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The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Part 1: Daniel Jeremiah on Ohio State’s Dominance, Texas’s Near Disaster, Ewers vs. Allar, and Drake Maye Over Caleb Among NFL Rookie QBs
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Ryan Rosillo
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Daniel Jeremiah
Okay, this is part one of a two part day for the Ryan Russell podcast. So basically what we're going to do and why we change things up. Danger Jeremiah is going to come on right now. We're going to talk about the bowl games, what he's seen, and then relate that to some of the draft stuff. And he has some awesome stuff on like quarterbacks in general. If you're a Drake May fan, you're probably really going to like it and we'll do a very straightforward life advice later on. Tonight will be part two. It'll be Friday feedback, but I'm also going to kind of recap Notre Dame Georgia into a state of the conference stuff that I was talking about earlier with Daniel Jeremiah. So we basically gave you some bonus stuff in two pods and that's what we're going to do. So enjoy part one. This episode of the Ryan Rosilla podcast is presented by State Farm. Bring home a win with an affordable price when you bundle home and auto with the personal price plan. Talk to Estate Farm Agent today to learn how you can bundle and save with the personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. Different schedule this week, but a great time to have Daniel Jeremiah on. We're going to talk about the bowl games, some of the draft stuff as well, and some thoughts on the NFL. Daniel Jeremiah, of course, with NFL Network as an analyst to be part of the draft coverage and a host of Move the Sticks podcast with Bucky Brooks and Rhett Lewis available wherever you get your podcasts. Happy New Year, man. What's up?
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Ryan Rosillo
Good to see you, buddy. To see you, you know, have all the success over the years, but I mean, that's, that's kind of a given. You're talented. But the fact that you're getting so often spoofed now, I think has taken you to a. I think that's a different tier, you know, when there's people that are spoofing you on, on social media. I think that's just a level of fame we can all hope to get to.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, no, you're right. I think that's the, the way you got to look at it. A few more have made it my way the past week, so I just always want it to be good, you know, it's like if it's gonna, if you're gonna do it, you know, because I think there's a Few, like mail it in approaches. I've seen a few times where I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if your writing's B plus level on the guy who did you.
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Ryan Rosillo
The guy who did you. That did. I think it's the same guy that did Shriger and Simmons, right?
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Daniel Jeremiah
I don't know.
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Ryan Rosillo
I. I think so. I saw one with Schrager and I thought, I don't know if anybody can do Peter Scher. But I saw this thing. I was like, I. Not bad, not bad.
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Daniel Jeremiah
We'll see. We get it. Get some Daniel Jeremiah in there. Look, watching, Watching Ohio State, Oregon yesterday, part of me wonders if the Michigan loss is going to be the greatest thing that's happened to Ohio State football in years. Because they look like a beast now. A different team. At halftime, it's 34 nothing. It's total dominance. And kind of, at least for me, I'm like, who's picking against Ohio State again the rest of the way? Cause this looks like you're. It looks like the national championship winner. Granted, there's still some work to do with the expanded playoff here, but what do you think was different in the second matchup for you?
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Ryan Rosillo
I mean, it just looked completely different. You know, start with Will Howard. That was my kind of skepticism, was, okay, was that a one off? You know, the last time we saw Will Howard against Tennessee, was that like the Zenith? Is that as good as it gets? And then he's going to kind of come back. But then he, you know, he put together another solid game. I thought, Chip too, like the Michigan thing is going to be, you know, that I can't wrap my brain around. And I'd be curious if like you gave a truth serum to Chip and just be like, why, like why. Why were you guys so committed to the run against Michigan? They got two great players on defense and you just ran into the teeth of them that entire game. When you've got a cyborg on the outside that nobody can touch. And then it was like, Tennessee. Oh, we're just going to, we're just going to throw it around. We're going to get those guys involved. Early run away. This game came out even more aggressive. We're going to throw it, get him involved. Early ran away. And so I think that was, that was really kind of the mystery of the Michigan game, which I don't know if we've ever got an answer to that question.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I'll never understand that Michigan game.
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Ryan Rosillo
Weird watch, right? Just like, what, what are they doing?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. Because if there was, there was something about Ohio State, it was the shuffling offensive line. It was a two year stretch here of Ohio State where you go, you know, they're not really aligned it up and run it down your throat against the other teams that are at their level. I mean, maybe they can do it some of the other teams in the conference, but like your, your strengths are three NFL receivers. And even if, if you don't like Will Howard as much, I, the first time I felt really good about him this year was in the Oregon game. I know he had the mistake at the end on the last session, but that's really like a timing downs type of thing. So I don't, I don't, I didn't leave that game going, oh, really good game. But he, he screwed it all up at the end. So for them to come out and do that and show that version of him, I just, I mean, there's no way I'm picking Texas against him.
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Ryan Rosillo
There's just. Well, the other thing, the other thing I think when you've played a team is that you kind of identify where you can go at them. And that's just not. I'm not talking about the secondary, I'm talking about the offensive line and God bless the right tackle from Oregon. Man, but he just had a, he just had a bullseye on his chest the whole game. And they realized they could bowl him, they realized they could power him. And it's just they, and they were rolling guys through. It wasn't just, you know, one guy, it wasn't just Sawyer. They're running a bunch of guys through there. They just rushed right through his chest and he had no breaks. I mean, that was, that was tough. I thought Gabriel looked, I mean, that was a game too where I thought, man, he looked. I've seen him in person and he is small, but he looked really small. Everything was just kind of collapsing and even on some of the throws he was making, it was like, kind of like he was throwing out of a well, just like trying to get over the wall, just get the ball over the wall that was in front of him. The degree of difficulty on him hitting like a 10 yard crosser was off the charts.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I think the broadcasts are always trying to be nice. Right. Because they talked about that storyline. He, Fowler and Herbstream were talking about how he put in his papers. And for those that just need a reminder, if you're draft eligible but you're deciding whether or not you want to come back, certainly with a number of guys coming Back now you get an evaluation from the NFL and they'll kind of like recommend. This is your draft range. And for him, it was undrafted free agent. So he comes back, you look at the resume, the touchdowns, the wins, the game start and all that kind of stuff. And I. I think there's like a nice version of everybody in the football world that wants to say stuff where it's like, you know, that's a lot of experience, it's a lot of production. You know, you could do worse than that. It's like, yeah, but I mean, there's. There's dudes, you know, this kind of reminds me of, like, the Kellen Moore thing when he was.
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Ryan Rosillo
That was my comp. That was my. Look at my tweet from last night.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Oh, is it really? I didn't swear to you.
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Ryan Rosillo
Swearing.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
If you pull up my tweet from last night, I said, I'll listed all of his skills. And I said, he's. He reminds me of Kellen Moore, like, identical, by the way, his size, because I looked it up, because I have it from the spring when the guys went through there, when the scouts went through there, because, you know, you always see what's listed. He's 5, 10, 4. So he's 5, 10 and a half, 201 pounds.
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Daniel Jeremiah
But it has to be beyond just the size, though.
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Ryan Rosillo
You have that. If you have that. If you're short and you're like that, that's really short. So Russell Wilson had huge arm, you know, as someone who was in that, you know, and he was 20 pounds heavier, who looked like he was built like a wrestler, you know, and. And I would. Is more urgent, more sudden, especially coming out. Russ could. Could really move. So you start there. Kyler Murray is, as we all know, is a freak athlete with a freak arm. Like the other. The other traits have to be off the charts if you're not going to check the, you know, the size box. And then I. I had somebody, I think maybe it was Ross Tucker, but reached out to me and said, well, what's the difference between him and Tua? And I'm like, well, yeah, they have similar strengths, but with Tua, those strengths are at an elite, elite level, you know, in terms of processing, release, you know, ball handling, RPO stuff, just how quick he is with all of his movements. And then Tua's bigger and. And stronger. So, yeah, like, he's that type of quarterback, but Tua's is way above the line in all of those same strength areas, whereas I think Gabriel's Kind of more on the line.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Would Jeremiah Smith be the number one pick this year?
