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The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Ranking the Bucks Offseason, LeBron’s Future in LA, and What’s Next for the Nets With Bobby Marks
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Bobby Marks
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Ryan Russillo
We'Re going deep with Bobby Marks. We're going to talk about all the off season stuff that is still worth talking about. Now we're going to talk LeBron also. What's going on? The anatomy of a bad Deal. And then we just keep going and going and going. So it was fun there. And we've got a longer life. Advice for you with Kyle getting ready for a celebration of America's independence. So holiday theme. Have a great holiday, everybody checking out the pod. We'll talk to you again. Normal schedule next week. Tuesday, Thursday. Bobby Marks, NBA Insider from espn, former front office member. Great time to have him on. I thought I'd be able to wait a little bit longer, but we're just not ready to because I want to talk about the off season in a very normal way and then obviously the expertise that you bring into all this stuff. So now that we've had a few days to think about the Milwaukee Pacers decision, we know Turner goes to Milwaukee. The stretch on Dame. The more I thought about it and I opened the show on Tuesday with it, it's like I could make an argument that I don't like it for either side in a way, give me a sense of how desperate the Bucks were to do something like this for Miles Turner.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah, I think it's funny, there's probably like seven different layers. We could look at it, I think from the stretch provision, stretching his number over five years at 22 and a half million. Really that was really their loan option, right? They're like, they basically had the option of running it back with this group that lost in the first round, Lopez and they certainly brought some of these guys back with Gary Trent and Bobby Portis because where they were financially, it was like, right, oh, we just have the non tax mid level exception, right. Like that was it like that's our big, that was our biggest, lone big thing we could go out and use. The stretch provision was really the, their loan get out of jail free card. Right? Like that was it. Like that was the one where if they were going to create cap space and we all, like I would say 99% of the NBA didn't see it coming. Right. Like we just like we're like, oh wait, you know, we, I didn't write about it. We didn't write, you know, because you never think about stretching that amount of money over a period of five years. It's the biggest ever. But yeah, I mean it's, I said this on TV yesterday, like, because I know they're getting, they're getting hammered and stuff reckless. I heard all these different things and I said, well listen, I've been there before. When you have a generational player and I never had a guy like Giannis. When you have a generational player like Giannis and you basically are running out of options in year three, four and five, right? That's going to be your. Someone who takes over your job is mess to clean up. Like you're thinking about right now, man, like we, it should be the norm. Should be. You're operating in a three year window. How you, especially in this day and age, how you do it all. They're operating like day to day, like they're operating like we got to do as much as we can because we've got this guy on our roster to try to build as much of a good team as possible. Now there's the other layer where you can make the argument, okay, we're going to, we, let's, we're going to decide in mid June we're going to use the stretch provision on Damian Litter, who are the other free agents out there that we can maybe use that money on. Whether it be taking 25, $26 million and splitting it up into two guys or three guys and just building it out there. Or is it Turner's your guy and I get it, he's the best center available here. So you can make, you can make that argument too. As far as what you do with that money instead of just spending it all on one person.
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Ryan Russillo
Well, I, I guess there's probably another part where you could say if the cap continues to project a 10% increases and sometimes I think sometimes it'll be estimates where it's like, oh it's only going to be 7, then it's ended up 10. The revenue stuff has been really good and no matter what the BRI is, it's a 10%. You know, it's different than the Durant off season there in 16 where at 10% max, but now at 150 plus million salary cap I could see Horst in the front office going, you know, this is a bit like the NFL cap. Like whenever you see bad cap situations, the NFL, I have almost no sympathy because it's like you get this extra bonus every single year and in this case, if you're talking at like 15 million now, it doesn't mean you're going to have the flexibility to replace Dame at 22 and a half because of the spike. But 22 million in dead cap in three years, you should be able to figure out a way to anticipate that much better than say a cap that was at 112 million five years ago.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah. I mean, and especially because you're cap, you can only cap. The max amount is 15% of the cap. So eventually, like, so they're right at that number this year. That's so eventually two years from now that that percentage of the cap might be like 7% percent. It's going to come down. I just listen, I understand why Milwaukee did it. I hate dead money because it's not a person. You know, you can never trade it. It's going to sit there forever. But as I said, you're thinking about the now as far as. You're just thinking like, I need to. We need to go out and, you know, change this roster up, you know. You know, they brought some of the old back, some of the new, and then you get a guy like Turner. So I get why John and that group wind up doing that.
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Ryan Russillo
What happens? And I don't mean to go back to July of 2013 in your time with the Nets, everybody knows this deal. You and I have talked about it multiple times. But you have Prokorov as an owner who didn't understand it. You have Billy King who's answering to him. You're working in that front office. Can you help those of us that have never had that experience understand the anatomy of what ends up becoming this kind of team altering. And historically it looks, you know, it's, it's an awful deal. But I, I don't know that Milwaukee is going to be. We're going to be sitting here three years from now going like, oh, my God, oh my God. Because we're not talking about draft picks and then guys turning into a future All Stars with Tatum and Brown. But how you get down this path of desperation where maybe everybody in the room is in this discussion is looking at each other going, are we really going to do this?
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Bobby Marks
Yeah. It's almost like you giving me a hundred dollars and you say, like, when do you want to spend it, right? You want to spend it now or you want to spend it in three years from now? Said, well, I'm going to spend 90 right now and it's not a bad investment and I only got 10 bucks left. And then you basically keep on borrowing, right? You keep on borrowing and borrowing and then basically you're running out of options. So it's like similar. So like the Boston trade in 13, it's like, you know, we wanted to spend now, right? Like meaning spending, meaning going for it right then. And then what happens? It creates a snowball effect where. All right, now we only have one first round pick left. Okay, what are we going to use it on? Like, I never told the story, like, like we were close to acquiring Kyle Lowry when Kyle was. I think he was in Memphis or I don't know if he was. I think maybe towards the. When things weren't going well in Toronto and it was like, man, do we really want. We got one draft pick. Like, do we want to go out and spend it on him? But it's.
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Ryan Russillo
It, it.
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Bobby Marks
What happens is it just comes when you make a mistake. It keeps on compounding because you're never going to get out of the hole that you dug yourself in unless, you know, Milwaukee gets good fortune and they go out and, you know, win a championship here. But then the Brooklyn days, what happens is when you have a change of course of direction, like we did. What you did now becomes extremely magnified because like we're going to go in a different direction now, right? Wait a minute, we just traded four first round picks, right? Like, hey, you know, like we just, we just let Pierce go to the Clippers. We're not going to, we're going to trade Garnett for that. He's young, like all these. So if you're going to go all in, you better be all in, but also have the optionality to fix some of your, the problems here. And I, like Mike Dunleavy Jr. Said I was reading a comment from him, he said, like, the worst thing you could be in the NBA is have no options, right? Optionality. Like if you trade all your draft picks and you have nothing left, then you're. And then what will happen is like Phoenix, right? So Phoenix trades all those picks to Brooklyn and for Durant, then they trade for Beal and like, where's the picks? Oh, now we're going to swap, right? It's basically you keep on borrowing against your 401k, right? And the interest rate is keep on going higher and higher. And then when you want to cash out, you basically owe money left. And that's the worst spot to be in when you're trying to build a roster.
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Ryan Russillo
Is that simply because of the unknown here? Because you can even pitch it back to the Milwaukee topic. Everything is about keeping Giannis happy. And it's, I guess a year to year thing. It'd be really nice if like Giannis could say, well, maybe Giannis can't say, like, hey, let's look at where we're at. The trade Deadline. Let's look where we're at 26. If I'm a Bucks fan, I'm absolutely sick of everybody talking about how he's going to be gone all the time. If this were a Yanis short, then people be, you know, you'd be paying the premiums on this for, like, so long. It's like. Or you're even right if he ends up leaving somewhere else. Because you guys in the media have been talking about it for year after year after year, but is there a conversation? And again, it's specific to the personality of the player that is the face of your franchise, but you're like, hey, we can make 25, 26, like, a little bit better. Bring in Turner. Dame wasn't going to play anyway. We're moving him out. We're kind of all in on this stuff. We still have all these picks due. I guess they have one first that they could move. And correct me on that, because I.
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Bobby Marks
Know 31 or 32. Yeah, right.
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Ryan Russillo
So, like, I always think back, and I'm not really ready to ask the question yet, but I think Back to those LeBron years, the first time he was with Cleveland, and, you know, he just is so convinced that keeping ownership in the front office in the dark and not being a good partner, that that's the right way to go. He wants everyone around him to have this anxiety, and he feels as if, like, if they don't have that anxiety, they won't be as motivated to compete. And I think Steph is a perfect example of, you actually don't have to operate that way. And they were doing very incremental deals that cost more and more and put them in an even worse spot. And then in 2010, it's like, all right, well, now that I'm out of here, after they've done the Ben Wallace deal, they've done the Larry Hughes into Zerbiak, into Drew Gooden. You know what I mean? They were just doing whatever they could. They were scrambling. You just wonder if Milwaukee, like, hey, Giannis, here's our first option. We'll be better this year, but if we do that, like, we have even less options. And we're not even. Like, this is the problem with the Turner acquisition. What does that guarantee you? Does it even guarantee you a higher seed than five or six in the East? And it's more open, we understand, because the injuries, but it doesn't really guarantee you anything. And it's a super aggressive thing, and I just wonder if it's. If it's any kind of conversation that could happen. Or if it's the simple case of an athlete being like, just cannot comprehend waiting a year because they're athletes.
