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The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Quitting the Bears, Jameis Is Back, and the Anthony Richardson Experience, Plus Oregon’s Dominance and the Best CFB Win With Todd McShay
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Ryan Russillo
You know the drill. On Mondays, we'll recap the week, the best win and a statement from a former Bears fan. My College football top 12. We'll dig into that deeper best win, some of the resume stuff with McShay Heisman. Also a revisit of the draft prospects of one Jameis Winston and he was in attendance for jets pats. So we have some stuff on that. Everyone from the show came over to visit me at my house and I taped this intro after we taped that segment. Apparently I thought it went better than it did. Life advice. So we've got a long one for you on a Monday. Enjoy Week eight. Okay, let's talk best wine. I'm sure we could go Cleveland here, but I think Philly deserves some love because it feels like it's been a little while since we actually talked about them being a good football team. So they beat Cincinnati 37 17. Week 4 After they lost the Bucks, they were 2 and 2. Felt like the head coach was out. People posting videos of Sirianni getting into it with fans. Now they're five and two playing the Browns. The Giants before Cincinnati certainly helps, but they were dominant in the second half yesterday, 27 7. They only had three first half possessions because of a monster possession from Cincinnati. They scored on six straight possessions. Hertz has nine total touchdowns in his last three weeks, hasn't thrown a pick since week three. Saquon's been great the last two weeks. It's the number one rushing offense in the NFL. Baltimore's number one. Nobody's catching Baltimore. They're like 30 yards better at number one than even Philadelphia. Is more on her center from hurt, something that they weren't having great success with earlier in the year. But it's something clearly they want to prioritize, even though they downplayed it. But it seems like it definitely showed up in the rushing attack yesterday. So 21 snaps from Hertz under center, which is high for him. And this defense that, you know, felt like they couldn't win a pass rush, but there was all this talent from the draft, like, what is up with these guys? Can they get some takeaways? Well, they're getting. They're getting the takeaways and they're holding opponents at five yards per play, which is six best in the NFL. Denver. Denver's defense is number one in that category. And it would make sense when you watch Denver's defense because it's really good. They're seventh in scoring defense. So look, here's the point is that things are coming together for the Eagles. For a team that when they were 2 and 2 with this roster, like how are they drafting all of these dudes? How do they have these two guys on the outside and they bring in Saquon and it's supposedly one of the best offensive lines. They got rid of the coordinators. Is this all in Sirianni? And I just don't think when you have a talented roster, I don't know, I think the guys go out there between the lines and play football. And maybe the NFL and college are more dictated by who's in charge of the whole thing, but just felt like the team was too good to be that disappointing, which is why we talked about how disappointing they were. But now they put together three really good weeks. Yes, lesser opponents previous to Cincinnati. I still think Cincinnati is a tough opponent, but this is a 5 and 2 football team that is back in the playoff picture. Baltimore could clearly be argued as the team. If you beat them, then that's the best win because Baltimore is maybe on the short list with the Chiefs and the Lions as the three, three best teams in the NFL. I'm not sure if everyone would agree with me, but that's kind of the way I'm feeling about it right now. Lions dominant again. Chiefs will get to Houston. Feels like they're overlooked a little bit. We'll get to them when we talk Colts, but if you're beating Cleveland, or excuse me, if you're Cleveland beating Baltimore, it's just that Phillies win feels like there's something building here and it's momentum. Whereas Cleveland's win is like, hey, Cleveland had a fun Sunday afternoon after not having very many all season long. They scored 20 points as a team for the first time this season and that's with James Winston as a starter. Touchdown drives of 70, 72 and 69 yards from the Browns in the second half. Getting Teller back in the offensive line certainly helps. Chubb has been back, but it wasn't like it felt pretty one dimensional from this Browns team yesterday. They're just going to drop back and chuck it. James went what, 27 of 41 for 334 yards. There's also that element of this Baltimore pass defense where statistically it tells you it's really disappointing that I was arguing against what the stats said because the resumes of opposing quarterbacks, what Baltimore had gone up against, like, look at that group. Don't worry about that number. Don't let Sony on TV tell you that they're fatally flawed because of their past defense. Well, this Feels a little bit different now, to be fair too, they were without corner Marlon Humphrey, who's been terrific. Also, Nate Wiggins was out in this one, but Cleveland moved the ball against them. So now I am perhaps more alarmed than I was about their past defense than I was before because I just thought, well, look at who they have played. I think at one point they played four of the top five guys at QBR. The NFL. Look, once Baltimore goes up 24, 23 in this one, there were two drop backs from Lamar where it was incomplete and they're probably two of my favorite Lamar plays all season long. They just will be. The way he is able to in the pocket seem like it's over and you know, it's never over. And then just finds a way to sort of eject himself back like he's in a James Bond car and he's just kind of magic. It's not even a hop. I guess it is. I mean, it has to be something that he's physically doing, but it'll just look like he is too inside the chaos to escape it. And then he just magically just pops directly backwards, like 3 or 4 yards, gets out of the way of everything and is able to make a throw. Although on these two that I'm talking about, Tim just getting away from everything, they were both incompletions and I wrote them down just because I enjoyed them that much. Anyway, once Baltimore goes up 24, 23, you're like, okay, this is a wrap. It's a fun little afternoon for Cleveland, but it's not going to matter. And then Cleveland has the football and we'll share this with you because nothing to not share. I sent Big Cat a text because I know those guys love Jameis. And I was like, this interception from Jameis on this drive is going to be awful. And he threw it. He threw the interception. The problem is Kyle Hamilton dropped it. And very shortly after that, touchdown game winner, Browns on the board. Kansas City is 7 and oh, and it doesn't feel like it. It's a bit like, I don't know if Indiana football is a fair comparison because Indiana football has not necessarily had the same level of success recently. Recent history is that they're not what the Chiefs are in the NFL, right? But maybe this analogy, boy, it sounds worse as I do it out loud, but stay with me here a little bit. The point is that Kansas City 70 and maybe it's because we take them for granted or maybe because you're watching me every single week and be like, it's this team actually this good. And they are with Mahomes because he just figures out the problems better than anyone playing that position. And he's certainly not having the best year of anyone playing that position. We've been over this. The offense is down, the defense is up, and there's just these games each week with Kansas City like this is a game again. They, they were up 17, 13. Mahomes is thrown from his own end zone. The ball is tipped. Ninth pick on the season for Mahomes, which leads the NFL. Both Baker and Jordan Love have nine a piece. Love leaving the game yesterday, alarming because he was hurt throughout so much of that game. So it wasn't really that final hit. When he left the game, it just looked like he was struggling physically. And they're worried and I'm alarmed as well as somebody who picked the packers to come out of the nfc. So the Raiders have the football. The Kansas City three yard line. Four plays later, a negative five yard drive. So like, all right, so they didn't pay for that interception from their own end zone with three yards to go. Raiders fumble Kansas City had on one of the ensuing scoring drives, they had a completion where Mahomes threw it to the intended receiver. It went over his head and the receiver behind him caught it. There's just all of these plays. It feels like more and more with Kansas City this season where you're like, that happened. I mean, if you hate them, you must absolutely hate watching him this year again staying undefeated, yet doesn't feel dominant because of the standard that we have for their offense. Houston wins at home against the Colts. They're 6 and 2 and today they're the 2 seed in the AFC. And I never like throwing this out there because it gets thrown out too much, because I'm not sure who's in track or who's in charge of keeping track of all this stuff. But it does feel like Houston's an afterthought. Maybe because it's not surprising, but even with last year's spike, a rookie QB doing something that we're not used to seeing, and Demico Ryan's feeling like he's finding a way with a defense that isn't loaded with names. Although I do really like their linebackers. You get the point. Like last year, the story is this is this big surprise and it's CJ Stroud. And yet this year CJ is arguably better in more numbers. He's going to have more picks this season than he did last year. He stayed really clean with a 23.5touchdown interception ratio, he's got four this year. So we'll pass that yards per attempt down a little bit. But when Nico's healthy, like, clearly he's better this year than he was last year. So they're a 2 seed in the AFC. But I don't. I don't know what the right way to talk about them is. Meaning, like, if they were doing. If they were bad last year, we were talking about them more because it was a surprise. And now that. Because it's not a surprise because they were good last year. But I don't know, they're just. They feel like a completely off the radar, really good football team. So this is another thing to throw in there, too. It's not the schedule. Their strength of schedule is tied for the toughest strength of schedule with Baltimore of any of the seven playoff projected teams today in the afc. So it's not really one of those deals. You're like, ah, they haven't really beat anybody. Although I think I've seen that argument made. All right. On the other side of this game is the Anthony Richardson experience. He's the worst starting quarterback of anyone who's actually a guy in the NFL. And it's bad. I mean, as bad as the numbers are, you have to kind of watch it for a couple hours to see, like, you know, when an NFL quarterback makes just an awful throw. And it just looks so weird because even the worst quarterbacks are usually pretty dialed into what you think they're supposed to be doing, even if it doesn't work out or somebody just doesn't miss. Like when a real starter misses a receiver by 10 yards and the ball's hitting the dirt, you'll notice it because it reminds you of how infrequently it will actually happen in a game. With Richardson, it happens all game long. And he hits the huge bomb just like he did in the beginning of the year. And people talk about his physical gifts, but those are cool videos, but the rest of it just isn't good. Now, if you want to tell me that somebody else is worse than him because of a spot starter, you want to tell me rattlers worse? Fine. You want to tell me rattlers backup painters worse from Fresno? Sure, you got me. But as far as dudes that were projected to be the guy, and it is their job, I don't know how you can make an argument that anybody's worse than him. He was 2 for 15 in the first half yesterday, 23 seconds left, third down from his own End zone, he throws the ball out. We can bitch about play calling, but if you're an NFL quarterback, like, you have to know risk, reward in that spot where you're like, okay, well, this probably won't make a ton of sense if we don't make the play, throws the pick seven yards later, one play. All of a sudden, Houston has a 17:10 lead at halftime for a game that was still 10:10. I mean, the Colts are 4 and 4, and that seems like a miracle. And so now you're left with this Richardson thing. I don't know how many people would disagree with me based on what they've seen this year, because it's really bad. I mean, he has. I think at this point, I wrote it down. He has 55 completions, he has 41 carries, and there's just all of these little things. And I know he's getting crushed today because it looked like when he was tackled, his left leg, he got hurt and he asked out of the game. And you're like, oh, this guy, he's hurt again. And then he just said, oh, straight up, I was tired. Like, that run took something out of me and I knew I was going to have it on the next play. That's just not going to go over well when you're not playing well. I'm not going to beat up on him a ton for it because I think the other part of this is that 4 and 4, who are you? Well, sure, you'd be better with Joe Flacco, but better at what? Maybe. Maybe sneaking into the playoffs to then do what? Likely get destroyed by a good team. So is it worth pulling the plug on Richardson, as bad as he's been, to do that, knowing that it would be better? And I know, like, week to week we go, hey, they have a better chance to win. That's. You just got to go out there. You owe it to the rest of the guys. Yeah, but you also owe it to yourself. When you spent the number four overall pick 18 months ago on Richardson, you owe it to yourself to confirm that you were wrong about the pick. So I have no issue with them running them back out there if he's healthy. How about a tweet? That was doing a lot. I saw one this weekend. It was my guy Greeny over at get up. Very disappointed with the jets. Quote. In a season filled with embarrassing performances, that was the worst the jets lost to the Pats. In a history filled with horrible seasons, this may be the worst. The jets of 2024 are one of the Truly colossal failures in recent sports memory. And it only gets worse from here. They're not good. Not telling you that they're good. I guess I just didn't feel like I was a part of history yesterday. Grant kids pulling up by the fire, Double R. What was it like when the jets lost the Pads? Yeah, I don't know. People hate the jets, though. Hate the jets. And Greeny loves the jets, so he's just very disappointed with all of that. All right, I have a final statement here. I told everybody I was a Bears fan this year because of my belief in Caleb Williams, a belief that I rarely have with first round quarterbacks because I just, as we know, we've covered it like, I don't know, maybe. But I thought Caleb was one of the most dynamic players I'd seen in college football. Rocky start, even rockier in comparison to the guy that went behind him in Jaden Daniels, who's been one of the best quarterbacks in football this season. So this was a top two pick showdown that I was invested in emotionally. It's not like I didn't think Jaden was going to be good. It just, you know, and even with the rib injury, Jaden was better. But I would say after seven games, I'm out. I don't want to do this anymore. So officially, I'm not a Bears fan. Caleb coming into this game was the only number one pick at quarterback to have a winning record through six games since 1970. So as bad as the first couple of weeks could