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Ryan Rosillo
He'd be the best player. Yeah. I mean, so then it just comes down to need, who's picking first. But he would. If you were going to put a grade on players that I've, that I've seen throughout this year, all the draft eligible guys I've done, he's better than all of them. So.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I don't know that there's a huge surprise there. Okay, so this is a good. Because this is kind of how I'm going to do it. Kind of jump around here a little bit. Quinn, yours. We know the resume coming out and it is always kind of weird to be reminded. It's like he's the highest graded quarterback prospect ever in the recruiting process. Ohio State ends up at Texas. He's good. You know he's good. We know that he hasn't been. I mean we keep hearing about this oblique thing and then the ankle stuff and everything. Texas falling apart in that game, which makes no sense except that it's the most Texas thing of the 24 season because this is who they. They've had multiple games all year long where you're like, they're so much better than the other team. And then you look up and you're like, how is this a game? And in this case it's Scatter Boo with the fourth down. It's the fake punt, it's the safety. You know, you just start adding up all these little things that are happening. Scatter Boo has the catch. They get both two point conversions. You've got Bert, Auburn missing kicks. But I would say like, this is not the game to get on your case because I thought the drive to get into the first game winning kick attempt that was missed was incredible. There were three throws in that drive where I'm like, okay, this is really good stuff. He gets him in even closer range. They miss the next one. So I know people can talk about the fourth down, touchdown and overtime and then the game winner. I thought there were throws, specifically the second to last game winning kick attempt where I know you guys don't have him as like this lock top 10 guy, but even with the limitations statistically from where he's been kind of in the second half of the season, this, this game to me is not even close to being on his shoulders that it ended up in double overtime.
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Ryan Rosillo
So I'm not, I'm not ready to quit on him. And I'll give you the, the three reasons why I think there's Three components to it. Number one, I, I liked him over the summer. When I studied him off last year, like, I was excited about him. I thought he was, you know, I thought he had a real good shot. First round pick. I thought there was twitch with him. I thought the ball came out. Well, he's got it, he's. Everything about him's got some life to it now. It's just, okay, can we clean it, clean up some of the decision making and maybe just kind of dial some things in a little bit. I thought maybe with age and experience that would come. So that's the first thing is what you had coming into this year. The oblique thing's real because I, I, from what I was told, that thing was like torn and he's just been playing through that. And as someone who's thrown, you think about having to throw with that. That's got to be miserable in terms of how you're feeling with that. So I'll give him a little bit of a pass for some of the performance that hasn't measured up based off of the injury. And then number three, the way he's. The way he kind of finished up and the way he finished up in this game is a great example. Now let's see where he goes as we, you know, go through the rest of this thing. And they got a monster coming up, but I would even add a fourth in that. It's an underwhelming quarterback class. So if he decides he doesn't want to go on the portal, doesn't want to take, you know, the reported. What are they saying, like 5 or 6 million bucks is probably sitting out there for him. I think he's going to have a chance to fight his way up through the spring just because of, you know, who he's competing against. Because there is. The guy is talented, he's got ability in there. And I think there is the toughness component. I don't know if you can question that physically based off what he's worked through. And then I don't know how you could. Question, question is mental toughness when you've got literally the most popular backup quarterback maybe in the history of college football, you know, right behind you.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, deep throws, I think are always kind of the issue with him. And then he did have the pick. That was part of the comeback too, but it wasn't like it was some deep in your own territory first, second down pick where you're like, it's a decision thing where you're like, what are you doing on that by the way, I loved, I think it was Katie George gave us the sideline report of the 4th and 1 throw where she had Sark essentially going to the play call the guys up in the booth and was like, hey, what are we doing? That was unbelievable access because I was thinking like fourth and one against Arizona State and you're throwing it to the sideline and again it was like a covered throw.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Daniel Jeremiah
So yours had to get the ball up. I think golden had that catch. But it was awesome access to be at home because there's just been play calling and I don't, I don't really love to be the oh, that play call these guys are. You know, I think it's a very simple thing to do when people just think every time a team loses that their play calling is just atrocious. But I'd say even like with Penn State in the Boise game, like there was a third and one where they ran kind of misdirection to a tight end throw and you're going, what are we doing? What It's Boise. Like what are you guys doing? Fourth one against Arizona State. Like I guess you're, you're trying to do something the defense isn't predicting. And I'd say even with Penn State like Colton Ecki, that's, that's kind of what you're getting with him. You're going to get some adventurous stuff and you can't like it as opposed to being vanilla as Penn State has been in the past and then be upset when, when he does something a little bit different. But yeah, I think the play callers just feeling themselves a little bit over the last week.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, I think the opposite side of that is true though too because I was watching from the Boise side of things going, gosh, like that's your boys. Like you gotta, you gotta get creative and spice this thing up a little bit here. Like I kept waiting for, you know, kind of old school vintage Boise to kind of throw some tricks out of the bag there to try and you know, take down a team that's more talented than you across the board and they kind of played it more safe and, and right down the middle. Which kind of surprised me a little bit.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Do you think? And I was thinking about didn't like scatter Boo gets them back into the game. Is it impossible to be an underdog running back based offense and, and knock off one of the big boys? I feel like I've, I have these memories from my past of like a running back could carry a team and you know, look, it's. It's a couple games and Arizona State got back into this thing. So what am I talking about? Me. So maybe it was a bit more prominent of a thought when I was watching Boise and I just, I think moving forward from now on. But if it's a team that's a dog and running back is their primary weapon, it's just like, I don't know how you're ever going to have a chance unless a bunch of stupid stuff happens in a football game.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. The hard thing is you're trying to convince a guy who grew up in San Diego and watched Marshall Falk just tear up everybody that they played against at San Diego State. So I still hold out a little bit of hope for a team that has, you know, that's a Hall of Fame level, you know, back, though.
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Kyle
Yeah.
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Daniel Jeremiah
But that's kind of the point is that I think we grew up that it's not just romanticizing something that didn't happen. I think it. I think it did happen. And now I don't know that I'll ever be like, yeah, I'm going to pick them. I'm going to pick them as an underdog built around a running back kind of offense. All right, so does that mean. Where are you on your Penn State belief system?
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Ryan Rosillo
Just riding the Drew Aller Express like the rest of the country, man. Just, you know, seeing if he can. If he can string together some consistent performances. If he does, the rest of it's really, really good with all the other pieces that they have. So I. I know with him, too, he had to be loving it. Just like I finally get to get out of this crappy weather, like, put me in a perfect environment and I can throw this thing around a little bit, but everything else they've got is really good. Abdul Carter's injury will be interesting. I don't even know what did they say exactly what it was with him, why he didn't come back in.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I thought it was. And I could be wrong here now. Shoulder days. Shoulder. Because the stuff that they showed him doing or the, you know, whether it was trying to figure out what was wrong. It felt like they kept putting his arm above his head.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. As he's as talented as anybody in this draft class. So, I mean, that's a very big piece for them. But, I mean, now they've got, you know, they've got solid backs. They're good up front on both sides of the line of scrimmage, and they have a quarterback and I. I kind of. And We've talked about this I think before NFL related is when you look at the playoffs with quarterbacks like consistency it's almost like I don't really care about the floor so much when we get in the playoffs. I care about what your ceiling is and can you Joe Flacco this thing for a month and just hit that ceiling three, four times? That's all I need. I don't need, I'm not relying on you to roll out there 17 weeks in a row and be good and consistent. And I think Drew Aller kind of fits that mold of like he's fully capable of going on a four game run, you know, because he's got a ton of ability.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Do you like him better than yours?
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Ryan Rosillo
I think they're, I think they're total opposites. You know, I, I, I just, they're totally different styles. I think they're what kind of offense you're going to be in is going to be a factor and I think who you got working with those guys is going to be a factor. But Aller is, Aller gets to a run a run team with, with you know, ability to work off play action and just freaking fire seeds on comebacks and curls and you know, work outside the numbers and vertical like I think he'll be really good. I think if you just put him in the shotgun and we're going to throw it 45 times a game, I, I think yours has more of a chance to develop into being, you know, one of those types of guys.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I had mentioned, what was it, Monday's pod? I was just happy about Brock Bowers because I thought for a stretch there, the first couple years of Georgia, he looked like the single best player in all of college football. He missed some time his junior year and it was just such a weird class in 24 because all the quarterbacks and everything, he ends up, you know, we could look back on that and be like how did he go that late? It's like well go back through the draft and quarterback need, I mean that's going to bump you down six spots or whatever. How do you compare Tyler Warren to how you felt about Brock again?
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Ryan Rosillo
Like I would have a higher grade on Brock but totally, totally different guys. He just, Tyler Warren's enormous. He's so big and you know the Gronk thing's going to, going to be the comp because it's just, there's so many similarities there. I think Gronk had a little bit more twitch to him. I think both those guys like I, I Just, I just was watching Loveland the other day and studying him at Michigan, and it's like, okay, it's literally, what do you want? Like, Gronk, if you want to run, like, option routes and whip routes, like, that's not Gronk. Why are you drafting Gronk to do that? But if you want to just let have a rolling billboard going down the seam, that. That has a ridiculous catch radius that nobody can tackle once he does catch the ball, or you want to keep him on the move, you know, crossers, overs, all those things, it's perfect. Whereas Loveland has got more kind of like the. The. He's from the Kelsey branch of the tight end tree, where, hey, we can get in and out whip routes, you know, we're going to have option routes to work off of linebackers. He's going to create all this separation. Tyler Warren doesn't create a ton of separation, but it doesn't really matter. He just walls guys off and boxes them out and catches everything. So to me, Bowers, what made him so unique is he can play. He can actually play above the rim and do those things for a smaller tight end, he can go up and get it. But the whip route stuff, the change of direction stuff, like, you're seeing a bunch of things with them where they're running. I guess you'd almost call it like a mesh return where, you know, you kind of run a lot of mesh and they'll run mesh. He'll be coming across and then he'll. He'll wind back. And his ability to just turn and just a sudden and immediate get out of there and explode. Like, that was what Bowers did. That was. Was so special. I saw that Georgia team he was on over his career play live, like, two or three times. And every time I left the stadium, I was like, as much talent as on this field. Like, he's the best football player on the field.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. And it's played out that way as rookie year, especially when you think about who Vegas has been this season.