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Bobby Marks
Well, I mean, you look at. I mean, I think the odds are out in the east as of today, they're eighth in the Eastern Conference. And this is an Eastern Conference that's supposed to be pretty wide open. Right. I mean, it's, there's a, there's a parody there. And that's, you know, it didn't move the needle. You look at, you mentioned LeBron years, the first go in in Cleveland. Like there's collateral damage when he left, right. Like it took them five years before everything worked out and he had to come back.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah. So was it planning or was it.
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Bobby Marks
So here's my, here's my concern with Milwaukee. If this doesn't work in a year from now, now you got a guy in last year's contract technically, and you're basically sitting on 25 million for it. And I mean, that's playing Monday morning quarterback a little bit. But you're. Whatever you did now, there's collateral damage, right? There's collateral damage as far as what you did this offseason here. And you have a guy next year and you're maybe sitting in the same spot, losing in the first round because there's no guarantee you're going to go any further. So it's, it's in one way you can make the argument that you understand why Milwaukee did it, but on the other end, like, eventually, like there is the collateral damage effect that because of this move.
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Ryan Russillo
Let's talk LeBron. What's actually even possible if he wants to get weird?
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Bobby Marks
Well, I drew the ire of certain people on Monday when I said that there was no market for him. But I, I said it and I, I got aggregated by my own company. So I will. You know, there was a but to it, right? Like, there was like, it was like, the bymark says there's no market for LeBron. But the butt part didn't get at. Didn't get. The video part was there, but the other part. And I. What I wanted to. What I said was, I said there was no market for him, but here's why. Right? Here's why. A has no trade clause. So he dictates the term. He's on the last year of his expiring contract. He makes 53 million. And I talked to teams on Sunday. Did I call 30 or 29 teams? No, but I talked enough that I had enough conviction. And basically it Was, hey, that's bad business, right? Like, why am I trading four guys for a guy that's going to be here for a year? It's bad business. Listen, Cleveland was one of those teams that people were talking about and then we bring in these rules, second apron, and basically trade like $70 million players, right, for, for one, one year of LeBron and everything like that. I think for LeBron, it's interesting because the statement comes out on Sunday. What does it mean? Right? Does he, you know, is he watching, is he watching this roster and is going to ask to be traded? I don't, I don't think so. I mean that's, that's hard to believe. I don't, I mean that might change during the, during the regular season, but if this team struggles and you have a guy on an expiring contract, does he want to be up there where OKC is and maybe Houston and add the pieces? Probably. But here's the problem with that twofold. If LeBron thought that his best option of not winning, of winning a championship was not in LA, and I don't want to speak for his $53 million, he could have just opted out of his contract and go play pick a team where he wanted to go. That's, that's the reality of it. You could have went east and played in New York. They could have kept their roster intact here. So that is the one, you know, option there. Certainly you're hearing like, well, whatever, you know, would the Lakers ever do a buyout if things got. And I'm thinking like, why, you know, like what help does it make it to the Lakers? Like, you don't get, you're not going to be able to go out and get a $30 million replacement him. You're still had the non taxman level exception. And then there's the other part of it where, and I've never really seen this before, is that you have two generational players, one in his prime in Luca and one that is close to retiring in LeBron. And your goal is to build your roster on your younger player. And your, your goal is to have as much flexibility and not mortgage the house in taking back bad contracts and bad short term deals. But then on the other end, you have your other generational player who's in the last year's contract saying, wait a minute, are we not getting better? Right? So it's like a seesaw, right? It's like a balancing act. And that's a tough for Rob Plinka, because when I did the Luca Trade. It was about the future, right? Like it was about the future as far as how we're going to build this roster moving forward.
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Ryan Russillo
I'm with you on the LeBron thing. I mean it's clearly him that keeps getting brought up because the salary that you would have to match to even make it work. It's like, why am I moving multi year assets for a one year deal here? And look at as great as he is, beyond an age that we'd expect to make all NBA to put up the numbers that he puts up. Cleveland's not better with LeBron than they are with their four guys. I, you know, I don't, I don't understand it other than I don't know, I don't know really what the reason would be. And I, I think it's really important to him too to stay in LA for the business opportunities. Clearly that's a big part of all of this stuff and, and you know, some of the stuff that they're trying to do. Would you get weird with the Lakers? Would you get weird with this fan base that already has kind of a weird thing with you anyway because you're not Kobe? I, I don't know if that means all of a sudden like business opportunities aren't there for him, but you know, this is, this is a really passionate place out here about their basketball team.
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Bobby Marks
I saw for me and Wendy went out to, we went out and had like a slice of pizza during our break down downtown and we're sitting there and some random guy comes over and he was like, you want to talk to us and tell us why Kobe was better than LeBron? You know, it was just like, like people are like passionate about certainly the Lakers and that argument and all that stuff. So it's going to be fascinating here because here's the thing and I said this this morning, what happens? Okay, everything's fine. They go out, maybe make another move. You get to training camp and all of a sudden we get to December and they're 500 right now. You got a guy on expiring contract and you're not bringing like now are, do we think about moving him? Would he want to get moved? Like there's all these other, you know, mechanisms as far as, like I'm not, I'm not ready to go there right now as far as, you know, with trades and all that stuff. But it's just like there are a lot of different things as far as what you, you, what you, you have to be prepared for everything. If you're in that Laker front office.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah, I, I think as great as he is, I don't know that it's almost like he doesn't like the quiet. I think he really enjoys the noise. He enjoys speculation. And you think you just want to be kind of at peace at some point. And being at peace doesn't mean that you're not a competitor. Again. I would offer up Steph as an example of, like, you don't have to worry about all this extra with me. You know, if, if we're bad, I'm still, we're all on the same team. If we're good, we're all on the same team. And because there was like no option for any speculation with him, or maybe he wanted a bigger number on a two year deal with them, you know, I don't know if that's something that was going to happen. I guess I'm a little surprised at. It's like, well, hey, this is going to get really weird. It's like, well, based on what? Just pointless speculation because I don't, I don't know what the basketball move is there. I mean, would you agree that LeBron Mitchell and Mobley isn't as good as Mitchell, Garland, Mobley and Allen?
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Bobby Marks
Probably Strews too. You can throw. I mean, like just your role players are also going out and stuff. It's like, you know, I mean, even, you know, like, I don't want to get into hypothetical trades and stuff. Like, you know, listen, you trade them to New York for Towns, for example, right now, you know, Right. Like it's like, you know, it's, you know, can you win? Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, I mean, but it's like, whatever. Like, as I said, I always go back to the statement and everything was, it was, the statement was interesting because it felt like in the past tense, right? Like it was like almost like thanking them, like for thanking them for the last seven or eight years. But it's like it goes back to winning a championship. He wants to be in a position to win a championship. Now you go, unless it's a buyout, anywhere you go is going to be taking important pieces away from that team that gives them the ability to go win a championship.
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Ryan Russillo
There has to be some kind of disconnect. And I don't, you know the Rich Paul quote about, you know, we know they're building for Luca or whatever and you just go, well, all right. But I mean, were you anti the Anthony Davis Luca thing? Because it sure didn't seem like it. So I, I don't know, man, I, I love him as a player. I think there are times where I, I just think he kind of can't help himself. It's like, hey, nobody's really been talking about me. So like this way everybody's going to talk about me.
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Bobby Marks
But you know what? The other thing that's crazy, Ryan, is that it's still a team that won 50 plus games last year and they were the 3 seed and this year they have the 4th best odds to win the Western Conference. Like it wasn't like this was a 20 win team and maybe it was the expectation based on what we saw in post deadline in March and we, you know, it was kind of like a little bit fool's gold. Right. As far as. And then when you get matchups against a team like Minnesota, like, whoa, this team isn't as good as we maybe thought it was going to be. But there are still pieces there as far as for them to be a good team. Are they in OKCS level or maybe Houston or Denver? I. Probably not, I guess, you know, just based off what we see in the off season. But it isn't like he's coming back to a 25 win team. Like that's, that's probably important to, to know.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah. And they've added deandre Ayton, which a lot of people expected based on their need. I've read a few Ayton stories to the Lakers and you get done reading a few paragraphs and you're like, this guy sounds awesome.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah, he's going to, he's going to Springfield.