be, things got a lot better for our guy. We know that, but he had 36 passing yards through three quarters. I'm not an excuse guy because I'm not a Bears fan anymore, so I'm not making excuses, but he was pressured on 52% of his drop backs. O line health was an issue in this one as well. But I found a positive for Caleb Williams in this game. Yeah, believe it or not, I did. He looked shot sitting on the bench as they were getting ready to end the first half. Like just, this isn't fun. And that front from Washington, how about my guy, Johnny Newton, Illinois? They're really good. I don't know if Washington's defense is really this good because prior like some of the offensive numbers, you could dig in all this stuff. But man, at least there's guys you can name all those years. Although Washington feels like their front four always have, has some names on it. But it looked so bad for Kev. Like, how is he going to respond? Well, respond, he did. He fought back three drives late, two touchdowns wrapped around a goal line fumble where they decided to hand it off to an old lineman and then still took the lead after that. So me, we, whatever Caleb, we all learned about resiliency from the number one pick. I think that's the positive. Then something else happened. Washington hit a hail Mary with two seconds left from 52 yards out on a tip ball where the tipped ball was tipped by a player that had his back to the scramble because he was talking shit to the fans. I do think a technology suggestion for broadcast on Hail Mary's let's have a little picture in picture. Just stick it in the lower right, maybe lower left actually from the well have it behind the quarterback dropping back so it doesn't interfere with the scanning of the football going into the end zone. But we can see the scrum live picture in picture while the quarterback is back there dancing the whole time. And we could see number 29 decide I'm going to talk shit to the fans while the play is live behind me. So tip ball, touchdown, Hail Mary and I'm out. I'm not even from there. So it was pretty easy to just stop being a Bears fan. This weekend the NBA is back and FanDuel, America's number one sportsbook, wants you to catch all the action. Because right now FanDuel is giving everyone three months of NBA League Pass. All you have to do to catch every tip off and buzzer beater is place any $5 bet on the NBA. All right. Lakers off to a great start. I would argue that the Wembanyama, Chris Paul, Dylan Brooks dust up was one of my favorite moments this 2425 season. Very early though. I'm also enjoying the James Harden thing. No I'm not. Yeah, and the Thunder are really good. So the next time you get a hunch on who is going to win or how many points a player will score, you can watch your picks come to life live. 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So, you know, normally when we were sitting there with four teams, we're looking at all this stuff and whether it was telling the truth or the sometimes it was lying or it's like, oh, at the time they were ranked or ranked now, I mean, whoever was putting those arguments together usually was trying to find a way to make the team that they were arguing for look a little bit better. And I'm sure I'm guilty of it sometimes, too. But look, with this one, Oregon's got Michigan, Maryland, Wisconsin and Washington and then a Big Ten title game. So I think you can already say Oregon's in because they could lose the Big Ten title game. I mean, I guess they could lose to one of those teams, but not likely. Georgia at number two in second place in the SEC still at Ole Miss. And then Tennessee back to back weeks coming up here shortly. I've got Penn State at 3. I thought that win against Wisconsin because Wisconsin's just a little bit better than they've been like I would think their last few weeks. They're better even though their quarterback's always good for interception, which was a huge turning point in this game. But Bo Prabula comes in right at the half aller who was limping around and you could see when he was leaving the sidelines like he was going in for treatment. Who's been the seventh best quarterback in Password in college football but Prabula Oddly enough, like sometimes you watch him out there, you're like, is he a better fit for this offense than Haller is? But you know, we've come around on Aller after the USC game. So look, the problem for this one is 10, seven Wisconsin and third pick six. Like I said, their quarterback's usually always good for a pick and that kind of turned the game. But Prabula was able to kind of just run it out and now I'm left with this. Am I going to find a way to talk myself into Penn State against Ohio State this upcoming week? Because I think I did it last year. I don't know if I picked them, but I the funny thing is, and here's the irony, I have Ohio State at 4 with their close win against Nebraska. That just looks bad considering Nebraska lost 56 to 7 in Indiana just a week ago. Right? Penn State fans know this routine and I try to tell you I had nothing to do with you. Has nothing to do with the campus. There's no history. I don't care. But I cared when we talked about teams having a chance to play for a national championship. Have you beaten just one really good team? Like is there one team that you've beaten that's really good? And I felt like looked at the expansion projections there would be these years at Penn State, as Fox broadcast shared with us a couple weeks ago during a Penn State game where it was like they would have in the four team system made the playoffs six times as opposed to making it zero times with the expanded 12 based on where their ranking was from the committee, you're like cool, but that's not really the point, is it? But that's going to be the point this year. And this is what I've tried to tell everybody this entire time. The irony of the whole explanation of what I'm trying to do here is that what if Ohio State loses to Penn State and then Ohio State beats Purdue? Northwestern, they've got that game with Indiana, so they beat Indiana. Indiana might be saving the Ohio State resume here a little bit, but Ohio State would still be in. They would still be in in the playoffs. So I guess the Indiana win would be enough because of how well they've played this year. Number five Miami, same as the ap. Number one in offensive yards per play beat up on Florida State who's on another quarterback. There's three undefeated teams in the ACC. Clemson's 5 0, Miami's 4 0. SMU is 4 0. Wait a minute, four undefeated teams because Pitts only played three conference games. So that's four undefeated teams in the ACC, at least in conference play. And Miami's not going to play any of them. So once again, expansion, awesome. No, because the conferences are so big now. Like, Miami's not going to play any of those teams. They'll have to play in an ACC championship. But, you know, like, what are we doing? All right. Texas at 6, a close one with Vandy. They were up 27 17. Vandy drops out of the polls now. They're, you know, they're an okay football team. So yours has not been the same guy. I think that's the alarming thing if you're a Texas fan. He just hasn't been the same guy since the injury. But they still have A and M on their schedule. I have A&M seventh. The AP has them 10th. Just a great Saturday night down there at that stadium. Just unbelievable. Second half, Marcel Reed comes in for Wigman, completely changes the game. LSU can't do anything with him. His keep his. His read option stuff. The one keeper at the mesh point where he kept there forever. Incredible. And Nussmeyer, who, you know, guys, I did the Saturday pod with McShay and Steve Mensch and you know, they were talking about like Nussmeyer being number one as far as quarterback rankings for the draft next year with how crispy was in the first half and how well he's played and the anticipation throws and all this different stuff. And then he's always good. Like Nussmeyer on third and 15, threw it to the lines and converted. And I knew, I was like, this is what you get with him because he's going to see it and be like, I think I can get this. And then he had a cam war type throw and then just the wheels fell off for all of that. But I still think LSU is a pretty good football team. And now A and M is 5 and oh, in first place in the SEC. I think 10 is just way too low for this team. They get South Carolina, New Mexico State, Auburn, and they will finish, as we just said, with Texas. Clemson, I have 8th. There's two teams tied in the AP at 11, so I have them 8th. Their offense is really good. How about this number 10th in yards per play this season. I couldn't believe when I looked it up. Clemson was 103rd in offense on yards per play in College football in 2023. So it's a lot better at number nine. I've got BYU. They beat UCF. Another team on their third quarterback. The defense is, I guess, good enough in the 40s on some of the stats, it's not terrible. 120 is not out of the question right now. BYU is favored by 17 at Utah, which no one would have predicted this summer. At number 10, I've got Iowa State. The only ranked team that they're going to be playing will be Kansas State, who's 17. So when I look at Iowa State and where they're at and how crazy the Big 12 is, like, it's just hard to find a way that many teams are going to get eliminated from this and then who's going to replace them. So I think a lot of these teams are already in, even though they're going to finish up with Kansas State. And is Kansas State even out of this thing? I mean, they're seven and one. They're not out of it either. So number 11 for me is Notre Dame. The AP has him at eight. They're going to be 11 and one with three ranked wins. I think they'll be 11 and one. They'll have probably the worst loss of any of these teams. They'll have ranked wins against A and M, which again, that win will look better. Navy, which is, you know, borderline, and then armies number 21 right now. So it'll be funny when people are arguing Notre Dame's resume based on the seating, you're like, look at their three ranked wins. It's not like there's teams out there going, yeah, we've got six of them. It's just hard to find them, especially with the new expanded schedules. At number 12, finally I have Indiana. Let's give it to the Hoosiers. The win against Washington was actually a game they closed it out. No Roark. Taven Jackson, the backup who actually lost his gig last season, was, was pretty good for him. And Justice Ellison, the running back has been a beast the last couple of weeks and he was terrific against the Huskies. But there is, there is worth, like looking at this quickly here. Ohio State at 10 and 2 with the Indiana win now, and that's the whole point of, like Indiana here is they could actually save Ohio State in the argument because if they're fourth in the AP and they lose a close game to Penn State, Ohio State's still going to be in. If they beat Indiana, I don't even know that there's going to be much debate about it, but will they be really that good? I mean, it seems crazy to think Ohio State wouldn't be one of the 12 best teams in the country. I'm not even saying that but there's some real benefit of the doubt stuff happening there. As far as the SEC overloading this, I don't know. I don't know if that's going to happen. You've got Georgia, you've got Texas. I did not rank Tennessee. Tennessee is ranked in the ap. The AP still loves Tennessee. Hell, you want to talk about Alabama, love. ESPN's Football Power Index has Alabama 3 still, so don't tell Canal. There's just a lot of, like, it's not chaos. It actually seems like very little chaos where you're going to get done with some of these teams going. I don't know if they beat anybody. Like, all right, let's go play for a national championship. And by the way, Colorado could go 9 and 3, 10 and 2 the start of the year. Totally wrong thought. They just carry over last year. Couldn't block. Totally undisciplined. Not a very good football team. Constantly talking about him certainly became annoying. And now that I don't know, it's funny, like, people just started I. And I was in the group, too, being like, all right, I don't want to talk about the Buffaloes anymore. Look at their schedule. They might win nine. They maybe could win 10 games this year. And we'll see Mondays. That means Todd McShay, who also has his new podcast out from the Ringer on Spotify, available everywhere. The McShay show out Saturday nights. I did a recap with he and Steve Mensch was a blast. After A&M's nice win against LSU. It'll be out on Tuesdays and Thursdays. So a lot going on for our guy Todd. What's up, dude?
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Todd McShay
I think that Saturday night show is going to quickly become the favorite thing I do in work all week, every week. I mean, to get you on kind of texting a little. Like, when are we starting this thing to get you on, like, from your, your living room or wherever you were in that palace on Manhattan beach without, without sleeves, kind of, you know, a little like. It's like, kind of like talking to a scout who's been on the road for two months. A little bit ornery, but I don't know, it just, it felt like our. The old days of like sitting at a bar, you know, just. Just talking ball. And it didn't feel like we were on air. And that's kind of the whole goal. So anyway, I. I had a lot of fun.
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Ryan Russillo
Mission accomplished. Because I thought once we got warmed up, I. When we got done, I was like, that was. That was a Lot of fun. I. Yeah, I was. So thanks for having me on. Okay, so off of that, because we did a lot on LSU A&M. You can go into that. And they talk some quarterbacks, which I, I really enjoyed doing, hanging with two guys that do this for a living. But I wanted to look at, as I did my top 12 this morning, and I was looking at it last night, and I just started thinking, like, some of these teams are going to have these really weird resumes, and this is the expansion of 4 to 12. Something. I was arguing about you entire time, like, all right, cool. Like, the games will be good, extra money, the whole deal, but, like, there's going to be some weird resumes in there. So let's go through a few things, a few exercises here of the projected, you know, or in the neighborhood so you don't have to be 12th in the AP and eliminate everybody else. But I think most of the answers are going to be amongst that group of teams. Who has the best win?
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Todd McShay
I would say Oregon for a couple of reasons. Oregon over Ohio State.
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Ryan Russillo
Sorry.
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Todd McShay
For a couple of reasons. I. I think. I think we all watched. Let's start back preseason, right? You included. A lot of people were like, hey, like, watch out for Oregon. They, like, they. They may win the whole thing or they may, you know, very likely could be in that top four. Not, not that it matters as much, but that they could be one of the top seeds in this. And then they came out, the first three games, I think it was, and you and I were texting and talking, and the offensive line didn't play great. They weren't dominating inferior opponents. And I started to wonder, all right, great. Like, you know, Phil Knight opened up the pocketbook. Go out and grab any player you want. But is this a team? Are they physical enough? Are they the type of team that can compete against an Ohio State or one of the top dogs in the nation? And to that point, like, at that point of the season going into Ohio State, I was not convinced. And I know you were kind of a little bit worried about your preseason pick of Oregon winning it all. And then they came out and they played as a team. They played with physicality.