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Ryan Rosillo
How about McConkey and him? By the way, is that going to go down as one of the more underrated combos in college football? Like, I don't. I don't know that people realize, like, McConkey's been as good as any rookie receiver in the NFL. Brock Bowers has put together the best rookie tight end season in history.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. And it also makes you realize, like, as you're getting ready for Georgia Notre Dame, another reminder of why Georgia's had some issues. Do you Have a, do you have a lean on that one tonight?
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Ryan Rosillo
I just, I think that Notre Dame is like the. If you just kind of go resume and eye test, like, oh, they've played better, they're the better football team. But I just, I. These playoff games are quarterbacks in D line driven. And I just can't stop thinking about this Georgia D line just being so fresh and Kirby, having them just go out there, you know, having them just dialed up and ready to go and I think that's their defensive line could single handedly win them this ball game. So I'm, I'm actually, I actually taking Georgia to win. But I say that knowing look based off what we've seen, the eye test and, and you know who's the quote unquote better team? It would be Notre Dame. But I just think that defensive line could take it over.
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Daniel Jeremiah
So this is a good transition into this because you know, as somebody who obviously, like I've argued for the SEC for years, I think it is the better conference. And then, I mean it just became really, really political and it's going to get even worse with the 12 teams. I did not. Even though I had thrown at me a lot over the past week, I never argued Bama to be in after the Oklahoma loss because I don't know that there's anybody that's been more critical of Milro, you know, other than I'm talking like a guy who's doing what I'm doing, you know, hell, I'm doing an NBA pot once a week too. So, you know, I'm just not a fan. And the only way you lose to Michigan is in the way that Alabama lost to them. But when you look at the head to head stuff here with Ohio State, Tennessee, the South Carolina game was a lot more surprising to me than having Milro just have some dud. And then Michigan ends up getting into it and then you've got USC A&M. So the head to head stuff here with the Big Ten in the sec, you know, it's been, it's been a nice bowl season here for the Big Ten and who knows? I mean if Ohio State gets Texas, you could have a Penn State, Georgia thing in there. I mean the Big Ten could put together an incredible resume and maybe even another national championship here. I think when it comes to the conference stuff though, like it's, it's slow moving mass where it has to consistently go in a direction for me to all of a sudden anoint like finally be ready to say, yeah, there's actually Another conference that's better than the sec because I think that's. That's something that doesn't get updated weekly. You know, it's. It's something that has to happen, and eventually you'd think it would maybe happen just because of the cycle of sports. So, look, there's momentum here for the Big Ten and for, you know, what we've seen from the SEC here. I guess the problem I always have with. With coming to that conclusion is I've never met any coach that's coached in the SEC and then in another conference say anything other than, yeah, it's just different. It's harder and it's different and the players are better. And, you know, somebody can't go from the SEC and then go coach in the Big 12 or the Big 10 and then say, oh, actually the SEC still is better. Like, you're not going to get that quote from anyone once they move to work in another part of the country. And because of the access over all the years of ESPN and being friends with guys, it's just I'm waiting for the one guy who's who I trust, who I have a great relationship with. Tell me. Actually, there isn't that big of a gap because I've never heard it.
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Ryan Rosillo
I just think that it's. Look, it's pretty simple. Two things. Number one is it pertains to, like, who gets in to the tournament and all that kind of stuff. I am anti. Well, they have the most NFL talent, so they get to get into the tournament because that just is. That's. To me, it's. That has nothing to do with who the best team is because I've. Look, I'm a Padre fan, so we'd have a lot of. We'd have a lot of banners flying around Petco park if just being the most talented team, you know, made you the best team. So that getting in the tournament is one thing. The other thing is, by the way.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Just to interject here, make sure you bring that up to McShay, because even as I would sit here arguing for the SEC all season long, he proposed that, like somebody, an NFL evaluator, should be on the committee to help talk about how talented team is. Even I had to push back a bit. I knew as he said it, I could just feel the rage from every other sector of the country outside of the Southeast.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, there used to be. I mean, I remember in the, you know, this is going back into the. Gosh, I guess it'd be like the early 2000s, like, early 2000s. I remember being in draft meetings where I want to say it was Georgia too, because every year we would have this conversation of never has so little been done with so much because we would just look at our draft board and it's just littered with all these players and we'd be like, how did they not. How did they not win everything with all these guys? So that's two different conversations in terms of talent and team. The second thing is, I think one of the reasons we've seen this incredible era of SEC football is that at least one, if not more than one of those elite teams who've always had elite talent, finally had quarterbacks, you know, like LSU had quarterbacks. Alabama has went on a string, a run of having quarterbacks. So it let all that talent play and show. And now it's almost like some of that talent is being hidden behind the fact that these elite teams. Georgia doesn't have a great quarterback. LSU's got a solid quarterback, but not a, you know, not. There's not. That's not Joe Burrow going through there. Alabama said a little bit of a lull here after being on an incredible run. So I still think that they're just pure talent wise. The sec, you know, has that. But, you know, the quarterback stuff has not been great. And I think that now it's just, it's a level playing field, you know, with, with everybody else. And Ohio State has always been on par with the sec. Like you could say they're the extra SEC team with Penn State and Michigan, you know, on a yearly basis, kind of being in that. In that mix. So I, I still think it's kind of that same core group of teams. It's mostly SEC plus two or three more. But I think the big story with the SEC is like, they're on a little bit of a dry run with quarterbacks right now.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. Because, I mean, you'll add up this bowl season. I mean, we'll see where it goes. I mean, you could really dig into it and be like, well, wait a minute, the Big Ten's whipping it out and they're 8 and 5 in the bowl season, in the SEC 7.
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Ryan Rosillo
Can we use the bowl? I don't. And, and I'm agreeing with your premise, but I just.
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Daniel Jeremiah
But the ball.
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Ryan Rosillo
I mean, look, these are spring games now.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, but I mean, look, the SEC doesn't not use it to their side of the argument. I mean, I'm kind of in like a weird spot here because again, it gets so political where it's like, well, no one's actually changing their mind. Yeah, you know, like with the SEC's record in bowl games and going through it, of course you would use that as evidence, so you can't skip it, even if there are times. Now I'm kind of doing the open that I was going to do later on, but whatever, just. Just using it. You know, I call it like Danny Canel day. There was a bowl season like 10 years ago where the SEC just lost a bunch of these games, bunch of close games, just some weird stuff happened. And then he came in like he just won an election the next day at work. And all it really was was like a dead cat bounce. It was. It was a bull season that was bad on paper for them and they just kept rolling. But, you know, if Ohio State gets another title, you go back to back, you know, that was always kind of. The other thing is, if you look at the SEC and you've got five teams here in recent history that have won a national championship, and those teams, most of them winning multiple national championships, that could. You get five deep with the Big Ten before you'd start laughing at the idea of it. Well, you know, at least in this case, if Ohio State pulls it out here still, again, a lot of work to do. I think at least the conversation is moving in a direction where you can have a conversation about something that I would never have never indulged in.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you realize how close we are to having, I mean, this conversation? It's going to be revisionist because if, if I have this right, if, if Notre Dame wins, right? Notre Dame beats Georgia. We have. We have in the final four, which.
- [27:52]
Daniel Jeremiah
Is totally possible, by the way.
- [27:54]
Ryan Rosillo
Totally possible. Right, right. So we have, coming off on the heels of having a 14 playoff, all the top four seeds gone in this thing. So you're going to have. I'm telling. Oh, Danny, Dan, Danny's like the perfect one. He'll have a field day with this and be like, all these years where we scholarship the second SEC team into the 14 playoff and now here we are. Now we're seeing how flawed this system has been that, you know, when we rank the top four, none of them could even make it into the semis in the first year of the 12 team playoff. It's just, I don't know, it's. There's. People are gonna have a field day with the seating on this thing.
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Daniel Jeremiah
And I would say I'd need more than one year of results to, to feel like we can come to some kind of conclusion. And look, go back through all the four team years. I really don't think they got it wrong.
