[E]

If it's real, start your own podcast or whatever. YouTube channel. It's the only thing I have. I don't think it's real, though.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I. There's something that we're not figuring out behind that. Like, is he trying to say that someone in the world that we're in is doing something and then the other person is ruining it? But then the fire and the insurance thing again. He wrote this before the fires happened, so I don't think he was.

[E]

The weirdest version is none of it happened, and he just made it up to have an interesting email. That would be the weirdest version of it.

[Van Lathan]

The weirdest version is it's real.

[E]

Well, I guess so.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

But I don't think there's any chance.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right. We end this week on a mystery.

[D]

Tune in next week.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, man. Going to be in my Crawford days.

[D]

I really hope it's not something that, like, we're just being really stupid about. It's like, oh, yeah, but I don't know.

[Van Lathan]

Yeah, but see, but that can happen.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, every now and then. And. And I, you know, there's on air people that I don't even like that'll make mistakes where I'll think, that's a tough spot. They were in a tough spot there. And, you know, people make mistakes or whatever. And so when it happens where you're, like, in it and you're trying to figure out, like, what's my advice going to be or whatever, and then you'll kind of be like, oh, like, when that guy did the Cure lyrics, it was like, all right, you got us. But are you serious? I'm supposed to remember the Cure lyrics.

[Van Lathan]

From 40 years ago?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, that's your loss by not listening. But I loved him. I don't remember their lyrics, but this one, this one is very weird. I can't. Yeah, I don't know what the code is right now. Maybe somebody else will figure it out. And if you do figure it out, try not to be so hurtful about it. So how about that? All right. Enjoy your weekend. Ryan Rosula podcast.

[Van Lathan]

Thanks to Kyle.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Thanks to Oregon. Well, thanks to just whatever else.

[Van Lathan]

This is war right now.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whoever else is doing this, great job. Ryan Rosulo podcast ringer. Spotify.

[Van Lathan]

Must be 21 and older.

[Ryan Rosillo]

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[Van Lathan]

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[Ryan Rosillo]

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