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Ryan Russillo
They were.
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Todd McShay
They were the better team in the trenches on both sides of the ball in that game, in my opinion. And they were able to hold out, you know, hold off Ohio State at the end there and got a huge win. So just based on, like, I guess from my opinion, it all changed with that game. And since then, my goodness, like Illinois this past week, That's a good Illinois team, not a great team, but that's a good team where if they had won by 7, 10, I would have been like, that's a nice win. They kicked Illinois's ass. I mean, top to bottom, beginning to end, it was just dominant. So I think, you know, from a perspective, perception standpoint, it was a critical game for Oregon, but also for a confidence standpoint, I feel like that game galvanized the Oregon Ducks.
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Ryan Russillo
Agree on everything he said. It was the first two weeks Gabriel got sacked seven times. Then he went four weeks without being sacked. They weren't risk really running the football, and now they can run the football and they have weapons everywhere. And I think physically there was no question. There was. There was no gap in that Ohio State game. So I agree with everything he said, except for that being the best win. I think it's Georgia going into Texas.
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Todd McShay
Okay.
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Ryan Russillo
Because there was no doubt, like Ohio State. It's. It isn't the moral victory because it's Ohio State and the standards. There's a few things there. And look, Oregon was unlucky in the start of that game, so, you know, however you want to play it out. I didn't feel like, oh, there's no way Ohio State would have won this game. I felt like there was no way Texas was winning that game as we were watching it play out.
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Todd McShay
I agree.
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Ryan Russillo
So. And it's on the road. Yeah. And it really comes. It comes down to two. Like, who do you think is better right now, Texas or Ohio State?
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Todd McShay
Hmm. Who? Right this second? I wonder what Vegas would have. My guess is neutral site. Texas would be favored by three.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah, probably.
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Todd McShay
I would. Slight lean Texas. Great question, though. I love it. I just don't trust Ohio State yet. I don't think Texas is playing up to its standard. I don't think Quinn with the oblique injury is 100%. I think we've seen that. That's been proven. But I think as a team, you know, this would have been an easy spot. Last week. They struggled. It was lackadaisical, but they were sluggish, I thought. But. But I think Texas is a slightly better team, top to bottom, more explosive offensively when things are clicking. But, yeah, that's a good one.
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Ryan Russillo
More explosive than Ohio State because I think that's the only reason they're surviving.
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Todd McShay
I think I trust their offense more. Yeah, I do. Yeah.
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Ryan Russillo
I mean, I'm probably just talking about, like, the big play. All right. Maybe not consistent enough.
- [34:07]
Todd McShay
I trust that they're not going to.
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Ryan Russillo
Get go Ahead, I look, I don't think there's any debate on the best win thing. We can disagree. But it's funny as I like, I don't even disagree.
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Todd McShay
I just think like the perception for the Oregon. But yeah, I'm cool with Texas, Georgia.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah. But as we're going through it, my instinct was I trust Texas more. Like, I don't care what the AP poll says. I trust Texas more. But then I'm like, yeah, but what do. What do you trust? Like a different viewers after the injury because he has.
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Todd McShay
I trusted different viewers a little bit. I trust if Ewers rounds into shaping, gets healthy, I trust it. Let's put it this way. I think it's more likely that yours rounds into shape than it is for Ohio State to fix their issue on the left side of the offensive line, where they were basically down in their third left tackle and the second one, even before he got nicked up, was not performing this past week. And that's a problem. When Josh Simmons went down at left tackle, I'm not saying he's, you know, Jonathan Ogden or like, you know, Willie Roafe or someone like that, but he, but he was playing at a high level and NFL scouts I was talking to were like, he might be the next dude, you know. And so when he went down, you could see like they couldn't. They weren't able to establish the run and it was a problem protecting on the left side. So, like, I trust that yours is going to get better faster than Ohio State's going to fix the left side of their offensive line.
- [35:28]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, okay. I, I think we're on the same page with that answer. Here's another thing off of Ohio State, though, last year, kind of buying into the Aller stuff. And it was before the Ohio State Michigan games. Right. I remember. I don't think I picked Penn State. Maybe I did. I may have just said, like, I'm going for it. You know, like, let's, let's see what happens. If it's not this year, then when you know that type of deal. They were 6 and 0 and they're at number three Ohio State and Aller was 18 of 42. None of the receivers get any separation whatsoever. I don't know that McCord, like McCord had some games against. I mean, there's a reason McCord's not in Columbus anymore on top of everything else. But are you allowing yourself and we still don't. I don't know as of this taping, the extent of the Aller injury, but Prabula was terrific. I mean, he adds a completely different element to this.
- [36:26]
Todd McShay
I kind of like Bo.
- [36:28]
Ryan Russillo
All right. Is he a better fit for this new offensive coordinator? I. That might not even be debatable, right? And Aller's been so good that, like.
- [36:36]
Todd McShay
After the US has elevated his game, more people have asked me question about where's Alar getting drafted? More scouts I've talked to about, like, coming into this past week, it was kind of like. And it was a little bit more early in the season, but Nussmeyer and Aller were the two. Like, hey, like, their games, like, this is. This is interesting, you know, that I, I think Nuss Meyer is a better prospect than. Than Allor is, but Aller was playing at a different level than he had, you know, in previous years and certainly last year. So. But, man, I liked Bo. I didn't know what to expect. You know, you. You see Aller crying and goes and hugs him and. And, you know, devastated that he couldn't finish out that game last week against Wisconsin. And I'm like, oh, you know, and all along, the only thing in my mind that mattered was, can they obviously get through this? But we get. We got a big one next week, Ohio State. What's. How's this going to play out? And then the more I watch, what was he, 11 or 13? Protected the football, you know, like, he looked.
- [37:37]
Ryan Russillo
I just.
- [37:37]
Todd McShay
There's something about, like, sometimes guys come in and you can tell within the first three, four snaps, like, moments too big, he's not ready. Every snap he took, I gained confidence in him. It's not like he gained confidence. I started to get like, oh, okay, we're. We're all right. We're all right here. And, yeah, maybe. Maybe he is a better fit.
- [37:59]
Ryan Russillo
All right, good answer on that. But I think what I'm trying to figure out here is the momentum of Penn State even as we wait on the Aller News. But Tyler Warren, finally on the Heisman odds list, probably not going to be in New York, right? You know, there's the seven or eight names you can go to with Penn State, and it's not like Ohio State. You can't, you know, name a million guys. But are you mentally, like, thinking Penn State can do it this year?
- [38:28]
Todd McShay
I don't trust no.
- [38:29]
Ryan Russillo
Okay. All right.
- [38:32]
Todd McShay
Like, I'm sorry.
- [38:34]
Ryan Russillo
All right.
- [38:34]
Todd McShay
I'm so, so sorry. How. Who in their right mind can trust a James Franklin Penn State team in this spot? And James can hear this and he can yell and he can motivate his team and get. But, like, we're here to deal in facts, and facts are generated by history and trends. And what do you. What's your counter to that? Penn State. It's not that they don't show up.
- [39:01]
Ryan Russillo
That.
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Todd McShay
It's not like they always, like, lay an egg, like, oh, that wasn't their best perform. It's. They just. They're not there. We've been saying this for years. They're just. They're not there. Fred Franklin has said it in press conferences, like, if we want to be. If we want to take it to another level, we've got. These are the games we've got to win. We're not there. So, like, they're better this year. There's no question about it. I want to believe. But. But until I actually see it with my own two eyes, how can anyone sit there and be like, I trust him? And the other thing, too, like, it's one of those. Ohio State didn't look great. Struggled this past week. You know, you watch the Nebraska game. They should have had a big lead at the half. They didn't. They let Nebraska into it. They couldn't run the football consistently. All those things that we've talked about, the offensive line. But Ohio State's going to bring a different brand of football to the field this Saturday. I'm pumped up. We have Joel Klatt. I'm only here to promote my show. Joe Klatt's joining us tomorrow. I'm just playing with you, man. But Joel Klatt's going to join tomorrow. He's covering that game. I can't, can't wait to talk to him and see, you know, who he's talked to tape. He's watched all that stuff. But this game's huge. And there's no way Ohio State doesn't put a different brand of football on the field this Saturday.
- [40:19]
Ryan Russillo
It. That's the thing, is it sets up for a perfect spot after the Nebraska game.
- [40:24]
Todd McShay
Exactly.
- [40:24]
Ryan Russillo
You're watching it every week. You kind of talking to yourself into it a little bit. And even though Prabula was terrific, like, I just would rather have Aller in this game because of what he went through and how incredibly disappointed he was at the end of last year, basically because of the two games, the Ohio State and the Michigan game, which was, I think, even worse. But what I, what I can't help but realize here is like, are you gonna, are you gonna trick yourself into this because of what Ohio. Because you're right. Ohio State's going to be like, they'll probably just be different and the history will be the same. Ohio State's won 11 of the last 12, six straight. Okay. Worst loss of any of the potential playoff teams.
- [41:06]
Todd McShay
Notre Dame, NIU, Northern Illinois, 28 point favorite. Right. They out got. They got out. It's not like it was a fluke or they got outgained by 102 yards in that game. And you got to remember at the time, like, that A and M win didn't. A and M kind of was sputtering. What's going on at quarterback? You know, this is the same old A and M and all that. So since then, that A and M win looks great, and it was an ugly game early in the season, all that. But that, for a resume builder, that's huge. A and M is 10 this week in the. In the poll, coming off the LSU win. So, like the perception of Notre Dame, my thought after that game was, oh, man, I gotta love Marcus Freeman. This is gonna be another rough year. They're just not there. And I'm not saying that they're there like, you know, contending for a national championship, but this is a damn good football team. Notre Dame has got a damn good football team. I love Jeremiah, love the running back. I think he's the real deal. They're. They're running the ball. They're balancing things out. I think the passing game is always going to be a challenge, but I think it's improving. The defense is really good. This is a really good team. But at that moment, I thought that that was like, like, take a Sharpie with the rankings and just like, like, Notre Dame's gone and it hasn't been the case. They've overcome it.
- [42:31]
Ryan Russillo
The A and M win is going to look better and better, and they weren't great, but Riley Leonard's been better.
- [42:37]
Todd McShay
Yep.
- [42:37]
Ryan Russillo
And the funny thing is they're going to have three ranked wins here if they take care of business and then end up being army, where two of the ranked teams are going to be Navy and Army here. But there's just. I don't really know who else you'd even include in the conversation, like, how deep you would have to go because it's still worse. I mean, Northern Illinois is 4 and 4. They just lost the Ball State, right? Bam. Bama losing to Vanity. If you want to go beyond who's top 12 in the AP, like, how far you have to go to find the other loss that's there. Is it Kentucky at home for Ole Miss? No, like, there's just.
- [43:12]
Todd McShay
Although the way Kentucky's playing since. Yeah, but that's.
- [43:17]
Ryan Russillo
That's what I'm doing here. Like, I'm trying to find someone else in the top 25 that has. You asked the question.
- [43:22]
Todd McShay
Not me.
- [43:23]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, but I'm just telling you, I can't. I can't really find it because the. The Vandy loss is not a bad. I mean, there were ranks. Yeah. Right.
- [43:35]
Todd McShay
Van is a good.
- [43:35]
Ryan Russillo
Okay.
- [43:36]
Todd McShay
Yeah. All right.
- [43:37]
Ryan Russillo
So when I was looking through the SEC stuff, you've got Georgia, you've got Texas, you've got Tennessee. I would not. I didn't even rank Tennessee in my top 12.
- [43:47]
Todd McShay
You didn't?
- [43:49]
Ryan Russillo
No. I have A and M ahead of them. There's no way.
- [43:52]
Todd McShay
I just wrote because you said you wanted to talk about the SEC in the top 12. Georgia, too. I'm cool with Texas 6. I might have them at 5. I would. Tennessee would be in for me.
- [44:05]
Ryan Russillo
That's fine. That's fine. I. I'm just trying to pull up. I put Indiana in at 12, and I just. I put the other teams. I put Tennessee behind. Not that I think there's a state.