- [28:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I'd have to go through. I'd have to go through and look at that. I don't. I don't. There's nothing off the top of my head that says, oh, I can't believe this team got in over that team. That was so egregious, that impact.
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Daniel Jeremiah
There's an Alabama, Ohio State argument one year. I mean, look, I was happy with TCU getting in. I didn't love Cincinnati that year, but I was. When you looked at the field, you're like, okay, you know, let's see, let's see how it looks like. Let's go. Usually that all just became kind of backed up by everything else. The NFL playoffs are almost here, but it's not too late to get in on regular season action with FanDuel, America's number one sportsbook, because right now, new customers can finish the season strong with $250 in bonus bets if your first $5 bet wins. FanDuel has so many ways for you to pick up the W. Not only can you bet on the game, but you also have bets for which players will score a touchdown, how many points each team will score, and so much more. They have a play up right now for Cincinnati and Pittsburgh where if you want to lay 10 +1, 4, 7, so +14, 73 anytime. Touchdown. With Jamar Chase picking this Najee Harris and T. Higgins, I think that's a touchdown. Tad more challenging. So the biggest thing with this week is trying to figure out who you think actually is going to show up. Right. Because of all the different storylines, like, how do you bet New England, Buffalo? I don't know how you bet that game right now because they both should. Well, Buffalo won't care and New England should want to lose. So that's why we've got the Vikings plus two and a half. Everybody in Kansas City is going to be resting, so that's good for Denver, but the total's 39 and a half. So we're going to go over there and then under on what I think will be a hard fought game with Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, where something is obviously on the line there as well. So under 40 and a half, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Vikings plus two and a half at Detroit to close out the season. Everything on the line for the last game of the regular season and over 39 and a half, Kansas City and Denver. So that's the stuff I like at least because I feel like, all right, I know what's expected of both teams throughout this contest as opposed to what's the motivation there? We've got Baltimore at an 18 and a half point favorite on Cleveland on I don't even know how you can touch that. Anyway, just visit FanDuel.com Ryan R Y E N to join today. This way you'll be all set for the biggest games of the year. That's FanDuel.com Ryan Ryn for your chance at $250 in bonus bets. Make every moment more with FanDuel. An official sportsbook partner of the NFL must be 21 and older and present in select states or 18 plus and present in D.C. first online real money wager only $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued is non withdrawable bonus bets which expire seven days after a seat restrictions apply. Seat terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com gambling problem call 100 GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com I want to ask you about the NFL stuff as we finish up the season and look ahead to the playoffs. How do you see the, the personalities of the top AFC teams in comparison with what we have in the NFC right now?
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Ryan Rosillo
I think it's interesting, man. I think we're just looking at the quarterback stuff specifically. I did this the other day, just kind of run through those seven teams and there's so many in the, in the afc. I think Russell Wilson's the only one that's not a homegrown first round pick. Like they're all homegrown ones with superior talent that have, you know, that have hit. And there's some more defensive coaches on the AFC side, which I found was kind of fascinating in terms of how marriage between the head coach and the quarterback and then you go to the NFC and it's like these incredible stories of Sam, you know, and Baker right at the top of the list of kind of, of guys who've found their, their right spot and their right fit. Stafford is, you know, obviously as a Super bowl with the Rams, but still, you know, really hitting big in the right fit on his, you know, on his second team. So it's fascinating to kind of watch these different, you know, how you build a team, the different ways you kind of build a roster with the centerpiece of that being the quarterback. The difference between the AFC and the NFC golf, obviously on the other end of that trade, you know, him or Darnold, one of them is going to have the number one overall seed. So I think going into this I'm kind of marrying the playoffs into what's going into the spring grind with the draft, and it's like, I think it's a little underwhelming on the quarterback side of things. And I think that if you're a general manager, you're going to go, okay. We're not trying to find our next Jaden Daniels this year. We're trying to find our next, you know, Jared Goff, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield. Like, who's the reclamation project that we can. That we can get our arms around?
- [33:10]
Daniel Jeremiah
I. I've told this story before, so I apologize if I told it to you, but, like, becoming friendly with Leiner, because I live out here, and I remember having, like, this pretty intense conversation about, like, his journey and him looking at me going, like, you know, the first year, I really felt comfortable, felt like I was a good fit for the system, kind of understood what it was. It was like my fifth year, he's like. But at that point, like, everybody's over me. It's done. Like, it's over. It's impossible to be in a front office and tell your ownership, like, here's what we'd like to do.
- [33:43]
Ryan Rosillo
Give me five, five, maybe six years.
- [33:46]
Daniel Jeremiah
Of Runway here to hope our guy can figure it out. So just. Just stay the course with us here. So, I mean, we can see the Darnold and the Baker stuff. And certainly, you know, the golf thing isn't as new as Darnold. And, you know, look, Baker and this offensive, what they've been doing, I mean, this is. This is a couple years now in Tampa. Right. So. But it's something that I had tracked for a really long time that didn't really happen is the flame out. First rounder is usually not a success somewhere else, and now we're having it happen multiple times all at the same time. I mean, was there ever a guy. I guess I. I should pivot this into a question. Was there ever a guy that you had when you were working in the front offices where you're like, I know I'm right about him. I just wish he had more time.
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Ryan Rosillo
Oh, gosh. I mean. Well, Sam, I mean, just from That's. That's after my, you know, being in the. In the NSL scouting role.
- [34:45]
Daniel Jeremiah
Right?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. But in terms of when I was actually in the league scouting, I'm trying to go back through and think of, like, some. Some really good grades that I gave.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I know it's not Kyle Bowler, so.
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Ryan Rosillo
No, I came in right after that, and I've told you the bi. The Bowler story. So no that was, that was right after that. Oh gosh. I mean, you know what? I'll. I had a huge. Well, it ended up working out, but I had a huge grade on Alex Smith, you know, and then he was just kind of flamed out, kind of ho hum. And then Harbaugh kind of turned him, you know, late. And then obviously he got with Andy and had some, you know, some real success there with the Chiefs. But that was one early on was like, this is not looking good with the grade that I gave him and you know, having him and Aaron Rodgers right next year I think I had him over Aaron Rodgers. And so there's that after Aaron sets that, that early start and you're like, holy crap. Obviously hall of Fame and you know, going to go down as one of the all time greats. But like, that's when we're like, how could I be that bad? How could I be that off that this guy can't play for this team and this other guy is going to go down as one of the five best quarterbacks, you know, maybe of all time? That's a bad mess. And then, and then finally he kind of kick saved it a little bit when he got an opportunity there with Andy. So that's one that comes off top.
- [35:58]
Daniel Jeremiah
Of my head when I got the chance to interview Alex this year. I mean, I know everybody loves the guy. I did not fully understand how he was putting himself through the ringer mentally. And there's just no accounting for that. Like, how do you, how do you predict, hey, you know, we love all of his talent. He's one everywhere, super productive, great in the interviews. But I can see him being a mental mess for the first five or six years of his career. And it sounds like, at least the way he explained it to me is, is he kind of made himself crazy and it was limiting his ability because all he was doing was thinking about living up to all of the expectations instead of just playing football, which is a really hard thing to do.
- [36:37]
Ryan Rosillo
He had played at such a high level, he was so young, he'd had so much team success and then the expectations on, on top of that, I could see that kind of drowning you, you know, to, to some degree. And he was so freaking smart. Like I just remember we were obviously we weren't in a position to be able to pick him, but you know, going through all the process and then being at the pro day and, and visiting with him and then talking with teams that would be, you know, talking with him and it was just like, God, so Freaking smart, man. Like, he's, you know, we like the tools and I don't think it's, you know, not an elite, elite, elite arm, elite, elite athlete, but everything he does is above the line and like, he's such a great dude and he's so freaking smart. Like, I thought this was an easy bet, you know, on, on that grade.
- [37:21]
Daniel Jeremiah
Where would you rank Drake May as far as this year's quarterback class?
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Ryan Rosillo
I said this about Drake. I would, if I was going to rank him just off purely how they played, I would put him second for me. And that's above Knicks and that's behind Jaden. But if I was going to, if you rephrase the question, say, what's been the most impressive of the quarterbacks? Like, what's impressed me the most. What Drake has done with what he has, has been the most impressive to me. I mean, they are, they are bad. Bad. I mean, they. When you look at that team and I just saw him live last week and I go, okay, what are the pieces? Like? I always like to say when this team's good, maybe that's a year from now, two years from now, five years from now. How many members of this offense are going to be on that good team? Ramondre Stevenson, they got a couple decent interior offensive linemen, but like, nothing that gets me super excited. I don't think there's a receiver on that team that's going to be when they're good, that's going to be playing. The tackles are definitely not on that team. I like Hunter. Hunter Henry's a solid vet, but I mean, he's not going to be by the time they're good, he's not going to be in that window. So this is a one man band and he's made him watchable and competitive. So I think he's been the most impressive that way.
