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Part 2: Todd McShay on Shedeur and Cam's Landing Spots, WR and RB Debates, NFL Combine Takeaways, Plus Life Advice!
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Ryan Rosillo
Foreign Todd McShay, fresh off a trip to Indianapolis for the combine. The most impressive player of the week. We're going to get into some of the buzz that he's hearing from teams. Deep dives into the receiver, running back, tight end class. Also, what is going on with Shadorsi Sanders at the top end? Life advice. This episode is brought to you by the Wells Fargo Active Cash Credit Card. This is an ad for the active cash credit card from Wells Fargo. That's a mouthful, but that's because it packs a lot in. Earn unlimited 2% cash rewards on purchases with it, big or small. So whether it's buying tickets to the game with your mom or grabbing a coffee with your dog, earn unlimited 2% cash rewards on purchases made with it. Say it with me. The active cash credit card from Wells Fargo. Learn more@wells Fargo.com ActiveCash terms apply. He's fresh off the combine. He's a good friend of the show, the host of the McShay Show. I hope you subscribe to check out all of his draft coverage. It is Todd McShay. What's up, man? Good to see you.
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Todd McShay
How are we doing, Ryan?
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm good, man. The content was great. You guys are putting out awesome, awesome stuff. Really impress. Yeah. So let's just kind of start. You were there. It's, it's kind of a home base for you this time of year. Let's just run through the top headlines and we'll get into some of the minutia later on. What's the biggest thing?
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Todd McShay
I would say the, the biggest thing probably was Nick Iman Warri's workout safety from South Carolina. I mean, obviously we can get into the quarterbacks, we can get into all the buzz, we can get into wide receivers. The running back class is as good as advertised. But there's only a few times that you can like legitimately say a human being shouldn't be able to do this. And Eamon Worry was one of, was like one of those type, I think back to like Calvin Johnson, right. DK Metcalf. Metcalf. Just look at him pulling up the numbers. Not right now. He is a massive safety, right. Six, three, 220 pounds. No one has ever done what he's done before with the, the, the vertical jump that he was able to put or the, sorry, the broad job of 116 at 220 pounds to run as fast as Eman worry did at 4, 3, 8. I just think, you know, he's a player that was always kind of in that late first Round discussion. I think the way the NFL is now with, you know, looking for long safeties, chess pieces, guys that can cover. We've seen what, what Hamilton's done in, in, in Baltimore, just that versatility as an athlete. He, he, for me, he stole the show. You just don't see guys like that move and, and jump and, and participate in the way he, he did.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. And I would say, you know, because I think people are always a little like, ooh, somebody lit it up at the combine, like, what are you guys going to learn? And I usually argue like, okay, but for the failures. There's also guys that put on a show there and it. The boosted draft profile and all that stuff. But anybody that watched South Carolina this year, I would say the game tape has to back it all up too. Like, this is an added. The physical part of this, the testing part of it is just another bonus on top of a dude that was a game wrecking safety. Like, I loved watching South Carolina this year. You and I talked about it all season long, but there's just. All these times you'd be like, there's seven again. So I, I imagine that this is, this isn't out of nowhere because he looked like he made a big impact on Saturdays anyway.
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Todd McShay
Yeah. And there was a discussion, right. Like, Malachi Starks coming into the year was like everyone was kind of mocking him or ranking him somewhere in the top 10. 12 players from Georgia didn't have the best year. I, you know, they made some mistakes kind of playing hero ball at times, but still a phenomenal player. So I think the question was coming into this, is one going to separate from the other. And we knew him in worry was going to, going to have a good workout. And they're not like identical players, but they're both versatile players that can play the run, can line up in different spots, can play in. Some man can play in zone. And if you're looking for a differentiator, we just got it right. I mean, you wake up that morning, what was it, Thursday, Thursday or Friday, and your starts, you're like, all right, let's go out there and show the world what I got. And he doesn't have a, I mean, he's six one, almost 200 pounds, runs a four, five, pretty, you know, above average for a safety. And then you look across and you're like this guy even worried. You know, he's, he's like four inches taller, 23 pounds heavier. My four, five stacked against his, his four three, eight. You know, it's just like, it's not a fair fight. And I think when teams are looking for traits and looking for. For a player that can do different things and can make you multiple on the defensive side, even worry, I mean, he just. I don't know that any player truly helped themselves more than he did.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, let's talk about.
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Todd McShay
I'm always curious. You always. I kind of lean on you because I get stuck in the mud and I'm in the thick of it. Right. Like, and I'm talking to all these people and I've got all these interviews and the information I'm getting running through my head, and I've got preconceived. Not. Like, as a viewer, what was your. What was your biggest takeaway? Were there a couple things that stood out to you?
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, I. I think it's more about strategy at the top and how cute you can get because of the overwhelming depth on, say, like, defensive line or tight end.
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Todd McShay
Right.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, if you're sitting there and you love Tyler Warren, do you go, all right, again, in the tape is again, another guy. I mean, you want to talk about, like, watching his Saturdays and realizing, like, it'd be shocking to me if Tyler Warren isn't a big impact player in the NFL, especially with teams being creative offensively and. And using him in the multitude of ways that Penn State used him this year. Okay, but. So you want a tight end. You think he's a game changer, but then you look at the tight end class and you go, can we get cute here? Can we take a corner? Can we take another position of need where there's not nearly as much depth, where we want to get cute and get a tight end later on. We want to get Ferguson, we want to get Mason Taylor because we just think that there's certain. It feels like there's positions here that are stacked, whether it's D line, maybe edge, more importantly here. And running back. Yeah, and running back. But, I mean, that's. That's a whole other philosophy that I think is worth getting into here a little bit, that the more you started learning about the true depth and how you've graded it out, looking at some of the stuff that Daniel Jeremiah has done, or I wonder if teams will be passing on a player they like better, but because of positional depth, figuring we can still get somebody really nice at the position in the second round. So we're going to take somebody from a class that's thinner.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, I hear you. And I'm like, I always view it from the lens of combo Picks when you're drafting in the first round, you've got to take into consideration and NFL GMs I talked to do this as well. If I go this position here, if I have similar grades on this, let's say tight end versus if you're in love with a wide receiver or an offensive tackle. Offensive tackle is the perfect example. While I love Tyler Warren or I love Colston Loveland, right. This tackle group's gonna run. It's, it's gonna dry out fast, right? So, so if I go with the offensive tackle, Kelvin Banks or a Josh Simmons, right in the first round, I know I'm not going to get, I don't feel great about getting a starter a guy can plug and play in the second round. Second round for the tight ends, I got Mason Taylor from lsu. I've got Arroyo from, from Miami. I've got, I've got Fan and Junior from Bowling Bowling Green in the probably the late second, third round. So like there are other guys and I think absolutely, that's, that's, that's, that's part of the process for general managers now. The thing that was frustrating this year is we've got these deep classes with all this talent. It was like the first couple days of the combine were a bust for me and I was, I was worried like, is this the new trend? Is anyone going to work out? We didn't like the interior defensive line 18 out of 40. Ryan 18 of 40 ran. I mean that's, and this is one of the deepest classes ever at interior defensive line. The edge, the top edge guys didn't work out. A lot of them, not all of them, but several of those guys, the tight ends. I just listed all those names, right? Warren doesn't work out. Loveland has the, the, the shoulder. So obviously excused. Mason Taylor didn't work out. Arroyo didn't work out. So like now we're down to like the third tier of tight ends working out with Fannin and Ferguson from, from Oregon, Terrence Ferguson. So it was, it was frustrating. To be honest. The first couple of days was really frustrating watching how, how few of the top tier guys worked out. But then we got to the to Saturday and it was awesome. I mean like the, the running backs were, you got to remember this is the best group clearly since 2017 and May wind up going down as one of the top, if not the top running back classes to ever come out in the draft talent wise. And then they all showed up outside of Ashton Jinty, the vast majority of everyone did at least something and most of everything, when you got guys like Trayvon Henderson putting up big numbers, Quinshot Judkins putting up better all around workout numbers than even Henderson, who's the explosive athlete you've got, You've got Omarion Hampton, who by the way, I talked to people in the league or like it's a debate in our room between Ashton Jinty and Hampton. So Hampton taking advantage of the fact that Jinty's not working out. I mean, all of these guys, it felt like worked out. And the vast majority were, were like borderline, like blowing your mind with some of the number. You know, this group is the fastest in the history of the combine at the running back position. They average 4, 48 in the 40. It's just, it was, it was amazing, an amazing sight to see because we've.
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Ryan Rosillo
And look, I understood the running back shift away from it. To me it made sense. And I know things are going to become cyclical here a little bit, but are you hearing from teams, you know, whether it was some of the stuff that we saw where just teams are determined, like you're just not throwing it over the top and you figure the counter to that is would we ever see a shift towards teams saying, you know what then if this is how you're going to keep playing, we're just going to line up and run block and we're going to start investing in this. Like, we're going to try to show a little bit more balance. I mean, I guess I have a hard time believing with the offensive minds that we have in this league that they're going to, I would say, pass on opportunities to pass as much as they have. I don't know that the league would go away from that. But does that then lead to a priority on drafting running back sooner than we've seen? I mean, is that even a possibility?