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Todd McShay
Does Iowa State belong?
- [44:18]
Ryan Russillo
I think they do. I've had them ranked now for a couple weeks in my.
- [44:22]
Todd McShay
I gotta watch more. I'll be honest. I gotta watch more of them. I gotta watch a little bit more byu. Those are the two teams.
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Ryan Russillo
Let's do this exercise because it might not be the SEC fest that people thought it would be at the beginning, but in comparison to what? Right. How many teams in the SEC would you pick to win the Big 12? Let's do it that way.
- [44:43]
Todd McShay
Okay. That's a better question. All right, so I'll go by Georgia's 1, Texas 2.
- [44:48]
Ryan Russillo
Right.
- [44:49]
Todd McShay
A&M is 3, Tennessee's 4, Alabama's 5, LSU 6, Ole Miss is 7.
- [44:59]
Ryan Russillo
You'd pick Ole Miss to win the Big 12?
- [45:01]
Todd McShay
Yes, sir. Yes. And I'll stand on it. I'm not like, yeah, maybe I will stand on that. I will. Ok. No, like, you get down number Missouri.
- [45:12]
Ryan Russillo
I'm not there. Why?
- [45:14]
Todd McShay
I'm not sure. Vandy doesn't win the Big 12.
- [45:18]
Ryan Russillo
You are way more down on him than I thought. I thought I was, like, at least fair between BYU, Iowa State and K State. Still 7 and 1. Yeah.
- [45:28]
Todd McShay
I like K State. I think K State's potentially, potentially better. And I just admit it. I have watched byu. I have watched Iowa State. I have not spent as much time watching those two teams as I have Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, Miami, all these other programs. So I'm not sitting here and just trashing the Big 12 because, like, they're. It's a good. It's. Honestly, it's a better conference than I thought. BYU's better than I thought. Iowa State's better than I thought. Kansas State's a good team. From what I've seen, like, they're a good team. And by the way, don't count out Colorado. The way Colorado's playing, they could be.
- [46:05]
Ryan Russillo
A nine or ten win team, man. And the first couple weeks in, I was like, I'm over it. I'm done. I don't want to talk about it anymore. And now they've just put together a really nice run where you could say the schedule isn't that tough. But, like, look at what that conference is about. Look what that conference is about to do to itself in the last month.
- [46:20]
Todd McShay
Right?
- [46:21]
Ryan Russillo
So. Yeah. All right, so seven. Ole Miss, I think is pushing it, but I can't get mad. How about them with their callaway smoke helmets? I think LSU WINS the Big 12. I'm not sure if I can go there with Ole Miss, but I like Jackson Dart way more in the quarterback conversation when you come back.
- [46:45]
Todd McShay
Sacks this past week. They're better defensively at times. Not always, but.
- [46:50]
Ryan Russillo
Well, Oklahoma's a joke.
- [46:52]
Todd McShay
It's Oklahoma's a joke. They cannot. Is it 19 sacks they've allowed in the last two weeks?
- [46:57]
Ryan Russillo
I think it was nine against Ole Miss. And at one point when the game was still in the balance, Jackson Arnold was sacked five times over seven plays. Five times over seven, like when you needed to have it. And you know, you can get on him for saying, well, if, you know.
- [47:12]
Todd McShay
I got news for you too. Beaten.
- [47:13]
Kyle
Bob, Their.
- [47:13]
Todd McShay
Their offensive line coach, like, respected in the NFL, is the best offensive line coach in, in college football, like, truly.
- [47:21]
Ryan Russillo
So, yeah, we've talked about. Yeah, we talked about Oklahoma always. Every year you're like, oh, there's two guys are going to get drafted. But I do think Jackson Dart doesn't get talked about at all in the draft stuff. He had two plays in that Oklahoma game. There was one where he gets flushed out. The first thing isn't there. He's running to his right and he leads the receiver back at the numbers, like inside of the defender. And there's just some awareness stuff with Jackson that I think is further along with with him than it is, you know, a lot of the other guys you're watching on Saturday. All right, so maybe we just. Yeah, no, he has. He also, like, is all first team does he care if he gets cut in half today? No. No, he doesn't. He doesn't care. He would have to lose that in the NFL. All right, so let's do the. I'm not going to draft Jackson D. My Heisman thing here. Our Heisman stuff. As of right now, I don't know if there'll be any changes. I believe you pick first this week. Here's what we have. Todd has Cam Ward, Genty Club. Nick, I have Hunter, yours. And Gabriel, you were. Who do you have again? I've got Travis Hunter, I've got Quinn Ewers, and I've got Dylan Gabriel. So I'm actually in a better spot than I thought. I just should have never allowed you to have the Ashton Gentee pick. Should have boxed you out of that.
- [48:38]
Todd McShay
Yeah, I mean, Hunter. I mean, Hunter's coming off a massive game.
- [48:44]
Ryan Russillo
You know, he's number two right now. Cam Ward's now number three on FanDuel. Cam Ward had been, like, number one for Heisman Odds, and it's Gabriel, Hunter Ward. So actually, I'm doing better here than I thought. I was just so pissed about the Gentry week.
- [48:59]
Todd McShay
Yeah. I don't find, like, Gabriel's number one. I just don't see Gabriel winning the whole thing. Winning the Heisman.
- [49:07]
Ryan Russillo
Well, I'm not going to tell you how to do your board, so I'm not going to say.
- [49:09]
Todd McShay
Yeah, but then again, like, who are they going to lose to? Yeah, I don't like these odds. They suck. I'm looking at them now, so I'm pausing. I know it doesn't make for. For a good show, but anyway, not.
- [49:21]
Ryan Russillo
The best stuff we've done.
- [49:22]
Todd McShay
No, it's not. It's not, but.
- [49:23]
Ryan Russillo
So you could also not do anything, but you might be worried about me picking up somebody.
- [49:28]
Todd McShay
I don't. Who am I going to pick up? Nussmeyer Milro.
- [49:34]
Ryan Russillo
You may have picked him up after the first half, in my opinion.
- [49:37]
Todd McShay
We have the six guys. Well, five of them. We have five of the guys that should be there and are the most likely to win.
- [49:45]
Ryan Russillo
What if I am? Alia has that game, though. What if he, like, finally has that game?
- [49:49]
Todd McShay
Yeah. Genti Hunter, Gabriel Ward, Club Nick. Yeah, I mean, we've got the five of the six, so who are you gonna. Who are you gonna swap? You're not.
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Ryan Russillo
I'm gonna drop.
- [50:01]
Todd McShay
Right.
- [50:02]
Ryan Russillo
I'm gonna drop yours, and I'm just gonna pick up Carson Beck for the weird, like, Georgia wins the SEC thing. I mean, I don't. I don't think he's even been that good at all. So, look, I'm picking the sixth guy here who's not even going to be in New York.
- [50:21]
Todd McShay
Yeah. So if Travis Hunter wasn't on Colorado, I would tell you to snag Shador because what he's doing is phenomenal.
- [50:27]
Ryan Russillo
But, yeah, Shador's not getting enough love with any of this stuff.
- [50:31]
Todd McShay
Right.
- [50:33]
Ryan Russillo
Maybe I'll do that instead. You know what? Thank you. I'm not going to take Beck Cerudi. Put me down for Shador, learn how to pronounce his name when I pick him. Next time. Last thing on college before we get a couple NFL thoughts, because McShay was actually at the Patriots game yesterday. I love doing this with you. And just those moments of like, who the hell is that guy? Jordan James been a dude. Tyler Warren has been a dude before on this. I'm going to offer up because, you know Benjamin Morrison for Notre Dame is out, right? Hip surgery.
- [51:03]
Todd McShay
Yes.
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Ryan Russillo
And he's projected to be a first round pick, correct?
- [51:06]
Todd McShay
Yes, he is. Yes.
- [51:07]
Ryan Russillo
All right, so Leonard Moore, number 15 corner for Notre Dame. He had a couple moments against Navy where I had to, like, do a little deep dive on this dude. So I'm just. I.
- [51:19]
Todd McShay
Would you text me 15 Fr. Freshman Notre Dame. Who is this dude? You know, like, those are my favorite texts.
- [51:28]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, I don't.
- [51:28]
Todd McShay
I. I haven't even. I'm sending this text to you before I even Google what the. You know, the roster for Notre Dame.
- [51:36]
Ryan Russillo
That.
- [51:36]
Todd McShay
That's what I love.
- [51:37]
Ryan Russillo
Yep. So he's just 15 fresh.
- [51:40]
Todd McShay
What'd you find out?
- [51:41]
Ryan Russillo
Well, he's been tasked with a big responsibility with Morrison out. Morrison's been talking to him week by week. Just a couple plays where that Notre Dame secondary is the strength of the team. And Morrisoning out is a huge blow. But to see this guy who's had to play some major snaps, I just. It was just. It was just a moment, a fleeting moment of knowing who the guys are for the most part on Saturdays and then going, who's that guy? Like bowling Greens. Tight end.
- [52:08]
Todd McShay
Bowling Green's tight end. I love it. All right, I'll give you a guy. Penn State watching that game, a mean van over. He's a senior, 6 4, 2, 58. Played in just. I had to look him up, you know, because he's pressure after pressure. It turns out he had five pressures in that game. Five hurries in that game. The top win rate, I guess I looked up and saw something like 20. I think it was PFF had 15.4% pass rush, win rate of 27 pass rush snaps. But I'm watching the game and I'm like, I know Abdul Carter. I know some of these dudes. And then the fact that he's a senior. Amin Van over, and I don't know anything about him, so I looked him up. He played in eight games as a backup last year. He only has a half a sack. But the fact that when you got a guy like Carter on the opposite side and you got a senior who's emerging, they've always got dudes in the front seven. Penn State always has dudes. And I'm not saying Van over is going to be a star. I'm not going to say he's going to be even a draft pick. I'm just saying I watched that, and I didn't know. I had never heard the name Van over before. And to see that he was the most consistently disruptive defensive lineman for Penn State. And the reason why it was exciting and interesting to me is now we got Ohio State this week, and we've got an Ohio State team that's down to its second, maybe third left tackle. Can this guy Van over, who's kind of breaking out right now, keep that up and have some big spots against Ohio State? So that's one guy. There's another one, too. And I know USC is, like, not on the radar right now, massively disappointing season, but I've kind of wondered, like, who's going to step up and be another weapon for this team? And the first four. First five games, Makai Lemon, who's a sophomore, just 511, 180 pounds, he. He had seven catches the last three games. He has 18 catches for 296 yards. I didn't do a deep dive, but he missed one of those first five games, so I'm guessing nicked up, wasn't 100%, but. And again, I haven't studied USC as much because they're not winning and playing at that level. But. But Lemon, to me, really, really jumped out the last last few weeks. But this past week specifically.
- [54:27]
Ryan Russillo
All right, well done. We went deep on that one. Yeah. Because Vanover, I don't. He was never on my radar. And you're right. Penn State always feels like these have these guys. And as you're saying it, I was like, who? And then it's like, they're five. He's been there five years.
- [54:42]
Todd McShay
Okay.
- [54:43]
Ryan Russillo
A couple things on the NFL, I like to do these revisits of the draft. Jameis Winston Gets the win Yesterday, chucks it 41 times. Doesn't have that horrible Jamis turnover where I said this in the open. So you don't know this. When they took the ball over down 24, 23, I texted somebody, was like, this Winston pick is about to be all time, like, horrible. This is going to be awful. And he threw him. Yeah. And Kyle Hamilton drops it.
- [55:08]
Todd McShay
He threw it for you. Yeah.
- [55:10]
Ryan Russillo
I mean, and then it was funny because I got the text back, of.
- [55:12]
Todd McShay
All dudes, Kyle Hamilton drops it.
- [55:15]
Ryan Russillo
Right. Probably my favorite safety in the NFL. So I remember that draft, the Winston Mariota draft. And we were actually both together in Manhattan beach, and I was like, will you just pull up your program and take me through what it is that you see that I can't see, that I am not educated enough. I don't understand what it is. And you started throwing me Winston's throws in the anticipation on his throws. And then you started showing me Marietta's throws going, look at, like, they're just not the same throws. It's not the same thing. And it was like a 30 minute tutorial that McShay gave me. I remember I went, okay. And I was like, okay, from this point on, I am convinced I will not. And I don't know where I was with it prior to that session. This Ted, this Todd talk, if you want to call it that, and you're like, mariota is not Winston. And it's. And it's played out that way. But I think it's interesting to always kind of do this every few weeks with you on where is Winston's career based on your expectations for him before the draft?