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Ryan Russillo
Well, who knows. And then you, you have to keep asking yourself the question after you read these summaries of all of his accolades, like why is this guy available on a buyout at 26 years old, 27 later this month. It makes sense for the Lakers. I'm not an Ayton fan, but considering what they have and their options, what they gave up in a Mark Williams deal that was rescinded after the health issues and then they get eight and essentially for just a small investment because he's on a $34 million buyout. And again, I know that's not the total number because it'll be offset. Right. But it makes all the basketball sense to the world. I would say like knowing his rep and what, this is probably dumb for him to pick the Lakers.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah, I mean it's from the Lakers perspective if you probably put eight in as a free, like just as a, like we went into June 30 as a free agent he would probably have been right. You're probably behind Turner, right? I mean it would probably be Turner A and Lopez. You know, that group of guys, you know, Stephen Adams was already off the board. So if you look at it just from that pure lens, then it's a good signing for the Lakers, right? It's, it's a 2 million, a 2 years, 16 million dollar deal with a team, a player option for next year. Like that's a low cost based on deandre Aiden as a player. If he was just a free agent, we'd be like, wow, that's a great value deal. He fills, fills a need and everything like that. I think the, the concern for me would be, you know, why the buy. You know, certainly the buyout in Portland. You know, up and down years since he left Phoenix, right? It's been like not the greatest of two years here is his career, is this going to give him a jolt getting to the Lakers or is his career trajectory going down? Right. It's almost reminds me of like Andre Drummond a little bit, right? Like Andre Drummond was a max guy and now he's basically a minimum guy. Right? Like, because once you keep on going down and he had a good, he got a good year in Chicago a few years ago. But it kind of reminds me a little bit of the trajectory of Drummond.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah, I have no. I mean this is a home run for the Lakers. Considering options, considering need. I mean, it's a team that couldn't put a center out on the floor against Minnesota of all teams because they couldn't play Jackson Hayes. And I think Lakers fans are probably going to be a little too hyped about it. And sure, look, he's probably going to have like a really good game. He'll probably have 20 and 14 in a game early and then everybody will get really, really excited. But I don't know, I would, I would suggest there's a lot of evidence in his stops that he does not have the personality that will match what is going to be asked of him. But we'll see.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah, you know, the biggest concern for me with the Lakers is. And we were, I was doing the touchscreen yesterday on tv, we're doing a depth chart and it was one of those like moments when like we're about to do and I look at their, their backcourt depth and I was like, whoa. You know, like whoa. And it's Sheikh, Milton, Jordan, Goodwin, Bronny James, Gabe Vinson and Dalton connect. I'm like, man, that's, that's some tough sledding. Right there.
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Ryan Russillo
Jordan's a dog, though. Yeah, that guy got after it in his minutes out there, so we'll see if he improves upon that. There was a pretty interesting recap of the Pelicans deal where the Hawks. It was the assistant GM talking. Well, I guess we should just say on one side's assistant gm, Troy Weaver's GM under Dumars with the Pelicans. And then when you have the main GM in Atlanta, have to call Joe Dumars to make sure this is accurate because they're being offered the unprotected pick in 26. When you read something like that, what do you think of.
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Bobby Marks
You know, it's funny. I talked to a team team exec this week, and they said I wanted to talk to him about it. And he's like, I wonder how many teams actually passed on that deal. You know, like, he's like that. That's the biggest curiosity to me. How many of those teams that were, you know, maybe before them that passed on that deal here? I mean, I look at it in, like, multiple different ways. Probably two lenses. If you told me you walked out of the draft night with Jeremiah Fears and Derek Queen, I would be like, that's a good draft, right? Like, you get a guard, you get a big. You need a big. And stuff like that. But then you tell me like, well, we had to move up 10 spots and potentially give up a lottery pick to do it. I would have said, holy God. And I. I say that in this way. We had a one year. We. We traded, signed and traded Kenyon Martin to Denver. This was 04. We wound up getting, like, three. First one of those. First was an unprotected first from the Clippers, okay? And that was a. Clippers team was like, bad. Like, they were bad. And that pick wound up turning out to be like the 25th pick in a draft because the Clippers actually had a good year. They had a good year two years later, right? You never know. But here's why I think there's so much scrutiny on it is because of circumstances. New Orleans plays in the Western Conference, okay. Can you make a guarantee they're a top eight team in the Western Conference? I can't. Milwaukee is the other part of the, of the. Of the pick. Can you guarantee that there's not going to be dysfunction there this year and that, you know, they'll make. They'll make the playoffs and that's fine, but then what? Guess what? We're going to wind up getting that Pelicans picked back. It's not the. It's not the least favorable, it's the most favorable that you're getting here. And I think that's why there's so much scrutiny as far as what was. What was given up. So that's, that is a high risk move, man. Like, that is to move up 10 spots to do that. And, and it's not, it's not the, you know, I heard bills, you know, comments and stuff like that. Like, Bill, it's. It's not the me, us, media, like, crushing New Orleans. Ryan, you talk to teams, you talk to teams. Like that was the comment. Like I had text during that night where I'm on live TV and it's like, GMs text me, like, WTF? You know, like, what is going, you know, like. Like it wasn't, you know, we're not making all this stuff up. That is the perception of teams. Like, what are they doing, man? And what happens is. And I go back to my days in Brooklyn, in New Jersey, when you think the roster is better than what it is, you think you can make those trades because you're like, oh, yeah, we're going to win 45 games next year. And then when you're at the. You're in February, you're like, you're 18 and 32, you're like, holy crap, what the hell did we just do? So that is kind of like. And it's interesting because it's not like Joe had been there. Joe Dumars has just come into this group, right? He doesn't really know what you know. He can watch them on film, but he doesn't know until you put them on the court and you get Jordan Poole in that trade with Sadiq Bay. Like, you don't know when Dejounte Murray's come back, you're gonna trust. You're going to trust Zion Williamson, a guy who's played 40% of his game since he's come into the league, that you're going to be a playoff team next year. Man, that is a huge, huge gamble.
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Ryan Russillo
I just don't understand why they kept moving back, how it went from protected versions of it to unprotected. I mean, granted, they didn't care that you could say, technically the pick was getting worse as each pick goes off the board. Because for them, it was only about Queen. So. So as long as Queen is still on it, they're still looking at it as the same incoming transaction. But I would have been. Salah is the GM now. Like, I would have been nervous to call The Pelicans again, to be like, are you really doing this?
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Bobby Marks
Oh, I know. I had to. I had not anyone involved with the trade, but I texted a buddy of mine, worked for a team, and I go, can you just text me what the language they're going to use in that just to make sure I'm good, right? Like, I'm like, what do you think the land. Like, no, this is what it's going to be. I'm like, holy guy. And I think what happens to the night of the draft and when you have deadlines, like when you have like they're on the clock, right? Yeah, you're on. It's almost. Almost like trade deadline, 3 o' clock Eastern, right? Yeah. When you. When there are rookie extension deadline in October, when you are dealing with extensions, it brings out a different level of desperation. Like, it's like. It's like almost like you're playing blackjack and stuff like that, right? And you're like, you keep on losing, you keep on going to the ATM machine and stuff like that. It's like, walk away, man. Like, walk away. You don't have to do it right now. Regroup and then kind of figure it out.
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Ryan Russillo
Do teams call other teams while they're on the clock tactically just to fuck them up and distract them from something that they may want coming from someone else?
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Bobby Marks
So it happens all the time, you know, And I mean, it happens all the time. I mean, listen, we, you know, it would have been interesting. Like we had, you know, Philly was an interesting team for us with at number three. And supposedly the asking price was pretty significant, you know, to move up, to get there, like multiples ones, maybe even three ones. And like, you know, like, come on, right. But it would have been, you know, like, if I was in, if I was at front office, I would have probably called and be like, hey, two ones. You know, just so we like just to kind of like screw up a team and everything like that. Oh, yeah. There's they, you know, teams screw with each other all the time. As far as what? You know, as far as, hey, would you do this? And be like, oh, they get them going and stuff and be like, we had a trade once, funny story with Chicago, and they offered. They had two first round picks in the draft. I think it was the year they picked Luau Dang. And they said, we're going to give you our two. Two for two for two, first or something like that. And it was. We thought it was the second pick in the draft. He said, two first and it was like. It was like the later ones, like, you know, so we're all like, whoa, holy cow. These guys are offers. The second pick in a draft for this future first, whatever. And you get to do the call and be like, no, it's the 21st pick. And, you know, it's like. So, yeah, I think it's.
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Ryan Russillo
It's.
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Bobby Marks
It's. That's why, like, when you go in there, you gotta have a plan, man. And just. You kind of just stick to the plan. Don't deviate when, like, you're. When chaos happens.
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Ryan Russillo
That's great. Yeah. I imagine you have to figure it out on the other side of it, too. It's like, okay, these guys are just wasting our time now. We have three and a half minutes left on the. I mean, granted, you can call before they're actually technically on the clock, but I could see the value in just trying to take up time so they're not talking to somebody else. That might be a little bit more real. I love that old age Brian Colangelo clip that came out. That was a long time ago, and Brian was running the Raptors, and there was a player that was falling, and I can't believe this stuff gets out sometimes. And it's Colangelo calling a. She'd be like, hey, do you have, like, a report? Like, what's going on with him? And he's like, I'm not telling you. Brian's like, what do you mean, Danny? Like, you're not. He's like, I'm not telling you. Not telling you. Do you remember this?
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Bobby Marks
Yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah, I do. I mean, listen, it's. I think nowadays there's more information out there for. For. For teams. The interesting thing was when players wouldn't go to Chicago and you never had their medical.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah, right. I mean, that wasn't that long ago.
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Bobby Marks
I remember we were on TV, I think Jaren Jackson Jr. S year, like, he wouldn't go to Memphis and visit, or so I don't know. There's something where he wouldn't visit somewhere. And the question was, like, would you draft a player if he didn't have his medicals? And I was like, oof, yes, that's a risk. You know, nowadays everything is available. But yeah, the information gathering, it's. You know, it's interesting. As far as what teams willing to share. I mean, I wouldn't want to share anything. Like, why, What's. What is the benefit of us sharing information that, you know, that another team doesn't have?