- [38:38]
Daniel Jeremiah
All right. You did a better job of answering a question. I didn't ask because I was talking about like the 25 class. But let's stay on. Yeah, let's stay on this though for a second.
- [38:47]
Ryan Rosillo
So, yeah.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Are you talking about ranking all six guys? You would have Drake number two behind Jaden?
- [38:53]
Ryan Rosillo
I personally would because I think what he's done, I think if you were to him and Bo were to switch and they switch places, I think he would be doing even more, which is impressive to say because of Nix's numbers and how that looks. But I think they have done such a good job of building that thing around Bo and Sean's done such a good job of calling plays. And I mean even, even like this is one thing that's always bugged me about coaches that have rookie quarterbacks that don't take advantage of this. Go look at the like inside the five touchdown passes that, that Sean will give him. Go look at the like third and one, you know, fourth and one short yardage where he'll get him some home run like layups, like nakeds and boots where he can get some layup free shots. Like it would drive me nuts when I would watch Zach Wilson with the jets and I'm like, they would be first and goal with the one and I'm like, dude, do you know what this means in this market with this? Someone who needs some confidence. You, you have a three touchdown game that's just given to you on a platter. Just first down or just, just let him, let him play action. Get the tight end. It's a gimme touchdown. It sounds stupid that in this era with all the numbers we have, the touchdown intersection interception ratio should be so important, but how many times do you hear it referenced in the dialogue and you know, what's written about and what's talked about on the radio and on television? Oh, he had a good year. He had 25 touchdowns and six picks. Like why would you not take the opportunity to give him some of those freebies? And I think Sean does those little things like that of understanding the importance of building him up not only, you know, individually but also the whole support system going like he's having a heck of a year.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, it sounds like we're really, we've not talked about Bo Nick's URI all season long. Long because it's been a really good season for a rookie quarterback and yet I can't help but think like, yeah, all right, maybe he'll be okay. You know where the Drake May thing where you were like if you put Bo Nicks with where Drake May is, it sounds like you wouldn't like it as much as you like Drake May right now.
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Ryan Rosillo
No, no. And that, and that's the challenge of it. And I, I don't do that to disparage or take anything away from bo. I think Bo is Bo Gut hit the ground running. And I thought he would, I thought he would be, you know, closer to what he's going to be faster than any of these other guys. He just played, he's played 62 games in college. Like he was going to arrive kind of, you know, clear packaging, no assembly required, you know, put him out there and you're going to get the best of both Knicks, and I think you've gotten that. He's played really well.
- [41:21]
Daniel Jeremiah
I noticed Caleb wasn't mentioned yet.
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Ryan Rosillo
He's tough, man. I still, I still maintain my, my confidence that this is going to get figured out. It's, it's. Brian's all in there. Everybody can see it, the flashes. It's all in there. He's just, he's got to speed up, you know, he's just got to adjust. He's got to speed up. And he's just, he's, he's trying so hard not to make a mistake. And that's got to come with a new, A new coach, new quarterback coach, new offensive coordinator has got to liberate him and free him and say, I do not care if you throw 20 interceptions. That's not, that's, this is not who you are. Just sitting in there stuck holding the ball. It's not who you are.
- [42:02]
Daniel Jeremiah
I think that interception streak was a terrible development this year. It sounds really good, but that tells me he is scared to death and 1000%. Like, I like what I saw from him in games the beginning of the year where the stats were worse more than what I'm seeing now. And like, you could say the Detroit game, like, he got him back into it. But I, I said, look, we just saw college games with it. Nobody plays 11 intensity for 60 minutes, especially when you think the other team stinks. And so there's usually some yards in there late, some touchdown, touchdown or two, and, you know, the final box score looks like it's okay. The. Once that interception streak kept going and going and going, it was like, hey, this is. I'm like, I don't think this is actually a good thing.
- [42:52]
Ryan Rosillo
He referenced it the other day, which told me exactly what we're talking about. That. That was, that was in his head he was talking about. He was, it was a nice thing. He was trying, he was trying to relay the message that the offensive line, that it's not their fault, you know, with all these sacks. Like, some of those are on me. And then he made this comment, which. Something along the lines of, you know, like, receivers drop passes, you know, you're going to miss a block. You know, I've thrown six interceptions. Like, he, he mentioned, like, the number of interceptions. And I'm sitting here going like, that was so in his head of, like, that's a good game. You know, you didn't turn the ball over. That's a, you know, that's a good game. It's like, no, I, I need, I, I didn't draft you to be that guy.
- [43:30]
Daniel Jeremiah
No, no, not at all. Like, you're gonna have to take some chances there. But I think he, dude, it's all.
- [43:36]
Ryan Rosillo
In there though, don't you think? I mean, I just, yeah, I'm not.
- [43:39]
Daniel Jeremiah
I'm not sitting here being like, he's, it's bad. I just, I don't really understand the Bears. I think is more like in Bears fans are going, oh, no kidding. I was a Bears fan this season for like six or seven games. And after the Hail Mary against Washington, I just couldn't do it anymore emotionally. But I don't know why. Well, I do know why. Because you just hired a coach. I mean, the same thing may happen with Mayo where. And I would have a hard time like firing any, any, any of these coaches after just one season. I think it's like, so what are we doing? But, but Caleb was going to be stuck in like a weird transitional decision thing where what you should have done is just cleaned house and made sure everything was structured around him to benefit him. And this should have been the lump year. And the problem is like next year could be lump year two because it's going to be another new system and all this different stuff. But yeah, I'm, I didn't get done with the year going, oh my God, what a huge mistake. Or, or I'm wrong about him. I'm just, I mean, that's going to take a little longer. If anybody's ever listened to me before, I think they understand.
- [44:45]
Ryan Rosillo
It's weird to say this, is that this kind of juxtaposition of I'm, I'm confident it's all in there and I'm confident he's going to get there, but I'm also going to his paper. On paper, his numbers this year look better than where he than way actually played.
- [45:00]
Daniel Jeremiah
That's a good way of putting it. So you would have, you went on a redraft. You would have Drake ahead of Caleb.
- [45:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Just, I mean, I hate redrafts. It's the worst. You don't even have to. But, but I'm just saying, because it's just all out there. It's still all out there. I, I just say above, I had Drake as my second quarterback in the draft, so I love Drake coming into the process. So I, and look, I had Jaden as my third and through one year, Jaden clearly looks like the best quarterback in the bunch. So saying, but saying that I just, I, I, I love the way Drake competes. I love the way he plays. I, you know, I just think everything he does is what this league is looking for. And I think it's now the onus, like the onus on Caleb, you know, with the Bears, there's a lot of onus on Caleb. They need to get a better offensive line. Especially, you know, the tackle situation has not been good. But, but I feel like the. For them to move forward. Like the onus is way more on Caleb to raise his level, whereas I feel in New England, the onus is way more on what's around. Like they've got to give him some, some something, you know, that I, if he does what he's doing now, plays kind of like he's playing now, but with better personnel, they're gonna, you know, they're gonna turn around pretty quick.
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Daniel Jeremiah
So it sounds then I already can predict your answer. If you were. If Drake were being drafted this year, he would be the number one fit.
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Ryan Rosillo
Far and away. Far and away.
- [46:18]
Daniel Jeremiah
How would you have it if, if it were Drake May in the 25 class give me like Drake and then.
- [46:23]
Ryan Rosillo
The next four guys, I mean, it's, it's Drake. Cam Ward for me is the. I like him. It's the best quarterback in this draft. So the ones I've done, like on the homework, the most I've done him and Shador. So I've got to do a lot more on all the other guys in this, in this group. Now I'm not even. There's so much talk about, you know, is Drew Aller going to eventually enter into this mix? Is yours going to go on the portal? You know, I know Jackson Dart is, you know, is. Is in this draft who intrigues me a little bit, but it feels to me like it is. If you're going to tear it, I would say Drake, I think there's a significant drop off from Drake. I would put Ward. I think there's a little drop off from Ward down to Shador. And then I haven't done enough on the others to give you the, the order I would have them. But from what I've seen off the others, there's no middle class in quarterbacks in the draft anymore. There just isn't. Like everybody's. I, I might just pay attention in the draft season when you hear people say, you know what? That's a day two quarterback and be like, well, that's an endangered species because the day two quarterbacks get pushed into day one and there, there really isn't such a thing as that. Day two Quarterback.
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Daniel Jeremiah
If you want more from Daniel Jeremiah, you can check them out on NFL Network. And again, move the sticks, the podcast with Bucky Brooks and Rhett Lewis, man. Thanks. Enjoy the rest of what's still sort of a down week for everybody. This, this Wednesday, Wednesday holiday thing. Just.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's weird, huh?
- [47:47]
Daniel Jeremiah
A wrench into all of it. But thanks for doing this, man. Enjoy the games tonight.