- [56:18]
Todd McShay
I recognize the flaws. I recognize the. Just like his speeches and what everyone's come to love about Jameis is the emotional tie. Right. Like, we're all emotionally tied to Jameis. And for a long time I was like, oh, gosh, all right.
- [56:37]
Ryan Russillo
I'm kind of like, I don't really care.
- [56:43]
Todd McShay
But now it's become a thing. Like the Jameis speeches and his pregame.
- [56:47]
Ryan Russillo
All that people really like it.
- [56:49]
Todd McShay
Yes. You don't have to love it, but I'm just saying it's a thing we can agree on. It's a thing. But my point in all this is that same emotion you could see in his game, like, when you're making decisions sometimes. He's a smart dude. I think he's gotten smarter and more like watching his tape. I think he reads things, he processes things. His anticipation has always been really good. But there were always A few plays a game where it's like the emotions got the best of him. He pushed it too far. Right. And so that was always a thing coming out. But as I gave you at the Shade Hotel and the great film set up just a little backdrop on it. My favorite week of the year, professionally, every year, NFLPA game came into existence. All Star Game. Everyone knows the Senior Bowl. Everyone knows the East, West, Shrine Game. But ESPN got rights to the NFL PA game. And we probably had, like, 8,000 people watching the game. And what ESPN didn't realize is that me and my guy, Kevin Widel, who's now with the Baltimore Ravens as a scout, doing an amazing job, but he was with me for, like, 12 years. We would go out to the NFL PA game before we'd go down. It was the week before going down to Mobile for the Senior bowl, and we would post up at the Shade Hotel and we had a blast. We would go out at night, we would have dinners, we'd have a couple cocktails, all that. But we grinded tape. Like, I. We must have been the only two in the history of the Shade that would spend about 10 hours a day in the room with the Pacific Ocean as the backdrop with, like, a cute little fireplace thing in there with that. With the, like, the sauna in the middle of the bedroom.
- [58:26]
Ryan Russillo
The porn tub.
- [58:27]
Todd McShay
And the porn tub. And it's two dudes hats on backwards, like, ripping Diet Pepsis and all that stuff. Watching tape with the coach's clicker.
- [58:39]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah.
- [58:39]
Todd McShay
So it was a weird scene, but those.
- [58:42]
Ryan Russillo
It's like an Austin Powers hotel room for those that don't understand.
- [58:45]
Todd McShay
Yeah, that's a good way to explain.
- [58:46]
Ryan Russillo
It's just.
- [58:46]
Todd McShay
It's. Until you walk into one, you can't really understand it. So. So, yeah, so that would be my. We would spend, like, eight days there every year to do this, like, small little NFL PA game. And Roso would come by and watch tape every once in a while and some other people who lived in Manhattan Beach. But. But Jameis, to me, had the tools to be a really good NFL starter. His career was not what I hoped it to be, but I always questioned, is he going to be able to knock out some of the bad habits and some of the things that get. Get him in trouble? And. And, you know, Mariota, while, you know, I love the system he was in, I loved how he operated it. I loved his, you know, just, like, competitiveness and all those. Those things. I never thought he was going to be a good starting NFL quarterback. Never. I truly Did. And so that. That to me is the difference. And it's good to see Jameson get another shot. I mean, to see that Cleveland offense operate the way it operated yesterday. Yesterday against that defense with that guy coming in for and replacing the guy with that contract that he had. It's pretty cool to watch.
- [59:50]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. Look, it's the only time they've scored over 20 all season long.
- [59:53]
Todd McShay
That's wild, man.
- [59:55]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah.
- [59:55]
Todd McShay
And he was the third string quarterback. You understand that, right?
- [59:59]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, I saw something about that where, I mean, look, DTR came in, so I guess I shouldn't debate it at all.
- [60:06]
Todd McShay
I guess it wasn't. It wasn't like Jamis was clear cut back up, like he was ready to come in if something happened. Like that wasn't. That was not the case.
- [60:14]
Ryan Russillo
Right. You, because you went to the Pats game. Is there anything that you can tell us about Drake May before he was in concussion protocol?
- [60:22]
Todd McShay
We look good.
- [60:23]
Ryan Russillo
Okay. All right. He looked good. Like he brought.
- [60:26]
Todd McShay
He brought energy to the Patriots offense and they were struggling. I mean, I never get to go sit in the stands. I brought my 10 year old son, Tate. We had a blast. I mean, thank you to the Patriots. Thank you to the jets on the field before. My son's an idiot and an animal. He just walked like, you know, they rope off the sidelines. He walks up and I'm talking to Jerry Madelon. Our days at espn. I see GMAT there. So I'm hugging Jerry and catching up a little bit, and I look over and my son is now in the fricking end zone. And I'm like, oh, no. You know, like Joe Douglas and Stacy James who got me, take us from the Patriots. I'm like, oh, man. Like, so I'm like, all right, like, Jerry, I gotta go, my son. And I look over and he. And he's like, hey, what's up with his hand Taped with his hand up and it's at Braylon Allen. They come out of the tunnel, he's like high legging, getting warmed up. And Braylon comes up and you get this 10 year old with his hand up. And Braylon's like, looks around like, is someone punking me? Why is this guy. Why is this 10 year old on the field? And he's like, hey, little dude, slap some five. So that's how my day started. So anyway, we get in the stands, we're watching the game. Two takeaways I had. Drake May is bringing energy. They don't trust him as a passer yet. It's all about running the ball. You know, they're trying to win with defense, special teams, they got a big return, but I was more, I don't know, I was pleased with what I saw and I was kind of like, he's got a chance, man, if they get some weapons eventually, if they can protect and all those things. But I just. He's starting to gain confidence. His running ability, his ability to extend plays. He's got a chance if they can, if they can put things around him. So that was.
- [62:17]
Ryan Russillo
It feels like a, it feels like a vibe evaluation. He threw six passes before he was out of the game. So.
- [62:24]
Todd McShay
Yes, but, but then Brissette comes in the game and the offense just dies. The life comes out of the offense. The life comes out of the stadium. It's just conceding after conceding, after conceding. Run the ball, short passes. It's like third and third and six. He throws a two yard pass. Like, it's just, it's, it's frustrating. So there was a difference and that's kind of what I wanted to see. What's the difference? You know, when Brissette came in and it was, it was a world of difference. Other side of the ball. Aaron Rodgers is not Aaron Rodgers. We all know that. He's got the ankle, the knee coming off the Achilles, the hamstring. Every play is its own entity is the best way I can put it. There is no energy in that offense. His inability to, He's a, he's a phenomenal passer. He's Aaron Rodgers. We all know that. But his inability to extend plays and to do anything with suddenness is so apparent when you're there live. You know, we decency. So I'm not far away from the field. Like it's so apparent. And you watch all these NFL games and like it just, they are. They're stuck because of it. And the run game doesn't tie to the pass game the way it should. It just, it was frustrating to watch because you got dudes everywhere. It was. I don't know that there's a worse loss in the NFL this year than that, considering all like, this was supposed to be the turnaround. I'm watching the pregame show with Greeny and everyone going through like they can win 8 of their last 10 or whatever it was. And like, I, you know, I love Joe Douglas. I think he's put an unbelievable product in terms of individual talent on the field. The defense is not tackling well. They just seem to lack an edge on that side of the ball while they have a lot of talented players and all that. But, like, I don't know, they just. It's missing and it's frustrating to watch because I know how much has gone into that and I know how much talent is there, but I just. I think offensively they are so limited right now, and the lack of tempo and, like, they're just one play to the next is the best way I can put it. It's its own entity rather than everything being tied together, if that makes any sense.
- [64:35]
Ryan Russillo
It does make sense, and it's a really unique way of describing it. And I would agree. On the roster, you're going to get accused of being a Joe Douglas apologist because you're friends with them. That's fine. But if you go through.
- [64:46]
Todd McShay
Yeah, but I'm also like, Joe. Joe would be pissed at me if I. If I gave him credit where credit wasn't due. I promise you that. There's no denying that the talent is there. There's also no denying what. The hand that ownership has had and why things have gotten to certain ways and because of. Because of it. Let's just leave it that, like, an outsider looking in can tell some of the things. But in terms of drafting and bringing in talent and having, like, securing a roster that's good enough to compete at a very high level, that's been done.
- [65:22]
Ryan Russillo
Here's. Here's what's crazy about this. You look at The jets at 2 and 6, nine games to go. Go through the next nine, there's not a. Hey, that's a win in there based on who they are. Texans at Cardinals. Cardinals. Good luck figuring.
- [65:39]
Todd McShay
We talked about that, remember, in week two, Right. This Cardinal seems good. This is a good squad.
- [65:45]
Ryan Russillo
I don't know if good is the right word. I'm not sure.
- [65:48]
Todd McShay
I don't think.
- [65:49]
Ryan Russillo
I'm not sure.
- [65:49]
Todd McShay
An expectation. I think the Cardinals are better than people think, and I think we're starting to see them. Marvin's getting more involved. Like, I see a natural progression happening, and it's promising, the Marvin stuff.
- [66:05]
Ryan Russillo
There's certain games, I'll admit, too. Like, defensively, like, are there just a bunch of guys out? Like, are they fast? And, like, is there a bunch of Just dudes? And then it's like, yeah, the stats don't say. They're really good. So what. What am I watching? Am I falling for the uniforms? So if you just run through it, I don't want to, like, yeah, go ahead, do this, because, oh, that's a win. That's A loss. The old Francesca bit.
- [66:28]
Todd McShay
Win, win. Granny had no problem doing it on Countdown. Oh, they did it.
- [66:36]
Ryan Russillo
Oh, I didn't even. I didn't.
- [66:38]
Todd McShay
And Rex and Brewski up at the board like it was. It was low. Where's the window?
- [66:43]
Ryan Russillo
Okay, so let's do it this way.
- [66:45]
Todd McShay
They had like eight and two, including yesterday's one. This is a pregame show. I think it was eight and two. Were there nine games left?
- [66:52]
Ryan Russillo
They're two and six. There's nine games left. They had them yesterday.
- [66:56]
Todd McShay
So that was yesterday. Like 11:30 in the morning or 10:30 in the morning before I took off for the stadium. It was. It was 8 and 8 and 2. Down the stretch, Brewski came in and ripped away a few of those W's.
- [67:11]
Ryan Russillo
Well, where's the W? Where is. They will now. They will because it's the NFL. They're going to win a couple of these games. But the last nine games, Texans at Cardinals. We just gave Arizona some love. Colts, Seahawks.
- [67:26]
Todd McShay
Colts.
- [67:26]
Ryan Russillo
Is a win. Dolphins. Are you sure? What a flag goes.
- [67:30]
Todd McShay
I'm not sure about anything, but if you're.
- [67:32]
Ryan Russillo
I want to sure win.
- [67:33]
Todd McShay
Are we doing okay? Sure win. That's what we're doing.
- [67:35]
Ryan Russillo
Okay, so Colts, Seahawks at Dolphins at Jacksonville. Rams. Jacksonville, Dolphins. Okay, so you got them.
- [67:44]
Todd McShay
So they win one or two of the Dolphins.
- [67:47]
Ryan Russillo
So they're going three and 14 this year.
- [67:49]
Todd McShay
No, no, I just gave them two more. So four and 13. I don't. That's not. You're saying sure wins. I would give him three. Yeah, whatever. I hate this game.
- [68:01]
Ryan Russillo
Okay.
- [68:02]
Todd McShay
I think they could win. I think they could win six of the last nine, though. Put that down. Clip that. Jets win six of nine. Still don't get in the playoffs. So why even make this Take Todd.
- [68:15]
Ryan Russillo
No, this is good. We'll cut this out. Let's change the filter on it.
- [68:19]
Todd McShay
Cerudi trashed this segment. Please.
- [68:22]
Ryan Russillo
Great spot to finish. I know you're busy with the new show again. Check out the McShay Show. Please subscribe to it. And especially if you're a college football fan, that Saturday night recap is going to be a lot of fun. So thanks for the time today, man.
- [68:34]
Todd McShay
Thanks, brother.
- [68:40]
Ryan Russillo
You want details?
- [68:41]
Kyle
Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
- [68:45]
Ryan Russillo
What's up?