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Ryan Russillo
Well, I Guess you could say the Pelicans are shares. They're shares, at least on, you know, because the assistant GM was working with the Pelicans this whole time. So I don't know if that trade happens. I don't know if that happens. If there's not the relationship of the inner workings of Bryson, who is under solid there. Okay, let's talk Nets. We don't need to go through all the five draft picks again. We already covered that in the past week. But, you know, I look at the Terence man deal, it's like, okay, this is what they're doing with their cast space. Like, as we kept playing the game, like Haywood Harden. Well, I don't think the Nets are resigning Harden, even if they loved the guy. And considering, you know, there just wasn't like, hey, could Turner go there? Right? So anybody that was looking for that number north of 20 million and only one team, the oddity of one team having significant cap space. It felt like everybody was right about this and exactly what they're doing, parking bad contracts there, bringing in assets. I'd argue to get off of Michael Porter Jr's next two years, you probably would have had to attach a first just to get off of that deal and then to give up Cam Johnson going the other way. I don't think that's enough. I mean, I granted, It's. It's a 2032 unprotected from Denver. Jokic is 37 at the time. But the more I thought about it, I'm like, I don't know, man. I. This has been a rough week for them. At least our initial reaction to the moves that have been made.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah, I mean, as I said, going into the off season, they control the draft and they controlled free agency. They. They were going to have a big role in it. Regarding the draft and not to get into every pick and stuff. We had a production meeting on Wednesday morning before the draft and I went in there, I think everyone, a couple people almost fell. And I said, hey, we just need to prepare that Brooklyn takes all five first round picks. And they're like, what? Like, I'm like, no, I'm. I'm serious. Like, we need to be like, don't be caught off guard if we get to pick 27. And they're like, is this Brooklyn? I'm like, just be prepared and stuff like that. So it wasn't surprising to me that they did. They, you know, took that approach. I mean, certainly we can talk about who they picked and all that. And it was pretty interesting. But cap space is interesting because there's a lot of different ways you can go about using it. You're. I agree with you on I'm not a huge Porter Jr fan. All.
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Ryan Russillo
I'm not either. That's. That's also.
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Bobby Marks
It's interesting, Ryan. It's like, you know, we live in a world where guys usually get scrutinized when you're on, like, max contracts. And I felt like he's been. He's gotten a pass like, as far as. Because of maybe what. Maybe the success they've had in YIC is basically camouflaged a lot of things for.
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Ryan Russillo
Well, he's the third option. They already have a title. I mean, he's never. He's never even really the two right when. When they're closing, he gets benched. And then it was the shoulder injury, which, you know, did look like it was. It was limiting him somewhat. But, like, I. I don't need to keep going. Everybody's heard it from me already.
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Bobby Marks
I think, like, if I was. If I was, like, for me, like, I would. You're right. I think you had to. You definitely had to attach something to it. But, like, what are you going to do with him? Right? Like, it's. It's like it's hard to flip him again for something because I don't think.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah, that seems to be the rationale around it. Like, hey, a year left, he probably put up some numbers, like, who knows? I mean, because Cam Thomas kind of. But there should be plenty of shots for him. If he could play next to Jokic and Murray, there should be more shots from. With his Nets team. But that's the thing is, like, who's going to like them one. I mean, you know, it's funny too, because we talk about expiring all the time because back when we were younger, it's like expiring, expiring. Hey, when it's 40 million and it's expiring, there aren't a lot of. You should. We should stop emphasizing the expiring as this awesome asset when it's a massive number for what is a guy. I bet you a lot of smart basketball people aren't huge fans of either.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah, I mean, I think. And it certainly, it's. It's like what the system is in. In Brooklyn, as you said, he's going to get a lot of. A lot of shots up and he's probably going to score a lot of points. But you look at kind of the situation that's going on with, like, Camp Thomas right now. Right. Like you would have thought a guy that, you know, I don't know, top 15 in the league in scoring before he got hurt, guy co in and put 30 up and had some really terrific stretches and thought played a better last year. There would have been like some teams waiting, you know, to make it, put an offer sheet or maybe he's sitting there right now, you know, him and the other group of restricted free agents, Kaminga and Giddy and Quentin Grimes and so it's like when you play on a team that's, you know, rebuilding and your numbers are inflated, right? Like I think you had. If you're a team out there for Porter Jr. Next year, you kind of take a pause, right? Is it, is this, you know, what player we ended The Michael Porter Jr. We saw in Brooklyn was averaging 28 points a game and was shooting, you know, whatever, 46 from, from the field. Are we getting the guy in, in, in Denver, who's your third or fourth best option but at a price tag of $40 million plus.
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Ryan Russillo
Do you like the restricted tag? Because it leads to some really hurt feelings.
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Bobby Marks
It really does. I mean, there's like, there's a, there's some gulfs between what teams are offering. It's almost like hockey. I remember when we were merged with the Devils, this was a long time ago. And Lou Lamorell ran, he ran both teams. And I, I went in one day and talked to him about, I wanted to learn about like Arbit, like arbitration hockey arbitration. And he said it's like the most awful thing because you're basically sitting there and telling your player like he sucks, you know, like, you know, it's like, it's like. And then you walk out and you like, you try to be friends again, just lowball them by like $7 million. So it's so hard because here, I mean like restricted free agency because I looked this up the other day. In the last 10 years, there's only been five players that signed qualifying offers. So is this going to be the year we see it? Kaminga And I don't want to say there's no market, but it's really just Brooklyn on an island by himself. And there's the sign. The signing trades are hard too with restricted guys because it has to be a three year contract. So if you're Jonathan Kaminga and you're like some team wants to sign and trade you for three years, 45 million. We have breaking news here or nothing. No, I thought we had shams notification come up. I was like, if you sign up for three. Then he's like, I'm on a bad contract. Right. Like it's so. It's so hard. And the other thing too is if you sign a qo, you, you basically have a de facto no trade clause because of it. You're on a one year contract and if you, if you get, if you approve the traded, you lose your Bird rights to that team and they won't have the ability. So it's like, I don't love it. I mean, I understand protecting the team, but it's almost like you have it almost like the window should expire. Like if you don't have anything done by like mid July, like there has to be a, there has to be a clock for the team also. Like it just can't be like the guy just sitting here being like, well, what do I do? You know, there's no money out there.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah. Especially when there's no money out there. Right now. None of these guys want to sign a qualifying offer because then the team that has the rights is going to go great. I can't believe you did that. Like, there's been times in the past where I've talked to the team that's had the restricted free agent and then, I mean, you're right, it used to happen a little bit more often. It just doesn't happen really at all anymore. But they would be like, we're, we're thrilled because it was a lower deal. Like sometimes you'll want your guy to sign an offer with someone else because it can't be close to the maximum that he can get both length and dollars as the Bird rights team. So there'd be times where somebody would say, I remember. I'm not going to say the, the name. Cause I remember the GM that did it. And the other team was just like, that was the dumbest thing ever. We matched it in two seconds. It was awesome.
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Bobby Marks
Well, I mean, I listen, you go back to the Nets when they signed those guys to this offer sheet, Alan Crab and Otto Porter. And they're like, everyone was like, oh, these guys are the smartest gu. Can you imagine if you got stuck with those contracts? You know, Otto Porter, Max.
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Ryan Russillo
We had a story they matched on Alan Crab.
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Bobby Marks
They did all, all those guys. All those guys we had. It's a funny story for you.
- [41:10]
Ryan Russillo
I never forget Alan Crab because I mean that's like the all time peak excess.
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Bobby Marks
We had a, the 2010, the year that all that money was the cap space. LeBron. The LeBron free agency year. We had all this money, and we couldn't sign any guys. And so we're trying to figure out, like, what do we do with this money and stuff? So we wind up giving Travis. Not Travis. We did sign Travis out. Tyrus Thomas, another quality wing. We signed.
- [41:39]
Ryan Russillo
We could do a lot of things. Bobby. I'm just saying, if you played a different system.
- [41:44]
Bobby Marks
We agreed on a four year, $32 million contract, which 8 million a year in 2010 was like in the mid-20s nowadays. Right. And we went to lunch. Rod Thorne and I went to lunch. And I remember sitting in the car with him. I'm like, God, Rod, I hope they match this offer sheet. Like, I like. I like. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, God, I don't know. I don't feel good about this one. Right. So we go, we get back to the office, and Brian Elphis's agent calls and he goes, hey, got bad news for you. I'm like, what? He goes, charlotte's gonna match. Michael's gonna match that offer sheet and stuff. I'm like, oh, my God. Thank God. It's like. But that's the. That's the downsides. If you want to come in and put an offer sheet on it on a. Just to screw around teams is if a team doesn't match, you're like, oh, my God, we're stuck with this contract.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah. There was two teams that felt like they were going back and forth on just messing with each other. You. You could probably remember. I'm not going to say that, but it just felt like they were just. There was one offer sheet signed, and then they were. The other team was so mad about it, which I didn't really understand why they were so mad, because it was. Whatever. And then it just. There was a cycle where it felt like these two teams were just going at it with each other when they didn't even want the other guy.
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Bobby Marks
The crazy thing dating back offer sheets, you has to. You used to have to hand deliver them in person.
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Ryan Russillo
Like being served.
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Bobby Marks
Yes. So two stories for this week before this was in 2011, I think, week before Christmas. I'm sitting in my office. This is Presti. I'm sitting in my office and knocking door. Mr. Marks, I'm John Smith from the Oklahoma City Thunder. Here's a offer sheet for Naina Christic. And I was like, jesus, God. Right?