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Todd McShay
I think it's a couple things. And I've said this for over a decade now at running back. Like, I think sometimes when it's just not a good running back class, we love to just dive right back into that conversation. Like the NFL doesn't put value on running back, right? And so part of it is just talent. Like in 2017, it was the thick of it, like moving away from running backs. The league is a more pass friendly. But there were, I think, was it 26, 28 guys drafted that year, starting with Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey. You go back and look at that class, it's phenomenal. And so when the talent's there, they're going to be taken. But all. There were like eight or nine standout running backs in the NFL, like, guys that made huge impacts that came from that class. Only two of them went in the first round. So there's always a premium that you place on premium picks at premium positions. Okay. You always, you're always going to say, well, quarterback, pass rusher, left tackle, right? Those are always going to be the. And then cornerback right behind it. So. So it's going to lead to running backs getting pushed back. But if the talent's there, you get in the second, third, fourth round, they're going to start flying off the board, and that's what's going to happen this year. I do think this. Remember the old cut you used to mess around with Kuiper about the quote he had that the league should ban cover two? I mean, just the absurdity of it. But the point was not to defend my guy, Mel. The point was I'm watching tape now and everyone's running a version of COVID two. And it's. The percentages have increased, and so when you have two safeties back, it makes it very difficult to take deep shots. So what's, what's the counter to that? The counter is you get some creases. Now in the run game, you don't have boxes that are as loaded up with defenders, and so we better get a talented guy. Remember how much heat Brad Holmes took for drafting Jameer Gibbs and also a linebacker with those, those early picks that he had? And look at what that's done. Look at what that pick for Jameer Gibbs has done for that offense. Right? And so I think people are seeing that and they're like, oh, I have a clear vision of what Troy Beyond Henderson can be, and they're looking in the league and they're like, they're in cover two all the time, man. We got to be able to counter with something. We need a weapon at running back. And now all of a sudden we get Ashton Jinty, Omarion Hampton from unc, the two Ohio State running backs, Henderson Judkins. In this class, we've got Caleb Johnson from. From Iowa, was the only guy who may be in the top 10 running backs that had kind of a disappointing 40 time, but still just love his tape. We've, like, the list go like, we've got Bish Tutin, who had like a legendary workout. DJ Giddens, you know, from Virginia Tech and Kansas State, respectively, the last two guys. So there's just, there's a lot of good talent. And I, I Do think we're going to see it? I know we're going to see two running backs taken this year in the first round. It's going to be absolutely genty in Hampton maybe that flip flops but my guess is it will be Genti first and Hampton second, maybe a third and Treveon Henderson sneaks in there. But, but I think like Fanduel is going to set it too is my guess. Or two and a half and then, but after that, when we get in like that, that early mid second round range, you're going to start to see backs come off the board a lot in that second, third and even fourth round.
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Ryan Rosillo
I love that you brought up Jameer Gibbs because he's exactly who I was thinking about. Because you're right. Go back to the 23 draft when Detroit takes him a 12th and, and look, he was a stud. He was a stud at Georgia Tech. He felt like you could do all these different things with him. When I think about a running back in today's game, you know, being a difference maker, you know, sometimes I just still think like I don't know that it's ever going to be the way that it used to be where you could just build a team around that. First because the running back had all this game breaking ability because I just think the defenders are so fast now that I don't know that that stuff is there. Like I don't know if the real estate is as available to a running back the way it was for all the decades that we GRE watching this sport. But Gibbs is certainly in that class of guys like you give him some space like he can, he can flip the field for you. So when I think about Gibbs and being this pick and, and look on top of everything else, it wasn't like they were only handing it off to him like they were. They were kind of using him strategically when Montgomery is healthy. So it, it wasn't like, hey, we're just going to give it to Gibbs 25 times and that's going to provide the value that you know of the resource that they put in taking them that high. But like in a vacuum, is Gibbs more valuable to a football team than Christian Gonzalez? Is he more valuable than Skronsky, a tackle who's taking a spot ahead of him?
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Todd McShay
If you have the other parts, then the answer is yes. They've got penny se right when healthy, they've got a pretty good defense. They have to be explosive offensively and they've got to be able to counter. They've got to be able to run play action, you've got, I mean, that's what Jared Goff feeds off of, right? Play action working the middle of the field. That, that's what makes him great. And so if play action is critical, you better have not just one, but two backs. That, that put fear in those linebackers and safeties. You got to respect that. Right? So it's not, I wouldn't say every, every organization's the same, but I think for them specifically, they recognize that's where I give Brad Holmes a lot of credit and his staff in Detroit, they recognized that we need this in order to take it to another level. We need speed on the outside. They brought in Jameson Williams, right. They, they need speed at running back. If this is all going to work. This, these are the two parts we need. And so they spent the, the resources on it. And, and Gibbs theoretically is just a rotation back technically. Right. And, and Jameson was, was, you know, missed, had the suspensions and all the time, but when he's on the field, that offense is different. And so they were willing to take that risk. They knew coming into his rookie year he wasn't going to play a whole lot, but they knew, like, looking in the future, if we're going to take it to another level, we need difference makers here. And in order to make this whole thing click.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, so let's talk about the, the headlines with the quarterback part of this, because I know you talked about Shador and now it's, you know, there always seems to be like one quarterback every year that everybody gets pissed off about once it becomes known that he rubs some people the wrong way. I don't know. I mean, is, is this a thing or is it the opinion of a couple teams that are just, I don't know, not great, great sources on this.
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Todd McShay
They're great sources on it because they were in the room. But I, I'm glad you said the, the phrase like pissed off or pissed people off didn't piss anyone off. I, I think, you know, just like hearing some of the backlash and all that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, I think it's more about the reaction. I, I think it becomes a, it plays out where it's like, oh, here we go again. Everybody's destroying this one guy's character every year.
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Todd McShay
That's the thing. And it's a perfect opportunity to explain it. I think people need to understand. My conversations were it was not with a disgruntled, you know, NFL executive and who crusty old guy. It was pissed off because he didn't treat him, with respect, wasn't the case at all. Like, the NFL's kind of swept that guard out of the league. If you're an executive today, you've kind of, you've got to be hip with like what's going on, right? You've got to understand the players. I think you have a great, under a great appreciation for it in the NBA. Like, I don't know if there's a league in American sports that has more player empowerment than the NBA. And we're seeing that continue to rise in the NFL. And executives are like, coaches are changing their style of change. Like the executives are changing. They understand the nil. They understand this, this, you know, wave of player coming in. No one, no one I talked to is pissed off. They weren't mad. They weren't like we were disrespected. How could he? How could he. It wasn't that.
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Ryan Rosillo
What was it then? What was it? What led to this?
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Todd McShay
It was just having conversations. Like one guy, I'm talking about Tyler Shuck and how impressed I was with an interview I did with him. It was like, yeah, it was interesting. Like Shador. It didn't, didn't feel like he cared all that much about what we thought of them. You know, it was, it was different. But you got to also understand like they've been through, like these guys have been through a lot. You're not sitting in that room of the top key executives that are going to be part of the decision making process on a first round pick, first round quarterback, if you haven't been through a lot of wars, right? There's not like 28 year old kids in there. They've seen it all, man. I can think about all the reports you've gotten like years later from players that we worked with at ESPN or like they weren't picking me. I didn't care. So it wasn't, There was no, like, there was no confrontation.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you think that's part of it then strategically, like if there was somebody he was meeting with that he actually didn't want to go to them, I.
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Todd McShay
Don'T think anyone should be surprised. And the people I talked to weren't overly surprised. They weren't offended. They weren't. It was just like, yeah, like that one was different. It was interesting because he clearly, like, it just like wasn't. Because you got to remember too, they're sitting there and they're stacking these things. It's like speed dating, right? It's like one guy after another after another. And 98, 99% of the people who come in this room, the players, they're like, yes, sir. You know, like, intense. This is the biggest job interview of their lives. And so they care what the people in that room think of them. And they've worked really hard with, like, PR coaches and how to present them, their story and present themselves well. And so when one guy comes in and it's really different than all the other ones, it's not. I mean, I don't, I. Nothing about it was contentious. Nothing about it was disrespectful. It was just. There was a different level of professionalism. Don't get the sense that he, you know, cared an awful lot about what we thought. And, and to be quite honest with you, I don't think anyone's surprised. This is the narrative we've been talking about since, like, September. Remember, Coach prime has been out there since the seat, like, early season. And I quoted in the, the McShay Report, the newsletter that, you know, interview one of a dozen that we've heard or seen where, where Deion Sanders has come out and said, you know, my son and Travis, there's some teams that I just, you know, that I, I, I don't want him to go to, and we're going to kind of vet that out. And so these are probably just two of the teams that, these are probably the two of the teams that are not on that list of teams where they want to play, where they want him placed. What I find interesting, and this is I always like to spin it forward. I'm not here to like, oh, you won't believe it. Sitor came in and he didn't care what they thought. That's not the point of this. The point of this is putting perspective on it. This perspective we have to have is all right. We're armed with this information for months now. Shador with his team and starting at the top and the only decision made, the final decision maker and all this, this is his father. And Coach prime has told us all along that, that they're going to kind of, you know, weed some teams out. Doesn't want to go, doesn't want his son going to play for that organization. And he's got that right. He's been around the league, he played in the league. He's handled it a different way his whole life, and it's worked. And so that's how he's going to handle it. So when we hear this, it, it doesn't come as a shocking news to me. Didn't come as a shocking event to the executives that were in the room. But it, but it's fascinating to me because there's only really six teams that we're looking at in the top 10 with quarterback needs that we think are likely to draft one of these quarterbacks. Cam Wards go into one of those, whether It's Tennessee at 1, more likely Cleveland at 2, or a strong possibility as well of a team moving up like the Giants from three. So Cam takes one of those out. I'm not saying that these two teams are like, well, he's off our board, but very clearly that's not in the plan. So now we're down to three teams, and if Tennessee passes and goes with Abdul Carter and Cam Ward goes number two to Cleveland, now we're down to two teams. So either. And I think the former is a lot more likely than the latter, but either they already know where he's going, or it's down to two teams and one of those two teams is going to draft him and so he's not all that worried about the other teams, or we're in for a wild first night of the draft with where Shador Sanders winds up.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you feel like Cleveland goes with Cam Ward if he's there?