- [68:47]
Ceruti
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
- [68:50]
Ryan Russillo
I have every toy you can possibly imagine.
- [68:52]
Todd McShay
And best of all, kids, I am liquid.
- [68:55]
Kyle
So now you know what's possible.
- [68:58]
Todd McShay
Let me tell you what's required.
- [68:59]
Ryan Russillo
Life advice. Life advicerrmail.com We've got Kyle, we've got Steve. Oregon is here. So everybody back on the obvious.
- [69:10]
Ceruti
Nice.
- [69:11]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. Everybody just thinks it's Oregon. With that, I was thinking Oregon forever, and now I kind of like it. But I think the headline is that all four of us hung out last week and we didn't.
- [69:22]
Ceruti
Three of us made a real effort to do it. Yeah.
- [69:24]
Ryan Russillo
Oh, wow. Whoa.
- [69:28]
Kyle
I'm going to stand up for him here because I packed my car full of two guys and two golf clubs and two knives and, I mean, I don't know if you know this. You gave me like 12 koozies. Ryan. Shout out to Watertown Whiskey. So it was a big night for me, and so I'm not going to stand for this, Rudy.
- [69:46]
Ryan Russillo
So there was some conversation that I wasn't a great host. Is that what I'm hearing?
- [69:51]
Ceruti
No, no.
- [69:52]
Kyle
Wasn't that.
- [69:52]
Ceruti
You were a great. It just we, you know, we drove. What did it take us Almost an hour, 45 minutes, Kyle, to get a.
- [69:57]
Kyle
Little longer than an hour?
- [69:58]
Ceruti
Yeah, it was a bit of a drive, and then, you know, drive back wasn't too bad. But, you know, we're dedicated. We were dedicated to getting out to Manhattan Beach. We did it, and the place was great. Good to see you happy. We did. But, you know, it was a good amount of effort put for three of us.
- [70:12]
Ryan Russillo
It was a ton of effort, which I was appreciative of. But now I'm sensing a tone here. I'm sensing that maybe I should have had it catered or something. No, no.
- [70:21]
Kyle
We got Jack in the box on the way back, buddy.
- [70:23]
Ceruti
We did. We also had a Coors Light at your place, so that's cool.
- [70:26]
Kyle
Jesus Christ.
- [70:28]
Ryan Russillo
A Coors Light.
- [70:29]
Ceruti
I was gifted a knife that I couldn't bring back on the plane, so I. I think I gave.
- [70:34]
Kyle
Continues.
- [70:35]
Ceruti
I think I gave it to Kyle.
- [70:36]
Kyle
The street continues for your boy.
- [70:38]
Ceruti
Right.
- [70:38]
Ryan Russillo
We're going to give Wargon one of the Benchmade knives. But then he couldn't take it because he had a checked bag or not a checked bag. Carry on as well. So we couldn't have a knife charge on you guys. Okay. All right. So it sounds like no one had a good time. I was.
- [70:54]
Ceruti
I didn't say anyone good time.
- [70:55]
Kyle
I thought your house was incredible. Yeah, I was blown away. The one thing on your wall, a Patriots Chris Long jersey. Thought that was cool.
- [71:04]
Ryan Russillo
They assigned a number one Pats fan. Ryan.
- [71:06]
Kyle
The one thing.
- [71:06]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah.
- [71:07]
Kyle
I saw on the walls, there was that.
- [71:09]
Ceruti
No, Remember, there was the piece of art, too. He was Talking. Remember?
- [71:11]
Kyle
That was leaning, though. I don't. I think that was more leaning than hang out.
- [71:15]
Ceruti
That's fair.
- [71:16]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. It was a piece of art from this New Orleans artist that I've always really.
- [71:22]
Kyle
You were really happy haggling, I think.
- [71:24]
Ryan Russillo
You said you were like, well, I was proud of it. Yeah. I went into the gallery, and the guy was haggling with me, and I tried to leave, and then I felt great about the price that I paid. And then he hit me up a couple months later was like, I can do the bigger one. The same price. Yeah. And I was like, I guess I didn't do that well. But it was my first time buying a nice piece of art, and I had admired it for years on my trips to New Orleans, and I pulled the trigger. But it's not really a central piece. It doesn't time the room together. But, yeah, the guys came over. No one was allowed more than one Coors Light, apparently, because it was a school night and I had to work. I had games on, but Kyle left us some golf clubs. I don't know. Leave it to the floor here. Take it anywhere you want to go. Maybe there's nothing to talk about because it was so forgettable.
- [72:11]
Kyle
Well, it wasn't forgettable. I just thought we were kind of.
- [72:15]
Ryan Russillo
In your look on his face.
- [72:17]
Kyle
I know. I felt like we were in your way a little bit because there were games on NBA's back. You know what I mean? So I just. I didn't know. Like, am I talking too much? Like, what should we. It's like, I see he's reaching for the notepad every once in a while. Like, is there, like, is he going to say when it's time for us? Or we just be proactive and say, like, all right, well, this has been great. Where's the golf clubs? So I really didn't know which way to go, but I don't know. I think it went well. I'm a little surprised this is direction we're taking.
- [72:48]
Ceruti
I didn't say I didn't enjoy my stay. I'm happy I went there. I'm just saying that, you know, it was a bit of a hike for us to get to see Ryan. You know, I flew across the country. I was there for, what, three, four days? And, you know, we put in a good amount of effort. So I. You know, it's good to see you, buddy. That's all I'm saying.
- [73:07]
Ryan Russillo
You know, I could have done more. I could have done more. Now that I think about it, for.
- [73:11]
Kyle
Me, buddy, thank you.
- [73:12]
Ryan Russillo
I hooked Kyle up. I even.
- [73:14]
Ceruti
Yeah, Kyle got two sets of golf clubs. He's living life. I mean, Kyle, would you have gone if it wasn't for the golf thing?
- [73:19]
Kyle
Yes. Let me just say that. Right? Let me just say off the top.
- [73:22]
Ryan Russillo
Yes.
- [73:23]
Kyle
Yes.
- [73:24]
Ryan Russillo
There's. There's some other stuff. We can add some detail, too, because, like, when I threw the clubs in, I didn't realize there was this utility iron that I had custom ordered from Titleist. Still thinking about that interaction, I couldn't find it. And then when I was handing him the bags, I was like, oh, there's that utility iron that I've never used that I couldn't find, and it's brand new. But then I was like, it's in the bag. It's in the bag. So this isn't about guilt. You should be excited. And by the way, I can hit a normal four iron, so I don't need utility. I think I may have put it in that bag because I was like, why did I order a four iron? But I was in a real gear. I'm just trying to put it all together like a mad scientist over here. Be like, which do I need a 58 to be steadier? So anyway, it's just part of being in the golf. I think one of the other observations is that when I got the text from street to be like, where to park. And then you just forget the full Kyle package that you were about to be witness to. Kyle rolls up in a convertible Mustang.
- [74:17]
Ceruti
With a big old dent on the side. Yep. Missing a door handle.
- [74:22]
Ryan Russillo
But the pipes.
- [74:23]
Todd McShay
Are those.
- [74:23]
Ryan Russillo
Are those street legal?
- [74:25]
Kyle
Oh, yeah.
- [74:26]
Ryan Russillo
Okay. Because that thing makes some noise. I mean, and the top was down, and it was. Wasn't that hot out.
- [74:31]
Kyle
No, no.
- [74:32]
Ryan Russillo
Also loved it.
- [74:33]
Kyle
Dropped about 10 degrees the temperature as we got closer to Manhattan beach. And it was like, oh, yeah, I forgot about this. We went top.
- [74:40]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah.
- [74:40]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [74:40]
Ryan Russillo
The big ocean. Every now and then, we'll drop the temperature based on inland numbers, and then we park. Everything's cool. And then Kyle desperately needed a cigarette.
- [74:49]
Kyle
I waited like, an hour before I said a peep.
- [74:52]
Ryan Russillo
No, but I. I think that you felt like you couldn't have asked, like you definitely wanted to smoke a cigarette immediately, and I wouldn't have cared. That's what the smoking pattern was for. And when Kyle was like, where can I smoke? And he's like, I guess I'll just go out front. And the funny part was he came back in, and his arms were covered in shit and not real, like, Some.
- [75:12]
Ceruti
Sort of black chalk.
- [75:13]
Ryan Russillo
He was on the couch and I looked at him, he's like, did. Yeah. Did you just fall down?
- [75:17]
Kyle
No.
- [75:17]
Ryan Russillo
What happened out there?
- [75:18]
Kyle
You know what I was doing? I was leaning on your awesome railing. I. You said you had people come and clean the inside of the house, you know, once every week or so.
- [75:25]
Ryan Russillo
I gotta clean that.
- [75:26]
Kyle
Maybe hit the railing outside.
- [75:27]
Ceruti
Noted.
- [75:27]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, no, you're right. It's on the to do list.
- [75:29]
Kyle
I felt pretty good. I was like, I'm leaning on this incredible house. By the way the house was. Really blew me away. Congratulations to you. But I'm like, you know, cool guy leaning on the railing outside, just smoking my first cigarette in like eight hours. Didn't smoke in the car with Ceruti in Woragon, even though the top was off. I think the ash becomes a wild card. And I didn't get any praise for that, but I just thought that was the right thing to do.
- [75:50]
Ryan Russillo
I'm giving you credit card.
- [75:50]
Ceruti
No, I didn't think about it at the time.
- [75:51]
Ryan Russillo
It's your car top termination for me.
- [75:53]
Ceruti
So I'm proud of you.
- [75:55]
Kyle
Thank you. But then I came back in and you were like, what's on your arms? And I was ready to tell you a scar story. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to tell Ryan. Like, yeah, I've been through some shit here. Look at this one. And then I look and there's black shit all over my arms. And you're like, no, dude, is it on my couch? And I'm like, I don't know. Is it on your couch? Anyway.
- [76:14]
Ryan Russillo
I think Ceruti could tell that because it was OKC in Denver, that I was probably freaking a little bit.
- [76:20]
Kyle
Really locked in.
- [76:22]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. Because I knew I was doing the pod the next morning on that game. So I was like, I bet Ceruti can read right now that he's like. He's starting to rewind plays now. But I was causing the top.
- [76:33]
Kyle
The top TVs pause. Jesus. We should get out of here.
- [76:36]
Ceruti
He also got a phone call from Tommy Alter in the middle of. In the middle of the hang, which there was a lot of stuff going on, but I could tell. I know that you don't, like. I don't want to overstay our welcome. I don't think we did, but I. Because I'm with you. Like, you know, there was. We were just hanging out for a couple hours, had a beer, go home. Like there's really not much else to do. It's not like we were going out that night or doing anything. So I knew, like, hey, like, the clock's kind of ticking. We left at a good ida. I had a 6am flight, so I had to get out of there anyway. Side note about Manhattan beach, not really nice place. I've been there a few times. They don't want anyone visiting there, do they? There's no parking anywhere.
- [77:11]
Ryan Russillo
Like, I.
- [77:12]
Ceruti
It's the most exclusive place that I've ever been to in my life.
- [77:14]
Kyle
There's nowhere to park, even the sides of the roads. It's just like, oh, nope, there's an ADA dip right there. We could just put the ADA dips everywhere. There'll be no parking spots on the street.
- [77:23]
Ceruti
There are just no outdoors.
- [77:24]
Kyle
The most handicap accessible, but no. No parking. Unless you own a house.
- [77:28]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, no one can park here. And I think it's by design.
- [77:33]
Kyle
Yeah, I think you're right.
- [77:34]
Ceruti
I would imagine so. Yeah.
- [77:35]
Ryan Russillo
Because the beach is always. Even on July 4th weekend, where you think a beach is just packed and it's like, you can't.
- [77:41]
Kyle
You have to parachute in.
- [77:42]
Ryan Russillo
You should have seen it when there was outdoor seating during COVID Because then all these restaurants were taking out all of the extra parking in town. And you talk to the restaurant owners and they'd be like, well, this is ridiculous. You know, you're getting rid of. You're like, yeah, no, I know it's better for you, but, man, like, how. Hey, do you want to go get an ice cream cone and be like, well, let's. Let's see what the flights are.
- [78:05]
Ceruti
Classic Brasilo, anti small business, you know, There you go.
- [78:08]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, I know I can't win. I can't win. Even if I say like, well, no, I totally understand your point, but there's nowhere. Like, there was never anywhere to park before any of this stuff happened, by the way. I didn't. I didn't make shirts or go out petition to take out the pride. You know, just for the record, I.