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Ryan Russillo
So that you stretch five.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah. You had to come and do. I had it. When we signed Tom McCullough in 2001 to an offer sheet, I took the train down to Philly, knocked on Billy King's door. He goes, yeah, hey, how you doing? I'm like, here you go. You've been served. You know, here's your. Here's your offer sheet. And got on the train and went back home.
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Ryan Russillo
Why?
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Bobby Marks
And then. So. So they.
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Ryan Russillo
And they.
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Bobby Marks
What happened was they changed the rules because I think it was Jeremy Lin, right? So I think. I don't know. Or someone was putting an offer sheet. Like the team would be like hiding, right? Like they. The person who was serving, like, they wouldn't open their door, right? Like you see him out there and like we're not open. Like we don't, you know, like. So you basically would hide from.
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Ryan Russillo
Was Daryl, wasn't it? I doubt Daryl got on the train, but.
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Bobby Marks
And, and so you would hide from. Now it's like digital right now. It's like with like. Like you just can email the person, right? Like that's. That's it. But yeah, it's. It's funny how things have evolved.
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Ryan Russillo
Last thing be all buyout. What do you expect there?
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Bobby Marks
Well, he's got to get a home first, right? You don't do it, it's not going to be the Lillard one. Because here's the thing with Beal, it's Lillard and him is different because Phoenix has already waved and stretched Nassir Little and I think EJ like Liddell or something like that. So they already got like three and a half million on the books. So you can't just wave and stretch Beal without doing a buyout because it would exceed the 15% of the cap, right? So there's going to be a number. I don't know, I mean, is can you get the non tax ML on the market, which is $14 million? I went through the numbers last night. There are not as many teams that have money as you think. And there are teams that have it but are right against the first apron. And that gets triggered if you use it and everything like that. So I would think. I would think that a buyout happens. It's a matter of like, is he. Is he willing to take a little bit less of the 110? You know, would he take, I don't know, 96, 97 from Phoenix if he can get eight or nine from another team? If he loses three or four million dollars? I think that's the biggest question. But I think if. If there is a buyout, as I said, he has to take money off it. He has to take, I think like 12, $13 million. Maybe a little bit more off that. Off that number.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah. So you're saying if you sign the player post buyout, then you're automatically triggering the first apron.
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Bobby Marks
If you are like Miami, for example.
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Ryan Russillo
For Miami.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah. So like Miami, they have most of that. They have most of their, I think they have all their non tax ML, which is $14 million. If you, if you sign Bradley Beal to like a, a one year, $10 million deal because you're spending more than 5.7 of that, you're going to trigger the first apron. And I think they're only like 10 million or $11 million below. So yeah, that's. You guys have to be careful as far as where your numbers, where your number falls. Like the Lakers by signing in Laravia, they basically split up the non tax. They have now triggered the hard cap. First apron. Hard cap.
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Ryan Russillo
Right. Okay. All right. You should do a. Well, I don't want to add more work to your plate.
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Bobby Marks
Well, you know what I was thinking, I got a suggestion for you. I don't know if my bosses here at ESPN would agree with this. I was thinking when you, Bill and Zach do your podcast, you should have like a button you hit when like you're, you're, you're, you're, you don't know, you're not sure about a rule. And my voice appears and it's like, you know, like the man behind the curtain as far as like kind of like diffusing, like. Yeah, when Bill's going, going through these like crazy trades and stuff like that, you know, like you just hit the button and like, you know, it's almost like, like A.I. right, like where my voice would appear. Then we just spit out the information.
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Ryan Russillo
It could be like a video game where you go down to Orlando for EA Sports and you just talk for two straight days with any possibility and then you could just say, hey, that triggers the first apron or no, they can't do that. You can't aggregate salaries. That's dollar for dollar. It's not the 125. So yeah, I look, I'll admit sometimes on the trade stuff with Bill, I feel like it's extra innings and it's a knuckle baller and I'm behind the plate and I'm, I'm like, ah. You know, and then Bobby will send me a text being like, you know, you can't do that. I'm like, I don't really. Zach needs the help. The least I would say of the three of us. So thank you as always for all the work. But I. My suggestion is you should have like, it would be good maybe, you know, you get through the off season, table it until September, October. But just going through the lack of assets, the second apron, teams like the most screwed ranking. You can come up with something nicer for Disney, but just. But no, just like lack of options versus the most options and give us that perspective of like, this is. It's not who's good or who's not. It's just this is how stuck you are and this is how much freedom of movement this team has because of picks, because of cap, because of how they've managed the aprons, all that stuff. Because, like, you dig into the Milwaukee thing and you like, all right, I to your point to start this whole thing an hour ago, like, I understand it, I don't necessarily like it. But now you're just digging, digging and digging.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah, it's almost like, like Denver, I don't think, you know, like Denver's almost like in a similar position, but I think they probably have better players around Jokic with, you know, Murray and Gordon.
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Ryan Russillo
And I love what Denver's done, by the way.
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Bobby Marks
And yeah, so that was, you know, like they were kind of backed in a corner a little bit as far as. Because they were like they were trying to thread the needle with their young kids. Right? Like, we're gonna build our bench with our young kids. And then it was like, oh, like these guys aren't ready yet. And it's like, what's our get out of jail free? We only have one first round pick trade. Right. So we're not going to go out and just wave Michael Porter Jr. And create cap space. Okay. How do we flip him for something else? And then it gives us flexibility to trade for Valentunas, sign Bruce Brown and Tim Hardaway Jr. Like, that's, that's a good way to go about building your roster.
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Ryan Russillo
I love what Denver's done because one, you get off a Porter Jr. Sure, we could talk about an unprotected, but it's not three unprotected. It's not three unprotected.
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Bobby Marks
You know what, what would you rather have Jokic under signing extension this summer for three years or that 2000 or not him not being here and you still have that 2032 first. Who cares?
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Ryan Russillo
No, I, I think the off season's been awesome. And you look at the Cam who I just like as a player. I like him as a person. I like the idea of him coming in and knowing what's needed where Reporter Junior just seemed to be on his own program night in and night out. Bruce Brown, those catches at the free throw line and then rolling. The stuff that we saw him doing with Denver where it's like, hey, guess what? None of this stuff is open anywhere else you're going to. And then Hardaway taking corner threes instead of Westbrook.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah.
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Ryan Russillo
You know, so there's. There's just these. Because I was wondering if they would get stuck enough where they would test the waters on the Murray value around the league, if that was going to be their way to reinvent this around Jokic. You know, I don't know, but I don't think it's. And maybe we end here, because I think this is important. Like, the Sexton deal happens, and I'm thinking, okay, why will you do expiring for expiring and give up the second? Sexton is the better player than Nurkic. It's clear Utah doesn't want to keep a ton of vets on the roster because they still need to be bad next year, and they're going to be, but they don't even want the option of the vets, I think, for Will Hardy. And so then you look at like, okay, well, how does that happen? It's like, you don't think that the front office for Utah had canvassed the entire lead and got a sense of what Colin Sexton's value was, and like, whatever they needed to do, that's what they wanted to do because they wanted one less guard out and one more big in. And it doesn't seem to make a ton of sense in value for value. But I would imagine it's worth reminding all of us that you are constantly canvassing the league to get a sense of the value of your players and even players that you would ever have any interest in wanting to trade. Correct.
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Bobby Marks
All the time. I mean, like, people say that, you know, like, you know, the trade deadline in February, but people. You don't just start calling teams like, that week. Like, there's going to be conversations in summer league next week, you know, about teams and, you know, talking to teams about your players and all that stuff and evaluating and. And that's where, like, that's where everything start. Starts. Right? You have, like, you have, like, a clean slate right now. It's like almost writing a new book. New book or chapter. And it's like, okay, now summer league starts the process, the evaluation process, whether it be your younger players or whether it be your own players on your roster. And that's where you know, the conversations. Like, you could have had a conversation in the night of the draft on something that maybe made sense, but you weren't ready to do it. And that's where it will continue, you know, in. In two weeks from now and everything. But, yeah, you are. You're constantly on the phone, and you're just talking about, you know, guys, hey, would you do this? Would you, you know, what are you thinking about this guy? And it just kind of. You just keep notes, right? Just keep notes, and then you kind of go back to those notes as far as when you're trying to do something.
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Ryan Russillo
I don't want to keep you any longer. This was a lot of fun. Bobby Marks, espn. You can see him all over television. Read him on ESPN.com. make sure you follow him on X as well, to keep us on top of everything that we need to pay attention to. You're the man, dude. Talk to you soon.
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Bobby Marks
Appreciate it. Thank you.
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Ryan Russillo
You want details?
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Kyle
Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
- [53:01]
Ryan Russillo
What's up?
- [53:02]
Kyle
I have a ridiculous house in the south fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required.
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Ryan Russillo
Lifeadvice rrmail.com Hope everybody's getting ready for a big fourth. What do you guys got on deck? You gonna Bill's party?
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Kyle
Yeah. You going?
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Ryan Russillo
I'm not gonna be here.
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Kyle
You're like, but that's crazy because you're kind of right there. No.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah, but I'm not gonna be here.
- [53:31]
Kyle
That's nuts.
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Bobby Marks
All right.