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Todd McShay
I do.
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Ryan Rosillo
Why.
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Todd McShay
The tape obviously start. That's the foundation. I think he has a skill set that is highly intriguing. I think you see the arm, the creativity, the, the, the arm angles, the ability to extend. He, he. I just, I. Again, we're talking quarterback four, quarterback five last year. But these teams have a needed quarterback. He has talent. It can be developed into a good starter in the NFL. And so history tells us that the team's going to take a swing. I see a clear difference between Cam and Shador in terms of potential upside, just natural, you know, more athletic, stronger arm. And everyone I've talked to in the league does. So that's the foundation. I also find it fascinating when no one wants to bring up someone's name. When I'm talking to teams that are looking to quarterback near the top of the draft and they don't even bring up his name, that they just don't want to talk about it because they. You know what I mean? That's the indicator to me.
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Ryan Rosillo
What are you talking about?
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Todd McShay
If you're having conversations about the top quarterbacks in the draft and they. And they're much more interested in talking about some of the other guys or other positions rather than. Cam Ward never came up unless I asked specifically. But it just because the teams that are interested in Cam Ward don't want his name. Like they don't, they don't want his name coming out of their mouths.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. All right.
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Todd McShay
Does that make sense?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Now I understand. Maybe I just had a harder time with that. Give me, give me somebody that. We'll do both ends of this. Let's start positive. Give me somebody that maybe you didn't realize until spending days in Indianapolis be like man teams really like this guy.
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Todd McShay
Tyler Booker, guard, Alabama. And it was the same quotes from everyone. Like maybe the highest character guy in this entire class. He's a guard. Don't love drafting the guard in the first round. I kept being told he's going earlier than you think. Legendary speech he gave to his teammates. And you know, during the season this year, interviews were awesome. You just know what you're getting. The gm, that draftsman is going to take a ton of heat because it's a guard somewhere in the top 15. But he's also going to sleep like a baby that night because he knows he just got his starting guard is going to be a star at guard for a long, long time. So he was the name that kept coming up. Maxwell Hairston, cornerback from Kentucky before the workout. Lot of buzz about him. Playmaker school tied the school record. Three pick sixes, ball hawk zone and man cover corner. He can do it all. Not a great tackler but, but like you know, he'll, he'll do enough. But Maxwell Hairston, I did not, I did not view. I thought he was kind of early second in that, that second tier of corners. He's going in the first. Then he ran at 5:11 and change 183 pounds. He runs a 4:2 8, the fastest 40 of any player at any position at the combine. 39 and a half inch vertical 10:9 broad. So these are like, these are top tier workout numbers to go with the tape. That's outstanding. So those were two of the guys that. And honestly there's a lot of love in the league for Jackson Dart and there's immense, growing intrigue. Would be the best way to phrase it for Tyler Schuck. The two quarterbacks that are kind of in that second tier. I think there's kind of a groundswell and I don't think it's organizations are talking to one another. I just, it's a groundswell for me as I'm starting to talk to a lot of teams. There's an understanding that Cam is going to go one or two. Shador probably has his spot secured or one or two teams. He's narrowed it down to. But, but there are some teams that just don't see it the way that maybe the public sees it in some regards. But much more intriguing is drafting a great player in the first round. If you've got pick, I don't know, three. If, if, if Shador is not your guy and Cam's gone. If you've got pick six, six with the Raiders, seven with the jets, nine with the same. Let's draft one of these really good players. It's not an elite group like every other year, but let's get a high impact starter and then let's maybe, maybe it's dart. We trade back into the first and get that fifth year option. Maybe it's Tyler Schuck who, yeah, you can say he's 25 and had three injuries. But their bone breaks, they're not like, it's not chronic stuff that's going to affect them long term. We're protecting our a lot longer. I'm not worried about the next guy's job. I'm worried about my, my, my job. And he's the most NFL ready of all these quarterbacks. Tyler Schuck is, he's bigger, he's faster, he's got just as strong an arm like he's up there with Cam Ward. Stronger arm than Dart, stronger arm than Shador. Ball placements outstanding on tape. It's just one year of tape. I'm telling you. Tyler Schuck is, is going to be. It won't surprise me if he winds up being the best quarterback from this class when it's all said and done.
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Ryan Rosillo
Was there somebody? Because, you know, as we're going through the season, I also know how you work and that you're, you're probably changing your mind on some players from the end of the regular season, maybe even during the bowl season, to all the extra evaluation that you're going to be putting up until, you know, we still got a ways to go. For all the tape that you're watching here, is there somebody that you've changed your mind on a lot?
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Todd McShay
There are a couple guys that they're like results that I can't unsee. It's hard, man, because I like Will Campbell a lot on tape, I really do. But I look at it and I see a guy like Armand Membu and his workout numbers, right? And then I look at Campbell and his workout numbers are really good. But Campbell's a left tackle with 32 and 58 inch arms. And that's frightening. I mean, it's frightening because I can Sit there and list off a whole bunch of guys with 33 inch arms, you know, in the 33 range, like Joe Thomas, Jason Peters, like all those guys. None of these, none of the short arm offensive tackles came into the league under 33 that I'm aware of and had success. I'm not saying he can't. I'd be a hypocrite if I said that. I've sat in Kirk Ferenc's office and I've laughed about like some of his guys that have gone on the league and had great careers. Okay. Because like, the tape's, the tape. Will Campbell's tape's really good, but it's not at the level of some of those guys I just mentioned. So now I'm looking at a guy like Arman member, who's younger, 330 pounds, running faster, jumping higher, 34 inches. And I'm like, all right, the traits are there. He's going to develop and he doesn't have long, like 33 and a half. But Campbell's going to be interested because everyone's mocking him to like New England at four, somewhere in the top 10 general managers. It's a risk assessment and I think there's enough risk there where maybe he could start to fall a little bit. Our guy to Jordan James. The tape, the tape is so good. We love him. Oregon running back heats up in a, in a flash. So quick in and out. Great vision, great patience. I really like him as a back. I think a team's going to wind up getting a really good value on him. Because when you look at this year's class, when you get guys like RJ Harvey, you know, talking high four threes, low four fours, jumping out of the gym. RJ Harvey from UCF Tootin, as I mentioned, Shul Tooten from Virginia Tech, DJ Giddens from Kansas State, I think he, you know, they're all in kind of that bucket, if you will, and I think he's kind of dropped inside that bucket. But I still think he's going to be a great player. But it could affect him on draft weekend.
- [32:45]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, I don't know, maybe he's just getting getting softer as I get older. But I still think it's worth asking the question, was there somebody momentum wise that you felt like, okay, after I was there? Like, the mocks have this guy in the first round. The teams don't see it.
- [33:10]
Todd McShay
I'm just not as big a guy. And it wasn't the workout, but Ted McMillan, Tetaroa, Tetaroa and trust me, people are still saying now I'm reading everywhere that New England could take him because Variable said we need a big, physical X. I don't see him as that. I see him as a big, athletic X. I don't see the dog in him like I saw in Drake London. I don't see the attention to detail. I see a really highly athletic player who runs well but doesn't have elite speed. I think that's part of the reason he didn't run in Indy. Arizona's season was over November, you know, and so he had plenty of time to work out and get ready for this. It's not like some, like the Ohio State guys, like a mecca. Buca didn't. Didn't run, but, like, they just finished their season. So, Yeah, I just. I'm not as big a fan and I think it's a mixed bag when you talk to guys in the league. For a player that is being consistently mocked in this, in the top 10, I would. I just like Matthew Golden a lot. And he goes out and runs. What do you run, a four two nine or something? Ridiculous. The second fastest time of all the. Of all the players at the combine. I think it was. I've got it pulled up, right?
- [34:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. He was the fastest receiver, right?
- [34:27]
Todd McShay
429. Fastest receiver, second fastest player. Yeah, I just. I love his tape, the in and out, the suddenness, the explosiveness. Now you got a guy who's reliable, just catches the ball. I just know what I'm getting there. So I think McMillan's going to be fascinating to see because some people love him and everyone's like, well, Drake, Drake London. Over a thousand receiving yards this past year. Yeah, there's a comp there, but it's not identical.
- [34:53]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, look, I mean, I love him because from the jump it was okay. Like, are you serious with this dude? You know, 6, 4, 2, 20. And I know he didn't run, which everybody was kind of like, wondering. And then it starts to become kind of like your original point of this whole thing is this turning into kind of the NBA combine, which is different because, you know, the agents will tell you in the NBA, like, we don't have these guys work out because if my guy goes against this other guy that's supposed to be second round or undrafted, then all the teams freak out. And then you morons in the media start shitting on my guy. And so, like, the risk reward. And then there's the. The oddity of human nature of, like, I might still like something I don't get to see as much.