- [78:26]
Ceruti
Will say, too, I did text you a couple times that day, and it did cross my mind, like, do you want us to come? Because I could tell, you know, sometimes like, Ryan, I did. I could tell you did. You definitely did.
- [78:37]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. Come on.
- [78:37]
Ceruti
Okay.
- [78:38]
Todd McShay
That's.
- [78:38]
Ceruti
All right.
- [78:38]
Ryan Russillo
That hurts.
- [78:39]
Ceruti
No, I just don't, you know, I don't know.
- [78:41]
Ryan Russillo
I don't.
- [78:41]
Ceruti
The vibe sometimes it's like, I texted you a couple times and you're like, eta. I'm like, I don't really know. This is going to be a problem because Kyle's got a couple tapings we got to do.
- [78:48]
Ryan Russillo
Bill.
- [78:49]
Ceruti
Like I don't have a hard time, but I'm. I wasn't. I wasn't 100% sure. I didn't want to. We didn't want to wear it. Our welcome. But I'm glad. I'm glad I went. Glad we went. You got to see War Gone. Was that the first time you met War Gone? No, actually, it was a live show. That's right. So Wargon got to come along.
- [79:02]
Ryan Russillo
Oregon, I saw you at ESPN at some point, didn't I?
- [79:05]
Todd McShay
I never worked for espn.
- [79:09]
Ryan Russillo
You've never worked at espn? No. Let's go.
- [79:15]
Kyle
Don't take that out either, man.
- [79:17]
Ryan Russillo
No, I never. Once I was happy. I was happy to leave it in. Yeah, no, I remember. So wait, the first time we met in person was the live show in Philly?
- [79:28]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
- [79:28]
Ceruti
That was the first time.
- [79:29]
Ryan Russillo
I feel like I know you so well. It's crazy. Wargon, any impressions? Anything you feel like you needed to add?
- [79:35]
Todd McShay
No, I had a great time.
- [79:36]
Ceruti
I wasn't picking up on the weird.
- [79:37]
Todd McShay
Feelings that these guys were having.
- [79:39]
Kyle
A lot of weird feelings.
- [79:40]
Ceruti
There were a lot of weird feelings. Yeah, I would. Yeah.
- [79:42]
Ryan Russillo
I got to work on my hosting skills. That's all right. It sounds like it's all right.
- [79:47]
Ceruti
Nice place, though.
- [79:48]
Kyle
Hot tub and cold tub. I'll just leave it there. Come on. Never seen that before.
- [79:52]
Ryan Russillo
Use them both a lot.
- [79:54]
Kyle
Yeah, I can tell.
- [79:55]
Ceruti
I hope so.
- [79:56]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, I mean, especially this week back has been fucked up for seven straight days. Really excited about it. Okay, let's read emails because this seemed to go a little bit longer than I thought, but I felt like we had a. We had to take on some reference or get some reference to that night. Okay, let's see. Blacked out. Mistake. Oh, real quick. 29, 62, 200 pounds. Nice NBA comp. Gordon Hayward. Playmaking slash or streaky shooter? Gym stats don't exist because I only lift to stay in shape and keep the joints flexible. Huh. Okay. Pretty. Pretty pragmatic guy. So the reason I'm emailing, I recently got blackout drunk at a party and ended up kissing my friend's girlfriend. I don't even remember doing it. I had to be told the next day what happened. For context, I'm not attracted to her like that. And I've never had any thoughts of doing something like that. But my blackout personality is very lovely with everyone. And I've been known to step across the line when I've been that drunk. I know it's a dick move and I've Most likely lost a friend from this, which I will eventually come to terms with. But I would like to reach out and apologize to him and just want to get Yalls opinion opinions on the best route to go about that. Thanks, fellas. Love the pod.
- [81:03]
Kyle
Would have been so much better if you just cursed her out. I'm sorry, man.
- [81:06]
Ryan Russillo
This sucks.
- [81:08]
Kyle
If you just said something. Always been holding in, that would have been so much better than what actually happened.
- [81:13]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [81:14]
Ryan Russillo
So you're saying the apology tour is a little easier on just an aggressive.
- [81:17]
Kyle
Verbal outburst than how long have you been plotting this? You know what I mean?
- [81:22]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah.
- [81:22]
Kyle
Because, you know, it's the classic drunk word, sober thoughts thing, and it's like, wow, you took it a little step further. And actions. So I don't know.
- [81:29]
Ryan Russillo
He got. It really depends on who the other guy is. Like, what's his temperament? What's his deal? You know, 29, probably still. You know, like, sometimes when you're really young and this happens, do you just think you have to, like, hate everybody and be super mad and then it's kind of like, all right, you know who else was at the party? How come you didn't say anything? I'm gonna dump her. And then I'm never going to talk to you. And then seven dudes that were there, like, it's like, cool. You'll be sitting by yourself. Awesome. Great job. You know, it's hard to live that way. Very hard to live that way. So Armageddon moves aren't always the move. At 29, you're not gonna be around each other as much, you know, and it sounds like you're obviously bummed out. It's probably not been a great few days from that. But it really depends on what his temperament is. He's most likely unapproachable at this point. So everything that you're trying to do now because you care and you want to tell him what it's probably, you're in the hot zone right now. So I don't really think.
- [82:26]
Kyle
Yeah, the less you're heard from for the immediate future, the better, probably.
- [82:30]
Ryan Russillo
There's not like you're gonna have to. The timeline really is gonna depend more on who he is and how he's wired and how he feels about you. You also should probably, like, run it back in your head and be like, how important of a friend am I to him? Because especially when you're younger, you know, like the guy that has the ski house, that guy seems to make out with a lot of people's girlfriends. And then Dudes are still friends with him because he's got a fucking place in Breckenridge.
- [82:55]
Ceruti
You bring it to the table.
- [82:56]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, Right. So where are you in this dynamic of if you still want to be friends with him, do you have anything of value that would make him want to continue to be? Like, man, the guy gets great Bulls tickets. Right? So I think you need to reach out to a neutral party.
- [83:14]
Kyle
We'll start with her. Right? Did he mention that he, like, she's the one that got, like. I don't know if assaulted is the wor word here, but if you had a good lawyer, you could make the case, right?
- [83:22]
Ryan Russillo
Well, wait a minute.
- [83:23]
Kyle
I'm joking about. I'm not really saying that, but I just mean, like, have you. Like, you're all worried about him? Like, are you even on the record yet as saying, like, hey, my bad for kissing you in front of everyone? You probably weren't expecting that, Right?
- [83:34]
Ryan Russillo
But by saying it that way, it makes it seem like we're oblivious to that part of the deal. Like, she. The Ray. I read the email is they made out. Like, mutually made out. Exactly. So I'm not even thinking any of that stuff. But as far as, like, the friend part of it, I think you reach out to the neutral party buddy that sells your side of the story a little bit. But I would give it a couple weeks at least. All right. But you don't want it to go so long that then it's later on. It's like. And you never even said anything. Right, Right. So eventually you are going to have to apologize straight up to him if you care about the friendship. And at 29, who knows? You know, maybe a year from now it works out because of the steps that you took now. But none of those steps are probably going to pay off immediately at all. And, yeah, if I still really, really liked my girlfriend, it was like, somebody that was serious about. And I know that you were. I probably would have a hard time being friends with you again.
- [84:34]
Kyle
Walking out of a room when, you know, all three of us threw it together, it's just weird. Just weird thoughts now. I don't know. I think it's like. I think it's good.
- [84:41]
Ryan Russillo
What did you just try there?
- [84:43]
Kyle
Like, oh, I'll go get us. I'll go get us some beers. When you're walking, it's like, oh, they're in the room together. I better hurry up and get to the fridge and back. Still don't get it. It's not laying it down clear enough.
- [84:54]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, maybe it's, well, like, if we.
- [84:56]
Kyle
All go back to being friends and now you're walking out of the room to go do something and you're like.
- [85:01]
Ryan Russillo
No, I got it.
- [85:02]
Kyle
All right.
- [85:02]
Ryan Russillo
Sorry.
- [85:02]
Kyle
Kind of killed it. I had explained it three times anyway.
- [85:05]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, no, you explained it fine. I thought there was, like, another layer that you were adding, and that's. That's. That's my fault. All right. There was a follow up to the bench seating. People are sending me links to the new scout. I actually already saw it. It's not available until 2027, and I probably wouldn't buy that one anyway. I did when I first moved to Manhattan beach was like, maybe I'll get one of those refurbished old tacos. Yeah. And then it was like, maybe you do something different than nobody else is doing. Get an old international scout. And that went away quick. Kind of, I'm gonna park that thing. Nowhere to park it with the lift. Because then I looked at one, I was like, I can't. I can't fit in my garage. And the guy was like, well, I can lower it, because the whole point of having it is to not have it lowered.
- [85:54]
Kyle
Don't you dare, dude.
- [85:56]
Ryan Russillo
There was also a little golf cart window where I think I called and got an estimate on the golf cart.
- [86:01]
Kyle
That sounds awesome.
- [86:03]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. But I don't think it would be.
- [86:05]
Ceruti
Is Manhattan Beach a golf cart town?
- [86:07]
Ryan Russillo
A little bit, but then you get to park those, too. And it's not like there's a million golf cart spots. I just feel like it'd be a little different. I know some people love them. I think if you have kids and you don't live within walking distance of the beach and you want to load up the golf cart with some stuff and then just go down to the beach, like, it's probably the move, but for me, I don't know. I don't. All I could imagine is that guys would be like, well, I would never drive home, put it in a golf cart. Yeah, well, yeah, like, I think you.
- [86:35]
Ceruti
Start taking some license, dude.
- [86:38]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, right. Does it.
- [86:39]
Kyle
No, you're right, it does.
- [86:40]
Ryan Russillo
No, you're right.
- [86:41]
Ceruti
Definitely does.
- [86:42]
Kyle
You're right.
- [86:42]
Ryan Russillo
You're right. No, he does.
- [86:44]
Ceruti
I remember we were in Charleston, South Carolina, for a bachelor party, and one of all my buddies wanted to. To rent one out. And they made it a point to be like, this is not just like a hey, I could skate vibe, because I'm technically not driving a car. It's like, dude, they will pull. If anything, they're going to pull they're more likely to pull you over.
- [87:00]
Kyle
Yeah. You stand out like a sore thumb.
- [87:02]
Ryan Russillo
Yep, exactly. Exactly. So anyway, so off of that, somebody wanted to. I'm going to share this with you guys because I think it's kind of funny because this guy nailed this like, as if he was reading my mind. Six foot six, 230. Also handsome.
- [87:17]
Kyle
Six, six, two, 30. God damn.
- [87:20]
Ryan Russillo
We got some good looking tall guys that listen to the show just fit from a lifetime of working around in the woods of northern Vermont. Running a sugar bush pickup comp is a poor man's hashim th never played growing up, but I looked the part until I get on the court. Not writing with a question, just a bit of feedback. I was riding home from Newport in my own pickup. I was actually in derby as life advice came in. This guy's nailing places that I spent a lot of time in. Just south of Derby line, apparently as I listened to Ryan talk about Milton style back in his Burlington days when he got to the part where he'd pick up his girl shirtless, arm around her and go get some awkwardly long paws soft serve, I burst out laughing and rewound three or four times and listen to him code switching in real time. I don't. There's so many terms now with the code switching or whatever. I'm like, what are they talking about? But now I think I actually understand what that means. He nailed it. Because I was going to say what soft serve is called in Vermont and they're called creamies, but I knew if I said that.
- [88:18]
Kyle
Oh, okay.
- [88:18]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, right.
- [88:19]
Ceruti
I love that.
- [88:20]
Ryan Russillo
Yep. Don't love it. Nobody does. So he caught me in real time. He said creamies. They're called creamies. I can see why a major podcast host would want to say that. He and his hot girl got creamies together.
- [88:34]
Kyle
Long johns.
- [88:35]
Ryan Russillo
It'd be a lot cooler if you did. You know what? You're right because I almost said, yeah, we'd stop it because then I was going to have to explain it and then I'd have to be. And the weird thing is I'm not from Vermont, but they claim me and obviously there's a lot of family history on one side of the family there, but I don't want to be using the term creamy regularly. And I think everybody can understand that.
- [88:58]
Kyle
That's fair. Totally understood.