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Kyle
The saga continues. But, yeah, that's gonna be great. Gonna knock off a little early today if we can get all my work done. Play a quick nine the public course here in Hollywood, and I think that's just a great start to the weekend. You know what I was realizing, though? Leafing through the closet a little earlier, I don't really have, like, an American flag theme, anything. You know, I used to have one of those, like, classic old Navy joints, which I think is perfect for Fourth of July. Don't know where that is. I even looked, I think, a little earlier in the year, they're not really making that thing anymore. Like, I think you gotta go, like, secondhand with that. And I just didn't want somebody else's fourth of July shirt. So I'll have to find something that kind of matches the colorways. But I don't have a themed shirt that I was really looking forward to. I don't know how I let that slip through the cracks.
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Ryan Russillo
That shocks me. No theme shirt?
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Kyle
Yeah, I have a couple Tommies, but none of them are like American flag, you know, branded. So I. I don't know. I got to think about this one.
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Ryan Russillo
A little Tommy Hilfiger.
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Kyle
No Bahama.
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Ryan Russillo
How about you? We're gone. We're gonna. Has a much bigger week ahead, so. You're getting married in a week?
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Bobby Marks
Yeah.
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Ryan Russillo
I imagine you'd kind of dial it back. I mean, I'm sure you're proud of the country and it's his independence, but you're about to lose your independence, so, you know, mixed emotions.
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Ceruti
We're going to a friend's apartment. He's got an apartment, like, right on the East River. So we'll go there, maybe see some fire so far.
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Ryan Russillo
Ah.
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Ceruti
Some fireworks. He's got a grill Throw on a sleeveless call today.
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Kyle
Sleeveless.
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Ceruti
I think a sleeveless can take the place of an American flag on Fourth of July.
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Ryan Russillo
You think guns out means, like, it's kind of our military militant background.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah.
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Ryan Russillo
Yeah.
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Kyle
Did you buy it sleeveless, or did you make it slewless?
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Ceruti
Yeah, yeah, I bought them sleeveless.
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Kyle
See, I was hoping you were gonna say it the other way. All right.
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Ceruti
I don't like when, like, the hole is too far down, you know?
- [55:21]
Ryan Russillo
Okay.
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Kyle
No, I hear you. I hear you.
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Ryan Russillo
I don't know.
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Kyle
I just think. Yeah, whatever. It's a preference thing.
- [55:30]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. No, I. I have a Chris Mullen Team USA jersey, but I'm also old, so.
- [55:37]
Kyle
Just wouldn't do that one.
- [55:38]
Ryan Russillo
I don't.
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Ceruti
That'll fly on the fourth.
- [55:40]
Kyle
It would, it would. I just don't think I would.
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Ryan Russillo
Why? What would your hesitation be, Chris?
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Kyle
I wouldn't shoot. I. Yeah, I just. I haven't looked good in a. In a basketball jersey forever, so. And that's what I was still like. Yeah, but you're pretty big fighting weight.
- [55:53]
Ryan Russillo
You're really. You're so big that I think you could just, like. You don't have to be sinewy. You can just be you, man.
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Kyle
Yeah. Something about the way it lies. I just, you know, I'll go football or. Or maybe not at all. So basically, those are the two options.
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Bobby Marks
Yeah.
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Kyle
Baseball jersey is great, but not for the fourth. I don't know. I'm still. I'm looking at it through the lens of my fourth dilemma, so let me just get that out.
- [56:14]
Ryan Russillo
I feel like maybe like a Sack Steering the Show Nordiques jersey or a Dougie Gilmore Maple Leafs, but then that doesn't release. It's like, what are you doing? You know, that's not really American. No.
- [56:24]
Kyle
And who knows the opposite.
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Ryan Russillo
The relations right now, although I feel like they've improved a bit, it just hasn't been that topical, you know. Yeah, you're right. So yeah, I don't know. Headlines same way to our friends up north. Thank you. Okay, let's get to some emails here. I don't really know that this is even a question, but I'm just going to do it because we have further data on it. Am I creepy or just good at geography? 5, 8, 2, 25. Gained £20. Late night eating with two young kids who started doing F45. SCP and Stanford Steve routinely talk about their beach vacations. I happen to live in the same town of Maryland in a much smaller house I went to Maryland, had a lot better GPA than Scott, but likewise my salary is now a lot lower. I also happen to vacation in the same neighborhood as Scott on the Delaware shore. Well, you got that? Yeah. I submit these two text screenshots. The first is a picture of a friend of Scott on the beach. The second is me describing exactly where my friend and Scott were from my home office in Potomac. Happy Fourth of July. Loving Kyle and Wargon. Contributions, Ms. Ceruti. That's good to hear. Don't we all were going to have him on today.
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Ceruti
We tossed it around. Anyone reach out?
- [57:33]
Kyle
This doesn't bode well for Friday feedback.
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Ryan Russillo
But no, that's not very good. Yeah, none of us, none of us reached out to him. We're talking about you buddy though. Have a great weekend. So of course love the pot as well. Thanks for all you do. Go Terps. So here we go. It's a picture of Van Pelt, we think at the beach. His beach chair is facing up the beach ocean behind him, if you can understand what we're saying. So he's facing us.
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Kyle
Is that a power move? What is that?
- [58:02]
Ceruti
Got to think the sun's that way, right?
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Ryan Russillo
I don't know. I mean he's not. He's shirt, he's tarps off in this one. It looks like he's looking at. First I thought he was reading and it's very clear. He's on his phone. He could be somebody could be saying like, hey, how come you guys didn't do twin silos tonight? It's like we actually did in the D block. 1141. He's got sunglasses. He's got one of those nice little wagons for all the toys for his brood. But yeah, I mean, it's just a guy at the beach trying to relax a little bit. And this picture is, like, street level, right at his crotch. And so they text each other and they go, scott Van Pelt, yes or no? Somebody else on the thread says, definitely yes. And then I guess our emailers, like, he's in between these lifeguard stands and whatever. So, look, honestly, you just wanted to send us a picture of Scott at the beach? I sent it to Scott. He's pumped.
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Bobby Marks
What's the question?
- [58:58]
Ryan Russillo
There is not a question.
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Ceruti
Okay, great.
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Kyle
I will say I'm a little jealous. I mean, I'm not. There's a couple things I could be jealous of, but hearing about the beach wagon, my dad would never go for the wagon. He was like, we got a big bucket, and we just had to take take turns carrying the bucket. We're gone. If you're starting a family beach stuff, I'd say go for the wagon. I've never got over just, like, watching everybody with the wagons, and I got this fucking cracked bucket. We can't even put water in it. But it just. It'll hold all the. All the bullshit. So I would just say spring for the wagon.
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Ryan Russillo
I. I think that's a generational thing, to be honest with you, because I think back to some of our beach planning when I was really young, and we could have done a better job, you know, but it was right there.
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Kyle
It was like a pride thing. I don't know. Dad just wasn't. Wasn't gonna be those people.
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Ceruti
We had the rigid, hard plastic wagon, but that. We didn't take that to the beach.
- [59:48]
Kyle
You had, like, a flyer.
- [59:50]
Ceruti
Yeah, exactly.
- [59:51]
Kyle
Nice.
- [59:52]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. People weren't doing that. Manhattan Beach, I swear to God. It's like army, Navy supply stuff. Like. Yeah.
- [59:59]
Kyle
Babies have. Yeah.
- [60:02]
Ryan Russillo
Automated remotes. Nobody even has to pull the thing. It's like air in the tires, and then it takes them out in case they're going a little further along. That is every single activity imaginable perfectly packed in this thing. Yeah. You know, we shipped our stuff to Africa in that campaign. World War II. Those guys could have learned something from parents in Manhattan beach with the way. Because I guess the ramps to get the jeeps off were packed behind the jeeps, so.
- [60:26]
Kyle
Yep. Heard that one.
- [60:27]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. Not great. Not great, guys. But, you know, look. Yeah. So there was no quite. I guess it was just a creepy. It's not a great picture of our guy. He's not psyched. He said. Not flattering as I just sent it to him, but I guess you knew exactly where it was. So. Yeah, we're what, 10 minutes in and haven't said anything really nice other than yeah, okay. Twin bed guy checked in, said, thanks so much for reading the email. I'm gonna opt for the full nice.
- [60:55]
Bobby Marks
Nice.
- [60:56]
Ryan Russillo
War gone. You won.
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Ceruti
It's the middle ground.
- [60:58]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. There are some people that were saying, hey, Murphy bed. Murphy bed. What's wrong with you guys? How can you know? It's like, I've seen pictures. I thought about getting a Murphy bed in a spare bedroom to make that kind of like another viewing space. Yeah, yeah. You know, maybe just put up some katanas or whatever and then it's like.
- [61:18]
Kyle
Murphy that goes into a closet or something. Right. It's not just like, yeah, how do.
- [61:21]
Bobby Marks
You get one on a rental?
- [61:22]
Kyle
Standalone?