- [35:38]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
- [35:38]
Ryan Rosillo
And I'm wondering if that is that that approach is infiltrating the NFL combine where we're just more and more people be like well if that guy's not running then I'm not running. And then the agent, the parents are like, well that guy's supposed to go behind our guys. So if he's. There were a lot of, to your.
- [35:54]
Todd McShay
Point, there were a lot of last minute decisions made. Guys that we thought were going to work out, I think they got there to Indy, they're in that position group being carted around from interviews to financial meetings to the hospital for, for medicals. And I think it's like, yeah, well, so and you know, pick up the, you know, speed dial to your agent. So and so is not running. So, you know, I think, I think that started to happen this year more so than, than I can remember.
- [36:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. And this, the frustrating part about this is like this isn't like it's a one on one or a two on two. Like I've gone to some of the draft workouts like way back in the day the at ones that the Celtics would, would let us into, you know, a few of us towards, you know, my early days back in Boston and you could see the setting where you could see how an agent be like, well this is ridiculous. Like my 69 guy is playing 2 on 2 and he's guarding a 62 guy. So now all of a sudden if he gets like, if he goes past him now my guy isn't as good. It's like this is not something that's controlled, but it's just the straight running of a 40. Like eventually dude, you're going to have to run your 40. Like I guess unless now we're just in the future gonna have waves of players without that having like an official number. Because it's like, no, I'm just not gonna have my guy run and go to the tape because I think the Tetaro tape is, is incredible. Now if you're gonna get me on details that I don't know because I don't study it the way that you study it, then I can't have the debate with you. Like I'm already taking a knee on the whole thing. But I think back to the DK Metcalf evaluation where it was okay, big physical presence and I don't even know that DK was as polished as Tetoa is in this last year. But I think the draft world and clearly the teams there was a miss on DK of like, not understanding him. And I don't know McMillan at all. I've never talked to him. I've never talked to anybody that's like, hey, I had him in high school here at Arizona. Like, you don't get it, right?
- [37:43]
Todd McShay
It's not a personal thing.
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Ryan Rosillo
No, no, no. So, but to let me finish on that, like, could it be, hey, I am so good at 6, 4, 2, 20, and our team stinks. And really our only thing that we can do is have Fafita run for his life and then chuck the ball up to me. And I'm still beating people in a straight line on some of these desperation throws that, you know, I don't need to be super crisp out of seven yards. Like, I haven't had to do any of those things. And I think that was the miss on dk is that he never really had to do the things that you guys were knocking him for.
- [38:15]
Todd McShay
He was a nine route guy, right?
- [38:17]
Ryan Rosillo
And. And yet, you know, it's an assumption. It's a tough spot for you and the teams to be like, okay, all these things that we ask our receivers to do at the NFL level, like, DK hasn't shown any of these attention to detail things because what did DK do? He figured it all out, right?
- [38:31]
Todd McShay
He figured it out. But he also, he came to the combine and it didn't. It didn't pan. He was a second round pick.
- [38:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, this is a good point. Right? Go ahead.
- [38:39]
Todd McShay
But he came to the combine and he at least proved to everyone, I am different than all these cats. Right? And it didn't. Again, it did. It's not like.
- [38:50]
Ryan Rosillo
And Tea, I'm not putting Tet in DK's physical class here because that, I mean, it's just. You can't do that with DK at all. But there are certain guys that I'll watch and go, okay, fine. Especially with the receivers. But it's like, you know, some of these dudes probably have. Is it. Is it that they can't do those things or that they've never had to?
- [39:10]
Todd McShay
Luther Burden's another one from Missouri. He's not going as high as people think.
- [39:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Right? But, like, I know everybody's not as big on him because they expect to be a speedster. He's a speedster on the field. Like, I couldn't believe he ran as slow as he did. But are we. Are we talking about a small target and not the speed? So now you're thinking, like, how open is this guy going to get? Because he was, he. I thought he was one of the best difference makers in college football for the last two years.
- [39:36]
Todd McShay
Yeah, I think people are just more worried about, like, what are we getting? Is this guy. Like, what are we getting? Showing up to the building every day is the same, same efforts, all that stuff. So.
- [39:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, well, that. I don't know.
- [39:47]
Todd McShay
It's. Yeah, it's. It's fascinating. This receiver class, I think is going to look a lot different in the draft, like the first two nights of the draft than what has been presented publicly for a long time. Matthew golden. If you think about it like in October, like, we didn't. Nobody really knew much about Matthew golden, who's a transfer from, from Houston, and Isaiah Bond. They kept trying to figure out how they were going to make Bond the number one. All of a sudden, like, Bond's gone and he steps up and becomes this, this huge threat, finishes the season, like, became the go to guy. You see all these traits and then he goes and works out and does his thing. I think like the Iowa State guys, because they don't get a lot of national exposure, whatever it is. Like, I look at Higgins and Noel, Jaden and Jalen, respectively, they're. I feel I would be fine with them going late first. They're that good and polished and ready. I just, I think it's going to be a little bit different than what, what people seem to think forever. Remember, it was McMillan and Burden and then, you know, Mecca Buka was kind of crawling up throughout the process. Now all of a sudden we could have a draft board where Golden's the first receiver, Burden's not in the, in the, in the first round. Couple Iowa State guys maybe go late for. You know what I mean? So that, that part's going to be interesting.
- [41:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, last thing here. Quinn, yours.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
What about what's going on?
- [41:19]
Todd McShay
That's a very leading question. The way you presented it, Quinn Ewers did not have the season we all expected him to have. Quinn Ewers, it feels like.
- [41:28]
Ryan Rosillo
It feels like years ago, that Michigan game.
- [41:31]
Todd McShay
It does. He had the oblique injury. He had the ankle injury. The oblique lingered. It affected him. I thought Quinn Ewers through pretty good at the, at the combine. Not exceptional, but pretty good. I think it will level off is my point. I think it went from could be top 10 pick to fourth, fifth round. I think he's going to wind up being a day two pick later. Day two, like third round range. I think in the perfect scenario, everything works out. Maybe he can become a starter in the league. I think it's much more likely he's going to wind up being a backup, but I think the market will correct itself a little bit.
- [42:11]
Ryan Rosillo
I still find that to be the single most fascinating thing about your sports draft process versus, you know, the one I'm aligned with with the NBA that rarely. And it's the Matt Barkley thing, which I even asked about, because I always referenced it forever, is that you were top 10 and then you were a fourth rounder. And that to me makes your sport so weird that the position, the quarterbacks.
- [42:40]
Todd McShay
Are different though because in the summer you're watching tape saying, all right, he's, he's at this level. I think he's about to make this next jump. Because so much of playing the quarterback positions between your ears and game experience and if you don't believe that, like go back to. You don't have to look far like, I promise you. Jaden Daniels comes out a year or two earlier, which he was eligible to do. We're talking about a fifth round pick. He wasn't ready. He hadn't developed, he hadn't been through enough wars, he hadn't, the game hadn't slowed down for him. He wasn't processing as quickly. He didn't trust his eyes. All those things. It's in a lot of these guys. The problem with our system is, and it's gotten a lot better with the nil and transfer portal. A lot better. Guys are bouncing around. Bo Nicks plays 60 something games. 62 games, I think it was right. Jaden Daniels plays like 56 games. Two different schools. While people don't love that aspect of it, from a quarterman quarterback development standpoint, it's a hell of a lot better than Mark Sanchez coming out after 13 starts when Mark needed two more years. Trubisky, 13 starts. Anthony Richardson should have played more ball, you know what I mean? So we're seeing all these guys that come out and don't have a ton of starts. And then we're watching on the flip side, all these guys who come out that had a bunch of starts, they're more ready, man. It's like it's not that complicated. And so when you're evaluating a guy in the summer, you're saying, all right, they're going to have a minimum 12, maybe up to 16 more games to learn and develop. Look at Will Howard. Will Howard's a fifth six rounder coming into this year. Will Howard's a fifth six rounder in late October. Will Howard now might be a day Two pick because of the development he had, he played more games and the system that opened up. So that part, I get it. But it's a projection based off of what you hope the next season is going to be and the fact that we're seeing a lot of these guys really improve in their final year of playing college ball. Which now instead of being the third year, third year in a program, maybe second year playing ball, it's like a fourth, fifth or sixth year.
- [44:54]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it'll be great. And I would say maybe we'll jump to conclusions. Well, we will. After only a couple years. And I know this is kind of where you're going, but it's nice to have five, really 10 years of data on new version of the transferring quarterback, getting more of these starts and maybe getting to a point where teams just go, hey, we have a hard and fast rule on this stuff. We have a quarterback need and we're taking somebody in the top 10. Like if you have south of 30 starts, we're just not doing that. We're not making them. Now look, teams are not that parcels.
- [45:22]
Todd McShay
Number of what was 23 starts is like the Mendoza line or the cutoff. That number, that number's rising drastically.
- [45:31]
Ryan Rosillo
I believe that team's not going to do it. But it's funny, as you say, like not being ready as a death sentence at that position for most everybody. Right? And in basketball, because there's.