- [89:00]
Ryan Russillo
Get what you're talking about. Let's get to a guy who's bummed out. All right. 39 gym stats 58230 after losing 15 pounds trying to get my healthy weight at 215. Yes. I was a linebacker in high school and college. Nice dude. Some London Fletcher vibes here. Player comp. Gary Payton, senior. Great at defense. Can score buckets when you need me to. So I've been in the restaurant business for 20 years. Very good at what I do. About three years ago I landed the dream job of running a restaurant group in town that Loki that included a distillery. Liquor, beer and wine is a passion of mine, not just a drink part. Boss made huge salary promises as long as I put in the time and effort, helped get everything in line and helped launch a new restaurant with everything that comes with that. Insane hours, no extra pay, almost getting divorced, mental health, physical issues. Seeing the gold at the end of the rainbow. After all that, about six months ago I had the rug pulled out on me and was let go for someone cheaper. Once I put all the systems in place, hired and trained everyone to make them successful and work my fingers to the bone, they didn't want to pay me what they promised. Dejected and needing to pay bills, I took a job as an assistant manager of a restaurant. I'm looking back now, I realize that success in this business is nearly impossible. There's always someone younger and cheaper. Once you fix the issues, they will bring that person in it to maintain. I've taken my expertise and started a small consulting side hustle. Three clients last year for great money. But it's going to take some time to get this off the ground. I'm looking for a fresh start. No degree and considering any field that will let me have some sort of work life balance and will get me to my financial goals. But starting fresh at basically 40. Also open to going back to school for the right career. Any advice would be welcome. Love the show. Okay, yeah, I mean that sucks. I don't know the business that well at all really. I mean all the stuff that I did back in the day, I was so young, it doesn't really matter. But I will tell you, it feels like the empty promise thing is pretty universal. And when you, when you go into things like hey, all this stuff is going to work out and you're just like getting. I do think some places are just like cool. This idiot is just going to give us everything he has and we have no intention of ever rewarding all that stuff. You know, just this carrot, this carrot that management will dangle in front of you all the time. And I'm not saying like hey, accept it so that you're less disappointed, but it's something that you have to have happen to you enough to then have your defenses up. And then it's funny because then people would be like, oh, you know, this guy's like a little, little like, like on edge about what could potentially happen. It's like, okay, yeah, but you're just, all of us are again the results of our experiences. So you're still young enough. And it sounds like the goal should be for you to try to get into some kind of ownership thing so this doesn't happen to you. But I don't know your financial situation. You know, most people, it's, it's a huge ass to be able to do something like that. And the fact that so many of these places don't work out doesn't feel like a great option to suggest to you. But it sounds like you need to try to find a way to be more in control of what's going on. And this consulting thing, like, yeah, guess what? Overnight it's not a raging success that gives you all this financial freedom that you have. But is there a like a map here? Is there a roadmap of like half by 45 in five years if I can do all of these different things that this thing can take off and then you're going to have that freedom and you're not going to have somebody that's going to want to replace you because it's your thing. So it's not ownership of a restaurant owner or a bar in this case, it's ownership of the thing that you're still passionate about or you're not susceptible to somebody else pulling the rug from underneath you. I also think that it's worth doing this because I've had to do the self scattering report a few times where now I've had a lot of times in my career where I know I've been fucked with and I'll tell the person you're fucking with me, that doesn't go over well. And I'll look back at certain encounters and I'll think, okay, well you had this here and then like this happened here and then this happened here and then this happened here. And like, look, my run I'm really proud of like every place I've ever worked has always wanted me to stay. I've not worked at one place that didn't want me to stay other than the Sporting News debacle when they resigned me to a contract and then didn't sign it. And then even the Trend Thunder, Trend Thunder wanted me to stay.
- [93:33]
Ceruti
That's right, they were, they actually probably Taken advantage of more than anybody.
- [93:35]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, they love Squeak.
- [93:37]
Ceruti
A couple more years out of this guy.
- [93:39]
Ryan Russillo
Idiot. 200 bucks a week. You're 80, 100 hours a week during the season. No, I. I quit on the day I. As soon as they said, you're not going to be on the air, we're going to bring you back, slowly, retrain you. I was like, I'll never be on the air again. I said, hey, all right, cool. I'm out of here right now. On the spot. Quit. I was like, done. So anyway, the point is, is that, like, whenever I play back, like, oh, the Trenton thunder thing, or, you know, all the stories that the OG listeners already know because they've heard it so many times. Be like, could it be me? Could it. Could it potentially. Let me see here. Could it be me? And you're like, well, Trenton lied about what my salary would be and almost bankrupt me. And they're the ones that put me on the air when I told him I'd never done it before. So whose fault is that? Because I wasn't a play by play prodigy when I was with the Sporting News affiliate and they lied about a contract.
- [94:45]
Kyle
You were pretty good at tarping up the field, though, right? When. When it was raining quick.
- [94:49]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, I was one of the stronger guys on the tarp. But I'll tell you right now, that wind gets a hold of the tarp and you don't have batting gloves on. I can rip a fingernail right off. Because guys, like, grab bat. I'm like, batting gloves to pull tarp. They're like, dude, trust me. Wind gust. And I think they also, because they were trying to, like, still kick me in the dick a little. They were like, when you're on the call and it's a rain delay because your second guy, you have to run. I was like, so when I'm on Play by Play, I have to say into the game, like, hey, looks like it's raining. Gonna pull some.
- [95:15]
Kyle
I'll be right back.
- [95:15]
Ryan Russillo
Brb. No, seriously, like, I had to do that. Although we weren't allowed to say that it was raining because we didn't want to advertise that rain was a possibility to potential customers.
- [95:24]
Kyle
Right?
- [95:24]
Ryan Russillo
So when we were rain delays, we had to say. We had to, like, come up with reasons that it wasn't rain.
- [95:29]
Ceruti
Oh, that stuff actually works.
- [95:31]
Ryan Russillo
Do you think that actually I could do an hour? I. Yeah, I could do.
- [95:33]
Ceruti
I remember in the radio days, like, don't say break. And it's like, okay, like, well, what else? If I'M interested in the show, then I will come back. It's.
- [95:41]
Ryan Russillo
They're.
- [95:41]
Ceruti
I'll stick around. Like it's a.
- [95:42]
Ryan Russillo
It's.
- [95:43]
Ceruti
I don't know. So the break is not why you're right back.
- [95:45]
Kyle
You're assuring us that we'll be right back.
- [95:46]
Ryan Russillo
No, you don't say you're right back because you never go anywhere. That was the cultish approach to it. So like one guy, I think it was Bruce Gilbert, he was leaving right when I was at espn, but he. I don't know if he was the brains behind it all, but it's actually pretty convincing in a room if you think about it. It's like ESPN radio is always there. So we never leave, so we're never coming back. Right. Like that was.
- [96:09]
Kyle
We'll be doing this. Is that what you like? What do you. How do you dance around?
- [96:12]
Ryan Russillo
Up next. Everything was up next. Up next. And it was like teases were the most important thing. Teases were more important in radio than the radio.
- [96:20]
Kyle
The actual radio.
- [96:21]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
- [96:22]
Ryan Russillo
I'm telling you right now, like it's one of the most unbelievable. Like, did you hear anything I said the previous eight minutes? But your tease kind of sucked. Okay, let's work on that. Yeah. What about the eight minutes that the person's listening? Yeah, I wasn't really paying attention, but the tease was tease a little weak. Anyway, the point is you go back and run through your own self scattering report of all your interactions like you need to. When I do it, I'm like, no, it is everybody else's fault, but you need to do some real. It's tough. It's really tough to do it and I have no idea. You just wrote us an email. It was a few sentences. I don't know anything about you, but it may be something that you're not aware of that you're doing that makes the next stop end up with a better ending. Yeah.
- [97:17]
Kyle
I don't think I've met a consultant and I don't know that many, but I haven't met a consultant that it's worked out, you could say it's worked out for that doesn't have a sick gig. It sounds pretty. It sounds pretty awesome in theory. If you can, you know, make all the right choices in that space, it sounds like those guys are having a lot of fun.
- [97:36]
Ryan Russillo
So you're saying the people that you've met in the consulting industry all seem like they're having a good time?
- [97:42]
Kyle
Yeah, I do.
- [97:43]
Ryan Russillo
Okay. Yeah.
- [97:45]
Ceruti
Consultant's also one of those things. Like when you tell people that they're like, oh, that's like kind of mysterious.
- [97:49]
Kyle
What do you mean?
- [97:50]
Ryan Russillo
That means, are you a horror man?
- [97:51]
Kyle
I don't even actually know what that means.
- [97:54]
Ceruti
What do you consult for? It could be anything. Technically. You could call yourself a consultant for anything if you got one.
- [98:00]
Kyle
Joe House, that might be a consultant. I think if anyone's Sure. I don't know if anyone knows what he. I think he might be consulting.
- [98:05]
Ceruti
I think he is, actually.
- [98:06]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, I know.
- [98:08]
Kyle
I mean, I guess I didn't I say.
- [98:10]
Ryan Russillo
Didn't I ask him like once what he. Because I had no idea. Yeah, you're like very rude.
- [98:14]
Kyle
What do you do, man?
- [98:15]
Ryan Russillo
What do you do?
- [98:17]
Ceruti
It was pretty rude. I was there. I knew you weren't trying to be rude, but it was a little rude.
- [98:21]
Kyle
We told the tone said I've always wanted to know this, but the tone also says, like, what could you possibly do? Was together.
- [98:27]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, but I love House.
- [98:29]
Kyle
I know.
- [98:29]
Ryan Russillo
Of course. Ever have been you actually do something.
- [98:33]
Kyle
But that was actually kind of the how it sounded, which was funny. Anyway.
- [98:37]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, I guess I'd never really. I mean, I never asked him, so I could have just done that, but.
- [98:41]
Kyle
Just been on pods with him for years, just never, never even realized you didn't know what he did like in the real world.
- [98:48]
Ryan Russillo
See, there's. There's one question though.
- [98:50]
Kyle
A lot of people.
- [98:51]
Ryan Russillo
But I needed you guys to get me there. Right. You know, so who knows? I actually was. The only non sports job that I've had in my adult life, I mean, other than a couple bartending gigs, was an insurance consultant. Which sounds special, but it sounds like.
- [99:04]
Kyle
It actually wasn't, right.
- [99:06]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, well, it was pretty messed up because state of Vermont was like, you can't be a consultant. You've never worked in health insurance. It'd be nice for you to be a consultant in something that you've worked in. And I was like, I gotta tell you, I think I agree with you guys. Like, I don't know why they gave me the job.
- [99:21]
Kyle
I get myself into a lot of trouble here, I think.
- [99:24]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, it wasn't like I was doing well. Actually, it wasn't my fault because the guys that started the consulting firm gave me the job because I was going to be cheap and I was going to work. And then six months. Yeah, six months in like the state of Vermont. State of Vermont's health board was like, who the is this guy signing off on clients? And they were like, oh, he's our new guy. Like, where did he work. Mvp, health, Blue Cross, Blue Shield. Like, no, what ails you? And that was it. That was the end. That was the end of that. Then they had to, like, buy me out for something. And I remember I got really pissed. I was like, I've been called. I've been going out, boots on the ground, meeting with all these people, and you're gonna give me two grand or something? And they were like, well, you didn't really bring in that much revenue, so we're just paying. I was like, how did you guys not know that I couldn't do this? They're like, we didn't know. I think they sold that company for, like, millions, too. Who knows? Employee number one, golfing three days a week in the consulting business. All right, that was the longest thing ever because we actually had to fill a ton of time because of something else. So I hope you enjoyed it. I don't know. Oregon, do you want to come over next time?
- [100:39]
Todd McShay
Hell, yeah.
- [100:40]
Ceruti
Let's do it.
- [100:42]
Ryan Russillo
Right. We're gonna have to love that from him. Great passion. We'll do it on a non Thunder Nuggets night the night before pod next time. And then, Kyle, you and I can just tank a bunch of beers and see if we can start some shit in some parking lots or something. Sound better?
- [101:00]
Kyle
What parking lot? Am I right, anyway?
- [101:01]
Ryan Russillo
Exactly. Yeah. Here we go. What parking lots? Mulaney. Good job. All right, that is the podcast for today. Check us out on YouTube as well. Ryan Rossillo Podcast. Must be 21 and older. Present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 + and present in D.C. gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit rg-help.com, call 888-78-9-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelp linema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text HOPE NY in New York.