- [61:23]
Ryan Russillo
Dude, I don't even think they're real. Okay. James Bond, you only live twice. I think that was a Murphy bed, but, you know, not sure. I don't know. Okay. All right, let's stay in the beach theme dropping. You have a beach house. Without sounding like a rich entitled d bag. Whoa. Six. Six. Well, there you go, dude. You're six. Six. You don't have to worry about anything. 24, former D1, walk on pickup comp. Paolo Banchero. If raised in the Balkans, big body who loves getting downhill and getting teammates involved. This guy might be the first dude who could say Boris DL and it be accurate. I'm checking in because I found myself in a new and slightly uncomfortable situation. The definition of a champagne problem. My parents recently purchased a waterfront beach house as a second home. The house is a testament to their hard work and I'm incredibly proud of them. I've started spending as much time as possible at the house as a surfer. Ah, man. Waking up the waves has been my version of heaven. I just felt his heaven right there as I read that sentence. The new house, however, raises some questions. When a friend or co worker asked me to hang out and why I'm or why I'm working remotely with a new zoom background and I saw, oh, it's because I'm in insert city houses in right now. This inevitably leads to the question of why I'm there and leads to me kind of awkwardly explaining my parents have a house there. I grew up in a wealthy area and work and finance, so it's not unheard of to have a second house. But the beach house location is exclusive and as someone who has been told, I give quote, rich vibes unquote, and already has the factors above work sector, where I grew up working against me. I feel self conscious that people think I'm some daddy's money Nepo baby. I also want people to be my friend. I also want people to be my friend because of my Lego collection and trivia skills, not just because of the house. Okay, any ideas on how to convey this information without feeling awkward? Be great. Thanks for the help. Love the show and Big Daddy Wargon's addition to the life advice. Need more fishing content. Hope to run into Rosillo out in the Owens one of these days. I am planning some sort of fishing excursion. We're not quite sure yet. All right, here's the deal. Here's my advice. It's gonna be real specific. You are 24. Stop worrying about this, okay? This is. I don't know what it is. And we could all sit here. I was thinking, like, a little bit generationally of all these different things. It's like, all right, so our grandfathers, if you're my age, you know, w W I, I parents, male parents, Vietnam concerns, draft. They did the birthday thing. It's like, dude, this is a disaster. And then, you know, my generation honestly had it kind of easy in the sense of, like, the normalcy of, like, do well in high school, probably get into a good college and have a really good chance. Save some money. Down payment. Housing. Housing's fuck. No one can get into school anymore. It's way too expensive because of all the administrative costs that schools have just tacked onto all this bullshit. So, like, there's something about this generation where I do feel like, is there some sort of shift where the challenges are actually tougher? I mean, we could sit in circles and debate this all the time. That was a pretty quick one. There are holes in that. All right. But what I do think is, I don't want to say, like, I think this generation is constantly asking themselves about, like, where they're at, because they're updated on it every 30 fucking minutes, right? Like, I was talking with my college friends about it because we have one who's kind of, like, unhinged politically now, and everybody hates it. And they're telling them, like, this stuff sucks, but everybody still likes the guy, right? And it's too late now. Like, it's. He's grandfathered in. There's nothing we can do. But we were talking and we were like, has anybody. Does anyone ever remember any conversation we ever had in that college? Just sort of post college, you know, weird phase of thinking you're an adult, you're not really an adult, but you know what I'm talking about? Like those early years post college, where you really think you have your figured out and you don't. But do you ever remember getting into an argument about politics with anyone in that age range and then not being friends with them again? Like, never. It never happened. I knew, like, one friend who leaned a certain way, you know, another guy was talking about Newt Gingrich a lot. We sort of would make fun of him. And then I remember him saying something like, he's, well, the guy's only running the fucking country. And we were like, what are you talking about, dude? Like, I'm about to order a sub. We didn't analyze things perpetually. We didn't. It was actually, I think, a nice little break in comparison to what I see today, where you are constantly analyzing, like, where you're at, what that person said, how that makes you feel, and all this different stuff. You are in a great spot, man. All right? And on top of everything else, it's not like you're 24 and killed it in bitcoin. And then you have to explain to all these other people that aren't even close to your level financially, your parents saved and bought a house for you to have this anxiety about. How do I explain it? Here's how you explain it. My parents bought a fucking beach house and I go to it. That's it. There's nothing else. And if that person has some sort of weird issue, like the nepotism thing now, that's like, oh, it's as if. If anyone has any kind of advantage and then becomes successful, then you're supposed to feel guilty about it all the time because you're told to feel guilty about it constantly. Look, there are some paths, I'll admit. I'll be like, that's bullshit. That sort of sucks. But, you know, I just wish this, this younger age group would realize, like, you spend. You seem to spend a lot of time hating success and, and those that obtain success, or I should say attain success, then somehow feel guilty about it, so. And it's not even your house, dude. On top of everything else.
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Kyle
Yeah, I mean, I, I don't even know if I'd go that deep like you. Everyone's got a perspective about who's got more money and, and especially if you're worried about co workers, like, you know, the job could be awesome, dudes will still find something to bitch about. That's just how it works. That's how it's always going to go. And then they, they find people to project their shit on too, if there's nothing great to bitch about. So I think, I think there's no avoiding that at all. Like, you're, you're 24 and like, you know, have. Have a sick zoom background, dude. You got that rich kid stank on you and you're not going to get it off whether it's true or not. But there's, you know, there's going to be certain people that, you know, if you felt the need to explain the actual situation, they'd be like, oh, yeah, that's cool. Your parents got something. And it's, it's not really a reflection on you. I don't think you get everything you ever wanted. You're like a spoiled kid and some people won't. And there's really no way you could change the perspective of that. So it's, it's really. You can't. You got to know what your truth is, man. And it's, it sounds like you're. You're a self aware guy with a little bit of rich kid stank on you. Even if, like, you know, be a.
- [68:11]
Ryan Russillo
Little self, like, be a little less, Less self aware. I think.
- [68:15]
Kyle
Yeah, I think so. I think so.
- [68:17]
Ryan Russillo
Like, I remember the rich kids flying around and I was like, it never dawned on us to hate any of them. I was jealous. I was like, what the fuck do you. What they get to do what?
- [68:32]
Kyle
You know, I was kind of the opposite way. And I wish, wish I maybe hung out with those guys once or twice in Poughkeepsie. I kind of didn't do that, but I was always like, those guys don't even know what the fuck's going on. I'm taking like the bus one year out of high school or whatever to my job. And like, those kids, they don't know what's going on. I would have, would have hung out with those kids, actually. I think if only, if only just I got to know them instead of like just putting that. Like, those guys are different than me. They don't know anything about life. Like, yeah, maybe they do, actually. I think maybe they got one or two things figured out.
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Ceruti
Do you guys think kids are getting, like, bullied less these days and they like, can take less ribbing because of it? Because, like, I grew up with like an in ground pool and like, my one friend has called me rich my entire life and like, yeah, same, I don't care. Like, it doesn't bother me at all. And it's like, I can't imagine that getting under someone's Skin. It's like such a nothing comment. Like your parents bought this house. Go and enjoy. I would be worried about like me and my friends going there and like destroying it one weekend. Like that would be my biggest concern is like, how do I keep getting my parents to invite me back here?
- [69:37]
Ryan Russillo
Be nice to have that many friends.
- [69:41]
Kyle
Pool's a dude magnet. Forget chick magnets. A pool is a dude magnet.
- [69:46]
Ryan Russillo
Kyle, you had an in ground pool. It wasn't. Wasn't sticking out above the surface a little bit?
- [69:51]
Kyle
No, it was not.
- [69:52]
Ceruti
Not even a little bit.
- [69:53]
Kyle
My dad's house. It was an in ground pool. Yeah.
- [69:56]
Ceruti
You were rich, dude.
- [69:57]
Ryan Russillo
Look at this guy.
- [69:58]
Kyle
Yeah.
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Ryan Russillo
Damn. Do you think above ground pools will ever become like the thing?
- [70:07]
Kyle
I don't know what would have to happen, man.
- [70:08]
Ryan Russillo
Right.
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Kyle
I really don't. I don't know what would have to happen.
- [70:11]
Ryan Russillo
Dude.
- [70:11]
Kyle
You get. You just get hurt jumping into an above ground pool. Like you do it long enough, like you're just gonna crash on the side there and hopefully you slide into the pool and not out in the little rocks around the outside. But like it just happens. Dudes like get. You're in the pool a couple times, you're like, I could walk around the edge of this thing. You know, there's only like a quarter deck. The rest is just, it's. I can't see how it would become more appealing. I think there certainly are more above ground pools in America than, you know, below in ground. But I just don't think it'll ever be the. The cool thing.
- [70:43]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, we sure to cover though. Oregon shaking its head big time on the above ground. I just was like, can imagine some Instagram posts of some influencers out of like some compound near Joshua Tree being like, oh, they had this retro pool.
- [70:58]
Ceruti
The vibes of the above ground pool.
- [71:00]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah, the whole pool is just a vibe.
- [71:04]
Kyle
No, I don't. I don't ever see it happening.
- [71:06]
Ryan Russillo
All right, you're probably right. You're probably right. Okay. Seeking your advice on reaching out to the one that got away. 53. No lifting stats due to a bum elbow. NBA comp is either Spurs Walter Berry, the truth, the original truth, or Buck's Frank Burkowski. Hiked in Montana with Frank. Shout out to Frank. Over 30 years ago while in college, for the only time in my life I got, I was gobsmacked for the first time when I saw Met Kate. Names have been changed to protect the innocent. There was some mutual interest. I kind of blew it with her. She was mature and responsible. I was not most of us weren't back then, buddy. I never really got completely over her. But we graduated and moved out of state for a job, and we drifted away. Yeah. I mean, it's 30 years ago, so while still in college, I wrote a poem for Kate, but I never gave it to her. Two things recently. You guys ever write a poem for anybody? No, not a poem.
- [71:58]
Kyle
I did. I didn't have the chops.