- [45:42]
Todd McShay
Because there's nowhere to develop them, man.
- [45:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Right. But basketball, because it's different, because you're not worried about like reps for one guy at one position. But, but not being ready is almost a prerequisite for a top 10 pick in the NBA.
- [45:53]
Todd McShay
Right.
- [45:54]
Ryan Rosillo
Like we, you know, totally different world.
- [45:56]
Todd McShay
Right.
- [45:56]
Ryan Rosillo
And you. The development thing, it's. You're not even comparing even just because it's sports. It's not even the close. But like I always think of the equivalent of would there be a. Certainly there's people in mock drafts before college basketball season where you would say, oh, that guy dropped. But to drop from like he might be the fourth pick, fifth pick to. Again, we don't have multiple rounds. But no, Instead we took 120 players.
- [46:21]
Todd McShay
You guys are so much better at evaluating talent.
- [46:24]
Ryan Rosillo
No, it's the quarterback thing in particular. It's.
- [46:28]
Todd McShay
I know, I know, I'm joking.
- [46:29]
Ryan Rosillo
But, but maybe, yeah, maybe this would be, you know, cool 10 years from now we're doing the pod and like, hey, they cracked the code. They're only busting on 30% of first rounders now, right? Yeah, the numbers.
- [46:41]
Todd McShay
I mean, last year's class looks pretty good.
- [46:45]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, I need more data. You know, of course we need more.
- [46:48]
Todd McShay
Data, but, like, find me. Find me. Any other year where we've had. You can't. But where five of six you're looking at, and you're like, phil, pretty good. Marino's year, JJ hasn't even played. Like, there's only one guy we're really worried about after one year, you know.
- [47:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. And I'm as excited as the next guy about panics, but we're definitely rounding up on panics.
- [47:10]
Todd McShay
Fine. But I'm saying it's a. Compared to what we've seen where it's like 40% in previous. In a lot of years. Going back in history, after the first year, you're like, oh, I don't know.
- [47:21]
Ryan Rosillo
The Zach Wilson class is just, you know, the scariest.
- [47:25]
Todd McShay
Yes. Yes.
- [47:27]
Ryan Rosillo
Because you go, how many of these dudes are already on other teams?
- [47:30]
Todd McShay
Right. So. Yeah.
- [47:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay. Okay. Tell us about the newsletter so people can subscribe.
- [47:38]
Todd McShay
It's. It's mock drafts. We already had Mach 1.0. We're going to have Mach 2.0 next week. So much to kind of update in terms of the intel getting and. And. And the workouts and how it's kind of, you know, reshaped the top of the board. We're going to have draft boards. We're going to have, you know, inside information like we had with the Shador Sanders and some of the conversations about different players and different teams. Google it. That's what I'm told to say. My boy, Austin Gale. You know, basically go. Go the Indiana route. Google me. It's called the McShay Report. The easiest, fastest way to figure out how to subscribe is to just google the McShay report and you'll see it. Click it. Subscribe, please. $4 to get through this. This year's draft. Double down, baby. 36 bucks. This year's draft, all the next season and the 2026 draft. So I appreciate all the support on that. It's my. It's my baby, man. I've been doing this for. For 25 years.
- [48:35]
Ceruti
The.
- [48:35]
Todd McShay
The writing portion of it, and. And I just love it.
- [48:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I could tell how fired up you are. The content, like I said at the top, it is not that I had. I don't know what my expectations were for everything that you're doing, but just immediately, like, this, this thing feels incredibly successful, and I'm just really happy for you.
- [48:58]
Todd McShay
I appreciate it, brother. I really do. I'M loving it here. This is, like, it hasn't taken, like, four months. Like, this is home now. I've never been happier doing what I'm doing with the people that I'm doing it with, starting with Steve Mensch, obviously. But all, all you guys, like, it's, it's, it's been amazing. It really has.
- [49:16]
Ryan Rosillo
You can check out more of Todd again on the McShay show, so please subscribe. And again, you can see the full videos of the podcast as well on Spotify. Thanks, man. We'll talk again soon.
- [49:25]
Todd McShay
You got it, brother.
- [49:27]
Ceruti
You want details?
- [49:28]
Kyle
Fine.
- [49:28]
Todd McShay
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up?
- [49:34]
Ceruti
I have a ridiculous house in the south for work.
- [49:36]
Todd McShay
I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid.
- [49:42]
Kyle
So now you know what's possible.
- [49:44]
Todd McShay
Let me tell you what's required.
- [49:47]
Ryan Rosillo
We are ready to go. Life Advice, rr, gmail.com. that's the email we've got through. We've got Kyle Orgon, potentially. I'll think of new ways to intro that at some point, but you never know. May not even talk to him. Maybe you don't want to. Maybe Kyle has a problem with him. We don't even know. And I have to manage it. Maybe not, though, because I'm not really a manager. All right, a lot of people emailing in.
- [50:12]
Ceruti
Good.
- [50:13]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm kid. I. It's been a scramble, scramble prep day. So we're. We're getting there. We're getting there. We got through it today, but it wasn't ideal for me this morning. So let's, let's take a look here. A couple feedback ones that, you know, we've been sneaking in here a little bit. A lot of people love the book the Road, and they. I mean, you want to talk high, high approval rating, which is rare in life today. But when I talked about it during the Friday feedback, when I started reciting my library, which was some D content, I said, it's my favorite work of fiction. And we've had a ton of emails from people that were like, hey, I took your advice. I read it. Holy shit. So thank you. And to those of you like, look, you just get to read an incredible book that definitely has an impact on you there at the end.
- [51:07]
Ceruti
Isn't it kind of awesome when you get the jealousy of somebody watching or reading something that you know is sick and you're like, damn, I wish I could watch, like, the Lord of the Rings trilogy again for the first time, you know, I mean, it's still great now, like, the hundredth time, but, like, it's like, damn, the first time. I remember, like, getting so giddy to, like, have my wife watch it, and she certainly did not share the excitement with me, but it just. That's, like, such a great feeling.
- [51:28]
Kyle
Convince one of my college buddies to do Sopranos. And he, like, calls me periodically. You know, it's like, dude, season three or, you know, so that was cool, too.
- [51:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [51:35]
Ceruti
You just living through your buddy. Yeah.
- [51:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. That was what I tried to do for Van Pelt with the Wire, considering he also has the Maryland stuff. Yeah. And I even gifted him the first season on itunes. Right. Think about that move. Early 30s.
- [51:59]
Ceruti
That's basically. Yeah.
- [52:00]
Kyle
It's like going out to the Internet.
- [52:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [52:02]
Ceruti
It's about as intimate as it gets.
- [52:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I'm not into you, but, like, well, the guy hasn't dated anybody in a while, so.
- [52:11]
Ceruti
Anyway, I Blu Rays what's going on here?
- [52:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that would have made more sense because I had to, like, get his email, and then I had to, like, make sure. And then I go, hey, did you get that link? And it was such a disastrous transaction because I was. He's like, yeah, no, I think I saw it. You sent it to my personal one, right? I'm like, come on, man, are you serious? Like, I definitely sent it to your. Like, the one we use every day to talk about the show. That email that you log into multiple times a day, you. You didn't notice, like, a different thing. Ryan has gifted you season one of the Wire. Like, that's a pretty. Like, that email, pops, you know?
- [52:48]
Kyle
Sure. Yeah.
- [52:49]
Ryan Rosillo
That's not. That's not what's going on with NATO that you need to know. Right? You just. You don't even open that one. This was. Ryan Rossillo has. Has gifted you. And so I was like, yeah, you just gotta. He's like, well, how do I do it, though? Like, if I. If I have. And I went, are you seriously not even gonna.
- [53:05]
Kyle
I thought, man, this was supposed to make me feel good. What the fuck?
- [53:09]
Ryan Rosillo
But what you learn about Van Pelt is that because all of us told him it's insane that you of all people have not watched the show that everybody loves you, like good things. Right? That he actually liked not watching it.
- [53:24]
Kyle
Dug in.
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Ceruti
Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. I've done that before.
- [53:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. But at some point, you're just denying yourself something that's incredible. Like, every Wire joke that anybody wants to make, like, okay, go ahead and make it then. Watch the show and Then tell me you didn't have a good time and nobody's ever gonna go, ah, you know what, like little dated burgers. You know, Ceruti might do that.
- [53:46]
Ceruti
I mean, I. Yeah, we shouldn't even get into my Wire thoughts. I haven't seen the Wire. I tried a couple times. Didn't. Just didn't.
- [53:52]
Ryan Rosillo
Tried a couple times.
- [53:54]
Ceruti
Yeah, like the four by the time.
- [53:55]
Ryan Rosillo
When you were taping with Bill. You want to jump out early?
- [54:01]
Ceruti
Yeah, no, I mean, I. I've been known to zag a little bit in life.
- [54:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh my Christ. That's the zag ever.
- [54:06]
Ceruti
I'm not saying I didn't. I'm not saying it's bad. I just. I haven't seen it so that I don't have any.
- [54:10]
Ryan Rosillo
It sounds like you didn't like it.
- [54:12]
Ceruti
Well, I just.
- [54:13]
Ryan Rosillo
You tried twice. Like, what the are you talking about, man?
- [54:16]
Ceruti
People gardens People already don't like me. This isn't gonna help.
- [54:19]
Kyle
Yeah, cut that. Come on, Mike, do a favor.