- [47:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Thanks, buddy. See you, man. You want details?
- [47:58]
Kyle
Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
- [48:02]
Daniel Jeremiah
What's up?
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Ryan Rosillo
I have a ridiculous house in the south fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine.
- [48:09]
Kyle
And best of all, kids.
- [48:10]
Daniel Jeremiah
Kids, I am liquid.
- [48:12]
Kyle
So now you know what's possible.
- [48:14]
Daniel Jeremiah
Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. Happy new Year, everybody. The email address for all you need fixing life advice. Rrmail.com Kyle has a look on his face. He's like, is Ryan in a good mood or something? What's going on?
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Kyle
I just thought of the Keddie Powers fxens when you were saying for all who need fixes. Anyway.
- [48:34]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, yeah, Kenny Power's a good show. Great show. He's been it down technically, but whatever. All right, let's just get to it. Does anybody have anything? Anybody need to do anything?
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Ceruti
Yeah, real quick, couple follow ups. People think I don't bathe my child or care about my child. Like, can we just relax?
- [48:52]
Ryan Rosillo
Can we relax?
- [48:53]
Kyle
Every other.
- [48:53]
Ceruti
Like, oh, s. Doesn't want. Doesn't give a shit about a child. Doesn't want to brush her teeth.
- [48:57]
Ryan Rosillo
That's.
- [48:57]
Ceruti
It was a joke. It's a joke. It's just a joke.
- [48:59]
Kyle
Did people have a problem with your every other day bathing? I don't know. Do you even start stinking? Really? Until yeah, I had a couple people.
- [49:05]
Ceruti
Hit me up and be like, you know, people I don't know, obviously. And they're just like, dude, you don't give your kid a bath every day. First off, it's the middle of winter here.
- [49:12]
Kyle
Like the kids dry her out.
- [49:14]
Ceruti
The kid's skin is dry.
- [49:15]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
- [49:15]
Ceruti
Like we lotion lather like we're doing all right over here. Just relax. Everybody settle down.
- [49:21]
Ryan Rosillo
All right.
- [49:21]
Kyle
Glad we cleared that up.
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Ceruti
Don't need DCF call. Not me because I said because I made a joke on a podcast.
- [49:26]
Kyle
You're get swatted.
- [49:31]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. All right, cool. That's it. I didn't know about any of that. All right, here's the first Life Advice. Hello, Life Advice Coalition. 5, 11 1/4. I developed the habit of stating my height so precisely during my nearly 15 year stretch. Of being single. I realized when guys claim to be 6ft tall, girls often assume they're actually around 5, 10. However, if you're exact about it, they're more likely to believe you. Plus, it's a fun conversation starter. I think this guy's nailing it off the jump. That's a good opener. Hi, I'm five eleven and three quarters. And it'll be easier for me to look you in the eyes or something like that. Like, hi, I'm. I'm Dave. 5 11, 3/4, and I'm about honesty. Can I get you a drink? Yeah.
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Kyle
It kind of sounds like you're also desperate for that last quarter inch. It's almost like, you know when somebody's like, you know, I'm nine and three quarters, you're like, dude, I know you want to be 10, but just be 9 for a little bit.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I don't think this guy sounds desperate at all. I think he knows who he is and what he wants out of life.
- [50:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Ceruti
I also think that, you know, if you're talking to a girl and that's a deal breaker, like, you're not six feet, then you don't want. You want to deal with that anyway, so you're fine.
- [50:36]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
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Ceruti
Tell the truth, brother. I like it.
- [50:38]
Daniel Jeremiah
Tell the truth. All right. As for comps, I used to be able to dunk and once made eight three pointers in a high school game. Could tell this guy had game, but now I can barely touch the net. Oh, it'll probably go one for eight. Can't touch the net. Come on, dude, you can definitely touch the net. Five eleven and three quarters. Man. You can do anything.
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Ceruti
That's like a six inch vert, I feel like.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, yeah.
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Ceruti
It's not great.
- [51:03]
Daniel Jeremiah
I mean, net touching for, like, those of us that weren't pogo sticks. That's like seventh, eighth grade stuff, right?
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Kyle
Pretty attainable.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. Right. Kyle, see if you can touch the net this week.
- [51:13]
Kyle
I can touch the net. I can tell you right now.
- [51:15]
Ceruti
Yeah, I don't need to.
- [51:16]
Daniel Jeremiah
You can definitely touch the net.
- [51:17]
Ceruti
There's no doubt about it.
- [51:19]
Kyle
Yeah, I get three quarters of the net.
- [51:22]
Daniel Jeremiah
It's not. Yeah, I could. I could rip it a little and fuck it up.
- [51:26]
Ceruti
I would be embarrassed to say I could touch net. That's not even cool.
- [51:29]
Kyle
Like, could touch the top of my doorway too. I don't know. Yeah, do it for fun sometimes.
- [51:36]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, that would be an awesome, like. Hey, this is our buddy Dave. You can't touch net. I don't even. Yeah, I don't know who's not who can't. Grown man that can't touch a net don't even send us an email. We can't help you. All right, let's see here.
- [51:56]
Kyle
Yeah, what's this guy's other problem?
- [51:58]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I recently discovered. I recently discovered that one of my good friends say Brad and his girlfriend were hosting a party that my girlfriend and I were invited to. For context, I've known Brad for over five years. Uh, we've been in a. It's just a grumbling from Ceruti. It's just so good today. Uh, we've been friends for over five years. We've even been on a few trips together. Since he moved in with his girlfriend in a different part of town, we haven't interacted as much, but we still see each other in group settings a few times a year. Text about various things every few months. Went on a boys trip a year ago and I invited him to go fishing recently. It felt odd not to be invited, but I'm not the type to read too much into these situations. They had only met my new girlfriend a couple times and we had recently moved to a slightly further part of town, so I figured they just forgot. I found out about the party. When my close friend Trevor asked if we were going, I simply replied. Replied that we were not invited, but didn't make a big deal about it. Out of the blue, on the day of the party, Brad again, the host, texted me about something unrelated. We exchanged a few messages, but he didn't mention the party. I decided it was silly to assume he didn't want me there and asked him what he was doing that night. He responded that they were planning a chill night with one other couple. After I assumed my friend Trevor had been mistaken about it being a party and moved on. The situation took a turn the next day when my girlfriend heard from Trevor's girlfriend that it had definitely been a party with all of our closest friends. Not only that, but Blair, Brad told my friends that he had invited me when he definitely had not.
- [53:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, man.
- [53:40]
Kyle
Whoa, man.
- [53:43]
Ceruti
I think I know what that the.
- [53:44]
Daniel Jeremiah
Day of text is sinister too. Hey man, what are you doing today? Find out about my secret party. Oh, we're in the clear, Ted.
- [53:53]
Ceruti
Just checking in.
- [53:54]
Daniel Jeremiah
Wow. Okay, so he has a theory. The story develops with a picture. This was obviously strange and I racked my brain for anything I could have done to deserve this snub, but came up empty handed. My initial thought was that maybe Brad's girlfriend felt threatened by my girlfriend. My girlfriend is attractive and younger than most of my friends girlfriends, but she's so sweet that it's never been an issue. So I initially dismissed this theory. However, while discussing it with my girlfriend, I remembered that Brad had followed her on Instagram and liked a post of her in a swimsuit soon after meeting her the first time. His girlfriend wasn't there for the initial meeting, but shortly after, Brad's girlfriend met my girlfriend and followed my girlfriend on Instagram, which made me realize she must have looked at her profile, which is normal after following someone and seen her boyfriend that he has a like on my girlfriend's photo.
- [54:50]
Ceruti
Tough scene.
- [54:51]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, the photo wasn't provocative, but it's still a swimsuit. See attached. She is very attractive. Congrats. And it's a great. It's a great photo. I don't know if you guys are in the EDM scene or what's going on with the hairstyle. It all works. Congrats to you, dude.
- [55:10]
Ceruti
He's the real winner here.
- [55:12]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, right? Do we need to read the rest of the email? Like who gives a shit anyway? So we also realized that he had now unliked the photo. Yeah, we're now confident that his girlfriend saw he liked the photo, they argued about it, and that's why we weren't invited. And now it makes more sense why he even went so far as to randomly text me on the day of the party so he could claim he texted me to my other friends. Obviously, Brad couldn't admit to my friends that he couldn't invite me because he got in trouble for liking my girlfriend's photo. My girlfriend and I have been laughing about the whole situation, but it's also kind of sad. I've always valued Brad as one of my more level headed friends with similar interests and ambitions. It really sucks to think we missed out on a fun event with all of her friends over something so silly. To be clear, I'm not mad but would like things to return to normal. I could call him out for lying, but it doesn't seem likely he would admit it was over an Instagram post. I don't think any. No guy could be like, yep, that's what it was. Yeah, I. He will lie about that. I mean, he just lied about that.