- [72:00]
Ryan Russillo
Yeah. Two things recently happened. I found the poem in my stuff, and Kate turned up on social media. No stalking. I swear. She appears to be married with kids. Should I send the poem to her after all this time?
- [72:11]
Kyle
Out of here, man.
- [72:13]
Ryan Russillo
Read that again. Should I send the poem to her after all of this time? I believe that you should share something like this to let the person know how they inspired you. But it would be. But would it be fair to her husband or even to Kate? Thanks. I can confirm there are no red roses or blue violets in the poem.
- [72:29]
Bobby Marks
Yeah, I don't know, man. How do you attach the poem?
- [72:31]
Kyle
Dude, this goes back to the perspective thing we just talked about. You are somebody who's like, maybe been thinking about this girl and not even realizing it, and then you find this poem and she pops up on. None of that stuff happened for her. None of it.
- [72:43]
Ceruti
It's such main character energy where it's like nothing that happens outside of your life matters.
- [72:48]
Kyle
You got no arc here. There's no story arc. You're just gonna be dropping this uncomfortable thing into her constructed life that she has, and it's gonna end with you being like, what's she so upset about? Or what the heck? Or you're blocked, and then you'll feel sick to your stomach. Cause you were like, you know, I mean, it's not necessarily post nut clarity, but whatever that is. When you do the thing you were thinking about and you're like, what the hell? Don't. You can't do this. You cannot do this. I wouldn't do this either. But if you reach out. I wouldn't even bring up the poem, dude. But I wouldn't reach out at all. This is like. This is clearly everything that you're thinking on this side of the line. It's not on that side at all. None of it. She wasn't thinking about you.
- [73:31]
Ryan Russillo
Any of this.
- [73:32]
Kyle
If she's got a family and every. It seems like she has family. This is a no go, man. This is just. You sit with that and you stew a little more.
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Ceruti
Also, you have this nice little moment memory with this girl. The second you reach out. It's ruined.
- [73:47]
Kyle
Yeah. Yes.
- [73:48]
Bobby Marks
Totally ruined.
- [73:49]
Ceruti
Hold on to that.
- [73:50]
Ryan Russillo
What if the guy she's with now is not a poet? Look, I. I mean, I think we're all. Look, my first reaction is, I don't really like this idea. I mean, you don't know. You have no idea, but you're still thinking about her. That's amazing. It doesn't sound like it was, you know, I mean, it was just like a quick kind of college hang. Was it like a couple years? You know.
- [74:23]
Kyle
Then you start getting that Wayne Gretzky quote popping in your head. You're like, you miss all the shots you don't take. And, yeah, you could just totally frame it where it's like, what can I afford not to do this?
- [74:31]
Ryan Russillo
Right? And he's. You're. It's been 30 years, right? So it's. You know, I can imagine, like, there's no regulator whatsoever once you get like, 60 or something. But again, maybe I'm just moving it beyond where somebody's thinking of my age being. Like, that's when you really don't care. So, you know, it's all a moving target, depending on what your age is and the tendency to not want to think that you're in the age where you're starting to lose your mind. But, yeah, I mean, there's something. You know, what I always think is. Is the case, and this is where being older, I do have this perspective is you may miss Kate, right? But you probably really miss who you were when you knew her. And so she reminds you of that time where, again, you didn't have real problems for the most part. At that age, nothing was a major concern. You know, look, after reading that Mark Twain book, we're going to turn on pretty shortly. We just taped it. But like Twain, that book gets really depressing. But I. I don't even know. This is probably a little too much because it's also Mark Twain. But, like, he ends up becoming convinced that, like, there's only happiness as a child. And. And look, he's losing a lot of his family members throughout his. His story. So that would put you kind of in that place. This is too much. And I shouldn't have done this. But we're not editing it out. I have to leave. I just need to get better. So we're leaving it in. I don't. I don't think that that's like. Because there'd be a lot of people going, hey, there's nothing better than watching your child accomplish something like that's a kind of happiness that's completely different than your own selfish happiness of all that time. But I. I do think, because I think I can be guilty of it at times, I'll think back to, like, okay, what was true freedom? What was. You know, the moments where you're not thinking about how every decision impacts where you're going to be in five or 10 years. Like, I like that the stakes are higher now for me with every decision. But at the same time, like, you miss. I think there's a lot of us that really miss who you were when you were younger.
- [76:26]
Kyle
Bliss.
- [76:26]
Ryan Russillo
And.
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Kyle
Yeah.
- [76:27]
Ryan Russillo
And I think it can be a little bit like you have this idea of this person in your head, but that's not who that person is anymore. It's been 30 years. You're not that same person. So you're probably just missing a phase of your life as much as you think you're missing this other person now. Who knows? I mean, maybe she's unhappy and it sparks some sort of conversation, and then you're going to feel, like, alive again in a new way. But I could tell you, if I'm the husband, and Kate's like, hey, this guy, this fling from college, sent me a poem. Thirty years later, I would be like, cool. You know, I. I wouldn't be upset with my wife, but I would just go like, okay, so where's this going? Like, is this a subscription thing? We getting these every. Every month. So you have a substack, so.
- [77:15]
Kyle
Yeah. It's not going to be like, look at that photo. Look how crazy it was. It's like, look at this poem I wrote you. It's just totally different. It's not like a shared memory. It's something she's not unaware of. Right. So I like the way that you broke that down, though. And then instead of. What I said was basically like, don't be insane. I like how you. Let's dive into that a little bit.
- [77:37]
Ryan Russillo
That is something about being older, though, because I had started talking to somebody from. From college a while ago, and it was like, I really, really loved hanging out with this person. And yet it was like, what? Like, this isn't. It was like, hey, what's new with you? I've seen what you've been doing. Hey, how's it going? Oh, you know, whatever.
- [77:59]
Kyle
How long is it before you get to, hey, you heard from Todd.
- [78:04]
Ryan Russillo
Right? No, I mean, you know, it was like, hey, I got divorced and was like, yeah, know. You know, whatever. And then you're just like, yeah, but, dude, I, you know, like. All right, well, you know, after I get done bartending, I'll be over, you know, like, what the. Yeah, like, I have a mortgage now. Okay, sounds good. All right. For those international travelers that may find themselves in any of the islands as a Yukon guy, basketball comp has to be a husky that shoots a lot of threes, so. Rashad Anderson. All right. Love that. Just wanted to pump Ryan's tires on his travel logs. Went to Palmo with a group of friends and made a vandal reservation based on his high praise. This again, maybe the best restaurant I've ever been to in Mallorca. Not just the best restaurant in Mallorca, one of the best restaurants I've ever been to in the world. Was met with a little skepticism when I said this was highly recommended by a sports podcast host.
- [79:06]
Kyle
Maybe it won't be welcome back. Who is the skepticism from the staff or. No re.
- [79:11]
Ryan Russillo
Brought from his party. Traveling party. I believe I could just wear a funny hat and be like, oh, this burger is such a vibe.
- [79:16]
Kyle
Yeah, get some goofy glasses.
- [79:19]
Ryan Russillo
This is the hottest taco in la. That's what people are saying. The. The salsa they bring out is like a vibe. All right. By the end of the year.
- [79:30]
Kyle
Vibe crusade.
- [79:30]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [79:31]
Ryan Russillo
Love it. I know, it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. Wait till you hear my travelogues. I'm gonna impersonate an influencer for like, five straight minutes. And that's just going to be a chapter, but I still don't know where I'm going. By the end of the meal, no one had a word to say. We all agreed with Rosilla was a top five meal that we've ever had. A little Palm of Spain tip for the future as well. Tinto Verano, red wine of the summer is a must get drink.
- [79:55]
Kyle
All right, Kyle, would that be Tinto or Tinto? I don't know.
- [79:58]
Ryan Russillo
Tinto.
- [79:59]
Kyle
Did you even go over there, dude? I mean, what the hell was that?
- [80:03]
Ryan Russillo
It's kind of like when somebody asked me a college football question and I go, dude, what? No, I'm not. I'm not in season right now. So, you know, you just.
- [80:15]
Kyle
You abstain. You don't want to ruin the brand.
- [80:19]
Ryan Russillo
No, I just don't know anything. If I see, I see out of season and somebody's like, who's your favorite backup quarterback? I'm like, you know, you're speaking a foreign language. So, yeah, when I'm not traveling internationally, you know, I murdered that one. Somebody's Spanish is a little bit No, I deserve that. Totally deserve it. How can I call myself a culture guy? Giving out restaurant tips in Mallorca and not knowing. All right, I think we end on that note then. Am I going to be better?
- [80:45]
Kyle
Good by me. Sorry.
- [80:47]
Ryan Russillo
No, no, I need it. I need it too, Kyle. Just because my name's on the marquee doesn't mean I can't get better.
- [80:53]
Kyle
Nice little reminder there.
- [80:54]
Ryan Russillo
All right, yeah, keep that one.
- [80:56]
Kyle
Drill that one in for next week.
- [80:59]
Ryan Russillo
Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to Wargon. Big things coming for our buddy. Thanks to Cerutty for just being in our thoughts and Marcelino for running stuff here on the podcast Ryan R Podcast. Check out our YouTube page. We will have two extra features we think next week. Swear Ryan R Podcast Ringer Spotify they.
- [81:19]
Ceruti
Were going to name me Michael Jordan. My dad was like, I don't think he can live up to it. So they named me Michael.
- [81:24]
Bobby Marks
Jared.
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Ryan Russillo
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