- [54:23]
Ceruti
No, I tried and just the aspect ratio is just. It was just bad, man. I don't. I don't know, like I can't. You know, I. It's not even like I didn't grow up in an aspect ratio of afford by three, but it just. I don't know, I think I probably tried it 10 years ago.
- [54:37]
Kyle
Aspect ratio.
- [54:39]
Ceruti
I'm sorry. Yeah, I haven't seen it.
- [54:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Just don't expect.
- [54:42]
Kyle
Just check your email for itunes from Ryan and.
- [54:44]
Ceruti
Yeah, I guess I need.
- [54:45]
Ryan Rosillo
No, don't. I'll save you the time.
- [54:47]
Kyle
Don't hold your breath.
- [54:48]
Ceruti
I should have kept that one to myself.
- [54:50]
Ryan Rosillo
But yeah, I mean, Ceruti's. Ceruti's whole. I'm sorry but like now I'm interrupting you.
- [54:54]
Ceruti
Now it's fine.
- [54:55]
Ryan Rosillo
But. But your whole mission statement of like nothing ages well, like nothing, nothing.
- [55:00]
Ceruti
I would mostly agree.
- [55:01]
Ryan Rosillo
What about like, would you watch Chinatown?
- [55:03]
Ceruti
I don't. Never seen it.
- [55:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, but not seeing it is one thing, but like, would you not watch Chinatown? Jack Nicholson, like the beginning, you know, this. This all time movie considered like one of the greatest.
- [55:17]
Ceruti
I don't think I would not watch it. No, I would.
- [55:20]
Ryan Rosillo
I would watch, but you would say, hey, this is stupid. That, that was fake. That guy was fake.
- [55:23]
Ceruti
I would just be like it, you know, it looks. I don't know how it looks. And maybe it isn't. Maybe it looks incredible. Maybe it holds up incredibly well. But I think, yeah, like most things you're just do not.
- [55:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Like Back to the Future.
- [55:32]
Ceruti
I actually do really like Back to the Future. I love time travel stuff. Michael J.
- [55:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Fox.
- [55:36]
Ceruti
It's the dated movie. Like, it feels incredibly dated, but it's still a good movie.
- [55:44]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know, man.
- [55:45]
Ceruti
You know my take on the 80s too. I mean, this goes back a long time. I just think the 80s is a rough entertainment. Not even entertainment. Most things in the 80s were kind of rough. Movies, music, cars were kind of ugly.
- [56:00]
Kyle
Can't wait, can't wait for emails.
- [56:02]
Ceruti
I'm just. Yeah. When's the next Friday? Feedback. Here we go.
- [56:05]
Kyle
Can we hire a freelancer to go through everything we're about to get?
- [56:11]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [56:13]
Ryan Rosillo
All right. All right.
- [56:15]
Ceruti
What's. Yeah, but is that. Is that take worse or is Bill's interstellar take worse? Because that, That's a. That's a tough one.
- [56:21]
Kyle
Deflecting, maybe, but we all have our.
- [56:24]
Ceruti
We all have, you know, we all have our flaws.
- [56:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, Look, Bill's very clear. Disdain. I don't know if disdain is not the right word, but the clip of him and Van talking about Christopher Nolan, that wasn't great for Bill because you're like, wait, so the guy who's making some of the best movies over the last 15 years, like arguably, like the one director, if you had to like draft the directors of, like, okay, that person directed it. The majority of people were like, I'm in. I. I don't even care what it's about. Like, I'll give that guy a chance. And he was kind of like, yeah, momento was good.
- [57:07]
Ceruti
And then kind of like the Dark Knight.
- [57:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, I told you, I like the Dark Knight. Oh, you're the guy that liked the Dark Knight. Okay.
- [57:16]
Ceruti
I will say, though, Bill's zag on the Marvel Cinematic Universe. He played the long game and it's certainly working out right now.
- [57:23]
Kyle
Yeah.
- [57:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. All right. You guys want to do an email? I've been bad lately. Yeah, okay. What's up, fellas? 5, 10, 180, no gym stats, time consuming schedule of being a high school basketball coach and a herniated disc have taken me out of strenuous exercise. Going back to November now. Tough. That's all right. You'll get back. If you care, you'll get there. My neighbor, four years older, gentleman who's been living with his mother. She recently passed away. Some background of this guy, he's been taking care of his mother. So he doesn't work. He's always home. We share a common driveway. He parks his car in the middle, mostly on his side, but at least 2 to 3ft across the undrawn dividing line between his side and mine. I had helped his mother bring in the groceries. One time I left my number with her in case she. They ever needed anything. When she passed away, he had texted me to thank me for giving her my number and let me know of the arrangements. Since then, the texting hasn't stopped. Constant memes and YouTube video links. I gave him the old LOL for the first few, then did the ha ha reactions a couple more times before I just stopped answering. Despite no longer receiving responses, he had sent messages for 10 consecutive days. That's where the question comes, dude, haven't we all played the LOL haha game? With a few unwanted memes, I sent a haha to my brother and then he was like, you hahaed me? Like, yeah, I did.
- [58:42]
Ceruti
Damn.
- [58:43]
Ryan Rosillo
He's like, yeah. He's like, dude. And he's younger, so I wasn't even the older guy math thing because I had a. Some friend who sent me just an absolute horrible body fluid dispersal meme. And I went, okay, whoa, like, what do I. Like, what do you.
- [59:04]
Kyle
Do you want to clarify what that meant or. No, that's okay.
- [59:07]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't.
- [59:08]
Ceruti
Okay.
- [59:08]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't.
- [59:09]
Kyle
Okay.
- [59:09]
Ryan Rosillo
But it's just like when you're not that close with somebody and they send you that meme, like, what is there left to do besides screw you, guy?
- [59:18]
Kyle
Yeah, you shouldn't even put me in that position.
- [59:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, let me. Let me bang out a couple paragraphs here. All right, so then the question comes in. I'm getting my bathrooms redone and he shot me the 11th text. Getting a new bathroom today. No answer for me. Most this is a great email. Mostly just busy not intentionally trying to be a jerk. Next day he sends another text, basically letting me know that some brown crud had gotten on his car residue from demo dumpster and that he had gone to get a car wash. It was $12, and he left the receipt with one of the workers. I didn't answer again. Big night poops for the team that day. Just one of those things where it's the last thing I want to think about. Well, I'm two days out. I haven't answered him. He sent a couple more follow ups. Did you see my receipt? And a couple more memes. Do I answer him here? Pretend my phone line is shot. And I haven't been receiving any of his messages since our early exchanges. Continue ignoring the text and just give him the $12 next time I see him. Okay, look, a lot to cover here. One is, you're a good dude. You're a good dude. The move there to make sure that the moment could have your number just in case. Right. That tells me a lot about you, all right? And the fact that you're a high school basketball coach. There's. There's a part of you that is good. Good consciousness about other people's feelings, cares about the kids. Yeah, yeah. You're doing the right thing here. This guy just lost his mom, all right? And clearly whatever's going on in his day to day isn't stacked with zooms. So he's going through something that obviously is very traumatic, and he doesn't have a busy schedule, so there's the math on why you're getting all these texts all of a sudden. So I think initially I felt like, hey, can you give the guy some grace here? I'm kind of shocked I just said that. But can you give the guy a little leniency considering what he's gone through? And maybe three ha's or maybe. Oh, that's a good one, you know? But then you meme him back. Now you're in a meme off, and it's planning vacations, and clearly you don't want to do that with this guy. But I think now he has crossed the line into you're dealing with somebody that, again, has gone through something traumatic. So we don't want to be insensitive to it, but once you start leaving $12 receipts for a car wash and then following up with a $12 sheet, he's now crossed into somebody, you should no longer feel any guilt towards not wanting to have any communication with him whatsoever. I give him the 12 bucks back. Fine. Whatever. I'd ignore every single meme. I wouldn't even. I think you're now past the level of haha. Lol. I would ignore them all. And. Okay, it's just like a text. It's just like, Dick Sporting Goods. Every now and then let me know. Golf balls on sale. Like, I could freak out about getting the text, but I'm the one that signed up for it. You didn't necessarily sign up for it, but guess what I can do. Hey, Dick's, thanks for letting me know, but I'm good right now on golf balls. No problem. So that's how you have to look at it. But the $12 thing should make you feel even less skilled, because that is. Look, if you got. If the guy's got his car dirty, you got a car dirty. But I think most of us. I don't want to call it unhinged, but that's kind of aggressive. Taxing. Yeah, I think it's a. I think it's aggressive.
- [62:23]
Ceruti
It's kind of like a Look at me. I don't know. That. That, to me is just like an attention grab thing. And again, he's going through some, so I want to give him some grace, but, you know, it's like, really, you're gonna, like, make it a scene over your car being dirty, and then you go getting the car washed like that. Like, we're never going to be friends. Unfortunately, if that's kind of shit that you pull, I would be. I would do what this guy does. I play it too nice. I do this on Instagram with different people. They'll send me a few things, and I just kind of keep it going because I feel bad. I don't. And it's weird because it's like I could just stop responding. But, like, you feel weird just kind of like ghosting someone that you don't even know. So I don't know if you're cool playing it nice. I think that's kind of how you do it. Maybe this guy kind of needs the back and forth a little bit. Maybe doesn't have a lot going on. I don't. I kind of subscribe to, like, you never know what everyone's. What anyone's going through at a certain time. And if you stop, like, if you kind of. If you're a dick to him, like, maybe that kind of puts him over the edge. And if that kind of gets on your conscience, like, you don't really want that there either. So if you are able to handle being the nice guy here and just kind of putting some of that weird shit aside, that's kind of what I would do. Just for your own conscience.