- [56:09]
Kyle
Photo of your girlfriend, man. Sorry.
- [56:11]
Daniel Jeremiah
It would be hilarious. You'd be like, hey, is this what happened? He goes, that's exactly what happened. Glad you see.
- [56:16]
Ceruti
I actually think there's a reasonable. I don't know, I think I have buddies that. That would cop to that. If you really call them out directly on it. Like, hey man, I'm not mad. Like, I'm not mad about the party. I found out about it. I think this is why. Again, not mad. Like we both laughed about it, but like, I still want to be your friend, man. And like, if we could put this behind us, like, this isn't going to be a huge deal going forward. But I like, you know, just admit that this is what it was. I think I have buddies that would admit to that.
- [56:42]
Daniel Jeremiah
Strong group of buddies. Before we get to more of this, let me just finish everything because it's. It's. It's a great email. It's got a good picture. It really sucks. We missed out a fun event. Not mad. I honestly have no guess what he would say because this is so out of character for him. I could let it go and see if it resolves itself. But the like was already over six months ago. We told Trevor's girlfriend about the situation and she agreed that was probably the reason and offered to do some digging. Oh, what?
- [57:12]
Ceruti
Some recon.
- [57:13]
Daniel Jeremiah
But even if we find out that is the reason, then what? I'm mostly frustrated this is affecting a solid relationship. We don't hang out a ton, but I work a lot, so I value the few, the few friendships I do have. Hey, man, I know what you're talking about there. So look, wait, that was that last piece though. The Trevor told Trevor's girlfriend about the situation and she agreed that was probably the reason and offer. So wait, the girlfriend's actually on your side and is aware, so he's going to find out about.
- [57:41]
Kyle
No, no, Trevor is the other. His mutual friend. So not the guy who's partying stiff from. That's the guy who did the classic mistake. Are you going to the party that you were invited to?
- [57:51]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I was mixing up my Trevor and Brad's again. Yeah, my bad. Happens, man. Yeah, right, right. All right, well, I think the thing that would bother me the most is not the invite, but don't go telling my fucking friends, our friends, that you invited me and I just didn't show up because then, like I'm gonna find out about that. So even if it has nothing to do with the girlfriend and the picture thing and how stupid it is, and that's probably exactly what it is. Especially if all the other girlfriends are older and don't look like your girlfriend, which I'm imagining they don't. So you could just go simple win. It seems like you also have this great power that I've been thinking about more and more as you get older, developing the superpower of. It's not the subtle art of not giving a thing. It's just not being. Being bothered by. And I never read the book. It just, you know, maybe it worked for other people, but there's something that happens. You, as older as, you're more like, content with who you are, where it's an unbelievable power to just go, I don't care about this. I don't care. You lied about the party. You didn't invite me. It is a bummer. I'd prefer to gone to a party and had something to do with all my friends, but I'm not going to let your bum me out for a couple days because you're the messed up one here. So I actually don't. Like I'm going to talk to you about it. I write a show email about it, but I don't get the sense that this guy's actually messed up by any of this at all. I think he's. This guy's. I mean, it's five eleven and three quarter. This guy's killing it. And maybe it's because I have the picture and you guys don't, but the point is, is I would.
- [59:26]
Ryan Rosillo
I would.
- [59:26]
Daniel Jeremiah
I would hammer him on that one a little bit more. Right. So it's not the investigative, like, how did we get here? But I think you want to talk to him about it. I would want to. You want him to still be your friend. It sounds like this can all. All these things can still happen, but I would. I would, in a very stern tone, be like, if you're going to do something like that, don't lie about inviting me. So then my friends, because it all came back to me anyway. And you seem to be okay with all of these moving parts, knowing that I was likely going to find out about all of this, and if that's who you're going to be, then just let me know because I'm out.
- [60:02]
Kyle
Yeah, that part feels like the only betrayal. I think advanced analytics would suggest don't bring up your theory on the Instagram photo. And it's like, I think you have a worse chance of getting the outcome you want by going that route. But to say that. Listen, I know that you. I know that you said that you texted me, and I know you didn't. Our friends just talk.
- [60:24]
Daniel Jeremiah
Sorry.
- [60:25]
Kyle
Like, I didn't. I wasn't doing an investigation. It just. It came, it fell on my lap. And I know, I know that part. So I just want to know what's up with that? Maybe that's a one on one situation where you, you, you know, because it sounds like maybe it might just be hard. Like I mean the, the way that you could figure out if this is true or not is like try to do a couple's thing and if, and if that doesn't work out, you know, like not just a party but like asking is it Brad? Or asking Brad if he wants to go out with his girlfriend or something, that's, that's the way you'll know. If there's a reason that that can't happen then you'll know that's what it is. But I wouldn't like come up to him with your theory. I think the thing you know for sure is that he lied about inviting you to this thing. And that's something that you could totally, you could totally, you know, one on one massage, massage that. But I definitely wouldn't do this whole theory about like, dude, is your girlfriend really jealous of mine?
- [61:10]
Daniel Jeremiah
Like that's just not going to work.
- [61:11]
Kyle
No one's going to be truthful in that situation.
- [61:14]
Ceruti
I don't know, I feel, I guess I just feel like it's more cut and dry than you guys do. That has to be it. Like the other girlfriend kind of confirmed it and it is such a dude move to just like do have this half assed plan where you're gonna not tell. We're gonna text your buddy but not invite him to the party so that you think you've covered all your bases but it's actually a terrible idea. I think you just, I again I think you just have to confront him and say hey man, this is actually kind of funny. I'm not mad about this but like if this is the reason, like I'm not. You're not ruining my friend's social circles because you're horny or you're, you know, you're, because you're fuck up. You know, like this. These are my friends too. We can get over this. But come on, dude, I think, I think you just have to make it light hearted and joke it with him and then I think, I think he'll be honest with you about it.
- [61:54]
Daniel Jeremiah
I don't think he will be. I mean he was already pretty deceitful. He texted him day he got back.
- [61:58]
Ceruti
Into a corner though. But he got back. I feel like maybe she was like, you can't invite him. Like, you know, don't invite that couple. Like I don't know, maybe he needs to have a little bit more of a backbone I just maybe got back into a corner and made this thing last second. I was like, all right, here's the perfect plan of how I can just like get around this for one holiday. But he's going to have to address this at another, as Kyle said. Invite him out somewhere. He's going to have to address this at some other point in the future. So it's going to. It's come out. It's going to come out.
- [62:20]
Kyle
My point was address the thing where you caught him red handed. I know for a fact that you lied about inviting me. Like, well, that's just. That's weird in our. I would think you would know our groups a little tighter than this. That, like, shit gets back. Not the theory of, like, dude, you're so horny that you had to like my. You know, whatever. Like, I just.
- [62:37]
Ceruti
Maybe it was an accident. It was an accident.
- [62:39]
Kyle
That's when maybe the claws come out and it's like, you're not going to get to the bottom of this. And this whole thing was a wash. That's why I think if you just, if you just went to the part, you know, that's like. Actually, I think a dude would admit, yeah, that was shitty.
- [62:48]
Daniel Jeremiah
I'm sorry.
- [62:49]
Kyle
Instead of, you know, I think I know what's really going on here. Like, I think that might, that might just put the kibosh in the whole thing.
- [62:55]
Ceruti
Maybe Trevor, I mean, would Trevor get involved and be like, this is the. This is the running theory, man. This is what they think. So that way you're not directly.
- [63:03]
Kyle
We all think.
- [63:06]
Daniel Jeremiah
I don't like the Trevor part of it. I don't like the Trevor girlfriend part of it. I think it's harder for you to control the message here. Now Trevor's girlfriend's gonna get involved in all sor. Of theories. I know.
- [63:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [63:17]
Kyle
Can you trust Trevor's girlfriend to keep her mouth shut? Not sure.
- [63:20]
Ceruti
Yeah. This is Priscilla PR at its finest right here.
- [63:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Yeah.
- [63:24]
Daniel Jeremiah
I think what you focus on here the most, because I understand what you're saying, sir, and how funny it would be if you went to your boy who's like one of your guys, like, is this what happened? And he goes, yep, that's 100%. That's hilarious.
- [63:35]
Kyle
High five.
- [63:36]
Daniel Jeremiah
But he's. Brad isn't going to be that way. He's a deceitful person. He texted you day of to one, cover his bases to say that he texted you, but then to also feel you out to see if you knew about the party and if you were going to Ask him directly. So therefore he felt better about having the party because he thought your dumb ass was sitting at home with your super hot younger girlfriend just going like, whatever, it doesn't matter. And I. The fact that he has that in him to do to you, it doesn't. It doesn't really have anything to do or, you know What? Fire off 70 likes in a row on his girlfriend's page. That's always. That's always a good move. Just. Just blitzkrieg it.