- [63:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [63:22]
Kyle
It seems like that receipt was him, like, chucking up a prayer, so to speak. Like, he hasn't. You know, he just went 0 for 10 and the game's about to end. And he was just like, well, this one. Maybe he feels like he has to answer because there's some sort of transactional thing. Totally poor planning on his part. Didn't really scope out the situation, but it seemed like he was just like, all right, everything else hasn't worked. Maybe if I say that there's some sort of, like, you know, thing we need to settle up here, he might actually respond. And I think what you should do is power through that, you know, fight through the screen. You're not. I'm not replying. I'm not responding to that. We don't respond to threats. Whatever. And then just. And just keep it. Keep it. No text. You don't get texts from me back. And then when you see him, give him the $12. That way he knows you've seen his text, but he. He will. It will click eventually. It's like, all right, this guy sees what I'm sending. He's not just one of those people that has so many texts, he doesn't have time for me. But that's not you saying it. He can't really get that upset. I would put his power through. Don't answer. And, you know, keep. Keep a 12 bucks in your pocket. And when you see him, give it to him. But you just have. You have to. You have to stand firm here. You have to stand firm here and not, like, overreaching and lashing back and saying, what's your problem, man? Or whatever. Doesn't. Doesn't need to go into an explanation why you don't want to text back. I think you just power through, stand firm, give him the 12 bucks, and that's the end of that.
- [64:40]
Ceruti
I think you have to give the 12 bucks. Yeah.
- [64:42]
Kyle
This is the guy that doesn't want to learn. He'll learn eventually. Especially that way, it confirms you've seen what he says, you're not responding to him, but you are going to acquiesce to his request.
- [64:52]
Ryan Rosillo
It also depends, too. Like, where are they located regionally? Like, are we talking. There's still some snow and salt situation? Like, is it. Is it a colder climate? Where are we? Where's the tempered zone of this email? And so, like, was the car kind of going to get dirty already? Like, could you be a bit aggressive on it? Even though he just went through this, where you're like, hey, man, like, I get it. Here's your 12 bucks. But, you know, like, gets dirty, man.
- [65:19]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [65:19]
Ryan Rosillo
And you're gonna bill me for the car wash. And. And then maybe. Maybe that. Because we are. We are truly in a. I mean, we've never been more divided, but. Well, the spread of. Oh, seriously, Ceru. The spread of unwanted memes.
- [65:34]
Ceruti
You know, I just love that we've never been more divided thing. It's like, yeah, I don't know. We've been. We've definitely been more divided. I know.
- [65:41]
Ryan Rosillo
That's why I do it. That's why I tell them, body's looking pretty sweet. I. I also think there'd be something funny here, but again, the guy went through something pretty. It's A big deal. And he's there at the house. But, like, if you just decide. I'm just thinking, like, globally combating unwanted memes. And if you just decided, like, I'm gonna just turn the tables on this guy and just start texting back awful topics with somebody who I barely know and be like, hey, what? Thought the eggs were going to be cheaper. What the fuck, bro? You know? And then he.
- [66:14]
Ceruti
Luka was the right thing to do.
- [66:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Just. Just start hitting him with terrible talking points and. Yeah, but then I feel like you'd.
- [66:24]
Kyle
Be surprised at that guy's stamina. I think he'd be surprised more than you were bargaining for.
- [66:28]
Ryan Rosillo
No, it's not going to work with this guy. Yeah.
- [66:30]
Kyle
Do you have a second to talk about it? Can I call you real quick? Like, oh, oh, no.
- [66:36]
Ceruti
That's a slippery slope though, man. I don't know.
- [66:39]
Ryan Rosillo
No, you don't want to do it with this guy.
- [66:41]
Kyle
Yeah, yeah, okay.
- [66:42]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm talking like, is there a way to combat the unwanted meme?
- [66:46]
Ceruti
It would actually. It would actually be really funny though. Like, if he drove, you know, he drove like an 03 Impala. He's like, yeah, man, I got to get it washed. You know, I got to get it cleaned. You know, like, that has rust on it.
- [66:57]
Kyle
It's like, really?
- [66:58]
Ceruti
You do?
- [66:59]
Kyle
I told you. I did. I combated weird memes with poop memes and it worked for a while. I don't know if that guy listened or whatever. This was like a month ago, it started back up. So I don't know if the word got back to him that my strategy was out, but so turns out the poop and fart memes don't exactly turn everyone off.
- [67:14]
Ryan Rosillo
What about a shirts off selfie?
- [67:17]
Kyle
That would probably do it for me. That would probably do it.
- [67:21]
Ryan Rosillo
That's a game changer.
- [67:23]
Kyle
I don't speak of.
- [67:24]
Todd McShay
I don't know.
- [67:24]
Kyle
This guy's got moves. He might come up with something more uncomfortable. So I don't know if I want to take that step either.
- [67:30]
Ryan Rosillo
I had an old guy moment at Trader Joe's the other day.
- [67:33]
Kyle
Can't wait to hear this.
- [67:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I was. I was rummaging through the stock and I looked at the eggs and I was like, damn.
- [67:42]
Kyle
Audibly.
- [67:43]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like when. When Jim tells Will Ferrell that some people around the office think he might be sexist. And Craig is like, damn. As soon as he says it, great delivery. Great delivery by Daryl. So I was like, man one. It was just wiped out. Because if you want to Sell something out. All you have to do is say you're only allowed one. You know, if I ran read. If I ran a retail store, we couldn't move something and be like, man, our half shorts are still. We're still way overstocked. Be like, one per customer. I just put the sign up. So the eggs were just. It was a. It looked like I am legendary egg section. So I get to the checkout, and Ramon's there. It is just vibrant shirt. And I go, what's going on with the eggs, man? Has that been a thing? And he's just, like, gave me this look like, I don't care, man. Yeah, right. And as soon as I said it. As soon as I said it, I was like, man, what are you doing? What are you. Why are you talking to the checkout people solo? Why are you inquiring about. Although I would say Trader Joe's. A scouting report is. There's a lot of people at that checkout that would love to engage.
- [69:00]
Ceruti
Oh, yeah. Love that question specifically. Yeah, yeah.
- [69:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Have you tried to prepare for it? Yeah, there's just. Exactly. Suri. That's kind of what I was going with. But this was an outlier. He was not part of management training or wherever the Trader Joe's has that. Okay, we got a fifth grader emailing in. No way if this is real or not. Fifth grader needing advice. Hi, my name's Tate. I'm in fifth grade. I'm 4. 11. That's pretty good. No gym stats. I prefer soccer over basketball. Nice shout out to Cerutty, who also hates everything from the early 2000s. Well, my dad puts me to bed.
- [69:35]
Ceruti
It's not true at all, but okay. Over 2000 is a great time.
- [69:40]
Ryan Rosillo
My dad puts me to bed. He either reads me a chapter of the book, tells me the movie plot, or tells me what the life advice was about. When he explains the life advice, I make him give me all the details, but sometimes he forgets. So I asked to listen, and he let me listen for the first few minutes. He turned it off when there were bad words. I really want to listen to it with him in bed, but he won't let me. My question is, how can I convince him to let me listen? Maybe just for one episode. You could not curse just for the life advice part.
- [70:05]
Kyle
Thanks me.
- [70:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Sorry, I just swore. People reading to a lot of fifth graders in bed.
- [70:15]
Kyle
Yeah, I was ready.
- [70:16]
Ryan Rosillo
11, think 10. 11.
- [70:18]
Kyle
Yeah. I had a little brother around that time, so that extended story time for me. We shared a room, so it Was probably supposed to be done around then. And then my little brother, you know, we started sharing a room, so. So, yeah, I probably, you know, stopped believing in Santa Claus really early, but still had bedtime stories for a while.
- [70:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Are you serious?
- [70:38]
Kyle
But it was more like to him. And I was just there in the top bunk, like.
- [70:41]
Ryan Rosillo
But you had a good time.
- [70:42]
Ceruti
You were not into it, though.
- [70:43]
Kyle
Yeah, I wasn't not into it. You know, that seemed like some sort of cheat code, you know, but, yeah, it was. Yeah, it was around there. But, hey, I knew about Santa Claus by like, five, but still had a lot of bedtime.
- [70:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Five.
- [70:57]
Kyle
Yeah. And I told people, too. My, you know, child and divorced. My mom was like, you know, single mom in an apartment, and my dad was remarried with a whole family. And I think I just asked her, and she was just like, yeah, that's my rule. If you ask me, I'll tell you the truth. So, like, boom, Santa Claus was done early. And then I went over to a Christmas party, and there was a bunch of kids in the basement. I was like, you guys, you're not gonna believe this. And then, so one of the older kids ran up. She's like, kyle's ruining Christmas for everyone. It was like a really bad Christmas party. But anyway, I knew Santa early, but, you know, definitely before my teens. Was done with the stories. But, yeah, maybe like 12. I don't know. I was again, I was a bystander.
- [71:37]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't think that's a real fifth grader emailing us.
- [71:40]
Kyle
I don't think so.
- [71:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think it's his dad. I think kid at 10 or 11 has heard all of these words unless you drive them to school every day, which I would advise against. I know it's extra time with your kids, but I think you need those. Those rough edges on the bus.
- [71:57]
Ceruti
The hardening of the bus.
- [71:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [71:59]
Kyle
Figuring out a way to get in the back. Yeah.
- [72:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [72:02]
Ceruti
Oh, man, my bus route.
- [72:03]
Ryan Rosillo
I.
- [72:03]
Ceruti
So I lived, like, on the outskirts of our town, and I had. It was like 45 minutes to an hour one way. Both times it was. I would fall asleep on the bus. They'd wake me up because I would just fall asleep on the bus. When I was in, like, you know, elementary school, we were trying to figure.
- [72:19]
Kyle
Out how to throw shit out the windows. The back of the bus was a really great time.
- [72:24]
Ryan Rosillo
We. We had a deal where, I don't.
- [72:26]
Kyle
Know, throw stuff out the window.
- [72:27]
Ryan Rosillo
Sorry. Maybe fifth, maybe fifth grade. I think fifth grade is when we first started doing it, because we would go by our street. But then we would take a left and go all the way the other way around. So we'd be like the last drop off. So, like, it's not that I lived that far away from the elementary school, but it was basically the loop that we took. We went the furthest way out and then circled back around so it'd be the last. It would just suck.
- [72:50]
Kyle
Crazy.
- [72:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, right? So then we started asking. I think we got a note once from a parent to be like, can we. Can we get dropped off at this corner and then walk down the street? But the street that I lived on was, like, one of the most dangerous streets. It was so bad. And we just started forging the notes, and the bus driver was in outer space.
- [73:09]
Kyle
Anyway, sounds good.
- [73:11]
Ryan Rosillo
We just kept handing him these notes, being like, please allow my son fill in the blank. There was like three of us, and then we'd all get off and be like, this is a whole new world. And then some guys whip beer cans at us in the middle of the day as they were driving by. It was kind of a real redneck stretch of. Of this Connecticut thing. And that was the end of that 80s, man.
- [73:35]
Kyle
The best. I don't know what you're talking about.
- [73:37]
Ryan Rosillo
He was like, what?
- [73:39]
Ceruti
Sounds awesome.
- [73:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, he was, like, ready to go. Looking for him. All right, how about one Verk now? Verk's gotten enough love. Okay, we'll save that for Friday feedback. I don't mean to sound anti. Burke, by the way, after dinner last night, the anora, the Russian kid table next to me. Bd. Like, man, I'm seeing it Wild. Yeah, I will see it, but all right. I don't want friends. 6 1. 34 years old, 215. I've never been to the gym. Michael Kid Gilchrist on offense, Keonte George on defense. Deandre Ayton's thought process. Not the combo you want on a scouting report. About a year ago, I was fired from my job. I turned to sports betting and came up with a system.
- [74:25]
Kyle
Great solve. Gambling. You and Sruti both.
- [74:27]
Ryan Rosillo
I've done quite well. Three weeks plus a rather large settlement for wrongful termination. I've never had many friends. When I was younger, I would have killed to have friends. Now the thought of doing anything socially is mentally draining. The only time I leave my house is if my wife wants me to do something. Some guys are listening to be like, this fucking guy's got a wife. My wife operates a private golf course. She occasionally tells people about the money I want. I simply tell people I'M retired. The combination of making an obscene amount of money and free golf at my wife's course has led me to people wanting to become my friend. And by being my friend, I mean texting me. What are we betting on? Or want to play golf. All these people got my number from my wife, usually the husband of her friends or people that never used to text me. How do I get people to stop texting? My current system is if you're pushy about wanting my bets, I come up with a bet I know it's going to lose and send that to you. Oh, wow. Hoping if you lose enough, you leave me alone. The second option is just ignore them. Then my wife wants to get dinner with them. It's awkward. I occasionally play golf with some people, but usually respond. Courses pack. Can't get a tee time. Is there a solution to this problem? I'd say stay on this path, buddy, and you're going to reach your goals.
- [75:33]
Kyle
I think your wife is begging for a friend. She's sending people your way. Yeah, I think. I think you're. What? You're driving your wife nuts is what it sounds like. She's just giving your number to anyone who might be able to get you out of the house.
- [75:48]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, look, he's. He's sending some slips here. This is pretty good stuff. You know, congrats, man. I mean, if you're. If you figured out how to crack the code here, I mean, you clearly don't care, so why don't you just say it like, I don't want to be your friend, period. Yeah. I mean, that is your birthday. That email was pretty straightforward. You're obviously pretty smart, not only with your basketball combination comp there, which was creative and funny and very specific. If you really are pulling this off, and I only say that not to dispute what you're telling us, the information that you're showing us on some of these golf parlays that I just looked at. And the numbers, again, if these are the real numbers, like, you're killing it. I don't. Why? What. What part of you wants to be cool about this? Because of your wife?
- [76:48]
Ceruti
Yeah, like, lean into being the shady, sort of like, scary guy that nobody wants to talk to.
- [76:53]
Kyle
That white woman.
- [76:53]
Ryan Rosillo
You never want to talk to anybody.
- [76:55]
Kyle
The bald guy from White Lotus. Yeah, listen, that. Yeah.
- [77:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I'm three episodes in. I'm excited.
- [77:06]
Kyle
Excited for something to happen, that's for sure.
- [77:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it is going a little slow.
- [77:10]
Kyle
Anything.
- [77:11]
Ceruti
So. You know what's funny? I was going to. It's funny that, that came up because I was going to zag and be like, yeah, man, I've been waiting to kind of, you know, zag on the white lotus thing because nothing's happened so far. I've enjoyed the three episodes.
- [77:23]
Ryan Rosillo
But.
- [77:23]
Ceruti
Yeah, what's happened?
- [77:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, look, it's already been a successful show for two seasons. Totally get away with it. He can get away with the seed planting. But I don't think you're wrong by saying we're going a little slow here. But I don't mind slow. I don't mind slow. I think a lot of people mind slow. The best part. Yeah, go ahead.
- [77:40]
Ceruti
The best part of the show is the three female friend relationship. Right. Because it's just so well written how like I'm not going to spoil anything, but it is just so perfect how that is written.
- [77:51]
Ryan Rosillo
So yeah, yeah, I, I'm giving it the massive benefit of the doubt. Totally. If you were bringing someone in season three for the first time, they would be like, why does everybody talk about this? All right, so not great life advice. It's a little White Lotus Season 3 review at the end of there.
- [78:08]
Ceruti
Can I just really quickly for the people who are probably going to inevitably get mad on Reddit. I'm not anti watching the Wire. I will. Ten years ago when I tried to watch it, it just didn't hit for me. Maybe it will at another point. I'm not saying it's not great. It probably is. I've heard it's top three show of all time. I just haven't seen it but just want to get that out there.
- [78:27]
Kyle
Can I get one thing off my chest too? It's a bus thing I learned about recently. So from three to. From third to fifth grade I lived directly.
- [78:33]
Ryan Rosillo
You are mass transport guy. Yeah, that's transit. I guess I should say transit. Yeah.
- [78:38]
Kyle
From third to fifth grade. I live directly across from my intermediate school. So it's three to five and my mom would not let me cross the street to do it, like to just walk to school. So I had to take. I was the first kid on the bus in the morning that left the school, pulled out, picked me up on the other side of the road. Hour long bus. She always told me it was because she didn't trust me crossing the street. But the truth is she wanted to leave for work early. So she made me ride the bus the full route of the bus. I could see the school from my bus stop and it was, you know, it was sort of a busy road. But I learned this like probably a Couple summers ago, when we were talking about it, I was just like, you just didn't trust me to cross the street, let me, like, ride my bike. And she was like, I really just needed to get to work. You know what I mean? And I didn't want you in the house while I was gone. So, you know, you were out there at like 6:45 in the morning so I could leave. And I was like, this is fucking crazy. This is a conspiracy. Sorry for cursing to that fake fifth grader, but, yeah, first kid on the bus the whole route.
- [79:36]
Ceruti
Damn.
- [79:37]
Kyle
Because she wanted to be able to leave for work early without me being like, home.
- [79:41]
Ceruti
So think of all the camaraderie in the back of the bus, though, you know, you never had that.
- [79:46]
Kyle
Yeah, a lot of time to get up to stuff. I agree. But I just. I always thought because she was like, had my safety in mind, she just wanted to get out of work without me, like, rummaging through stuff in the house or whatever she thought I was going to be doing.
- [79:56]
Ryan Rosillo
So. Yeah, but just think about, like, how much later in life you would have learned about cigarettes and firecrackers.
- [80:01]
Kyle
Yeah, it's true.
- [80:04]
Ryan Rosillo
You wonder, though, if she had to sell that a little bit because those child truths later on in your. I mean, you get to. You have a. I've had a couple in my 40s. I'm like, that's what that was. And it's. It's traumatic. But she may have just told neighbor. She's like, you know, I'm still reading to him at night. All right. Thanks to Kyle, thanks to Ceruti, thanks to John Frius and also Wargon. He was with us in spirit, but that'll do it again. The full pod is now a video on Spotify. Check out our YouTube page. Iron Soulpodcastranch.