- [64:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [64:19]
Kyle
We're going back to 2015, right?
- [64:23]
Daniel Jeremiah
Okay. All right, let's do a simpler one here. Golf simulator drama. Hey, guys, big fan of the show. So my buddy, let's call him A.K. andre Karolenko. You're friends with him. That's awesome. Took out a home equity loan to build a sick backyard garage with a golf simulator. Yes. Gonna have to. Yes.
- [64:41]
Kyle
Wish I had one friend that would do shit like that.
- [64:43]
Daniel Jeremiah
That'd be awesome.
- [64:44]
Ceruti
I thought about. I thought because they sell one at Costco and I was talking to my buddies about this, I'm like, we split this, like five ways. Put it at my house. Like, you guys come over whenever you want, dude.
- [64:54]
Kyle
I saw, like, an old man, like, get this for Christmas from his wife, and it was like the nicest video ever. It was. I watched all two minutes of it. So great.
- [65:01]
Daniel Jeremiah
You know, it'd be nice. Like, nicer than getting it as an old man. Getting it as a young man.
- [65:07]
Kyle
I know. I'm aware.
- [65:08]
Daniel Jeremiah
In your backyard, could have Josh Brown on Be like, okay, we got a guy here, says he wants to take out a $20,000 home equity loan.
- [65:15]
Kyle
He's calling it an investment in the future.
- [65:17]
Daniel Jeremiah
Right.
- [65:18]
Ceruti
And it's an investment institution, but also his friends. Also investment friendship. Yeah.
- [65:21]
Daniel Jeremiah
So, Rudy, for me to do that, if I were one of your friends, you'd be like, you're putting it at my house. I'd be like, okay, but when you list this house on Zillow in five years, you can't say that it includes a golf simulator.
- [65:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [65:32]
Kyle
Do you think about that? What's going to do to your taxes? Come on.
- [65:35]
Ceruti
I would agree.
- [65:36]
Kyle
What's the value now?
- [65:37]
Ceruti
He was like, I think it was like 15 grand. How much was it? Oh, 10 grand, maybe 10 grand.
- [65:42]
Daniel Jeremiah
Anyway, email. Oh, player. Oh, six, five, three. Fifteen. Player comp. 2007. Chris Kamen. Big dude.
- [65:50]
Kyle
That guy's not dealing in quarter inches at all.
- [65:52]
Daniel Jeremiah
No. And that's why he's friends with Karolenko. It actually makes sense now. They're both big, bigger Dudes, every Friday night, our group goes over to play, drink beers, watch hoops, hang out. It's great. Over holiday break, my buddy Parker and I texted AK to see if we could swing by one morning to hit some balls. He said, quote, sure, but Venmo me $20 each for heat, electricity, and wear and tear. Hmm. Now I get it. It's his house, his rules. But come on, we already paid $50 each. $50 each for the Friday night league? I'm pretty sure AK clears at least 300 every winner in those dues. I thought asking for more cash on top of that was kind of a dick move. So I texted back saying it was crazy. That kicked off a back and forth. AK dropped the price to $10 like he was cutting us a deal. Then I implied I couldn't afford or then implied I couldn't afford. Dude, italics $20 and completely missing the point. His argument, it's still cheaper than going into the city and using a professional simulator, which, yeah, technically true, but also not the point. So what's the play here? Am I the for thinking this is over the line? Do we just cough up to $20 or the discounted $10 and move on? Or is this one of those hill to die on moments?
- [67:04]
Kyle
I think maybe he's like, you're just maybe a little bit more respectful like that. You're still going into this guy's house. Maybe you're just. Maybe you just think. Think a little bit more carefully about it. And he's just like, all right, we're. There's a transaction here. It's not just like, I got the hookup. We'll go to my buddy's place of, you know, his domicile where he lives. Just like, while he's gone, Like, I don't know. I think maybe it just. Maybe it just makes you think about it a little more respectfully. I don't know. It sounds like he's going the other way and thinking, like, how could he do this to me? But, you know, just, like, using. People get a little comfortable. Maybe this is the way of making sure people don't get too comfortable just going to his house because he did this thing that he paid for it, right? Took out a loan and paying interest on all that. Maybe he just wants people to feel a little bit less comfortable than, you know, when he's away. I don't know.
- [67:46]
Ceruti
Maybe he's the one that's uncomfortable with the finances and that's why he's like, man, can I have.
- [67:50]
Kyle
Did I.
- [67:51]
Ceruti
Did I get A little ahead of my skis on this thing, and I need to recoup some of the cash fast. I, I think what you do is if your other buddies are kind of in on this, I think you just kind of make fun of it but still pay. And that way, like, the message gets across, but it doesn't feel like you're being cheap. You know, you're just kind of giving them a hard time for it. And that way, like, I don't know, maybe he kind of gets the message of, like, am I being a little bit too much of an by asking my friends for an additional $20 every time they come over to use this thing?
- [68:15]
Kyle
20. I mean, seems a lot better than 20 to me, but still getting an.
- [68:19]
Ceruti
Electric, like, come on. Like, that's a little, that seems a.
- [68:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Little, a little bit.
- [68:22]
Daniel Jeremiah
I, I, I don't know whose side to take. Yeah, you're right. Because I think Kyle nails in the beginning with there needs to be some sort of boundary that prevents because there's likely one guy in the group. We'll just be like, oh, I'll just go over to AKS again and hit balls. And it's like, right. That's not really. This isn't a business.
- [68:39]
Ceruti
First birthday party. Yeah.
- [68:40]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
- [68:40]
Ceruti
What are we doing?
- [68:42]
Daniel Jeremiah
You know, romantic dinner, some Chilean sea bass, a Nice. Speaking of Chile. Nice, Sav.
- [68:50]
Ceruti
Nice.
- [68:51]
Daniel Jeremiah
You get Doug out there. Just. Doug's just going like, God damn it in the background, trying to fix the hook.
- [69:00]
Ceruti
Yep.
- [69:01]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. So I think what Kyle is saying is there needs to be something that exists. Some. It's not even a mental barrier. But there has to be some transactional point where this is not just a free for all for all you guys come up. But to s point, I'm totally with you, too. I don't like the verbiage, wear and tear. What is this, a rental car? Like, it's cheaper than going into the city. So what are you telling me, that your rates are just better? Like, this is, you know, I'm swearing a lot today. I don't know why. Anyway, I would just pay the $10 because it is still a decent deal. While you understand that he just clearly is not comfortable with everybody just coming over hitting balls for free all the time. Because it may not be you, the emailer, but it could be somebody from the friend group that, you know, that kind of like, hey, hit me up if you need anything that nobody ever expects to take you up on, and then the person that takes you up on it, and then you're just like, oh, okay, this is brutal.
- [70:05]
Kyle
It's kind of like pools, right? In the summer. Like, I think I've done this before, but both my parents have pools. And it's just people will start coming out of the woodwork. And you don't charge people money for pools. I think maybe that's a bridge too far. But you can just see when people get too comfortable and like, oh, can my cousin. It's like, who the fuck's your cousin? And then your cousin's girlfriend, it's like, oh, yeah, and her kid. And it's just before you know it, you know, there's people there. Nobody brought anything. You know, half of them don't have towels.
- [70:27]
Daniel Jeremiah
It just.
- [70:28]
Kyle
It can get out of control. And you know, most people respect the pool boundaries, but some people are like, how many people can I bring here before you tell me something? So, um, I just think it's the same sentiment. It's definitely not the same, you know, process here, but I think it's the same sentiment where people can just get a little too comfortable. You have this cool thing and if they could just work their way into it, they feel like they gotta win. So I don't know.
- [70:47]
Ceruti
Cause I have to say I'm pretty jealous. Like being able to go to a buddy's house and hang out with your. With your guys every Friday hit like, that's, that's so. That's. That's like living the dream, man. But I don't know that it feels like he's a little too power hungry. He. I think it's one. One of two things. He's a little too power hungry. Or maybe the money is a little tight and he's just kind of like a little nervous about the investment. I don't know.
- [71:07]
Kyle
Yeah, pay it with a couple of well placed jokes. I think we blended that perfectly here.
- [71:13]
Daniel Jeremiah
Okay, maybe a good name for us. What's that?
- [71:17]
Kyle
Maybe a good nickname. I don't know. The landlord. How did he call something funny?
- [71:24]
Ceruti
Start joking. You're gonna call the Better Business Bureau on them.
- [71:27]
Kyle
There you go. Yeah, these are good. They're not deep cuts, but they're. Yeah, that's good.
- [71:32]
Daniel Jeremiah
Sorry.
- [71:34]
Kyle
You can end the show now.
- [71:38]
Daniel Jeremiah
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